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The End Times as a concept is not a bad thing, but the book series suffered from poor execution and lazyness, which is generally the complaint most fans of Warhammer have with Games Workshop when they lose interest in their own lore. I hope that as a more neutral reading of the events, W&W will give us a more interesting timeline without the dumb stuff. In any case, looking forward to seeing this series!
Yeah, you're right about it. The concept was fairly interesting, it's just that GW defaulted to the whole "Chaos wins" thing, they tried to push once already, with the Storm of Chaos campaign. It was recived poorly back then, and they learned nothing from it. To say nothing, about changing the personalites of some established characters, and killing off others.
It read like a normal hero story, but "... still it was not enough." For me it was unique because the message was, no matter how hard you fight, you can still lose. I've never read another book series like that. And I've got 400 fantasy novels here.
Warhammer has always had poor and lazy execution of its own lore. Warhammer 40,000 has an identical problem, which is why even the Wizards and Warriors channel cannot make them interesting.
So along with the Elves and Caledor Dragontamer creating the Vortex the Dwarves under their most powerful warrior, Grimnir would continuously battle daemons on the opposite side of the polar portal in the Chaos Wastes. That is why in the Great Book of Grudges, the Chaos Grudge is the first one to be recorded. Little did the Dwarves or Elves know of how both their races stopped the flow of Chaos in their respective realms so both races were very proud to say they were the ones to stop Chaos' incursions into the world but that certainly was not the case for the War of the Beard also known as the War of Vengeance between the two races (which you definitely need to do a video on that).
I've read the books and the dwarves are 100% in the right. Their high king tried to de escalate dozens of times and the phoenix king basically admitted to murdering tens of thousands of dawi under a flag of friendship.
@@notarealperson8956 The Dwarfen traders were always snubbed by the Elvish ones so after Snorri Whitebeard died relations cooled down. Then some Dwarfen traders were tricked out of good raw materials and other caravans were attacked and one led by a Runelord by some Dark Elves who of course framed it on the High Elves. The Phoenix King could have cleared those up but then he had to cut the beards off of the Dwarfen ambassadors and that's what did it.
@@notarealperson8956 no ? The Dark elves were butchering dwarven costal villages wearing HE uniforms and using their navy. The dwarfs didn't know the DE even existed and demanded the elves explain themselves. Then the elves refused to explain themselves for months until the dwarf ambassador got angry and insulted the elves, at which point Caledor II had him shaved.
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 Yes? The kings idiot brother attacked an elvish city before they ever talked to Caledor II, frankly only shaving the ambassadors after that kind of display was lenient
I do like the idea of a series on the end times. The great catastrophe and the vampire wars are also good events to cover. Though if you are up for it, a series covering the factions of the war for Karak Eight Peaks would be awesome. Queek Headtaker from Clan Mors is a personal favorite character in Warhammer.
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen as someone that did read all of the abominations they called "Bock's" in the End Time campaign, yes they are horrendously badly written
You should do the first battle of Hoover Dam from Fallout. I now it's not excatly within the previous established preview of this channel but I imagine there's already a lot of over lap between sci Fi and Fantasy fans. We also get relatively detailed information on NCR and Legion battle tactics so there would be less speculation than is sometimes needed for your channel
@@resileaf9501 The canon has him putting Grimgor in his place. In the SoC one, it was basically a 1 vs 3 with Archaon fighting Luthor and Valten followed by Grimgor that smashed his way into their fight just as Archaon was about to finish Valten after a grueling fight. And in the end, it was Mannfred that defeated Archaon's army. Grimgor's input only helped save Valten's life. Then Valten was murdered later anyway probably by a Skaven.
I don’t even know why GW was so L on making the end times. Most notable characters in the good side did very questionable decisions. GW also treated Chaos being invincible in Warhammer Fantasy unlike in 40K where Chaos and the Imperium are pretty much in a equal footing.
Because they thought they could not make of money of it so they killed it and made a 40k clone instead well the very reason why they could not milk fantasy was because they did not update armies or the models some where a decade old when they allowed wh total war they must have had a shock because as spear they did a somewhat revival of fantasy imagine the money they could have made there where no end times updated the models and then total war came out where New fans could buy the models but nope GW shoot them selfs in the foot
@@fenrir4446 well said, that is why more people liked 40k more than the fantasy. WH Fantasy could easily toppled Warcraft if it wasn’t even ended. Blizzard could’ve even made them WH Fantasy RTS instead of making Warcraft it is now.
Props to the Channel for making vids about this subject. The ET could have been many things under different pens. E.g. what I wanted was a revitalization of the WFB setting via having multiple theatres of war all contributing to the final outcome. Much like the dwarfs/thal men defense of Erebor gave the South the breathing space they needed. In this sense the status quo of multiple fronts could have been shifted, whilst unseen or unplayable factions could be introduced during this global crisis. Planetspanning problems affect everyone after all. But even if the goal of destroying the world was not changed, a much better narrative could and should have been made then what GW did back then.
I remember first reading the End Times books upon the initial release and thinking, “Wow, I can’t wait to see the shake up in the Warhammer World!”. Then by the time the Thanquol book came out it was evident the Warhammer World would just be destroyed. What a shame.
Absolutely love this video! Super minor correction: Mispronounced both Archaon and Be'lakor (you left off the "A" in Archaon, and Be'lakor is properly said 'Bell-a-Core'). Wouldn't've raised if not for the centrality of those characters to the lore!
Amazing! I've always wanted to know what happened to the Northern Dwarven realms as in the games, Kraka Drak was already deserted. Now I know what took place there!
Be prepared for some negative comments on this series. Not your fault, as the video quality is excellent as usual. I've been in and out of game stores for decades. I was working at a local when the End Times went down. The reality of the situation was purely a numbers game. Warhammer Fantasy brought in only a fraction of what 40K did. The stockholder reports were dire. Getting new players into it was nearly impossible due to the obscenely high barriers of entry. Even putting numbers aside, the system encouraged units of forty or fifty models. The model count could be in the hundreds. That's a huge commitment. The system needed an overhaul. Any reasonable person could see that. But veterans felt betrayed that not only was the system abandoned, but so were their models. After promises that every faction would still be viable, multiple lines were almost immediately axed. Not only that, but the narrative of the End Times seemed like it was poorly written for the sake of tying up every possible narrative thread, as opposed to a satisfying finale. All of that being said, it's canon. It deserves a decent series like this to get people up to speed, as the books are no longer available. An entire generation of gamers has now only known Age of Sigmar, and not what came before it. Just be ready for some salt from people who are still upset over the whole thing. In the future, if you're looking to explore a beloved part Warhammer history, I'd highly recommend the Vampire Wars of Vlad von Carstein. Solid characters. Fascinating back drop with the Three Emperors era. Ample opportunity to do sequels with his descendants. I'll definitely be watching this series should it do well enough for you to continue. Just wanted to give some context if the comments take on a sour tone.
With Total Warhamer Im preatty sure more ppl know more the old fantasy that age of space marines sigmar. And they are bringing the old world back so I think age of shitmar was not so good after all.
"An entire generation of gamers has now only known Age of Sigmar, and not what came before it." That's not really right. The Age of Sigmar still very much always reminding and/or makes mentions form Fantasy setting. Some times mentioning Old World setting as 'World That Was'. Or mostly having mortal characters from the Old World to become gods in Mortal Realms.
@@TheVergoner I can assure you, as someone who until relatively recently worked in a game store, that there are people who have been playing four or five years and couldn't tell you anything about the World That Was aside from the fact it existed.
They could have reworked the system and made it more of a skirmish game but they were hoping/wanted people to buy more new models as to drive that profit up and appease the shareholders. After playing total war warhammer and finally being an adult with money I wanted to get into the miniatures but after reading age of sigmar lore and looking at the models it does not appeal to me.
If i remember correctly there were only 5 Everchosen and Archaon was the last one, also Morkar has 2 stories of how he died, in the first he was the Everchosen while Chaos invaded the world for the first time and was killed like nothing by Aenarion, in the second one he fought Signar and died in an epic duel. Also, for non Warhammer fans, be prepared for most battles ending like this "the good guys were winning but Chaos had unlimited warriors so Chaos won" to make Chaos win the writters were so lazy that they just gave them infinite numbers, they just treated Chaos like they were skaven
5? You are so wrong. There were 12 Everchosen and Archaon was the 13th one. The Aenarion bit IIRc came from the RPGS which are notorious for being loose with the lore. M'kar backstory was shown in the Sigmar novels. He was a Norscan boy that survived Sigmar's genocides against his people.
Always very happy to see you covering Warhammer. Okay, this is true in general about every fantasy and scifi universe, but I feel like your Warhammer videos are even better than the rest. :)
I never played fantasy so I was not attached to it, saying that I found the end times to be great series of events involving all the factions and notable characters of the WH universe; although I do agree with it's criticism of being lazy and self-destruction (quite literally), I do enjoy it for the interactions it brings. All that to say I am very excited for this series and I hope they go in to depth on all the characters and events!
Well first -- When the Old Ones came -- there were already Living beeings in the Old World - The Dragons. And they were not realy happy that suddenly Strangers appeard and started rising the Tempreture. Like a stranger comes to your House and turns up the Heat by a Mile. The Dragon Emporer is OLDER than the Old ones - he´s the ruler of Cathay. That u missed. A minor Detail
@@vasslander9602 I really like the theory that his ultimate goal is to destroy everything so that there's nobody left to worship the Chaos Gods and they stop existing as a result.
You have a long and great series open to you. I eagerly await the detailed assessment of every battle across this series of books. The 1st Battle of Middenheim especially. Just a heads up though, his name is Archaon(Ark-ae-on) not Archon.
I have been reading the campaign books and I just love the battles. They are ripe with potential content, I'm surprised after about 10ish years nobody assessed the battles and the wars of the End Times
I am having a weird audio issue. I am not sure what it is precisely, but there is a disturbance and it has a pattern. The first examples I bothered to list are at: 8:10 It is in the middle of "Pinacle". 8:35 is another, at "those in which the chaos gods". 8:55 "the realm" There is a lot when you list Archaons 6 Blessings.
When was it that the Rivalrys changed? I swear when i first got into 40k the chaos rivalries were: Khorne and Tzeentch. Cuz Khorne hates sorcerey and trickery and thats tzeentches entire deal And Nurgle and Slaanesh. Since Slaanesh is about beauty and perfection, while Nurgle is decay and entropy Khorne and Slaanesh share a lot of aspects..a warrior can go to either for skill in combat
Please please please make a series about the story of Malekith the Great and the Sundering! It's one of the most underrated and yet one of the best parts of Warhammer Fantasy
This reminds of the last stand against the Nemesis in the Legacy of Kain series. It’d be neat if there was a small series on the soul reaver and blood Omen games.
Bruh, This sounds more like the Dwarves loss due to their Hubris. They saw the Twin Tailed Comet, they knew what was coming, and nobody thought "Let's put cannons on the other wall just in case they FLANK!"
I really like your design of Archaon. At least more than the one in the Total War games. I guess this one will actually ride a horse instead of a pony.
Hey team! I'm a huge fan of both K&G and now W&W. I actually never played or read any of the Warhammer games/books, so all of this is interesting to me solely from a storytelling and animation point-of-view. As such, please keep it up! I don't know pretty much anything about the content (I'm just surprised it's not in space like the 20K series is, but I guess that came later?). It feels like a much more violent version of the Lord of the Rings :-)
Can't wait for this series! I know a lot of people are not fans of the End Times, but honestly it seems appropriate to me that there is at least one canon Warhammer timeline where Chaos wins, even if it got a reboot.
The End Times as a concept is not a bad thing, but it suffered from poor execution and lazyness, which is generally the complaint most fans of Warhammer have with Games Workshop when they lose interest in their own lore.
Ya know Wizards and Warriors, I'm not a big fan of fantasy, but enjoy sci-fi. That being said, this channel makes fantasy seem like "real" history. Outstanding! Keep up the great vids. It also says a lot when I hit the like button before even watching the vid. Officially Devin, dude, you need to ask for more money because your narrations make these vids.
They are distracted by trying to stop the moon from crashing into the planet and are attacked by surprise by Skaven, causing the effort to hold the moon back to fail
@@benghiskahn3673 actually many lizardmen escaped to space. Though Mazdamundi and other Slann stayed behind to negate the skaven moon yeet to only on Lustria
I'm surprised you didn't mention the heroic defense of the Dorven fortress Kraka Jak. They still celebrate their victory with delicious caramel coated popcorn snacks.
This, he only took the job as Everchosen because he had no other way out. And he believed that in ending the world of mortals which emotions and worships feed the gods, it would starve them, causing them to wither and die
I could never get into any version of warhammer, I just can't take this much grimdark in one place. but the lore is interesting, so this is a good way to meet in the middle
WEAKLING! But seriously though, I don't think Fantasy is really all that Grimdark, End Times aside it's generally a lot more optimistic in it's stories. I'd say Warhammer Fantasy is more gritty than grimdark. The difference being that it focuses a bit more on the badassery than the edgelordiness
Amazing movie ! Great work covering such a challenging material as Warhammer, You guys never drops the pole. Thank you for you hard work on both Channels. Are you planing to cover Warhammer 40k after age of sigmar?
Out of all you could have covered, the War of the Beard, the Three Emperors, the Struggles of Aenarion. And you go with this. I love you guys but please cover the War of Vengeance.
Actually, I have been itching for somebody in the world to actually assess the End Times and the battles for a while since I'm reading the sourcebooks now
See this is how bad the writing is for the end times . Why wouldnt the dwarfs retreat to start with if they knew they had no chance why spend the man power trying to hold there when you could gather all the supplies from all the strong holds and hold out in the best fortified one . Being stubborn doesn't mean they are stupid. Just like how the green knight and abhorash the 2 greatest warriors just basically waited for the world to end instead of going to MIDDEHIEM . Oh and don't forget that whole Mannfred literal backstab deal.
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Sounds like a Dungeons and Dragons Game.
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The 666 Layers of the Abyss.
Before the End Times would you do Thrones of Chaos
This was a great story. But I'd still wish that you would do more Sci-Fi video's.
"Aw Shit, here we go again"
- Popular Imperial war cry when an Everchosen arises
The End Times as a concept is not a bad thing, but the book series suffered from poor execution and lazyness, which is generally the complaint most fans of Warhammer have with Games Workshop when they lose interest in their own lore. I hope that as a more neutral reading of the events, W&W will give us a more interesting timeline without the dumb stuff.
In any case, looking forward to seeing this series!
Yeah, you're right about it. The concept was fairly interesting, it's just that GW defaulted to the whole "Chaos wins" thing, they tried to push once already, with the Storm of Chaos campaign. It was recived poorly back then, and they learned nothing from it. To say nothing, about changing the personalites of some established characters, and killing off others.
It read like a normal hero story, but "... still it was not enough."
For me it was unique because the message was, no matter how hard you fight, you can still lose.
I've never read another book series like that. And I've got 400 fantasy novels here.
Wasn't it mainly just "Good guys makes a last stand" almost all the time?
@@gamerman782 It was "Good guys make a last stand and almost win until a traitor comes along and ruins everything" almost all the time.
Warhammer has always had poor and lazy execution of its own lore. Warhammer 40,000 has an identical problem, which is why even the Wizards and Warriors channel cannot make them interesting.
So along with the Elves and Caledor Dragontamer creating the Vortex the Dwarves under their most powerful warrior, Grimnir would continuously battle daemons on the opposite side of the polar portal in the Chaos Wastes. That is why in the Great Book of Grudges, the Chaos Grudge is the first one to be recorded. Little did the Dwarves or Elves know of how both their races stopped the flow of Chaos in their respective realms so both races were very proud to say they were the ones to stop Chaos' incursions into the world but that certainly was not the case for the War of the Beard also known as the War of Vengeance between the two races (which you definitely need to do a video on that).
I've read the books and the dwarves are 100% in the right. Their high king tried to de escalate dozens of times and the phoenix king basically admitted to murdering tens of thousands of dawi under a flag of friendship.
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 The dwarfs engaged in acts of war first and then had the gall to come complaining about the raids after the fact
@@notarealperson8956 The Dwarfen traders were always snubbed by the Elvish ones so after Snorri Whitebeard died relations cooled down. Then some Dwarfen traders were tricked out of good raw materials and other caravans were attacked and one led by a Runelord by some Dark Elves who of course framed it on the High Elves. The Phoenix King could have cleared those up but then he had to cut the beards off of the Dwarfen ambassadors and that's what did it.
@@notarealperson8956 no ? The Dark elves were butchering dwarven costal villages wearing HE uniforms and using their navy. The dwarfs didn't know the DE even existed and demanded the elves explain themselves. Then the elves refused to explain themselves for months until the dwarf ambassador got angry and insulted the elves, at which point Caledor II had him shaved.
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 Yes? The kings idiot brother attacked an elvish city before they ever talked to Caledor II, frankly only shaving the ambassadors after that kind of display was lenient
I enjoyed the detail in the background story of the end time.
I do like the idea of a series on the end times. The great catastrophe and the vampire wars are also good events to cover. Though if you are up for it, a series covering the factions of the war for Karak Eight Peaks would be awesome. Queek Headtaker from Clan Mors is a personal favorite character in Warhammer.
This just makes me want Immortal Empires more and more. Archaons warriors of chaos reinforced by Daemons. Yes please.
Can't wait for good ol' Archie getting his update
Awesome idea to cover the most "Rock and roll" part of Warhammer fantasy. Reading the end times is like Reading the tales of Ragnarok.
Right when they did sigmar I literally commented and said I would love for them to do end times then age of sigmar and wow they did it
No it isn't
It was a poorly written mess
@@nasir6r996 are you just bitter, that they ended your beloved setting?
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen as someone that did read all of the abominations they called "Bock's" in the End Time campaign, yes they are horrendously badly written
"rock and roll" very odd way of saying *shit and piss*
Can’t have one on Sigmar without one on Archaon 😉
I hope they at least make a video of Felix and godrich
Nice work dude
"Chaos... Pure, malignant, tumultuous mayhem..."
Or, as we call it in Brazil, "Friday".
Dwarves are known to be too stubborn to give up .
This video just proved it .
Omg I prayed y’all would do the end times and y’all are actually doing it holy shit this story is massive I heard
Yessss cant wait for this entire series! Amazing content
You should do the first battle of Hoover Dam from Fallout. I now it's not excatly within the previous established preview of this channel but I imagine there's already a lot of over lap between sci Fi and Fantasy fans. We also get relatively detailed information on NCR and Legion battle tactics so there would be less speculation than is sometimes needed for your channel
I'm loving all of this channel.
You guys are great at what you do.
This series has bridged a 33 year age gap for me and my girl's son.
"With hatred anything is possible." - Malus Darkblade
― Dan Abnett, The Chronicles of Malus Darkblade Volume One
Those books are the shit.
Who would win?
- Chosen of all the gods, empowered by numerous ancient relics, destroyer of empires
- One headbutty boi
Archaon. He chopped off his head. Later, Archaon would challenge Gork and Mork in personal combat and defeat their combined strength.
@@WitcherCrow Well, depends on the timeline.
@@resileaf9501 The canon has him putting Grimgor in his place.
In the SoC one, it was basically a 1 vs 3 with Archaon fighting Luthor and Valten followed by Grimgor that smashed his way into their fight just as Archaon was about to finish Valten after a grueling fight.
And in the end, it was Mannfred that defeated Archaon's army. Grimgor's input only helped save Valten's life. Then Valten was murdered later anyway probably by a Skaven.
@@WitcherCrow yeah, Grimgor just kicked Archaon while he was down, litterally
I don’t even know why GW was so L on making the end times. Most notable characters in the good side did very questionable decisions. GW also treated Chaos being invincible in Warhammer Fantasy unlike in 40K where Chaos and the Imperium are pretty much in a equal footing.
Because they thought they could not make of money of it so they killed it and made a 40k clone instead well the very reason why they could not milk fantasy was because they did not update armies or the models some where a decade old when they allowed wh total war they must have had a shock because as spear they did a somewhat revival of fantasy imagine the money they could have made there where no end times updated the models and then total war came out where New fans could buy the models but nope GW shoot them selfs in the foot
@@fenrir4446 well said, that is why more people liked 40k more than the fantasy. WH Fantasy could easily toppled Warcraft if it wasn’t even ended. Blizzard could’ve even made them WH Fantasy RTS instead of making Warcraft it is now.
You guys deserve millions of views keep it up we all need to share lads!
yes! you can even go deeper in every battle! I love the end times
Props to the Channel for making vids about this subject.
The ET could have been many things under different pens. E.g. what I wanted was a revitalization of the WFB setting via having multiple theatres of war all contributing to the final outcome. Much like the dwarfs/thal men defense of Erebor gave the South the breathing space they needed. In this sense the status quo of multiple fronts could have been shifted, whilst unseen or unplayable factions could be introduced during this global crisis. Planetspanning problems affect everyone after all.
But even if the goal of destroying the world was not changed, a much better narrative could and should have been made then what GW did back then.
I remember first reading the End Times books upon the initial release and thinking, “Wow, I can’t wait to see the shake up in the Warhammer World!”. Then by the time the Thanquol book came out it was evident the Warhammer World would just be destroyed. What a shame.
Keep it up guys. Both of your channels are the best on TH-cam!
Absolutely love this video! Super minor correction: Mispronounced both Archaon and Be'lakor (you left off the "A" in Archaon, and Be'lakor is properly said 'Bell-a-Core'). Wouldn't've raised if not for the centrality of those characters to the lore!
Good thing you mentioned that. It is kinda annoying to hear Archaon's name pronounced similar to Arkhan's.
Yeah, all I’m hearing is dorves not dwarves.
@@craigbrown04 For that matter it should be dwarfs not dwarves too! This isn't tolkien's work!
Yeah it kinda rubs me the wrong way a little, theres quite a few mispronounciations in the witcher and elder scrolls series as well.
@@Mrbeardable yeah, but that change was only made so they'd have something they could copyright
Ooh excellent hoping for Nagash after Archaon
I love all your videos both Kings and Generals and this channel.
Amazing! I've always wanted to know what happened to the Northern Dwarven realms as in the games, Kraka Drak was already deserted. Now I know what took place there!
Really awesome getting some warhammer lore! Loving this new channel guys!
Love Warhammer Lore, JUST LOVE IT!!! if you do 40K too would be epic, Star Gate and Star Trek.
Be prepared for some negative comments on this series. Not your fault, as the video quality is excellent as usual.
I've been in and out of game stores for decades. I was working at a local when the End Times went down. The reality of the situation was purely a numbers game. Warhammer Fantasy brought in only a fraction of what 40K did. The stockholder reports were dire. Getting new players into it was nearly impossible due to the obscenely high barriers of entry. Even putting numbers aside, the system encouraged units of forty or fifty models. The model count could be in the hundreds. That's a huge commitment.
The system needed an overhaul. Any reasonable person could see that. But veterans felt betrayed that not only was the system abandoned, but so were their models. After promises that every faction would still be viable, multiple lines were almost immediately axed. Not only that, but the narrative of the End Times seemed like it was poorly written for the sake of tying up every possible narrative thread, as opposed to a satisfying finale.
All of that being said, it's canon. It deserves a decent series like this to get people up to speed, as the books are no longer available. An entire generation of gamers has now only known Age of Sigmar, and not what came before it. Just be ready for some salt from people who are still upset over the whole thing.
In the future, if you're looking to explore a beloved part Warhammer history, I'd highly recommend the Vampire Wars of Vlad von Carstein. Solid characters. Fascinating back drop with the Three Emperors era. Ample opportunity to do sequels with his descendants.
I'll definitely be watching this series should it do well enough for you to continue. Just wanted to give some context if the comments take on a sour tone.
With Total Warhamer Im preatty sure more ppl know more the old fantasy that age of space marines sigmar. And they are bringing the old world back so I think age of shitmar was not so good after all.
"An entire generation of gamers has now only known Age of Sigmar, and not what came before it."
That's not really right. The Age of Sigmar still very much always reminding and/or makes mentions form Fantasy setting. Some times mentioning Old World setting as 'World That Was'. Or mostly having mortal characters from the Old World to become gods in Mortal Realms.
@@TheVergoner I can assure you, as someone who until relatively recently worked in a game store, that there are people who have been playing four or five years and couldn't tell you anything about the World That Was aside from the fact it existed.
They could have reworked the system and made it more of a skirmish game but they were hoping/wanted people to buy more new models as to drive that profit up and appease the shareholders. After playing total war warhammer and finally being an adult with money I wanted to get into the miniatures but after reading age of sigmar lore and looking at the models it does not appeal to me.
If i remember correctly there were only 5 Everchosen and Archaon was the last one, also Morkar has 2 stories of how he died, in the first he was the Everchosen while Chaos invaded the world for the first time and was killed like nothing by Aenarion, in the second one he fought Signar and died in an epic duel.
Also, for non Warhammer fans, be prepared for most battles ending like this "the good guys were winning but Chaos had unlimited warriors so Chaos won" to make Chaos win the writters were so lazy that they just gave them infinite numbers, they just treated Chaos like they were skaven
No wonder people were pissed off at the end times
@@MalcadorTheSigilite exactly, characters being stupid (the elf End Times was extremely stupid ) and Chaos being invincible were the worst
5? You are so wrong. There were 12 Everchosen and Archaon was the 13th one. The Aenarion bit IIRc came from the RPGS which are notorious for being loose with the lore. M'kar backstory was shown in the Sigmar novels. He was a Norscan boy that survived Sigmar's genocides against his people.
End times basically means that chaos got the cheat engine enabled.
@@Aestholus Nah. The plot armor of the WHFB races got dissolved.
Always very happy to see you covering Warhammer. Okay, this is true in general about every fantasy and scifi universe, but I feel like your Warhammer videos are even better than the rest. :)
Warhammer fantasy vids like this are my fav
Ready for part 2 that was awesome
Great content. Never stop. Warhammer Fantasy Battle is indeed the best Warhammer
Oh gods. You're covering the Lord of the End Time? Seriously?
This is going to be diabolically awesome!
Now the channel should cover Diablo.
I never played fantasy so I was not attached to it, saying that I found the end times to be great series of events involving all the factions and notable characters of the WH universe; although I do agree with it's criticism of being lazy and self-destruction (quite literally), I do enjoy it for the interactions it brings.
All that to say I am very excited for this series and I hope they go in to depth on all the characters and events!
Just finished the video and I'm ready for the next episode :3
I would like also to see the story of Warcraft fantasy universe. By the way, I love your videos. Keep going 👍
That would be a great idea, indeed.
I knew nothing about Warhammer fantasy lore, I understood nothing about Warhammer fantasy lore, and I love it. Cheers!
Well first -- When the Old Ones came -- there were already Living beeings in the Old World - The Dragons. And they were not realy happy that suddenly Strangers appeard and started rising the Tempreture. Like a stranger comes to your House and turns up the Heat by a Mile.
The Dragon Emporer is OLDER than the Old ones - he´s the ruler of Cathay. That u missed. A minor Detail
Warhammer Age of Sigmar is Heresy!! - Neverthless, this is an excellent video !
The best Warhammer End times Lore Doco I've seen on TH-cam! And I've watched alot of them now. Thanks for this
Can't wait for the Skaven stuff!
Holy Molly I love subjects you are choosing for these videos.
Man, Archaon is batshit crazy.
I like that.
Wait til u hear how he got done in
He gets even more interesting when you hear he actually despises the chaos gods.
@@vasslander9602 Pretty much anyone who really understands them hates them (and they find that hilarious)
@@vasslander9602 I really like the theory that his ultimate goal is to destroy everything so that there's nobody left to worship the Chaos Gods and they stop existing as a result.
@@resileaf9501 it's not a theory, that actually is his ultimate goal, destroy the mortals= destroy the gods that feed of their emotions and worship
Endtimes is the dumbing you can find but the best you can find, tactically and story tellingly. Keep it going please, more Warhammer!
You have a long and great series open to you. I eagerly await the detailed assessment of every battle across this series of books. The 1st Battle of Middenheim especially. Just a heads up though, his name is Archaon(Ark-ae-on) not Archon.
I have been reading the campaign books and I just love the battles. They are ripe with potential content, I'm surprised after about 10ish years nobody assessed the battles and the wars of the End Times
Awesöme! Lööking förward tö the next öne
awesome. Taking on the Endtimes is crazy
The way you described the end times it seems like we are there now IRL
Problem is we don't have an Everchosen to lead.
I volunteer
I am having a weird audio issue. I am not sure what it is precisely, but there is a disturbance and it has a pattern. The first examples I bothered to list are at:
8:10 It is in the middle of "Pinacle".
8:35 is another, at "those in which the chaos gods".
8:55 "the realm"
There is a lot when you list Archaons 6 Blessings.
I suggest:
Prince Valiant
The battle of Kashyyyk.
Gears of War
Battle of Antarctica (Stagate SG-1)
When was it that the Rivalrys changed?
I swear when i first got into 40k the chaos rivalries were:
Khorne and Tzeentch. Cuz Khorne hates sorcerey and trickery and thats tzeentches entire deal
And
Nurgle and Slaanesh. Since Slaanesh is about beauty and perfection, while Nurgle is decay and entropy
Khorne and Slaanesh share a lot of aspects..a warrior can go to either for skill in combat
I wonder if there are books depicting how Archeon changed from being a herald of Sigmar to a chaos lord.
I think there was a book about it, if memory serves. Either that, or it was in one of the Chaos army books.
He literally has a trilogy of novels.
@@dreamwar1586 what are the names of these books if I am allowed to ask.
@@AlaskaSaedelaere1 he has two books, one called Archaon: Everchosen and Archaon: Lord of Chaos
@@amandag.6186 Thank you ☺️
Wow. Just wow.
Now I can't even imagine how they would respond with Warhammer 40k, starting from pre-Horus Heresy.
Please please please make a series about the story of Malekith the Great and the Sundering! It's one of the most underrated and yet one of the best parts of Warhammer Fantasy
This reminds of the last stand against the Nemesis in the Legacy of Kain series. It’d be neat if there was a small series on the soul reaver and blood Omen games.
Really like your warhammer videos. Will you be making any clips about Gotrek and Felix?
Oh yes, the end times, here it comes. Thanks for this, your videos are top notch!
Nice you to cover the end times, like to see moore.
Excellent video man! I got an idea for the next series after this one, you should do the rise of Elves in Warhammer Fantasy (Aenarion's time)!
Bruh, This sounds more like the Dwarves loss due to their Hubris. They saw the Twin Tailed Comet, they knew what was coming, and nobody thought "Let's put cannons on the other wall just in case they FLANK!"
An issue with flanking is movement takes time. Even if they had cannons they would've needed extra shot and more importantly, crews
So you're telling me Archaon is Thanos? Collecting 6 Chaos blessings like they were Infinity Gems?
Or Thanos is Archaon
I really like your design of Archaon. At least more than the one in the Total War games.
I guess this one will actually ride a horse instead of a pony.
There is a mod called chaos steeds that makes all horses for the chaos faction much bigger.
"The Lord of Decay is jolly, happy and kind in his mannerisms"
Not a sentence i though i'd hear
So amazing you guys are creating warhammer videos. This new WIzards And Warriors kicks butt
looking forward for the next video. Also, do Settra's grudge against Nagash
Hey team! I'm a huge fan of both K&G and now W&W. I actually never played or read any of the Warhammer games/books, so all of this is interesting to me solely from a storytelling and animation point-of-view. As such, please keep it up! I don't know pretty much anything about the content (I'm just surprised it's not in space like the 20K series is, but I guess that came later?). It feels like a much more violent version of the Lord of the Rings :-)
Brother i watch your videos from Venezuela... Your work is amazing, thanks for your endevour
Can't wait for this series! I know a lot of people are not fans of the End Times, but honestly it seems appropriate to me that there is at least one canon Warhammer timeline where Chaos wins, even if it got a reboot.
Dude I heard the end times was pure chaos fighting literally everywhere
The End Times as a concept is not a bad thing, but it suffered from poor execution and lazyness, which is generally the complaint most fans of Warhammer have with Games Workshop when they lose interest in their own lore.
I thought the eight peaks conclusion was very satisfying.
@@thescarletpumpernel3305 spoilers...
It became Karak-no-Peaks
I just want to see them assess the grand battles and wars that happen
Love your videos keep up the good work!!!!❤️
Loved it, cant wait for more
Ya know Wizards and Warriors, I'm not a big fan of fantasy, but enjoy sci-fi. That being said, this channel makes fantasy seem like "real" history. Outstanding! Keep up the great vids. It also says a lot when I hit the like button before even watching the vid. Officially Devin, dude, you need to ask for more money because your narrations make these vids.
Nice Video. Can't say I'm a fan of the Endtimes. Honestly Storm of Chaos was better (and Storm of Chaos had it's own problems).
Watching this will hurt my soul so much...
can't wait for the last stand of averheim or the last battle in middenheim!
Excited for the next episode. Though I'm still waiting for the Elves documentary
Please do a video on Cameron the usurper and queen potema
Can’t wait for a Dragon Age universe video!🙌🏼🙌🏼
Got to start simple. with either the first blight or the occupation of Ferelden from Orlais
If anyone asks you how the Choas Wastes were formed, tell them "Really big frogs."
loved it! i cannot find what happened exactly to the lizard men in the endtimes though
They are distracted by trying to stop the moon from crashing into the planet and are attacked by surprise by Skaven, causing the effort to hold the moon back to fail
@@benghiskahn3673 actually many lizardmen escaped to space. Though Mazdamundi and other Slann stayed behind to negate the skaven moon yeet to only on Lustria
Could you please cover the Battle for Autobot City?
I see Archaon I up vote.
Yeah... until you hear to the narrator repeatedly butcher the name of our boy. 😂
Well, I, for one, am looking forwards to this series, it sounds promising...
Are we ever gonna get a video on "The Wheel of Time" lore?
I'm surprised you didn't mention the heroic defense of the Dorven fortress Kraka Jak. They still celebrate their victory with delicious caramel coated popcorn snacks.
One Note; Archaon did not accept the powers of the warp, including Heldenhammer, as being worthy of anything but an ending.
This, he only took the job as Everchosen because he had no other way out. And he believed that in ending the world of mortals which emotions and worships feed the gods, it would starve them, causing them to wither and die
Nice to see a norscan who knew chaos was evil and tried to take a stand.
I could never get into any version of warhammer, I just can't take this much grimdark in one place. but the lore is interesting, so this is a good way to meet in the middle
WEAKLING! But seriously though, I don't think Fantasy is really all that Grimdark, End Times aside it's generally a lot more optimistic in it's stories.
I'd say Warhammer Fantasy is more gritty than grimdark. The difference being that it focuses a bit more on the badassery than the edgelordiness
Try Necromunda. It retains a lot of the 2000 A.D. inspiration and humor.
Valkia is not a daemon princess, he is a human, just very very heavily blessed and mutated by Khorne
Othervise good vid as always and good models too!
She is def a daemon princess
You meant she
jeez a year ago already i feel like time really flys one of my favourite series lol :D
Amazing movie ! Great work covering such a challenging material as Warhammer, You guys never drops the pole. Thank you for you hard work on both Channels. Are you planing to cover Warhammer 40k after age of sigmar?
This channel narrator sounds like the one voicing the official CA Let's play videos on warhammer 3.
Out of all you could have covered, the War of the Beard, the Three Emperors, the Struggles of Aenarion. And you go with this. I love you guys but please cover the War of Vengeance.
Actually, I have been itching for somebody in the world to actually assess the End Times and the battles for a while since I'm reading the sourcebooks now
I know nothing of 40k but I love a good compelling narrative. You have that in spades, so I'll be watching every video in this series.
This is the Warhammer fantasy btw. Not the 40k one
This isn't 40k...
Tzeentch: All is dust...
Khorne: BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!
Slaanesh: I can make your secret desires come true.
Nurgle: Wanna split a bagel?
See this is how bad the writing is for the end times . Why wouldnt the dwarfs retreat to start with if they knew they had no chance why spend the man power trying to hold there when you could gather all the supplies from all the strong holds and hold out in the best fortified one . Being stubborn doesn't mean they are stupid. Just like how the green knight and abhorash the 2 greatest warriors just basically waited for the world to end instead of going to MIDDEHIEM . Oh and don't forget that whole Mannfred literal backstab deal.
That's right Valkia tries to kill me but I kicked her ass.
She even lost to my bro, Kouran
Tarriff: I’m about to end this man’s whole career…