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This Australian stands with Israel 🇮🇱 my grandmother woul roll in her grave too ever see any of her grandchildren protesting for islamic terrorist's. I would love more countries too use their protesting for being able to afford homes to eat have water gas and food . The world governments need to know we wont accept terrorism. ❤🇦🇺🇦🇺
Terrific interview with Dr David Hirsh- one of the most courageous and brilliant scholars and academics leading research and writing into contemporary antisemitism in UK and abroad. Professorial in dignity, intellectual ethics and acuity.
It is allowed by government of USA ( worth then it was in USSR).Can you imagine K_k_k on the streets of NYC, chanting for 9 months? I can't , it is our goverment covers up for them, in same way as BLM, no laws for some people, but others would be accused in the "hate"speach
How can they have a national movement if they are not a nation, nor are they Palestinian? They come from Egyptian tribes, Jordanian tribes, etc. not a homogeneous people. They have been kept stateless by their own leaders who want to keep them where they are so that they can fulfill the function of being a permanent thorn in Israel's side.
It hasn’t changed. The only thing that happened is that it became so visible that even journalists, the most out of touch people on this planet, could see it.
I don't think antisemitism is necessarily antidemocratic. Austrian parliament at the end of 19th - early 20th centuries was profoundly antisemitic, and so was a mayor of Vienna, who was reelected many times, and used to say, "I will not allow Vienna to be turned into Jerusalem." In early 20th century Russia too local national assemblies immediately turned antisemitic. Poland was very antisemitic between First and Second World Wars. Etc. Or just look at the governments or parliaments in countries like Australia, Spain, Ireland, Norway, soon to be UK. Followed by Canada and the US. Everyone is turning against Israel and embracing "antizionism" (antisemitism.) Belief that democracy will be on our side is just another Jewish pipedream. We must prepare that Israel will stand alone againts the entire world: totalitarian, authoritarian and democratic. The mask has slipped, but it hasn't fallen off. We are still clinging to a whole bunch of pleasant illusions.
We are becoming immune to the suffering of people ALL PEOPLE by the politics of the US and it's Western allies from Ukraine to Gaza A heartfelt plea for the return of humanity to our politicians and our society from a real human being . The dead children don’t affect me like they used to. The images. The videos. They still disturb and horrify, but not like they did in the beginning. Not anywhere close. And, honestly, I hate it. I hate that that part of me has been stolen. As much as I hated having my heart kicked around all day and having nightmares all night, I’d rather have that than this decreased sensitivity. People should not become desensitized to such horrors. People should not become accustomed to decapitated babies and small, mangled bodies. To corpses run over by tanks. To body parts carried in plastic bags by loved ones. These things should jar you. They should rattle you to your core. But they don’t anymore. Not here. I held onto it for as long as I could. It felt like a solemn duty, to hold on to that part of me that still screamed with an appropriate mixture of grief and outrage at the latest tiny shredded body. But desensitization sets in whether you want it to or not. That’s how they create soldiers, after all. I hate that these pricks have amputated that part of me, and I hate that I know it will never grow back. I have been permanently disfigured inside, mutated by atrocities, all the way down here safe in the Melbourne suburbs. And I hate that this is happening all around the world to everyone else who’s kept their gaze fixed on Gaza. All around the world humanity is being mutated. All around the world something sacred is being stolen from the hearts of good people. All around the world people are finding callouses where there used to be tenderness. And I want my tenderness back, god damn it. I want my tenderness back. Give me back the nightmares. Give me back the tears. Give me back the dry retching over the toilet, and the shaking under the blankets. Give me back the collapsing onto the couch and not moving for several hours until my system can recover from what my eyes just saw. I’ll take it. I’ll take it all back again. Just give me back that soft, tender part of myself that has been withered to dust by a live-streamed genocide. I will take good care of it. I will feed it good things. I’ll give it plenty of sunshine, cupping it delicately in my hands by the window. I will take it for walks, and let it rejoice at the children running and playing, with their parts all together and their insides on the inside. Don’t leave me hardened and darkened like a soldier. Give me back that soft, sacred part of myself that weeps at the corpses of children, so I can behold the world gently again.
You should be addressing this rant to the propagandists who spread such scenes, which could easily be from Syria, and the media which propagate them on your screens to throw blame on the true victims.
G-d gave a portion of the Holy Land to the children of Ishmael. Based on Zohar Shemot 32A ------ [R. Hiyya then says] Woe is to the time that Ishmael was born into the world and was circumcised. What did G‑d do [to appease Ishmael]? He distanced the children of Ishmael from supernal cleaving and gave them [only] a portion below in the Holy Land on account of their circumcision. And in the future, the children of Ishmael are destined to rule over the Holy Land for a long time when it is empty from anything, like their circumcision which is empty and imperfect. And they will prevent the children of Israel from returning to their place until the reward for the merit of the children of Ishmael reaches completion. The children of Ishmael [i.e. the Arab nations] will cause great wars in the world and the children of Edom will gather against them and wage war against them, one on the sea, one on the dry land, and one near Jerusalem. And they [the children of Edom] will rule over them [the children of Ishmael], but the Holy Land will not be given over to the children of Edom. [The children of Edom is the Christian West, for Edom is Rome (see Num. 24:19, Rashi) and Rome signifies Greece-Rome and the Roman Catholic Church, the foundations of Western Civilization] -------------- It had already been prophesied in the Bible that the descendants of Ishmael/Arabs shall administer the Temple Mount/Jerusalem. Isaiah 60:7 "All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory." Kedar is the second son of Ishmael, and founder of the tribe that bore his name (Genesis 25:13). Many Arabs trace their lineage back through Ishmael to Abraham. All the flocks of Kedar - On the word 'Kedar,' see the notes at Isaiah 21:16. The Kedarenians were a wandering tribe that frequently changed their residence, though it is probable they usually dwelt in the south part of Arabia Desert, or the north of Arabia Petraea. They are mentioned as dwelling in beautiful tents Sol 1:5 : 'I am black, but comely as the tents of Kedar,' see Psalm 120:5; compare Isaiah 21:16-17; Isaiah 42:11. The language here also means that that which constituted their principal wealth would come and enrich Jerusalem. The rams of Nebaioth - Nebaioth was also a son of Ishmael Genesis 25:13; 1 Chronicles 1:29, and was the father of the Nabatheans. They were a people of Arabia Petraea, and lived principally by plunder, trade, and the keeping of flocks. The country of Nabathea extended, it is supposed, from the Euphrates to the Red Sea, and embraced Petra, the capital of Arabia Deserts, and also Medaba. It is not possible, however, to fix the exact boundaries of the various tribes of Arabians. The general idea is, that their most valuable possessions would be devoted to God. Dome of the Rock is the Third Temple. There are some interpretations of the Bible that suggest that the construction of the Dome of the Rock is prophesied in the Book of Daniel. Specifically, some people believe that Daniel 12:11 is a prophecy about the building of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." [Daniel 12:11] It is a heresy/unholy to think that Jews shall administer Temple Mount/Jerusalem as it had been clear in the Holy scripture that descendants of Ishmael/Arabs had been ordained by G-d to administer Jerusalem/Temple Mount.
@@8_7478 You can argue till the cow comes home.. the Truth is out there. Jews cannot claim the land of Palestine as their homeland. According to the Orthodox Rabbinout in Israel, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and his 12 sons were not Jewish. Moses is not aware of modern traditions, Moses did not study even a little bit of the Talmud, Moses did not acknowledge or accept rabbinical authority. All that together with his two gentile wives..... Had Israelis been listening or reasoning with the Torah, then Israelis would realised that they are now living in sins like the times of northern and southern kingdoms. Micah lists specific sins of both the northern and southern kingdoms. These sins include idolatry (1:7; 5:12-14); the seizure of property (2:2, 9); the failure of civil leadership (3:1-3, 9-10; 7:3), religious leadership (3:11), and prophetic leadership (3:5-7, 11); offering sacrifice without truly repenting (6:6-7); and corrupt business practices and violence (6:10-12). G-d gave Torah to the Jews.. Being a Jew is a profession. "And you will be my kingdom of priests, my holy nation.’ This is the message you must give to the people of Israel.” Exodus 19:6
Being against zionism since I visited what you call israel in 96, I find it disturbing to listen to talks like this. It must be horrible living with this worldview
All those artefacts, the temple of David and Solomon, archeological evidence as deep as you can dig - all to be found in "so called Israel". What a strange worldview to hold - clearly the Jewish people have no connection to this land.
Being disturbed is healthy if your worldview is challenged. May you continue to experience unease. Perhaps it might spark curiosity in what is upsetting you. Use valid resources as you learn
This Australian stands with Israel 🇮🇱 my grandmother woul roll in her grave too ever see any of her grandchildren protesting for islamic terrorist's. I would love more countries too use their protesting for being able to afford homes to eat have water gas and food . The world governments need to know we wont accept terrorism. ❤🇦🇺🇦🇺
Terrific interview with Dr David Hirsh- one of the most courageous and brilliant scholars and academics leading research and writing into contemporary antisemitism in UK and abroad. Professorial in dignity, intellectual ethics and acuity.
Completely agree with all.
Absolutely top quality discussion. I'm saving it to give to people who need to understand more - thank you again 🙏 🇮🇱 💙
11 minutes into the programme and the title of the book is not mentioned! Why?
It is allowed by government of USA ( worth then it was in USSR).Can you imagine K_k_k on the streets of NYC, chanting for 9 months? I can't , it is our goverment covers up for them, in same way as BLM, no laws for some people, but others would be accused in the "hate"speach
Excellent discussion, thanks David and Jake
How can they have a national movement if they are not a nation, nor are they Palestinian? They come from Egyptian tribes, Jordanian tribes, etc. not a homogeneous people. They have been kept stateless by their own leaders who want to keep them where they are so that they can fulfill the function of being a permanent thorn in Israel's side.
Palestine signed the Geneva convention.
So did Afghanistan so that makes Geneva Convention a bit pointless
It hasn’t changed. The only thing that happened is that it became so visible that even journalists, the most out of touch people on this planet, could see it.
Thank you,
Very interesting🙏
Your friends haven't changed.
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I don't think antisemitism is necessarily antidemocratic. Austrian parliament at the end of 19th - early 20th centuries was profoundly antisemitic, and so was a mayor of Vienna, who was reelected many times, and used to say, "I will not allow Vienna to be turned into Jerusalem." In early 20th century Russia too local national assemblies immediately turned antisemitic. Poland was very antisemitic between First and Second World Wars. Etc.
Or just look at the governments or parliaments in countries like Australia, Spain, Ireland, Norway, soon to be UK. Followed by Canada and the US. Everyone is turning against Israel and embracing "antizionism" (antisemitism.)
Belief that democracy will be on our side is just another Jewish pipedream. We must prepare that Israel will stand alone againts the entire world: totalitarian, authoritarian and democratic.
The mask has slipped, but it hasn't fallen off. We are still clinging to a whole bunch of pleasant illusions.
We are becoming immune to the suffering of people ALL PEOPLE by the politics of the US and it's Western allies from Ukraine to Gaza A heartfelt plea for the return of humanity to our politicians and our society from a real human being .
The dead children don’t affect me like they used to.
The images. The videos. They still disturb and horrify, but not like they did in the beginning. Not anywhere close.
And, honestly, I hate it. I hate that that part of me has been stolen.
As much as I hated having my heart kicked around all day and having nightmares all night, I’d rather have that than this decreased sensitivity.
People should not become desensitized to such horrors. People should not become accustomed to decapitated babies and small, mangled bodies. To corpses run over by tanks. To body parts carried in plastic bags by loved ones.
These things should jar you. They should rattle you to your core. But they don’t anymore. Not here.
I held onto it for as long as I could. It felt like a solemn duty, to hold on to that part of me that still screamed with an appropriate mixture of grief and outrage at the latest tiny shredded body. But desensitization sets in whether you want it to or not. That’s how they create soldiers, after all.
I hate that these pricks have amputated that part of me, and I hate that I know it will never grow back. I have been permanently disfigured inside, mutated by atrocities, all the way down here safe in the Melbourne suburbs.
And I hate that this is happening all around the world to everyone else who’s kept their gaze fixed on Gaza. All around the world humanity is being mutated. All around the world something sacred is being stolen from the hearts of good people. All around the world people are finding callouses where there used to be tenderness.
And I want my tenderness back, god damn it. I want my tenderness back.
Give me back the nightmares. Give me back the tears. Give me back the dry retching over the toilet, and the shaking under the blankets. Give me back the collapsing onto the couch and not moving for several hours until my system can recover from what my eyes just saw.
I’ll take it. I’ll take it all back again. Just give me back that soft, tender part of myself that has been withered to dust by a live-streamed genocide.
I will take good care of it. I will feed it good things. I’ll give it plenty of sunshine, cupping it delicately in my hands by the window. I will take it for walks, and let it rejoice at the children running and playing, with their parts all together and their insides on the inside.
Don’t leave me hardened and darkened like a soldier. Give me back that soft, sacred part of myself that weeps at the corpses of children, so I can behold the world gently again.
You should be addressing this rant to the propagandists who spread such scenes, which could easily be from Syria, and the media which propagate them on your screens to throw blame on the true victims.
G-d gave a portion of the Holy Land to the children of Ishmael. Based on Zohar Shemot 32A
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[R. Hiyya then says] Woe is to the time that Ishmael was born into the world and was circumcised. What did G‑d do [to appease Ishmael]? He distanced the children of Ishmael from supernal cleaving and gave them [only] a portion below in the Holy Land on account of their circumcision.
And in the future, the children of Ishmael are destined to rule over the Holy Land for a long time when it is empty from anything, like their circumcision which is empty and imperfect. And they will prevent the children of Israel from returning to their place until the reward for the merit of the children of Ishmael reaches completion.
The children of Ishmael [i.e. the Arab nations] will cause great wars in the world and the children of Edom will gather against them and wage war against them, one on the sea, one on the dry land, and one near Jerusalem. And they [the children of Edom] will rule over them [the children of Ishmael], but the Holy Land will not be given over to the children of Edom. [The children of Edom is the Christian West, for Edom is Rome (see Num. 24:19, Rashi) and Rome signifies Greece-Rome and the Roman Catholic Church, the foundations of Western Civilization]
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It had already been prophesied in the Bible that the descendants of Ishmael/Arabs shall administer the Temple Mount/Jerusalem.
Isaiah 60:7
"All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory."
Kedar is the second son of Ishmael, and founder of the tribe that bore his name (Genesis 25:13). Many Arabs trace their lineage back through Ishmael to Abraham.
All the flocks of Kedar - On the word 'Kedar,' see the notes at Isaiah 21:16. The Kedarenians were a wandering tribe that frequently changed their residence, though it is probable they usually dwelt in the south part of Arabia Desert, or the north of Arabia Petraea. They are mentioned as dwelling in beautiful tents Sol 1:5 : 'I am black, but comely as the tents of Kedar,' see Psalm 120:5; compare Isaiah 21:16-17; Isaiah 42:11. The language here also means that that which constituted their principal wealth would come and enrich Jerusalem.
The rams of Nebaioth - Nebaioth was also a son of Ishmael Genesis 25:13; 1 Chronicles 1:29, and was the father of the Nabatheans. They were a people of Arabia Petraea, and lived principally by plunder, trade, and the keeping of flocks. The country of Nabathea extended, it is supposed, from the Euphrates to the Red Sea, and embraced Petra, the capital of Arabia Deserts, and also Medaba. It is not possible, however, to fix the exact boundaries of the various tribes of Arabians. The general idea is, that their most valuable possessions would be devoted to God.
Dome of the Rock is the Third Temple. There are some interpretations of the Bible that suggest that the construction of the Dome of the Rock is prophesied in the Book of Daniel. Specifically, some people believe that Daniel 12:11 is a prophecy about the building of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." [Daniel 12:11]
It is a heresy/unholy to think that Jews shall administer Temple Mount/Jerusalem as it had been clear in the Holy scripture that descendants of Ishmael/Arabs had been ordained by G-d to administer Jerusalem/Temple Mount.
Not this picking bits to suit your argument again!
@@8_7478 You can argue till the cow comes home.. the Truth is out there.
Jews cannot claim the land of Palestine as their homeland. According to the Orthodox Rabbinout in Israel, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and his 12 sons were not Jewish. Moses is not aware of modern traditions, Moses did not study even a little bit of the Talmud, Moses did not acknowledge or accept rabbinical authority. All that together with his two gentile wives.....
Had Israelis been listening or reasoning with the Torah, then Israelis would realised that they are now living in sins like the times of northern and southern kingdoms. Micah lists specific sins of both the northern and southern kingdoms. These sins include idolatry (1:7; 5:12-14); the seizure of property (2:2, 9); the failure of civil leadership (3:1-3, 9-10; 7:3), religious leadership (3:11), and prophetic leadership (3:5-7, 11); offering sacrifice without truly repenting (6:6-7); and corrupt business practices and violence (6:10-12).
G-d gave Torah to the Jews.. Being a Jew is a profession. "And you will be my kingdom of priests, my holy nation.’ This is the message you must give to the people of Israel.” Exodus 19:6
When you encounter racism, Z1onism,or Fascism, you have a moral duty to challenge it.
It always amazes me how close to zombies some folks can get.
That might be true, if it wasn't for the fact that anti-Zionism is actually racism!
And sexism and antisemitism
see - the Reckoning :- Israel and Gaza
Being against zionism since I visited what you call israel in 96, I find it disturbing to listen to talks like this. It must be horrible living with this worldview
All those artefacts, the temple of David and Solomon, archeological evidence as deep as you can dig - all to be found in "so called Israel".
What a strange worldview to hold - clearly the Jewish people have no connection to this land.
Good for you
Being disturbed is healthy if your worldview is challenged. May you continue to experience unease. Perhaps it might spark curiosity in what is upsetting you. Use valid resources as you learn
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What I call Israel I visited several times and came to understand the country,surrounded by enemies and majorities claiming to be victims.