So this guy killed his last partner because of infidelity, then made everyone beleive she died on 9/11, and then used the reparation money to buy a ring for his new partner ?! Dude's fucking cold
You're right the guy is cold, but not exactly a cause and effect. He used 9/11 to coverup the murder. At the time, he had no way of knowing he'd get a large sum of money for her death months later.
@@elizabethescalante7866 There's nothing that indicated the new ring he bought was anywhere near $43k. His new fiancee would have been very suspicious had he given her a ring that expensive. When she tears the ring off in disgust, it's not because he bought it with the reparation money, it's because she found out he murdered his prior fiancee.
@@flyboy152 That is absolutely false. She rips it off because he bought it with that money. No, the ring probably wasn't worth the 44k or whatever, but she rips it off only after hearing that he bought the ring with the reparations money.
@@elizabethescalante7866 Oh, certainly. But I doubt I'd make such a poor choice in the first place. I'm still married to the same woman I proposed to 25 years ago.
@@JaxLittles ....really?....you’ll sellout for a PS5?? You would willingly and knowingly make yourself an accessory to murder for the latest game system console on the market!!? Where is your sense of morality??!😒
Those who understand court procedure know that neither prosecution nor defense can submit surprise evidence because all of that should have been submitted in discovery, before the trial proper. There are some exceptions to this, but it's not as easy as dramas make it look.
Also, I don't think lawyers & prosecutors are allowed to approach the witness or move about the courtroom without permission from the judge (I could be wrong).
This scene is powerful, especially with the fiance's reaction. I can't imagine the feelings she's going through. First being supportive of who she believes is the love of her life, dealing with the tragedy of his past love. Then you find out he lied about knowing his fiance cheated, breaking the law of perjury. Then that he was spying on your conversations, stalking your life because of his suspicions of cheaters. Then that he lied again about the money he got from his fiance's death doing to charity. Then confusion turns to disgust when she realizes that blood money went to her ring, tearing it off like it burns her skin to wear it. That causes her partner to go into defending his actions, which she may have not pieced together in her building confusion right away. Her focus was on the ring but his reaction makes it clear. He did it. Then the horror sets in that you had been living with a murderer who killed his fiance in a rage spurred by infidelity. That he was changed by the event to distrust their partner and assume they would likely cheat on them. And to that their only defense is his undying love. Like it makes it justified. You then become horrified at the realization, that if the truth never came out about what he did... would he have eventually done the same to you? Even if you didn't cheat, he wouldn't trust you, and he would no doubt be capable of doing it again under the thought that he got away with it the first time.
She is played by Lucy Deakins, she is a great actress, I first saw her in The Boy Who Could Fly(1986), a movie for the disney channel. She was also in the great outdoors as a side character for John Candy's characters son's love intrest, even as a side character she did a phenomenal job.
I don’t get it. She doesn’t know at this point he killed her. We barely know, I’m basically guessing. All she knows is he bought the most expensive engagement ring I’ve ever heard of not involving a celebrity, using a large amount of money he’d just received, instead of using it to build an awesome man cave or flying to Vegas. I mean he had to use money to pay for her right, right? It’s sad that it came from his previous wife’s death, but that’s not really her business is it? It was legally obtained. So what’s her freak out about (again, she has no clue he killed her, if he even did, the newsman did place her in the tower that morning).
That’s what your supposed to do when you find out that the person you love killed their last partner. He killed her because she cheated. A smart person would just dump them and walk away or use them for a bit. Never marry them. Instead he killed her. Makes you wonder what he would do to you? You talk to the repairman, mechanic a neighbor and he sees you laughing. In his mind he will say your cheating on him or about to. From there, verbal abuse some hitting and then he will talk himself into killing again. He got away with it before. So run, run away from them as fast as you can.
@@lostinthestorywithjeremymi9385 - no they don’t. You choose this person. Your in a relationship. You can’t stay faithful, then you get out of it. No one deserve to be cheated on, No one deserves to me lead on. Grow up and cut them loose. Then go off and do what you want.
@@lostinthestorywithjeremymi9385 I don't think so. My ex had cheated on me multiple times but I never once thought of cheating on him because I don't think anyone deserves to be cheated on,no matter how terrible they are. It's not a pleasant feeling to know someone you loved and trusted put their selfish desires before even thinking about you. It's best to just walk away and know that you deserve the respect for not playing the same games your partner did.
So let me get this straight he kills his first fiancé because she cheated, he kills her & uses the blood money from her murder to buy his other fiancé a very expensive engagement ring
You know how old this is because of what the assistant AD said: "A bag a woman takes to work has a phonebook, a datebook, a pen." Today: "A bag a woman takes to work has her phone."
more like "a bag a woman takes to work has a phone, a pen, random assortment of papers/documents, is significantly bigger than an evening bag (those suckers can fit at most my phone and a credit card if I'm lucky) and has a bunch of old parking/stores' receipts at the bottom"
Y’all underestimate how much we can fit in our bags it goes like this: Phone, documents, perfume, mirror, lotion, lip balm, at least 1 pen, pads/tampon and maybe a laptop
Well, when I was working (as a professional woman) having one purse for the office and another for a night out was exactly as portrayed here. I just had the essentials when I went out for the evening. I didn't want to drag around my larger, heavier purse.
@@oldyellerschannel4676 not saying we’re all the same in that aspect, just that we all subconsciously follow common denominators of what was portrayed here for both our professional and evening accessories in our purses.
@@GoGreen1977 my mother’s the exact same way before she retired which is why she had various purses she brought over the years. All ranging from sizes, everyday work wear to evening wear.
I felt like that was mildly sexist lol...like, can a woman not take an evening-style purse to work? This seemed more clever when I first saw this episode, when I was 14 😆 I was probably too obsessed with Rohm to notice any plot holes lol.
the assumption all women carry the same things and act the same way is contrived. Imagine if Jack or Arthur would have came up with that premise you would be mad. Although I am Black I cannot speak for all Black men.
@@stuartperry8141 ~ You're making more out of what I said then need be. Women understand certain habits other women may have. And sorry, but Serena was right here. When females went out on the town, they carried as little as possible, which meant a small evening bag, with a few accessories. I've done the same thing in the past...
@@stuartperry8141 Not if they had also seen her normal day bag at her sister's place. I'd be impressed they noticed a bag, remembered and were able to connect those dots.
Dude with 43k I could’ve easily paid off my student loans, my mom’s bills and opened my own B+B both here and in the UK. An not on a wedding or a useless ring!!
When the killer said he donated the insurance money from his first fiance's death to the Police and Firemen relief fund, did it not occur to him that a donation of that size would be recorded?
So the man not only killed his girlfriend, but also basically abused her death taking the money and buying a new ring with them? That guy has no chill whatsoever
The guy who is first on the stand in the beginning of this clip, later plays a lawyer who kills two witnesses, a cop, and a judge in season 19, all in pursuit of making sure a billion dollar lawsuit goes his way.
His name is Tom McCarthy and he's an Oscar winner and a very good director. He directed and wrote Best Picture winning Spotlight. Also some great films like The Station Agent with Peter Dinklage and The Visitor. He also directed a episode or two of Games of Thrones. Also the story for Pixar film UP. Also acted in a lot of great films like Meet the Parents, Syriana, Good Night and Good Luck and Michael Clayton.
How quickly she took off the ring it was like it burned, the same thing happened to me many years ago, I bought a phone from some guy and I loved it I was called into the police however because they said the phone ifind was on, when I said the phone was sold to me they said “someone was killed and those stuff taken...that phone included.” I took it out of my pocket QUICKLY and put on the table, it’s a horrible feeling having someone stuff when they were killed for it and god it almost feels like a burn of hot and ice
@@wontsufferfools9332 the ‘some guy’ was from a friend cousin, so I thought I could trust it, my friend claimed he his cousin got a brand new phone and I’ve been looking to get a ‘new’ phone.
The prosecution did tell them the body in the lot was Kelly, but the defendant's lawyer tried to make the case that the DNA was wrong. They definitively had her arm & purse at Ground Zero.
Always with the exact change. Wow. I remembered Serena seeing the purse, the pic of the arm, Mr. Paulson's dialogue, but I forgot the ending!! I thought Branch(?) got a case of champagne for dismissing the case against Hagen, and THEN they *prosecuted* the fiancé after the insurance money came up! Ah, well.. It's still a FANTASTIC episode!!!
Back then, even today honestly, too many people would use Very easy passwords that meant something to them. I can't tell you how many people I knew in the early 2000's that used 1234, guest, or birth dates as their passwords
I was a juror in a trial where one guy hacked another man's hand off, we saw the pictures. Granted the victim lived but I don't understand why the photo is inadmissible.
Doesn't mean someone is immune to being short-sighted. Many times incredibly smart people make one small mistake that, once discovered, starts the chain of dominoes resulting in their downfall.
The picture of the hand would not work in favour of the client at all in my humble opinion. I haven't seen too many victims of an explosion aso. but this hand was clearly cut off, not torn off.
Most of the people that died in the towers didn't die of the initial explosions & fire, but when the towers fell, their bodies were crushed and shredded by the debris. For a lot of the victims, they were lucky if they found even a hand intact; there was no reason at the time to suspect it had been hacked off with an axe at another location and thrown into the wreckage.
@@flyboy152 You saw the same photography I did. I wouldn't recommend it but do a quick Google search for torn off limbs after an explosion (warning, extremley graphic). While people maybe didn't think about it at the original event, on this trial the prosecuter was aware of limb having been amputated. Thing is; the show made a deal about showing us the missing hand - so when I could see that, this makes it rather difficult to then use said photography to prove that the victim was in fact killed by a violent explosion. Again; even an amateur could tell the wounds apart if he knew what he was looking for which in the example here, was absolutely essential to the case.
@@Arcaryon You missed my point that most of the tower deaths were not caused by the explosion, but by concrete and steel crushing the people, which could easily cause limbs to be chopped off. Even if they still had the hand, it might not be possible to determine the difference between the arm being hacked off with an axe, or being sheared off by a beam.
No no, he got a warrant, or at least it's implied that they did. He figured since the man has no right to privacy for lying on stand, but he made sure to request for a warrant just to be sure. Without it, it couldn't be used as evidence, with it, game set and match I guess?
Ridiculous storyline. Like most men even recognise their wife's bag or purse. Just last week we went to a family dinner and was asked to get my mother's bag for her. It was with 5 others and I couldn't tell you which one was her's or my girlfriend's.
It's my understanding it's required if the person is a suspect. You may be right. That's not my area of law. I do like this series, but it cracks me up that in so many episodes defense counsel allows their guilty clients to talk to the police / DA. I don't know any lawyers who do that.
@@joemunch58 The standard is Miranda is required if the interrogation is "custodial." There needs to be an arrest or a sufficient deprivation of freedom to be equivalent to an arrest. Here he came on his own free will and McCoy did not try to restrain him in any way.
Most victims of 9/11 that died in the WTC they could not identify by body parts. If they found anything it was a bone some teeth wallets things like that. The victims for the most part where crushed beyond identification then cremated in the fires that burned for days afterwards when the towers fell. Yes they burned for a few days after they fell also. So this man in this episode placed part of his murdered fiancée in the area around ground zero along with her night purse and that was used to ID her making her a victim of the terror attacks NOT a murder victim by him. His story fell apart because he had placed the wrong bag at the site.
The fiancé caught Kelly coming home from her date with Hagen, and wound up killing her. He dumped her body in the lot, thinking it wouldn’t be found for a long time, and Kelly would just be “missing”. When the towers fell the next morning, he saw the perfect opportunity to cover her murder by making it seem she’d died in the towers. He went back to the lot, chopped her hand off, and dumped it along with the bag in the tower rubble.
flyboy152 A very ingenious plan, too bad that Serena‘s knowledge of women’s accessories for work ethics and evening occasions blew up his entire endgame.
@@drogo1913 Yes, but also the fiancee tripped himself up by testifying that the small purse was her normal work bag. Had he kept his cool, and said that was her evening bag, it would have been another point against the defendant, who was making his whole case that Kelly had actually gone to work that morning.
Because she realized her fiancé had murdered his prior fiancée. It wasn't the same ring they found on the murdered girl. Harry Winston had stopped selling them a while before. It couldn't be the ring off of Kelly's body, as that ring was still on her corpse in Hell's Kitchen at the time he bought the new ring.
1:09 Did they even fingerprit the hand? I think it was discovered later that the body of Kelly was discovered elsewhere, not in the ruin of the towers.
Possibly. With multiple L&O franchises all filming in NYC at the same time, they burned through the local actor population quickly. There were several actors that appeared in multiple small roles in different episodes over the years.
@@tinfoilhatnews7489 And what was your point? It has absolutely nothing to do with the episode. It's as relevant as saying there are fires in California. Factually accurate, but completely meaningless.
Guy kills fiancée for cheating, hides body at twin towers. 9/11 happens. Guy pretends fiancée got killed in wreckage and plants evidence. Gets engaged to woman at 9/11 support group. New Fiancée finds out he's a psycho.
@@dusksunsetio6042 It's a nickname for Clinton, New York, on the West Side of Manhattan. The exact origins of the name are unknown but it was historically a place high crime and poverty.
@@amartyaroy3754 Kind of the reverse. He murdered her & hid her body Monday night, having nothing to do with 9/11. Then, when the towers fell the next morning, he used that to cover up the murder by tossing her arm & purse into the tower wreckage.
They never took fingerprints from the hand found at Ground Zero. At the time, there was no reason to suspect Kelly had been murdered. By the time they found the body, almost a year later, even if the hand was in cold storage, they wouldn’t have been able to get prints.
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So this guy killed his last partner because of infidelity, then made everyone beleive she died on 9/11, and then used the reparation money to buy a ring for his new partner ?! Dude's fucking cold
You're right the guy is cold, but not exactly a cause and effect. He used 9/11 to coverup the murder. At the time, he had no way of knowing he'd get a large sum of money for her death months later.
@@flyboy152 But, even so, it's sickens me that instead of using that money for good, he squandered it all for a flashy new ring for his new fiance!
@@elizabethescalante7866 There's nothing that indicated the new ring he bought was anywhere near $43k. His new fiancee would have been very suspicious had he given her a ring that expensive.
When she tears the ring off in disgust, it's not because he bought it with the reparation money, it's because she found out he murdered his prior fiancee.
Meh. I did the same thing.
@@flyboy152 That is absolutely false. She rips it off because he bought it with that money. No, the ring probably wasn't worth the 44k or whatever, but she rips it off only after hearing that he bought the ring with the reparations money.
I love the new fiance's reaction at the end:
growing realization...
outrage...
disgust...
and finally horror
Well, wouldn't you have the same reaction?
Elizabeth Escalante exactly
@@elizabethescalante7866 Oh, certainly. But I doubt I'd make such a poor choice in the first place. I'm still married to the same woman I proposed to 25 years ago.
@@elizabethescalante7866
Super
@@elizabethescalante7866 yes, exactly
Her reaction to the ring was priceless.
Suddenly worthless ring.
If my partner gave a ring bought with the blood money of their last lover, I'd probably freak out too!
Who’d want a ring bought and paid for with blood money🩸
@@drogo1913 I mean, I wouldn't want a ring... but if it's a PS5.... I mean... uhhh...
@@JaxLittles
....really?....you’ll sellout for a PS5?? You would willingly and knowingly make yourself an accessory to murder for the latest game system console on the market!!?
Where is your sense of morality??!😒
The actress who plays the wife is SO incredibly talented. That was peak emotive reaction
That’s Lucy Deakins, who subsequently retired from acting and became… an attorney.
@@geoffoldread7684 As soon as I finished reading that she became an Attorney, I heard The Famous Law & Order DA--DA! 🤣
@@geoffoldread7684 I remember Lucy as a child actress in The Boy Who Could Fly. Very talented indeed.
I don't know her name,but I believe she actually became a lawyer in real life.
@@mikebasil4832 She was also 'Cammie' in 'The Great Outdoors' with John Candy and Dan Akroyd.
Those who understand court procedure know that neither prosecution nor defense can submit surprise evidence because all of that should have been submitted in discovery, before the trial proper. There are some exceptions to this, but it's not as easy as dramas make it look.
Yeah, I found that annoying.
Also, I don't think lawyers & prosecutors are allowed to approach the witness or move about the courtroom without permission from the judge (I could be wrong).
This is TV, they can and will submit anything they feel can improve the storyline.
In real life, last minute evidences would usually be met with a recess, nor including it in right away and “off guard” unless in certain circumstances
@@ValdezJu yes you are so right
This scene is powerful, especially with the fiance's reaction. I can't imagine the feelings she's going through. First being supportive of who she believes is the love of her life, dealing with the tragedy of his past love. Then you find out he lied about knowing his fiance cheated, breaking the law of perjury. Then that he was spying on your conversations, stalking your life because of his suspicions of cheaters. Then that he lied again about the money he got from his fiance's death doing to charity. Then confusion turns to disgust when she realizes that blood money went to her ring, tearing it off like it burns her skin to wear it. That causes her partner to go into defending his actions, which she may have not pieced together in her building confusion right away. Her focus was on the ring but his reaction makes it clear. He did it. Then the horror sets in that you had been living with a murderer who killed his fiance in a rage spurred by infidelity. That he was changed by the event to distrust their partner and assume they would likely cheat on them. And to that their only defense is his undying love. Like it makes it justified. You then become horrified at the realization, that if the truth never came out about what he did... would he have eventually done the same to you? Even if you didn't cheat, he wouldn't trust you, and he would no doubt be capable of doing it again under the thought that he got away with it the first time.
Jesus, when you lay it all out like that...poor woman!
BRUH that's the best take after watching this!
She is played by Lucy Deakins, she is a great actress, I first saw her in The Boy Who Could Fly(1986), a movie for the disney channel. She was also in the great outdoors as a side character for John Candy's characters son's love intrest, even as a side character she did a phenomenal job.
Fiancee. Fiance is the spelling for a man.
Was about to say the same thing... she really is a great actress
That poor woman...the look of horror on her face as she practically tore that ring off broke my heart.
I don’t get it. She doesn’t know at this point he killed her. We barely know, I’m basically guessing. All she knows is he bought the most expensive engagement ring I’ve ever heard of not involving a celebrity, using a large amount of money he’d just received, instead of using it to build an awesome man cave or flying to Vegas. I mean he had to use money to pay for her right, right? It’s sad that it came from his previous wife’s death, but that’s not really her business is it? It was legally obtained. So what’s her freak out about (again, she has no clue he killed her, if he even did, the newsman did place her in the tower that morning).
@@RLucas3000You wouldn’t like to know your ring was bought with the money of someone’s DEATH
@@RLucas3000there are lots of rich people who aren’t celebrities
More sense than most.
That’s what your supposed to do when you find out that the person you love killed their last partner.
He killed her because she cheated. A smart person would just dump them and walk away or use them for a bit. Never marry them.
Instead he killed her.
Makes you wonder what he would do to you?
You talk to the repairman, mechanic a neighbor and he sees you laughing. In his mind he will say your cheating on him or about to.
From there, verbal abuse some hitting and then he will talk himself into killing again. He got away with it before.
So run, run away from them as fast as you can.
Some men deserve to be cheated on.
@@lostinthestorywithjeremymi9385 - no they don’t.
You choose this person. Your in a relationship. You can’t stay faithful, then you get out of it.
No one deserve to be cheated on, No one deserves to me lead on.
Grow up and cut them loose. Then go off and do what you want.
@@lostinthestorywithjeremymi9385 No
@@lostinthestorywithjeremymi9385 I don't think so. My ex had cheated on me multiple times but I never once thought of cheating on him because I don't think anyone deserves to be cheated on,no matter how terrible they are. It's not a pleasant feeling to know someone you loved and trusted put their selfish desires before even thinking about you. It's best to just walk away and know that you deserve the respect for not playing the same games your partner did.
Exactly
So let me get this straight he kills his first fiancé because she cheated, he kills her & uses the blood money from her murder to buy his other fiancé a very expensive engagement ring
That is a fairly accurate summation of the events
That is messed up to the max >_
Add onto it that he got the money by pretending she was killed in 9/11
@@LMKgoddess Yup: a whole new level of douchebag >_
@@LMKgoddess hey he didn't know he was getting it tho.
You know how old this is because of what the assistant AD said: "A bag a woman takes to work has a phonebook, a datebook, a pen."
Today: "A bag a woman takes to work has her phone."
It wouldn’t be proof though today. We take our phones everywhere.
more like "a bag a woman takes to work has a phone, a pen, random assortment of papers/documents, is significantly bigger than an evening bag (those suckers can fit at most my phone and a credit card if I'm lucky) and has a bunch of old parking/stores' receipts at the bottom"
Phone, pen, charger, laptop and don't forget snacks
Y’all underestimate how much we can fit in our bags it goes like this: Phone, documents, perfume, mirror, lotion, lip balm, at least 1 pen, pads/tampon and maybe a laptop
who doesn’t take their phone out during the evening
Never underestimate a woman who knows the standard accessory habits for both work and every other occasion.
Yeah, cuz we are all alike...
Well, when I was working (as a professional woman) having one purse for the office and another for a night out was exactly as portrayed here. I just had the essentials when I went out for the evening. I didn't want to drag around my larger, heavier purse.
@@oldyellerschannel4676 not saying we’re all the same in that aspect, just that we all subconsciously follow common denominators of what was portrayed here for both our professional and evening accessories in our purses.
@@GoGreen1977 my mother’s the exact same way before she retired which is why she had various purses she brought over the years.
All ranging from sizes, everyday work wear to evening wear.
I felt like that was mildly sexist lol...like, can a woman not take an evening-style purse to work? This seemed more clever when I first saw this episode, when I was 14 😆 I was probably too obsessed with Rohm to notice any plot holes lol.
Serena's understanding of women's accessory habits broke the case wide open...
the assumption all women carry the same things and act the same way is contrived. Imagine if Jack or Arthur would have came up with that premise you would be mad. Although I am Black I cannot speak for all Black men.
@@stuartperry8141 ~ You're making more out of what I said then need be. Women understand certain habits other women may have. And sorry, but Serena was right here. When females went out on the town, they carried as little as possible, which meant a small evening bag, with a few accessories. I've done the same thing in the past...
@@stuartperry8141 Not if they had also seen her normal day bag at her sister's place. I'd be impressed they noticed a bag, remembered and were able to connect those dots.
The defense attorney probably realized that, too.
Like you should never wash your hair right after a perm. 🤣
I'd be pissed 43 grand got spent on a fkin ring in the first place....
Not surprised alot people will spend that much on thier wedding, or wifes/girlfriends. assuming if your rich or desperate.
I wouldn't spend that much on my entire wedding, much less some stupid ring...
@@Deborahtunes Just goes to show how wasteful and spoiled rich people are.
Dude with 43k I could’ve easily paid off my student loans, my mom’s bills and opened my own B+B both here and in the UK.
An not on a wedding or a useless ring!!
I picked out my own ring and my husband paid less than 1 grand.
Girl took that ring off like it was on fire..poor thing.
When the killer said he donated the insurance money from his first fiance's death to the Police and Firemen relief fund, did it not occur to him that a donation of that size would be recorded?
Well, there were a lot of donations to that fund after 9/11, maybe he thought it would be hard to disprove his claim.
When this originally aired I thought “boy did he get lucky to use that as a cover up”.
brooo those tiny details are the best. But high key I was wondering too why she had such a tiny little evening purse for work 🤣
Writes software for a living. Uses "boo boo" as his network password.
Guy was a software developer, and one of the email subjects was "String variables not working!"
That's fine detail
When Jack McCoy asks you if you have an attorney, you know you're doomed.
Pretty much.
So the man not only killed his girlfriend, but also basically abused her death taking the money and buying a new ring with them? That guy has no chill whatsoever
the defense lawyer confused me on this one tried to make people think she died in the tower despite the fact the rest of her body was found elsewhere
The guy who is first on the stand in the beginning of this clip, later plays a lawyer who kills two witnesses, a cop, and a judge in season 19, all in pursuit of making sure a billion dollar lawsuit goes his way.
What episode is that please?
His name is Tom McCarthy and he's an Oscar winner and a very good director. He directed and wrote Best Picture winning Spotlight. Also some great films like The Station Agent with Peter Dinklage and The Visitor. He also directed a episode or two of Games of Thrones. Also the story for Pixar film UP.
Also acted in a lot of great films like Meet the Parents, Syriana, Good Night and Good Luck and Michael Clayton.
How quickly she took off the ring it was like it burned, the same thing happened to me many years ago, I bought a phone from some guy and I loved it I was called into the police however because they said the phone ifind was on, when I said the phone was sold to me they said “someone was killed and those stuff taken...that phone included.”
I took it out of my pocket QUICKLY and put on the table, it’s a horrible feeling having someone stuff when they were killed for it and god it almost feels like a burn of hot and ice
Yikes
Bought it from "some guy" and you suspected nothing?
🤔
@@wontsufferfools9332 the ‘some guy’ was from a friend cousin, so I thought I could trust it, my friend claimed he his cousin got a brand new phone and I’ve been looking to get a ‘new’ phone.
I forgot, how were they not able to tell they jury that the body they found was of the victim, and still push that she died at the towers.
The prosecution did tell them the body in the lot was Kelly, but the defendant's lawyer tried to make the case that the DNA was wrong. They definitively had her arm & purse at Ground Zero.
Always with the exact change.
Wow. I remembered Serena seeing the purse, the pic of the arm, Mr. Paulson's dialogue, but I forgot the ending!! I thought Branch(?) got a case of champagne for dismissing the case against Hagen, and THEN they *prosecuted* the fiancé after the insurance money came up! Ah, well.. It's still a FANTASTIC episode!!!
that password guess so lucky
Back then, even today honestly, too many people would use Very easy passwords that meant something to them.
I can't tell you how many people I knew in the early 2000's that used 1234, guest, or birth dates as their passwords
@@juliantapia1407 i forgot how weak passwords were back then. nowadays the site will force you to make it at least this long with this and that in it.
@@Icecube88 exactly. Back then sites didn't have any regulations on them. It was hilariously easy to guess up until maybe 2010.
Icecube88 nah, the victim called him that lovingly.
You have to see the full episode to understand why Lenny was able to guess that. It was Kelly's pet name for him.
Good thing she walked out. He killed his first fiancée for cheating 😬
I was a juror in a trial where one guy hacked another man's hand off, we saw the pictures. Granted the victim lived but I don't understand why the photo is inadmissible.
Well it DEFINITELY shouldn't have been introduced by showing it to the witness. He should have had it approved long before then.
The defense lawyer is from Galaxy Quest..ha
"By Grabthar's hammer, by the Sons of Warvan, you shall be avenged!"
Awe I was gonna say the hammer thing lol.
And from the first season of Madame Secretary
Went to High School with him
George Zavala that was Alan Rickman, not this guy.
When the DA say: "do you have an attorney", you know you fucked.
As the old saying goes, "The truth will out." No matter how long it takes and what the secret is.
i felt sorry for woman who almost victim by her husband
Actually, the curly haired girl was his new fiancée.
@@flyboy152 I think he/she means his new fiance got out while she had the chance and dodged a bullet.
The girls face in the Thumbnail 😂😂😂
So this guy is a software designer, but he uses a password that the police can social engineer with five second of guessing? Sure.
It's called arrogance.
Doesn't mean someone is immune to being short-sighted. Many times incredibly smart people make one small mistake that, once discovered, starts the chain of dominoes resulting in their downfall.
This guy really dug a deeper hole in this one.
Quick question to all commenters.
Most jewelry stores refund in store credit but, if you could refund a 43k ring what would you do with the money?
Guns. Lots of guns.
@@bronsontolliver9027 why guns???
@@drogo1913 For the upcoming civil unrest set to befall America first and then the world at large.
@@bronsontolliver9027 okay now I get it.
I would buy a house and go on vacation.
The picture of the hand would not work in favour of the client at all in my humble opinion. I haven't seen too many victims of an explosion aso. but this hand was clearly cut off, not torn off.
Most of the people that died in the towers didn't die of the initial explosions & fire, but when the towers fell, their bodies were crushed and shredded by the debris. For a lot of the victims, they were lucky if they found even a hand intact; there was no reason at the time to suspect it had been hacked off with an axe at another location and thrown into the wreckage.
@@flyboy152 You saw the same photography I did. I wouldn't recommend it but do a quick Google search for torn off limbs after an explosion (warning, extremley graphic). While people maybe didn't think about it at the original event, on this trial the prosecuter was aware of limb having been amputated. Thing is; the show made a deal about showing us the missing hand - so when I could see that, this makes it rather difficult to then use said photography to prove that the victim was in fact killed by a violent explosion. Again; even an amateur could tell the wounds apart if he knew what he was looking for which in the example here, was absolutely essential to the case.
@@Arcaryon You missed my point that most of the tower deaths were not caused by the explosion, but by concrete and steel crushing the people, which could easily cause limbs to be chopped off. Even if they still had the hand, it might not be possible to determine the difference between the arm being hacked off with an axe, or being sheared off by a beam.
Jack McCOY is the man. Period.
The truth always comes out
Makes me think if someone actually tried pulling that on the day the towers hit. That whole area around the towers was just fucked
This Mr. Houseman guy by the looks of it seems like quite the upstanding citizen. I’m in awe of how much good he has done for the community.
A picture of the hand cut off is not allow to show the Court?
Either it was evidence that was not exhibited before the court session or its illegal to show gory evidence
Thanks, Always enjoyed the stories/actors. The 911 memorial and museum in NYC , is a Bucket list place. Been there.
Yeah that attorney looked real sympathetic.
here’s a picture your dead fiancée’s severed foot, my deepest sympathies
It must be illegal to hack into someone’s computer without a warrant. It’s the same as searching someone’s house without one aswell
No no, he got a warrant, or at least it's implied that they did.
He figured since the man has no right to privacy for lying on stand, but he made sure to request for a warrant just to be sure.
Without it, it couldn't be used as evidence, with it, game set and match I guess?
00:44 By the Hammer of Grapthar, you shall be avenged!
"You have my heartfelt sympathy." (minutes earlier: shows him a picture of their severed body part)
And this ladies and gents, is why you don’t go through your lovers phones and emails. Might find something you didn’t wanna see.
hammer! No, don't think you understand... Hammer! No I don't think you understand... Hammer! Hammer! Hammer!
Ridiculous storyline. Like most men even recognise their wife's bag or purse. Just last week we went to a family dinner and was asked to get my mother's bag for her. It was with 5 others and I couldn't tell you which one was her's or my girlfriend's.
Some men are more attentive
Ffs, remember the time this came out🙄
just because you don’t pay attention to your partner’s belongings doesn’t mean others don’t.
If you remember "The Boy Who Could Fly" you know Lucy Deakins could wield the puppy dog eyes with gusto.
you know how mad i would be if my fiancé spent that much on a ring (unless we are like millionaires) 😂
Smart, and good sense.
That actor has a real talent for playing slimeballs, I still think of him from The Wire.
lol yeah I was like hey Scott Templeton was always a scumbag
I am a girl and I didn’t see that purse thing, mostly because I’m good with taking a backpack everywhere.
Lawyer pulled a sales tactic. Ask for something unreasonable to make something lesser seem more reasonable.
She had the same reaction as if the ring was burning her
5:22 pause to look at the emails. One from C. Simpson titled "increase the size of your hard drive". Wonder how they snuck that in there 😂.
Shouldn't he have been given his miranda rights warning before that interview?
Miranda warning only needs to be stated if a person is under arrest. He came of is own free will thus three is no issue.
It's my understanding it's required if the person is a suspect. You may be right. That's not my area of law. I do like this series, but it cracks me up that in so many episodes defense counsel allows their guilty clients to talk to the police / DA. I don't know any lawyers who do that.
@@joemunch58 The standard is Miranda is required if the interrogation is "custodial." There needs to be an arrest or a sufficient deprivation of freedom to be equivalent to an arrest. Here he came on his own free will and McCoy did not try to restrain him in any way.
He wasn't under arrest just yet. That would have come once the police got there to take him into custody...
So, did he kill her? How did he do it, and what did it have to do with 9/11?
Most victims of 9/11 that died in the WTC they could not identify by body parts. If they found anything it was a bone some teeth wallets things like that. The victims for the most part where crushed beyond identification then cremated in the fires that burned for days afterwards when the towers fell. Yes they burned for a few days after they fell also. So this man in this episode placed part of his murdered fiancée in the area around ground zero along with her night purse and that was used to ID her making her a victim of the terror attacks NOT a murder victim by him. His story fell apart because he had placed the wrong bag at the site.
The fiancé caught Kelly coming home from her date with Hagen, and wound up killing her. He dumped her body in the lot, thinking it wouldn’t be found for a long time, and Kelly would just be “missing”. When the towers fell the next morning, he saw the perfect opportunity to cover her murder by making it seem she’d died in the towers. He went back to the lot, chopped her hand off, and dumped it along with the bag in the tower rubble.
flyboy152 A very ingenious plan, too bad that Serena‘s knowledge of women’s accessories for work ethics and evening occasions blew up his entire endgame.
@@drogo1913 Yes, but also the fiancee tripped himself up by testifying that the small purse was her normal work bag. Had he kept his cool, and said that was her evening bag, it would have been another point against the defendant, who was making his whole case that Kelly had actually gone to work that morning.
wait, so why the disgust over the ring? because it was bought using the money? or are they trying to imply it was the same ring as on the dead woman?
Because she realized her fiancé had murdered his prior fiancée.
It wasn't the same ring they found on the murdered girl. Harry Winston had stopped selling them a while before. It couldn't be the ring off of Kelly's body, as that ring was still on her corpse in Hell's Kitchen at the time he bought the new ring.
1:09 Did they even fingerprit the hand? I think it was discovered later that the body of Kelly was discovered elsewhere, not in the ruin of the towers.
🙄😒..
LAWYERS ARE **NOT** ALLOWED TO VENTURE INTO THE WELL WITHOUT THE JUDGE'S PERMISSION!! 😅😂
😐"you have my heartfelt sympathy"
He could’ve went to the other woman after she left him
Joseph Balan Who could have gone to what other woman?
1:31 blurry blue shirt has evidence at my house
bruh...in open court? you egging for a mistrial?
It's that the same reporter from svu?
Just one of many actors and actresses who have had more than one role on a Law & Order series. Tom Mccarthy, he directed a Best Picture winning movie.
Wasn't that judge the owner of a plumbing company in another episode?
Possibly. With multiple L&O franchises all filming in NYC at the same time, they burned through the local actor population quickly. There were several actors that appeared in multiple small roles in different episodes over the years.
I live in California. If there is a loan on a wedding band its own by the bank
There was no loan, the ring was paid. Even then, your point is meaningless to the story as she was wearing the ring when she was killed.
@@flyboy152 wow I guess you didn't read the word "IF"
@@tinfoilhatnews7489 And what was your point? It has absolutely nothing to do with the episode. It's as relevant as saying there are fires in California. Factually accurate, but completely meaningless.
A word of advice kiddies: delete all your emails & never commit anything to writing.😈🤪
If he had waited a day..........
Was this the guy who was the reporter in the Wire series 5?
Yep
He also portrayed, on an 1st season episode of SVU, a newspaper reporter who betrays Olivia.
Guy designs software security for a living.
Guy uses a 6 letter password with no numbers or symbols.
7:30 - i'm laughing, i knew, i knew.... what a psychopath. Like Joker. he didn't see he killed a person.
AND Lenny Briscoe to the rescue...again! 😋
Sorry Honey but that's checkmate.
Can someone explain what's going on..
Guy kills fiancée for cheating, hides body at twin towers. 9/11 happens. Guy pretends fiancée got killed in wreckage and plants evidence. Gets engaged to woman at 9/11 support group. New Fiancée finds out he's a psycho.
@@dusksunsetio6042 He hid the body in Hell's Kitchen, then he cut off the arm and planted it at the Twin Towers after the disaster.
@@jonathancampbell5231 what do you mean hell's kitchen? I've never heard that term before
@@dusksunsetio6042 It's a nickname for Clinton, New York, on the West Side of Manhattan. The exact origins of the name are unknown but it was historically a place high crime and poverty.
@@jonathancampbell5231 ohhh, that's messed up
the look on her face was priceless ?
Slimy old Scott Templeton..
5:22 bada bing!
Why get engaged or stay engaged if youre just gonna cheat
Many reasons. Fear of being alone probably the strongest one. To have something "sure" while exploring your options.
This murderer's forehead is such a large target. 😃
My favorite part
This whole episode confused me
The Fiancé used the cover of 9/11 to murder his partner
@@amartyaroy3754 and got a new wife right away!?
@@jayh2986 sort of
@@jayh2986 Well, clearly not anymore.
@@amartyaroy3754 Kind of the reverse. He murdered her & hid her body Monday night, having nothing to do with 9/11. Then, when the towers fell the next morning, he used that to cover up the murder by tossing her arm & purse into the tower wreckage.
This guy later played Scott Templeton on The Wire. Excellent at playing a weasel.
Perhaps “rule of thumb” was a poor choice of words.
imagine being in software and using the password "booba"
it's all in my notebook
I happened to be watching this on September 11, 2021 and the day in question in court is 9/11 🥴
You liar
back in the day he was a creep on a date with Olivia and in the wire he was a worm
Does anyone ever say please when asking for something or for someone to do something
just 1 mistake it all went off un-favoring him
Anyone watching this on the 20th anniversary? No? Just me?
The arm, whose prints are on the fingers? Certainly that is admissible.
They never took fingerprints from the hand found at Ground Zero. At the time, there was no reason to suspect Kelly had been murdered. By the time they found the body, almost a year later, even if the hand was in cold storage, they wouldn’t have been able to get prints.
Those pesky string variables not working!!
My line that Serena says son of a gun
LOL software engineer - who uses 'boo boo' as the password.
Season 13 was like 2002
Is dat LARRY UR WAITER? 😮😮😂😂