Buddy, you admitted to breaking the rules multiple times. That's why so many camp grounds get closed and why parks keep getting more regulations. Follow the rules just like everyone else.
I don’t understand why you can’t seem to understand? 14 days is 14 days ! The rules and laws are put in place, follow them. Nobody gets any special privileges. Just because you got by violating them in the past doesn’t make it right. It is just this type of behavior that makes us lose privedges and then everyone loses !
Well I will take the side of the 14 day limit because every time my husband and I travel and try to pull over and stay at a spot for a night it is always full. I will bet this is partly why - some full timers are abusing the 14 day limit and living on these spots for extended periods.
Even state campgrounds I have come across full timers who switch names ie use a different name to get another X days under a different reservation. Ran into this in a prime Coastal Campground. Ranger caught them and kicked them out. Its a location local and regional residents would do maybe a weekend a yr with the kids and it was probably 60/40 mix regional locals and thru travelers 2-4 days stays typically. But $35 a night for 28 days is a fraction of the cost of renting a house in the area. Ranger said over 40% of his sites were booked for the full length by the same people. Which is a big reason why it’s impossible to ever get a weekend there now. Locals hate it and rangers are fed up with the abuse.
14 day policy is to keep people from squatting. Sucks when they squat on a premium spot for an extended period. Sounds like the ranger was pretty understanding.
Why would you think you didn’t have to follow the same rules everyone has to follow ?? Dispersed Camping in Undeveloped Areas • Whether in a developed campground or at a dispersed site, you may usually camp in an area for up to 14 days before having to move at least 25 miles from your original spot. You may not return to that area for 28 consecutive days.
Because he got away with it so many times in the past, he felt he could do whatever he wants. Give someone an inch and they'll take that mile. Perhaps the first time he did it, he stayed a few days over and didn't get caught. Now he's up to staying for a month or more at a time. If he didn't get caught this time, he'd stay for half the year or more.
I am just going to tell you straight up and undiluted; you created this entire senario. You have camped for years and are familar with the 14 day stay. The problem here is that you have gotten away with it so many times; now you feel some sense of entitlement. This just adds fuel to the reasons why nomads have such a difficult time and feel the rules should be bent for them but no one else. Had you done what you were suppose to be doing all along, you would not have had this encounter. This sets a terrible example of what not to do. Plus the ranger was not giving you approval to stay as long as you want; its that you had a few remaining days to stay within your 14 days. The ranger did seem smug but regardless, you should of simply left on the 14th day and be appreciative that you had 14 days and not push your good fortune. Omg, even after getting to the next spot, that sign clearly said "ROAD CLOSED", but you just ignored it and was determined to have your way. I would not be suprised if you ran into trouble because of that. I have enjoyed your channel for a long time. You are very smart; creative and handy, but this surprised me. I hope you don't get offended by my honest comment.
You provided an honest reaction. His attitude was completely out of order. It's plain and simple: Follow the rules and stop acting like a child/diva. He knew the rules and he's gotten away with it for so long that he thinks just because I'm clean and nice, I should be able to stay as long as I want.
@@evecarrington562 It's unnerving to get caught (like a knock on a window while stealth camping) but rules are rules, regardless of how clean the camp and whether or not you've spent $$ in a local community. God knows Walmart corporate rues the day they decided to allow RVers, Van lifers and car dwellers to camp over night at their locations. The community comes up with a myriad of reasons (Oh we can report bad happenings overnight, or we spend money buying food and supplies that we'd have to buy anyway regardless of the camping policy) to justify the slides out, awnings flapping, bbq grill tailgate type activity and left over trash and spilled pee jugs in the morning. Just as best you can play by the rules , move on to the next lawful camp area and keep the area as clean or cleaner than you arrived..
You said that as it needed to be said. I enjoy Dave's videos and sharing he and Lefty's life. This is a solemn time. Things to refect upon, as our Society changes. Thank you.
LOL? Detour? The sign said “Road Closed”. Ranger: “You’re still here? Didn’t I mention the 14 day limit?” You: “You was serious about dat?” LOL. There seems to be a slight disconnect.
You're going to blame him now? You are the one staying more than 14 days. And when it says "Road Closed".......that's what it means. It doesn't say go ahead and we won't say anything. Sorry, my respect for you dropped a few points.
I’m confused. If there is a 14 day limit, there is a 14 day limit. Same like If a sign says no overnight parking, there is no overnight parking. If the sign says the road is closed it means don’t drive there the road is closed. A park near me once had a few basic rules for dogs like wearing a rabies tag. But so many people disregarded the rules you now have, on leash, rabies tag, paid for county dog license tag, restricted areas. So because some people avoided the rules now everyone has to deal with more rules. Animal Control stopped me and gave me a warning because my dog was wearing a harness and I had left her tags in my car. I knew the rules. I took the warning and moved on. It’s not my land.
@@MerwinARTist from what I’ve read, it’s 14 days at one location, then have to relocate at least 25 miles away. And I think you can’t go back to the first location for 30 days. Update: I did more research: what I stated above is for blm land, about relocating at least 25 miles. I went to the NFS website and looked at camping limitations for Kaibab and Coconino forests, they both say 14 days within a 30 day time frame and then have to leave said forest (not relocate within same forest, but to actually leave the forest you are in).
I work in a national forest. I frequently have to attempt to enforce the forestry rules. We live in a country that has chosen to limit its powers, though we know power can still be abused. There is an expectation of voluntary compliance with rules, but when people don't comply there is a greater chance of having to deal with enforcement. The powers that be need to try to equally apply the rules to all people to the best of their ability. I would much prefer that the people I interact with keep the very short list of rules that they are asked to keep, so that my life is not taken up with people who cannot govern themselves (drive the wrong way down or posted 1 way, won't pay the voluntary fees and posted in there windshield, won't put there fires out, won't keep their vicious dogs leashed. For every person who is not a bad actor who is just trying to enjoy the forest and have a nice experience, there are 1 or 2 groups of people who when they come around there's an increase in fighting, complaints, thefts, and drug activity. How can I enforce the rules on them but not on you? How can I get them to move along after 2 weeks if I'm going to selectively apply the law only to them and not to you? Would this be a just society? The way I see it, he had everything he needed to fine you and possibly a much worse experience, but he showed you mercy. During your 1st conversation he was attempting to show you more bark than bite hoping you would govern yourself and voluntarily comply. But his bark didn't work on you. You may not like me saying this, but some how in the world you inhabit, where you're the center of it, you thought that he was telling you he was just going to let you get by on following the rules, but that's not what he said and that's not what he meant.
You sir, have my deepest respect. I can only imagine the horrors of having to deal with people like this day in and day out. What's worse is that guy knowingly admits that he had no real plans on where he was going next, so he just assumed that he could stay as long as he wanted since he's done it in the past. I can't believe he had the attitude that the ranger may encounter someone who will "put him in his place" because they won't stand for him to enforce the rules. Why should rangers put up with such childish behavior? He even admits that he changed his story about how long he'd been there when questioned by the ranger. This kind of entitled attitude is just sickening. Learn to follow the rules so the ranger won't have a problem with you. Next time you may find yourself in jail cell with a hefty fine to pay.
If "The powers that be" were in compliance with their own rules the federal government would own the ten square miles of land called Washington DC, military bases and you would have a different career. Because like most government jobs yours is a waste of the taxpayers money.
@@infotoons212 you answer sounds like your avatar name… a mix of potentially real info and cartoon fantasies. Most modern day Americans would not want a “Survivor” scenario where, surrounded by a million acres of undeveloped forest, with no cell signal, and no civilization, they also have no law enforcement. People go into the forest to do all kinds of illegal things-that would be way worse way more dangerous for the public without law enforcement.
I'd say your attitude is what caught the rangers attention and your idiocy is what prompted the return trip and it won't be the last if this is how you and your dog conduct yourselves on public land.
I like your videos but man you got to follow the rules or we all end up paying the price. First you over stay at the first spot then drive past a road closed sign to get to the second spot not detour sign but road closed sign and you ignored it. Come on man
Sounds to me as if there may have been some miscommunication. Sounds as if he was saying he wasn’t gonna bother you again during your 14 day allotted period of time. Not that he wouldn’t bother you again if you go over on those days
Exactly! You should have left after 14 days and the sign said road closed at the new park which wasn't a detour it was a service road for the equipment to get to the other side it clearly said road closed to all others including you, then you let Lefty at the end terrorize some poor prairie dog in its own home as you come from miles and miles away to let him terrorize the animal on film. I bought a Lefty sticker a while ago and may send it back to you... I wrote a children's book about a prairie dog and I saw another video of you terrorizing them recently the one where you thought he was playing dead... How would you feel if a large bear came out of the woods and terrorized your ass for some good footage?
It keeps areas free for everyone's use. If they didnt have a limit locals could park their rigs all season and just show up when they wanted. People could set up and stay as if they lived there. It's a good use of the public land for everyone
And admitting when we're wrong is also what it means to be an adult and not a child. There's not reason to assume the ranger is a jerk for just doing his job.
I am preety sure there is a law also against letting your pup harass forest animals. FYI. I think from your description that the ranger was just doing his job. You were wrong and admitted you knew the rules. Then you drove on a road clearly marked closed. My take is you want to get away with what you can no matter the rules. Totally disenchanted with you.
A person's real self can't stay hidden from everyone for very long, huh? This level of entitlement being outwardly demonstrated is outrageous. He's doing the quiet part out loud, per usual these days! I'm so glad he got schooled. That he posted it gives me hope he's open to learning the lesson behind it.
Understand your frustration but you are taking advantage of public land, so you have to follow the rules, and the 14 day rule is a major reason I don't camp this way myself. your alternative is to pay for campgrounds, which not many of the van dwellers want to do. Fine, but then don't complain when asked to follow the 14. Now, on the other side, you and Lefty are great stewards of the land and are not leaving old cars, mattresses, beer cans, etc everywhere. I wish the forest service and blm would get off their asses and start enforcing and jailing some of these scum bags who are out there ruining it for people like you. If they boast about their satellite capability, they should be able to nail some of these serial offenders and polluters. It is a very serious problem all over the country, in every national forest.
I have always been wondering since I started watching your videos how you were able to stay in the same spot on public land for so long. Now I know - you have just been lucky so far. It does not surprise me you were asked to move. That is the rule. Since Covid there has been a huge surge in people living more full time on the road. Requiring everyone who uses public land to follow the rules gives more people opportunities to enjoy our public resources. Having to move to a new area every two weeks is the price we pay for the freedom of living the nomad life rent free on public land. I think it is a good rule and I am happy to see it being in forced. Your first post to TH-cam for this location that you have been asked to leave was on March 27th three weeks ago.
So you are mad that you got caught breaking the rules? You're not above the rules, just because you got away with it before. This is the wrong approach. And letting your dog terrorize wildlife is also a shitty thing to do. Do better, dude.
Wait, you don’t need to run into a ranger in order to follow the rules. It’s kind a like self policing the whole trash thing. You can’t complain about people leaving there trash and say that’s why they are closing the land down. Come on man! My wife and I are starting our conversion at the end of may we have known the rules for 4 years and we are not even out there yet. Come on. The sign says ROAD CLOSED! Your doing it again. What you think rules and signs don’t pertain to you? Unreal! Your one the ones going to close the land down.
Here's the deal. These forest cops are regular guys just trying to enforce laws ie. Do their jobs. The minute you admitted you were staying too long that's going to trigger his standard response. We know you're a good dude but he's excepting a paycheck to do what he has sworn to do. He thinks you're looking for special favors. As a law dog you're not allowed to play favs. I hope you don't let it bother you too much. These folks, men and women, are trying to protect the resource.
You know the rules, you think they don't apply to you. Lots of people have that privileged mentality, you use it. They got your plate n license now they'll be watching for you I guess.? Thousands of people go out an don't have to be babysitted an told to leave ,we share these resources with YOU, just wish you would share with US.
It’s your responsibility to know the laws, rules and regulations of every area and state you are in. If you have been doing this for a while you should know better. It’s just like if you fly to another country it’s YOUR responsibility to know the laws, rules and regulations of that country and what you can and can and cannot bring g into that country. So from here on in you might want to start looking at the rules for BLM land and national forests and anywhere else you decide to camp. Another example is if you go fishing you need to know what kind of fish you can keep,the size of it and limit of each river or lake you fish in. If there is an endangered fish in that waters you need to know about it. I didn’t know that is not an excuse because once again it’s your responsibility to know the rules and laws of the area you are in
I really think you need to look at this a little different. The 2 week law is in place for many reasons and just because you've "gotten away with it before" it's still not right that you abuse the 14 day stay limit. That pretty much goes for any law. If you have been speeding all your life but never been stopped doesn't make speeding OK. In my opinion you got off lucky by not getting fined for the over stay and you should plan on following the stay rules in the future or camp where there are no stay limits.
Rules are in place to prevent squatters from taking over our public lands and ruining it for everyone. 14 days is no big deal stay the limit and move on to the next spot for 14 days. Problem solved.
Why don’t people just follow the rules? If the limit is 14 days, it’s 14 days. That means you leave. It doesn’t mean it’s 14 days for everyone else except you. I dunno, seems pretty straightforward.
Just 1 day after being told I could be arrested for what I was doing, I most certainly would not tempt fate by driving past road closed signs and obvious road construction conditions to a new campsite. Sure hope you rethink your site choice 😉
Limits on camping on public lands keep people from squatting on a spot and living there all season long. In some areas, there are annual limits on top of consecutive day limits. Given the amount of trash that people have left behind, and the limited number of park staff, we’re lucky they allow as much dispersed camping as they do. The impact left behind by thoughtless and disrespectful people ruins a good thing for everyone.
There have been a few cases in the news recently where comments made on YT were used as evidence. If I was that Ranger and watched this video, I’d commit your face to memory and I wouldn’t doubt if your not on a watch list now. Rules are rules and the Ranger is only doing what the US Government pays him to do.
I don't think you had a relationship with the officer.....geesh. Rules are rules. I hope you kept your shovel handy to take care of the holes your dog digs, destruction of federal land.
I'm sorry ! You are wrong brother! It's your responsibility to know the laws and you need to do better. I totally dig you and your Chanel but you need to set better example because you are better, stay 14 or 21 days move then I believe the law is you can return but must look up the laws in that state and that forest! P.s sometimes some states you can stay in same forest but have to move so many miles from last camp.
Traditionally the National Parks and Federal Lands and State parks and lands “Rules” and Laws a huge part of enjoying them was under the understanding that you were to “follow” the Established Rules and Laws ie be a good custodian and self police your self. When the Feds have to police all that land to enforce the rules and laws they can, will and have simply closed access given visitors have proven they cannot self police and follow the rules/laws. 👍 That is also why you find EVERY Ranger looses patience fast when they see you know the Rules and laws and chose to not follow. Thats always been the way it was done.
Wow! I'm surprised at your outrage at the officer who gave you a warning without a penalty after you told him that you repeatedly were breaking Federal law. 14 days is the law and you were wrong, so quit whining and be grateful.
When the ranger talks to you about length of stay, you've been warned and you are now on countdown. Arizona seems to have a problem with squatters on public lands. As a result, BLM and the Forest Service patrol the more popular spots. Don't take it personally. And remember, most forests have 0-3 rangers. Stay further out and away from the popular areas and you'll likely see no ranger(s).
Sometimes they don’t talk to you. They will come by mark GPS location and vehicle license number down so they know who is there. I was told this by forestry personal
Agee with you Phil. Stay in low demand, remote places and no one will ask you to leave. Stay in a popular/preferred by the masses places, and you will get more visits from rangers policing for overstay issues. The C-Man didn't seem to be staying in a place very populated area. But then that area looks familiar and is about to get real populated. They are probably just getting out in front of it.
That’s like I’ve been going through this stop sign and never been stopped why now. 14 days is 14 days give or take a day. There are a lot of abusers who stay over and leave trash, not you☮️🌵
Back in the 90's I spent the summers bouncing around from state park to fed parks to private camp grounds and the rule is 2 weeks and has been for 30+ years . Sucks but that's the rule several private camps will let you camp longer if you are Decent clean camper but it's rare and it's because the state doesn't check them that often . Your on the list now . David as for it being a pain to move your a nomad what else you got to do , I wish I didn't have to pay for trash pickup at my house when I haul it off myself but that's the game we're all playing , Hug Lefty and let it roll off your back .
Given the huge increase of folks RVing, the new crowds and reservation limits at National Parks...I would think everyone in uniform is burned out and that includes the nice guys. So they're going to cut everyone less slack.
I know the area well. Head a bit further south towards the edge of Sycamore Canyon and it is beautiful country out there. That said, that entire area would be trashed if there was no 14 day rule; it should be saved for everyone to have a slice occasionally. I suspect the rancher was annoyed by the livestock being spooked, and everyone there is friends you know. And a closed road is a CLOSED ROAD, had the resource officer shown up there, which I'm sure he does on occasion, you very well may have been in the Flagstaff slammer. Also, some of the long-termers (violators) are known to self-stock the fishing waters there, and that is a wildlife management issue. Just because you commit a crime several times without getting caught does not invalidate the law.
It's painful to finally realize the rules apply to you as well. If I'm in your camp & go against your rules-you would have me leave as well!!! Rules are rules-oh-and the speed limit applies to you as well-in case you were not aware 🙄
Wow, you broke the law. You admitted to breaking the law in previous years. The ranger reminded you of the 14-day camping rule and you still violated it. And now you're upset at him for not giving you special treatment. Your little tirade at the end about how he was calling you a liar is laughable. You are a lawbreaker. What were you going to do? You were going to take on a man and his Kevlar vest and a firearm? You didn't have any ground to stand on. And then you come up on a road closure sign and what do you do? Rules don't apply to you apparently. And then you post it on TH-cam for the whole world to see how you are privileged and have special rights.
Seems like you were in a very nice spot. Maybe they set limits of 14 days so other folks can also enjoy that spot. So....why cant everyone just abide by the posted rules? If everyone just stayed several weeks everywhere they wanted to.....
He was just doing his job and you misunderstood what was meant when he said he "wasn't going to bother you". You should have clarified what that meant and did you indeed have to leave? Keep in mind that there are those that abuse the rules and keep other compliant people from enjoying the forest.
I totally agree; using the “cop-out” that someone is, “just doing their job” is garbage! Perhaps that person should find a job better suited for them, one that they actually enjoy. A person should take pride in what they do and do their best to help and encourage those around them and those they come in contact with, which starts off with a pleasant, “Hello” and should continue with a pleasant, courteous, and professional conversation. If there is an issue(s) they can usually and best be resolved through such professionalism, with compassion 😉
I've had rangers stop and remind me of the 14 days right after I pull in. Only time I broke that rule was when I had mechanical issues and was waiting for my appt with the local mechanic. Thankfully wasn't bothered by rangers that drove by me daily.
Sounds like the Ranger was lenient. Did you even consider that you had been breaking the law in the past & just now got caught? Almost like a consistent speeder who tries to get out of a speeding ticket because he got away with speeding in the past. The Ranger was doing his job.
Exactly. His excuse is that I've gotten away with in the past, so why bother me now. That's not an excuse to break the rules. ALL people have a right to have access to that land, not just him and his party. If they didn't enforce the rules, there's no telling how long he'd stay.
Right. No room for common sense anymore. Like, we’re others looking to get a site for the night/next two weeks?How about this. Illegals streaming across the border? Yet you exercise the letter of the law on peaceful campers. Just maybe some of them are looking for free spots. Bet nothing would be said then. Btw. I do 65 in a 65 and gaze on all those storming past me. None pulled over.
Road closed means road closed. You went anyhow. Could you be in trouble for trespassing on federal land. All I can say dude you think rules don't apply to you. It's always that few that ruins it for everyone else. So you're accusing him of lying. How do you know he's lying? You think you're entitled I guess.
Well, I still gave you a thumbs up but I am disappointed that you don't think the 14 day rule applies to you...if you did get arrested Lefty would be traumatized during your absence. Just returned from a month long exploration of the desert southwest and I don't like the idea of having to move every 2 weeks so I sympathize with the inconvenience but while the rules are in place we should follow them to the best of our ability.
Yeah I never would have thought you would be one to break the rules. 😳 Just don't overstay and when a sign says road closed don't go down it. Not following those rules makes it hard for the rest of us. Lefty is a cutie
David you knew dang well there is a two week limit. Those rules are there to protect you from the types of people you would feel uncomfortable living around. Our forests are being used more often than ever before, often by people who have no experience in the outdoors, they are just being careful and as fair as they can be. You didn't explain it right if you were expecting sympathy. Maybe the reality is is that Nomads find spots they can stay longer than is permitted if no authority is around all the time. Its normal. But what do they preach to you from all the channels? Move! Move when your time is up. Like you said, it was just 27 miles down the road. Took longer to break camp than it did to drive to the next camping spot.
There was no way he could explain this to get sympathy. He was in the wrong and he freely admits that he's done this before. There's no excuse for breaking the rules when you know what they are. He wanted to settle in and stay as long as he wanted and that's not fair when others have fair right to a nice camp site as well. That ranger was well within his rights.
Crazy kinda. I think limits are limits. I have been to many places and couldn’t find a spot even for a night because every spot was taken by squatters. Even in designated spots. Later, it was completely locked up and closed. More than a few times. Alternatively, I’ve spent 2-3 days picking up nails and garbage. I feel like my time should start after I’m done cleaning. Thanks for sharing. 🤗 I hope you did not tell him where you were going.
I don't have a problem with a ranger enforcing a 2 week stay length as long as they don't take sympathy on someone's sob story that has a nasty camp and has all kinds of excuses as to why they cant move on. Often times too many of us who actually follow the leave no trace rules get hassled more than someone who has a million excuses about their lives.
While you only see a certain angle of a struggling person's life, try to remember that those "million reasons" was a pile too heavy for them to stay "normal". It's never just one thing for anyone, is it?
If you’ve never been bothered, it’s because the NFS/BLM are short staffed and they worked on other projects with limited resources. If you’re starting to be bothered now, it’s because priorities are shifting due to things like garbage left behind, illegal ORV use, etc. They’re not singling you out, just enforcing the rules that have always been there. If you want to stay in an area for a season, consider beckoning a volunteer camp host for the NFS/NPS. A season of that and you’ll understand what the problems are all about. If you move around, more communities will benefit from the services you use while passing through town.
With more and more BLM and national forest camp sites being closed because people refuse to follow the rules its best to follow them or it won’t be long and their won’t be any place left to camp for free. The national parks are near impossible to book a camp site anymore and the facilities there are falling apart, while state parks are all jumping on the bandwagon to charge out of state campers $40 to $60 more per day and don’t give senior citizens discounts to out of state campers. I am sure if you had to stay in private camp grounds it wouldn’t take long to come to the conclusion this life style isn’t working anymore.
It's how a nomad/ vehicle dweller camps without a trace. By following the rules no matter the supervision or lack theteof. So your actions are impeccable. Thus beyond reproach. Discipline = Freedom.
14 days means 14 days that’s the law for that area. Those guys dress the way they due because they do not know who they might meet out there. It’s for their safety. Some times the people are not so nice of people out there.
Its becoming a big problem for long term RV parking/storage and yes the trashy full timers staying way too long. FED Law is 14 days nothing changes that. Just follow it and they can focus their super limited resources on the problems of which they have allot more today than 3 yrs ago. Unfortunately
Just some thoughts. You get to live a great lifestyle, but there are times where it leaves you choice-less. There is presently a serious problem with too many bad actors on BLM land. Rangers can't remedy that kind of trouble without ruffling a few feathers. I'd consider letting it go and maybe use that info to your advantage. I'd consider sticking to the rules while on Federal Land. Oh, and the farther outback you travel, the fewer human hassles you have.
Unfortunately you need to know all the rules and you just need to move on .it’s time for a new site in other blm land Stay safe and protect yourself and Lefty. It’s not worth arguing with the Ranger.
I was just north of Williams and the rangers came thru and made many people move that were over 14 days. I think there using satellite images. In one area outside Flagstaff I saw US forestry flying a drone I suspect for enforcement. Never saw much enforcement prior to fall-winter 2021. They are definitely cracking down!
Also if someone does not leave they can also tow the camper, rv, Van or whatever vehicle they are camped in. With they way our country’s inflation and people are becoming homeless more people on the for free camping. That’s why he’s there. They have to enforce the rules or it would turn into a dump. Know the laws and rules. Very simple
Just an idea. Turn on your location history in google. This way if you get a ranger that wants to make up stuff you can open it up and prove when you were there
Thanks Tanya - I do keep a travel calendar with dates and locations recorded. It used to be hard to remember where we'd been so I started the calendar 2 years ago.
that's a bad sign I know here in town there are several large rv one at the Safeway and two at another spot obviously broken down with squatters living in them for at least six months now it makes as all look bad
Kevin and Julia here....sorry you had to go through that brother. Have you ever thought about camping up in North Central/North West Pennsylvania (Clinton and Cameron Counties)? Routes 872, 144, 120, and 6. We go up in April and October...it's beautiful up there, quiet you won't see many people and you won't get kicked out. There is a fresh water spring up off this one road where we stay. We have been going up since 2006, we pack up our F350 with our dual sports and ride gear and stay in our buddies cabin for about 2 weeks. You should put it on your itinerary some time. We have friend that lives in New York and he comes down and rides there all the time. Lucky would love it🙂 If you want to know more let me know.
Have you ever considered buying some cheap vacant land for the day they decide that public land which belongs to the public will be banned from or be very restricted to human use. I see this happening sooner than later and having some cheap acreage where you have the ability to go to if need be would be nice.
This is one I side with the law enforcement ranger. Too many issues with semi-permanent stay individuals who do not take care of their spots and abuse their welcome. You’re a good guy but you may want to better pick your battles. I note you pulled in well over two weeks ago, so there’s that.
Simple miscommunication. Could’ve been handled better. All is well. Rules are rules for everyone. Had a lucky streak for a while. I’ve always moved without any prodding. It’s annoying but I’m not a "people person" since 2019🤫New smells for Lucky. Enjoy!
Well, at least Coconino was close by! - some of the most beautiful land in this country, imho. I remember being amazed at how quickly the flash thunderstorms in the afternoon would get totally sucked up in minutes and the land would look like nothing happened. Sounds like if you like that area, you would have to find a 3rd forest in reasonable range and rotate between them? Thanks for sharing the story, the insights and the views.
Buddy, you admitted to breaking the rules multiple times. That's why so many camp grounds get closed and why parks keep getting more regulations. Follow the rules just like everyone else.
I don’t understand why you can’t seem to understand? 14 days is 14 days ! The rules and laws are put in place, follow them. Nobody gets any special privileges. Just because you got by violating them in the past doesn’t make it right. It is just this type of behavior that makes us lose privedges and then everyone loses !
Enjoy the site while you are there during your 14 days and then move on so someone else can enjoy that spot.
Well I will take the side of the 14 day limit because every time my husband and I travel and try to pull over and stay at a spot for a night it is always full. I will bet this is partly why - some full timers are abusing the 14 day limit and living on these spots for extended periods.
Even state campgrounds I have come across full timers who switch names ie use a different name to get another X days under a different reservation. Ran into this in a prime Coastal Campground. Ranger caught them and kicked them out. Its a location local and regional residents would do maybe a weekend a yr with the kids and it was probably 60/40 mix regional locals and thru travelers 2-4 days stays typically. But $35 a night for 28 days is a fraction of the cost of renting a house in the area. Ranger said over 40% of his sites were booked for the full length by the same people. Which is a big reason why it’s impossible to ever get a weekend there now. Locals hate it and rangers are fed up with the abuse.
14 day policy is to keep people from squatting. Sucks when they squat on a premium spot for an extended period. Sounds like the ranger was pretty understanding.
I don't understand why you think you'd be exempt from the rules. The free camping is a privilege. It isn't an entitlement.
Why would you think you didn’t have to follow the same rules everyone has to follow ??
Dispersed Camping in Undeveloped Areas
• Whether in a developed campground or at a dispersed site, you may usually camp in an area for up to 14 days before having to move at least 25 miles from your original spot. You may not return to that area for 28 consecutive days.
Because he got away with it so many times in the past, he felt he could do whatever he wants. Give someone an inch and they'll take that mile. Perhaps the first time he did it, he stayed a few days over and didn't get caught. Now he's up to staying for a month or more at a time. If he didn't get caught this time, he'd stay for half the year or more.
I am just going to tell you straight up and undiluted; you created this entire senario. You have camped for years and are familar with the 14 day stay. The problem here is that you have gotten away with it so many times; now you feel some sense of entitlement. This just adds fuel to the reasons why nomads have such a difficult time and feel the rules should be bent for them but no one else. Had you done what you were suppose to be doing all along, you would not have had this encounter. This sets a terrible example of what not to do. Plus the ranger was not giving you approval to stay as long as you want; its that you had a few remaining days to stay within your 14 days. The ranger did seem smug but regardless, you should of simply left on the 14th day and be appreciative that you had 14 days and not push your good fortune. Omg, even after getting to the next spot, that sign clearly said "ROAD CLOSED", but you just ignored it and was determined to have your way. I would not be suprised if you ran into trouble because of that. I have enjoyed your channel for a long time. You are very smart; creative and handy, but this surprised me. I hope you don't get offended by my honest comment.
You provided an honest reaction. His attitude was completely out of order. It's plain and simple: Follow the rules and stop acting like a child/diva. He knew the rules and he's gotten away with it for so long that he thinks just because I'm clean and nice, I should be able to stay as long as I want.
@@evecarrington562 It's unnerving to get caught (like a knock on a window while stealth camping) but rules are rules, regardless of how clean the camp and whether or not you've spent $$ in a local community. God knows Walmart corporate rues the day they decided to allow RVers, Van lifers and car dwellers to camp over night at their locations. The community comes up with a myriad of reasons (Oh we can report bad happenings overnight, or we spend money buying food and supplies that we'd have to buy anyway regardless of the camping policy) to justify the slides out, awnings flapping, bbq grill tailgate type activity and left over trash and spilled pee jugs in the morning. Just as best you can play by the rules , move on to the next lawful camp area and keep the area as clean or cleaner than you arrived..
Yes you are so correct, we can't find camping for a weekend because of the gypsies. The
You said that as it needed to be said. I enjoy Dave's videos and sharing he and Lefty's life.
This is a solemn time. Things to refect upon, as our Society changes.
Thank you.
LOL? Detour? The sign said “Road Closed”. Ranger: “You’re still here? Didn’t I mention the 14 day limit?” You: “You was serious about dat?” LOL. There seems to be a slight disconnect.
You're going to blame him now? You are the one staying more than 14 days. And when it says "Road Closed".......that's what it means. It doesn't say go ahead and we won't say anything. Sorry, my respect for you dropped a few points.
I’m confused. If there is a 14 day limit, there is a 14 day limit. Same like If a sign says no overnight parking, there is no overnight parking. If the sign says the road is closed it means don’t drive there the road is closed. A park near me once had a few basic rules for dogs like wearing a rabies tag. But so many people disregarded the rules you now have, on leash, rabies tag, paid for county dog license tag, restricted areas. So because some people avoided the rules now everyone has to deal with more rules. Animal Control stopped me and gave me a warning because my dog was wearing a harness and I had left her tags in my car. I knew the rules. I took the warning and moved on. It’s not my land.
Thank you for the civil and honest reply. If I break the rules, I'm willing to accept my punishment because I knew better and I didn't do better.
I agree he said it had a sign that stated road closed. Why would you proceed to go that way. I feel that is going against the rules.
@@karenminckler4198 maybe because he thinks he’s above the law?
I’m constantly doing this thing called what ever I want and at 54 I’m getting better and better at it
14 day policy. He didn’t give you the ok to stay past 14 days.
Other Nomads will confer that 2 weeks is the max in any National Forest
@@MerwinARTist from what I’ve read, it’s 14 days at one location, then have to relocate at least 25 miles away. And I think you can’t go back to the first location for 30 days.
Update: I did more research: what I stated above is for blm land, about relocating at least 25 miles. I went to the NFS website and looked at camping limitations for Kaibab and Coconino forests, they both say 14 days within a 30 day time frame and then have to leave said forest (not relocate within same forest, but to actually leave the forest you are in).
This is why I keep a log book listing arrivals, departures, dates, odometer reading, & other items of interest.
Would get him in trouble as he admitted he overstays.
I work in a national forest. I frequently have to attempt to enforce the forestry rules. We live in a country that has chosen to limit its powers, though we know power can still be abused. There is an expectation of voluntary compliance with rules, but when people don't comply there is a greater chance of having to deal with enforcement. The powers that be need to try to equally apply the rules to all people to the best of their ability. I would much prefer that the people I interact with keep the very short list of rules that they are asked to keep, so that my life is not taken up with people who cannot govern themselves (drive the wrong way down or posted 1 way, won't pay the voluntary fees and posted in there windshield, won't put there fires out, won't keep their vicious dogs leashed. For every person who is not a bad actor who is just trying to enjoy the forest and have a nice experience, there are 1 or 2 groups of people who when they come around there's an increase in fighting, complaints, thefts, and drug activity. How can I enforce the rules on them but not on you? How can I get them to move along after 2 weeks if I'm going to selectively apply the law only to them and not to you? Would this be a just society? The way I see it, he had everything he needed to fine you and possibly a much worse experience, but he showed you mercy. During your 1st conversation he was attempting to show you more bark than bite hoping you would govern yourself and voluntarily comply. But his bark didn't work on you. You may not like me saying this, but some how in the world you inhabit, where you're the center of it, you thought that he was telling you he was just going to let you get by on following the rules, but that's not what he said and that's not what he meant.
You sir, have my deepest respect. I can only imagine the horrors of having to deal with people like this day in and day out. What's worse is that guy knowingly admits that he had no real plans on where he was going next, so he just assumed that he could stay as long as he wanted since he's done it in the past. I can't believe he had the attitude that the ranger may encounter someone who will "put him in his place" because they won't stand for him to enforce the rules. Why should rangers put up with such childish behavior? He even admits that he changed his story about how long he'd been there when questioned by the ranger. This kind of entitled attitude is just sickening. Learn to follow the rules so the ranger won't have a problem with you. Next time you may find yourself in jail cell with a hefty fine to pay.
How long before you can come back?
@@crzyruskie86 In the forest where I work the limit is 14 days within a 30 day timeframe.
If "The powers that be" were in compliance with their own rules the federal government would own the ten square miles of land called Washington DC, military bases and you would have a different career. Because like most government jobs yours is a waste of the taxpayers money.
@@infotoons212 you answer sounds like your avatar name… a mix of potentially real info and cartoon fantasies. Most modern day Americans would not want a “Survivor” scenario where, surrounded by a million acres of undeveloped forest, with no cell signal, and no civilization, they also have no law enforcement. People go into the forest to do all kinds of illegal things-that would be way worse way more dangerous for the public without law enforcement.
I'd say your attitude is what caught the rangers attention and your idiocy is what prompted the return trip and it won't be the last if this is how you and your dog conduct yourselves on public land.
I like your videos but man you got to follow the rules or we all end up paying the price. First you over stay at the first spot then drive past a road closed sign to get to the second spot not detour sign but road closed sign and you ignored it. Come on man
the 2 week rule is to give others opertunity to camp in that spot !
Sounds to me as if there may have been some miscommunication. Sounds as if he was saying he wasn’t gonna bother you again during your 14 day allotted period of time. Not that he wouldn’t bother you again if you go over on those days
Exactly! You should have left after 14 days and the sign said road closed at the new park which wasn't a detour it was a service road for the equipment to get to the other side it clearly said road closed to all others including you, then you let Lefty at the end terrorize some poor prairie dog in its own home as you come from miles and miles away to let him terrorize the animal on film. I bought a Lefty sticker a while ago and may send it back to you... I wrote a children's book about a prairie dog and I saw another video of you terrorizing them recently the one where you thought he was playing dead... How would you feel if a large bear came out of the woods and terrorized your ass for some good footage?
It keeps areas free for everyone's use. If they didnt have a limit locals could park their rigs all season and just show up when they wanted. People could set up and stay as if they lived there. It's a good use of the public land for everyone
As someone has already stated, just follow the rules. And don't justify yourself. Admitting when we are wrong is mortifying. But it's important.
And admitting when we're wrong is also what it means to be an adult and not a child. There's not reason to assume the ranger is a jerk for just doing his job.
I am preety sure there is a law also against letting your pup harass forest animals. FYI. I think from your description that the ranger was just doing his job. You were wrong and admitted you knew the rules. Then you drove on a road clearly marked closed. My take is you want to get away with what you can no matter the rules. Totally disenchanted with you.
A person's real self can't stay hidden from everyone for very long, huh? This level of entitlement being outwardly demonstrated is outrageous. He's doing the quiet part out loud, per usual these days! I'm so glad he got schooled. That he posted it gives me hope he's open to learning the lesson behind it.
Understand your frustration but you are taking advantage of public land, so you have to follow the rules, and the 14 day rule is a major reason I don't camp this way myself. your alternative is to pay for campgrounds, which not many of the van dwellers want to do. Fine, but then don't complain when asked to follow the 14. Now, on the other side, you and Lefty are great stewards of the land and are not leaving old cars, mattresses, beer cans, etc everywhere. I wish the forest service and blm would get off their asses and start enforcing and jailing some of these scum bags who are out there ruining it for people like you. If they boast about their satellite capability, they should be able to nail some of these serial offenders and polluters. It is a very serious problem all over the country, in every national forest.
If to many people brake the rules it makes it hard on the rest and sometimes they close camping all together
I have always been wondering since I started watching your videos how you were able to stay in the same spot on public land for so long. Now I know - you have just been lucky so far. It does not surprise me you were asked to move. That is the rule. Since Covid there has been a huge surge in people living more full time on the road. Requiring everyone who uses public land to follow the rules gives more people opportunities to enjoy our public resources. Having to move to a new area every two weeks is the price we pay for the freedom of living the nomad life rent free on public land. I think it is a good rule and I am happy to see it being in forced. Your first post to TH-cam for this location that you have been asked to leave was on March 27th three weeks ago.
I totally agree. Lynett. I feel so fortunate that BLM land still exists even though I don’t use it.
I am glad this situation was without incident.
Thank you for speaking what lots who see this will feel, but not take the time to type it all out.
So you are mad that you got caught breaking the rules? You're not above the rules, just because you got away with it before. This is the wrong approach. And letting your dog terrorize wildlife is also a shitty thing to do. Do better, dude.
Wait, you don’t need to run into a ranger in order to follow the rules. It’s kind a like self policing the whole trash thing. You can’t complain about people leaving there trash and say that’s why they are closing the land down. Come on man! My wife and I are starting our conversion at the end of may we have known the rules for 4 years and we are not even out there yet. Come on. The sign says ROAD CLOSED! Your doing it again. What you think rules and signs don’t pertain to you? Unreal! Your one the ones going to close the land down.
You are a fool. Where are the rules for all the people camping in the cities. According to you rules should apply to everyone.Duh!!!
Here's the deal. These forest cops are regular guys just trying to enforce laws ie. Do their jobs. The minute you admitted you were staying too long that's going to trigger his standard response. We know you're a good dude but he's excepting a paycheck to do what he has sworn to do. He thinks you're looking for special favors. As a law dog you're not allowed to play favs. I hope you don't let it bother you too much. These folks, men and women, are trying to protect the resource.
Watched the ending. Did you not see the Road Closed sign? When you start to leave there may be absolutely no road to leave on!
You know the rules, you think they don't apply to you. Lots of people have that privileged mentality, you use it. They got your plate n license now they'll be watching for you I guess.?
Thousands of people go out an don't have to be babysitted an told to leave ,we share these resources with YOU, just wish you would share with US.
that was a really long winded way of saying you broke the 14 day rule. Love your videos but Jeebus dude, the rules apply to all of us.
It’s your responsibility to know the laws, rules and regulations of every area and state you are in. If you have been doing this for a while you should know better. It’s just like if you fly to another country it’s YOUR responsibility to know the laws, rules and regulations of that country and what you can and can and cannot bring g into that country. So from here on in you might want to start looking at the rules for BLM land and national forests and anywhere else you decide to camp. Another example is if you go fishing you need to know what kind of fish you can keep,the size of it and limit of each river or lake you fish in. If there is an endangered fish in that waters you need to know about it. I didn’t know that is not an excuse because once again it’s your responsibility to know the rules and laws of the area you are in
I really think you need to look at this a little different. The 2 week law is in place for many reasons and just because you've "gotten away with it before" it's still not right that you abuse the 14 day stay limit. That pretty much goes for any law. If you have been speeding all your life but never been stopped doesn't make speeding OK. In my opinion you got off lucky by not getting fined for the over stay and you should plan on following the stay rules in the future or camp where there are no stay limits.
Rules are for everyone, and we all need to abide by them...
Rules are in place to prevent squatters from taking over our public lands and ruining it for everyone. 14 days is no big deal stay the limit and move on to the next spot for 14 days. Problem solved.
Sounds like you have been breaking the 14 day limit for awhile now and finally got caught and told to move on so someone else can enjoy that area!
Next Episode: We Drove In A Closed Road And Now There's A Big Trench And We Can't Get Out...
Sometimes we can actually see karma in action. 😉
Why don’t people just follow the rules? If the limit is 14 days, it’s 14 days. That means you leave. It doesn’t mean it’s 14 days for everyone else except you. I dunno, seems pretty straightforward.
Just 1 day after being told I could be arrested for what I was doing, I most certainly would not tempt fate by driving past road closed signs and obvious road construction conditions to a new campsite. Sure hope you rethink your site choice 😉
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Limits on camping on public lands keep people from squatting on a spot and living there all season long.
In some areas, there are annual limits on top of consecutive day limits.
Given the amount of trash that people have left behind, and the limited number of park staff, we’re lucky they allow as much dispersed camping as they do. The impact left behind by thoughtless and disrespectful people ruins a good thing for everyone.
There have been a few cases in the news recently where comments made on YT were used as evidence. If I was that Ranger and watched this video, I’d commit your face to memory and I wouldn’t doubt if your not on a watch list now. Rules are rules and the Ranger is only doing what the US Government pays him to do.
Seems the ranger was just doing his job, and you weren’t exactly unaware of the stay limit.
I agree. He knew the rules and is trying to make excuses for his bad behavior. Stay the 14 days, then leave.
I don't think you had a relationship with the officer.....geesh. Rules are rules. I hope you kept your shovel handy to take care of the holes your dog digs, destruction of federal land.
I'm sorry ! You are wrong brother! It's your responsibility to know the laws and you need to do better. I totally dig you and your Chanel but you need to set better example because you are better, stay 14 or 21 days move then I believe the law is you can return but must look up the laws in that state and that forest! P.s sometimes some states you can stay in same forest but have to move so many miles from last camp.
Traditionally the National Parks and Federal Lands and State parks and lands “Rules” and Laws a huge part of enjoying them was under the understanding that you were to “follow” the Established Rules and Laws ie be a good custodian and self police your self. When the Feds have to police all that land to enforce the rules and laws they can, will and have simply closed access given visitors have proven they cannot self police and follow the rules/laws. 👍
That is also why you find EVERY Ranger looses patience fast when they see you know the Rules and laws and chose to not follow.
Thats always been the way it was done.
Wow! I'm surprised at your outrage at the officer who gave you a warning without a penalty after you told him that you repeatedly were breaking Federal law. 14 days is the law and you were wrong, so quit whining and be grateful.
When the ranger talks to you about length of stay, you've been warned and you are now on countdown. Arizona seems to have a problem with squatters on public lands. As a result, BLM and the Forest Service patrol the more popular spots. Don't take it personally. And remember, most forests have 0-3 rangers. Stay further out and away from the popular areas and you'll likely see no ranger(s).
Sometimes they don’t talk to you. They will come by mark GPS location and vehicle license number down so they know who is there. I was told this by forestry personal
Moral of the story if you see Forest service Patrol say bye-bye on the 14th day the extra drama just not worth it
That was my thought too.. The ranger probably meant "I won't bother you until your 14 days is up". Then your name goes up on a "Wanted Poster".
Agee with you Phil. Stay in low demand, remote places and no one will ask you to leave. Stay in a popular/preferred by the masses places, and you will get more visits from rangers policing for overstay issues. The C-Man didn't seem to be staying in a place very populated area. But then that area looks familiar and is about to get real populated. They are probably just getting out in front of it.
That’s like I’ve been going through this stop sign and never been stopped why now. 14 days is 14 days give or take a day. There are a lot of abusers who stay over and leave trash, not you☮️🌵
Back in the 90's I spent the summers bouncing around from state park to fed parks to private camp grounds and the rule is 2 weeks and has been for 30+ years . Sucks but that's the rule several private camps will let you camp longer if you are Decent clean camper but it's rare and it's because the state doesn't check them that often . Your on the list now . David as for it being a pain to move your a nomad what else you got to do , I wish I didn't have to pay for trash pickup at my house when I haul it off myself but that's the game we're all playing , Hug Lefty and let it roll off your back .
I don't know to me, two weeks is two weeks... time to move on.
Given the huge increase of folks RVing, the new crowds and reservation limits at National Parks...I would think everyone in uniform is burned out and that includes the nice guys. So they're going to cut everyone less slack.
I know the area well. Head a bit further south towards the edge of Sycamore Canyon and it is beautiful country out there. That said, that entire area would be trashed if there was no 14 day rule; it should be saved for everyone to have a slice occasionally. I suspect the rancher was annoyed by the livestock being spooked, and everyone there is friends you know. And a closed road is a CLOSED ROAD, had the resource officer shown up there, which I'm sure he does on occasion, you very well may have been in the Flagstaff slammer. Also, some of the long-termers (violators) are known to self-stock the fishing waters there, and that is a wildlife management issue. Just because you commit a crime several times without getting caught does not invalidate the law.
It's painful to finally realize the rules apply to you as well. If I'm in your camp & go against your rules-you would have me leave as well!!! Rules are rules-oh-and the speed limit applies to you as well-in case you were not aware 🙄
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Wow, you broke the law. You admitted to breaking the law in previous years. The ranger reminded you of the 14-day camping rule and you still violated it. And now you're upset at him for not giving you special treatment.
Your little tirade at the end about how he was calling you a liar is laughable. You are a lawbreaker. What were you going to do? You were going to take on a man and his Kevlar vest and a firearm? You didn't have any ground to stand on.
And then you come up on a road closure sign and what do you do? Rules don't apply to you apparently. And then you post it on TH-cam for the whole world to see how you are privileged and have special rights.
Seems like you were in a very nice spot. Maybe they set limits of 14 days so other folks can also enjoy that spot. So....why cant everyone just abide by the posted rules? If everyone just stayed several weeks everywhere they wanted to.....
Yeah, the place sure looked crowded.
He was just doing his job and you misunderstood what was meant when he said he "wasn't going to bother you". You should have clarified what that meant and did you indeed have to leave? Keep in mind that there are those that abuse the rules and keep other compliant people from enjoying the forest.
Just doing his job is the biggest bull crap line people use to bother other people.
I totally agree; using the “cop-out” that someone is, “just doing their job” is garbage! Perhaps that person should find a job better suited for them, one that they actually enjoy. A person should take pride in what they do and do their best to help and encourage those around them and those they come in contact with, which starts off with a pleasant, “Hello” and should continue with a pleasant, courteous, and professional conversation. If there is an issue(s) they can usually and best be resolved through such professionalism, with compassion 😉
YOU BROKE THE RULES . ASSUME THE CONSEQUENCES!!!!
I've had rangers stop and remind me of the 14 days right after I pull in. Only time I broke that rule was when I had mechanical issues and was waiting for my appt with the local mechanic. Thankfully wasn't bothered by rangers that drove by me daily.
Sounds like the Ranger was lenient. Did you even consider that you had been breaking the law in the past & just now got caught? Almost like a consistent speeder who tries to get out of a speeding ticket because he got away with speeding in the past. The Ranger was doing his job.
Exactly. His excuse is that I've gotten away with in the past, so why bother me now. That's not an excuse to break the rules. ALL people have a right to have access to that land, not just him and his party. If they didn't enforce the rules, there's no telling how long he'd stay.
Right. No room for common sense anymore. Like, we’re others looking to get a site for the night/next two weeks?How about this. Illegals streaming across the border? Yet you exercise the letter of the law on peaceful campers. Just maybe some of them are looking for free spots. Bet nothing would be said then. Btw. I do 65 in a 65 and gaze on all those storming past me. None pulled over.
The 14 day rule is The Rule. Safe travels and enjoy the next adventure for 14 days.
Road closed means road closed. You went anyhow. Could you be in trouble for trespassing on federal land. All I can say dude you think rules don't apply to you. It's always that few that ruins it for everyone else. So you're accusing him of lying. How do you know he's lying? You think you're entitled I guess.
There was road closed and detour ahead signs so that the road was still accessible. They took the closed sign down the following day too.
Well, I still gave you a thumbs up but I am disappointed that you don't think the 14 day rule applies to you...if you did get arrested Lefty would be traumatized during your absence. Just returned from a month long exploration of the desert southwest and I don't like the idea of having to move every 2 weeks so I sympathize with the inconvenience but while the rules are in place we should follow them to the best of our ability.
Welp... even if the ranger didn't say anything, I would have planned to move after 2 weeks....
I’m sure there’s increased demand so staying within the 14 day restriction is a good idea.
You knew better!!!
Yeah I never would have thought you would be one to break the rules. 😳
Just don't overstay and when a sign says road closed don't go down it. Not following those rules makes it hard for the rest of us.
Lefty is a cutie
Well, after only being into the video 2 minutes & reading some of the honest fyi comments, all I can say is live & learn man, live & learn.
Rules are rules. 14 days is reasonable. No exceptions.
David you knew dang well there is a two week limit. Those rules are there to protect you from the types of people you would feel uncomfortable living around. Our forests are being used more often than ever before, often by people who have no experience in the outdoors, they are just being careful and as fair as they can be. You didn't explain it right if you were expecting sympathy. Maybe the reality is is that Nomads find spots they can stay longer than is permitted if no authority is around all the time. Its normal. But what do they preach to you from all the channels? Move! Move when your time is up. Like you said, it was just 27 miles down the road. Took longer to break camp than it did to drive to the next camping spot.
There was no way he could explain this to get sympathy. He was in the wrong and he freely admits that he's done this before. There's no excuse for breaking the rules when you know what they are. He wanted to settle in and stay as long as he wanted and that's not fair when others have fair right to a nice camp site as well. That ranger was well within his rights.
Crazy kinda. I think limits are limits. I have been to many places and couldn’t find a spot even for a night because every spot was taken by squatters. Even in designated spots. Later, it was completely locked up and closed. More than a few times. Alternatively, I’ve spent 2-3 days picking up nails and garbage. I feel like my time should start after I’m done cleaning. Thanks for sharing. 🤗 I hope you did not tell him where you were going.
I don't have a problem with a ranger enforcing a 2 week stay length as long as they don't take sympathy on someone's sob story that has a nasty camp and has all kinds of excuses as to why they cant move on. Often times too many of us who actually follow the leave no trace rules get hassled more than someone who has a million excuses about their lives.
While you only see a certain angle of a struggling person's life, try to remember that those "million reasons" was a pile too heavy for them to stay "normal". It's never just one thing for anyone, is it?
If you’ve never been bothered, it’s because the NFS/BLM are short staffed and they worked on other projects with limited resources. If you’re starting to be bothered now, it’s because priorities are shifting due to things like garbage left behind, illegal ORV use, etc. They’re not singling you out, just enforcing the rules that have always been there.
If you want to stay in an area for a season, consider beckoning a volunteer camp host for the NFS/NPS. A season of that and you’ll understand what the problems are all about.
If you move around, more communities will benefit from the services you use while passing through town.
With more and more BLM and national forest camp sites being closed because people refuse to follow the rules its best to follow them or it won’t be long and their won’t be any place left to camp for free. The national parks are near impossible to book a camp site anymore and the facilities there are falling apart, while state parks are all jumping on the bandwagon to charge out of state campers $40 to $60 more per day and don’t give senior citizens discounts to out of state campers. I am sure if you had to stay in private camp grounds it wouldn’t take long to come to the conclusion this life style isn’t working anymore.
So, your new location has a 14 day limit, too, I assume. I didn't hear you say anything about that.
It's how a nomad/ vehicle dweller camps without a trace. By following the rules no matter the supervision or lack theteof. So your actions are impeccable. Thus beyond reproach.
Discipline = Freedom.
The number one rule in van club... 😁
14 days means 14 days that’s the law for that area. Those guys dress the way they due because they do not know who they might meet out there. It’s for their safety. Some times the people are not so nice of people out there.
14 day limit...why not just follow the rules! I feel bad for these rangers that have to constantly deal with this crap.
No joke. The ranger has my sympathy.
Its becoming a big problem for long term RV parking/storage and yes the trashy full timers staying way too long. FED Law is 14 days nothing changes that. Just follow it and they can focus their super limited resources on the problems of which they have allot more today than 3 yrs ago. Unfortunately
Last moments of Lefty "gettin it on " ...dirt diggin moment of bliss. Priceless.. Thanks Dave
Just some thoughts.
You get to live a great lifestyle, but there are times where it leaves you choice-less.
There is presently a serious problem with too many bad actors on BLM land. Rangers can't remedy that kind of trouble without ruffling a few feathers. I'd consider letting it go and maybe use that info to your advantage.
I'd consider sticking to the rules while on Federal Land.
Oh, and the farther outback you travel, the fewer human hassles you have.
Unfortunately you need to know all the rules and you just need to move on .it’s time for a new site in other blm land
Stay safe and protect yourself and Lefty. It’s not worth arguing with the Ranger.
I was just north of Williams and the rangers came thru and made many people move that were over 14 days. I think there using satellite images. In one area outside Flagstaff I saw US forestry flying a drone I suspect for enforcement. Never saw much enforcement prior to fall-winter 2021. They are definitely cracking down!
I like the new place you are camping at better it has fuller, prettier trees! I like it much better!
Also if someone does not leave they can also tow the camper, rv, Van or whatever vehicle they are camped in. With they way our country’s inflation and people are becoming homeless more people on the for free camping. That’s why he’s there. They have to enforce the rules or it would turn into a dump. Know the laws and rules. Very simple
Universe said ‘move on’. Tis the nomad life.🥰
When interacting with law enforcement officials keep it friendly and only answer to questions...never elaborate...
Just an idea. Turn on your location history in google. This way if you get a ranger that wants to make up stuff you can open it up and prove when you were there
Don't be flabbergasted, rules are rules
Sorry you had to go thew that but I would keep a log in and out for different campgrounds (Captain's log)....
Thanks Tanya - I do keep a travel calendar with dates and locations recorded. It used to be hard to remember where we'd been so I started the calendar 2 years ago.
that's a bad sign I know here in town there are several large rv one at the Safeway and two at another spot obviously broken down with squatters living in them for at least six months now it makes as all look bad
Happy Easter David , Lefty and family
Kevin and Julia here....sorry you had to go through that brother. Have you ever thought about camping up in North Central/North West Pennsylvania (Clinton and Cameron Counties)? Routes 872, 144, 120, and 6. We go up in April and October...it's beautiful up there, quiet you won't see many people and you won't get kicked out. There is a fresh water spring up off this one road where we stay. We have been going up since 2006, we pack up our F350 with our dual sports and ride gear and stay in our buddies cabin for about 2 weeks. You should put it on your itinerary some time. We have friend that lives in New York and he comes down and rides there all the time. Lucky would love it🙂 If you want to know more let me know.
Have you ever considered buying some cheap vacant land for the day they decide that public land which belongs to the public will be banned from or be very restricted to human use. I see this happening sooner than later and having some cheap acreage where you have the ability to go to if need be would be nice.
I would suggest respectfully you record all your interactions, on public lands.So there is no room for hear say, and misunderstanding.
This is one I side with the law enforcement ranger. Too many issues with semi-permanent stay individuals who do not take care of their spots and abuse their welcome. You’re a good guy but you may want to better pick your battles. I note you pulled in well over two weeks ago, so there’s that.
You know the rules, abide by them...
Simple miscommunication. Could’ve been handled better. All is well. Rules are rules for everyone. Had a lucky streak for a while. I’ve always moved without any prodding. It’s annoying but I’m not a "people person" since 2019🤫New smells for Lucky. Enjoy!
Thats what I'm planning to do - we have a lot of options in this area :)
Since you answered quickly…would you consider your sites fairly safe for a single woman? My dog passed & i’m just not ready for another.
@@stanbyme7874 from my point of view, yes. Very quiet.
Cool Lefty sequence at the end there! I'm glad you were able to find a new place relatively close.
Enjoy your new spot. Hopefully it will be a better experience. Go get it Lefty.
Well, at least Coconino was close by! - some of the most beautiful land in this country, imho. I remember being amazed at how quickly the flash thunderstorms in the afternoon would get totally sucked up in minutes and the land would look like nothing happened. Sounds like if you like that area, you would have to find a 3rd forest in reasonable range and rotate between them? Thanks for sharing the story, the insights and the views.