What Cycles Teach us About Design

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  • @DiceTry
    @DiceTry  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    If you like World building, stories and characters, then be sure to check out friend of the channel Joriam Ramos on TH-cam: www.youtube.com/@JoriamRamos

  • @neminem233
    @neminem233 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Crazy set idea: A set that is entirely cycles. just 100% cycles, no card exists without 4 other cards with a similar theme

  • @n.henzler50
    @n.henzler50 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    The thumbnail is the best. "Choose a creaturet card you own from the ganm outsidee, reveal that card, you lord, and puour hand. Remove Remove Living Wom the game."

  • @Reluxthelegend
    @Reluxthelegend 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

    1:20 "Consume the cards themselves" But people said I shouldn't eat the tasty cardboard. :(

    • @thepolishdestroyeroprpioru9164
      @thepolishdestroyeroprpioru9164 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      FOR THE LAST TIME JEREMY, YOU ATE THE 002 ONE RING DO YOU KNOW HOW FUCKING RARE THAT WAS?????

    • @TheLuckySpades
      @TheLuckySpades 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      "Let them complain. As long as the addictive ink is working, we can do anything we want."
      -R&D's Secret Lair flavor text

  • @JoriamRamos
    @JoriamRamos 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Thanks for having me, Dice :) I'm such a Rosewater fan, it was an honour to voice him. My favourite cycle is Avacyn Restored's rare miracles - the interesting bit for me is that, because the colour black didn't have the miracle mechanic (and also because miracle is very niche), the 5 horizontal pices took 6 full years to finally find their last missing piece, with commander 2018.
    When I first saw "Entreat the Dead" in black with the miracle mechanic, I felt something finally - oh my goodness, FINALLY - fell into place!

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for lending me your voice, you make for a decent Mark replacement

    • @JoriamRamos
      @JoriamRamos 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@DiceTry You should see me announcing I'm pulling off my driveway (I don't even drive, but I'm sure I can fake it)

    • @neminem233
      @neminem233 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What's that cycle, I've never seen it

  • @randommaster06
    @randommaster06 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Honorable mention to Tempest where every card was a story spotlight card.

  • @VinnieMTG2024
    @VinnieMTG2024 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +79

    Ancestral recall, lightning bolt, giant growth,dark ritual, healing salve. K thx bye

    • @w4lk4
      @w4lk4 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Yep. I came to comment this. The very first cycle. The one for three Alpha cards.

    • @GrayVMhan
      @GrayVMhan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Ohh yeah, the "grixis fucking rules" cycle

    • @adeptmage2293
      @adeptmage2293 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Oh are those the options for white and green? Sweet, good to know.

    • @nifynitm
      @nifynitm 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      best to worse:
      recall, ritual, rolt, rowth, healing salve

  • @midnightbard3935
    @midnightbard3935 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I love cycles! They're especially fun to collect and display, I was really happy to open both the legends cycle and the realm lands from my Kaldheim booster box for example! They just look so neat together. Also Strixhaven is one of my favorite sets for this reason, somebody on Reddit neatly put all the cycles of that set together in one image and there's actually like twenty or more, it's crazy.

  • @Maverickstyg
    @Maverickstyg 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    11 hours ago this released and its already underrated. Rhystic Studies level of evocative. Bravo.

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks, that made me smile. I am glad people are enjoying it, I put a lot of love into it.

  • @Somane27
    @Somane27 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    The quality here is astounding.

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thanks, I spent probably way to many hours on it

  • @yami_michael
    @yami_michael 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    mega-mega cycle do at least also have the alternate name of "Supercycle", given by Gavin a while back in a video.

  • @sasorispupet
    @sasorispupet 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think i like cycles best when they're mirrors, and not a full color pie thing. 'Angel of glorys rise' for human typal and 'zombie apocalypse' for zombie typal come to mind, same with champion of the perished and champion of the parish. i always love to see "Equal opposites" but that's just because they feel more special to me. We see cycles of the whole color pie spectrum (The charms come to mind) all the time.

  • @aceworldwar
    @aceworldwar 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This definitely feels like a lighter rhystic study’s video, I love it some times I want this style with out the commitment thank you for the awesome video

  • @MagusFlorren
    @MagusFlorren 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I knew that cycles were a common element to MTG. But I did not expect it to go THIS deep 😮

  • @energetek661
    @energetek661 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Love the brothers war uncommon cycle mention. They were such cool designs.

  • @warpsterdash5420
    @warpsterdash5420 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Very impressive research! I enjoy the categorization of them and definitions, my personal favorite cycle is the cantrip cycle back in Alpha, I don't think there is a more iconic cycle than the good ol fashioned Lightning Bolt, Ancestral Recall, Giant Growth, Dark Ritual, and while people may not like it, but I do, Healing Salve.

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You are probably right, it has to be the most iconic

    • @warpsterdash5420
      @warpsterdash5420 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@DiceTry hahaha now balance wise... different story hahaha

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      We shouldn't really talk about balance and Alpha in the same breath I think, that first go at a Magic set was something else, lol.

    • @warpsterdash5420
      @warpsterdash5420 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If you really think about it balance wise in a market where balance wasn't really a concern for games, like honestly its also its own pioneer for balancing its own game. Think about it back in the 90's we played boomer shooters where there was a CLEAR Heirarchy of guns, who is to say Ancestral Recall isn't the BFG of Magic games? The difference is technically anyone could run around and grab it then go on a murder spree, but its that same feeling I get when you 1v1 a friend in like old boomer shooters or really any old school game there either variance dictated the game or just clearly broken strats worked.
      So in defense of Alpha, that's on par with the gaming market that was available at that time. @@DiceTry

  • @erysecret
    @erysecret 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love the 2-card cycle of Live Fast/Die Young- One of the most brilliant card pairings of all time, from design to flavor to execution. I was working on a video about it for another channel- Maybe I'll upload it and tag you! Cheers!

  • @KunushiH
    @KunushiH 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is why I like Universes Beyond. It's fun to see how they design and express characters through the color wheel.

  • @alastairchong4824
    @alastairchong4824 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    saw the Dark Tower book on your shelf and that's an instant sub, long days and pleasant nights Sai DiceTry!

  • @okamiv5
    @okamiv5 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My favorite cycle are artifact weapons from kaldheim, that can create a spirite token to attach to

  • @StarshadowMelody
    @StarshadowMelody 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    "Not the best naming convention" Gigacycles. One step up is Teracycles. Then- fuck, was it yota or zeta next?

    • @yami_michael
      @yami_michael 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      mega-mega cycle are actually also called Supercycles.

    • @azetac_
      @azetac_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Next is Peta, then Exa, then Zetta, and then Yotta
      As xkcd taught me, Karl Marx Gave The Proletariat Eleven Zeppelins, Yo

  • @Atmatan
    @Atmatan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lowering your hand size is a viable play strategy these days. Helps you discard more and quicker, for graveyard manipulation.
    I'd like to see them print more mind eaters.

  • @shadow_flame2223
    @shadow_flame2223 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Crispy, delicious video. More of this, please

  • @Atmatan
    @Atmatan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Best mtg channel on the net, full stop, criminally underrated by the algorithm.
    Richard and Mark havent even contributed as much to the philosophy of this game as you have.

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That's a huge compliment thank you!

  • @playernamedjuju8607
    @playernamedjuju8607 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Your voice is so soothing. Also thanks for the content! Might have just found my new fave Mtg creator! I shall deep dive now

  • @CocoMura
    @CocoMura 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    3:20 WELL ACHTHYULLIIEE--- White and Black knight have a 3rd brother, the BLOOD KNIGHT which was as u may guess has the 2 hard red cost first strike and a 2/2. It's a funny name though as I would EXPECT it to be call Red Knight but hey, Wizards strikes again.

    • @StarkMaximum
      @StarkMaximum 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Once again, we suffer the sins of Planar Chaos being the alternate present "what if" set resulting in situations like this, where people "um actually" using Planar Chaos as if it holds any water whatsoever when the _entire point_ of that set was "what if we did things we wouldn't normally do". Blood Knight isn't a "third pair", it's a "what if the White and Black Knights were a White and Red Knight _instead"._

    • @CocoMura
      @CocoMura 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So you're saying that Blood knight DOES belong to the set..

    • @StarkMaximum
      @StarkMaximum 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CocoMura But it's not a set of 3, it's a pair of White Knight and Black/Blood Knight, because in the context of Blood Knight being printed, Black Knight wouldn't exist.

  • @brandtfees2625
    @brandtfees2625 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i love how you used a magic card as your mic clip location. :P

  • @fernandogutemberg261
    @fernandogutemberg261 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The cicle of life and death...continues. jokes aside. The end of The vídeo is perfect. Most of The cycles i didnt even realize were there.

  • @viniciuscatais8126
    @viniciuscatais8126 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Bro... As always, a great pleasure to go deep analysis into those precious theme's. What about talking of the artists perspective into the lore ? Example: Jesper Ejising my favorite

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He is one of the best for sure

  • @rocker1296
    @rocker1296 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The thought cycle did go up in power, you just need to put it in the right decks. I use all three in my Domia deck as an alternative way to discard my hand to be less than 7, while also being able to add blockers to the board.

    • @StarkMaximum
      @StarkMaximum 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The fact that you built a shitty deck does not make a card good.

    • @rocker1296
      @rocker1296 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@StarkMaximum my guy, you've never even seen a deck list, let alone played against the deck, chill with the judgements

  • @Atmatan
    @Atmatan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I personally think that story has been way too big of a focus for everything except the commander sets lately.
    We don't remember Lorwyn for politics and plot, we remember it for the insane world building and background lore.
    Most of the latest sets are completely unremovable from their plot. I don't think since around eldritch moon have we had a set that worked both as a standalone story as well as an expansion to existing sets.
    Everything else feels very narrow in scope, and while we've been given some great cards, the decks sorta build themselves lately.

  • @TheRealSpellstar
    @TheRealSpellstar 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this is a great video about game design. No notes 👍

  • @jeremyberner5164
    @jeremyberner5164 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Great video

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks! A lot of love went into this one, and I hope it shows

  • @wydx120
    @wydx120 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This video is very good, but I can't help to feel a bit disappointed. After laying out all the different types of cycles there are out there, I was expecting a closer look to existing cycles as examples of said types, and how each card in a cycle compares to the rest; sure, there are many cards shown on screen as examples, but they're often partially obscuring each other so they're clearly not meant for paused reading.
    This is an ode to the concept of card cycles, and a good one at that, which I appreciate, but it requires and assumes previous knowledge of them

  • @Atmatan
    @Atmatan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Shoutout YV.
    Keep getting those tags up.

  • @punkypinko2965
    @punkypinko2965 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lol he's trying to not look at the goofball in the mask 3:44.

  • @Sillimant_
    @Sillimant_ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    A video about cycles without the boon cycle is both staggering and appalling

  • @vovlasc9817
    @vovlasc9817 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I agree with a lot of stuff, but I really do have to disagree with the story spotlights. I personally do not like them because I feel like it lessens the impact of the story and makes it more simplistic and almost like wizards is just cramming it in our face. I honestly have fun looking through old cards and noticing something new or recognizing a character on a card. It felt more like a puzzle honestly and made the storytelling feel so much more smooth and just interesting. I think that cycles are amazing and incredible, I just really wish they focused on writing a story over condensing it into specific cards that they designate to put story significance. I want to be able to see a story throughout all of the cards, not just a few, you know?

  • @tamerofthewilds9987
    @tamerofthewilds9987 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ‘Remove remove Living Wom the game’
    Prolific thumbnail

    • @DiceTry
      @DiceTry  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Such Power

  • @Billchu13
    @Billchu13 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Call me a boomer but my favorite cycle is giant growth/lightning bolt/healing salve/dark ritual/ancestral recall

  • @Sp1cyP3pp3r
    @Sp1cyP3pp3r 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice!!!

  • @manuelito1233
    @manuelito1233 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Death Wish 3WW
    Choose a creaturt card you own from the garm outsidee, reveal that card, You lod, and putour hand. Remove Remove Living Wom the game.

  • @raysandrarexxia941
    @raysandrarexxia941 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It would help A LOT if you defined what a cycle was...

    • @StarkMaximum
      @StarkMaximum 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Got a fun little button for you to hit, right here! 1:00
      Why don't you click that and tell me what happens!

    • @FranciscoJG
      @FranciscoJG 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hmm, did you watch around 0:58 ?

  • @StarshadowMelody
    @StarshadowMelody 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I found the irl inserts in this video to be intrusive. Cutting back on those may benefit your channel.

  • @Big_Dai
    @Big_Dai 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please... Not all cycles are created the same. Kamigawan Dragons for one.
    It speaks more about a lack of creativity or imagination, as well as limitations from the designers.