All I can say is - IT'S ABOUT TIME!! 👏👏👏👏👍👍 My friend I run with is the Motor Guy.... He's a two Hobby guy, started in Model Railroading in 1975! When Crawlers became a "thing", he KNEW that the "any size you want - as long as it's a 3-pole" motors were going to suffer in the 0 - 1mph range. Especially Uphill. He's got model trains, with only 5 or 7 pole motors - that run effortlessly, with a 50 car train in tow, as slow as 0.15 to 0.6 Scale MPH!! 3-pole motors were completely phased out of that Hobby, by the mid 80's. At crawling speed, they would only do only two things..... BUZZ, or Jack Rabbit up to 10 SMPH. Super low end speed was nearly impossible! So I'm excited to see that someone in THIS Hobby, now has the vision to bring 5-pole motors to the Crawler World!! 👏👏👏👏 I can't WAIT to try one! 3-pole motors have worked well in R/C for many years, when the objective was 25 foot jumps, and reaching 100mph..... As you well know, Crawlers are a whole new animal. We need smooth, controllable torque, from a dead stop, sometimes at impossible angles. THIS, is EXACTLY what the Holmes Hobby's brilliant 5-pole motors will shine in!! 👏👏👏 The biggest hurdle is - all the R/C ONLY guys don't have ANY idea, what a superior motor Holmes Hobby's has made! I truly hope that the word can get out..... SO, you now have quite a bit of experience with them..... How are they holding up? How do you like the performance? Murph
I'm who he's calling the "motor guy".... I am excited about these Motors though! It IS about time that 5-pole Motors hit the Crawling Community. Sure, the Traxxas guys aren't going to like them!! 😜 For the rest of us, including those who never knew what smooth as silk starts and stops are like, or what full torque, from the first half turn are like, are going to be very pleasantly surprised!! They *are Expensive!* BUT, they're actually cheaper than the HP 5-Pole Motors that I buy for my Trains.... Carmine 🚂 .....BTW, thanks Murph, for the gratuitous flattery!!! 😀😀
Love the way you're approaching this Harley. Great to see the content evolve with long time viewers while remaining helpful to newer viewers. Well done man. Thank you. =)
Nice info on the motors. However, when desoldering tin your iron a bit it will help with your heat transfer to the project and make things quicker and easier to get wires off and the new joint adhere.
your the Man you explain things so well. I'm new to hobby but jumped in I have a Bomber, Dingo, and Deadbolt for Trail Trucks your Channel is a huge help
Question. Holmes Hobbies' recommends a 5.5 to 1 spur to pinion ratio with that motor. Stock Deadbolt gearing (56 spur and 13 pinion) is 4.3 to 1. If I use the crawlmaster 13t, will I need a smaller pinion?
Watching your temps is always important but on an SCX10 the gearing is a little easier on the motor. The gearing Holmes has listed is for the Wraith more specifically with much larger tires. So the stock gearing in the Deadbolt is just fine on this motor.
I did not know a hole lot about the home hobbies motor. Very interesting. Now that would be a replacement upgrade for the stock right? You would not replace a rock 412 for that motor? Another great vid, short and sweet. Sometimes some people tent to run on when it really is not that necessary.
The ROC412 is an amazing motor, one of my all time favorites. However at this stage in the budget build it's not realistic to use that. Also, being that I am really going for a mainly crawling rig with this one, I don't think it is as needed. I use the ROC412 in most of my builds, but I don't think it's in the near future for this truck.
Harley Designs would you recommend a roc412 for a yeti? Im really interested in wht you are gonna put in to ythe kit build you have because I have a yeti kit on pre orderand was thinking about putting a castle 3800 540 can with a sidewinderv3 but what is your opinion?
I'm currently running a 21.5t brushless set-up in my SCX10, I'm happy with the performance but I have considered trying a brushed motor. Do you think it's worth me trying one?
Sensored brushless systems are a great choice. I think you should just keep it if you are satisfied with it. They are very efficient and when setup well can perform quite nicely. Brushed is great for crawling and that is my focus with this truck.
Harley Designs Thanks for your thoughts. It is a sensored brushless system which I am running. A Hobbywing Justock esc and a Vampire Racing 21.5t motor with a high torque rotor. I have it geared quite low at 80t spur & 18t pinion, 48dp. It runs a bit faster than walking pace. I do a mix of trial running and some crawling. I'd like to enter a competition next year too which was my main reason for thinking I would need a brushed setup.
Many comps will require a waterproof setup, and that is much easier with brushed. Plus the low speed control will be better with brushed. For competition with a 1.9 size truck I would normally chose brushed.
The stock motor in a Poison Spyder is not a good choice from Axial out of the box. It is geared too high and builds too much heat. I did this exact same motor in my Poison Spyder Budget build and showed a speed comparison, so you should be able to see exactly how it would compare. Take a look back at that series.
Those are old comms, I have a bunch laying around. I usually just swapped motor every year rather than servicing motor. Just a laziness thing! Swapping brushes was about all I do.
All I can say is - IT'S ABOUT TIME!! 👏👏👏👏👍👍
My friend I run with is the Motor Guy.... He's a two Hobby guy, started in Model Railroading in 1975! When Crawlers became a "thing", he KNEW that the "any size you want - as long as it's a 3-pole" motors were going to suffer in the 0 - 1mph range. Especially Uphill.
He's got model trains, with only 5 or 7 pole motors - that run effortlessly, with a 50 car train in tow, as slow as 0.15 to 0.6 Scale MPH!!
3-pole motors were completely phased out of that Hobby, by the mid 80's. At crawling speed, they would only do only two things..... BUZZ, or Jack Rabbit up to 10 SMPH. Super low end speed was nearly impossible!
So I'm excited to see that someone in THIS Hobby, now has the vision to bring 5-pole motors to the Crawler World!! 👏👏👏👏
I can't WAIT to try one!
3-pole motors have worked well in R/C for many years, when the objective was 25 foot jumps, and reaching 100mph.....
As you well know, Crawlers are a whole new animal. We need smooth, controllable torque, from a dead stop, sometimes at impossible angles. THIS, is EXACTLY what the Holmes Hobby's brilliant 5-pole motors will shine in!! 👏👏👏
The biggest hurdle is - all the R/C ONLY guys don't have ANY idea, what a superior motor Holmes Hobby's has made!
I truly hope that the word can get out.....
SO, you now have quite a bit of experience with them..... How are they holding up? How do you like the performance?
Murph
I'm who he's calling the "motor guy"....
I am excited about these Motors though! It IS about time that 5-pole Motors hit the Crawling Community. Sure, the Traxxas guys aren't going to like them!! 😜 For the rest of us, including those who never knew what smooth as silk starts and stops are like, or what full torque, from the first half turn are like, are going to be very pleasantly surprised!!
They *are Expensive!* BUT, they're actually cheaper than the HP 5-Pole Motors that I buy for my Trains....
Carmine 🚂
.....BTW, thanks Murph, for the gratuitous flattery!!! 😀😀
Love the way you're approaching this Harley. Great to see the content evolve with long time viewers while remaining helpful to newer viewers. Well done man. Thank you. =)
Nice info on the motors. However, when desoldering tin your iron a bit it will help with your heat transfer to the project and make things quicker and easier to get wires off and the new joint adhere.
your the Man you explain things so well. I'm new to hobby but jumped in I have a Bomber, Dingo, and Deadbolt for Trail Trucks your Channel is a huge help
Very good explaination on the armatures and motor winds (things I didn't know,myself),thanks my friend. Great update/video,good tutorials :)
Southern Missouri huh? Me too. Let's hit the trails!
I said southern but it was more central I guess, the Ozarks specifically. I visit there quite often to see family. I live in the Kansas City area.
Great upgrades Harley, love your build series!
MIDWID!
Question. Holmes Hobbies' recommends a 5.5 to 1 spur to pinion ratio with that motor. Stock Deadbolt gearing (56 spur and 13 pinion) is 4.3 to 1. If I use the crawlmaster 13t, will I need a smaller pinion?
Watching your temps is always important but on an SCX10 the gearing is a little easier on the motor. The gearing Holmes has listed is for the Wraith more specifically with much larger tires. So the stock gearing in the Deadbolt is just fine on this motor.
What state parks do you run in souther MO. Im from southeast MO just wondering thanx. Great build videos!
Hey nice video, but I was wondering how often are you going to be replacing brushes?
On 3s lipo I usually only have to change brushes maybe once or twice a season.
Harley Designs Thanx and do you still recommend the heavy duty turnigy 2200 mah 3s?
IACDMac Sorry I missed this one. Yes those are still the packs I use.
Is that the motor they have labeled for the Twin Hammers?
I did not know a hole lot about the home hobbies motor. Very interesting. Now that would be a replacement upgrade for the stock right? You would not replace a rock 412 for that motor? Another great vid, short and sweet. Sometimes some people tent to run on when it really is not that necessary.
The ROC412 is an amazing motor, one of my all time favorites. However at this stage in the budget build it's not realistic to use that. Also, being that I am really going for a mainly crawling rig with this one, I don't think it is as needed. I use the ROC412 in most of my builds, but I don't think it's in the near future for this truck.
Harley Designs would you recommend a roc412 for a yeti? Im really interested in wht you are gonna put in to ythe kit build you have because I have a yeti kit on pre orderand was thinking about putting a castle 3800 540 can with a sidewinderv3 but what is your opinion?
I'm currently running a 21.5t brushless set-up in my SCX10, I'm happy with the performance but I have considered trying a brushed motor. Do you think it's worth me trying one?
Sensored brushless systems are a great choice. I think you should just keep it if you are satisfied with it. They are very efficient and when setup well can perform quite nicely. Brushed is great for crawling and that is my focus with this truck.
Harley Designs Thanks for your thoughts. It is a sensored brushless system which I am running. A Hobbywing Justock esc and a Vampire Racing 21.5t motor with a high torque rotor. I have it geared quite low at 80t spur & 18t pinion, 48dp. It runs a bit faster than walking pace. I do a mix of trial running and some crawling. I'd like to enter a competition next year too which was my main reason for thinking I would need a brushed setup.
Many comps will require a waterproof setup, and that is much easier with brushed. Plus the low speed control will be better with brushed. For competition with a 1.9 size truck I would normally chose brushed.
What soldering iron did you use?
Track power soldering station
Harley Designs
What temp do you have it set to?
cool video nice truck i have the same one its really nice
If I were to run this motor in a stock poison spyder would I lose much..if any topend..I want the slower start up but dont want to loose much topend
The stock motor in a Poison Spyder is not a good choice from Axial out of the box. It is geared too high and builds too much heat. I did this exact same motor in my Poison Spyder Budget build and showed a speed comparison, so you should be able to see exactly how it would compare. Take a look back at that series.
Harley Designs thank u very much...I should have look there first...I will take a look..
Skizzle !!! I have done that as far as stock will let me. Time for more power.....
Skizzle !!! I will do that...thanks bro
Skizzle !!! There are many other motors to chose from now. Trying to find an old Trinity motor wouldn't be the best choice.
Can this motor take 3S?
All I run is 3s, the motor handles it very well.
Sweet, thanks.
Love ur budget builds in the future would you be in to a 1/10 (1/8) summit budget build ?
nice a local Missouri guy
gutes video,gruß aus germany /münchen
Thank you sir!
Harley, you need a new tip and from the looks of those armatures, a comm lathe lol.
Those are old comms, I have a bunch laying around. I usually just swapped motor every year rather than servicing motor. Just a laziness thing! Swapping brushes was about all I do.
I expected more from you Harley! Seriously though, keep up the good work man.