i have been fortunate enough to attend two ND-NAVY games ... those young men from the Naval acadamy are total CLASS !!! it never hurts to be associated with CLASS !!! Let the series continue !!!
People who want this rivalry to end don't understand the history of the university or how unique this rivalry is. While our rivalry with USC is built off animosity, a history of bad beats, close games, and wanting to take long trips to the west coast, the Navy rivalry exists because the Navy (big Navy, not just the school) kept the university open during WWII. Without the ROTC program funneling money into the university to train their cadets, and with all the able body young men going off to war, the university would have gone under and would NOT exist today without the Navy. To this day Navy ROTC has the most cadets at Notre Dame every single year by a wide margin. Because of that history, and because the Navy saved the University from shutting its doors, the story/myth is that the university agreed to play the Naval Academy every year until the Naval Academy decides they don't want to anymore.... I value the university holding to its history and long held agreements, and if you ever come to campus on a game day you are going to see midshipmen welcomed into tailgates, and treated like family all over campus. It is a rivalry now built on mutual respect and honor, and that is part of why the teams sing each other's alma maters at the end of every game. We shouldn't disrespect our commitment to an Academy that trains men of value that are going to go on to sacrifice so much to protect our country.... We should value our promises to them especially when that promise is as simple as playing 1 football game a year against them
The service academy games are part of Notre Dame's National fan base building. Playing on neutral NFL fields makes it easier for that fanbase to see ND.
That is true. I’ve seen them play Seth the old Veterans Stadium in Philly, The Meadowlands/Met Life, Yankee Stadium, Baltimore… so for me living on Long Island, it’s the easiest way to get to see The Irish. 5 trips to South Bend over the last 25 years have all been unbelievable experiences. But that’s not something I can do more frequently than that. That being said, still heavily in favor of the every other year home and home against Navy. Army can be on a 4/5 year rotational basis.
Tyler! I appreciate the shout out for my son and his football team! You are right, we are in Wisconsin. He finished with 3 pick sixes, a KO return for a td and 3 rushing tds. He cant wait for freshman football!! Keep up the good work on the show!
Hey, what’s up , Tyler , first of all I want to say thank you for always putting Notre Dame news and updates out there. Im sure all the fans appreciate your channel. If I could voice my opinion on this topic. tradition does that word not mean anything these days …when I was a little kid growing up , I was always told about tradition and now as an adult people want to change up that I don’t get it just leave it as it is. This is football baby. It’s a physical sport. There’s gonna be injuries just like I tell my son “you fall down you get right back up” no excuses. Second I … Appreciate all our service men and women out there who fight for our country every day , Hats off to all you guys. I like seeing this 13:12 rivalry game between Notre Dame and Navy every year just like I see USC against Notre Dame. Look forward to that don’t break it don’t take that away. If Notre Dame is tough, they’ll come away with the win 🏆. Simple like that.
If you have a chance… after the game, watch the singing of their Alma Mater songs as both teams walk over to the other side. (Not many eyes are dry; or the allergies hit). Go Navy! USNA Class of 2026.
My dad was in the Navy and I fell in love with ND because his boss would give him his ND home tickets when Navy came to town. I loved those games so much and have been an ND fan all my life because of the Navy/ND games… that being said, my personal experience cannot dictate supporting this going forward. Love the idea of playing every 3 years; these games do not help us in any way. Time to modernize into the current CFB landscape.
Same here. But I’m United States Marine, and a Notre Dame alumni. Honoring contracts and great HISTORIC rivalries will improve everybody. I love this sh!t! Tell your dad, I said Semper Fi shipmate!
@@BiggusDickus-s5q hah! Love it, he’s a 35 year guy and just retired last year. He loves the tradition but he agrees too it’s only hindering the program. Good win against Navy this weekend!
Service Academies deserve the attention of a national game; after all they are far more than just another college. But the style of play does rack up injuries in ways other schools ND plays do not
I'll ask myself the question after the game when I see the butcher's bill on the ND roster after a game full of Navy's chop blocking...er, I mean CUT blocking.
Not gonna lie, I think ND fans complaining about Navy's LEGAL cut blocking is just cry-baby BS. Chop blocks are illegal. When they happen, penalties are called. Cut blocks? Every team uses them. It's part of the game.
@@dashx1103, Not gonna lie, but it seems odd that every team cut blocks but an awful lot of ND players go down with injuries when they play Navy. The butcher's bill against Navy is rather long, and I've been saying for a long time that all ND linemen need to wear knee braces when they play Navy. I'm well aware of what a cut block vs a chop block is.
@@gregwasserman2635 Again, I'll ask: what ND players recently have gone down with injuries from "cut blocks?" I get that is some weird ND fan legend, but I'm asking for the actual "butcher's bill." Who? When? Under what circumstances?
@@gregwasserman2635 He mentioned a few injuries from the past, but he did not state the circumstances of those injuries or explain why Navy's "cut blocking" was responsible. ND has been playing Navy since 1927, and Tyler mentioned a couple of injuries ... without any context. So, I'll ask again: what ND players recently have "gone down" with injuries to Navy's blocking? If you can't answer, you can't answer. Is what it is.
Yes, we rescued France in WW1 and WW2." Lafayette ,we are here! Said American troops arriving in France in 1917" Let's keep playing Navy every 3 years in gratitude for their saving ND in WW 2.
ND injury problems are because of the turf. We need a different turf or just bring back the grass field. It just adds up with the kind of injuries and when they happened
I thoroughly enjoyed your argument about why N.D. should no longer play Navy.. I thought, here he is showing his N.D. education. BUT, you left out one important argument that I wish you had addressed I heard the president of the university say [before your time} that Navy could play N.D. as long as they wished to play N.D. Father Ted Hesberg was saying thank you. He did not make any qualifying statements like we will play you every three years. In my opinion, our word should be just that and honored on both sides. All the best, Tyler. I really enjoy your show here in Southern California.
Navy & Army “DESERVES A NATIONAL GAME ”?!? They have THE ULTIMATE NATIONALGAME! The first Sat. of Dec. for the last several decades, Thenrmy Navy game is literally the only game in town! Only game on TV that day, every dignitary in the country is there etc… What they DONT deserve is an annual game with Notre Dame. The every other year home & home with Navy’s the ideal solution.
Win the game and it doesn’t matter! Should sec schools not play FCS opponents because there’s nothing to gain. Win the game. Nothing to do with debt or SOS. Every team plays sub par competition at some point regardless if it’s the same team every year or a different team every year. Win the game go undefeated. There won’t be any issues
ND already has a loss! Hello N. Illinois cleaned their clock! Your coaching staff needs a reset like a new head coach! Ten on the field vs OSU says it all at ND. Game over!
@@kevinpantera4429had a FG blocked as time ran out. Is t exactly cleaning their clock. However your point is well made, ND was a double digit favor & was soundly dominated by an FBS team that never should have happened.
@@Willie_McBride But it did! Like ten in the field vs OSU last season. That's coaching all day. ND better look at the head coach. Buck stops there. Have not liked him since day one! They had better have their chin straps on tight vs both Navy and Army! They let up, they will get beat!
If you’re recommending that Notre Dame kick navy off the schedule, I strongly disagree with that. In a time and age where conferences are being put together based on money and tradition is being thrown out the window I think Notre Dame‘s continuation with Navy speaks loudly to the importance of tradition in college football. USC has already hinted that if having Notre Dame on their schedule is not favorable they’ll consider ending one of the greatest rivalries in college football. I cannot see Notre Dame taking the same position with that great rivalry.
Notre Dame must honor their word towards Navy Navy helped Notre Dame keep their doors open when enrollment almost ended Notre Dame’s existence play Navy as Long as navy wants to play Notre Dame. Keep your word.
Maybe ND needs to look at “ like u said” play navy or any non relevant tradition school similar to the big ten plan. Must play 2 times every 4 years or something similar to this
Fun and 'edgy' Mailbag! LOL, loved it- and as you probably guessed, I save any salt for the other 'controversial' comment... 😉 My two points: 1) I do like the three year idea, where it is a celebration of the relationship, every three years, in a special out of country exhibition, or otherwise iconic location (Hell I would NOT complain if we just went to Dublin every three years!) - special uniforms, special celebrations and revisits of history of the relationship. It would be a punctuation point, not a yearly drubbing of the Academy, or disregarded win that teaches our men the lost art of defending the option each year to literally no purpose for the rest of their careers. No I don't think it is disrespectful, and no, I do not align myself with those that would pitch it out because some nod to tradition IS who we are. But to disregard the possibility of change is not a good recipe for being flexible in times of change. Shall we likewise turn back the clock in our reaction to and ignore: NIL, Transfer Portal, expanded playoff, and concentration of power and money in leagues and networks that are inimical to our independence as well as our success? Shall we continue to do no great aid in nearly all years to both programs? Bevacqua, he of one of those schools that you so diss in this cast, is possibly an agent of future change, and a child of one of the networks that cause the planets to spin around the football galactic center. But- And sure, nothing will happen in the short term. Certainly there is more than just a myth to the idea that only Navy can end the series, as there is the rather unequivocal Hesburgh utterance "As long as Navy wants to be on Notre Dame's schedule, they'll be on Notre Dame's schedule" - Rev. Theodore Hesburgh, former Notre Dame President. A powerful voice, even after his passing, he once threatened to expel not only myself but a whole class of student protesters (I can still see him coming out onto the Admin steps where we all were collected, and sort of shouting at us to disperse. No security, no minions. Just Him! I'll never forget it, still makes me shake my head!). I don't see any current-day president being the one that reneges on a Hesburgh promise. On the other hand, I never thought we would have an official NIL collective, let alone two. 2) On the Connecticut schools...just... Wow. We have just gotten over the bereavement for Traore, and now this?? (Of course I am joking quite a bit, but you had better hope all those Bloat and BrunSwishers are no good! Hated rivals to me, they are still fellow nutmeggers, and if any of them are any good at all, I will point it out endlessly until you ban me.) 😉 Go Irish
Im not the biggest fan of the rivalry with Navy...but ND wouldn't be a school right now without the Naval Academy. We will play Navy as long as they want. Think of someone else other ND for a minute.
I say YES Notre Dame should continue to play Navy. I also believe Notre Dame should resume their rivalries with Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue. I remember Notre Dame playing these teams every year. Huge mistake dropping games against those teams.
You cannot have 1/3 of the schedule against these no longer significant ‘rivalries’ USC is never going away, & a lot of people think Stanford should be an annual event as well. So with that you’re up to half the sched., and that’s not sustainable with the partial affiliation with the ACC. An every other year home & home with Mich. is something I could get behind. Same with Navy. Keeps the tradition, but doesn’t put too much emphasis on a game that 90% of the time is a lose/lose proposition for ND. Beating up Purdue annually is pointless, & MSU can maybe be a rotational game every 4-5 years. But you just can’t keep scheduling the same old tired BIG teams for nostalgic reasons. In the current national landscape, with the 12 team playoff system, scheduling teams from other conferences is imperative to get the brand seen by a national audience. USC is a must every year. They aren’t gonna suck forever, so keeping them around will be a huge national interest game much more often than not.
Yeah I agree ^ need to workout some deal to do a game a year versus a good SEC and good Big Ten team ss well as USC. Idk how ND gets it done but if there is a will there's a way.
God, Country, Notre Dame…right? Get away from the ACC and align more with the big ten. This not only improves strength of schedule but also allows us to continue the USC rivalry and play some older rivalries as well.
Why would they do that ? It’s part of their history and tradition. If people want to complain about how much the game helps or matters to ND in terms of the playoff then tell the SEC teams to stop playing FCS schools in week 9-10 every year to give themselves a bye week basically. There’s a double standard for ND when it comes to schedule.
ND needs to get into the Big 10. The Irish have an embarrassingly weak schedule and will have more trouble scheduling power conference schools. They need to keep the Navy rivalry out of respect for their history together.
I’m old school but in today’s CFB Landscape it makes no sense to play Navy every year! Every 3 years would be perfect to still RESPECT HISTORY and what Navy did for Notre Dame! Another note:… ND COACHES have made a Big mistake in keeping CJ CARR at 4th QB… he should have been promoted to the #2 after his awesome SPRING SHOWING and put the narrative out there that he’s the future starting in 2025. This would have eased the minds of many BIGTIME WR prospects to come to the IRISH… instead they keep passing and going to other schools! This is a huge DROPPED BALL by the coaching staff for sure!! GO IRISH 🏈☘️💪🏼
Oh boy, I just love it everytime ‘paragraph guy’ comes on here to post the history lesson as if any Notre Dame fan over the age of 30 has t heard the story 100 times.
Make it every 2-3 years or something. We have really nothing to gain from it. Even if we kick their ass it’s “wElL iT5 nAvY” We’re so focused on our past that we never really move forward into the future. The Navy game always sucks horribly to watch.. let’s be real
Can never get rid of the ND Navy game. ND would have been closed if it wasn’t for teaming up with Navy during WW2 . So if you think they should , then you don’t understand the History and Tradition Go Irish ☘️
I completely understand the history & tradition. And I 100% believe that the every other year Home & Home vs. Navy keeps the tradition alive without becoming victim to a litany of potential negatives. With the Playoff selection process the way it is currently structured, ND literally cannot play them every year. And they don’t play Army every year anyway.
@@Willie_McBride I could get with an every other year schedule for sure 👍 I just don’t think it would be honoring to either school to just to stop playing each other for ND to have better playoff outcomes.
Let's educate you even more about the series with Navy, Tyler. Yes, what you have said is correct about the rivalry. I had a cousin that played for the Naval Academy and in our family it was a big deal and we are diehard Notre Dame football fans as well. To say that Notre Dame doesn't have enough "mutual respect" for Navy because they don't play them at Navy is insulting to both Notre Dame and Navy. If it wasn't for Navy, there would be no Notre Dame and South Bend would be nothing more than a story in a history book. And your comments about the debt of gratitude that "the debt has been paid a million times over." is so arrogant and it shows you really don't know the meaning of this series. The reason this game is not played at Navy-Marine Corps Stadium is because the stadium only seats 34,000. Plus, there is no reason for Navy to have a stadium bigger than that because they don't play many big-name opponents. For Navy, when it hosts the game every other year it is played at "neutral" sites because this is by far Navy's biggest gate every other year and it helps the Academy financially when they can fill a 75,000-seat stadium when they play Notre Dame. And it is a huge recruiting tool for the Naval Academy knowing it plays Notre Dame every year and they play them in NFL stadiums and for Navy players it is a big deal. And it is rare for someone from the Naval Academy to play in the NFL. But these Navy guys are incredibly smart individuals. These Navy players were very good high school players that chose to have a career following football rather than pursue a dream of playing professionally. There are college football fans that make fun of Notre Dame fans like myself every year because Notre Dame plays Navy. Yet, when one of these school's fan bases that make fun of Notre Dame takes on one of the military academies, they aren't laughing as much. They are so relieved when it is over that they don't want to play them again. Ask Oklahoma and Michigan fans what it was like to play Army in 2018 and '19, respectively. They both had to sweat it out in OVERTIME to escape!! And name any other school that is a major player in college football that plays Navy or another service academy team EVERY year? Now, that being said talent-wise Notre Dame clearly has an edge. But Navy runs a great system that starts when they get there and they play a Junior Varsity schedule against some of the other small colleges on the East Coast (navysports.com/sports/2021/7/21/2018-jv-football-schedule) . So they have at least two years of learning the system before they step up to the Varsity level. That is why they have been successful. But when it is all said and done, I sure as hell want these guys protecting my country!! So before you disparage Notre Dame playing Navy, maybe you should spend a day in Annapolis and find out about what these guys go through each day. They have such a regimented schedule and everyone there must take part in a sport. Football is the easiest part of the day for these guys. There is not one class they have that is considered an "easy class". And if you want to talk about the schedule, Navy belongs on this year's schedule more than some teams that are currently on the schedule.
I think it could be a good way to combine Navy and BC and play then back and forth every other year. We then can do a similar thing with Stanford and USC that we already kind of do.
Yes they should continue having an annual game with Navy and Army. They've been a great rivalry. Navy saved ND back in the mid forties. I really do enjoy watching the games.
Ok, first of all it was the other way around, Naval contracts to use ND for Training & education, kept ND afloat during WWII. The issue is that this game is a lose/lose proposition for ND almost every year. Generally Navy is a much lower rated team. So beating them does nothing for SOS… the national trope on that is ‘It’s Navy, ND SHOULD best Navy but the potential to lose to Navy would destroy ND season. Plus with the Navy ‘Cut Block’ scheme it’s extremely dangerous to the ND lineman. Secondly, ND doesn’t play Army on an annual basis, so that’s out, and the ramification of the win/lose proposition is the same as Navy. Win, so what, it’s Army, you should win. Lose and it’s ‘OMG ND MUST SUCK THEY LOST TO ARMY’ see, lose lose. I’d do Navy on an every other year home & home… maybe rotate Army in with another occasional ‘formerly traditional rival’ on a 3-5 year basis. The schedule needs to be more diverse with the current playoff format & selection process, the old school ‘stick with traditional rivals’ is the same as saying ‘I dont ever want to win another Natty’
🙄 as an ND grad, you should be ashamed for bringing up this topic! You know it’s NEVER going to change and the only people who care about this are NOT ND fans or graduates…like the dip sticks at ESPN. Every other “News” organization is will bring up this dumb topic because they are ignorant. I expected more of you! 😒😕🙄
Army and Navy are tuff well coached teams. Niw you want out. ND coach stinks, guy cant coach at all. Ten on field last year vs. OSU! Guy stinks and ND. Will go no place with him coaching!
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i have been fortunate enough to attend two ND-NAVY games ... those young men from the Naval acadamy are total CLASS !!! it never hurts to be associated with CLASS !!! Let the series continue !!!
People who want this rivalry to end don't understand the history of the university or how unique this rivalry is. While our rivalry with USC is built off animosity, a history of bad beats, close games, and wanting to take long trips to the west coast, the Navy rivalry exists because the Navy (big Navy, not just the school) kept the university open during WWII. Without the ROTC program funneling money into the university to train their cadets, and with all the able body young men going off to war, the university would have gone under and would NOT exist today without the Navy. To this day Navy ROTC has the most cadets at Notre Dame every single year by a wide margin. Because of that history, and because the Navy saved the University from shutting its doors, the story/myth is that the university agreed to play the Naval Academy every year until the Naval Academy decides they don't want to anymore.... I value the university holding to its history and long held agreements, and if you ever come to campus on a game day you are going to see midshipmen welcomed into tailgates, and treated like family all over campus. It is a rivalry now built on mutual respect and honor, and that is part of why the teams sing each other's alma maters at the end of every game. We shouldn't disrespect our commitment to an Academy that trains men of value that are going to go on to sacrifice so much to protect our country.... We should value our promises to them especially when that promise is as simple as playing 1 football game a year against them
Every other year would add more spark and nostalgia back to the series.
I like this idea
The service academy games are part of Notre Dame's National fan base building. Playing on neutral NFL fields makes it easier for that fanbase to see ND.
That is true. I’ve seen them play Seth the old Veterans Stadium in Philly, The Meadowlands/Met Life, Yankee Stadium, Baltimore… so for me living on Long Island, it’s the easiest way to get to see The Irish. 5 trips to South Bend over the last 25 years have all been unbelievable experiences. But that’s not something I can do more frequently than that.
That being said, still heavily in favor of the every other year home and home against Navy. Army can be on a 4/5 year rotational basis.
Tyler! I appreciate the shout out for my son and his football team! You are right, we are in Wisconsin. He finished with 3 pick sixes, a KO return for a td and 3 rushing tds. He cant wait for freshman football!! Keep up the good work on the show!
Hey, what’s up , Tyler , first of all I want to say thank you for always putting Notre Dame news and updates out there. Im sure all the fans appreciate your channel. If I could voice my opinion on this topic. tradition does that word not mean anything these days …when I was a little kid growing up , I was always told about tradition and now as an adult people want to change up that I don’t get it just leave it as it is. This is football baby. It’s a physical sport. There’s gonna be injuries just like I tell my son “you fall down you get right back up” no excuses. Second I …
Appreciate all our service men and women out there who fight for our country every day , Hats off to all you guys. I like seeing this 13:12 rivalry game between Notre Dame and Navy every year just like I see USC against Notre Dame. Look forward to that don’t break it don’t take that away. If Notre Dame is tough, they’ll come away with the win 🏆. Simple like that.
If you have a chance… after the game, watch the singing of their Alma Mater songs as both teams walk over to the other side. (Not many eyes are dry; or the allergies hit).
Go Navy!
USNA Class of 2026.
God Bless, thank you for your service. And I hope you go home with additional tears in your eyes taking the sting of a BIG “L” with you.
God Bless and thank you for your sacrifice...
@@Willie_McBride 😊
My dad was in the Navy and I fell in love with ND because his boss would give him his ND home tickets when Navy came to town. I loved those games so much and have been an ND fan all my life because of the Navy/ND games… that being said, my personal experience cannot dictate supporting this going forward. Love the idea of playing every 3 years; these games do not help us in any way. Time to modernize into the current CFB landscape.
Same here. But I’m United States Marine, and a Notre Dame alumni. Honoring contracts and great HISTORIC rivalries will improve everybody.
I love this sh!t!
Tell your dad, I said Semper Fi shipmate!
@@BiggusDickus-s5q hah! Love it, he’s a 35 year guy and just retired last year. He loves the tradition but he agrees too it’s only hindering the program. Good win against Navy this weekend!
Great idea, still keeping tradition with Navy but making it even more better by doing it every 2 or 3 yrs 👍🏽
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Hate giving up the annual tradition, but maybe every other year does make sense. Tough call, so few things sacred anymore
Service Academies deserve the attention of a national game; after all they are far more than just another college. But the style of play does rack up injuries in ways other schools ND plays do not
Let them find someone besides ND
I'll ask myself the question after the game when I see the butcher's bill on the ND roster after a game full of Navy's chop blocking...er, I mean CUT blocking.
Not gonna lie, I think ND fans complaining about Navy's LEGAL cut blocking is just cry-baby BS. Chop blocks are illegal. When they happen, penalties are called. Cut blocks? Every team uses them. It's part of the game.
@@dashx1103, Not gonna lie, but it seems odd that every team cut blocks but an awful lot of ND players go down with injuries when they play Navy. The butcher's bill against Navy is rather long, and I've been saying for a long time that all ND linemen need to wear knee braces when they play Navy. I'm well aware of what a cut block vs a chop block is.
@@gregwasserman2635 Again, I'll ask: what ND players recently have gone down with injuries from "cut blocks?" I get that is some weird ND fan legend, but I'm asking for the actual "butcher's bill." Who? When? Under what circumstances?
@@dashx1103, did you watch the video? Tyler gave a list. Funny how it happens a lot with Navy.
@@gregwasserman2635 He mentioned a few injuries from the past, but he did not state the circumstances of those injuries or explain why Navy's "cut blocking" was responsible. ND has been playing Navy since 1927, and Tyler mentioned a couple of injuries ... without any context. So, I'll ask again: what ND players recently have "gone down" with injuries to Navy's blocking? If you can't answer, you can't answer. Is what it is.
It's an honorable history between them. Leave it alone.
Great podcast! Football family here, USN Vet, family member is ND ROTC. Always start the day with your pocast!! Go Irish!
Definitely keep it,has to be a highlight for our future heroes
Yes, we rescued France in WW1 and WW2." Lafayette ,we are here! Said American troops arriving in France in 1917" Let's keep playing Navy every 3 years in gratitude for their saving ND in WW 2.
ND injury problems are because of the turf. We need a different turf or just bring back the grass field. It just adds up with the kind of injuries and when they happened
Loved hearing the history behind this rivalry. Covid was the only season we did not play them
I love your take on fixing the nd and navy rivalry. I think that’s a perfect method and everyone still wins.
Yes! Always play navy!
I am all for cutting back on Navy. I would propose every other year and playing another academy, Army or Air Force in the alternate years.
Going to the Mater v Bosco tonight. I agree ND needs to develop a stronger relationship with these high school.
I agree with you.
Happy Friday 🥰 Go Irish ☘️ 🏈🤞
Yes. They should.
I thoroughly enjoyed your argument about why N.D. should no longer play Navy.. I thought, here he is showing his N.D. education.
BUT, you left out one important argument that I wish you had addressed
I heard the president of the university say [before your time} that Navy could play N.D. as long as they wished to play N.D.
Father Ted Hesberg was saying thank you.
He did not make any qualifying statements like we will play you every three years.
In my opinion, our word should be just that and honored on both sides.
All the best, Tyler. I really enjoy your show here in Southern California.
Join the American conference and keep it a yearly event. It’s a conference you can win in 🤔
Play in Annapolis ,Northwest Field, or M&T Bank
Navy & Army “DESERVES A NATIONAL GAME ”?!? They have THE ULTIMATE NATIONALGAME! The first Sat. of Dec. for the last several decades, Thenrmy Navy game is literally the only game in town! Only game on TV that day, every dignitary in the country is there etc…
What they DONT deserve is an annual game with Notre Dame. The every other year home & home with Navy’s the ideal solution.
Win the game and it doesn’t matter! Should sec schools not play FCS opponents because there’s nothing to gain. Win the game. Nothing to do with debt or SOS. Every team plays sub par competition at some point regardless if it’s the same team every year or a different team every year. Win the game go undefeated. There won’t be any issues
ND already has a loss! Hello N. Illinois cleaned their clock! Your coaching staff needs a reset like a new head coach! Ten on the field vs OSU says it all at ND. Game over!
@@kevinpantera4429had a FG blocked as time ran out. Is t exactly cleaning their clock. However your point is well made, ND was a double digit favor & was soundly dominated by an FBS team that never should have happened.
@@Willie_McBride But it did! Like ten in the field vs OSU last season. That's coaching all day. ND better look at the head coach. Buck stops there. Have not liked him since day one! They had better have their chin straps on tight vs both Navy and Army! They let up, they will get beat!
And yeah I would sacrifice Stanford and navy games to get some local rivals back like um mich state and Purdue
If you’re recommending that Notre Dame kick navy off the schedule, I strongly disagree with that. In a time and age where conferences are being put together based on money and tradition is being thrown out the window I think Notre Dame‘s continuation with Navy speaks loudly to the importance of tradition in college football. USC has already hinted that if having Notre Dame on their schedule is not favorable they’ll consider ending one of the greatest rivalries in college football. I cannot see Notre Dame taking the same position with that great rivalry.
Notre Dame must honor their word towards Navy Navy helped Notre Dame keep their doors open when enrollment almost ended Notre Dame’s existence play Navy as Long as navy wants to play Notre Dame. Keep your word.
Maybe ND needs to look at “ like u said” play navy or any non relevant tradition school similar to the big ten plan. Must play 2 times every 4 years or something similar to this
This would allow to throw in Michigan every other year and flex schedule
Fun and 'edgy' Mailbag! LOL, loved it- and as you probably guessed, I save any salt for the other 'controversial' comment... 😉
My two points:
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I do like the three year idea, where it is a celebration of the relationship, every three years, in a special out of country exhibition, or otherwise iconic location (Hell I would NOT complain if we just went to Dublin every three years!) - special uniforms, special celebrations and revisits of history of the relationship. It would be a punctuation point, not a yearly drubbing of the Academy, or disregarded win that teaches our men the lost art of defending the option each year to literally no purpose for the rest of their careers.
No I don't think it is disrespectful, and no, I do not align myself with those that would pitch it out because some nod to tradition IS who we are. But to disregard the possibility of change is not a good recipe for being flexible in times of change. Shall we likewise turn back the clock in our reaction to and ignore: NIL, Transfer Portal, expanded playoff, and concentration of power and money in leagues and networks that are inimical to our independence as well as our success? Shall we continue to do no great aid in nearly all years to both programs?
Bevacqua, he of one of those schools that you so diss in this cast, is possibly an agent of future change, and a child of one of the networks that cause the planets to spin around the football galactic center.
But- And sure, nothing will happen in the short term. Certainly there is more than just a myth to the idea that only Navy can end the series, as there is the rather unequivocal Hesburgh utterance "As long as Navy wants to be on Notre Dame's schedule, they'll be on Notre Dame's schedule" - Rev. Theodore Hesburgh, former Notre Dame President.
A powerful voice, even after his passing, he once threatened to expel not only myself but a whole class of student protesters (I can still see him coming out onto the Admin steps where we all were collected, and sort of shouting at us to disperse. No security, no minions. Just Him! I'll never forget it, still makes me shake my head!). I don't see any current-day president being the one that reneges on a Hesburgh promise.
On the other hand, I never thought we would have an official NIL collective, let alone two.
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On the Connecticut schools...just... Wow. We have just gotten over the bereavement for Traore, and now this?? (Of course I am joking quite a bit, but you had better hope all those Bloat and BrunSwishers are no good! Hated rivals to me, they are still fellow nutmeggers, and if any of them are any good at all, I will point it out endlessly until you ban me.) 😉 Go Irish
Ten on the field vs. OSU says it all! Can never be repaid, allways in their debt.
Im not the biggest fan of the rivalry with Navy...but ND wouldn't be a school right now without the Naval Academy.
We will play Navy as long as they want. Think of someone else other ND for a minute.
I say YES Notre Dame should continue to play Navy. I also believe Notre Dame should resume their rivalries with Michigan, Michigan State, and Purdue. I remember Notre Dame playing these teams every year. Huge mistake dropping games against those teams.
You cannot have 1/3 of the schedule against these no longer significant ‘rivalries’
USC is never going away, & a lot of people think Stanford should be an annual event as well.
So with that you’re up to half the sched., and that’s not sustainable with the partial affiliation with the ACC. An every other year home & home with Mich. is something I could get behind. Same with Navy. Keeps the tradition, but doesn’t put too much emphasis on a game that 90% of the time is a lose/lose proposition for ND. Beating up Purdue annually is pointless, & MSU can maybe be a rotational game every 4-5 years. But you just can’t keep scheduling the same old tired BIG teams for nostalgic reasons. In the current national landscape, with the 12 team playoff system, scheduling teams from other conferences is imperative to get the brand seen by a national audience.
USC is a must every year. They aren’t gonna suck forever, so keeping them around will be a huge national interest game much more often than not.
Yeah I agree ^ need to workout some deal to do a game a year versus a good SEC and good Big Ten team ss well as USC. Idk how ND gets it done but if there is a will there's a way.
God, Country, Notre Dame…right?
Get away from the ACC and align more with the big ten. This not only improves strength of schedule but also allows us to continue the USC rivalry and play some older rivalries as well.
Why would they do that ? It’s part of their history and tradition. If people want to complain about how much the game helps or matters to ND in terms of the playoff then tell the SEC teams to stop playing FCS schools in week 9-10 every year to give themselves a bye week basically. There’s a double standard for ND when it comes to schedule.
When ND joins the Big Ten the rivalry with Navy will go away.
You’re right about the lose lose situation. All respect to the naval academy but tired of watching them play dirty and f up our seasons
You guys have f’d up more of your own seasons than Navy ever could
ND needs to get into the Big 10. The Irish have an embarrassingly weak schedule and will have more trouble scheduling power conference schools. They need to keep the Navy rivalry out of respect for their history together.
I’m old school but in today’s CFB Landscape it makes no sense to play Navy every year! Every 3 years would be perfect to still RESPECT HISTORY and what Navy did for Notre Dame! Another note:… ND COACHES have made a Big mistake in keeping CJ CARR at 4th QB… he should have been promoted to the #2 after his awesome SPRING SHOWING and put the narrative out there that he’s the future starting in 2025. This would have eased the minds of many BIGTIME WR prospects to come to the IRISH… instead they keep passing and going to other schools! This is a huge DROPPED BALL by the coaching staff for sure!! GO IRISH 🏈☘️💪🏼
ND coach stinks! He is the worst. Navy is undefeated, so us Army. Watch out!
They already lost to N Illinois😢hello!! At home now less! ND is beatable! No coaching. ND better get a coach, this guy is a loser!
When one dominates the other its not really a rivalry
Oh boy, I just love it everytime ‘paragraph guy’ comes on here to post the history lesson as if any Notre Dame fan over the age of 30 has t heard the story 100 times.
You don't "blame Navy for running the triple option?" How big of you!
Make it every 2-3 years or something. We have really nothing to gain from it. Even if we kick their ass it’s “wElL iT5 nAvY”
We’re so focused on our past that we never really move forward into the future. The Navy game always sucks horribly to watch.. let’s be real
Drop, Navy! Nothing to gain from playing them
SHIT CAN THE NAVY GAME TO ME ITS WORTH LESS😂🎉🎉
Can never get rid of the ND Navy game.
ND would have been closed if it wasn’t for teaming up with Navy during WW2 .
So if you think they should , then you don’t understand the History and Tradition
Go Irish ☘️
Did you listen to the podcast? He covers this.
@@Footballfanatic10008 uh yea did you ?
Cause he told us to LEAVE OUR THOUGHTS IN THE COMMENT SECTION ……
I completely understand the history & tradition. And I 100% believe that the every other year Home & Home vs. Navy keeps the tradition alive without becoming victim to a litany of potential negatives. With the Playoff selection process the way it is currently structured, ND literally cannot play them every year.
And they don’t play Army every year anyway.
@@Willie_McBride I could get with an every other year schedule for sure 👍 I just don’t think it would be honoring to either school to just to stop playing each other for ND to have better playoff outcomes.
Let's educate you even more about the series with Navy, Tyler. Yes, what you have said is correct about the rivalry. I had a cousin that played for the Naval Academy and in our family it was a big deal and we are diehard Notre Dame football fans as well. To say that Notre Dame doesn't have enough "mutual respect" for Navy because they don't play them at Navy is insulting to both Notre Dame and Navy. If it wasn't for Navy, there would be no Notre Dame and South Bend would be nothing more than a story in a history book.
And your comments about the debt of gratitude that "the debt has been paid a million times over." is so arrogant and it shows you really don't know the meaning of this series.
The reason this game is not played at Navy-Marine Corps Stadium is because the stadium only seats 34,000. Plus, there is no reason for Navy to have a stadium bigger than that because they don't play many big-name opponents.
For Navy, when it hosts the game every other year it is played at "neutral" sites because this is by far Navy's biggest gate every other year and it helps the Academy financially when they can fill a 75,000-seat stadium when they play Notre Dame. And it is a huge recruiting tool for the Naval Academy knowing it plays Notre Dame every year and they play them in NFL stadiums and for Navy players it is a big deal.
And it is rare for someone from the Naval Academy to play in the NFL. But these Navy guys are incredibly smart individuals. These Navy players were very good high school players that chose to have a career following football rather than pursue a dream of playing professionally.
There are college football fans that make fun of Notre Dame fans like myself every year because Notre Dame plays Navy. Yet, when one of these school's fan bases that make fun of Notre Dame takes on one of the military academies, they aren't laughing as much.
They are so relieved when it is over that they don't want to play them again. Ask Oklahoma and Michigan fans what it was like to play Army in 2018 and '19, respectively. They both had to sweat it out in OVERTIME to escape!! And name any other school that is a major player in college football that plays Navy or another service academy team EVERY year?
Now, that being said talent-wise Notre Dame clearly has an edge. But Navy runs a great system that starts when they get there and they play a Junior Varsity schedule against some of the other small colleges on the East Coast (navysports.com/sports/2021/7/21/2018-jv-football-schedule) . So they have at least two years of learning the system before they step up to the Varsity level. That is why they have been successful. But when it is all said and done, I sure as hell want these guys protecting my country!!
So before you disparage Notre Dame playing Navy, maybe you should spend a day in Annapolis and find out about what these guys go through each day. They have such a regimented schedule and everyone there must take part in a sport. Football is the easiest part of the day for these guys. There is not one class they have that is considered an "easy class".
And if you want to talk about the schedule, Navy belongs on this year's schedule more than some teams that are currently on the schedule.
Never
Sorry yall we owe navy forever for keeping notre dame still existing durring ww2 so we play them as long as they want.
Are you scared?
Yes. The debt has been paid, end the series.
every 4 years play in Ireland or San Diego hahaha
Time to stop fighting our military
I agree!!!
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I think it could be a good way to combine Navy and BC and play then back and forth every other year. We then can do a similar thing with Stanford and USC that we already kind of do.
No. USC must remain annual. You wanna rotate Stanford on a 3-4 year basis with maybe Purdue or MSU, or something like that, that may work.
its time to join the big ten
Yes they should continue having an annual game with Navy and Army. They've been a great rivalry. Navy saved ND back in the mid forties. I really do enjoy watching the games.
Ok, first of all it was the other way around, Naval contracts to use ND for Training & education, kept ND afloat during WWII.
The issue is that this game is a lose/lose proposition for ND almost every year.
Generally Navy is a much lower rated team. So beating them does nothing for SOS… the national trope on that is ‘It’s Navy, ND SHOULD best Navy but the potential to lose to Navy would destroy ND season. Plus with the Navy ‘Cut Block’ scheme it’s extremely dangerous to the ND lineman.
Secondly, ND doesn’t play Army on an annual basis, so that’s out, and the ramification of the win/lose proposition is the same as Navy. Win, so what, it’s Army, you should win. Lose and it’s ‘OMG ND MUST SUCK THEY LOST TO ARMY’ see, lose lose. I’d do Navy on an every other year home & home… maybe rotate Army in with another occasional ‘formerly traditional rival’ on a 3-5 year basis. The schedule needs to be more diverse with the current playoff format & selection process, the old school ‘stick with traditional rivals’ is the same as saying ‘I dont ever want to win another Natty’
🙄 as an ND grad, you should be ashamed for bringing up this topic! You know it’s NEVER going to change and the only people who care about this are NOT ND fans or graduates…like the dip sticks at ESPN. Every other “News” organization is will bring up this dumb topic because they are ignorant. I expected more of you! 😒😕🙄
Navy is a dirty team. Which ND DL will suffer season ending injury Saturday?
Dirty? They are undefeated, so is Army!
I'll bite: which ND DLs in recent years suffered "season ending injuries?"
Zero benefit playing Navy. Drop them.
Afraid ND might get beat!
Army and Navy are tuff well coached teams. Niw you want out. ND coach stinks, guy cant coach at all. Ten on field last year vs. OSU! Guy stinks and ND. Will go no place with him coaching!
SHIT CAN THE NAVY GAME TO ME ITS WORTH LESS😂🎉🎉