It's getting harder and harder to defend Israel on campuses
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Wow. I can’t call these two guys delusional because it would be not mild. They are just down right crazy’s full of superiority complex.
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Fail to see this perspective.
Its impossible to defend Israel, That is why you are finding it difficult. 😉
It has been successfully defended before. And the odds were crazy like now. Lets wait and see
@@makhorubhiyo4053 This is unlike anything before.
@firestarter1888 Antisemitism mutates but there are common threads from the past
@@8_7478 Theres nothing anti semetic about criticising Israels domestic policies.
@@firestarter1888As I said, it mutates.
Isaac: 'A person that thinks that the Palestinians are only right, or the Israelis are only right is a strong sign of ignorance.' In this video I didn't find any discussion about the wrongs of Israel. Is that because of your ignorance?
It is OBVIOUS that Israel has a right to exist within it's borders in peace. It is OBVIOUS that Hamas are terrorists committed to the murder and destruction of all of the Jews in Israel. Israel is 100% right legally and morally. The terrorist enclave in Gaza is 100% wrong. The conclusion which I will tell you now is that Israel will have to clear out some kind of buffer zone in Gaza for self protection. Israel can not trust the Palestinians to cast aside their anti-Jewish culture.
You will find this in plenty of other places. You should check it out, mostly the criticism of Israel which is what you are after.
@@8_7478 Hello. I'm not particularly after Israel-criticism, but after truth and balance. That is what we need, and not Israel propaganda.
@@srenottohansen8193Most of the time, I see considerable anti- Israel propaganda.
JEWISH STUDENTS NEED TO BE EDUCATED ABOUT ISRAEL! THE HISTORY! JEWISH HISTORY, AND MIDDLE EASTERN MINDSET. INFORM YOURSELF!!!!!!!
Having a discussion with a student activist from, say, Jewish Voice for Peace, or Rabbis for Ceasefire, might shine light and love on this topic (even though they tend to be in the States rather than in the UK, as the discussion here).
Thank you so much for this discussion which I found both enlightening and profoundly disturbing. The fact that there is such an absence of courage and so much moral and intellectual cowardice that people are afraid to challenge falsehoods, factitious narratives and mob retribution, well as Dr. Johnson once said: 'Courage is the most important virtue because if you haven't courage you will have little opportunity to use the others.'
Every day Israel looses more and more support!
No it isn't. Only political ideologies get indoctrinated.
Gaining more though
The truth is coming out.
More and more Europeans are waking up to the reality of Islam and are beginning to understand what Israel has been dealing with all these years.
@@draoi99 really? Spain , Norway and Ireland would suggest otherwise.
The gap is between the Jewish Chronicle's perception of Israel and the reality of Israel.
We all have a disconnect between perception and reality
No?
When did you last visit Israel? Yeah, that's what I thought.
What is very confusing is how so many defenders of Israel are not aware of the W Bank and the illegal settlements.
The gap is between what Jews know about Israel and whatever propaganda you've been fed.
@@FlytoColombia Your line of logic only lasts as long as it isn't taken to its conclusion. Let's start with this: Miko Peled was born in Israel and served in the IDF; his mother's father was an inner-circle founder of Israel, his father Mati Peled was the 2nd-rank IDF general who led the occupation operation in the 67 war, his niece was killed in a suicide bombing, and yet he does not believe that Israel should exist. Has he ever been to Israel?
If I said, "Israel is always cold and damp", then your logic would have some soundness to it, but that fact is, you can't tell what Israel is empirically without bias by just having been there, or even lived there, so your question is completely irrelevant. Sometimes fish are the worst animals to ask about water, because they don't even know it exists, until they jump into the air and get beached.
It’s getting harder and harder for you to defend Israel because we can see exactly what Israel has been doing. With our eyes.
'To defend Israel on campuses,' in other words to defend an appartheid state committing genocide for decades! Why would you defend such a state? You would not like it if it was being done to you! Don't defend Israel, criticise and change Israel into a land of justice.
Talk with Natasha Hausdorf from UNLFI, she is doing it very well and very professionally
Her lies are easily fact checked
I’ve had unwavering support for Jews and Israelis, but seeing the soldiers’ arrogance and triumphant crudeness and abuse of Palestinians makes me realise I can’t support them anymore.
the last two words in the title are not required any more !
I can honour the way Palestinians have treated Israeli hostages, Not starved, Not tortured, Not raped, Not retrieved from mass graves buried alive, No organ harvesting. " The realm of facts " are that you are pompously comfortable ' Eyes wide shut '. Resistance is Lawful. Negotiate.
"Resistance" is terrorism, plain and simple. Terrorism isn't lawful. Your perspective is flawed
How do you know hostages have not been raped tortured and starved?
@@tictoc5443 I know because 1. The New York Times had to retract the claim in articles for lack of evidence. 2. Israeli Human rights organisations have reported the same. 3. Israeli Police have confirmed. 4. The UN have investigated.
@@tictoc5443 have the ones who have returned said as much?
@@jchan9761 i believe some of have..yes
Denial someone!
Try an episode, acknowledging the obvious harm(NOT to you) of everything that has been done to THEM by you! From their perspective! Detail when any violent or non, act of resistance, been met with a proportional, to you, reaction. A Good faith engagement, now escalation or threats in the backdrop.
This is one of the most beautiful man I ever seen 🙀
Have Israeli's been 100% fair, eager to make right the damage by their own actions are liable! Never blocked a Veto? Agreed to Palestinians right to return? Try & empathize with the indigenous(who were & are robbed. Who you spent decades denying their freedom & want gone or dead).You may feel very hurt, but blinded by severe cognitive dissonance.
@KaiCo-oi3fh If you read some realy history, you'd know that Jews are the indigenous people of present-day Israel. Muslim Balestinians are largely Egyptians and Saudis and other Arabs who migrated to the area during the British mandate, which brought some modernity and lots of jobs. They weren't robbed. Those who stayed after 1948 are prospering. Those who believed the Arab leaders and left, lost. Because it's a war, and a fifth-generation Michigander is not a refugee by any standard. They lie so hard, these so-called Palestinians.
Right to return of Egyptian or Iraqi Jews, for example, to return to these countries where they lived for 100s of years and were forced to flee?
@@NothingButGoodStuff Herzl who began the Jewish return to the Levant had not visited the Levant and was an assimilated Jew. The return of Jews was unsuccessful and antagonized the locals who were already living there.
A homeland for Jews makes sense, especially after the Holocaust, but there is no reason for Palestinians to accommodate Jews. They did not perpetrate the Holocaust. Israel is alienating even its allies. Becoming a xenograft is destroying Israel. Continuous war with the many more Arabs in the region will be the end of Israel. Look at the Crusader States that lasted 193 years and Hong Kong that lasted 154 years. In the first case Christians were returning to their origin. Hong Kong became a xenograft to China because it was the symbol of the British Empires's Opium Wars against it.
The return of Black Americans to Liberia was unsuccessful. That too made some sense. But it did not work.
Think of what continuous war will do to Israelis and their society. It will turn into a nightmare. Israel must transform itself to survive in the region it has chosen to live. It has no choice. This is the former security chief of Israel: x.com/amanpour/status/1805295431355973645
I follow the best Jewish thinkers. I do not read anything by Hamas and very little by the Arabs.
Bohdan A Oryshkevich
@@NothingButGoodStuff And Jewish Angels told you all this .right?
@@NothingButGoodStuff : "If you read some realy history, you'd know that Jews are the indigenous people of present-day Israel."
That sounds like something one would read in romantic prose. Being of a religion, no less when you don't even seriously practice it (like the original atheist Zionists), is not being "indigenous". "Indigenous" is a genetic characteristic. When a large number of southern peninsula Arabians converted to Judaism in the 6th century, were they no longer indigenous Arabians? Did they suddenly become indigenous to Israel/Judea? Is an Ashkenazi who is only about 1/8 middle-eastern, ancestry-wise, become "indigenous" to Israel/Judea (which is only a fraction of the middle east)? Why are they not 7/8 or mostly indigenous to other places?
It's not that complex having studied this conduct including reading many of the new Israeli historians... At some point you have to stop oppressing these people and deal with the reality of how Israel was created and the kind of environment it lives in and had contributed to through it's own actions. The students get it. Dismiss them as this guy tries to do all you want it's not surprising and it's a sign of how delusional people are in Israel which is not the same Israel it was and let's talk about that. The biggest threat to Israel is within as the society degrades into fascism and engages in this catastrophic crime in Gaza and West Bank. Wake up!
You know nothing.
I feel you guys. If only you guys stop your Apartheid ways, defending you would get a little bit easier.
Maybe visit Israel before you lob that accusation.. wouldn’t hurt to talk to one of the many S. Africans who lived through apartheid who know something about Israel. ANC voted out for a reason. Many do not support that label who have lived through it.
@@barryklarman2720 I'm from the West Bank, we are ruled by another people and we don't have citizenship or any civil rights. Only Jewish settlers have the rights. I think I know what i'm talking about.
IMO you need to look into middle east history to understand why jews need their own state
For over 1500 years arab jews have regularly been massacred and dislocated by muslim arabs
Having a majority jewish state provides some safety from attacks such as october 7th
@TalkativeApe-gl1ex you clearly don't understand the meaning of the word Apartheid. Too bad you didn't go to school or learn how to read or do independent research. Parroting and spewing other people's false narratives and ideologies does not constitute an opinion.
My cousin married a Palestinian doctor from Ramallah . The world is learning of the apartheid and the cries that it is not apartheid become more feeble and half hearted as the evidence is now available.
I am 77 years old.
I support a home for Jews, hopefully in the Levant, and I detest anti-Semitism.
I spent thirteen years taking care of NYC Hasidic patients in Williamsburg, almost all of whom over a certain age had survived the Holocaust. Their stories were remarkable but familiar to me because of my parents. My parents lost everything but survived WW II and witnessed the Holocaust.
This video conversation is nothing but denial. Israel diaspora supporters are unable to understand what Israel has done and what they are up against.
Jake Simons has lost some of his infantile arrogance. But his previous lies have cost Israel support, including my own.
Israel has claimed to HAVE THE MOST MORAL ARMY IN THE WORLD. Yet, it has perpetrated numerous war crimes. War is, by definition, immoral. Such a claim is the worst form of hubris. The IDF has not found a painless method of killing thousands of children. Children are children, even in dysfunctional dictatorships, let alone in occupied refugee camps.
In effect, Israel has accomplished the impossible. It has legitimized terrorist Hamas. No one, not even the Arabs, sees Hamas as a positive force.
First, we learned that PM Netanyahu nurtured and financed Hamas (with Qatar) to counterbalance Fatah and suppress the Gazans. The Gazan presence of Hamas enabled regular haircuts.
Financing a terrorist organization is a crime in anyone's books. The NY Times, the Times of Israel, the JPost, and Haaretz have all documented this financing and support. Israeli officials have admitted it.
Remarkably, the IDF ignored warnings in the fall of 2023 that Hamas was about to attack. It took long to respond and killed some of the hostages.
The obsessive Hasbara focus on 10.07 has also been a disaster. You do not understand War and Peace by reading one page of the novel. This Hasbara may have viscerally stirred the Diaspora, but it has fallen flat with the rest of the world. It has dumbed down the Israeli response.
The lack of IDF discipline, strategy, and vision, resulting in unfocused attacks on all of Gaza and Gazans, has proven counterproductive, rallied Gazans behind Hamas, and mobilized future Hamas martyrs.
All this has legitimized terrorist Hamas in the eyes of the world.
But even worse, after all this massive Gazan destruction, Israel is losing this war.
I recommend that Jake read the Robert A Pape article in Foreign Affairs on why Hamas is winning. It may have already won it.
The expansion of the war to the North with the entry of Hezbollah will seal this victory.
The inevitable emergence of drones in the Middle East will make every square inch of Israel vulnerable to air attack, alienating its population and causing reverse aliya. Eighty percent of Gaza's tunnels remain usable and fit for drone construction. Demography and time are not on Israel's side.
Even worse, Israel has squandered its legitimacy and alienated its friends and allies in the world. Canary Mission, doxxing, and AIPAC's open bribery of American politicians have alienated many American and Canadian Jews. Israeli and Zionist attacks on American universities and many of their Jewish faculty are destroying support in precisely the places where intelligent solutions to the Jewish-Palestinian impasse could come from. Outspoken calls for ethnic cleansing of Gaza by some prominent supporters of Israel have shocked many North Americans.
To make matters worse, the UN created the state of Israel. A few weeks ago, Israel's representative at the UN called it a terrorist organization.
New York City is by far the most significant Jewish city in the world, while Tel Aviv is nothing more than Staten Island. New York's Jews are proud and want the best for Israel.
Israel's supporters must understand that American Jews are leading the protests for Palestine. The Ivy League has virtually no Palestinian students. IDF veteran Columbia students and faculty have sought to strong-arm that university with disastrous results stimulating anti-Semitism and antipathy toward Israel.
At the very least, Israel must begin to listen to its Jewish critics abroad if it is to regain its legitimacy and survive this ongoing conflict.
PM Netanyahu appears to be doing everything to alienate and embarrass the Biden administration. Destructive leadership can destroy any democracy.
Bohdan A Oryshkevich, MD, MPH
Richmond VA
What an intelligent statement from an admirable person .Unanswerable and damning and transparently sincerely felt .
With respect have you studied the history of arab jews in the middle east over the last 1500 years?
Regular massacres and dislocations perpetrated by other arabs
Now jews have their small ancestral homeland back under their control...on a land area less than 0.5% of the middle east IMO they should try and keep it intact...
IMO this conflict is not about land but about competing ideologies
75% of mandatory palestine east of the river was given over to an arab prince plenty of land for a palestinian jew free state if the political will is there
This is a remarkably nuanced response. Thank you.
@ bohdan Orthodox Jews in America are strongly against Zionism. In fact, American Orthodox Jews are banned from living in Israel and even entering Israel.
@@tictoc5443 The status of Middle Eastern Jews was better than their status in Europe. Jews, like Christians, had status but had to pay certain taxes. There was no Middle Eastern holocaust against Jews. The creation of Israel caused strong reactions from Morocco to Iraq and Iran. The expulsion of Jews took place. This did not take place constructively but generated tension and recurrent wars.
The Jewish desire for a Middle Eastern home was a normal and natural aspiration especially after the Holocaust. But good intentions are not enough. The emerging Arab nations felt taken advantage of. The British simply left Palestine
Recurrent wars will chip away at Israeli security. Jews have used Zionism to create their country. Zionism puts Israelis at odds with the Palestinians and, to a lesser degree, with their neighbors.
Ooos, Johnson used the adjective greatest of all virtues.
Great conversation. I'm ready to venture out of the closet and speak up.
Read ilan pappe my friend. He will give you more actual information than these hasbara-ists
Crybabies.
Yes, Balestinians are whiny grifters. They start a war and when they lose they cry.
Right and wrong can not be complicated get educated and teach people to think
I don't think saying "it is really complex" will lead anywhere.
A whole lot of supporters of Putin say it about the current war in Ukraine. I don't see many people believing them.
When it comes to moral questions, there is usually, maybe always, some basic simplicity underneath all the complexity.
In this case, the most basic question is, "Are Jewish people human beings?" Yes, it's that basic. You will be shocked how many will say "No."
For those who say no, the only response is, "You are an antisemite, there is nothing to talk about." And walking away.
For those who say yes comes the next basic question, "Do Jewish people have the same right to live as all other people?" Again, you will be shocked how many will say, "No." For them too the only response is, "You are an antisemite, there is nothing to talk about." And walking away.
More often people will respond with "Yes, but..." or begin fidgeting. To that the response should be, "You are fidgeting. Go figure it out."
Not that complex.
This is the basis on which Zionism stands. Everything else is consequences.
Just look at the anti-Israel comments below. I am sure that every one of their authors would either say "No, they don't have a right to live" or start fidgeting.
The sad reality is that a lot less people are just confused or ignorant, and a lot more are antisemitic than you believe. I am not sure there are any decent people on the other side. At any rate they are extremely rare. But the people on the other side who are not decent bring their attitude, and this attitude has an attractive power of its own. Once again you are falling into that typical delusion that reason, logic, sanity, good will, etc. will overcome their opposites. They won't.
2 suggestions:
“The War of Return” by Einat Wilff
“Israel: The most misunderstood country” by Noa Tishby
Yep you’re right, it’s simple.
You have a right to self determination but it is not noble when it comes at a cost to the indigenous people.
@@jchan9761you know they were offered a state by the League of Nations as well as in peace negotiations with Israel?
@@jchan9761 , this "Indigenous people" is wrong on so many levels, I am not even sure where to begin.
1. It's "All people are created equal." Not "Indigenous people are superior to the rest."
2. What does "indigenous" mean, anyway? I looked up the term in Wikipedia and in dictionaries. It did not clarify anything. I think it's for the most part a meaningless word.
3. Who is indigenous in this case? Why are Jews, who have lived continuously in this land for at least 3200 years, not indigenous, but Arabs, who have lived for 1400, are indigenous? Why is the overwhelming majority of Arabs, which came starting in the second half of the 19th century, included into the indigenous, while Jews who came at the same time are not?
They say "before Israel was Palestine." That was British Mandate Palestine, which had its capital in London and was ruled by kings George V and George VI, and lasted for 28 years. And this is supposed to be indigenous, while Israel that took its place in 1948 and has been around for 76 years is not? Why? Why not the Ottoman Empire, or Crusader States, or early Arab States, or Persia, or Byzantium, or Rome? What was before Rome? Hashmonean Judea. Jews. And before that: Seleucid Empire, Persian Satrapy, Assyrian and Babylonian colonies, Israel and Judea. And before that? ISRAEL.
Any other people would be congratulated for keeping their culture and history for so long. But not Jews.
Why is it that people who lived in the land since 1200 BC and left around 138 AD DO NOT count, because that was "too long ago." And people who came since 1833 AD (or let's even say around 1948 AD) DO NOT count, because that was "too recent." But those who came in 638 AD DO count and are "just right?" Isn't this argument a little disingenuous?
4. What does it all matter anyway when you see a brute with an ax about to kill you or to do unspeakable things to your wife and children? Even if the brute is "indigenous" and you are not? This is what Jews have had to deal with pretty much throughout Jewish history. This is what people in southern Israel had to deal with on October 7. It does not take a professorship to know who is at fault here.
5. As you yourself admitted, Jews have the right to self-determination. You say it's not noble when it comes at a cost of indigenous people? I don't think "noble" is appropriate here. But I will agree with you that it's not pretty. But then, so is life. What is "pretty?" Sentimental. And life is anything but sentimental. Palestinian have had plenty of chances to divide the land, to have a state besides Israel, to find a way to live in peace, etc. Every time they set their hearts on h...ed. October 7 was just the latest.
We will take self-determination which gives us life. Otherwise we die.
@@KurtlaneAgreed.
The Nakba of 1948 and Tantura says it all. Shame. Disgrace. Free Palestine. Own up to your own behavior. !
Freee Palestine 🇵🇸
The Nakba was brought about by the Arab countries when they declared war Israel. Don't blame Israel, place the blame where it belongs on the surrounding Arab countries.
@@robertmoody5139 To create the state of Israel, Zionist forces attacked major Palestinian cities and destroyed more than 530 Palestinian villages. In 1948, approximately 13,000 Palestinians were killed and more than 750,000 Palestinians were expelled from their homes, becoming refugees. This was the climax of Zionist ethnic cleansing. Many still languish in refugee camps in neighbouring Arab countries, waiting to return to their homeland.
@@robertmoody5139 The Nakba by Israeli papers explains what even happened. Homes were burned, ( the Zio wanted the homes ), people were unalived ( on purpose ) and Palestinians ran for their lives...and became refugees. The deal offered the Arabs was lopsided, the Arabs realized they had been tricked by the West. It is a catastrophe. There are people who were there who are still horrified at their part in it. They tell their stories of the nakba...they tell us what their orders were. This happened RIGHT AFTER WW2...making it a double catastrophe because no-one would expect this group of people to do this.
When Arabs used the word "Nakba" back in 1948, they were talking about the failure of the combined Arab armies to defeat the "lowly Jews". They tried to destroy Israel and failed.
I believe in the right of a s sovereign nation to have a state in their ancestral homeland. For all recorded history there has never been a nation in this region other than that of the Hebrews: Judea, Sumaria and now Israel. Other people occupying thos area can accept and love as peaceful cotizens or they can settle eosewhere. But all those who waged war and lost, they LOST. Palestinians won't accept repatriation. And Islamic countries' track records on occupation, colonialism, himan rights and speech is abysmal. I cant support the cause for Palestine, they arent telling the truth. Most came less than 100 years ago from Jordan, Syria and especially Egypt. Many others are now full citizens and enjoy being Israeli.
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The people on the Palestinian side do not have sound arguments. They are simply wrong and are confused at best. You’re being too charitable.
One word: Apartheid. Until Israel gets out of their Medieval ways of controlling other populations, things will only get worse for them.
The most obvious example can be found in the occupied w bank. 500,000 illegal settlers. 50,000 Palestinian homes destroyed . Apartheid conditions throughout. The world knows.
have all people a passport from the river to the sea? or what democratie
Why are you censoring my comments?????
is holywood pro israel?
Nothing has changed - keep up the great job of debunking the haters rhetoric , hassle the politicians, get the right lawyers and never , ever give up - Am Yisrael Chai 🤍💙💪🇮🇱
Just keep it up and expect a different result....Lunacy by definition!
@@RobHo-yo8qs better than giving up
Jews should understand the source of all their wows is russia
Rather one of the sources…
This is a joke surely ..????
It’s not a “complicated” topic. Speaking of reading, try looking at Jabotinsky’s Iron Wall. He clearly writes about Israel as a colonial project. Perhaps you shouldn’t paint young people as ignorant.
Israel is not a colonial project. To be colonial you have to have a country in the first place. The French and British were colonial powers. Israel is filled with Jews who had to flee Europe and Arab countries because they were being persecuted and killed.
Online search term 'settler colonialism definition' > 'The concept of settler colonialism can be defined as a system of oppression based on genocide and colonialism, that aims to displace a population of a nation (oftentimes indigenous people) and replace it with a new settler population.'
And many other results, such as 'We can begin by defining settler-colonialism as it relates specifically to Indigenous peoples of North America. The goal of settler-colonization is the removal and erasure of Indigenous peoples in order to take the land for use by settlers in perpetuity.'
Using definitions like Settler Colonialism wrap up your argument in a neat little bow, but they don’t address what really happened. Both Jews and Arabs lived there prior to the establishment of a Jewish state. That land was part of the Ottoman empire for several centuries and Arabs living there considered themselves Ottoman citizens, not Palestinians. Before that, other empires controlled the region as well. The Ottomans allowed migration within their lands including both Jews and Arabs. After the fall of the Ottoman Empire after WWI, the British were given control of what they called the “mandate” of Palestinian, meaning that it was not British territory but rather they were to govern it temporarily until a permanent solution could be established. All the modern nations of the Middle East were created like this, not just Israel. No one is screaming that those states don’t have a right to exist. The League of Nations decided to create both a Jewish state and an Arab state in British controlled Palestine. Calling this a colonial project doesn’t accurately reflect this history. After 1921, the US severely limited Jewish immigration, and many other countries did as well. Jews fleeing persecution had nowhere else to go. They were not trying to displace so much as survive. Additionally, many Arabs living in British Palestine came there from Egypt and other Arab countries specifically to work for the British so they were not all “indigenous.” This is of course all background and what actually matters now is how to create peace in the region. Complete rejection of the Jewish state is not going to solve the problem.
@@Scdoo100 modern colonialism began after the Balfour Declaration. At the time, the population of Palestine had 600,000 non Jews compared to 60,000 Jews. The Zionists portrayed themselves as extensions of the British empire and the British accepted that to establish a presence in the region.
No. Genocide is definitely wrong. There is no grey with what's going on.
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There's no genocide in Gaza based on definition because the Palestinian birth rate is high and civilians are not being targeted.
@ruweidashakhshir2143 -- Muslim says What??
@@adriennefried5368The earliest definition of genocide is Rafael Lemkin's in 1944 (who also invented the term) > 'Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups. Genocide is directed against the national group as an entity, and the actions involved are directed against individuals, not in their individual capacity, but as members of the national group."[10]
- Raphael Lemkin, "Axis Rule in Occupied Europe", Chapter IX: Genocide, p. 79
PS Via online search 'genocide definition', where one will also find the UN definition of genocide.
You both seem so urbane and fair - but you’re not. It is indefensible.
Babylon !
Fxxz gazans,
I am 67 and I have never understood how/why Israel has the "right to exist". Israelis are almost all european or american immigrants. What right has anyone to take land from an indigeneous people and populate it with immigrants from another continent.
It is illogical.
They've done the same thing with all of Europe and America.
ITS a Rothschild thing
@@IsmaelZaldivar-yq2fu Muslim be jealous ??? 🤑🤣😇
Half of Israelis are from the Arab world. They fled to Israel after being persecuted and kicked out of those countries.
This is not a complex issue. The world believes it’s a complex issue because then they don’t need to solve it. If you just look at facts then you can easily solve the problem.
1. “Palestinians” are a manufactured ethnicity/Nationality. They didn’t exist before 1964 and they didn’t really show up until Arafat in 1967.
2. There are 50 countries with Muslin majorities.
So, Just ask yourself if the Muslims deserve 1 more country and the Jews deserve 1 country. Then you will have your answer.
1. There were ZERO Israelis before 1948. There were Russian, German, Austrian, Polish Jews etc. The literally manufactured a language (modern Hebrew) in order to create a national identity.
2. There are ZERO Muslim states. Saudi Arabia is the state of the Saudis, Turkey for the Turks, Indonesia for the Indonesians, etc. Yes they have Muslim majority population but that does not make them Muslim states. As a Muslim, I don't have an inherent right to live in Turkey, Afghanistan, Iran, etc. Israel is the ONLY state in the world that is the state of an group (Jews) and NOT the state of all of its citizens and that Jews from anywhere can go and live there. Meanwhile Arabs who still have the keys to their homes don't have a right to return.
@@zeeshawnali4078 Well you conveniently forgot to mention Pakistan. Created as a Muslin state in an attempt to solve the conflict between Hindus and Muslims. As for Arabs not returning to Jewish land, they left. They may have left because they thought their Arab friends would push the Jews into the sea, but they left. Sorry, no “do overs”
False narrative
@@zeeshawnali4078 BS. There were always jews in israel..
Educate yourself
Jews are a people as well as a religion. Jews have no homeland other than Israel. Many Israelis are from Arab countries and were kicked out after 1948.
Genocide is never right
There's no genocide in Gaza based on definition because the Palestinian birth rate is high and civilians are not being targeted.
Where is the proof of genocide? That is a very serious claim and you had better have irrefutable evidence to back it up. You don’t.
Explain to me how it’s genocide
@@adriennefried5368 what is the birth rate today in Gaza? how many civilians have been killed? if they're not being targeted then the IDF are incredibly poor shots with their massive bombs. we're talking about now, in Gaza.
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So what's your point?
Maybe the Palestinian Hamas terrorists and complicit Palestinians should not have started a war Oct 7th.
Why don't iareal and egypt allow the press into Gaza, are they worried about what they might fi d?
the press will misrepresent what’s occurring and they can’t guarantee there safety. when press gets killed by hamas israel to blame.
Because they interfere
Can't speak about Egypt. But for Israel, because it's a condensed battlefield with booby-traps all around. Wandering press risks soldiers' lives and gives the IDF at least one extra person to keep track of. But mostly, they don't want Press transmitting troop movements to the enemy. AND journalists can go in, with the IDF, but not during an active operation.
Take news
Younger people have access to the Internet, older generation not so much, youth are more educated
This is dumb. The "older generation" invented the Internet. I am nearly 60 years old. I earned a master's degree in Artificial Intelligence in 1990 and grew up on the Internet. Don't be dumber than you have to be by underestimating others.
Sure. Tik tok
@@ghrosenbyou clearly don't understand the difference between anecdotes vs data.
@@burhan8795 Yes, my Ph.D. in Cognitive Science followed by a 30 year research career left me completely unaware of that. Perhaps you can explain it?
Sure. 8 month to this war and yet most protesters dont know which river and sea😂
Once again, its everyone else's fault except your own
I'm sure you are talking about the Palestinians who are known to blame anyone but themselves whenever they are faced with the consequences of their actions.
@@andema83 The plstnns ddnt occupy themselves, they did come from poland and they aren't on trial for genosyd at the icj
@@practice4523israel isnt on trial. And Americans murdered more people since Oct 7th than Israelis in Gaza.
Ofc young people can't define genocide.
@@John-bravooo are you serious? We know your country is on trial for genosyd at the ICJ and the ICC prosecutor wants your leaders arrested for wr kryms
@@John-bravooo yes its on trial, and the icj said you plausibly committing gnsyd
Watched these complexities all my adult life. Same pallet, different color. Europe did no favors for the Jewish peoples after the holocaust by transplanting them to Palestine, occupied by Palestinians, surrounded by arab nations who hated them. Israel was founded as an ethno Jewish state in 1948 and, tragically, it's been war and destruction to this day.
Europe did not transplant the Jews to Palestine. On the contrary, the Jews had to fight on every level, at an enormous cost of human life, to achieve the world's only experience of true re-indigenization and decolonization. And the fact that the Jews having sovereignty is an affront to Islamic supremacists has been the cause of violence since well before the founding of the modern state of Israel.
Seems additional education is needed. First mistake is Jews are from Europe. Second mistake is Jews “took” Arab land. The “mistake” by the UN in ‘48 was how they partitioned British land. There were more Jews in the land than Arabs. Only about 700,000 Arabs. When Jordan was given back, the 700,000 should have been given homes in Jordan. But 5 Arab countries wanted to push the Jews into the sea. The only country that supported the new state was Czechoslovakia. The world was actually pretty shocked when the Jews won.
@sandrajayne5446 , it actually saddens me to read that you've been watching it your entire adult life and still buy into the narrative that Jews are transplants to the Levant. I wish we could have a dialogue and I could tell you the facts - show you the proof - about my family. And they weren't the only ones. Jews have ALWAYS had a presence in present-day Israel. Despite the many attempts, by Muslims and Christians alike, to genocide them. Islamism is the real danger the West faces these days. Pay attention.
Exactly. It's quite like a trap.
End the occupation.
Stop hate criming Jews
Tried to, many times.
What occupation ? Are you talking to hamas, actually parts of gaza are actually Israel land if you know the history
It's actually harder and braver to be against isreal than being openly pro isreal.
lol!
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No that is not accurate!
Oh do tell us how you've suffered. No Uber Eats delivery after barricading yourself inside a university building?
Or were you chased off campus by a slobbering mob? Oh, wait. That only happened to the other guys.
Funny how they couldn't come up with an excuse for Isreal genocide but rather tried to belittle and accused Egypt. Yeah, laughable indeed
The only democracy in the middle east 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@syk-. that's exactly right. It is the only democracy in the Levant AND the Middle East. Go read a real book one of these days.
@NothingButGoodStuff I am from the region and I have a phd love, I read on the daily