@@presidentc4 you clearly don't listen to him! He likes a LOT he's named the wrestlers he likes and why the same way he calls out the ones he doesn't with very valid reasons why! He's not like the others sucking up to to Tony n Trips he calls them ALL out on there BS!
@@LennyNero2K punk takes wrestling serious that’s why he’s pissed off and saying none of the young guys are listening. he obviously wants everyone to step their game up. wtf does the elite do or has done ? call punk a diva if you want but i look at it like he wants everyone else working and taking AEW as serious as he does cuz he’s done it all in pro wrestling.
The Bucks aren’t really even heels. They really don’t know what they wanna be. They just wanna play wrestling with their friends and don’t want the company to get bigger because it’s stuck to their 800k audience since the inception of the company other than when Punk was doing stuff. Omega’s return to Dynamite dropped 200k viewers from Punk’s segment that episode.
exactly, they doesn't even have a character... they are the same people they were 10 years ago... just people that jump around the ring. There is no character/s, character evolution, progresion... going into a some sort of direction... they are just there
Book is just talking about professionalism. if it leads to Punk coming back and a program, that's cool. If you did all that taunt a guy on his way out, it sends a bad message to talent on the roster AND future talent because again..they are executive vice presidents of the company. Not just wrasslers.
I think that's the biggest thing that makes this all really messed up... these are EVPs of a company doing this. Imagine if these were EVPs of any other company that got into a brawl with an employee. Then after a suspension, they come back to work and are immediately taunting an ex employee? That wouldn't stand for even a moment in a half professional environment. So that definitely goes to show just how immensely unprofessional AEW management really is.
@@2DFightergaming It's their PLAYGROUUUND. They are taking advantage of and using Tony to have their own private little SANDBOX they can play with their friends in..... They don't care if Tony loses money, respect, or ANYTHING. They just want to play with their friends and if someone comes in that DOES draw and ppl DO care about and outshines them and exposes their personal circus they want them out immediately OR they get in Tony's ear and they BURY THEM or get Tony to hide them away and they use their "Friendship" with Tony to get it done. Tony is such a mark he don't see it. he just wants them to say "You're one of the boys".
This. Why am I supposed to think The Elite are cool for making fun of the time the 3 of them got pieced up by the worst UFC fighter ever who had a freshly torn tricep and his old and long retired friend? They look like dorks for this!
@@JEK_VaNNNNN the guy who was being submitted by coaches in MMA camp, was bleeding from his forehead to his chest with a torn tricep after just working a main event and out of breath from a press conference beat up 3 “grown” men and they’re making fun of him? Huh
@@ImAdaptking we're supposed to believe they're beating death triangle for the trios titles (which they most likely are). Punk getting wrecked in UFC was pretty bad to his reputation but you at least didn't see him come back and constantly wink and nudge the audience to remember it.
Brad Gilmore is the type of guy that cheats on his wife and then tries to explain it to his wife and once his wife gets mad about it "he agrees" but in his perspective it was something he wanted as a husband.
“Ain’t nobody getting their ass wooped anymore.” That is the truest thing today in many aspects of life. Specially with social media. Specially in wrestling.
How can Brad admit that nothing Booker said was wrong, while at the same time saying he understands why they did it. Booker's entire point was all the reasons not to do it, rehashing it, making their match a joke, being petty children, etc. So Brad's point is that he understands why EVP's of a pro wrestling company would want to bring up stuff that should be an embarrassment to the company, he understands why they wanted to make their match a joke, and he understands why they want to be petty children. Why would they want to do that Brad???
@@regulardadhere8832 So work the match like a face even if the crowd is booing you? Got it. Guess the Rock is an idiot for playing heel during his Hogan match at mania lol
@@antmaster360 yeah you’re right the Elite can’t do anything wrong. 👍 Definitely should bring up shit everyone is finally getting over with. Punks fault that he even spoke his opinions to the reporters. Only if Tony was there to stop him. Elite won though, they get to keep their jobs, poke fun at the situation and Punk goes away.
This whole thing with the Elite is just a reflection of what AEW as a whole has been about, they can't get over things, they always have to take shots at others or WWE to get cheap pops from the crowd (I guess in their head they are still at "war"). It just makes the company seem low class
Brad is missing the point. As a man u fight and the shit is over on both ends. You don't bring it back up later when the other guy isn't around. That can take the problem to a whole other level. To hell with the wrestling business.
They wanted CM out to begin with, started real heat week after week. Got the response they intended. CM is gone. We wont talk about it no more. Then after didn't honor their word hmmm... Now it looks even more a hit piece aka a screw job knowing they had united favor with the boss. Now old school heels use to feed off the most touchy subject and low-blow the babyface fans, but lol it just came off like a soft group of people who got whooped and snitched on who did it then acting big bad again. They played off technicalities. 😆 aye, but that's how some Elite people are in real life. The issue is you lost the company tons of money to pay this wrestler to sit at home and lost a nice extra chunk of audience in the process, and fantasy matches. As the Rock says "Know your role".
They don’t care about the company or what makes business sense. “The Elite” just want to get paid to play with their friends in multi-man matches every week, and awful unfunny backstage skits. If they cared about business, they would have tried to make a relationship with Top Star CM Punk work. But they don’t. They are literally the worst type of “Executives” that a company could wish for 😂 Only in it for themselves and their friends.
Booker is looking at it from a running a business perspective. The backstage antics fucked up my money, don't bring it up on social media or my show. If we're moving on, we're done referencing it
Did the "wrestlers court" go too far at times in the past ? Yes but if you don't have some sort of authority who can hold the talent accountable, this is what happens.
The problem with having a wrestlers court in AEW is that it would not have prevented something like this because the people acting out are Executive Vice President's. They wouldn't get disciplined especially if the judge is one of their friends which based on probability, most likely would be the case.
@@stealthmode1303 Jericho is all aboard the fuck cm punk train so he was probably popping backstage when this was happening, he wouldn't reprimand them. If there were to be a wrestlers court in AEW, I'd have one of the many veteran coaches they have like Dean Malenko do it. If the rumors about the younger guys ignoring the veterans are true, I'm sure he's probably not busy. If we had to pick someone who's on the roster and apart of that locker room, probably Jon Moxley or Bryan Danielson.
Booker always makes sense imo and Brad.... well, uh... he's Brad?🤷🏾♂️ Kenny and the Bucks are grown ass men acting Luke little ass children. That's all that is. Punk was the factual yet grumpy older guy calling shit out at the wrong time. All of this is entertaining but really shouldn't be displayed out in the public sphere.
Dwight Howard is in Taiwan because he loves basketball. Dwight had made more money than any wrestler and he is a champion. So your point is a little invalid
The reason I thought it was silly was largely the events that surrounded and led to it. I get why they did it but it was cheap heat that they didn’t need. They were gonna get booed in Chicago either way, they didn’t need to double down like they did to get booed. But the difference for me is how this was handled prior to this. Tony refused to ever acknowledge it or address it. He kept everything hidden about what happened and what the company was doing. He stripped the belts off of them and never gave a reason why. He spent an hour on Helwani refusing to answer anything even remotely relating to it. Added to that you have Kenny the same day say that everybody should move on and they’ll never discuss it. Ok I disagree but I can understand why you wanna approach it that way. Then after all of that they do this on their show. It made Tony look like a joke and all the narraticr about the elite getting their way seem accurate. And it seems since Punk won’t be coming back there’s never going to be a payoff for it. It would still be silly if they’d handled this different but the fact they basically refused to ever even talk about it only for the elite to do this just made them look like idiots.
Imagine being a casual fan and you paid a lot of money for the ppv. You get new trios champs and new world champion. Next night, Tony strips them all with zero reason. Still to this day, never said a word about it. Now, you see these 3 children return with no explanation and they do this. Who would keep watching? If I had paid $50 for that shitty ppv, I would want my money back. In fact, I would sue. Someone is suing Kraft because of misleading cooking time of 3 and half minutes because you have to stir and add water. $50 million. Ha.
Even if you actually think the audience wanted it addressed, most don’t want it done with yet another reminder of how fake the aew product looks. People get mad about fingerpoke of doom - well at least that made sense kayfabe as heels cooperating. Might as well do all of cm punks moves in the match (they did his finisher) against the opponents and have them no-sell every one. Oh the hilarity- for dullards. And if others did that? Rival companies did that? The whole business falls apart. One hallmark of childish and unprofessional behavior is that it relies on only a few select idiots doing it. This guy Brad - never saw him before, but he’s the definition of addled, ill-thought out “thinking”.
The Elite (Kenny Omega, Matt Jackson & Nick Jackson), as AEW EVPs, are all "having fun", stroking their own egos, and are on a power trip. All of this on Tony Khan's dime and the possible expense of the promotion losing their television deal and losing national exposure. At this point, Tony Khan, as the CEO of All Elite Wrestling, should without a doubt, give the day to day AEW operations to his Director of Business Development, Jeff Jarrett and his Coaches Dustin Rhodes & Billy Gunn. This only includes Jeff Jarrett, Dustin Rhodes & Billy Gunn handling and managing the creative input from current AEW EVPs.
I just think of it this way. Maybe Tony Khan was hoping that eventually Punk would calm down and agree to come back. That match totally blew that hope out of the water.
"The guys that are having fun? They asses gon' be looking for a job at the end of the day. The guy that is handling this like a business?... You gon' be living in a big house, in a mansion." Except in the Bizzaro land of AEW. There, the guys that are having fun are EVPs living in a mansion while the guy that was handling it like a business is looking for a different job. Granted CM Punk can be his own worst enemy but... how ironic.
I'm with Brad here. He fn gets it 👏 👏 it's obvious that Kenny Omega wants to capitalize on the chaos from All Out and keep this alive in the minds of the fans long enough to build it into a proper feud with CM Punk, once he's back at 100%. In fact, it's entirely possible that they've all come to an agreement already and the Elite will continue to build off the heat they receive for taking shots at CM Punk right up until he returns. Fans in this comment section don't seem to understand how this works. There's BIG MONEY 💰 to be made from Omega vs Punk at, let's say, Double or Nothing next year. Omega could potentially be in a world title match against MJF and right before the finish 🤔 Punk shockingly returns and screws Omega out of the win, firing back after months of shots being taken at him and they can finally begin their feud, building up to the anniversary of All Out next year. Everything would come full circle and THEN the parties involved could start moving on from things in AEW, if they so choose. Anything before then would just be nonsense and a waste of perfectly good opportunity for spicy content between Punk and the Elite. Everyone knows that Omega loves long-term storytelling and the payoff is almost always a huge deal. Just my humble opinion 🤷
I’d be SHOCKED if Omega and the Bucks were actually thinking about any sort of booking involving Punk coming back and having any influence on “their” company again. Not saying you’re wrong. If it comes to be true, this could be one of the best angles that AEW has ever put on their show… But I have very little to no faith in ‘The Elite’ pulling something like that off. Sorry man.
@@AdrianBeegoatz prepare to be shocked then, mate. There's little chance that Omega would be doing anything that he's been doing if TK hadn't already signed off on it and all parties involved hadn't come to an agreement yet. As for the storytelling aspect, it would have virtually nothing to do with the Young Bucks. This appears to be an Omega vs Punk kinda deal (as it's one of those dream match-ups that's been discussed since before Punk signed with AEW). The main problem is that Punk seems to be injury prone and has a long road to recovery before such a match could ever be possible. Even then, Omega is finally back at 100% health (evidenced by his scheduled return to NJPW next year at Wrestle Kingdom against Will Ospreay) while Punk might never be back at 100% health. THAT would be most shocking to me, if Punk returned better than ever. Because let's be honest...if Punk can't return at 100% health in AEW to finish the things he promised to do when he became #AllElite then there's little to no point in him returning to pro wrestling period, despite many fans expecting him to dip out on AEW to return to WWE instead. Huge draw or not, who wants to watch Punk go 0 for 3 when he returns only to get reinjured the next time he begins another feud or has another title match? This is why it makes the most sense that the storyline plays out between him and the Elite (aka Omega) because Omega no doubt understands that the matter remains unresolved in the eyes of most fans (evidenced by the contrasting reactions at different venues) and long-term storytelling is something that Omega is known for. I imagine that he and Punk have probably worked something out and seek to do right by the fans, doing the professional thing vs allowing their personal feelings to get in the way of making more money (something that has always mattered to Punk tbh).
If what you are saying is true, this would probably be the greatest work of all time....I just don't think any of the parties involved are that smart to have come up with this from the start. To me if this happens is more to do with them seeing what fans like you have put out as an idea after the fact, and them doing business and capitalizing on it. A feud with Punk and Omega would've been great, but Kenny is attached to the Bucks and those guys bring him down to look childish.
@@Gravey_draws well, as they say in pro wrestling, "never say never" 🤷♂️ there's plenty of time to go still before Punk will even be cleared to wrestle, more or less decide whether he's returning to AEW or having his contract bought out. In any case, Omega appears to be acting independently from the Young Bucks with regards to the jabs at Punk so I can only speculate that he's either in on it with Punk already (ahead of his eventual return) or Omega is hoping that Punk is watching and seeing the fan reactions (banking on the amount of money and attention their feud would garner ultimately). I'm just trying to be optimistic since Omega and Punk tend to lean towards what's most practical and lucrative, and they love their fans, so it's entirely plausible that Omega is testing the waters and this is all a massive work that will lead up to one of the greatest feuds of all time imo!
@10:00 Ehhh… not sure I agree with that. Back in the day when Sid Vicious and Arn Anderson had that brawl were they literally stabbed each other repeatedly with scissors, there was not even the slightest acknowledgment of it on WCW programming. This is such a weird industry within entertainment. I can’t imagine a sitcom or drama being expected to acknowledge on air within storyline a backstage fight the actors had with each other.
D. Howard may not be a top ten of all time but has MULTIPLE individual awards, been to the Finals and has had a successful HOF career after 16yrs or so. Don’t talk like he’s a scrub or some young guy who never achieved. He’s one of the few veterans still playing at his age.
If the roles were reversed CM Punk would have (and should have) done the exact same thing in Rancho Cucamunga California. You can’t ignore the elephant in the room
Punk is probably hard to work with but he brought more viewers to AEW than the Bucks or Omega. If it was what the fans wanted to see, that segment wouldn't have done such poor ratings. Omega and the Bucks lose viewers every week. The Bucks are EVPs and this is how they act, why would a serious wrestler want to join or stay in AEW?
Why hasen't AEW hired Bookah T? That locker room needs to incorporate that old school mentality now more than ever. CM Punk had the right mentality but people gone try him. Booker ain't too old to whip those little punks upside their head . CM has caught enough flack for his diva-like tendencies. Now it's time for the elite to be put in their place. It's one thing for Tony to want to be all buddy buddy with the talent but to let them single handedly implode his company is the real disrespect. Not punk being condescending to him in those press conferences. If anything that shows him those conferences are a wrong move and that he needs to lose that hunger to be in the limelight. Nobody pays to see the CEO .
We get both sides. Here's the thing. Daniel Bryan. When Rey Mysterio was announced to come out as #30, WWE didn't address what the fans wanted, didn't acknowledge it and Rey got booed out of the building when it wasn't his fault. Booker is saying that it's not about "the fans want it". This was a shoot. Handle it behind the scenes. I agree with that. Matt Hardy/Edge/Lita. That was a shoot. WWE turned it into an angle. Did that really do anything for any of the three of them? Not really. If anything it made WWE look shady for using that. TNA - Jeff Jarrett/Angle/Karen. That was a shoot. TNA turned it into an angle. Didn't do anything good for any of them.
Matt got his job back. Edge became a main eventer. Lita became a mega heel. Jeff and Kurt agreed to the angle once they cooled down and could work together. Ended up becoming a blended family for their kids sake after working through their issues by working together.
@@presidentc4 It still lead to one of her best paying and memorable characters ever so it's still disingenuous to say nothing good came of it for her. It's not bad heat she just wanted a change and to feel the love again by the time she was ready to retire.
Rhe problem with the Will Smith analogy is that the slap happened in public, were as the media scrum fight happened in the back and was handled privately (with leaks). Tony never addressed it publicly so the bucks undermine Tony by going out there and joking around.
AEW is an example of how having creative input can be a bad thing if it goes too far while Vince WWE was an example of how bad having control and no input can be. The right mix is somewhere between extremes. But in AEW they seem to get almost complete control to do what they want whether it makes sense or doesn’t without any real filter about what gets on TV and doesn’t. I know Tony says that he books things but the issue is he isn’t an educated filter. If Tony took advice from the veterans he has in his company things could be a lot better. But we’ve seen multiple times where he brushes off the veteran opinions which has resulted in what their product currently is.
It was and hs always been a work. Punk will be back. Ftr and punk vs elite. After mjf situation was shown to be a work, cant believe fans still think its real all the way.
I saw both sides of the spectrum: Booker T was speaking from the executive aspect, that you should carry yourselves as the leaders that you assigned to be. And Brad Gilmore is speaking from the performer's perspective
Either work it into a story or don't. These guys act like children every week and they wonder why the company is failing. They have no love for the business
Doing it only increases the chance of a lawsuit or make Punk demand more money for Tony buying out his contract. Doesn't matter what the audience want, they'll chant whatever they want anyway. Did the WWE respond every time there was a CM Punk chant after he left? Anyway...
I make a statement, I need you to respond to my statement....Booker keeps saying the same thing over and over and not addressing what the other guy is saying 🤔
If they wanted to be heels, they should've never poked fun at him. AEW has been taking shots at CM Punk for months now. It's childish and petty, but their fans ate it up. Which is what they wanted. In the end, people are going to look back at this moment and see how ridiculous the whole thing was, I mean the brawl, the media scrum, Hangman, Jericho match with Colt Cabana. Matt Hardy's "I was there" comment then trying to spin it as if his comments were misconstrued. Jericho calling Punk a locker room cancer.
If anything, it's disrespectful to the guys in Death Triangle. It just showed that it wasn't about them having a match, it was about the young bucks' joke. They could've done that with any 3 guys.
There are actually quite a few wrestlers out there that would No Doubt put these guys in their place but those type of workers don't get jobs because they're considered to be too much heat or too much drama or whatever. They all wanted to be some like everybody loves everybody situation when it should boil down to just having the best employees that you can possibly have and them doing the work that they're given, not so much what they want to do or think they need to do. In reality most people aren't going to be able to promote themselves the way they might think it needs to be done it's not always about your input it's like a restaurant owner trying to have an opinion about the food when it has nothing to do with the owners opinion of the food it's the customer's opinion of the food that actually matters. And this business venture has none of that
Brad actually doesn't get it & he's not experienced enough/ too self-righteous to learn from Booker. Booker summed it up when he said that they (AEW) could theoretically be out of business in a few years and that this incident could be what people point to as indicative of the behavior that pushed AEW down that path. For those of us who have been fans for a long time, we have seen our share of WWE competitors crash & burn. How is the Elite's behavior that much different than what occurred at WCW? Sure, the WCW boys can point to their 83 week win streak, but nothing else. Sadly, that is where AEW is at the moment. It's easy to play big with someone else's money. As Vince preached ages ago ... it's what good for business ... that matters.
Pac looked like a jabroni waiting for Buck n°2 to do the botched buckshot lariat, let Omega do the "biting spot" and I think he received the GTS. They buried Pac in that contrived male cheeleading routine.
I don't think they ever thought about this whole situation as performers; this is their m.o. for years regarding the wrestling world - it's always about themselves and their merch and their antics. They went out there to take a shot at CM Punk "because the crowd will boo us out of the building and we don't like it so let's make them have a reason to boo us". Do you think if people were chanting "f*** Punk" in unison they wouldn't do the same thing because they would think they had a "free pass" to do it just to please the crowd? That would be the excuse then. It was a personal shot at Punk, based on zero business sense. They were the attraction in Japan because they were the outsiders and weren't like the rest of the wrestlers based in strong style; in the USA, they are just indy wrestlers with a corporate machine supporting their style of niche wrestling that they never try to move away from. The only major company where they were relevant in the USA has been AEW and only because they are part of management. In TNA the were up-and-comers that blew it just because they thought they would be big shots in ROH and one of them was a one-time jobber in WWE; and Kenny Omega was nowhere to be found in the US scene at that time. That should tell you something about these three and how big of a "threat" Punk was to them. And I'm not even going to get started on having Cody as a "partner" that suddenly decided to abandon the "dream" he helped create to go back to the place from where he felt he needed to leave in the first place for being severely misused.
I genuinely thought it was funny tbh... the whole thing stole 2 months of their careers... did it pop the crowd, yeah... they knew they were gonna be heels there
Elite can put in any shenanigans they want… CM punk kicked their asses in the locker room and with his Career. They’ll never come close to touching punks career heights
I think people should chill out. It was 1 night, 1 match. These guys are all about inside jokes and memes. If anyone didn't expect something from the Elite, they are naive. This is 2022 pro wrestling, wrestlers are more interactive with the crowd and the crowd more interactive back. Also this is the age of worked shoots. Any and everything is on the table on any given night. Like I said 1 match, ppl are such snowflakes these days always gotta outcry about something.
You can tell the generational gap between Booker and Brad, because Brad's defense on the Elite seems weak. I originally sided against Punk on this, but the more I read about, and especially after the Elite came back, and you start reading between the lines of what Punk was bitching about, the Elite is rubs me the wrong way. You have WWE surging right now and what they did was total turnoff. Like, I don't even want to watch product anymore in fear of seeing those 3 back. As a fan, yeah, my man, this was very disinteresting to me. What if WWE tried to make Vince's issue a storyline or acknowledge it in some way even though we all know what's going on? C'mon.
The hardly boys don't understand a damn thing about wrestling, or even what it is. If they did, they would not have to take all the crazy bumps they are taking every single night.
Whoever thinks this is a storyline - it's not. Wrestling is never this complex. There's never been a storyline in mainstream wrestling that's been this complex since Bret and Shawn which wasn't actually a storyline. Why? Because nobody actually benefits from it. Not even The Elite, Punk, or Tony. Getting a couple of people to mark out doesn't actually change anything or move any needles. The best thing they can do us move on instead of gaining chesp heat over something that's happened back in September. Booker - a man who's been running a successful school and indy promotion for almost 20 years that's produced tons of stars - is right.
The fight didn't play out in public, it was reported in the sheets...so no need to address it in the match. What happens backstage isn't the fans business anyways. Typical wrestling fan entitlement
Everyone’s fine with it but if Vince showed up and grabbed some girls ass as an inside joke would it be good tv?? If Stone Cold returned in 03 and did the Brock Lesnar bounce mid match would it have been cool or an insult to how he disrespected Lesnar??? No need for it
Tony Khan is a joke. He has no control over his company and he is not respected by any of his employees. Punk, Omega and the Buck's sit next to the man and say whatever they want. Just like he's not even there.
“It’s different because nobody is really getting their asses whooped.” 100% THIS.
That is with EVERYTHING.
@@coreyhall1150 it literally is. younger generation hide behind their computers and know they’re safe from an ass whooping
@@Hypno_BPM Yeah man..... U didn't mouth off where I'm from UNLESS you wanted to fight. Ppl didn't turn the other cheek where I'm from.
That's why Punk whooped one of those cos players ***es.
@@coreyhall1150Sure tough guy
If cm punk did what the elite did last week they would be calling him toxic and unprofessional but since it the elite is okay smh 🤦🏾♂️
I agree
facts
Amen🙏🏾 ...so f*ckin' obvious to those looking at this objectively 🙄
Or if you use your brain you’d know punk will be back
And it’s not making money or putting asses in seats
That's why Jim Cornette doesn't like kenny omega and the young bucks
thats why nobody likes kenny and the young bucks***
He's got a whole list of reasons why he doesn't like them 😂
Who cares about that old has been, racist redneck
Cornette doesn't like anything
@@presidentc4 you clearly don't listen to him! He likes a LOT he's named the wrestlers he likes and why the same way he calls out the ones he doesn't with very valid reasons why! He's not like the others sucking up to to Tony n Trips he calls them ALL out on there BS!
If it doesn't get played into a storyline with CM Punk returning to AEW, then it was just petty and really shows they have not grown.
It shows how they got cm diva good giving him a aste of his own petty medicine.
@@LennyNero2K Yeah being a diva themself, Imature children
@@comicace4462 just like him. No shit.
@@LennyNero2K punk takes wrestling serious that’s why he’s pissed off and saying none of the young guys are listening. he obviously wants everyone to step their game up. wtf does the elite do or has done ? call punk a diva if you want but i look at it like he wants everyone else working and taking AEW as serious as he does cuz he’s done it all in pro wrestling.
@@Hypno_BPM 100% agreed
The Bucks aren’t really even heels. They really don’t know what they wanna be. They just wanna play wrestling with their friends and don’t want the company to get bigger because it’s stuck to their 800k audience since the inception of the company other than when Punk was doing stuff. Omega’s return to Dynamite dropped 200k viewers from Punk’s segment that episode.
exactly, they doesn't even have a character... they are the same people they were 10 years ago... just people that jump around the ring. There is no character/s, character evolution, progresion... going into a some sort of direction... they are just there
They went heel because they were getting boo'd due to being boring and repetitive.
Brad is a secret Bucks fan lol
Book is just talking about professionalism. if it leads to Punk coming back and a program, that's cool. If you did all that taunt a guy on his way out, it sends a bad message to talent on the roster AND future talent because again..they are executive vice presidents of the company. Not just wrasslers.
I think that's the biggest thing that makes this all really messed up... these are EVPs of a company doing this. Imagine if these were EVPs of any other company that got into a brawl with an employee. Then after a suspension, they come back to work and are immediately taunting an ex employee? That wouldn't stand for even a moment in a half professional environment. So that definitely goes to show just how immensely unprofessional AEW management really is.
@@2DFightergaming It's their PLAYGROUUUND. They are taking advantage of and using Tony to have their own private little SANDBOX they can play with their friends in..... They don't care if Tony loses money, respect, or ANYTHING. They just want to play with their friends and if someone comes in that DOES draw and ppl DO care about and outshines them and exposes their personal circus they want them out immediately OR they get in Tony's ear and they BURY THEM or get Tony to hide them away and they use their "Friendship" with Tony to get it done. Tony is such a mark he don't see it. he just wants them to say "You're one of the boys".
@@2DFightergaming if these marks were in WWE it would be the permanent END of these people there
Exactly
Book is so smart and knowledgeable about wrestling. Very valid and great points
No he’s a fucking shill
That's why he's called Booker.
I mean he’s only been doing it for 30 plus years lol I would think he would know something 😂
@@Cobane823 no need to be a dickhead, especially if you agree. I bet you're fun at parties
@@Lembardi bro I’m sorry but that’s like me commenting the sky is blue 😂🤣🤣 as rhetorical as it gets
Booker is 1000% right! Keeping it real Booker!
The reason Book is so awesome, is cause the guy had his own issues with punk, But he still told his side like a pro, Book is the real tough guy
They were pulling inside jokes on a national audience…it’s a microcosm of why their audience has plateaued.
Imagine 3 grown men trying to make jokes about one guy beating all their asses lol
This. Why am I supposed to think The Elite are cool for making fun of the time the 3 of them got pieced up by the worst UFC fighter ever who had a freshly torn tricep and his old and long retired friend? They look like dorks for this!
@@JEK_VaNNNNN the guy who was being submitted by coaches in MMA camp, was bleeding from his forehead to his chest with a torn tricep after just working a main event and out of breath from a press conference beat up 3 “grown” men and they’re making fun of him?
Huh
@@ImAdaptking we're supposed to believe they're beating death triangle for the trios titles (which they most likely are). Punk getting wrecked in UFC was pretty bad to his reputation but you at least didn't see him come back and constantly wink and nudge the audience to remember it.
Brad Gilmore is the type of guy that cheats on his wife and then tries to explain it to his wife and once his wife gets mad about it "he agrees" but in his perspective it was something he wanted as a husband.
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An audience that wanted it addressed that way or did Brad Gilmore want it addressed that way? And how does he know the whole audience wanted that?
“Ain’t nobody getting their ass wooped anymore.” That is the truest thing today in many aspects of life. Specially with social media. Specially in wrestling.
the fact that Brad says Bucks matches stand out and aren’t like the rest of the other matches says it all.
Stand out for being trash. Hence why people turn off the TV when those idiots are on screen.
They do stand out just not for the reasons he thinks.
@@daleharris3809 that’s the point i’m making
Booker T is spot on,it makes it look fake and pathetic and for children,has the elite any fans that are over 18 except for Meltzer?
How can Brad admit that nothing Booker said was wrong, while at the same time saying he understands why they did it. Booker's entire point was all the reasons not to do it, rehashing it, making their match a joke, being petty children, etc. So Brad's point is that he understands why EVP's of a pro wrestling company would want to bring up stuff that should be an embarrassment to the company, he understands why they wanted to make their match a joke, and he understands why they want to be petty children. Why would they want to do that Brad???
They went for the "Cheap heat" and proved CM Punks comment of "Working with Children"
So agree not a cm punk fan but like you said the “mean girls “ sorry elite is proving he had a point
The crowd got more into the match because of it, working baby face in Chicago wouldn’t have worked
@@antmaster360 how about just working, oh wait the kids can’t just let shit go. Kenny and the Ducks aren’t as over as they think they are.
@@regulardadhere8832 So work the match like a face even if the crowd is booing you? Got it. Guess the Rock is an idiot for playing heel during his Hogan match at mania lol
@@antmaster360 yeah you’re right the Elite can’t do anything wrong. 👍 Definitely should bring up shit everyone is finally getting over with. Punks fault that he even spoke his opinions to the reporters. Only if Tony was there to stop him. Elite won though, they get to keep their jobs, poke fun at the situation and Punk goes away.
This whole thing with the Elite is just a reflection of what AEW as a whole has been about, they can't get over things, they always have to take shots at others or WWE to get cheap pops from the crowd (I guess in their head they are still at "war"). It just makes the company seem low class
No you come off like a crybaby, upset a billion dollar company is made fun of, from time to time, you seriously act like it’s every week, grow up.
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Brad is missing the point. As a man u fight and the shit is over on both ends. You don't bring it back up later when the other guy isn't around. That can take the problem to a whole other level. To hell with the wrestling business.
Thank you!!! It’s a man/professional thing. Too much passive aggressive stuff going on.
They wanted CM out to begin with, started real heat week after week. Got the response they intended. CM is gone. We wont talk about it no more. Then after didn't honor their word hmmm... Now it looks even more a hit piece aka a screw job knowing they had united favor with the boss. Now old school heels use to feed off the most touchy subject and low-blow the babyface fans, but lol it just came off like a soft group of people who got whooped and snitched on who did it then acting big bad again. They played off technicalities. 😆 aye, but that's how some Elite people are in real life. The issue is you lost the company tons of money to pay this wrestler to sit at home and lost a nice extra chunk of audience in the process, and fantasy matches. As the Rock says "Know your role".
They don’t care about the company or what makes business sense.
“The Elite” just want to get paid to play with their friends in multi-man matches every week, and awful unfunny backstage skits.
If they cared about business, they would have tried to make a relationship with Top Star CM Punk work.
But they don’t.
They are literally the worst type of “Executives” that a company could wish for 😂
Only in it for themselves and their friends.
It is sad for wrestling and its fans really
Booker is looking at it from a running a business perspective. The backstage antics fucked up my money, don't bring it up on social media or my show. If we're moving on, we're done referencing it
What they did was unprofessional then rehashing it during a match is childish.
Did the "wrestlers court" go too far at times in the past ? Yes but if you don't have some sort of authority who can hold the talent accountable, this is what happens.
The problem with having a wrestlers court in AEW is that it would not have prevented something like this because the people acting out are Executive Vice President's. They wouldn't get disciplined especially if the judge is one of their friends which based on probability, most likely would be the case.
@@JEK_VaNNNNN good point. Jericho really should be the one handling stuff like that but he's no better than the EVP's.
@@stealthmode1303 Jericho is all aboard the fuck cm punk train so he was probably popping backstage when this was happening, he wouldn't reprimand them. If there were to be a wrestlers court in AEW, I'd have one of the many veteran coaches they have like Dean Malenko do it. If the rumors about the younger guys ignoring the veterans are true, I'm sure he's probably not busy. If we had to pick someone who's on the roster and apart of that locker room, probably Jon Moxley or Bryan Danielson.
Booker always makes sense imo and Brad.... well, uh... he's Brad?🤷🏾♂️ Kenny and the Bucks are grown ass men acting Luke little ass children. That's all that is. Punk was the factual yet grumpy older guy calling shit out at the wrong time. All of this is entertaining but really shouldn't be displayed out in the public sphere.
Dwight Howard is in Taiwan because he loves basketball. Dwight had made more money than any wrestler and he is a champion. So your point is a little invalid
Booker seem like such a real nigga
It doesn't bother me right now. They did it at the PPV and on Wednesday. I'll have a problem if they're still doing it on the upcoming episodes.
"...we are human beings struggling to show our *ART*" -Phony Omega
They ARE EVPs so they should be held for to a higher standard.
The brad guy hasn’t got the balls to make a valid point and argue it with booker t.
What are you talking about Brad??? Please be clear, because your not sir.
The reason I thought it was silly was largely the events that surrounded and led to it. I get why they did it but it was cheap heat that they didn’t need. They were gonna get booed in Chicago either way, they didn’t need to double down like they did to get booed. But the difference for me is how this was handled prior to this.
Tony refused to ever acknowledge it or address it. He kept everything hidden about what happened and what the company was doing. He stripped the belts off of them and never gave a reason why. He spent an hour on Helwani refusing to answer anything even remotely relating to it. Added to that you have Kenny the same day say that everybody should move on and they’ll never discuss it. Ok I disagree but I can understand why you wanna approach it that way.
Then after all of that they do this on their show. It made Tony look like a joke and all the narraticr about the elite getting their way seem accurate. And it seems since Punk won’t be coming back there’s never going to be a payoff for it. It would still be silly if they’d handled this different but the fact they basically refused to ever even talk about it only for the elite to do this just made them look like idiots.
Imagine being a casual fan and you paid a lot of money for the ppv. You get new trios champs and new world champion. Next night, Tony strips them all with zero reason. Still to this day, never said a word about it. Now, you see these 3 children return with no explanation and they do this. Who would keep watching? If I had paid $50 for that shitty ppv, I would want my money back. In fact, I would sue. Someone is suing Kraft because of misleading cooking time of 3 and half minutes because you have to stir and add water. $50 million. Ha.
AEW doesn't have any casual fans
@@presidentc4 apparently they had 200k or so casually watching Punk. Not anymore. Ha.
Even if you actually think the audience wanted it addressed, most don’t want it done with yet another reminder of how fake the aew product looks. People get mad about fingerpoke of doom - well at least that made sense kayfabe as heels cooperating.
Might as well do all of cm punks moves in the match (they did his finisher) against the opponents and have them no-sell every one. Oh the hilarity- for dullards.
And if others did that? Rival companies did that? The whole business falls apart. One hallmark of childish and unprofessional behavior is that it relies on only a few select idiots doing it.
This guy Brad - never saw him before, but he’s the definition of addled, ill-thought out “thinking”.
Brad couldn’t be more wrong on this one.
The Elite (Kenny Omega, Matt Jackson & Nick Jackson), as AEW EVPs, are all "having fun", stroking their own egos, and are on a power trip. All of this on Tony Khan's dime and the possible expense of the promotion losing their television deal and losing national exposure.
At this point, Tony Khan, as the CEO of All Elite Wrestling, should without a doubt, give the day to day AEW operations to his Director of Business Development, Jeff Jarrett and his Coaches Dustin Rhodes & Billy Gunn. This only includes Jeff Jarrett, Dustin Rhodes & Billy Gunn handling and managing the creative input from current AEW EVPs.
Booker hit the nail on the damn head
I just think of it this way. Maybe Tony Khan was hoping that eventually Punk would calm down and agree to come back. That match totally blew that hope out of the water.
"The guys that are having fun? They asses gon' be looking for a job at the end of the day. The guy that is handling this like a business?... You gon' be living in a big house, in a mansion."
Except in the Bizzaro land of AEW. There, the guys that are having fun are EVPs living in a mansion while the guy that was handling it like a business is looking for a different job. Granted CM Punk can be his own worst enemy but... how ironic.
So Brad basically said he understands why he understands why the elite are just clout chasing sissies lol
Sound like he playing both sides to me. He don’t want to take a strong stance and be cool with everyone.
I'm with Brad here. He fn gets it 👏 👏 it's obvious that Kenny Omega wants to capitalize on the chaos from All Out and keep this alive in the minds of the fans long enough to build it into a proper feud with CM Punk, once he's back at 100%. In fact, it's entirely possible that they've all come to an agreement already and the Elite will continue to build off the heat they receive for taking shots at CM Punk right up until he returns. Fans in this comment section don't seem to understand how this works. There's BIG MONEY 💰 to be made from Omega vs Punk at, let's say, Double or Nothing next year. Omega could potentially be in a world title match against MJF and right before the finish 🤔 Punk shockingly returns and screws Omega out of the win, firing back after months of shots being taken at him and they can finally begin their feud, building up to the anniversary of All Out next year. Everything would come full circle and THEN the parties involved could start moving on from things in AEW, if they so choose. Anything before then would just be nonsense and a waste of perfectly good opportunity for spicy content between Punk and the Elite. Everyone knows that Omega loves long-term storytelling and the payoff is almost always a huge deal. Just my humble opinion 🤷
I’d be SHOCKED if Omega and the Bucks were actually thinking about any sort of booking involving Punk coming back and having any influence on “their” company again.
Not saying you’re wrong.
If it comes to be true, this could be one of the best angles that AEW has ever put on their show…
But I have very little to no faith in ‘The Elite’ pulling something like that off.
Sorry man.
@@AdrianBeegoatz prepare to be shocked then, mate. There's little chance that Omega would be doing anything that he's been doing if TK hadn't already signed off on it and all parties involved hadn't come to an agreement yet.
As for the storytelling aspect, it would have virtually nothing to do with the Young Bucks. This appears to be an Omega vs Punk kinda deal (as it's one of those dream match-ups that's been discussed since before Punk signed with AEW). The main problem is that Punk seems to be injury prone and has a long road to recovery before such a match could ever be possible. Even then, Omega is finally back at 100% health (evidenced by his scheduled return to NJPW next year at Wrestle Kingdom against Will Ospreay) while Punk might never be back at 100% health. THAT would be most shocking to me, if Punk returned better than ever.
Because let's be honest...if Punk can't return at 100% health in AEW to finish the things he promised to do when he became #AllElite then there's little to no point in him returning to pro wrestling period, despite many fans expecting him to dip out on AEW to return to WWE instead.
Huge draw or not, who wants to watch Punk go 0 for 3 when he returns only to get reinjured the next time he begins another feud or has another title match? This is why it makes the most sense that the storyline plays out between him and the Elite (aka Omega) because Omega no doubt understands that the matter remains unresolved in the eyes of most fans (evidenced by the contrasting reactions at different venues) and long-term storytelling is something that Omega is known for. I imagine that he and Punk have probably worked something out and seek to do right by the fans, doing the professional thing vs allowing their personal feelings to get in the way of making more money (something that has always mattered to Punk tbh).
If what you are saying is true, this would probably be the greatest work of all time....I just don't think any of the parties involved are that smart to have come up with this from the start. To me if this happens is more to do with them seeing what fans like you have put out as an idea after the fact, and them doing business and capitalizing on it. A feud with Punk and Omega would've been great, but Kenny is attached to the Bucks and those guys bring him down to look childish.
@@Gravey_draws well, as they say in pro wrestling, "never say never" 🤷♂️ there's plenty of time to go still before Punk will even be cleared to wrestle, more or less decide whether he's returning to AEW or having his contract bought out. In any case, Omega appears to be acting independently from the Young Bucks with regards to the jabs at Punk so I can only speculate that he's either in on it with Punk already (ahead of his eventual return) or Omega is hoping that Punk is watching and seeing the fan reactions (banking on the amount of money and attention their feud would garner ultimately). I'm just trying to be optimistic since Omega and Punk tend to lean towards what's most practical and lucrative, and they love their fans, so it's entirely plausible that Omega is testing the waters and this is all a massive work that will lead up to one of the greatest feuds of all time imo!
Keep dreaming. The diva ain't coming back.
@10:00 Ehhh… not sure I agree with that. Back in the day when Sid Vicious and Arn Anderson had that brawl were they literally stabbed each other repeatedly with scissors, there was not even the slightest acknowledgment of it on WCW programming. This is such a weird industry within entertainment. I can’t imagine a sitcom or drama being expected to acknowledge on air within storyline a backstage fight the actors had with each other.
D. Howard may not be a top ten of all time but has MULTIPLE individual awards, been to the Finals and has had a successful HOF career after 16yrs or so. Don’t talk like he’s a scrub or some young guy who never achieved. He’s one of the few veterans still playing at his age.
“Are the young bucks heels?”… exactly… 🤸♂️ 🥉
Shout out to the Miz @ 15:29
If the roles were reversed CM Punk would have (and should have) done the exact same thing in Rancho Cucamunga California. You can’t ignore the elephant in the room
Punk is probably hard to work with but he brought more viewers to AEW than the Bucks or Omega. If it was what the fans wanted to see, that segment wouldn't have done such poor ratings. Omega and the Bucks lose viewers every week. The Bucks are EVPs and this is how they act, why would a serious wrestler want to join or stay in AEW?
Booker T is the man.
Thank Steven
Brad pissed me off today
Why hasen't AEW hired Bookah T? That locker room needs to incorporate that old school mentality now more than ever. CM Punk had the right mentality but people gone try him. Booker ain't too old to whip those little punks upside their head . CM has caught enough flack for his diva-like tendencies. Now it's time for the elite to be put in their place. It's one thing for Tony to want to be all buddy buddy with the talent but to let them single handedly implode his company is the real disrespect. Not punk being condescending to him in those press conferences. If anything that shows him those conferences are a wrong move and that he needs to lose that hunger to be in the limelight. Nobody pays to see the CEO .
Brad Gilmore just shown his immaturity
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That Gilmore dude sounds like a mark… His arguments make no sense lol
We get both sides. Here's the thing.
Daniel Bryan. When Rey Mysterio was announced to come out as #30, WWE didn't address what the fans wanted, didn't acknowledge it and Rey got booed out of the building when it wasn't his fault.
Booker is saying that it's not about "the fans want it". This was a shoot. Handle it behind the scenes. I agree with that.
Matt Hardy/Edge/Lita. That was a shoot. WWE turned it into an angle. Did that really do anything for any of the three of them? Not really. If anything it made WWE look shady for using that.
TNA - Jeff Jarrett/Angle/Karen. That was a shoot. TNA turned it into an angle. Didn't do anything good for any of them.
I think Edge definitely benefitted as a heel from the angle with Matt
Matt got his job back. Edge became a main eventer. Lita became a mega heel.
Jeff and Kurt agreed to the angle once they cooled down and could work together. Ended up becoming a blended family for their kids sake after working through their issues by working together.
@@mimoe7587 Lita had bad heat that caused her to retire early
@@presidentc4 It still lead to one of her best paying and memorable characters ever so it's still disingenuous to say nothing good came of it for her.
It's not bad heat she just wanted a change and to feel the love again by the time she was ready to retire.
@@mimoe7587 I disagree and shes spoken on the subject many times but to each their own
If a non wrestling fan tunes in they’re gonna be like wtf is going on the elite only care about there audience
Rhe problem with the Will Smith analogy is that the slap happened in public, were as the media scrum fight happened in the back and was handled privately (with leaks). Tony never addressed it publicly so the bucks undermine Tony by going out there and joking around.
Bookers co host is spineless lmaooo
I didn’t Mike Rome had a little brother, I just think it’s funny his last name is Gilmore haha
AEW is an example of how having creative input can be a bad thing if it goes too far while Vince WWE was an example of how bad having control and no input can be. The right mix is somewhere between extremes. But in AEW they seem to get almost complete control to do what they want whether it makes sense or doesn’t without any real filter about what gets on TV and doesn’t. I know Tony says that he books things but the issue is he isn’t an educated filter. If Tony took advice from the veterans he has in his company things could be a lot better. But we’ve seen multiple times where he brushes off the veteran opinions which has resulted in what their product currently is.
It was and hs always been a work. Punk will be back. Ftr and punk vs elite. After mjf situation was shown to be a work, cant believe fans still think its real all the way.
I saw both sides of the spectrum: Booker T was speaking from the executive aspect, that you should carry yourselves as the leaders that you assigned to be. And Brad Gilmore is speaking from the performer's perspective
Either work it into a story or don't. These guys act like children every week and they wonder why the company is failing. They have no love for the business
Doing it only increases the chance of a lawsuit or make Punk demand more money for Tony buying out his contract. Doesn't matter what the audience want, they'll chant whatever they want anyway. Did the WWE respond every time there was a CM Punk chant after he left?
Anyway...
I make a statement, I need you to respond to my statement....Booker keeps saying the same thing over and over and not addressing what the other guy is saying 🤔
If they wanted to be heels, they should've never poked fun at him. AEW has been taking shots at CM Punk for months now. It's childish and petty, but their fans ate it up. Which is what they wanted.
In the end, people are going to look back at this moment and see how ridiculous the whole thing was, I mean the brawl, the media scrum, Hangman, Jericho match with Colt Cabana. Matt Hardy's "I was there" comment then trying to spin it as if his comments were misconstrued. Jericho calling Punk a locker room cancer.
If anything, it's disrespectful to the guys in Death Triangle. It just showed that it wasn't about them having a match, it was about the young bucks' joke. They could've done that with any 3 guys.
There are actually quite a few wrestlers out there that would No Doubt put these guys in their place but those type of workers don't get jobs because they're considered to be too much heat or too much drama or whatever. They all wanted to be some like everybody loves everybody situation when it should boil down to just having the best employees that you can possibly have and them doing the work that they're given, not so much what they want to do or think they need to do. In reality most people aren't going to be able to promote themselves the way they might think it needs to be done it's not always about your input it's like a restaurant owner trying to have an opinion about the food when it has nothing to do with the owners opinion of the food it's the customer's opinion of the food that actually matters. And this business venture has none of that
Brad actually doesn't get it & he's not experienced enough/ too self-righteous to learn from Booker. Booker summed it up when he said that they (AEW) could theoretically be out of business in a few years and that this incident could be what people point to as indicative of the behavior that pushed AEW down that path. For those of us who have been fans for a long time, we have seen our share of WWE competitors crash & burn. How is the Elite's behavior that much different than what occurred at WCW? Sure, the WCW boys can point to their 83 week win streak, but nothing else. Sadly, that is where AEW is at the moment. It's easy to play big with someone else's money. As Vince preached ages ago ... it's what good for business ... that matters.
I agree with Booker T. It was lil kid stuff. The locker room is a 💩 show. Children aren’t that petty
Pac looked like a jabroni waiting for Buck n°2 to do the botched buckshot lariat, let Omega do the "biting spot" and I think he received the GTS. They buried Pac in that contrived male cheeleading routine.
Never thought about but yeah pac does look like a slapnuts for that
It never ceases to amaze me how nobody can defend The Young Bucks or Kenny Omega without dancing around it or throwing around qualifiers.
I don't think they ever thought about this whole situation as performers; this is their m.o. for years regarding the wrestling world - it's always about themselves and their merch and their antics. They went out there to take a shot at CM Punk "because the crowd will boo us out of the building and we don't like it so let's make them have a reason to boo us". Do you think if people were chanting "f*** Punk" in unison they wouldn't do the same thing because they would think they had a "free pass" to do it just to please the crowd? That would be the excuse then.
It was a personal shot at Punk, based on zero business sense. They were the attraction in Japan because they were the outsiders and weren't like the rest of the wrestlers based in strong style; in the USA, they are just indy wrestlers with a corporate machine supporting their style of niche wrestling that they never try to move away from. The only major company where they were relevant in the USA has been AEW and only because they are part of management. In TNA the were up-and-comers that blew it just because they thought they would be big shots in ROH and one of them was a one-time jobber in WWE; and Kenny Omega was nowhere to be found in the US scene at that time. That should tell you something about these three and how big of a "threat" Punk was to them. And I'm not even going to get started on having Cody as a "partner" that suddenly decided to abandon the "dream" he helped create to go back to the place from where he felt he needed to leave in the first place for being severely misused.
4:05 Booker wanted to say that was some h0e shit. 😂
I genuinely thought it was funny tbh... the whole thing stole 2 months of their careers... did it pop the crowd, yeah... they knew they were gonna be heels there
Both sides a long with the fans are petty and childish. They make people who call wrestling stupid and for kids, look justified.
Elite can put in any shenanigans they want… CM punk kicked their asses in the locker room and with his Career. They’ll never come close to touching punks career heights
I think people should chill out. It was 1 night, 1 match. These guys are all about inside jokes and memes. If anyone didn't expect something from the Elite, they are naive. This is 2022 pro wrestling, wrestlers are more interactive with the crowd and the crowd more interactive back. Also this is the age of worked shoots. Any and everything is on the table on any given night. Like I said 1 match, ppl are such snowflakes these days always gotta outcry about something.
Bad Gilmore just got to have the last word on this whole CM Punk business. How many time do you need to say how you feel about it?.
You can tell the generational gap between Booker and Brad, because Brad's defense on the Elite seems weak. I originally sided against Punk on this, but the more I read about, and especially after the Elite came back, and you start reading between the lines of what Punk was bitching about, the Elite is rubs me the wrong way. You have WWE surging right now and what they did was total turnoff. Like, I don't even want to watch product anymore in fear of seeing those 3 back.
As a fan, yeah, my man, this was very disinteresting to me. What if WWE tried to make Vince's issue a storyline or acknowledge it in some way even though we all know what's going on? C'mon.
I wonder if the young bucks and Kenny would have started that same fight if it would have been Brock Lesnar instead of CM Punk.
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They need like 6-7 people on the show and no matches , and tony khan needs to wrestle too and win the world title.
The hardly boys don't understand a damn thing about wrestling, or even what it is. If they did, they would not have to take all the crazy bumps they are taking every single night.
It's all fun and games until the three of them get they asses whooped again.
Whoever thinks this is a storyline - it's not. Wrestling is never this complex. There's never been a storyline in mainstream wrestling that's been this complex since Bret and Shawn which wasn't actually a storyline. Why? Because nobody actually benefits from it. Not even The Elite, Punk, or Tony. Getting a couple of people to mark out doesn't actually change anything or move any needles. The best thing they can do us move on instead of gaining chesp heat over something that's happened back in September. Booker - a man who's been running a successful school and indy promotion for almost 20 years that's produced tons of stars - is right.
The fight didn't play out in public, it was reported in the sheets...so no need to address it in the match. What happens backstage isn't the fans business anyways. Typical wrestling fan entitlement
Hey Booker T remember what McMahon did to JR I think that was alot MORE untasteful than what they did in AEW .
Everyone’s fine with it but if Vince showed up and grabbed some girls ass as an inside joke would it be good tv?? If Stone Cold returned in 03 and did the Brock Lesnar bounce mid match would it have been cool or an insult to how he disrespected Lesnar??? No need for it
Kobe knew it was just a game…. But only after he retired
I love these two.
HOLY S** I actually agree with booker for the first time ever ..he is 100% correct..
Cm punk should come back as the biggest heel of the century
I would love for that to happen. I don't think it will, but it would be awesome if it does.
In the words of a wise man "I WORK WITH CHILDREN"
Tony Khan is a joke. He has no control over his company and he is not respected by any of his employees. Punk, Omega and the Buck's sit next to the man and say whatever they want. Just like he's not even there.
Brad doesnt understand professionalism. If its not a business stand point then why are you doing it on national television.
To be executives to aew and do what they did its not professional. AEW needs to check themselves
Booker is so right about the current state of what being a man means. Twice as likely to get offended and half as likely to do something about it.
Booker T is 💯 here