For those who have mechanical points, there's a few tricks to getting them set correctly. 1) You must correctly tension your cam chain FIRST. 2) When you are setting your points, ONLY move the crankshaft in the direction of normal rotation. DO NOT move it back and forth. 3) The timing is touchy and you have to get it spot on the marks. Keep repeating until it's right.
So I finally put the pamco unit on my cl350 it's the exact same one from this video with the electronic advance. At first I timed the LF Mark and the f mark perfectly but the advance would not reach the correct Mark at 3,000 RPMs after reading some of the forums, I saw that pamco Pete said focus more on the advance and don't worry so much about the LF and f timing marks that seemed very weird to me but I did it and now the bike has way more power and accelerates beautifully.
Hey Andy . How do I remove my stubborn nut on my output shaft .? I need to replace my front sprocket but can’t get to it ! Have any tips ? Mine is a Honda 1970 Cb450 k3 .
Excellent video! I would like to add that the electronics box is not ideally placed on your bike. It should not be close to a HT cable and not that close to the engine (heat). I placed mine under the seat.
Back in 68 I had the UK version CB450, the Black Bomber. I bought it for £150 and sold it a year later for £170, those were the days. You mentioned single points and coil, I believe the reason it could not run with a single set of points was due to the 180 degree crank, you would need 2 lobes on the points cam at 90 degrees due to the half speed of the cam v crank for that to work and one of the sparks would have to occur at BDC with a charged cylinder, interesting?. Note that the pick up plate has hall effect transistors placed at 90 degrees, due to the 180 crank. It was an odd bike with the torsion valve springs but it always idled like a bitch, it went like a rocket once over 3k though. Wish I still had it.
G'day mate, thanks for watching. The comment was in reference to parallel twins, like the early Triumphs, that use one set of points with a redundant spark on the exhaust stroke for the opposing cylinder. But the Honda is a 270 degree design, so that could never work.
An incredibly useful and awesome video. There's so many Pamco and cb450 videos of varied to little use out there. I just swapped out my 1971 poins system this July and if I'd had watched your video it would have been just that much easier. Cheers
I had a couple of these bikes I Road raced one of them.on the points you may want go back to the points they work really good.You just have to know how to do it you don’t use a feeler gauge or time and light believe it or not do use a cigarette rolling paper you got to make sure it’s exactly 1000th of an inch thick though what you do is you start with the left side points you put the paper between the two point contacts and you adjust the backing plate until the points just began to open up and you can slide that paper out without tearing it then you go to the right hand side and put the paper in between it and then do the two screws that hold the points and adjust it till the paper slides out of course be sure that you’re on the right hand cylinder with your fire Mark . That’s all you need to do simple and easy ain’t it if you have a stock cam set valves at 2000s don’t forget to synchronize your carburetors
Thank You for this video, they say a picture is worth a thousand words and a well made video is worth a heck of a lot more than that. I am going to be putting one of these Pamco ignitions on my 73 CB 450 and this video is going to be such a great help, again thanks for making it.
Thanks mate, appreciate the feedback. Sorry about missing the timing component but it really is super easy. I have subsequently moved the second cylinder proximity just a Nats nadger as it was ever so slightly retarded.
The points system worked perfectly good from the factory , why shouldn’t it work perfectly now ? ( assuming you can find someone who understands and can set up points . The three cylinder Yamaha’s could be a challenge
The same could be said for CRT screens and dial up, but I’m guessing that’s not how you’re watching this, is it? 😉 You’re correct, they function. But the digital ignition advance is way better and far more accurate than the mechanical bob weights and the system doesn’t creep over time.
good morning andy, After watching your video, I wonder the following ... Does the igniter pamco still work? or how long did it work? I can't see if you removed the capacitor or kept it connected? I thank you in advance for your comments happy New Year
G’day mate, happy new year to you too. I fitted that in 2015 and sold the bike in 2019 and it was still working fine. Once you omit the points you no longer need the condenser/capacitor. Cheers, Andy
+Barry T Thanks Barry, yes I love the old CB. One of my subscribers dropped a link in the discussion page for digital ignition for an XS, here it is www.elektronik-sachse.de/shopsystem/product_info.php?info=p73_digital-ignition-zdg3--yamaha-xs1100-.html
great job, BUT the timing setting is the essential thing that is btw nowhere to find online. THAT was the epic fail. other than that thank you for your video.
Either your front forks are bent or you have a weird camera??? The entire time you were talking I was just staring at the forks. Nice bike by the way:)
G'day mate, I bought it at Supercheap Auto, they're non insulated crimp pliers. Unless you are referring to the ratchet crimp pliers, also bought at SCA. Andy
The best crimpers for small insulated terminals that you would need to use on a bike or car (in AU at least) are "Linesmans pliers". They look like a standard plier, but have a crimping section at the back of the plier section which you can get a really good purchase on. They are usually fitted with yellow insulated handles. The best source is from an electrical wholesaler.
The 360 degree crank version of this bike (the Type II) had single points and coil, early Japanese home market bikes for the police for instance were like this. Export versions were Type I with a 180 crank, like this one and have dual points, condensers and coils. The two types also had different cams. I'm the proud owner of an original CB450SS (or 'Black Bomber') with 180 crank and dual firing, the 360 is very rare with almost no parts availability these days.
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hello sir, I would like to know if this pamco system exists for kz650
For those who have mechanical points, there's a few tricks to getting them set correctly. 1) You must correctly tension your cam chain FIRST. 2) When you are setting your points, ONLY move the crankshaft in the direction of normal rotation. DO NOT move it back and forth. 3) The timing is touchy and you have to get it spot on the marks. Keep repeating until it's right.
So I finally put the pamco unit on my cl350 it's the exact same one from this video with the electronic advance. At first I timed the LF Mark and the f mark perfectly but the advance would not reach the correct Mark at 3,000 RPMs after reading some of the forums, I saw that pamco Pete said focus more on the advance and don't worry so much about the LF and f timing marks that seemed very weird to me but I did it and now the bike has way more power and accelerates beautifully.
Hey Andy . How do I remove my stubborn nut on my output shaft .? I need to replace my front sprocket but can’t get to it !
Have any tips ? Mine is a Honda 1970 Cb450 k3 .
I watched the whole video to see the timing...
Excellent video! I would like to add that the electronics box is not ideally placed on your bike. It should not be close to a HT cable and not that close to the engine (heat). I placed mine under the seat.
where can I buy a Pamco ignition in stock for a CB450 ? thanks. in USA
Back in 68 I had the UK version CB450, the Black Bomber. I bought it for £150 and sold it a year later for £170, those were the days. You mentioned single points and coil, I believe the reason it could not run with a single set of points was due to the 180 degree crank, you would need 2 lobes on the points cam at 90 degrees due to the half speed of the cam v crank for that to work and one of the sparks would have to occur at BDC with a charged cylinder, interesting?. Note that the pick up plate has hall effect transistors placed at 90 degrees, due to the 180 crank. It was an odd bike with the torsion valve springs but it always idled like a bitch, it went like a rocket once over 3k though. Wish I still had it.
G'day mate, thanks for watching. The comment was in reference to parallel twins, like the early Triumphs, that use one set of points with a redundant spark on the exhaust stroke for the opposing cylinder. But the Honda is a 270 degree design, so that could never work.
Electronic ignition is better in every single possible way
so a victorian a queenslander and a west indian cricket umpire walk into a bar in tassy and the barman says... is this a joke
lol
An incredibly useful and awesome video. There's so many Pamco and cb450 videos of varied to little use out there. I just swapped out my 1971 poins system this July and if I'd had watched your video it would have been just that much easier. Cheers
+Doccerz Thanks for the feedback mate :)
Great video. Just starting to rebuild the engine so I'll take your advice. Keep making the videos buddy!
Sweet bike Andy, I love the 70s Hondas and have a CB400/4 on my shopping list for the future. Great video.
+Peter Green Thanks Peter, yes the 400 Four has the coolest exhaust
I had a couple of these bikes I Road raced one of them.on the points you may want go back to the points they work really good.You just have to know how to do it you don’t use a feeler gauge or time and light believe it or not do use a cigarette rolling paper you got to make sure it’s exactly 1000th of an inch thick though what you do is you start with the left side points you put the paper between the two point contacts and you adjust the backing plate until the points just began to open up and you can slide that paper out without tearing it then you go to the right hand side and put the paper in between it and then do the two screws that hold the points and adjust it till the paper slides out of course be sure that you’re on the right hand cylinder with your fire Mark . That’s all you need to do simple and easy ain’t it if you have a stock cam set valves at 2000s don’t forget to synchronize your carburetors
I have a 1980 Honda CM400 and cant locate a conversion kit.What do you suggest?
Messing with this 71 cb450 it fires up and idles a little high and go to rev it and it just spits sputters and back fires. Any help?
Pick-up coil is in the angle position of the crank? or the timing of the F-Mark Crank case of Magnet is given on any side of the pick-up coil magnet ?
Why does it have a cl shifter and cl fork boots? Is it a cb or is it a cl with a cb exhaust?
Thank You for this video, they say a picture is worth a thousand words and a well made video is worth a heck of a lot more than that. I am going to be putting one of these Pamco ignitions on my 73 CB 450 and this video is going to be such a great help, again thanks for making it.
+Albert Kranbuhl Jr Cool, glad I could help. Good luck. Andy
Thanks mate, appreciate the feedback. Sorry about missing the timing component but it really is super easy. I have subsequently moved the second cylinder proximity just a Nats nadger as it was ever so slightly retarded.
The points system worked perfectly good from the factory , why shouldn’t it work perfectly now ? ( assuming you can find someone who understands and can set up points . The three cylinder Yamaha’s could be a challenge
The same could be said for CRT screens and dial up, but I’m guessing that’s not how you’re watching this, is it? 😉 You’re correct, they function. But the digital ignition advance is way better and far more accurate than the mechanical bob weights and the system doesn’t creep over time.
good morning andy,
After watching your video, I wonder the following ...
Does the igniter pamco still work? or how long did it work?
I can't see if you removed the capacitor or kept it connected?
I thank you in advance for your comments
happy New Year
G’day mate, happy new year to you too. I fitted that in 2015 and sold the bike in 2019 and it was still working fine. Once you omit the points you no longer need the condenser/capacitor. Cheers, Andy
Very Nice!Want an electronic ignition for my XS1100. Really love the old Honda.
+Barry T Thanks Barry, yes I love the old CB. One of my subscribers dropped a link in the discussion page for digital ignition for an XS, here it is www.elektronik-sachse.de/shopsystem/product_info.php?info=p73_digital-ignition-zdg3--yamaha-xs1100-.html
+Andy's Motorcycle Obsessions thanks a bunch Andy! Man that will be sweet!
+Barry T Cool
great job, BUT the timing setting is the essential thing that is btw nowhere to find online. THAT was the epic fail. other than that thank you for your video.
Pamco Works with CB 360
I have a CB 360.
Good job.
Very very nice and brief video
I hit the link it dont do nothing
Great clip so helpful and inspiring along with my old cb i have a 85 Renault 4 van with points guess what my next job is thanks again .
+Jim Aylward G'day Jim, thanks for the feed back. She is still going strong.
I always loved the old 450 black bomber
What brand Andy
Either your front forks are bent or you have a weird camera??? The entire time you were talking I was just staring at the forks. Nice bike by the way:)
Filmed with a GoPro, fish eye
@@ANDY5 I see, said the blind man.
Sorry I see pamco
Nice video Andy, which crimper is that? Do you have the code?
Thanks mate!
G'day mate, I bought it at Supercheap Auto, they're non insulated crimp pliers. Unless you are referring to the ratchet crimp pliers, also bought at SCA. Andy
The best crimpers for small insulated terminals that you would need to use on a bike or car (in AU at least) are "Linesmans pliers". They look like a standard plier, but have a crimping section at the back of the plier section which you can get a really good purchase on. They are usually fitted with yellow insulated handles. The best source is from an electrical wholesaler.
360° crank has to have dual points
The 360 degree crank version of this bike (the Type II) had single points and coil, early Japanese home market bikes for the police for instance were like this. Export versions were Type I with a 180 crank, like this one and have dual points, condensers and coils. The two types also had different cams. I'm the proud owner of an original CB450SS (or 'Black Bomber') with 180 crank and dual firing, the 360 is very rare with almost no parts availability these days.