If the county fair offers to settle, she should reject whatever settlement they offer and force them to appear in court. You know, to teach them a lesson.
@@Aidscapade71 Maybe you can't ignore a settlement, but you can reject a settlement OFFER. The fair CEO needs to lose her self aggrandized position. She should not be dealing with other people's children.
I’m just in awe that the auction house was able to get the LEOs to drive 500 miles for a goat. You can’t even get them to kick someone out your house for trespassing or even try to locate a stolen vehicle.
I would be willing to bet that the Fair CEO mentioned the Senator's name. Not what the Mother and the Senator had agreed on, ( to let the kid keep the goat) . But just to "use" the name to get the LEO s into doing their bidding.
most likely that one or more of the LEO's is related to the CEO of the fair, that being said it's still no excuse for letting themselves get involved as they have wide discretion here and there is more than enough 'gray area' here for anyone with two functioning brain cells to step back and say to themselves; 'maybe this ain't such a good idea' lets see what a DA or a lawyer says about this...SMFH
I was a 4-H goat leader for years. Frequently a kid gets attached to their goat and it’s been the policy of the fair to allow the child to pay a no sale fee and keep their animal
Thus has been a thing for decades. They had this when I was young and a member of 4h. My kids were never part of 4H but we still raise goats. If I had any kids right now that I would happily give her one. The fair board screwed up big time on this one.
So someone steals your house by moving into it when you aren't around and the police will tell you "it's a civil matter" but when it's a goat they will drive around the state for it.
In a version with no squatting where someone stole your car, they wouldn't do more than phone the local PD where it was known to be located, and tell you that you or your agent could try to go get it through that PD.
That fair/4H director said they did this to teach that child a lesson sure hit the nail on the head. They taught her (and the other kids) Don't trust anybody in authority.
@Mainely Isn't that clear? The point of this while thing is to desensitize children to the slaughter of animals, probably to make them good farmers or something. That's why the mother's offer to reimburse was rejected, it never was about money
@@mzmadmike The kid is 9 years old!!! Most kids don't even know what planet they're on at that age.... Let alone what a contract means--that's why contracts cannot be signed by minors and are unenforcable....
Children do need to learn that there are psychopaths out there who will hurt them for the pure entertainment value of it. So I guess mission accomplished?
Right! Not only that but these people are government officials who we are supposed to trust. Do I trust the government? Of course I do. I trust that the government will take you down one way or the other.
And people will lie to manipulate law enforcement to get their way. And there are some Law enforcement that don't investigate or follow the law either.
Even if this had all gone right, the girl would have learned she's not farmer material. That's not the lesson that the fair director wanted to teach, but I don't see that as undermining their mission.
I grew up raising and showing goats in the 4-H. Everyone I knew at the fairs loved their goats and treated them as pets. Anyone of us would be devastated if a fair official forcibly took a goat from us. The only lesson that little girl learned is that you can't trust the government or fair officials.
Or simply you can't trust authority. Had a similar situation happen to me at that age, and though it can be a healthy mistrust in some situations, it's incredibly isolating and makes it hard to trust the authorities who are actually on your side.
So you were aware your goats were to be slaughtered? Or did you think they were auctioned and sent to live on a farm somewhere else?? That's what my folks would have told me!!
@@trashcatlinol The longer I live, the more instances I see, and the greater my cynisism towards earthly authority. For every --rare-- situation where it can be thought "Oh I'm glad the authorities took care of that" I encounter 50 where I just shake my head and think we'd be better off if they all decided to follow Musk to mars.
BuT iT wAs To TeAcH hEr A lEsSon!!111!!111!! I've read a few different versions of this story before this video from Steve, the whole thing is a load of BS.
The courts actually just ruled police enforce traffic laws, not for safety but for profit. How many times do the courts have reinforce the ruling that nobody from government has any duty to protect citizens before people accept none of it has anything to do with public safety?
I have been in law enforcement for almost 5 decades, I was also the director of a 4-H horse project, as well as a club leader. Some of our members had goats,chickens cows ducks and other animals. This situation is so stupid that I feel like screaming. All the trouble and money spent to take this to "justice" is nuts. It's no wonder that some people hate law enforcement. All this over a PET goat ans a 9 year old child. The fair committee should be ashamed of themselves.
Yep, last I knew the 4-H club isn't the contract police and they have no business doing anything like this. The mother made a perfectly reasonable and respectful offer to address the situation without causing harm or expense to any involved party, and rather than accept the decision and agreement that the mother and the buyer made, they wanted to swing their nuts around and show a nine year old child who's boss. The fair officials and the police involved should be imprisoned. The state legislator is good, of course
Shame and self examination are the LAST things on the minds of people that get on committees and do this to others! The fact remains that people who would make good unselfish decisions very seldom WANT to join the political circus in ANY capacity! They usually just want to live as they want and be just left alone.
Government isn't your friend and especially not cops. Never has been, never will be. There is a reason that of 10 Amendments in the Bill of Rights, 4 concern criminal procedure -- the guys who wrote the Constitution weren't being easy on crime; they were being hard on government because these are the first rights abused by illegitimate government and its agents. Read John Whitehead's A GOVERNMENT OF WOLVES: THE EMERGING AMERICAN POLICE STATE.
If the stated motive for taking and killing the goat was to "teach the girl a lesson", that sounds like admitting motive to intentional infliction of emotional distress.
The fair officials definitely taught the little girl something...... To NEVER show one of her animals at the fair again, and to HATE those officials whom seized the pet, took it away, and ultimately murdered the pet for a BarBque.....so she will have hard feelings toward everyone involved for the rest of her life.
She's not going to have any warm fuzzies for the cops either. Well said, by the way, I was trying to come up with similar sentiments but you did a better job of it than i could.
The 1st line of the 4-H pledge is "I pledge my head to clearer thinking." Obviously the 4-H fair CEO was not living up to that pledge and should be immediately removed as CEO.
This sounds like a breach of contract, a civil matter. Police should have just told them it's a civil matter, like they do with other things that are actually criminal.
@@Tugela60 there was nothing to comply with yet. There was no court order, no writ, nothing. The civil matter needs to be decided before it can be enforced.
Thing is with rural stuff like that, the person running the fair has fingers in every single pie. This includes county law enforcement. Were they in jurisdiction and were they with a warrant. Two important questions
Yeah if non-delivery of merchandise was a crime, ecommerce would not be able to function. Every lost package would be a misdemeanor or worse. I don't see how this can rise to the level of criminal intent especially considering the girl's family or their agents have been in possession of the goat the entire time. It's undelivered merchandise, I think, criminally speaking. It's also not like they set out to commit some kind of fraud where they trick people into bidding on their goat then paying back all the money. That would be a terrible scheme. At this point, it should be sorted out in civil court. Using the police was the wrong move. Whoever signed that warrant should be out of a job.
I live in Shasta County, but I missed hearing about this one! The stupidity of the Fair officials started all this. I know of cases where children in the 4H program, especially young children, didn't want their animal killed. So someone bought the animal and gave it back to the kid. In this case it was our local State senator. I can't imagine any politician missing a chance of a picture of themself returning a loved pet to a child and I think that's what he would have done if he could. I blame the Shasta District Fair officials and the Sheriff's Office. When I think of MY tax dollars being spent on such a trivial cause it makes me very angry!
Then do something. Make noise to your local newspaper. Get involved in the Sheriff election. Contact the local 4-H chapters in your county. Justice doesn’t get done in the dark. It requires sunlight. Enlist others to join you. Everyday we stand between righteousness and evil. You make your own choice to fight or walk away. Good luck. If you decide to pursue that course, I wish you success.
I agree about the politician and the publicity. On Point. This is the type of publicity that can't be bought and good politicians know and understand it.
I can imagine the conversation the Senator had with his senior staff. Senator, "What should I do about this?". Staff, " Do you want to see national headlines that read "Senator X butchers a 9-year-olds pet baby goat". Senator, "Hell NO." Staff, "Let the girl keep it." Senator, "Great idea, do it."
You mean jump in with both feet just to fulfil their ego and whim upon a child ? These people are clearly doing something else with children and they need to be investigated
They get hard, exerting force on people. We no longer live in a Republic, we live in an oligarchy. And a police state set up around protecting the oligarchs.
I just want to applaud the mother for doing everything she could to stand up for her daughter. Not every parent would offer that much trouble and money over a pet goat. She truly just wanted her daughter to be happy.
I'm not giving the mom a standing ovation. My POV is the mom wasn't open with her daughter about what would happen to the goat because she saw it as an easy way to get rid of the goat once it was no longer small and cute. It was late in the game when the daughter found out what was going on and mom was desperate not to be the bad guy. So now, all of a sudden, mom is the good guy. Until next time.
Teaching someone else's kid "a lesson" will be the most expensive motivation in history. Also, since the value of the goat was under $1000, how can that possibly be "grand theft?"
@@davidclough3951 and since the value of the goat is under that, still not Grand Theft by statute. The fair manager needs to be charged with filing a false police report.
sadly its California they do that . some people are afraid of the san andreas fault dropping half of ca into the ocean i am looking forward to it it will get rid of the bad part of CA
Not a lawyer. But I'll take a stab at it anyway. To finalize a contract, it is my belief that earnest money or goods must change hands for a contract to be valid and enforceable. That appears not to have happened here.
They made a contract with a minor, thus within a reasonable time, the minor can cancel the contract. Cali law. So the goat was their property and the auction sold something which they didn't own.
@@cdc3 Not exactly. Lehto did a video a bit ago talking about this topic, but you can have a contract before either money or goods change hands. The legal-non-answer is the contract is formed when there is an exchange of obligations. But that is kinda just saying the contract is formed when the contract is formed. As a distinct, but related matter, is when a _particular_ item changes ownership. If you enter into a purchase agreement to buy something mail order, and it never arrives, whose problem is it? If the contract says you gain ownership of it the moment it leaves the factory, it is your problem. If the sales contract was for the seller to put the widget on your loading dock, it is the seller's problem. Up until that point, you might have a contract to take posession of _a_ widget, but it is likely non specific as to the serial number of the particular widget you will get. If the sales contract does not specify, there will be some regionally specific rule. Tying this back to the matter at hand, there are questions which we cannot presently answer, as we do not have the particular contracts involved. For one, was the auction-commission contract with the mother or the daughter? (Could easily be either). If it was with the daughter, was it executed early enough to be outside the "reasonable" window for a minor to recind a contract? (Unlikely). Did the auction commission contract explicitly give the fair an ownership stake in the livestock? That would be quite unlikely as it opens them to liability for sick or defective products, complicates their accounting, and is otherwise a poor choice. Much more likely is the only contract with the fair association is that of a simple broker, and that contract is complete when the percentage fee is paid. The contract with the state senator is another matter, but it sounds like that was never executed. Even if it was, unless there is a separate agreement between the senator and the fair association making them his agents in procuring the goat, they have no business being involved past the auction. Even if there is an agency-agreement, they have no business being involved once he agreed to recind or not execute the contract.
@@cdc3 Certainly if you are buying anything expensive. If you want to dive into it, the search term to start is "Free On Board" or "shipping FOB". I am not a lawyer, but there is an entire class at Uni for business majors devoted to contract law that covers this sort of thing. You also must pick it up quickly if you work someplace doing procurement.
This could have been an opportunity for premium PR for that state senator. Buy the goat, "pardon" it, and give it to the girl as a gift. This is a stupid situation.
Thank you for pointing out the Senators fault. They try to excuse his bad behavior by saying, "hey, he said he's 'ok' with the girl getting the goat back." What a great guy! No. He was apathetic. He didn't care one way or the other. He knew if he insisted on having his goat BBQ, it would look bad, so he aquiesed, but if he had cared even 1%, he could have ensured the girl got her goat back easily. He didn't. And that is telling. All he gave was a verbal agreement not to press charges against a little girl for not eating specifically her pet, sad THAT is what's considered a "great man" these days.
Poor child lost 3 grandparents in one year. She’d had her fill of lost loved ones. This goat was helping her. These adults were so stupid to miss the opportunity to teach this child about compassion and community support. This story infuriates me.
You are so right. The insistence on teaching her the rules in such a harsh way makes me wonder who will want to join 4H. Kids are only allowed to care *for* animals, they're not allowed to care *about* them? Really?
I was in 4H for years, and later involved in the vocational agricultre program at my son's school. Each year we auctioned off the animals the children had raised. If the child objected to losing the animal, the bidder - often a local politician, or someone aspiring to be a politician - always declared the bid to be a donation and didn't care what happened with the animal.
The buyer of the goat did this. Some how this did not work out. A person, perhaps with a brain, perhaps with an agenda, made this happen. It is interesting that the person making this happen did not get named. Only the office. Narcissistic Psychopaths rule and surprisingly it is not working out.
Our kids raised goats for 4-H. Our auction at the end of the week, states that the buyer can keep the goat or give it back, along with the money. Three of four of our kids had their goats given the goat back. My son's goat was bought by a butcher!😬. We asked about getting it back, but they had an order for a butchered goat. We came home, then my husband went back. He found a family, whose goat was given back, but her parents didn't want it. My husband asked the butcher if he could find another goat, could he switch it. They said sure, they just needed a goat. When he came home and opened the van doors, and the goat jumped out, my son was the happiest boy you'd ever seen!
it may have been a special goat, $900 seems like way more than a goat for slaughter cost, would only seem to make sense of it was a certain type to be used for breeding
I'm sure they do, they just don't care. They'll never face any punishment for it afterall. Look at the psychos that abducted the batman vehicle guy. Zero repercussions for flagrantly disregarding the law, state boundaries, and causing thousands in damage.
If their bosses told them to, our cops would happily start lining the rest of us up against the wall. At least the military would resist if told to hurt their own citizens, but cops sign up for it
I live in the county where this happened, and it's a huge embarrassment. The only lesson taught by the Fair officials was that some people can be assholes. The state senator who won the auction was very willing to let the goat go back to the child, but apparently the police who retrieved the goat delivered it to an event where it was slaughtered, bar-be-qued, and consumed. Far more important is the lessons of kindness and compassion. If you always act with kindness and compassion first, the lesson of responsibility will be learned as a natural consequence.
For the people who haven't recognized the irony, an organization is trying to exercise control over someone through illegal government intervention while claiming they are doing so in order to teach a 9-year-old that they need to exercise agency and be responsible for themselves. If I were her, I'd be learning that I have no control over my life. If I have no control over my life, that means I have no responsibility. They've taught what happens when you get involved with people who apparently have the pwoer to strip her of any sense of agency.
@@july8xx I don’t think 9 year olds understand the concept of a contract in a legal sense. I would assume that the nullification would be done by a legal guardian.
ANYONE who inflicts pain/suffering in order to "teach a lesson" is not somebody who should ever be put in charge of other people. They're not even responsible enough to flip burgers.
@Mike Williamson it's very obvious by your demeanor that you don't understand the first fact about this case, or the law. You just enjoy the idea of unnecessary pain, as such I hope you get to enjoy every ounce of pain you deserve. Every bad thing in your life is YOUR fault, and you DESERVE it.
Seriously, the sheriff's office drove 500 miles for something that was already monetarily solved????? The lady running the fair should personally get a 50k fine for wasting the police and courts time...... after all, she obviously needs to be taught a lesson on common sense....... this was an excellent video..... wonderfully explained.... thank you Sir.
Yes, the whole thing is bizarre. Hopefully, we'll get some back story on what was going on with these nutters. A hefty fine for wasting police time is just the beginning of what this Fair admin should get.
Is there no law in the US against making false complaints? Because of the mendmunts, or something? In the UK that would be wasting police time, and the baseline for the fine is double the full costs incurred.
When entering an animal in the Shasta County Fair youth livestock auction, a parent does sign the entry agreement. But what makes no sense in this is that the Shasta County Fair Board had no standing in the disposition of the animal. The auction is a straightforward sales agreement between the buyer and the seller. The Buyers Brochure does state "Through arrangements made by the sales committee, you can have your purchased animal processed and delivered to the the local locker plant of your choice". The buyers brochure does not state that the buyer MUST comply with the arrangement, and it does not describe the purchase as "meat", a "carcass", etc. It describes it as "your purchased animal". It also states that "Members of 4-H and FFA are responsible for animals until they reach the processing plant". Creating a custodial responsibility for the animal by the seller after the auction. At no point in this transaction was the Fair Board the rightful owner of the animal. In fact, the agreement explicitly holds the seller responsible for the animal after the sale up until the point that it is delivered for slaughter. At the point that the Fair Board was notified of the buyer's intent to return the animal to the seller, the Fair Board had f**k all to do with the matter. I would argue that they filed a false police report when reporting this as a theft, and then acted to destroy property that was not theirs. As a former 4-H member and leader, and a former County Fair Board member in California, I'm dumbfounded that this played out this way. I can only surmise that B.J. McFarlane, the CEO of the Shasta County Fair, who personally called and threatened the girls mother, is a flaming a$$hole, and begs the question - "Is it hard to breath with your head that far up your a$$".
Thank you! I grew up in the country too and there was always a way out. It's disgusting what happened and the very worst in society have come out in support of the fair official.
I have dealt with 4-H fair board members for years, most are great people. But some get a ounce of authority and it goes straight to their head. It’s the only power they have had and turn them into tyrants. It’s amazing to see.
Some people are just like that, whether by nature or the life they've lived, and whether they're working in an office, teaching, in an HOA/condo association, or part of some social or religious group, they'll be a problem until someone finally kicks them out, or someone challenges their behavior enough that they either learn a lesson, or at least get the message that they're better off not being a problem for others.
I think that the lesson learned here is that the government will spare no expense, skirt any obligation, and harm whomever they think necessary to cover their ineptitude. I'm in my mid 40's, and I'm a combat vet. So if you want to talk being able to stomach the grim reality of our world, I've been there, worn the T-shirt, and came back from it different than when I left. I don't have kids, I have pets. To me, the dogs that I have are the closest thing to children that I will ever get to experience. All I will say about the situation is this. I'm glad she's not my kid. Because if a child of mine decided to keep an animal, and after all this, they sent the Law after that animal, to then confiscate and slaughter it to close the case, leaving my child the one hurt..... That mother is a saint for not creating more job openings at the Fair grounds and police department.
@Trump Is The Messiah : And this time the conservative in question was willing to go along with the evil goat-thieving family! Yep, every story involving a conservative politician... it's always the same. I would like to know, though, seriously, what the situation is that you're talking about - the one with the house.
I can vouch that those kids who raise animals for a 4H project bond with them and love them. Many times they sleep with them in their pens in the barns at the Fair. It is very traumatic for them. My brother raised a prize winning steer at the Fair and had to lead him up into a truck after the sale knowing what was going to happen to him. 60 Plus years later I found the Fair sales slip when cleaning out my mom's papers after her death. I took it to my brother, a very strong man's man, and ask him if he remembered it. With tears in his eyes he said "I loved him and did not want to sell him but we were coming off of a hard time on the farm and we could use the money." He never forgot and still got tears over it.
Your brother sounds like a good guy. I would point out that unlike your brother, today children are extremely emotionally unstable and I think very strongly that it is the parents responsibility to make it crystal clear to the child that the animal being auctioned will end up being slaughtered. Society is raising very weak children, physically and mentally, they should not be engaged in animal raising if they are unable to go through with the auction. Your brother made a choice based on the financial situation and he grew up to be a man's man unlike the limp wristed sissies today.
@@TheRoadhammer379 I am willing to bet the majority of children today are more emotionally stable then you and you would collapse doing half the things i witness kids and young adults today doing.
@@ocoolwow You realize that if they were struggling financially, selling the steer might have been their only choice, right? Otherwise, they won't be able to feed the steer or themselves.
We need a legal option which says "You've made so many bad decisions that you can never hold a leadership in any company, again, ever." There are people whose judgement is *so bad* that they just need to be reduced out of any position they could hold power of any kind.
The instant they lied about the goat being needed for a BBQ and the buyer complaining I 100% lost all sympathy for the fair district. I can understand that the fair might be concerned about losing reputation as they might in the future lose revenue if people think sellers might take back the animal. But once you start fibbing to the police you should probably recheck your moral compass.
If the stance of the fair grounds is that the goat belongs to the politician, and nobody knows where Sid goat is, the politician should sue the fairgrounds for failing to deliver the goat.
I remember a case like this years ago in my home town. There was a 4H auction where a boy (either close to or the same age as this little girl) was selling a pig. I don't remember all of the details as to when the boy became aware that the animal was being sold to go to slaughter but he completely broke down when he found out what was going to happen to the pig. The representative for the company that purchased the pig worked with the boys family to cancel the deal. I knew some of the folks involved and from what I was told everything went smoothly. The deal was cancelled, the pig went back to the farm that it had been living on and no one threatened to call the police. No one felt the need to "teach the boy a lesson" or any such thing
For me we raised animals on teh farm for the sole purpose of slaughter. We knew this as kids and never had an emotional breakdown over it. How can you raise kids and have them not understand? That said, I see no issue with people deciding to cancel participation in a 4H auction. Fairs are supposed to be about fun and community, not legal battles. If someone likes their animal, so be it.
This is really common with younger 4h kids. National 4h policy is let the kid keep the animal, Work something out, do not make 4h look bad. This person clearly didn't get the memo.
The goat had a good life, up until that last bit... but that's the best *anybody* can hope for. It's the little girl who's pet got killed that I'm concerned about.
This story infuriated me to a point i have never reached before. That county fair official made a decision to use MY MONEY, YOUR MONEY, OUR MONEY, money i work very hard to earn but never see because yes, the government does need its cut, to steal a childs pet to teach the child a lesson.
Oh, they were absolutely teaching her a lesson. They were teaching her that tyrants come at all power levels, regardless of their position. And that you cannot trust any government agent of any agency. I would guess that through an unfortunate method, they have created a libertarian. Also, "goat absconding" is the best claim I've heard in a while.
Yep. And wouldn't surprise me if their participation goes down. I was a 4h kid and in our county the auction was voluntary. Some parents wanted to keep the animals for breeding, there was also human affection, etc. I also remember people putting animals they no longer wanted in their herd in to the auction. Whomever is running this auction is a real piece of work.
@RawBot it's not that. It's the fact that the buyer was willing to rescind the sale, the seller was willing to reimburse whatever money the fair would have made, and they still decided to exercise their power and force the transaction. Neither party to the sale would have been harmed if it was rescinded. The only harm would have been the fee the fair would have made. They decided to force a transaction to be completed even when neither the buyer nor the seller wanted to do so. That is insane.
Lol reminds me of Ron Swanson and that little girl who was doing a school project on why government matters and she took a paper to school saying "It doesn't". I'm not a purest libertarian anymore but yeah they probably created a libertarian (and lets be honest if her parents are in the business they are in then she was probably already being raised that way).
The fair director outed her real motivations when she used the term "fair industry." She sees county fairs as a business and is trying to protect her business interests regardless of the costs or consequences. It's not about fairness, it's about profitability at all costs.
Indeed. And she was so bent on it, that she actually lied to the police. Doesn't she know lying to the police is a crime? The list of what she is going to have to answer for gets longer and longer.
That’s not accurate. The fair executive was offered just compensation: the original commission amount + whatever additional money would be needed to compensate for costs and inconvenience. That was made clear in the video. The executive’s real motivations were something different than greed.
@@MarcosElMalo2 Thought about it, I have to agree with you. I have my opinion on what the reason might be, but it could be considered offensive, so I'm reluctant to say it.
"Your honor, the real damages aren't the commission my client lost out on. Their real damages are the loss to their reputation if they're forced to let 9-year-olds bully state senators into giving up on the auctions they won." "Counselor, if your claim is based on destroying the fair's reputation, you're suing the wrong person. Your own client went far out of their way to accomplish that, to a degree many times worse than this little girl ever could have."
Time will. It's sad, it's cruel on the part of those who did it, but she will get over it as long as she's allowed to. Children get over dead pets all the time. This was a cruel way to do it, but she will get over it.
@@hyzmarca2737 Speaking as someone who has experience the effect, I can say that it _shouldn't_ do what you describe. Sure, there will be times and instances where it will come back, but it won't be every time you're reminded. I can speak of those I've lost, in some detail, without the pain I felt just thinking about them when it was fresh. I could probably work myself up by focusing on the pain, or even stumble on something that is so bittersweet or poignant that it does sharpen the memory to a painful edge, but for the most part, time does dull the pain. You move past it. You get used to the loss, that which caused sorrow becomes more distant and less able to hurt you. You grow. You heal. It isn't easy, but it is possible, and even typical.
@@NightStalkers-hx3dq Law Enforcement should try engaging in something called "due diligence" then, before becoming involved in anything like this! This is why people around the nation are sick and tired of "law enforcement personnel". This was a civil matter, and the police had NO business getting into it!
They did their job they Seized stolen property. The transfer of ownership happened when they entered the fairgrounds. This is what they agreed to and yes, the mother did sign off on this. Auctioned animals can go into the thousands of dollars they do require the parents signature.
@@timrosencrans7955 It's was not stolen property as the buyer agreed to sell the goat back , the fair organisers misrepresented the facts to the police, or didn't you comprehend anything said As far as I can tell the fair as merely the agent for the sale and never the owner hence the commission And I lived on a cattle farm most of my life and have no problem with sending animals to slaughter.
I see now that the California AG has counter-sued the Longs in this case, apparently to make them liable for any damages awarded them by a court. How asinine is this going to get?
Obviously the Shasta County Fair brings in enough money to the local economy to be able to get the local police department to send a Detective 500 miles to seize the goat. The police chief and the Detective involved should be fired. The fair Director is the A**hole in this whole affair and needs to be fired and have something precious to her taken and destroyed. What total B.S.!!! Thanks Steve
I'm 63 yrs old now but this happened to me as a child. I had my pet sheep "Sassy" , and showed her at the fair (thru 4H) and then found out that she was to be auctioned off. I was unconsolable at the time and my Father stepped in and Saved her. It was a huge ordeal at the time. Not sure what he did but I brought her back home and she later gave birth to twins "Lassy & Tassy". I loved them all so much❤ When I went to college the farmer, where we had originally bought her, took her back to live on his farm (with her babies) and kept them for me until they died natural deaths. Mr. Wurtley said she was the best sheep he had ever had...I think she though she was a dog😊
There are many ways to teach lessons to kids but the Fairgrounds really overstepped their bounds. I believe the adults forgot the 4H pledge: I pledge my head to clearer thinking, my heart to greater loyalty, my hands to larger service, my health for better living …….. there was no clearance thinking here by the fairgrounds board.
@@ycoyle2803 Just words. People have no connection to the ideals that our social rituals were based upon. Heck, people don't even have a connection to the words that dribble out of their pie holes.
Seriously, the staggering incompetence of government and enforcement these days is terrifying. I hope all those creeps lose thier employment and the right to ever own a pet again. But we all know there won't even be a consequence for their psychotic actions. The entire reason we're in this mess in the first place is they never face consequences. EDIT: Also ironic that the scumbag ceo was trying to "teach responsibility" by filing a false police report
Have you personally pulled the report and read it to see that it was a false report? I understand what Steve said in the video, but he doesn't know for sure that it was a false report in that way.
CEO is going to learn a valuable lesson: lawyers charge by the hour, and it’s going to cost you a lot more than $902. Also: don’t contract with minors, don’t dispose of property that is not yours, and don’t mislead the police. Those are stupid games and you get some monumentally stupid prizes.
@@undrhil Police only handle CRIMINAL matters, not civil mattes like Breach of Contract. So, yes, the fair CEO filed a CRIMINAL complaint, otherwise the cops wouldn't have driven 500 miles to get the goat. If the CEO said, "they breached a contract!" the cops would have said, "Civil matter, not our bailiwick -- go hire an attorney."
The family won the lawsuit against the Shasta County (sheriff office) to the tune of $300,000. The case against the district fair is still ongoing and hasn't gone to court yet.
BTW, 4H animal and a kid having regrets and backing out is NOT new. So it is strange to me they took it that far. I think our society has raised a bunch of people incapable of admitting they are wrong that leads them to the point of crazy!
Common sense as they say, is not longer common at all. Power corrupts, as everyone can see even a little county fair administrator can let power go right to their head! SMH! 😐
@@michaelshrader5139 I truly think people just can't admit they are wrong so instead of just saying I'm wrong they will fight even the most ludicrous thing.
@Mainely could you imagine what the 4h director response would be if the judge ordered one of their kids pets be taken and killed would be? I am NOT advocating that. Just making a point. We also live in a society it's ok as long as it's someone else's problem.
I don’t think the officers are the problem here. There was a breach of contract. A warrant was issued to address the issue. Do we want cops over ruling judges and prosecutors? Look at the problems we have with accusations of political bias in prosecutorial discretion. This would add another layer of conflict. The individuals who requested the warrant and those who signed off on it instead of sending this to civil court are the problem here. Not the cops executing a properly issued warrant.
@@PureMagma I had to laugh out loud when Steve said don't ever call the cops because they would keep the money as civil forfeiture for sure and screw everybody involved over.
@@TheNicii If the contract was with a minor, there's no breach of contract, as Steve pointed out, AND even if there was breach of contract, the mother offered to make ALL parties whole, so that none of them suffered any loss. Therefore, your argument is extremely poor. And no, there wasn't a warrant issued for "breach of contract" because that's a CIVIL matter. Police don't handle civil matters, they handle CRIMINAL matters.
I worked as a dispatcher, and ANY officer I’ve ever worked with would have instantly said “sorry ma’am this is a civil issue, not a criminal one, you’ll have to settle this in court” (to the complainant).
If ever there was a case you did not want to take in front of a jury it is this one. If I was the defendants lawyer I'd be telling them to get out their checkbook and see how many zero's it takes to make this go away because that will be cheaper than letting a jury decide.
And you know the attorney on the other side will request a jury trial. If I was suing, even at the risk of losing, I'd take this to court instead of settling just for the media circus and backlash that the defendant will experience. No amount of money is good enough to resolve this.
good thing there are people who will actually look at the merits of the case...they had the goat for less than 2 months? Sorry, that isn't a pet with a huge attraction for the family, other than a misguided parent and her entitled daughter. Think about it, what pets have you had that you had for less than 2 months then decided it was a good idea to take them to the fair to be sold and slaughtered? How close were you to those pets? Sorry but that is the killer situation here, absolutely destroys the woman's claims of it being a pet and why they backed out of the deal AFTER the auction was over.
@@jamesw71 Maybe once you're more than a couple of years older than the little girl, you might realize how utterly bizarre your attempt at 'telling it like it is' was. You're going to be very embarrassed. Here's some advice: to understand how people work, you need to spend time with them.
Correction, corporations are persons. They have also defined you as a person on all the paperwork you signed and didn't comprehend. There are multiple legal definitions of person.
God damn. Ok. That story is fake. The child didn’t own the goat. It was not, nor ever was, a pet. She was part of a training program teaching kids how to farm, and the child took the goat from the property, stealing it. The goat was supposed to go to slaughter because it belonged to the farm.
When I was 9 I had a pet goat who literally slept in my bed and walked me to the school bus/home after school. She was the best "dog" I ever had, she was a brown and white Nubian called Gemini.
The rules of law and the punishments for not following them are set up to teach people lessons. Holding the fair director responsible and accountable for their violations of law would be a valuable lesson to them - a teaching moment if you will.
This is literally the theme of a children's story where the moral is to protect what you love because world is a terrible and cruel place of elitism and injustice.
While raising our children, my husband and I were ALL about natural consequences. Having to contact the buyer, pay lost fees to 4H, etc are ALL natural consequences of backing out of a contract. If 4H feels that was not enough, then do not allow the same child to put any more animals in the fair next time, but this is ridiculous!
My thoughts exactly.. If the buyer and seller reached a deal and the commission was paid, their only recourse would be to prevent them from entering future competitions
@@jamesw71 with the way they're getting publicity from this bullshit they might not have one anyhow. Just ban them from future fairs as punishment/deterrent but sending the cops after them was a dick move
I do understand the position of 4H as "young farmers" have to realize that farm animals are raised to be slaughtered. In this case the "young farmer" was taught that she did not have the abilities to allow an animal to be slaughtered. If I was the Governor, I would have asked the girl for $1 to purchase the goat. The $902 is not worth the heartbreak of a young child. I have been involved with the 4H in my teenage life and have never heard of organizers doing anything like this. The only remedy that is now available is to remove the organizers involved from the 4H.
@@jamesw71 The "if everyone did it" argument is specious. Everyone is NOT doing it. If everyone did it, you would have to assume there was something nefarious going on with the fair that was causing everyone to renege on their agreement.
This story is mind boggling. The waste is jaw dropping. Who is the woman charging herself with teaching the girl a lesson in responsibility? Who was harmed? And, what about the false police report? Unreal. I just can't get my head around how bizarre this is. I hope the fair suffers genuine embarrassment.
It was basically one woman fair director! She needs to be removed for lack,of decency, and moral common sense, when the little girl said no! And the buyer said no! What gave her that, sense of self entitlement, that she was doing the right thing...she will not be in her position for long..she made a MOCKERY of the 4-H spirit...who is going to join, or want to do business with her, I cannot even express the astonishment,I am feeling, knowing she filed a false police report, to try and cover up, her wrong doing, even she knew she was doing the wrong thing...thus the lying ,and attempted cover up!..😡
@@michellekrueger5122 So basically this story boils down to, "Karen with power abuses it to inflict suffering upon a small child, while screeching about being the moral authority?"
It wasn't her pet. Her mom signed a contract with 4H that clearly state what would happen. She went back on the contract, stole the property, and got caught.
Now we just need a judge to tell the 4-H director to return the original goat intact, whole, alive, and in healthy condition or face criminal charges up to and including the wrongful death of an animal that was the property of someone else. That would, of course, help teach them a lesson about lying to law enforcement.
Since the goat was "sold" at auction for $900 it easily clears the $500 bar for California's related law of livestock theft valued at $500 or more, making it grand larceny.
Probably throw contempt of court in there too if they can't produce the goat in the condition it was in when the police originally found it... I would, if I were the judge, that's for sure!
I grew up in 4H and went to the county fair. it wasn't unusual for the livestock purchaser to 'buy' the animal, pay the money and give back the animal back to us. growing up on a farm, we understood the life cycle but when you work with an animal everyday, you sometimes get attached.
Me too, and FFA as well. Some animals, they bond with the person who cares for them. Some animals are just wired differently than "the herd", and if given care they will give actual give love back and there'in lies the change from "food" to "pet" and even "best friend". This little girl, consider how this experience will affect the rest of her life now.... and not in a good way either! 😞
@@Reiman33 That's an offensive way to put it. I can guarantee you that none of the people in 4-H when I was growing up were of some sort of illusion that animals weren't there for our use. Some had 'show animals' that were generally _not_ slaughter bound, but rather used for breeding (and pets), but they were still animals. Most farmers have compassion for their animals; they're just aware that they're raising them for food. You probably think that everyone should beat their horses and mules, from the way you worded your post.
Yup, this is a teachable moment for all sides. First, I agree with Steve's thinking here. As a youth, I was in 4-H and raised capons one year, a lamb another year, and a pig another year. All of my animals were auctioned and the sales were completed without further ado. Fifty-ish years later I can sympathize with the girl in this story; not that I grew inseparably attached to the critters I raised for a season, but responsible caretakers do experience a bond with the animals in their care. I can't imagine the 4-H personnel of a half-century ago making this kind of bone-headed unforced error; and I can only shake my head over the idiots running the Shasta County 4-H program last year.
With the high school I was part of being huge in 4-H, I had friends/acquaintances all around us that raised goats, chickens, guineas, rabbits, cows, and so forth. They had to pay for the animal up front, and were reimbursed from the auction, IIRC. Some were show animals, some were slaughter animals, but they didn't _have_ to auction the animals at all. They were their personal property, not the property of the auction house. (Houston, Texas area) This sounds like the typical California "People don't have rights", except in this case, they actually killed the animal. Usually they decide the animal has more rights than people.
I had a similar situation, only mine involved a steer as opposed to a goat. The steer won best in show and I refused to sell him to slaughter (his mother died giving birth and I raised him from that point on). They threw a fit, but they never came for the steer which eventually died 25 years later as the happiest bull you could ever ask for.
A steer dying as a bull is truly remarkable! A miracle or a fantastic veterinary operation! Are you sure you once raised a domestic animal of the neutered male cattle animal type?
@@wssides , my bad, we always called all our young males steers. Obviously we hadn’t neutered old Samson, we stopped raising cattle 30 years ago. Livestock was my grandfathers thing, I stick to my plants.
@@lordchaa1598 it amazes me how much people need to prove their intellectual superiority over others instead of just listening to the warmth of the story itself. I am glad your "Cow" had a happy life.
Thank you for the great rundown of the legal issues. I heard about this case when it happened and it really bothered me. The legal particulars are even more crazy. What a waste of government resources. That CEO needs to get fired.
Once having been a police officer, now applying for a job somewhere in the outer regions of Oklahoma, and his responses that he decided on his own to take a piece of property and deliver it to a party involved in a dispute and allow them to destroy it. That doesn't even touch the fact that it was a pet of a nine-year-old. All I can think of is that the guy who's in jail for not returning the library book.
Or to trust the Judicial system, or Adults in power positions. C’mon folks she was 9 years old! If she chose to back out of the contract as per California law . It’s over! The fair officials that pushed this forward should be facing Felony charges for their actions (or the least severe misdemeanor charges,for these actions).
On the Sheriff Office's side, who was the idiot who approved driving 500 miles to retrieve the goat? If I was the police chief, I would have paid for the goat myself. 😅
Nobody loves spending over frivolous reasons like government officials. Easy overtime! $100 an hour to do nothing! They'd rather confiscate a little girls pet than go confront a drug dealer. You better believe it.
I grew up on a farm and had pet goats. It sounds to me like 4H has forgotten what it is there for. This is like elementary school sports deciding that they are the olympics. No smug agricultural person should ever be telling a parent what lessons need to be taught to their child, especially if THEY themselves are the problem. The fact that this fair CEO framed it as a theft rather than a dispute shows malice.
@@jamesw71 But as was said, that goat is precious to the girl and her mother had all the will and money to make them(the fair) whole. What is the problem there?
@@XCodes Thank you. I also believe that a breach of contract needs to show harm. If the contract is being satisfied without the goat, there is no harm. The fair CEO was being belligerent and unconscionable about the contract so the breach seems warranted in my view. The willingness to still make the auction winner whole shows good faith. The desire to kill and only kill the goat as a teaching moment to a kid who has become attached to it as a pet...shows malice and abusive intolerance.
What aggravates me more than anything is that the definition of agriculture does not hinge on killing animals. There is only one branch of livestock agriculture that is feeding carnivores. There is usually a twin branch getting milk, eggs or wool...or riding horses as pets. Not everyone is cut out for slaughter and only an arrogant sociopath from the slaughter world thinks a child should be "broken" to accept slaughter. Every farmer should be allowed to make that free will decision. Deciding that your animal is worthy of living is not a decision that some busybody middle man, drenched in animal death, should be allowed to overrule.
Many years ago we were involved with showing rabbits and guinea pigs at our local (very large nationally known) fair. We quit because I have never met a more petty and vengeful group of so called adults in my life. For something that should be a fun family oriented event there was nothing but nitpicking, bickering and misery coming from the organizers/management. It's almost as if they hated us (exhibitors) AND their job.
I had a friend who was on the local fair committee as part of her job with our company. Every time they had a meeting she would vent to me about the people and their pettiness. It was all about the money, even to the point that when covid was going on they didn't want to cancel the fair. The people who were bringing the rides did that for them, fortunately.
If the Senator bought the goat at auction then that is now the owner and can give or sell the goat to the child. I’m not sure how the fair officials could interfere with the agreement between the new owner and the little girl.
The contract between the mother and the end bidder could have easily been rescinded after the fact, independently from the auction people. However, the delivery distance could have placyed a role in the mother's actions, if the distance to the senator's place were very far away the delivery could have been very costly. So the mother in the name of the little girl, thought it would be easier to rescind at the fair ground.
In regards to the police, if I were to call them and ask them to retrieve my goat, and the other party said, "It is our goat. My daughter decided not to sell it." then the police would normally say this is a civil matter, fight it out in court. So why in hell are they deciding to get involved here?
And put in the stockade along with that wench from the fair on the front lawn of the city building while people are encouraged to throw rotten vegetables and fruits at them LOL
There was a similar story in Wisconsin. It ended when 10 farmers showed up all armed and asked for the cow back... I mean it was in the 60s but I still chuckle at it.
As a cattle rancher that has sold thousands of livestock, of the bovine variety, for decades, I have always had the right to “no sale” my animals at the end of auction bidding. So does everyone else at the stockyard. At any point before they are loaded on a truck or money changed hands I have always been able to back out of the deal if I was not satisfied with the situation. The little girl owed no one anything. She backed out of the deal and didn’t even owe anyone commission . She is a victim of armed robbery and should be compensated accordingly. If it weren’t for qualified immunity, the cops wouldn’t be bold enough to do this in the first place.
WOW! I had no intention to listen until the end. But I was HOOKED. What a story!!! I have a feeling the Fair Officials will be the ones being taught a lesson on this one. Great video, Steve. BTW, I subscribed and gave a thumbs up.
The straw that broke the camels back. Just take this kind of cruelty to change laws forever. I know a few that have a pet goat and they act like a dog. What the fair did was break a little girls heart and that's cruel and unusual punishment. I hope they sued.
Yeh as a 9 year old my vencence would have been all consuming, I don't know if I was a normal kid or not but I don't think 500 miles would be enough to keep me from retribution.
The fair industry should teach this girl a lesson in responsibility…by example: 1. Criminal penalties for filing a false police report on the part of the fair. 2. Official misconduct on the part of the police. 3. Reparations for the goat paid to the girl, a public apology, and punitive damages to ensure they understand and may tell a friend.
If the county fair offers to settle, she should reject whatever settlement they offer and force them to appear in court. You know, to teach them a lesson.
imagine what would come out in discovery!
She already offered to settle multiple times, so I think they're going to court 😂
@@fast.biking_freddy they are already in court. They will end up in a federal trial.
@@Aidscapade71 Maybe you can't ignore a settlement, but you can reject a settlement OFFER. The fair CEO needs to lose her self aggrandized position. She should not be dealing with other people's children.
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I’m just in awe that the auction house was able to get the LEOs to drive 500 miles for a goat. You can’t even get them to kick someone out your house for trespassing or even try to locate a stolen vehicle.
I would be willing to bet that the Fair CEO mentioned the Senator's name. Not what the Mother and the Senator had agreed on, ( to let the kid keep the goat) . But just to "use" the name to get the LEO s into doing their bidding.
Locating a stolen vehicle is actually a lot of work.
Evicting trespassers is something you can do by yourself.
Solving crime only costs the department money. They make nothing from actually investigating crimes.
@@kenmartin6597 they shouldn't be making money to begin with
most likely that one or more of the LEO's is related to the CEO of the fair, that being said it's still no excuse for letting themselves get involved as they have wide discretion here and there is more than enough 'gray area' here for anyone with two functioning brain cells to step back and say to themselves; 'maybe this ain't such a good idea' lets see what a DA or a lawyer says about this...SMFH
I was a 4-H goat leader for years. Frequently a kid gets attached to their goat and it’s been the policy of the fair to allow the child to pay a no sale fee and keep their animal
Which is the right reasonable and humane thing to do. And this should have been the lesson, instead.
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@@michaelshrader5139 very well put
So that might be really bad for the leader at court.
Thus has been a thing for decades. They had this when I was young and a member of 4h. My kids were never part of 4H but we still raise goats. If I had any kids right now that I would happily give her one. The fair board screwed up big time on this one.
They did a great job teaching her not to trust authority figures. Good work fair council. 👏🏻
It is good to learn life lessons early, in the most gentle way.
So someone steals your house by moving into it when you aren't around and the police will tell you "it's a civil matter" but when it's a goat they will drive around the state for it.
In a version with no squatting where someone stole your car, they wouldn't do more than phone the local PD where it was known to be located, and tell you that you or your agent could try to go get it through that PD.
Especially when someone with money can call in a "favor" to take it.
Because a state senator was the high bid.
@@lonebikeroftheapocalypse9527 Because the contract was to buy the goat. Let's say they buy your car and you take it back...grand theft auto.
The adults involved could of sorted this out in a minute, it seems almost like child abuse.
That fair/4H director said they did this to teach that child a lesson sure hit the nail on the head. They taught her (and the other kids) Don't trust anybody in authority.
Not to mention the lesson may be--- "How to sue" and "NEVER trust law-enforcement".
@Mainely Isn't that clear? The point of this while thing is to desensitize children to the slaughter of animals, probably to make them good farmers or something. That's why the mother's offer to reimburse was rejected, it never was about money
now the director needs taught a lesson 💯
Like Stalin said: "Don't trust anyone, not even yourself."
I'm sure he said that after signing that peace agreement with Germany, only to be invaded by Germany a week later.
The only thing that poor little girl learned was that adults and authority don't care about her or anyone else, except money and being right.
Winning isn't the same as being right. Hopefully the fair officials will be taught that.
Except her Mom, who did everything right.
She learned the meaning of the words LIVESTOCK AUCTION, which she should have known before stepping into the ring.
@@mzmadmike The kid is 9 years old!!! Most kids don't even know what planet they're on at that age.... Let alone what a contract means--that's why contracts cannot be signed by minors and are unenforcable....
Because that's often true.
Can't believe the fair director decided this was the hill she would die on without a lawyer's advice.
I'd say the lesson the little girl learned from this is that there are people in the world who are devoid of compassion and empathy.
Yes! thier teaching them to hate at a very early age!👹
Children do need to learn that there are psychopaths out there who will hurt them for the pure entertainment value of it. So I guess mission accomplished?
Right! Not only that but these people are government officials who we are supposed to trust.
Do I trust the government? Of course I do. I trust that the government will take you down one way or the other.
And people will lie to manipulate law enforcement to get their way. And there are some Law enforcement that don't investigate or follow the law either.
Even if this had all gone right, the girl would have learned she's not farmer material. That's not the lesson that the fair director wanted to teach, but I don't see that as undermining their mission.
I grew up raising and showing goats in the 4-H. Everyone I knew at the fairs loved their goats and treated them as pets. Anyone of us would be devastated if a fair official forcibly took a goat from us. The only lesson that little girl learned is that you can't trust the government or fair officials.
A lesson that everyone needs to learn.
Define irony... "FAIR Officials"
Or simply you can't trust authority.
Had a similar situation happen to me at that age, and though it can be a healthy mistrust in some situations, it's incredibly isolating and makes it hard to trust the authorities who are actually on your side.
So you were aware your goats were to be slaughtered? Or did you think they were auctioned and sent to live on a farm somewhere else??
That's what my folks would have told me!!
@@trashcatlinol The longer I live, the more instances I see, and the greater my cynisism towards earthly authority. For every --rare-- situation where it can be thought "Oh I'm glad the authorities took care of that" I encounter 50 where I just shake my head and think we'd be better off if they all decided to follow Musk to mars.
One really wonders how this prioritizes public safety.
How can we be safe when there's kids with pet goats around
BuT iT wAs To TeAcH hEr A lEsSon!!111!!111!!
I've read a few different versions of this story before this video from Steve, the whole thing is a load of BS.
It’s safe way to instill distrust of authority figures early on in a child’s life.
The courts actually just ruled police enforce traffic laws, not for safety but for profit.
How many times do the courts have reinforce the ruling that nobody from government has any duty to protect citizens before people accept none of it has anything to do with public safety?
The police have no duty to protect individuals or promote public safety. That's been settled legal precedent for decades.
500 miles? I smell a good Ole boys connection between the sheriff's office and the auction.
That's the only thing that makes sense. It's not stupidity. It's Malicious!
Yup. I was thinking the same thing.
It’s clear as day
This video must have blown up recently lol all these comments from the past couple weeks
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I have been in law enforcement for almost 5 decades, I was also the director of a 4-H horse project, as well as a club leader. Some of our members had goats,chickens cows ducks and other animals. This situation is so stupid that I feel like screaming. All the trouble and money spent to take this to "justice" is nuts. It's no wonder that some people hate law enforcement. All this over a PET goat ans a 9 year old child. The fair committee should be ashamed of themselves.
Yep, last I knew the 4-H club isn't the contract police and they have no business doing anything like this. The mother made a perfectly reasonable and respectful offer to address the situation without causing harm or expense to any involved party, and rather than accept the decision and agreement that the mother and the buyer made, they wanted to swing their nuts around and show a nine year old child who's boss.
The fair officials and the police involved should be imprisoned. The state legislator is good, of course
Given that they were American cops it just a good thing the girl wasn’t killed too.
I'm sure what was going through the heads of the folks involved "I had to kill my pet goat, that little brat has too too"
Shame and self examination are the LAST things on the minds of people that get on committees and do this to others! The fact remains that people who would make good unselfish decisions very seldom WANT to join the political circus in ANY capacity! They usually just want to live as they want and be just left alone.
Government isn't your friend and especially not cops. Never has been, never will be. There is a reason that of 10 Amendments in the Bill of Rights, 4 concern criminal procedure -- the guys who wrote the Constitution weren't being easy on crime; they were being hard on government because these are the first rights abused by illegitimate government and its agents. Read John Whitehead's A GOVERNMENT OF WOLVES: THE EMERGING AMERICAN POLICE STATE.
If the stated motive for taking and killing the goat was to "teach the girl a lesson", that sounds like admitting motive to intentional infliction of emotional distress.
The fair officials definitely taught the little girl something...... To NEVER show one of her animals at the fair again, and to HATE those officials whom seized the pet, took it away, and ultimately murdered the pet for a BarBque.....so she will have hard feelings toward everyone involved for the rest of her life.
Yep, this is the the kind of thing that hurts the heart for the rest of your life. It helps no one ❤
She's not going to have any warm fuzzies for the cops either. Well said, by the way, I was trying to come up with similar sentiments but you did a better job of it than i could.
Right now serving Tuesday Tainted Goat . So now new goat buyers can sew auction as well 🤔 God speed
Do people eat goats?
@@ohioplayer-bl9em yes people eat goats.
The 1st line of the 4-H pledge is "I pledge my head to clearer thinking." Obviously the 4-H fair CEO was not living up to that pledge and should be immediately removed as CEO.
This sounds like a breach of contract, a civil matter. Police should have just told them it's a civil matter, like they do with other things that are actually criminal.
Police have a responsibility to maintain order though, so they will get involved in enforcing civil matters when one party refuses to comply.
@@Tugela60 there was nothing to comply with yet. There was no court order, no writ, nothing. The civil matter needs to be decided before it can be enforced.
@@Tugela60 police cant legally enforce any civil disputes WITHOUT a specific order from the court explaining what needs to happen exactly.
Thing is with rural stuff like that, the person running the fair has fingers in every single pie. This includes county law enforcement. Were they in jurisdiction and were they with a warrant. Two important questions
Yeah if non-delivery of merchandise was a crime, ecommerce would not be able to function. Every lost package would be a misdemeanor or worse.
I don't see how this can rise to the level of criminal intent especially considering the girl's family or their agents have been in possession of the goat the entire time. It's undelivered merchandise, I think, criminally speaking. It's also not like they set out to commit some kind of fraud where they trick people into bidding on their goat then paying back all the money. That would be a terrible scheme.
At this point, it should be sorted out in civil court. Using the police was the wrong move. Whoever signed that warrant should be out of a job.
I live in Shasta County, but I missed hearing about this one! The stupidity of the Fair officials started all this. I know of cases where children in the 4H program, especially young children, didn't want their animal killed. So someone bought the animal and gave it back to the kid. In this case it was our local State senator. I can't imagine any politician missing a chance of a picture of themself returning a loved pet to a child and I think that's what he would have done if he could. I blame the Shasta District Fair officials and the Sheriff's Office. When I think of MY tax dollars being spent on such a trivial cause it makes me very angry!
Then do something. Make noise to your local newspaper. Get involved in the Sheriff election. Contact the local 4-H chapters in your county. Justice doesn’t get done in the dark. It requires sunlight. Enlist others to join you. Everyday we stand between righteousness and evil. You make your own choice to fight or walk away. Good luck. If you decide to pursue that course, I wish you success.
I agree about the politician and the publicity. On Point. This is the type of publicity that can't be bought and good politicians know and understand it.
Write to this senator then. He may have been willing to help the mom. But he clearly did not do enough to help her.
I suspect the fair operators provided the Service of slaughtering and butchering the animals for the buyer, so the buyer could simply cook the meat.
I can imagine the conversation the Senator had with his senior staff. Senator, "What should I do about this?". Staff, " Do you want to see national headlines that read "Senator X butchers a 9-year-olds pet baby goat". Senator, "Hell NO." Staff, "Let the girl keep it." Senator, "Great idea, do it."
The discretion the police use when choosing to wade into legal issues (and decline to wade into legal issues) still astounds me.
I don't put a whole lot of responsibility on the actual police in this situation.
"officer discretion" is a powerful tool for unethical, nefarious activities
You mean jump in with both feet just to fulfil their ego and whim upon a child ? These people are clearly doing something else with children and they need to be investigated
There is no issue too small that the police won't go to an extreme
They get hard, exerting force on people. We no longer live in a Republic, we live in an oligarchy. And a police state set up around protecting the oligarchs.
I just want to applaud the mother for doing everything she could to stand up for her daughter. Not every parent would offer that much trouble and money over a pet goat. She truly just wanted her daughter to be happy.
I'm not giving the mom a standing ovation. My POV is the mom wasn't open with her daughter about what would happen to the goat because she saw it as an easy way to get rid of the goat once it was no longer small and cute. It was late in the game when the daughter found out what was going on and mom was desperate not to be the bad guy. So now, all of a sudden, mom is the good guy. Until next time.
Teaching someone else's kid "a lesson" will be the most expensive motivation in history. Also, since the value of the goat was under $1000, how can that possibly be "grand theft?"
California Penal Code [CPC] §§487(a) - (d) - Grand Theft - Grand Theft occurs when anyone steals property or services worth more than $950.
@@davidclough3951 and since the value of the goat is under that, still not Grand Theft by statute. The fair manager needs to be charged with filing a false police report.
Especially when nowadays they don't do anything to serial thieves that walk out with giant TVs or carts full of groceries. Both worth well over $1000.
You steal my dog...THAT is grand theft too
sadly its California they do that . some people are afraid of the san andreas fault dropping half of ca into the ocean i am looking forward to it it will get rid of the bad part of CA
“They reported the goat was stolen.” If the girl had not received payment for the goat, wasn’t she still the owner?
Not a lawyer. But I'll take a stab at it anyway. To finalize a contract, it is my belief that earnest money or goods must change hands for a contract to be valid and enforceable. That appears not to have happened here.
They made a contract with a minor, thus within a reasonable time, the minor can cancel the contract. Cali law. So the goat was their property and the auction sold something which they didn't own.
@@cdc3 Not exactly. Lehto did a video a bit ago talking about this topic, but you can have a contract before either money or goods change hands. The legal-non-answer is the contract is formed when there is an exchange of obligations. But that is kinda just saying the contract is formed when the contract is formed. As a distinct, but related matter, is when a _particular_ item changes ownership. If you enter into a purchase agreement to buy something mail order, and it never arrives, whose problem is it? If the contract says you gain ownership of it the moment it leaves the factory, it is your problem. If the sales contract was for the seller to put the widget on your loading dock, it is the seller's problem. Up until that point, you might have a contract to take posession of _a_ widget, but it is likely non specific as to the serial number of the particular widget you will get. If the sales contract does not specify, there will be some regionally specific rule.
Tying this back to the matter at hand, there are questions which we cannot presently answer, as we do not have the particular contracts involved. For one, was the auction-commission contract with the mother or the daughter? (Could easily be either). If it was with the daughter, was it executed early enough to be outside the "reasonable" window for a minor to recind a contract? (Unlikely). Did the auction commission contract explicitly give the fair an ownership stake in the livestock? That would be quite unlikely as it opens them to liability for sick or defective products, complicates their accounting, and is otherwise a poor choice. Much more likely is the only contract with the fair association is that of a simple broker, and that contract is complete when the percentage fee is paid. The contract with the state senator is another matter, but it sounds like that was never executed. Even if it was, unless there is a separate agreement between the senator and the fair association making them his agents in procuring the goat, they have no business being involved past the auction. Even if there is an agency-agreement, they have no business being involved once he agreed to recind or not execute the contract.
@@yellingintothewind Interesting. Seems there's a need to understand such contracts before buying anything from a distance. Thanks!
@@cdc3 Certainly if you are buying anything expensive. If you want to dive into it, the search term to start is "Free On Board" or "shipping FOB". I am not a lawyer, but there is an entire class at Uni for business majors devoted to contract law that covers this sort of thing. You also must pick it up quickly if you work someplace doing procurement.
There's too many people out here trying to "Teach others a lesson" instead of just being a kind, normal human being.
This could have been an opportunity for premium PR for that state senator. Buy the goat, "pardon" it, and give it to the girl as a gift. This is a stupid situation.
Thank you for pointing out the Senators fault. They try to excuse his bad behavior by saying, "hey, he said he's 'ok' with the girl getting the goat back." What a great guy!
No. He was apathetic. He didn't care one way or the other. He knew if he insisted on having his goat BBQ, it would look bad, so he aquiesed, but if he had cared even 1%, he could have ensured the girl got her goat back easily. He didn't. And that is telling. All he gave was a verbal agreement not to press charges against a little girl for not eating specifically her pet, sad THAT is what's considered a "great man" these days.
kinda my first thought on this.
The real irony to this story is that the fair officials made a “federal case” out of this.
Now there IS actually a federal case. Go figure.
Poor child lost 3 grandparents in one year. She’d had her fill of lost loved ones. This goat was helping her. These adults were so stupid to miss the opportunity to teach this child about compassion and community support. This story infuriates me.
Imagine how this is going to play in front of a Jury! County Fair better have deep pockets, cause this is gonna cost them a whole lot of green! $-|
@@michaelshrader5139 Going to cost them more than money though, fair is definitely never going to have anybody next year willing to attend or exhibit.
Our country doesn’t like compassion and community support ! It likes cruelty !
Now they get to learn a lesson about the law and what happens when you break it when you could have just taken her money.
You are so right. The insistence on teaching her the rules in such a harsh way makes me wonder who will want to join 4H. Kids are only allowed to care *for* animals, they're not allowed to care *about* them? Really?
Anyone who expects the government to have common sense will ALWAYS be disappointed.
I was in 4H for years, and later involved in the vocational agricultre program at my son's school.
Each year we auctioned off the animals the children had raised.
If the child objected to losing the animal, the bidder - often a local politician, or someone aspiring to be a politician - always declared the bid to be a donation and didn't care what happened with the animal.
The buyer of the goat did this. Some how this did not work out. A person, perhaps with a brain, perhaps with an agenda, made this happen.
It is interesting that the person making this happen did not get named. Only the office.
Narcissistic Psychopaths rule and surprisingly it is not working out.
The only lesson the 4H director taught that girl is that bureaucracies are unreasonable and incompassionate, and law enforcement doubly so.
The cops learned a lesson on what it's like to drive 500 miles with a goat in the back seat though. I doubt they'll be in a hurry to do that again! :)
Our kids raised goats for 4-H. Our auction at the end of the week, states that the buyer can keep the goat or give it back, along with the money. Three of four of our kids had their goats given the goat back. My son's goat was bought by a butcher!😬. We asked about getting it back, but they had an order for a butchered goat. We came home, then my husband went back. He found a family, whose goat was given back, but her parents didn't want it. My husband asked the butcher if he could find another goat, could he switch it. They said sure, they just needed a goat. When he came home and opened the van doors, and the goat jumped out, my son was the happiest boy you'd ever seen!
the goat too.
Might I suggest a "World's Greatest Dad!" mug for your husband?
That’s a good dad.
Good man and Husband, warms my heart thanks for sharing.
it may have been a special goat, $900 seems like way more than a goat for slaughter cost, would only seem to make sense of it was a certain type to be used for breeding
It's strange how cops never stop and think if they are engaging in an action that will permanently affect how people view them.
They hire low IQ sociopaths
I'm sure they do, they just don't care. They'll never face any punishment for it afterall.
Look at the psychos that abducted the batman vehicle guy. Zero repercussions for flagrantly disregarding the law, state boundaries, and causing thousands in damage.
"I'm just following orders." Yeah, we've heard THAT before.
Also most Americans especially the boomers put cops on pedestals
If their bosses told them to, our cops would happily start lining the rest of us up against the wall. At least the military would resist if told to hurt their own citizens, but cops sign up for it
I live in the county where this happened, and it's a huge embarrassment. The only lesson taught by the Fair officials was that some people can be assholes. The state senator who won the auction was very willing to let the goat go back to the child, but apparently the police who retrieved the goat delivered it to an event where it was slaughtered, bar-be-qued, and consumed. Far more important is the lessons of kindness and compassion. If you always act with kindness and compassion first, the lesson of responsibility will be learned as a natural consequence.
Wait, so the Senator didn't even *get* the goat?
@@lightsidesoul I believe it was the Senator's intention all along to donate it to the bar-be-que. He's a putz anyway.
Can we please know who these enforcement officers are?
For the people who haven't recognized the irony, an organization is trying to exercise control over someone through illegal government intervention while claiming they are doing so in order to teach a 9-year-old that they need to exercise agency and be responsible for themselves. If I were her, I'd be learning that I have no control over my life. If I have no control over my life, that means I have no responsibility. They've taught what happens when you get involved with people who apparently have the pwoer to strip her of any sense of agency.
Legally speaking do 9 year olds have either agency or responsibility?
@@Nostradevus1 when and how do they develop these things?
@Jordan they have constitutional rights. Just like you.
@@Nostradevus1 and the right to nullify a contract at will.
@@july8xx I don’t think 9 year olds understand the concept of a contract in a legal sense. I would assume that the nullification would be done by a legal guardian.
ANYONE who inflicts pain/suffering in order to "teach a lesson" is not somebody who should ever be put in charge of other people. They're not even responsible enough to flip burgers.
I think cleaning toilets in public restrooms would be a worthy enough occupation for people like that. Don't you?
@@michaelshrader5139 Sanitary workers are of vital importance and should be respected.
Petty tyrants have no purpose.
We should teach them their final lesson and rebuild our republic on their ashes.
Waaa waaa waaaa
LIVESTOCK AUCTION. Animal was sold. You don't get to take your house or car back after it's sold. It stopped being her goat.
@Mike Williamson it's very obvious by your demeanor that you don't understand the first fact about this case, or the law. You just enjoy the idea of unnecessary pain, as such I hope you get to enjoy every ounce of pain you deserve. Every bad thing in your life is YOUR fault, and you DESERVE it.
Seriously, the sheriff's office drove 500 miles for something that was already monetarily solved????? The lady running the fair should personally get a 50k fine for wasting the police and courts time...... after all, she obviously needs to be taught a lesson on common sense....... this was an excellent video..... wonderfully explained.... thank you Sir.
The last I knew, filing a false police report was a crime, but this is California, and I don't know that state's laws.
Maybe the repercussions of this will teach the fair administrator responsibility.
Yes, the whole thing is bizarre. Hopefully, we'll get some back story on what was going on with these nutters. A hefty fine for wasting police time is just the beginning of what this Fair admin should get.
@@johnjoyce8617 no maybe the mother shouldn't do criminal crap
Is there no law in the US against making false complaints? Because of the mendmunts, or something?
In the UK that would be wasting police time, and the baseline for the fine is double the full costs incurred.
When entering an animal in the Shasta County Fair youth livestock auction, a parent does sign the entry agreement. But what makes no sense in this is that the Shasta County Fair Board had no standing in the disposition of the animal. The auction is a straightforward sales agreement between the buyer and the seller. The Buyers Brochure does state "Through arrangements made by the sales committee, you can have your purchased animal processed and delivered to the the local locker plant of your choice". The buyers brochure does not state that the buyer MUST comply with the arrangement, and it does not describe the purchase as "meat", a "carcass", etc. It describes it as "your purchased animal". It also states that "Members of 4-H and FFA are responsible for animals until they reach the processing plant". Creating a custodial responsibility for the animal by the seller after the auction.
At no point in this transaction was the Fair Board the rightful owner of the animal. In fact, the agreement explicitly holds the seller responsible for the animal after the sale up until the point that it is delivered for slaughter. At the point that the Fair Board was notified of the buyer's intent to return the animal to the seller, the Fair Board had f**k all to do with the matter. I would argue that they filed a false police report when reporting this as a theft, and then acted to destroy property that was not theirs. As a former 4-H member and leader, and a former County Fair Board member in California, I'm dumbfounded that this played out this way. I can only surmise that B.J. McFarlane, the CEO of the Shasta County Fair, who personally called and threatened the girls mother, is a flaming a$$hole, and begs the question - "Is it hard to breath with your head that far up your a$$".
More recent reports by The Sacremento Bee ("Who ate Cedar the goat?") would seem to strongly vindicate your assessment of Mr Macfarlane's character.
Thank you! I grew up in the country too and there was always a way out. It's disgusting what happened and the very worst in society have come out in support of the fair official.
I have dealt with 4-H fair board members for years, most are great people. But some get a ounce of authority and it goes straight to their head. It’s the only power they have had and turn them into tyrants. It’s amazing to see.
I think you meant "disgusting" to see...
Some people are just like that, whether by nature or the life they've lived, and whether they're working in an office, teaching, in an HOA/condo association, or part of some social or religious group, they'll be a problem until someone finally kicks them out, or someone challenges their behavior enough that they either learn a lesson, or at least get the message that they're better off not being a problem for others.
Amazing no horrifying is more like it
This is where the fair needs to be taught a lesson.
I'd say "the unfair" need to be taught lesson..
Yes teach them a lesson they won't soon forget BIG $$$$
I think that the lesson learned here is that the government will spare no expense, skirt any obligation, and harm whomever they think necessary to cover their ineptitude. I'm in my mid 40's, and I'm a combat vet. So if you want to talk being able to stomach the grim reality of our world, I've been there, worn the T-shirt, and came back from it different than when I left. I don't have kids, I have pets. To me, the dogs that I have are the closest thing to children that I will ever get to experience. All I will say about the situation is this. I'm glad she's not my kid. Because if a child of mine decided to keep an animal, and after all this, they sent the Law after that animal, to then confiscate and slaughter it to close the case, leaving my child the one hurt..... That mother is a saint for not creating more job openings at the Fair grounds and police department.
Thank you.
Thank you. The world needs mor people like you.
I agree wholeheartedly.
well said
🙏
Thank you, sorry for the inconvenience
@Trump Is The Messiah :
And this time the conservative in question was willing to go along with the evil goat-thieving family! Yep, every story involving a conservative politician... it's always the same.
I would like to know, though, seriously, what the situation is that you're talking about - the one with the house.
The guy that filed the police report, should be charged with filing a false police report!!!
I can vouch that those kids who raise animals for a 4H project bond with them and love them. Many times they sleep with them in their pens in the barns at the Fair. It is very traumatic for them. My brother raised a prize winning steer at the Fair and had to lead him up into a truck after the sale knowing what was going to happen to him. 60 Plus years later I found the Fair sales slip when cleaning out my mom's papers after her death. I took it to my brother, a very strong man's man, and ask him if he remembered it. With tears in his eyes he said "I loved him and did not want to sell him but we were coming off of a hard time on the farm and we could use the money." He never forgot and still got tears over it.
Your brother sounds like a good guy. I would point out that unlike your brother, today children are extremely emotionally unstable and I think very strongly that it is the parents responsibility to make it crystal clear to the child that the animal being auctioned will end up being slaughtered. Society is raising very weak children, physically and mentally, they should not be engaged in animal raising if they are unable to go through with the auction. Your brother made a choice based on the financial situation and he grew up to be a man's man unlike the limp wristed sissies today.
@@TheRoadhammer379 I am willing to bet the majority of children today are more emotionally stable then you and you would collapse doing half the things i witness kids and young adults today doing.
That’s a hurt that never goes away. It hurts a little less as time goes by but it never disappears.
lol he loved the steer, buuutt... money. Sure he "loved" that steer.
@@ocoolwow You realize that if they were struggling financially, selling the steer might have been their only choice, right? Otherwise, they won't be able to feed the steer or themselves.
We need a legal option which says "You've made so many bad decisions that you can never hold a leadership in any company, again, ever." There are people whose judgement is *so bad* that they just need to be reduced out of any position they could hold power of any kind.
Every democRAT ever.
Yes, and that should be applied to the girl's mother, who failed to comprehend the words LIVESTOCK AUCTION.
@@mzmadmike yes. The mother is the real monster. She taught the kid so many bad life lessons. The kid is guaranteed to be a raging karen
you just described probably 80-90% of our judges, i think
@@lonebikeroftheapocalypse9527 OOH, Nice one! Don't forget the Repugnant Party!
The instant they lied about the goat being needed for a BBQ and the buyer complaining I 100% lost all sympathy for the fair district. I can understand that the fair might be concerned about losing reputation as they might in the future lose revenue if people think sellers might take back the animal. But once you start fibbing to the police you should probably recheck your moral compass.
They went from "possibly" losing reputation initially, to "definitely" losing reputation by following through with a police response.
Ah but you see, the courts ruled that police don't need to tell the truth. So logically they applied that to everything the police do.
Auctions are always uncertain. There are hidden reserves all of the time on hoses.
If the stance of the fair grounds is that the goat belongs to the politician, and nobody knows where Sid goat is, the politician should sue the fairgrounds for failing to deliver the goat.
I remember a case like this years ago in my home town. There was a 4H auction where a boy (either close to or the same age as this little girl) was selling a pig. I don't remember all of the details as to when the boy became aware that the animal was being sold to go to slaughter but he completely broke down when he found out what was going to happen to the pig. The representative for the company that purchased the pig worked with the boys family to cancel the deal. I knew some of the folks involved and from what I was told everything went smoothly. The deal was cancelled, the pig went back to the farm that it had been living on and no one threatened to call the police. No one felt the need to "teach the boy a lesson" or any such thing
The only lesson that should ever be taught is one of compassion and understanding.... something the human species is sorely in lack of, IMHO! SMH! 😞
Sounds like you have SANE people living in your Home town.
Key words - "years ago" ! Since then the world has gone slowly "nutso" ! !
For me we raised animals on teh farm for the sole purpose of slaughter. We knew this as kids and never had an emotional breakdown over it. How can you raise kids and have them not understand?
That said, I see no issue with people deciding to cancel participation in a 4H auction. Fairs are supposed to be about fun and community, not legal battles. If someone likes their animal, so be it.
This is really common with younger 4h kids. National 4h policy is let the kid keep the animal, Work something out, do not make 4h look bad. This person clearly didn't get the memo.
What an inhumane travesty. Rest in peace Sedar. I'm sure you lived your best life with that little girl.
The goat had a good life, up until that last bit... but that's the best *anybody* can hope for.
It's the little girl who's pet got killed that I'm concerned about.
Sounds like the fair official needs to be charged with lying to law enforcement and misuse of public funds.
This story infuriated me to a point i have never reached before.
That county fair official made a decision to use MY MONEY, YOUR MONEY, OUR MONEY, money i work very hard to earn but never see because yes, the government does need its cut, to steal a childs pet to teach the child a lesson.
Oh, they were absolutely teaching her a lesson. They were teaching her that tyrants come at all power levels, regardless of their position. And that you cannot trust any government agent of any agency. I would guess that through an unfortunate method, they have created a libertarian.
Also, "goat absconding" is the best claim I've heard in a while.
Think it’s going to make the girl hate America and 4H
Yep. And wouldn't surprise me if their participation goes down.
I was a 4h kid and in our county the auction was voluntary. Some parents wanted to keep the animals for breeding, there was also human affection, etc. I also remember people putting animals they no longer wanted in their herd in to the auction.
Whomever is running this auction is a real piece of work.
@RawBot it's not that. It's the fact that the buyer was willing to rescind the sale, the seller was willing to reimburse whatever money the fair would have made, and they still decided to exercise their power and force the transaction. Neither party to the sale would have been harmed if it was rescinded. The only harm would have been the fee the fair would have made. They decided to force a transaction to be completed even when neither the buyer nor the seller wanted to do so. That is insane.
Lol reminds me of Ron Swanson and that little girl who was doing a school project on why government matters and she took a paper to school saying "It doesn't". I'm not a purest libertarian anymore but yeah they probably created a libertarian (and lets be honest if her parents are in the business they are in then she was probably already being raised that way).
How i raise my livestock is none of your business
"No tyranny is more overlooked than the tyranny of the petty bureaucrat." -- Karl Popper
The fair director outed her real motivations when she used the term "fair industry." She sees county fairs as a business and is trying to protect her business interests regardless of the costs or consequences. It's not about fairness, it's about profitability at all costs.
Indeed. And she was so bent on it, that she actually lied to the police. Doesn't she know lying to the police is a crime? The list of what she is going to have to answer for gets longer and longer.
That’s not accurate. The fair executive was offered just compensation: the original commission amount + whatever additional money would be needed to compensate for costs and inconvenience. That was made clear in the video. The executive’s real motivations were something different than greed.
@@MarcosElMalo2 Thought about it, I have to agree with you. I have my opinion on what the reason might be, but it could be considered offensive, so I'm reluctant to say it.
@@MarcosElMalo2 Yes, even worse than greed.
"Your honor, the real damages aren't the commission my client lost out on. Their real damages are the loss to their reputation if they're forced to let 9-year-olds bully state senators into giving up on the auctions they won."
"Counselor, if your claim is based on destroying the fair's reputation, you're suing the wrong person. Your own client went far out of their way to accomplish that, to a degree many times worse than this little girl ever could have."
My heart is broken for the little girl. Nothing will remove her pain. Horrible.
Time will. It's sad, it's cruel on the part of those who did it, but she will get over it as long as she's allowed to. Children get over dead pets all the time. This was a cruel way to do it, but she will get over it.
@@segevstormlord3713 Time doesn't remove pain. You forget, but then something reminds you and it all comes back, just as fresh as it was on the day.
@@hyzmarca2737 Speaking as someone who has experience the effect, I can say that it _shouldn't_ do what you describe. Sure, there will be times and instances where it will come back, but it won't be every time you're reminded. I can speak of those I've lost, in some detail, without the pain I felt just thinking about them when it was fresh. I could probably work myself up by focusing on the pain, or even stumble on something that is so bittersweet or poignant that it does sharpen the memory to a painful edge, but for the most part, time does dull the pain. You move past it. You get used to the loss, that which caused sorrow becomes more distant and less able to hurt you.
You grow. You heal. It isn't easy, but it is possible, and even typical.
They sent police to "teach a 9 year old a lesson"... Anyone see a problem with this? And cops wonder why people hate them.
Law enforcement acted on information given to them under the assumption the information was correct, not false.
@@NightStalkers-hx3dq people nowadays use cops to do their personal bidding for crimes all the time.
@@NightStalkers-hx3dq Law Enforcement should try engaging in something called "due diligence" then, before becoming involved in anything like this! This is why people around the nation are sick and tired of "law enforcement personnel". This was a civil matter, and the police had NO business getting into it!
They did their job they Seized stolen property. The transfer of ownership happened when they entered the fairgrounds. This is what they agreed to and yes, the mother did sign off on this. Auctioned animals can go into the thousands of dollars they do require the parents signature.
@@timrosencrans7955 It's was not stolen property as the buyer agreed to sell the goat back , the fair organisers misrepresented the facts to the police, or didn't you comprehend anything said
As far as I can tell the fair as merely the agent for the sale and never the owner hence the commission
And I lived on a cattle farm most of my life and have no problem with sending animals to slaughter.
I would donate money to this law suit just to hear that the people running that county fair meet their comeuppance. And the fricking cops.
I see now that the California AG has counter-sued the Longs in this case, apparently to make them liable for any damages awarded them by a court. How asinine is this going to get?
Obviously the Shasta County Fair brings in enough money to the local economy to be able to get the local police department to send a Detective 500 miles to seize the goat. The police chief and the Detective involved should be fired. The fair Director is the A**hole in this whole affair and needs to be fired and have something precious to her taken and destroyed. What total B.S.!!!
Thanks Steve
I'm 63 yrs old now but this happened to me as a child. I had my pet sheep "Sassy" , and showed her at the fair (thru 4H) and then found out that she was to be auctioned off.
I was unconsolable at the time and my Father stepped in and Saved her. It was a huge ordeal at the time. Not sure what he did but I brought her back home and she later gave birth to twins "Lassy & Tassy". I loved them all so much❤
When I went to college the farmer, where we had originally bought her, took her back to live on his farm (with her babies) and kept them for me until they died natural deaths.
Mr. Wurtley said she was the best sheep he had ever had...I think she though she was a dog😊
There are many ways to teach lessons to kids but the Fairgrounds really overstepped their bounds. I believe the adults forgot the 4H pledge: I pledge my head to clearer thinking, my heart to greater loyalty, my hands to larger service, my health for better living …….. there was no clearance thinking here by the fairgrounds board.
@@ycoyle2803 Just words. People have no connection to the ideals that our social rituals were based upon. Heck, people don't even have a connection to the words that dribble out of their pie holes.
@@Auguur as someone who was all in on 4-h through high school I’m so disappointed.
I grew up with some sheep and three of them acted like puppies they were so friendly and cuddly.
Mr. Wurtley was a saint. You were ever so fortunate.
Seriously, the staggering incompetence of government and enforcement these days is terrifying. I hope all those creeps lose thier employment and the right to ever own a pet again. But we all know there won't even be a consequence for their psychotic actions. The entire reason we're in this mess in the first place is they never face consequences.
EDIT: Also ironic that the scumbag ceo was trying to "teach responsibility" by filing a false police report
Have you personally pulled the report and read it to see that it was a false report? I understand what Steve said in the video, but he doesn't know for sure that it was a false report in that way.
CEO is going to learn a valuable lesson: lawyers charge by the hour, and it’s going to cost you a lot more than $902.
Also: don’t contract with minors, don’t dispose of property that is not yours, and don’t mislead the police. Those are stupid games and you get some monumentally stupid prizes.
Is it incompetence, or deliberately malicious?
@@undrhil
Police only handle CRIMINAL matters, not civil mattes like Breach of Contract.
So, yes, the fair CEO filed a CRIMINAL complaint, otherwise the cops wouldn't have driven 500 miles to get the goat.
If the CEO said, "they breached a contract!" the cops would have said, "Civil matter, not our bailiwick -- go hire an attorney."
@@undrhil Didn't watch the video, did you?
The family won the lawsuit against the Shasta County (sheriff office) to the tune of $300,000. The case against the district fair is still ongoing and hasn't gone to court yet.
Fantastic
That $900 goat probably just cost the organizers a whole hell of a lot more... Hope Steve follows up on this!!
BTW, 4H animal and a kid having regrets and backing out is NOT new. So it is strange to me they took it that far. I think our society has raised a bunch of people incapable of admitting they are wrong that leads them to the point of crazy!
Common sense as they say, is not longer common at all. Power corrupts, as everyone can see even a little county fair administrator can let power go right to their head! SMH! 😐
@@michaelshrader5139 I truly think people just can't admit they are wrong so instead of just saying I'm wrong they will fight even the most ludicrous thing.
@Mainely could you imagine what the 4h director response would be if the judge ordered one of their kids pets be taken and killed would be? I am NOT advocating that. Just making a point. We also live in a society it's ok as long as it's someone else's problem.
Our current law enforcement situation is becoming an abomination. It’s like these officers have no common sense.
I don’t think the officers are the problem here. There was a breach of contract. A warrant was issued to address the issue. Do we want cops over ruling judges and prosecutors? Look at the problems we have with accusations of political bias in prosecutorial discretion. This would add another layer of conflict.
The individuals who requested the warrant and those who signed off on it instead of sending this to civil court are the problem here. Not the cops executing a properly issued warrant.
They're becoming hired thugs.
@@PureMagma I had to laugh out loud when Steve said don't ever call the cops because they would keep the money as civil forfeiture for sure and screw everybody involved over.
@@TheNicii If the contract was with a minor, there's no breach of contract, as Steve pointed out, AND even if there was breach of contract, the mother offered to make ALL parties whole, so that none of them suffered any loss.
Therefore, your argument is extremely poor.
And no, there wasn't a warrant issued for "breach of contract" because that's a CIVIL matter. Police don't handle civil matters, they handle CRIMINAL matters.
CORRECTION…
Police are not suppose to get involved with civil matters, except to prevent a breach of the peace.
I worked as a dispatcher, and ANY officer I’ve ever worked with would have instantly said “sorry ma’am this is a civil issue, not a criminal one, you’ll have to settle this in court” (to the complainant).
If ever there was a case you did not want to take in front of a jury it is this one. If I was the defendants lawyer I'd be telling them to get out their checkbook and see how many zero's it takes to make this go away because that will be cheaper than letting a jury decide.
And you know the attorney on the other side will request a jury trial. If I was suing, even at the risk of losing, I'd take this to court instead of settling just for the media circus and backlash that the defendant will experience. No amount of money is good enough to resolve this.
good thing there are people who will actually look at the merits of the case...they had the goat for less than 2 months? Sorry, that isn't a pet with a huge attraction for the family, other than a misguided parent and her entitled daughter. Think about it, what pets have you had that you had for less than 2 months then decided it was a good idea to take them to the fair to be sold and slaughtered? How close were you to those pets?
Sorry but that is the killer situation here, absolutely destroys the woman's claims of it being a pet and why they backed out of the deal AFTER the auction was over.
@@jamesw71 You have no idea how any of this works. Nor the time line in question. They backed out Prior to the auction for one.
@@jamesw71 terrible take
@@jamesw71 Maybe once you're more than a couple of years older than the little girl, you might realize how utterly bizarre your attempt at 'telling it like it is' was. You're going to be very embarrassed. Here's some advice: to understand how people work, you need to spend time with them.
"Animals aren't people." Neither are corporations, but the law seems to think so. At least animals are living beings, and not some economic concept.
Incorporate your goats
People create corporations. People do not create livestock.
Correction, corporations are persons. They have also defined you as a person on all the paperwork you signed and didn't comprehend. There are multiple legal definitions of person.
@@ThereIsNoOtherHandleLikeMine
It's private property.
God damn. Ok. That story is fake.
The child didn’t own the goat. It was not, nor ever was, a pet. She was part of a training program teaching kids how to farm, and the child took the goat from the property, stealing it. The goat was supposed to go to slaughter because it belonged to the farm.
When I was 9 I had a pet goat who literally slept in my bed and walked me to the school bus/home after school. She was the best "dog" I ever had, she was a brown and white Nubian called Gemini.
500 miles and police time for 63 dollars? Even for the full 1000 dollars that's insane.
The rules of law and the punishments for not following them are set up to teach people lessons. Holding the fair director responsible and accountable for their violations of law would be a valuable lesson to them - a teaching moment if you will.
Exactly!
This is literally the theme of a children's story where the moral is to protect what you love because world is a terrible and cruel place of elitism and injustice.
The story should teach that goats are delicious.
Yeah, well pig knew the deal.
Make a movie."Free Billy"
@@mzmadmike
...and that some people are incredibly superficial and glib.
While raising our children, my husband and I were ALL about natural consequences. Having to contact the buyer, pay lost fees to 4H, etc are ALL natural consequences of backing out of a contract. If 4H feels that was not enough, then do not allow the same child to put any more animals in the fair next time, but this is ridiculous!
My thoughts exactly.. If the buyer and seller reached a deal and the commission was paid, their only recourse would be to prevent them from entering future competitions
the fair need to ensure the integrity of the auction as well...otherwise if everyone pulls out of their contracts they no longer have a fair.
@@jamesw71 with the way they're getting publicity from this bullshit they might not have one anyhow.
Just ban them from future fairs as punishment/deterrent but sending the cops after them was a dick move
I do understand the position of 4H as "young farmers" have to realize that farm animals are raised to be slaughtered. In this case the "young farmer" was taught that she did not have the abilities to allow an animal to be slaughtered. If I was the Governor, I would have asked the girl for $1 to purchase the goat. The $902 is not worth the heartbreak of a young child. I have been involved with the 4H in my teenage life and have never heard of organizers doing anything like this. The only remedy that is now available is to remove the organizers involved from the 4H.
@@jamesw71 The "if everyone did it" argument is specious. Everyone is NOT doing it. If everyone did it, you would have to assume there was something nefarious going on with the fair that was causing everyone to renege on their agreement.
This story is mind boggling. The waste is jaw dropping. Who is the woman charging herself with teaching the girl a lesson in responsibility? Who was harmed? And, what about the false police report? Unreal. I just can't get my head around how bizarre this is. I hope the fair suffers genuine embarrassment.
I agree…why was it her responsibility to teach this child ‘a lesson’? This will make so many kids not want to participate at all.
This is just pure evil. Hopefully these power hungry fair officials will be removed from their position.
It was basically one woman fair director! She needs to be removed for lack,of decency, and moral common sense, when the little girl said no! And the buyer said no! What gave her that, sense of self entitlement, that she was doing the right thing...she will not be in her position for long..she made a MOCKERY of the 4-H spirit...who is going to join, or want to do business with her, I cannot even express the astonishment,I am feeling, knowing she filed a false police report, to try and cover up, her wrong doing, even she knew she was doing the wrong thing...thus the lying ,and attempted cover up!..😡
@@michellekrueger5122 So basically this story boils down to, "Karen with power abuses it to inflict suffering upon a small child, while screeching about being the moral authority?"
@@michellekrueger5122 Agreed, that not 4-H, that’s fascism.
@Trump Is The Messiah
No, I think it is "let's go Brandon"!
Why don't you get a life?
It wasn't her pet. Her mom signed a contract with 4H that clearly state what would happen. She went back on the contract, stole the property, and got caught.
Very sad story. The biggest lesson this girl probably got out of this is how cruel and evil this world can be.
It tought her the all too common lesson that ACAB.
She also learned to never trust adults or authority figures either.
She has learned that cops can be more evil than politicians and far more dangerous.
Well she was going to learn that lesson anyway.
No, she was taught not to steal livestock. The farm program she was part of had property rights to the goat. Steve is way off on this.
Now we just need a judge to tell the 4-H director to return the original goat intact, whole, alive, and in healthy condition or face criminal charges up to and including the wrongful death of an animal that was the property of someone else. That would, of course, help teach them a lesson about lying to law enforcement.
Also the little matter of filing a false police report, imho!
Since the goat was "sold" at auction for $900 it easily clears the $500 bar for California's related law of livestock theft valued at $500 or more, making it grand larceny.
@@logansmall5148 Yep, the mother needs to be charged.
Probably throw contempt of court in there too if they can't produce the goat in the condition it was in when the police originally found it... I would, if I were the judge, that's for sure!
Wow. A decision concluded without knowing the facts of the case. Yes it's a insane world we live in.
I love how they have simplified the justice system by making the cops the judges as well.
I grew up in 4H and went to the county fair. it wasn't unusual for the livestock purchaser to 'buy' the animal, pay the money and give back the animal back to us. growing up on a farm, we understood the life cycle but when you work with an animal everyday, you sometimes get attached.
Me too, and FFA as well. Some animals, they bond with the person who cares for them. Some animals are just wired differently than "the herd", and if given care they will give actual give love back and there'in lies the change from "food" to "pet" and even "best friend". This little girl, consider how this experience will affect the rest of her life now.... and not in a good way either! 😞
@@Reiman33 Maybe that's a shitty fucking lesson, and it's weird that we deliberately teach children to have less compassion towards animals.
@@Reiman33 That's an offensive way to put it. I can guarantee you that none of the people in 4-H when I was growing up were of some sort of illusion that animals weren't there for our use. Some had 'show animals' that were generally _not_ slaughter bound, but rather used for breeding (and pets), but they were still animals.
Most farmers have compassion for their animals; they're just aware that they're raising them for food. You probably think that everyone should beat their horses and mules, from the way you worded your post.
@@GamesFromSpaceNot a "shitty lesson" for a future farmer, a necessary one.
@@maxmccullough8548 Already got that nine year old's career picked out? That's not making it less weird.
Yup, this is a teachable moment for all sides.
First, I agree with Steve's thinking here.
As a youth, I was in 4-H and raised capons one year, a lamb another year, and a pig another year. All of my animals were auctioned and the sales were completed without further ado.
Fifty-ish years later I can sympathize with the girl in this story; not that I grew inseparably attached to the critters I raised for a season, but responsible caretakers do experience a bond with the animals in their care.
I can't imagine the 4-H personnel of a half-century ago making this kind of bone-headed unforced error; and I can only shake my head over the idiots running the Shasta County 4-H program last year.
As I understood the story it was the Fair officials in charge of the auction that were responsible for the mess, not the 4-H people.
With the high school I was part of being huge in 4-H, I had friends/acquaintances all around us that raised goats, chickens, guineas, rabbits, cows, and so forth. They had to pay for the animal up front, and were reimbursed from the auction, IIRC. Some were show animals, some were slaughter animals, but they didn't _have_ to auction the animals at all. They were their personal property, not the property of the auction house. (Houston, Texas area) This sounds like the typical California "People don't have rights", except in this case, they actually killed the animal. Usually they decide the animal has more rights than people.
I had a similar situation, only mine involved a steer as opposed to a goat. The steer won best in show and I refused to sell him to slaughter (his mother died giving birth and I raised him from that point on). They threw a fit, but they never came for the steer which eventually died 25 years later as the happiest bull you could ever ask for.
A steer dying as a bull is truly remarkable! A miracle or a fantastic veterinary operation! Are you sure you once raised a domestic animal of the neutered male cattle animal type?
@@wssides , my bad, we always called all our young males steers. Obviously we hadn’t neutered old Samson, we stopped raising cattle 30 years ago. Livestock was my grandfathers thing, I stick to my plants.
@@lordchaa1598 it amazes me how much people need to prove their intellectual superiority over others instead of just listening to the warmth of the story itself. I am glad your "Cow" had a happy life.
@@wssides.......Really??? In this day and age maybe the 'steer' identified asa bull. Just sayin. 🙃
@@garnetj69 a cow is a cow is a cow. It’s so much easier lol
Thank you for the great rundown of the legal issues. I heard about this case when it happened and it really bothered me. The legal particulars are even more crazy. What a waste of government resources. That CEO needs to get fired.
Once having been a police officer, now applying for a job somewhere in the outer regions of Oklahoma, and his responses that he decided on his own to take a piece of property and deliver it to a party involved in a dispute and allow them to destroy it. That doesn't even touch the fact that it was a pet of a nine-year-old. All I can think of is that the guy who's in jail for not returning the library book.
The little girl learned a lesson alright. Don't trust adults, especially authority figures.
Or to trust the Judicial system, or Adults in power positions. C’mon folks she was 9 years old! If she chose to back out of the contract as per California law . It’s over! The fair officials that pushed this forward should be facing Felony charges for their actions (or the least severe misdemeanor charges,for these actions).
And we wonder where and why there’s people who would like to see America fall
Ah, the “we’ll teach the child a lesson” defense, enforced by the police.
On the Sheriff Office's side, who was the idiot who approved driving 500 miles to retrieve the goat? If I was the police chief, I would have paid for the goat myself. 😅
Nobody loves spending over frivolous reasons like government officials. Easy overtime! $100 an hour to do nothing!
They'd rather confiscate a little girls pet than go confront a drug dealer. You better believe it.
Yes, the "Police Chief" told the "Sheriff's Office" to get the goat. SMH
I grew up on a farm and had pet goats. It sounds to me like 4H has forgotten what it is there for. This is like elementary school sports deciding that they are the olympics. No smug agricultural person should ever be telling a parent what lessons need to be taught to their child, especially if THEY themselves are the problem. The fact that this fair CEO framed it as a theft rather than a dispute shows malice.
once the goat is up for auction and sold...yes it is theft at that point.
@@jamesw71 But as was said, that goat is precious to the girl and her mother had all the will and money to make them(the fair) whole. What is the problem there?
I bet people get fired. Plus. Why is law enforcement being used as debt collectors? What a waste of tax payer dollars.
@@XCodes Thank you. I also believe that a breach of contract needs to show harm. If the contract is being satisfied without the goat, there is no harm. The fair CEO was being belligerent and unconscionable about the contract so the breach seems warranted in my view. The willingness to still make the auction winner whole shows good faith. The desire to kill and only kill the goat as a teaching moment to a kid who has become attached to it as a pet...shows malice and abusive intolerance.
What aggravates me more than anything is that the definition of agriculture does not hinge on killing animals. There is only one branch of livestock agriculture that is feeding carnivores. There is usually a twin branch getting milk, eggs or wool...or riding horses as pets. Not everyone is cut out for slaughter and only an arrogant sociopath from the slaughter world thinks a child should be "broken" to accept slaughter. Every farmer should be allowed to make that free will decision. Deciding that your animal is worthy of living is not a decision that some busybody middle man, drenched in animal death, should be allowed to overrule.
This one really pissed me off. These fair “officials” need to get fired ASAP.
Many years ago we were involved with showing rabbits and guinea pigs at our local (very large nationally known) fair. We quit because I have never met a more petty and vengeful group of so called adults in my life. For something that should be a fun family oriented event there was nothing but nitpicking, bickering and misery coming from the organizers/management. It's almost as if they hated us (exhibitors) AND their job.
Well, that last sentence would explain it!
You just couldn’t compete and don’t understand competition
@@SaltySouthTexan what? Maybe stop typing and think about being a better person
I had a friend who was on the local fair committee as part of her job with our company. Every time they had a meeting she would vent to me about the people and their pettiness. It was all about the money, even to the point that when covid was going on they didn't want to cancel the fair. The people who were bringing the rides did that for them, fortunately.
@@SaltySouthTexan Having more fingers doesn't mean you're a winner.
If the Senator bought the goat at auction then that is now the owner and can give or sell the goat to the child. I’m not sure how the fair officials could interfere with the agreement between the new owner and the little girl.
exactly
The contract between the mother and the end bidder could have easily been rescinded after the fact, independently from the auction people. However, the delivery distance could have placyed a role in the mother's actions, if the distance to the senator's place were very far away the delivery could have been very costly. So the mother in the name of the little girl, thought it would be easier to rescind at the fair ground.
In regards to the police, if I were to call them and ask them to retrieve my goat, and the other party said, "It is our goat. My daughter decided not to sell it." then the police would normally say this is a civil matter, fight it out in court. So why in hell are they deciding to get involved here?
Because this was a personal favor. Otherwise known as abuse of power, and corruption.
The Fair and the cops need to be sued into oblivion.
And put in the stockade along with that wench from the fair on the front lawn of the city building while people are encouraged to throw rotten vegetables and fruits at them LOL
There was a similar story in Wisconsin. It ended when 10 farmers showed up all armed and asked for the cow back... I mean it was in the 60s but I still chuckle at it.
As a cattle rancher that has sold thousands of livestock, of the bovine variety, for decades, I have always had the right to “no sale” my animals at the end of auction bidding. So does everyone else at the stockyard. At any point before they are loaded on a truck or money changed hands I have always been able to back out of the deal if I was not satisfied with the situation. The little girl owed no one anything. She backed out of the deal and didn’t even owe anyone commission . She is a victim of armed robbery and should be compensated accordingly. If it weren’t for qualified immunity, the cops wouldn’t be bold enough to do this in the first place.
Finally, we hear from someone who has actually auctioned off cattle!
I hope they sue the crap out of the Fair with a jury trial and a little girl crying on the witness stand. $1 million slam dunk.
Yeah, and then the parents could get the little girl her own goat farm 🙂
@CJRock as Steve said no one was harmed except the little girl. Only a POS would force the issue.
The only problem with this is the taxpayers pay and the cruel idiots get off scot free without being held responsible for their actions.
You had me at "fair officials".
This was an easily avoidable situation for someone not on a power trip
WOW! I had no intention to listen until the end. But I was HOOKED. What a story!!! I have a feeling the Fair Officials will be the ones being taught a lesson on this one. Great video, Steve. BTW, I subscribed and gave a thumbs up.
The straw that broke the camels back. Just take this kind of cruelty to change laws forever. I know a few that have a pet goat and they act like a dog.
What the fair did was break a little girls heart and that's cruel and unusual punishment.
I hope they sued.
People who were involved in knowingly destroying this animal deserve what ever comes their way, regardless how horrible.
This little girl showed compassion to the weak and defenseless and that is the surest way to infuriate a scoiopath .
and a psychopath
Yeh as a 9 year old my vencence would have been all consuming, I don't know if I was a normal kid or not but I don't think 500 miles would be enough to keep me from retribution.
The fair industry should teach this girl a lesson in responsibility…by example:
1. Criminal penalties for filing a false police report on the part of the fair.
2. Official misconduct on the part of the police.
3. Reparations for the goat paid to the girl, a public apology, and punitive damages to ensure they understand and may tell a friend.
i think learning empathy is something the adults at the fair need to learn.
yeah, because the kid had such a huge connection to that goat...had it less than 2 months.
@@DaveReithmiller1983it’s a piece of meat and someone bought it, children don’t matter lol
Right? And there is more than one path to learn.
@@jamesw71 4H raises a goat 7-10 months before the child shows it. Check your facts.
@@GamebossUKB Troll