OPINION: Indian Navy's 4 Helicopter Carrier = No INS VISHAL | Economic perspective
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- The Navy was looking for a hybrid design called Multi-Role Support Vessel (MRSV) which is similar in design to the ARMARIS-built Mistral. Indian Navy initiated a project called ‘Multi-Role Support Vessel program’ for building 4 Landing Platform Docks. The tender has been issued to Reliance Defense and L&T. Both firms have partnered with foreign firms like NAVAL GRP(France) and Navantia(Spain) respectively to built the LPDs. Two LPDs will be built by private firms, and the remaining two LPDs will be built by Hindustan Shipyard Limited(HSL). By the end of 2028, the contract will be finalized. The procurement of LPD will also improve the Disaster Relief and Search & Rescue capabilities.
The Navy requires that the ships be no more than 215 meters long and have a draft no more than 8 meters in full load conditions. The ships will be powered by electric propulsion systems, have an endurance of 45 days with a maximum sustained speed of no less than 20 knots
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Army's budget should be limited to 33% of the defence budget. Right now they use 65% of the defence budget and navy only 11%. Navy is the most important force for an emerging power. No major power neglects navy as much as us
You are correct at least 40% should be spent on Navy, 40% on Airforce and remaining on Army
@@arbindthakur4736 or at least 30% navy, 30% IAF and 40% Army. Even that will be a big transition for India
Soon even our CDS is from Army,he may propose 80% for Army,10% for each of Navy & Air Force who knows.
Each force should have equivalent budgets respectively...
Forget everything else. Raise Navy's share to atleast 20%.
@Abhishek Tarafder Trade entirely depends upon the sea. China is begun to flex its muscles in the Indian ocean. Their navy is rivalling the US Navy. I know they're still catching up. But they're working on it.
We need to stronger navy. We need to limit Army at 55%, AF at 20% and navy at 20%.
That's pretty logical..,
As per current war scenario AC are huge targets for hypersonic missiles.
@Prranjal Shrivaastav presume it's sarcastic..,
Anyways just think decommissioned aircraft carrier like Kiev costed around ~$2.6 billion. Whereas an LUD like Juan Carlos class will cost around ~$600 million.
Rather spending money on these 'phoreign maals' we should try to design it in our home..If we can make a 40k ton AC then it should be quite smooth for us.. In case of aircrafts we already have an idea about Sea Harriers.. if correctly used we can have an unmanned version of it..
will be much lighter and shorter..
So we can also Build a HELO carrier on our OWN, it will take much less time than VISHAL
If that was the case we should have gone for that 😂 , we don't have the expertise to make LHD ! AC we are making with the help of Italy & Russia bro.
We can make cheaper LHD or LPD with the help of Korea like the ASEAN countries did
@@rupeshnair2844 you are correct bro, but cheaper LHDs are very much vulnerable to convert attacks unless India build it on large strength.
In reality we are struggling with material technology of the aircraft carrier, supreme quality of steel required for the building of aircraft carrier was always a challenge, it's still a matter of concern, today
I would love to see Unmanned Harriers.
Bro...but problem is we will never get hands on F35 as we'll have S400 and to develop engine which can lift and land aircraft vertically...it will nearly take nearly 15-20 years with continuous funding, total (5-6 billion USD)...so will navy wait for it?...Navy is also right at this time...as they are not having much attacking option in helicopters...If we don't pursue with aircraft carrier then the need of NAMCA will be also eliminated🤔
there are a ton of the other FUTURistic Drone/UUV could also be deployed on the carrier
Indian navy will never attack Pakistan with fighters. Instead, we can go for the hidden demon submarines.
If you think about it. Having helicopter carriers also for landings is kinda practical. Plus when making an aircraft carrier go as big as you can.
We need minimum 3 nos. IAC , 45 nos. Submarines....
(25 Conventional Desal Electric and 20 Nuclear SSBN) , 7 nos. LHD , 9 nos. Amphibious Landing Platform Vessels,
18 nos. Minesweepers ,
9 nos. Distroyers ,
9 nos. Covertters and finally 3 nos. Heavly equipped (Rail Gun , Laser Gun and KALI etc...) Battleships.
When only we acquire the above said things, then only can say a Super Power Country....
We need money for that, we have difficulties in maintaining the current fleet with our budget, the list you mentioned would require our entire defense budget let alone the naval budget
We do have two Aircraft Carriers Andaman &Nicobar Strategic Island. So we need to procure Heli carriers.
we need something to project power beyond them.
@@kulkarniprabhanjan we do not yet have a blue water policy..to be honest we are not even capable of protecting every stretch of the arabian sean and bay of bengal...forget southern Indian ocean..at times I wonder were our agencies sleeping for more than 3 decades?? China started scaling up in 1980s and we DID NOT EVEN START REACTING EVEN TILL 2015..SHAME
We need 3rd Aircraft carrier too. When the 3rd carrier will be ready our only aircraft carrier will be too old by than.
@@mayanktripathi8726 try blaming government not agency. When did government started scaling. Every time they try to compare us with Pak now they are focusing on china and other threats.
@Chaudhry Vikrant ror maratha in lakshadeep , we can also have one or two unsinkable carrier ..
heli carrier is the best option..
loadings with lots of
missiles -Air Drones -underwater drones and Helis.we can also installed rail gun. boleto ekdam sasta aur zadpi.. must go. iss se hum defensive kaam jyada kar sakte hai..4 number pe hone se jyada area cover hoga .
And what will the helicopters do when the Chinese J-15s and later naval fighters come with their aircraft carriers? We need our own carrier borne fighters to counter them.
Best option to spend the budget on LHD. Later we can build IAC 2.
Building four helicopter carriers is better than one aircraft carrier. This is a much needed capability. 👏✔️
No
India's IAC 2 is INS Vishal
It is a super carrier
Building four helicopter carriers is not equal to a super carrier
INS Vishal is one of the most powerful aircraft carrier in the world
I am going to say it again here; instead of consistently demanding for extremely costly AC, please go for more long endurance, stealthy underwater platforms they will prove to be quite handy, effective, lethal for enemy & crucial for us in future warfares....
Keyboard warriors lol
@@jdmandal8885 I am not a worrior at least keyboard worrior & I never claimed to be...but as citizen & as a tax payer, I want my money should be spent on the things that will help this country to grow stronger....
We need AC man
Making a Vtol aircraft is extremely difficult, it took the Soviets more than 2 decades to develop it and we are just starting our aeronautical industry and we cannot build our own engines as of yet. VTOL jets require complicated engines and other design and development. The better solution would be to give the navy a bigger budget. I don't understand why the navy only gets 12% of the budget, it should get at least 20%, the army eats up most of the budget but still imports most of its equipment and ignore Indian platforms such as the Arjun. After more than a decade of development now they are telling that they didn't like the design but could not cooperate before. The navy helps in R&d and cooperates with shipyards for its designs and contracts most of it's ships in India.
You are correct bro
@@arbindthakur4736 About what? About the Navy's budget or about the VTOL aircraft?
I think we need cruisers and destroyer's 😎
1.There cost is less
2.made in India is possible
3.manufacturing time is less
4.number of vessels increases so we can cover our Indian Ocean.
5.earning from export and anti piracy missions.
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This is the best option.Having 4 heli carriers that can carry vertical lift aircrafts as well as helicopters will be a good deterrence for all adversaries in Indian Ocean Region.Jai Hind
We don't even have godamn helicopters to put on it 😂😂
@RISING SUN apache and Chinook helicopters for navy. They fail miserably. What's the use of howitzer for navy bro.
that's why NAVY HAS FLOATED 123 MULTIROLE HELICOPTER RFI
@RISING SUN They deliberately ignored Navy. Focused on Army.
We can buy vertical lift helicopter s
@@rupeshnair2844 ohh I am sorry but we only have helicopters that need a runway ☹️☹️
We really need to buy some naval helis . We don't have enough helis for the current ships and if these 4 lhd come into service . What ate they even gonna carry ?I know we are procuring some from the US but the numbers are very less.
It's hight time we shift focus to the Navy otherwise the mightly strategic indian ocean will be called the Chinese ocean looking at their speed of naval development. We need to focus more percentage of our defence budget from the army to the Navy
Navy is the future we need to spend here.
A quick fix solution which is also relatively cheap is to make - ARTIFICIAL ISLANDS!!
China and others are making artificial Islands in South China Sea. We can either invade/occupy islands in the Indian Ocean or make artificial Islands where strategic. With airfields and anti-aircraft defense systems.
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Aircraft carrier is the most important weapon in this era ..aircraft carrier are very dangerous moving maching keep this in mind
IN should procure Juan Carlos class carriers which has ski jump option. Can be used as helicopter carrier in peace time and with some modifications to N- LCA we can convert them into light aircraft carrier in war times.
Very good suggestion 👌
No aircraft carrier is very crucial for a strong Navy , importance of aircraft carrier never loss in future, an aircraft carrier can carry fighters jets, helicopter,drone, Anti submarine torpedo all and if our carrier integrated with air defence system and laser system then it can become deadliest
There are two parts to the question you are asking -
1. Aircraft carriers are behemoths which are exposed as slow, lumbering vehicles in the open seas. The future of naval warfare is going to be Jet Aircraft with Anti-Ship missiles and even say hypersonic anti-ship missiles launched from mobile canisters.
THEREFORE for the future you need smaller ships, more mobile ships, which can behave like a swarm and therefore more difficult to target but still lethal in terms of power projection. The swarm ships should be the equivalent of an aircraft carrier in terms of reach, strike capabilities and power projection with none of the vulnerability of Aircraft carriers.
2. Aircraft carriers need to be able to outreach to do surveillance, engage enemy aircraft, bomb ships and bomb land targets. The American Naval fleet commander had made a statement recently that he doesn't want ANY manned aircraft launched from his naval ships after 10 years. All aircraft will have to be unmanned drones! So this is where the future of Naval warfare is going. You need VTOL drones (which can be tiny) with lethal capabilities of maneuverability, carrying capacity and range. Maybe a hybrid drone of Turboprop plus jet with stealth characteristics would be ideal. Backed by a helicopter fleet for controlling the drone swarm and provide lethal missile capabilities. Finally backed by amphibious drones and undersea drones.
I do agree with amit's opinion, but if we can develop a Harrier version of our MWF and AMCA , we can seamlessly integrate it with our Helicopter Carrier but still we need aircraft carriers(AC). I do understand that design and development(D&D) of a AC is a time and monetary consuming process, but we have to learn the technique of reduction in D&D time consumption and invent a modular architecture AC which can be improvised 2-3 decades later, inline with what siddhartha bhowmik has conveyed.
I totally disagree with (respected) CDS opinion that we don't need a AC, rather I will say our Navy is being Frugal owing to the nature that we have less money to spend. In my opinion our require's atleast 5 aircraft carriers, 1 Bay of bengal , 1 Arabian sea, 1 indian ocean region, 1 docked at vishkhapatnam and 1 docked at mumbai on standby.
I do understand that a AC comes with its own fleet of destroyer, etc but in no way you can address it with a heli carrier.
I also understand that we are looking forward to our SSN program, but in my opinion Navy's war is divided into 2 parts one is on the water surface and other in the depth of the sea and we have to strike a balance between these two.
I would also like to point out that the distribution of our navy budget should be more surface of water centric than sub-surface.
Regards
Sandeep
This is a very good plan india must go with 4 LHD with atleast 250mt length and a minimum ski jump option. Along with that they can ask for an additional aircraft hanger wala floor. In that case total weight will hardly increased to 25000 - 30000 tonnes. For India specific modifications 3 best options will be Japanese Izumo class, spanish juan carlos class and french mistral class. As their structure have close resembles with our requirements. So we can modify them easily as per needs.
Aircraft carrier is most important organ of navy
If we have to maintain and increase are dominance Indian ocean region and counter Chinese activity.
Also to secure water trade routes and foreign relations
As per the requirements of Indian Navy they need 4 helicopter carriers then if navy goes with USS America class helicopter carriers then it is possible that US will provide us F 35 B lighting II fighter jets so that navy can operate these ships with full strength as 20 of such aircrafts can be operated from these ships and they can also serve as amphibious assault ships so that we can easily penetrate our enemy (China and Pakistan). If navy goes with any other helicopter carriers of other contenders then chances of getting F 35 B lighting II are very less and then our navy have to operate only helicopters and will not be able to use these ships with full capacity. US will provide us these fighter jets and their best helicopters like MH 60 R and Apache as accessories of these ships. If navy goes with 6 such ships then INS Vishal's program can also be postponed and navy might get these ships at very cheaper cost and more in number which will add up the number of ships. Also in today's world the country which has strongest navy can attack on any country as you take your whole naval firepower directly on the doors of your enemy. Also more number of such ships will be difficult to sink.
I actually decided to comment it on Navy's official TH-cam channel but they have turned off their comment section. May be you can reach my messages to them.
Japan has 4 helicopter Carriers and more than 45 destroyers and is a very lethal navy force behind 4th place India....... India needs 6 LSD for the navy to forfeit an aircraft carrier.... But in a long run we require 4 operational aircraft carriers by 2030.
Achi ships hae ,best of luck fr future.may india hv its own manufacturing of shipment like this.
Helicopter carrier makes sense. Helps also in evacuation of Indian national during crisis time. Indian navy has to rationalise its budget. More submarines needed.
India needs two variety of LHD, First type is 40k tonnage capacity with dual purpose of ski-jump with strobar type along with helicopter landing.
Other type is about 20k+ tonnage with helicopter facility.
China has launched a similar craft has 3 in construction One was crippled by fire during construction . One of these LSD s was planned by China to be stationed to be on the Bay of Bengal .INS Jalaswa from the US cannot be used in operation but only for training due to Wet lease conditions. Essentially is is a troop carrier for launching Surgical Strikes Combat batttalions with T15 Armada Tanks, Vajra & Attack choppers with Chinnok troop Carriers for Rapid deployments especially in the Indian Ocean zone as well as the shipping lanes of the Middle East. This is essential for the Navy for Projection of Force . During Peace times this can be used for Evacuation purpose. As well as recce functions of projection of Power. This also compliments an Aircraft Carrier fleet. Since it incorporates Sicorsky Anti Submarine choppers as Defence weapon If the Indian Navy insists as in your presentation a third Aircraft Carrier Vishal there is already a proposition by the UK to replicate its HMS Elizebeth blue print & assembly at Cochin for minimal down time in Construction. Also because of The Carona Virus a French Aircraft Carrier as well as the USS Roosevelt the Nuclear Aircraft Carrier is effected to fumingate & disinfect these 3000 crew crafts is an expensive proposition for these host Countries especially post Carona period when they are in A Finacial crunch. Its opportunity time for Indian Navy to have the capacity to take the battle to the Enemy Cost of Shanghai & Beijing as a deterrence & it reassures the coastal states of South East Asia not to do a tumble as Phillipines to please China. For the US it would mean delegating pressure on its presence not only in the Indian Ocean but South China Seas by the Quad Alliance members. It’s a win Win situation for all members. India could convince the US to consider Wet Leasing the USS Roseveltvto Indian Navy as INS Vishal akin to INSChakra the Nuclear Sub To Effectively contain China from its String of Pearls Strategy in the Indian Ocean to be a threat to the Middle East Sea lanes. This would also protect not only Malaysia ,Singapore,Indonesia at the Mallacoota Straits but India’s proposed Vladivostok / Chennai Shipping route in future. Sun is The biggest disinfectant especially in Indian Ocean zone where temperatures shot to over 50degreese. Before Indian subcontractors fumingate these Man of Wars. If not Nuclear Air Craft Carrier the the French Aircraft Carrier for the host state it would also incorporate Aircraft platforms for the French Raffele Naval version for the US F 35 B Naval VT& L version. It’s an opportunity by default. For India it would be a quantum leap. Nathan Sekhar Sydney Australia.
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Go for sister ship of INS Vikrant. Then build 2 plus 2 LHD,s.
Even this RFI was originally released in 2006.
MMRCA 2004
INS Vishal in 2010.
Decades pass by in just taking decisions.
Scrap & restart, scrap and restart. That's the sorry state of affairs.
CDs Bipin Rawat is now a bureaucratic duffers. Till he was the Army Chief he was like a dedicated soldier.
His mindset is still stuck in 70,s and 80,s.
He called Airforce a support force.
Economic condition kabhi sahi nahi hogi aapke anusar. What the armed forces have to do, they have to.
Otherwise even after 10 more years there will be some video mentioning that economic condition abhi theek nahin hai.
INS Vishal was first proposed in 2010. 11 saal beet gaya, economic condition theek hui ?
Potential of our Armed forces is being wasted because of bureaucracy wrangles.
Indigenous development of a V/STOL aircraft and getting it into service would at least take 15-20 years. if you look at the TEDBF's expected induction date that it self is 10 years in the future and it is largely based on the NLCA.. You can make a case for scrapping the Vishal by saying we dont actually need an ACC in the western theater given the adversarial navy's capacity, so two carriers that would ensure that one is always active in the Indian ocean region(while the other is in service), but these helicopter carriers won't be able to bring the same capabilities as the Vishal would've brought to the Indian Ocean theater.
Before planning to develop heli carriers instead of aircraft carrier...it's prudent to first negotiate for vertically landing aircrafts.. although in limited numbers...otherwise it will be useless...
if india wants a helicopter landing dock or carrier then the indian navies dream of operating a suppercarrier will be a dream only.
Instead of going for 4 LHD at 2.6 billion dollars at capacity of 20000-25000 tonnes we should go for something of the capacity of Wasp/America class or bit smaller with capacity of around 34000-38000 tonnes which supports STOVL fighters.In that way if we could negotiate with US for F35B in some way we could operate a squadron of 16-18 fighters on each ship along with 2 Multi Utility helicopter,6ASW helicopters like MH60 R/ Seaking.The 4 ships can be built at around 4-5 billion dollars,arming them would take another 2-3billion dollars,2 squadrons of 16/18 fighters would cost us no less than 6 billion dollars.The rest 2 we could use as LHD purely or only till we develop STOVL fighters or any good fighter is available.In the mean time we acquire important technologies like CATOBAR & EMALS within a time frame of 8-10 years which would help us in developing our 2nd indigenous carrier 2,by that time hope we would have less budget constraints & we would be better equipped to built it.
Instead of 1 big Air Craft Carrier we must
1. We can create lakshadweep and Andaman as two unsinkable aircraft carriers. We can deploy long insurance aircraft like P8 and Sukhoi there.
2. We need around 40 submarines with 6 nuclear attacks.
3. Turbojet engine
4. 6th Gen Fighter aircraft with swarm drones and AI.
5. Deal with japan to jointly develop 6th Gen aircraft with (japan developing engine).
INDIAN NAVY should go for 8 LPDs rather than 4 LHDs this will not only enhance amphibious capability but also would accomodate all helicopters appropriately, also the tech for making LPD is available in india and can be sourced from companies like L&T rather than involving a foreign patner.
L&T is good and fast builder best example is their delivery to Indian coast guard but I think they are better used to build frigates than bigger ships cuz we need more frigates and inducted faster in navy.
@@kulkarniprabhanjan FRIGATES are primarily used for ASW and for air defence roles in a fleet mission, if L&T can build frigates then they certainly can build LPDs as. frigates involve much more complex systems , even frigates are being replaced by LCS in the US navy ,all you need is to give L&T a chance to prove themselves.
We already are not spending enough in defence, it's less than 2% of the GDP against a conventional 3% prescription. So i think navy's demand should not be taken lightly. We should procure third AC too.
But the opposistion in india is saying that it is so high so u believe it
Half of the budget goes for paying salary & pension .😶. So we should have a 100 billion budget .
We need helicopter carriers on priority for navy plus it won't disturb our submarine program ,so here we can afford to shift 3rd aircraft carrier by 3-4yrs,may be 5yrs if we have 4 helicopter carriers
Indian navy should better focus on things that they can use against an adversary rather than things that they can show. Instead of air craft carriers India should get 40 subs, Helicopter landing ships and a plane with vertical landing capability. We should not copy what other country did 20 years back we should think what they will do 20 years ahead. Drones/Submarines are future.
Helicopter carriers are not needed. If the funding is the problem then decision can be postponed.But the third ac production time can be increased
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4 helicopter carrier is good idea 2 will cover Arabian sea and another 2 will cover Bengal sea bt India should make 1 more aircraft carrier..
We should go for purchase of helicopter carriers like mistrals and arm them with combo of anti submarine choppers and F 35c . It should be enough for India to maintain naval supermacy in IOR with another 2 carrier battle groups. Navy must delay the third aircraft carrier for atleast 7-8 years.
Try to make indigenous vartical landing fighter jet aircraft simmiler s400 a good option. But current timeline cant affort aircraft but can make air defence system.
F 35 को लेकर मेरा एक सवाल है अगर आप इसका जवाब दे सके तो जब f35 वर्टिकल लैंडिंग करता है तो लैंड होने से जस्ट पहले जब विमान गति में होता है और वर्टिकल लैंडिंग करने के लिए विमान किस प्रकार अपनी गति शून्य करता है इसमें किस टेक्नोलॉजी का उपयोग होता है अगर आप विस्तार से समझा सके तो आपका आभार होगी
Buy 4 readymade from France and then make 2 in-house which are slightly bigger and capable of VSTOL fighter aircraft's like sea harier or F35 C
Feel like such helicopter carriers are required along with capability for carrying amphibious assault vehicles.
But an aircraft carrier is an aircraft carrier. Nothing can replace it's place
But given the current situation, we can opt for such carriers and push the 3rd aircraft carrier to later date but any how have a 3rd aircraft carrier
Buying VTOL jets for these Helicopter carriers in not feasible because there is no option except F-35B. Developing our own VTOL jet is also not feasible economically or given the time it takes to develop a jet from the scratch. Purpose of these LHDs should be focused on amphibious operations only and not as power projection platform which should be left to the aircraft carriers. Rather than deploying VTOL jets on these LHDs as an alternative for aircraft carriers instead Indian Navy should procure more multi-role helicopters and attack helicopters to deploy on these ships. Navy's focus should be to build a strong and efficient amphibious force rather making these LHDs fulfill carrier role. Navy should have focused on first building LPDs, LHDs and then full fledged aircraft carriers like Soviet Navy and what PLA Navy is currently doing. Navy should use LHD platform in pure amphibious role only. Third aircraft carrier should be pursued but not aggressively at the cost of other critical procurement. Navy should focus more on nuclear and conventional submarine programs because the current economic situation does not allows Indian Navy to be a 'sea-control force' rather it can be a 'sea-denial force' for an interim period.
India should go for Super carrier with nuclear propulsion in excess of 100,000 ton capacity if it plans to make/buy one.
Anything less than that would be a compromise on requirements and resources in long run.
So India can build a 40000+ tonne aircraft carrier but can't build a 20000 tonne helicopter carrier,
Weird.
India should build superior run ways, landing grounds and hardened aircraft hangers in Nicobar islands, Lakshadweep and Gujarat coast line. These airstrips should have high end SAM systems, anti-aircraft guns. This will reduce need for a third aircraft carrier. If navy wants another carrier it should give another order for IAC Vikrant class carrier which will be ready by 2026-2030.
Indian Navy doesn't have money to go for 3 rd AC. Best combination is 2 LD like mistral + 2 AC. India cannot ignore LD which are essential for disaster management and rescue mission, can be used as support vessel. After this if there is any money left, it should go on to increase submarine fleet. Mr Rawat is correct here. If i would be in his place, my first priority would be how to stop china encroaching indian territory in AP and ladakh, and how to bolster indian army to stop china entering into indian territory. If India go for 3rd AC, can it stop china encroaching indian territory? Why i should invest more money in a place thinking about future, rather than thinking about present danger?
IAC 2 can wait as it is like putting money in one large basket. LHD concept is good which should be able to launch Brahmos missiles and should have anti aircraft, Anti submarine capabilities. India should invest in a cruiser category ship that can launch 30 Brahmos ER or NG versions along with advanced anti aircraft and anti submarine capabilities.
Subtitles in English will be more helpful or English commentary in future will be even more appreciated.
So, agr unka displacement 30k tons huan to 4 billions me 4 Landing dock ek accha option hoga..but usme 12-16 choppers ki jagah hona cahiye, phir high IND ocean dominate me bhi yeh madat krne Wala hai. Ka31 jaise choppers humko wider vision dega deep seas me..aur destroyers & frigates ka ek battle group bana ke hum 3AC ke kami ko kafi had Tak samhal lenge
helicopters carrier is good choice but 3rd aircraft carrier is also required
Pls make a video on XF9-1 supercruise slim turbo fan engine developed by Japan and any possibility of India and Japan collaboration to develop jet engine for AMCA
If we have STOVL jets like Japan, we can convert them into multipurpose destroyers with attack capability aka aircraft carriers
At present to tackle Chinese navy alone, India need max 5 aircraft carrier before 2032(in which India has 2) and India need atleast 50(ballistic + nuclear submarines) in which India has only 16. Because China has around 82 submarines and will have 6 aircraft carriers within 2030.
बड़े जहाज खरीदने से अच्छा है की हमलोग अपनी नेवी मे बड़ी मात्रा मे SSN या SSK को शामिल करें
This should be a add on.. but Navy needs another AC other than INAC Vikrant which is WIP. Vikramaditya is already 13-14 years old. Its reqd so that east and west both maritime borders stay protected esp from China (in east) and Pakistan (in west). It's also reqd from the economic safety point of view.
India should have 15 helicopter carriers of 40k ton category and 6 aircraft carriers. This can change the result of any battle.
i think that big aircraft carrier can be more useful in rescue missions then a helicopter landing dock because they can carry more hellis
Nice info Amit Bhai.. Was waiting for your video on this 🙏🏽🙏🏽
As Indian, why India is so poor in defense technology even though we have enough manpower n economy.. Is it due to politicians.. We still lack infrastructures to attract international companies etc.. 😂😂😂
I dia needs to work with Japan to jointly manufacture Aircraft and Heli carriers simultaneously. Will be mutually beneficial. Should be a continuous process integrating tech advances every generation. Always there needs to be 1 each in construction, will also help Industries.
Bhai aaj ki news b mast thi ye hui na baat simple aur saral baat smjh me agyi ekdm...
We neither need ACs nor HCs But submarines & fast autonomous attack boats (of the kind Israel is building) This would be the Navy of the future Not bulky slow crawling ships that would serve as target practice for aircrafts carrying Kinzhal type or better (sea skimming) hypersonic weapons & swarm drones As also underwater UUVs
We need more modern , advanced and equiped army, air force & navy rather than a large one. Money matters. No politics for defense. It's shameful when we thought about 27 feb. Pakistan air force is small but much modern with avionics. Chinese too. We need a change of mindset first. If we not, then plz leave the dreaming of a super power.
Should not we wait for the development of heavy helicopters by hal?
5 to 6 vertical landing aircrafts along with helicopters, per mission would be sufficient number along with helicopters and infantry..
This number should go beyond 4.. as we should deploy two each in Indian Oceans and south china sea for securing the sea lanes,, and our 2 aircraft carriers can be deployed one at south china sea and other at Arabian ocean..
A good choice, so that INS Vishal could be constructed in India even with delays, without compromising the security..
Sir..I have an opinion..IOR region is often violated by Chinese drones and submarines...
But submarines are stealthy and underwater machinery...that is costly too...
But if we are in our water and only have to hunt submarines we can use cheaper option for ASW...
Israel had developed unmanned patrol vehicle for 3 million dollars...and unmanned ASW capable ships at 15-25 million dollars a piece...that can launch torpedoes..
A single high cost submarines can launch a torpedo upto 40 km..but they are costly..and these ships can also launch them...upto that distance...
But you can buy 250 patrol boats and 40-50 such ASW capable boats for 2 billion dollars.....
I think aircraft carrier is most important.
Nothing can replace a moving castle on the sea
4 Helicopter carriers is better than Indias dream of 3rd aircraft carrier
4 Helicopter plus landing carrier makes more sense. We have helicopter, India should get VTOL F-35 for this if required, so it will cover the functionality.
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We not reqire LHD. we need ins toofan as kur 3rd aircraft carrier.
Vartical.tske oof jet is not possible because that jet we used in past aa they are efficient usa used same platform for there f 35 b varient but it stake agin long time and aircraft carrier also capacity for carry helicopters.
India does not need landing helicopter dock (LPD) India needs indeginous flat top aircraft carrier nuclear 3 and nuclear powered attack submaries.
We should continue local manufacturing of third air-craft carriers, it take decade to just make it, so in mean time if one of our aircraft carriers goes bad we can have option in future.
Sir considering current situation with both the neighbors. I think we should, consider all 4 Heli carriers with nearly 30k tons of displacement upto 5billion$ as you mentioned but concurrently we should look for third carrier as well because we have delayed that project for very long. China is going to Deploy nearly 4 carriers coming 15 years you cannot handle this level of threat with only 2 carriers. It's my opinion. Frankly we are to slow in any type defence purchases.
What if we mount a S400 on a ship and then arm it with long range cruise missiles like Bhramos? Would we even need an aircraft carrier in that case?
Hi need to know, why Russia is not developing VSTOL fighter aircraft even after in the past they developed the same but not used
Juan Carlos LHD or Mistral will cost more than 2 Billion per ship India can't afford them! We can make one Mistral class nuclear LHD with ski jump ramp so that we can operate AV8 Harrier or F35 B later. Then we can go for korean LHD Dokdo class or cheaper LPD 4 nos or more..
Plus some NH90 helicopters
Comparing LHD or LSD with an Aircraft carrier is not accurate.
Quoting your views presented in this video,
1. 8 Jumpjets x 4 LHD = 32 Jumpjets = Less than the total capacity of INS Vikramaditya.
2. Also, we would incur more logistics and other costs than operating a single aircraft carrier.
3. Now coming on aircrafts required for such vessel. Jumpjets are great aircraft but they have low payload carrying capacity. Also, these type of aircraft requires huge initial capital to procure them, more R&M costs, a highly skilled pilot which intern increases training cost of one pilot. I'm not talking about Harriers, in today's war, one needs at least F-35B standards aircraft. F-35B has less range (both in terms of Ferry and Combat Radius), low payload carrying capacity. This can easily hinder our Navy's performance, if (God Forbids) we go in a war against China.
There are other points as well which cannot be discussed on this kind of platform.
Therefore, I think our Navy is absolutely right by demanding the third carrier.
(These are my views, and I may be wrong as well.)
India should not waste time and get 5 nos of Japanese izumo class carriers which will be able to host approx 100 nos of f35b and 50 nos of helis
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Bhai want to ask you something
What if we use powerful radar of 1000-2000 km on ground station n link it with fighter plane instead of on fixing it on fighter plane ?
Aircraft carriers are vulnerable to modern hypersonic missiles and submarines. And to guard a carrier we need various types of warship alongwith. It's a huge costly affairs. We should remember during 1971 war INS Vikrant was sent to Andaman to avoid sinking and PNS Ghazi almost made it all the way up to Vizag. Instead India should develop uninhabited islands scattered around into static aircraft carriers/naval bases and divert money to build own submarines.
Helicopter Dock or 3rd Aircraft Carrier are not required as of now.
We need more submarines and Minesweepers. We have NO minesweepers.
There is no need to deploy soldiers through ships in the near future.
Just navy's stupid ego
Best idea or juar if we could manage it with tedbf or amca with varticle landing plus hypersonic bhramos with(nuclear warhead) extanded range.it would be a deadly defensive strategy.
Is there any plans to make aircraft similar to Harrier jets.
Navy is so deliberately ignored by allotting small funds. Even we have long coastline and we still focused on a failed state(🇵🇰) but China every time gave us a surprise in all manner.
Yes pakistan isn't our rival its china
I think 4 Mistral Class will be a great addition I mean we had a chance to buy 2 but we didn't want to risk our friendship with Russia. Anyways 4 Mistral with a fleet of Indian made and some foreign heli can make a good option even US army is trying to land their Apache's on to their ships and navy version of Chinook is being thought as well. So not a bad option plus these ships can carry Indian Army troops with Airforce Army and Navy Helicopters making them truly a joint system. best way to procure them will be to build 2 in India and 2 in France (for strategic reasons). 3rd AC we should go for it cuz when the economy gets better. the next carrier should be similar to INS Vikrant cuz building Vikrant has taught us many things and it should not go in waste. Uk did an excellent job they designed carriers and built two at the same time while buying F35B now within the span of the decade they went from no carrier to 2 highly advanced carriers. we should take a similar thought process and build INS Vikrant 1 and 2 at the same time but its not possible now. But if we can develop tejas vtol(example) then build 2 carriers around them or add more heli carriers with these planes.
Indian Navy should focus on buying SSBN that are less vulnerable..carry more firepower..as most of Missiles are nuclear tipped...and are more stealthy than aircraft carrier...
Bigger aircraft carrier are for power projection and lesser for maritime role...just like US carriers...they are used for targeting ground battlefield...we don't have such adversaries...for Chinese threat helicopter carriers are ok...and 2 carriers are sufficient looking at our current needs and economy..
Hi Amit
When we talk by 2040 india will be the 2nd biggest economy in the world after china, that means india will further grow from here up to 15 trillion economy by the 2040..
Suppose if we spend 1.5 to 2 % out of the budget on defence, that amount would be near about 300 billon dollers.. that is enough for an Aircraft carrier..and helicopter carrier..the thing is what is the first priority..India should master his skills on Nuclear aircraft carrier Bcos these are strategic assets this will take more than a decade to make an aircraft carrier spacially nuclear one...now we can go with aircraft carrier Bcos initial investment in aircraft carrier is not 3 or 4 billion dollars.this amount will be spent through out the decade on carrier.....then we should go with 2 helicopter carrier for initial stage to save money .. then we can give 2 follow on orders for helicopter carrier.....
It's only my opinion...
Thanks for lovely hindi video.
I was always against carriers for Indian Navy. Instead, we should have a variety of low cost detterences for China-Pak nexus. I am also surprised that navy and CDS have differences. National defence should have a holistic and dynamic approach in this era of fast changing weapons tech.
Indian carriers are sinkable if swarm attacked by 3 quiet subs.
Carriers need protective battle groups = very expensive + hold up battle assets in 1 location and then takes a long time to move ships.
All this just for 30 planes and the pilots are not 100% battle trained and if flat top is sunk, planes range is limited.
Carriers are an ego trip to avoid.
Absolutely Just an ego trip & buster
Av ke budget ko dekhte hue .....yhi shi rhega aur agr helicopter ke jgh f35 ya usse Jaise indigenous aircraft ka use kre to hmare pass 4-5 small aircraft carrier ho jayega ye av ke liye bahut achha rhega ....aur time v bch jayega ....kyuki aircraft carrier build krne me time v lgta h aur India me to 2 Times Jada lg jata h to av ke liye best option h aur baad me agar hmare budget ko dekhkar hm aircraft carrier v samil kr Skte h
We need to expedite this project urgently and for the time being forget about the 3rd Aircraft Carrier.
When we will start to think about retiring INS Vikramaditya, then we can start building the third aircraft carrier INS Vishal as it's replacement. INS Vikramaditya was commissioned in 2013 end, one aircraft carrier can have a max lifecycle of 35-40 years i.e till 2050. So even if we start building a super carrier by 2040, then we can easily commission it by 2048-49.
Another advantage of doing this would be that building 4 Helicopter Carriers would cost us around 3-4 Bn $ and price of one Vikrant Class Carrier will be about 4 Bn $, price of a super carrier would be around 5-6 Bn $. Hence it's logical to build 4 Helicopter Carriers and deploy F- 35 fighters on it due to their vertical launch capability.
Looking at our current economic scenario, the construction of INS Vishal won't start before 2023 atleast. If we start in 2023, we would commission it by 2035. It actually makes very little sense. Also our economic condition is such that we can't afford it as the govt would have to allocate a major sum of funds towards restarting the economy for the next 2 years, that means less funds for the armed forces. As Navy gets the least amount of funds, then the chances look even more bleak.
Here's where LPD/MultiRole Support Vessels step in. Multirole vessels can take on more number of tasks compared to Aircraft Carriers. They can carry fighters like F 35, Naval Utility Helis, Multirole Helos like MH 60 Romeo, Tanks, IFV, 900-1500 troops, can defend itself to some extent, though would still require a carrier group.
2 Carriers and 4 Helicopter Carriers are more than enough for us to dominate IOR.
At one time China wouldn't send more than one battle carrier group and if we can deploy one Helicopter Carrier specifically for the Andaman and Nicobar and perhaps raise a squadron of Mig 29 K over there, that is more than enough to fend of the chinese. Mig 29 K will also carry Brahmos NG.
Meanwhile our two carriers will take care of Southern IOR and Arabian Sea and the rest Helicopter Carriers can take care of Bay of Bengal.
In short if we are getting 4 Helicopter Carriers at the cost of one Aircraft Carrier, then we should go for it! Looking by the point of view of the current economic scenario, this is our best bet.
This will actually enhance our Amphibious warfare capabilities by many folds. Hence in my point of view, we should go for it and save the super carrier project for a leter date. We can make it when we are financially stable and strong enough to handle 3 carriers financially as operating one carrier is pretty financially draining.
हेलिकाप्टर कैरियर में वर्टिकल लैंडिंग एयरक्राफ्ट भी रख सकते हैं इसलिए एयरक्राफ्ट कैरियर विशाल की जगह 4 हेलिकाप्टर कैरियर रखना सही फेसला है
Carrier k compare m LHD LPD jyada useful hai.. troops transport degaster relief light carrier, island protection amphibians hospital command ship...