The Future of the Church - Phyllis Tickle, Brian McLaren, David Lose
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ต.ค. 2013
- A conversation with Phyllis Tickle, Brian McLaren, and David Lose recorded Oct. 7, 2013, and hosted by Luther Seminary, St. Paul, Minn., during the Celebration of Biblical Preaching.
So much rich content, but the part that sticks with me is learning to explore the tensions between the stories and to live into that tension as each person discovers meaning for their life. Wonderful stuff!
Labels such as "satanists" are counterproductive at best. Dialogue... always requires listening. Dialogue requires thought in order to intelligently respond. It's always good when, rather than simply agreeing with one another at every step, people can position themselves to be responsible, thoughtful, welcoming toward one another. Jesus was about love.
I think that these folks should be more concerned about giving people, and young people especially, sane, healthy and intelligent ideas that they can live by, and grow spiritually and psychologically with and into,… rather than being so about how many people they can get to show up at any given church building for an hour or two on a given Sunday.
If they have good ideas at least the good people will come, if they have sane ideas at least the sane people will come, if they have intelligent ideas at least the intelligent people will come, if they have considerate and loving ideas (that is love as God meens it) then the loving and considerate people will come. - This then could not just include good, sane, intelligent, considerate and loving people, but also those who truly want to be good, sane, intelligent, considerate and loving people. --- If they don’t come or they don’t stay… at least these preachers and pastors and so forth will have influenced or encouraged them in some small or greater way and will have created good, saner, more intelligent, kinder and more loving people for their towns, county and communities --- and these in addition will be the communities, countries and towns that they themselves are going to be living in.
The original Christian Church, depicted in the Bible, in the earliest days, had no money involved in their/its organization or existence. They also had no hierarchy. They met in someone’s home or in public places, and there was no ordained preacher or clergy that they needed to cow-tow to or support. They were a bunch of people who gathered to share their ideas and insights and their true spirituality. I like a good talk or lecture, but that’s a different thing than a church meeting or gathering where everyone is able to participate and be heard. Perhaps this earliest model of Christianity is what Christianity should be and possibly return to being… and perhaps it is the best way to be and have real and true Christianity.
To me Jesus Christ is the epitome or our evolution, so if I’m not too conventional in my out look, this may be why.
As an answer to Brian’s parishioners question about whether God is up there or all around or inside one’s own self,… I would say both and all three.
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The reason the young do not learn anything in church is simply because the church seldom teaches anything. I was quite involved with church when I was ten to fifteen, and I learned two things : first was how to make a lanyard and a shoe-shine box, and from the many sermons from the preacher twice on Sunday was of Hell, Fire, and Brimstone, and NOTHING about the Love Grace, and Mercy of God..
you are mistaken about the early Christian church......
Cringe factors? Uh, like "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man cometh unto the father, but by me"? Or "All have sinned..."? Or "The wages of sin is death..."? Or preaching about sin?
Too many middle class people in our evangelical churches in England. It’s a problem.
Satanists