Seems like a brilliant machine though. Still wish HP would implement a fan curve in the BIOS rather than their command centre which breaks every major windows update.
I work part time at a Best Buy as an hp brand rep and can say with certainty that all HP’s are very likely purposely priced with the intent to go on sale. At this point, I consider their sale price as their real price because that’s when they have real value over competitors. Mainly sucks because I’m a value shopper and that’s also how I sell to people as most people coming in are college students. This laptop is a solid recommendation, but as mentioned in the video, hp laptops have wayyy better pricing on their website vs bestbuy. Too bad Best Buy doesn’t price match with manufacturers.
I picked this up from Best Buy when it was $400 off. For that price it's worth it, but I'm taking it back. I'm having bluetooth issues (it regularly just disconnects from my mouse and I have to toggle on/off bluetooth on the laptop to get it working again). There's also a weird bug with presence sense that turns the screen off and then it won't turn on again until you close and open the lid. Lastly, I often open it and the display is upside down. I have to flip the laptop around a few times to get it to reorient itself. I also noticed that, despite being on 120hz, scrolling web pages on Edge seems to drop frames. It's definitely janky compared to my 60hz Macbook Air, which should not be the case. The battery life has been excellent and it's really nice hardware, but I think Windows has just become a joke and it kind of ruins the experience. I really wanted to love this laptop, but I think Windows has just jumped the shark the last few years.
I have a Meteor Lake Spectre x360 14”. I also have Bluetooth issues, but only for audio. I don’t have the other issues you mentioned. I noticed HP pushes out a new firmware every month or two and they have been helpful.
Something you didn't test is stability. In games, the game might run great for a minute, then it will tank frame rates to keep quiet. This, is not good behavior, and makes it a deal breaker for many users
Since these have integrated graphics it should be the same result as torture test on sustained cinebench on 10:14, remember cinebench load is far heavier for the cpu than games, atlteast on modern cpu,
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 cinebench is basically ONLY cpu. CB + Heaven at the same time simulate gaming pretty well (with free benchmarks) and any heat/power throttling will show then.
I suggest comparing the MacBook with the base M3 MB Pro 14, which has a similar MRP. Both are 14 inches, and the MacBook offers superior specifications compared to the Air, making it a fair comparison. The MacBook is heavily discounted due to the upcoming M4s. However, comparing the MacBook with the M4s would be unfair, as they significantly outperform the Omnibook in performance. It would be better to wait for Arrow Lake to make a comparison, although I doubt the M4 Pro or Max will be concerned. If you’re neutral to your operating system, the M3 MB Pro 14 is undoubtedly the best ultrabook in this premium pricing range. If you intend to be competitive in gaming, an ultrabook is not the right choice, so that consideration is moot. The MacBook remains the preferred option as long as your software is available. The only caveat is that if you need the flip part, then you would not even be comparing this with 95% of laptops out there; you would choose one of the 5% flip/360 PC choices.
I honestly think the Zenbook s14 is the better laptop. Slightly brighter screen, include a USB A, better battery life, and better trackpad imo since it doesn't suffer from palm rejection issues. And being an Asus, you'll find it for half the price on ebay soon. The HP is better built but Asus have improved lately on that regard
I'd love to get the S14, but ASUS have a bad habit of not using anti-reflective glass & the reflections make their laptops a no go for me sadly. In pretty much every other way their laptops are amazing & great value for money, but it only takes one dealbreaker to ruin it. I've used the 2022 S13 since release & still love it, but the display reflections make me want to replace it.
@@chrism1051 I don't know about this HP laptop, never seen one in the flesh, but the last 4 ish years of HP Spectre laptops have amazing anti-reflective glossy OLED displays. My spare laptop is an older 2020 Spectre AW series & it has one of the best displays i've ever seen on a laptop. I just wish ASUS could adopt similar displays & i'd never look anywhere else.
Idk the s14 hasn't gone on any significant sales, new or used, yet, and it's been out for longer than the flip. The flip can be found for less than half of MSRP open box excellent at best buy already
Between the HP OmniBook Ultra Flip 14, Lenovo Yoga Slim 7i Aura Edition, Asus ZenBook S 14 LunarLake, and Dell XPS 13 9350 LunarLake, which one is the quietest and the most premium? Silence and premium quality are very important to me. Thank you.
It would be really nice if you could mention if the speakers are easily blocked when the laptop on your lap or on a bed or something. Sometimes I'll hear that the speakers are good, but it doesn't matter if they are being easily blocked.
This laptop used to have a 288v option (last week). I don't see that option available on HP's website anymore. Do you know if they plan on bringing that processor back to this laptop?
Thank you for the review! I was wondering if you’ve noticed high idle power draw on your unit while you had (have?) it? I got one and love it, but i’ve found that the battery drains ~38% overnight while on and idling with the display off, and drains a lot more than i’d expect during light usage. Have you seen anything similar? It’s made it almost impossible to get numbers that look like the ones in your review, but I am hoping it must be my unit specifically.
I just bought this and im liking what i see right now. I just use MS products and do use laptops in tablet mode. I also use this for media consumption. This is perfect for me but i agree that this wouldnt be the case if i actually used this laptop for heavy tasks but i just dont. When/if the time comes where i need a beast of a laptop, im keeping an eye out for the g16 2025 version.
Hello, how is the build quality of this computer? Is the fan noise low? When you open many tabs on TH-cam, can the fan be heard? Is there anything you haven't liked so far?
@emineaslan1339 build quality is great, it's sturdy. I have been using a spectre since 2018 and thats still in good condition too. I opened lots of tabs in youtube and didn't hear any fans, and all vidoes were playing at the same time. I've never heard the fans on this laptop but please note that I've not had the chance to really use it with some demanding apps open. I love it. For cons, I think build quality is excellent but there is a small thing i don't like, at the very bottom and the very top of the screen, where it is black (not part of the screen) and where it meets the bezel of the screen, the relection is not perfectly straight. The screens reflection is perfectly straight, it's only where the screen then meets the bezel where the reflection is not perfectly uniform. The speakers are downfiring. While they are good and fairly loud, I just perfer upwards firing speakers as the sound can never sound muffled. And finally, I dont like how premium it feels. My lenovo work laptop is made out of some wierd but amazing hard material and you can throw it around. This laptop feels too precious to throw around in fear that you'll scratch the paintwork. I got the blue version and it's a stunning looking laptop. One more thing, keypad travel surprised me at 1mm. But it's not an issue for me. I type perfectly on it. For others it can be an issue.
I’m curious what your thoughts are about ultrabook gaming and cloud gaming. For me personally, modern iGPUs have gotten good enough that they can handle my simple video editing and local esport gaming just fine. And then I push AAA gaming to the cloud where latency is less of an issue compared to esport gaming. Overall, for me, I feel like a dGPU in my laptop isnt necessary anymore.
How does the Intel 256V version of this laptop compare against the 258V? It looks like the model you were testing in the video is the 258V 32GB version, but the one linked on your website is the 256V 16GB version.
JOSH I love your videos though I am an amateur. I want your advice. I want to buy a laptop to do podcasting, and zoom calls. I heard there are some laptops that adjust the sound and picture automatically, to account for some variations. I am considering the HP Omnibook ultra flip. Do you recommend this for my use or something else. I can get it on sale now? Please advise. Robert Hargrove
Thanks again Josh & Team! Quick question: if you had to choose one *that is not a Macbook* for light-medium programming on the lap / go, which would you get today or at the end of the month?
Favorite to least favorite for light to medium programming: Yoga 7i Aura Edition, ProArt P16 (Zen 5 4K display), Yoga Pro 9i, Asus G16 (Zen 5), Zenbook S 14 (Lunar Lake). Please use the links on the site to support the channel.
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Surely this overstates "simple" tasks. These laptops are way beyond those of years ago that tackled plenty of video and coding jobs. In other words, even the slower ones beat the performance portables of a few years ago
Nice review Josh, as for sound, the Mac pro is over bass, they're using beats profile, which is not more natural, I'd like to see both of these, (and all sound comparisons) equalized to each preference, the beats sound from all Apple needs bass reduced, bass usually needs to be added to PC, or mid/high reduced I'd consider the flip if they offered zen5 on it. BTW, I have the air, I have a pc with "slower single core", no, nothing feels "more snappy" because of single core speed, I just don't get this "single core feels more snappy" stuff, multi core is where speed differences are noticed for workloads for me and those in my orbit. I think the entire "single core speed is better than multi core betterance" is simply Apple marketing against competition, just like "a touch screen makes your arm feel like it's falling off"
Hey Josh, you haven't really talked about standby time regarding the new Lunar Lakes and AMD strix point cpu's so are they comparable to the snapdragon ones?
This has to be tested. We have started testing it. It takes a huge amount time btw. Unfortunately we got hit with alot of new videos so had to put it on hold
@JustJoshTech no worries mate you post reliable quality content on par with some of the Taiwanese/Chinese TH-cam channels I've been watching such as Geekerwan Edit: I'm an international student currently studying in Melbourne, would appreciate it if you could sell me any of those lunar lake laptops at a low price if you're willing too
Hello, how is the build quality of this computer? Is the fan noise low? When you open many tabs on TH-cam, can the fan be heard? Is there anything you haven't liked so far?"
Thumbs up for Linux tests. I use Fedora in a double boot on one SSD (14" HP Probook 445 G8). I'd prefer to have 2 SSDs on 14-inch laptops because there are some caveats having Windows and Linux on one SSD. Unfortunately almost all reasonably priced 14" laptops just have one M2 slot.
This is indeed a very nice laptop for most people, those who don't do high performance tasks. I picked it up on Sunday on sale for $1,199 and been messing around with it. It just works and works really well. My only gripe is that I often find myself pressing the brightness up button hoping there is just one more click up available. The brightness is not bad, just not ideal for my liking. IMHO, it's not worth its msrp but a solid buy at $400 off. I am curious if they will release this in a 16" version.
Great review as usual! 😊 A small comment: would it be possible to expand the Procyon benchmark to include more realistic tasks like productivity apps and web browsing in addition to video playback? Additionally, for a realistic test setting the playback resolution to at least 1080p and have the screen brightness at either adaptive or max brightness? The current test scenario seems unrealistic unless I’m missing something. Thanks!
These reviewers will glaze every single new laptop that comes out. It's their whole business model. I've noticed that independent reviews on Reddit or such are often much more honest.
@@ClipFlicky Absolutely all tests on the Internet are biased because they give the affiliate link and get a commission on the sale. Having said that, the Zenbook S14 is close to perfection (weight, thinness, battery, power), with the only major flaw being a glossy panel, and the XPS13 is very close, but here its flaw is a slightly smaller battery (75W would have been perfect). I'm only talking about 258V models.
I tried this one out for a couple of days - its definitely a nice laptop. But the speakers only sound good when on a desk - if its on your lap the sound just winds up being muddy and awful (downward firing speakers, ugh). Also, I kept running into a bug where the entire screen would freeze randomly. I sent it back and I'm just gonna try a MacBook Air for a while.
Hello, sorry for commenting so late. I really love and appreciate your videos. I have a M3 Mac air and I’m currently using it for school beginning college, but I just find a few things I don’t like about it. It’s hard to combined tabs like a Windows PC and I honestly do miss touchscreen, and the fact you can’t copy multiple things at once, other than that it’s pretty great. I just wanted to know your ideas
I am looking for a 2 in 1 and i can't chose between this, the spectre and yoga 9i 2 in 1. I'd really like to see an Asus competitor though, I don't wanna deal with HP problems and it's unreliability, Hope Asus builds an Zenbook 14 flip.
HP sales support confirmed the lack of haptic touchpad on the customizable models from HP's website. Per HP you can't buy the 258v with a haptic touchpad right now. I take it from the review it will eventually be available.
I checked with HP sales as well and they told it’s probably a typo. Both the customisable one and ready to ship one (256v) have indeed the same trackpads which is haptic. Also, HP Australia’s website shows it to be haptic for all variants.
@ Yeah they probably reiterated the same thing to you what was shown on the product page. It doesn’t make sense otherwise. For instance, customisable one product page doesn’t also list the accelerometer and gyro sensors which 256v does, but of course customisable one should have it since it’s a 2in1. So, all the variants have the same everything and only the chipset is going to vary!
I've seen a review by a redditor who had to return his because of OS\driver issues (BT failing when sleeping, sw unstable). Perhaps it has been resolved by now, but I'm wary.
There is no point of testing Linux on HP laptops, my experience has been pretty bad, even with extremely mainstream Distros like Ubuntu(the trackpad didn't work at all). The support is pretty terrible.
I just got this, this is my 3rd hp laptops and i have a omen pc. The envy 16 is premium build quality, but this is so light. The other hp is a pavilion aero, which i sold to a friend it doesn't have this build quality.
Hello, how is the build quality of this computer? Is the fan noise low? When you open many tabs on TH-cam, can the fan be heard? Is there anything you haven't liked so far?"
you did not compare it with the elephant in the room - the Yoga 7i Aura edition (which you recommended as the must buy laptop of 2024). what is your personal recommendation between the two ?
As soon as you said OLED I stopped watching the video. Manufacturers must STOP USING OLED panels. I want a laptop to read and edit documents oled are a big no for me
Hi Bro you know better. Igot a questio: reading pdf's is more easy in ips panels or oled ones In the end which one is better And i want to purchase one of these: hp spectre14oled or srface pro series which one suit better for me as a student
Same here. I love IPS panels for doing office work. OLED causes eye strain and headaches. They are great for gaming and media streaming, but I must have an IPS for work. Currently, we use 80% MB Pro 14 and 20% Surface Laptop 7. Both have great non-OLED panels.
I had the HP with an IPS Display and SD CPU and now switched to the Flip 14 with OLED and its just way better. While the IPS on the SD wasnt bad, its just far off from OLED. Only if my usecase was purely office, I´d take the IPS; for allround use, the OLED is amazing.
@@andyH_England I'm sure IPS is fine for people with particular eye sensitivities, but in general IPS displays are incomparable to OLED displays. I've been using OLED only laptops for the last 4 years & could never go back. Too big a compromise in display quality to ever use IPS again.
@hai.do. $1600 when not on sale. And the PX13 has a dGPU, more ports, a better screen apart from refresh rate, and a better keyboard. Really, the battery life isn't terrible, but the dGPU and higher resolution screen didn't help.
i got this laptop. After 1 week touchpad stopped working. i had also problems with wifi and bluetooth, random disconnected. Got it back and got a new one. And that one had problems with screen. It just got black after some use. Leave that one back too and took Lenovo slim instead. Happy for now.
Lenovo is pretty solid strictly in terms of hardware but it is a Chinese company with the CCP holding nearly 1/3 of its shares. I have switched to Asus (Taiwanese owned) for that reason.
Please elaborate. We have switched from a 4 hour battery video drain test yo a full run down at the viewers request. We are investigating a single high-performance task completion on battery to replace our 30 minute Cinebench run. In fact, even adding a performance test while on battery is quite new. We are constantly improving.
@@JustJoshTech Video playback will always favor OLED screen. Doing a web browsing test better aligns with what people actually do with their thin and light laptops. And there OLED don't last as long
I got an apple macbookpro m3 pro and only 2 months later apple released their m4 series and they sell their new product for the same if not less money I bought mine and this made things clear for me that I will not only buy any other product from apple but intervene my friends and family when they attempt to do such a stupid thing if you have respect for yourself don't buy an apple product you can cry about how your laptop sucks and get over it if you pay it half the price apple sells similar performance products I will be working my butt off to earn money to buy a powerful windows laptop and gift this one to my sister Don't do the same mistake I did Even if you have soo much money that you don't mind spending it on trash you can buy a laptop with 4080 and do whatever it is you wanna do and if you are worried about battery you can buy 2 of them and you would still be paying less hell you can even pay a butler to carry spare batteries for your 4080 with the remaining money (if the butler is an illegal immigrant that is)
Miss the old justjosh, now it's just paid by (insert company name) sponsored videos. Also where's the Thinkpad review that is mentioned in best laptops of all time?
I actually agree, assuming you are referring to me being tougher. I think this video should have started.... There are 2 laptops here. a fantastic one, which is the one that you buy on sale for $1,200. And then there is a mediocre one, which is the laptop at its MSRP. We are not paid by companies to make sponsored videos. That part of your comment was unnecessary and there is no truth to. Sponsored videos are a) marked as such, and b) since around May onwards we have been rejection sponsorsed laptop reviews. I don't believe these allow us to be unbiased
Is this an ad? I’ve always liked your videos, but this feels like a joke. Calling it a premium laptop when it lacks a hinge, needs two hands to open, weighs 1337g, is thicker than a Lenovo, It’s massive compared to the best 14” models, and the screen has one of the lowest DPI and brightness levels. No wonder you skipped some comparisons. 2-in-1 laptops are in a category of their own; they can’t match regular laptops and always sacrifice chassis strength, weight, screen quality, and battery life... The Zenbook S14 does everything better.
@@Johnny91832 That's the problem with Windows laptops, no manufacturer can tick off everything, unfortunately and objectively weight, thinness, screen, autonomy and power are more important points than the trackpad and speakers, here the zenbook (even the 8840hs) is easily the best macbook air to be found under Windows. Its main drawback is its glossy slab, but an aliexpress filter costs less than $5. The Dell xps13 is excellent too, but the battery should have been 75W. I'm talking about the 258V models for both. Out of curiosity, if you put the keyboard and trackpad first, which do you think is the best laptop on the market?
You've watched too many tech review videos. You don't know what you're talking about. First of all, I have no idea what "it lacks a hinge" even means. It opens and closes, thus it has a hinge. It takes two hands to open because it's a 2-in-1. You want the hinge to be a little stiffer. I've seen this thing in person. It is extremely thin and light. If it's thicker than "a Lenovo" I didn't have a caliper on hand to confirm that, but it certainly didn't feel thick in the slightest. Not sure what "massive" means. Heavy? Felt pretty light in person. Again, maybe it's heavier if you put it and a zenbook s14 on a scale to measure, but in reality, it felt perfectly fine to me. Screen could be a little brighter, that's true. DPI? It's a 2.8k 14 in screen, just like most of the other "premium" competitors out there. Zenbook s14 has the exact same resolution at the exact same screen size. The zenbook s14 is basically lighter and has better battery life, and that's it. It does not feel more premium. I felt it in person; it feels almost like a toy. It has been overhyped beyond belief by tech reviewers. It's about the same price as the ultra flip brand new, but the flip is already going on massive sales that make it a significantly better deal than the s14. The s14 hasn't been more than $100 or so off yet.
$1,600 laptop with 4 real cores, 16 gb of ram and integrated graphics? 🤡 I have seen a worse advice, I hope you have the decency of delete this blasphemy
@@Games_and_Tech Good luck finding a different 2in1 laptop around 1.200 with a dedicated GPU. I agree with the 16gb RAM, I would only buy it with 32. E Cores arent a bad thing, they are getting closer and closer to the P Cores. Its not a good laptop for heavy multicore usage. Rather for content creation, lighter gaming and just portability.
This laptop is a disappointment. I regret very much to have bought it. As a product to replace Spectre, it doesn’t live up to the expectation. Its overall performance is appalling when compared with Spectre, but at the more or less the same price range. My advice is, don’t buy it !!
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Why is everyone in these comments so mad? If you’d prefer an Asus laptop get the Asus, doesn’t mean it’s better lmao.
Seems like a brilliant machine though.
Still wish HP would implement a fan curve in the BIOS rather than their command centre which breaks every major windows update.
had this problem in Spectre. Fans where on when idle and was quietly overheating when performance was needed ... anti-brilliant
Can this panel switch to 60Hz instead of 48Hz?
I work part time at a Best Buy as an hp brand rep and can say with certainty that all HP’s are very likely purposely priced with the intent to go on sale. At this point, I consider their sale price as their real price because that’s when they have real value over competitors.
Mainly sucks because I’m a value shopper and that’s also how I sell to people as most people coming in are college students.
This laptop is a solid recommendation, but as mentioned in the video, hp laptops have wayyy better pricing on their website vs bestbuy. Too bad Best Buy doesn’t price match with manufacturers.
I picked this up from Best Buy when it was $400 off. For that price it's worth it, but I'm taking it back. I'm having bluetooth issues (it regularly just disconnects from my mouse and I have to toggle on/off bluetooth on the laptop to get it working again). There's also a weird bug with presence sense that turns the screen off and then it won't turn on again until you close and open the lid. Lastly, I often open it and the display is upside down. I have to flip the laptop around a few times to get it to reorient itself. I also noticed that, despite being on 120hz, scrolling web pages on Edge seems to drop frames. It's definitely janky compared to my 60hz Macbook Air, which should not be the case.
The battery life has been excellent and it's really nice hardware, but I think Windows has just become a joke and it kind of ruins the experience. I really wanted to love this laptop, but I think Windows has just jumped the shark the last few years.
Hey there, have you tried running linux on it to see how it performs? Does it have the same problems on linux aswell?
Seems a HP issue no?
@@iz723 The bluetooth and orientation issues might be HP (drivers), but the rest of the issues are all Windows.
@@STORMFIRE07 Linux isn't really an option. I specifically needed a PC to run certain apps, so keeping this just to run Linux wasn't really an option.
I have a Meteor Lake Spectre x360 14”. I also have Bluetooth issues, but only for audio. I don’t have the other issues you mentioned. I noticed HP pushes out a new firmware every month or two and they have been helpful.
Something you didn't test is stability. In games, the game might run great for a minute, then it will tank frame rates to keep quiet. This, is not good behavior, and makes it a deal breaker for many users
Since these have integrated graphics it should be the same result as torture test on sustained cinebench on 10:14, remember cinebench load is far heavier for the cpu than games, atlteast on modern cpu,
@@mrbobgamingmemes9558 cinebench is basically ONLY cpu. CB + Heaven at the same time simulate gaming pretty well (with free benchmarks) and any heat/power throttling will show then.
I suggest comparing the MacBook with the base M3 MB Pro 14, which has a similar MRP. Both are 14 inches, and the MacBook offers superior specifications compared to the Air, making it a fair comparison. The MacBook is heavily discounted due to the upcoming M4s. However, comparing the MacBook with the M4s would be unfair, as they significantly outperform the Omnibook in performance. It would be better to wait for Arrow Lake to make a comparison, although I doubt the M4 Pro or Max will be concerned.
If you’re neutral to your operating system, the M3 MB Pro 14 is undoubtedly the best ultrabook in this premium pricing range. If you intend to be competitive in gaming, an ultrabook is not the right choice, so that consideration is moot. The MacBook remains the preferred option as long as your software is available. The only caveat is that if you need the flip part, then you would not even be comparing this with 95% of laptops out there; you would choose one of the 5% flip/360 PC choices.
I honestly think the Zenbook s14 is the better laptop. Slightly brighter screen, include a USB A, better battery life, and better trackpad imo since it doesn't suffer from palm rejection issues. And being an Asus, you'll find it for half the price on ebay soon. The HP is better built but Asus have improved lately on that regard
I'd love to get the S14, but ASUS have a bad habit of not using anti-reflective glass & the reflections make their laptops a no go for me sadly. In pretty much every other way their laptops are amazing & great value for money, but it only takes one dealbreaker to ruin it. I've used the 2022 S13 since release & still love it, but the display reflections make me want to replace it.
@Lee.S321 isn't this HP as reflective as the one on S14? Seems only Samsung and MSI have antireflective coating on their OLEDs
@@chrism1051 I don't know about this HP laptop, never seen one in the flesh, but the last 4 ish years of HP Spectre laptops have amazing anti-reflective glossy OLED displays. My spare laptop is an older 2020 Spectre AW series & it has one of the best displays i've ever seen on a laptop. I just wish ASUS could adopt similar displays & i'd never look anywhere else.
I agree on most points except for USB-A, I honestly have never used that port for the last couple years
Idk the s14 hasn't gone on any significant sales, new or used, yet, and it's been out for longer than the flip. The flip can be found for less than half of MSRP open box excellent at best buy already
Hey, just so you know there’s a typo on your website for the review of this laptop.
Between the HP OmniBook Ultra Flip 14, Lenovo Yoga Slim 7i Aura Edition, Asus ZenBook S 14 LunarLake, and Dell XPS 13 9350 LunarLake, which one is the quietest and the most premium? Silence and premium quality are very important to me. Thank you.
Should I buy the spectre or the ultra flip? I’m a student and I can’t decide which one is better.
Spectre cause it the premium one. Omnibook is a recent release
0:17 At first I thought the way you click your mouse while playing league looks weird... until I noticed I also do that all the time XD
Would you recommend this over the lenovo slim 7i aura edition?
Lol, you never pick HP vs Lenovo. Lenovo is superior
Would be nice to include an Ultra 9 laptop for reference in your benchmarks.
I thought the tent mode ⛺ was for drawing? Lol so what's the relevance of the hinge stiffness? 🤔
It would be really nice if you could mention if the speakers are easily blocked when the laptop on your lap or on a bed or something. Sometimes I'll hear that the speakers are good, but it doesn't matter if they are being easily blocked.
I'm going to add that for testing
Can't wait for the 16 inch version of this, I need the extra screen size for editing
This laptop used to have a 288v option (last week). I don't see that option available on HP's website anymore. Do you know if they plan on bringing that processor back to this laptop?
They won't tell.
7:54 Josh looks like he joined the casts of the Simpsons! 😂
I’m really looking forward to your review (and comparison) of the M4 MacBook !! 😊 I won’t buy until I hear your analysis!
I am still waiting for MBs to make a touch screen laptop with pen support😂🤣😂
The Ultra Flip looks great, although it's fairly pricey in the UK which is a pity. Be interesting to see if it's discounted in the upcoming sales.
Thank you for the review! I was wondering if you’ve noticed high idle power draw on your unit while you had (have?) it? I got one and love it, but i’ve found that the battery drains ~38% overnight while on and idling with the display off, and drains a lot more than i’d expect during light usage. Have you seen anything similar? It’s made it almost impossible to get numbers that look like the ones in your review, but I am hoping it must be my unit specifically.
Always had terrible experience with HP.
Thanks Josh!
I just bought this and im liking what i see right now. I just use MS products and do use laptops in tablet mode. I also use this for media consumption.
This is perfect for me but i agree that this wouldnt be the case if i actually used this laptop for heavy tasks but i just dont. When/if the time comes where i need a beast of a laptop, im keeping an eye out for the g16 2025 version.
Hello, how is the build quality of this computer? Is the fan noise low? When you open many tabs on TH-cam, can the fan be heard? Is there anything you haven't liked so far?
@emineaslan1339 build quality is great, it's sturdy. I have been using a spectre since 2018 and thats still in good condition too.
I opened lots of tabs in youtube and didn't hear any fans, and all vidoes were playing at the same time. I've never heard the fans on this laptop but please note that I've not had the chance to really use it with some demanding apps open.
I love it.
For cons, I think build quality is excellent but there is a small thing i don't like, at the very bottom and the very top of the screen, where it is black (not part of the screen) and where it meets the bezel of the screen, the relection is not perfectly straight. The screens reflection is perfectly straight, it's only where the screen then meets the bezel where the reflection is not perfectly uniform.
The speakers are downfiring. While they are good and fairly loud, I just perfer upwards firing speakers as the sound can never sound muffled. And finally, I dont like how premium it feels. My lenovo work laptop is made out of some wierd but amazing hard material and you can throw it around. This laptop feels too precious to throw around in fear that you'll scratch the paintwork.
I got the blue version and it's a stunning looking laptop.
One more thing, keypad travel surprised me at 1mm. But it's not an issue for me. I type perfectly on it. For others it can be an issue.
I’m curious what your thoughts are about ultrabook gaming and cloud gaming. For me personally, modern iGPUs have gotten good enough that they can handle my simple video editing and local esport gaming just fine. And then I push AAA gaming to the cloud where latency is less of an issue compared to esport gaming. Overall, for me, I feel like a dGPU in my laptop isnt necessary anymore.
Love TheTechChap cameo
How does the Intel 256V version of this laptop compare against the 258V? It looks like the model you were testing in the video is the 258V 32GB version, but the one linked on your website is the 256V 16GB version.
JOSH I love your videos though I am an amateur. I want your advice. I want to buy a laptop to do podcasting, and zoom calls. I heard there are some laptops that adjust the sound and picture automatically, to account for some variations. I am considering the HP Omnibook ultra flip. Do you recommend this for my use or something else. I can get it on sale now? Please advise. Robert Hargrove
Thanks again Josh & Team! Quick question: if you had to choose one *that is not a Macbook* for light-medium programming on the lap / go, which would you get today or at the end of the month?
Favorite to least favorite for light to medium programming: Yoga 7i Aura Edition, ProArt P16 (Zen 5 4K display), Yoga Pro 9i, Asus G16 (Zen 5), Zenbook S 14 (Lunar Lake). Please use the links on the site to support the channel.
@@JustJoshTech Thanks guys! Do you happen to have links for EU as well? At least for Amazon that works based on country? I haven't purchased anything yet, I love the work you guys do and so far I try using the 'thanks' function on YT to show my appreciation! It is very appreciated!
This laptop starts at 1,700 pounds in the UK, a little bit over a month after it's release. Ridiculous price,
Surely this overstates "simple" tasks. These laptops are way beyond those of years ago that tackled plenty of video and coding jobs. In other words, even the slower ones beat the performance portables of a few years ago
Nice review Josh, as for sound, the Mac pro is over bass, they're using beats profile, which is not more natural, I'd like to see both of these, (and all sound comparisons) equalized to each preference, the beats sound from all Apple needs bass reduced, bass usually needs to be added to PC, or mid/high reduced
I'd consider the flip if they offered zen5 on it.
BTW, I have the air, I have a pc with "slower single core", no, nothing feels "more snappy" because of single core speed, I just don't get this "single core feels more snappy" stuff, multi core is where speed differences are noticed for workloads for me and those in my orbit.
I think the entire "single core speed is better than multi core betterance" is simply Apple marketing against competition, just like "a touch screen makes your arm feel like it's falling off"
I have Acer Swift model from 3 years ago and I'm very happy
Hey Josh, you haven't really talked about standby time regarding the new Lunar Lakes and AMD strix point cpu's so are they comparable to the snapdragon ones?
This has to be tested. We have started testing it. It takes a huge amount time btw. Unfortunately we got hit with alot of new videos so had to put it on hold
@JustJoshTech no worries mate you post reliable quality content on par with some of the Taiwanese/Chinese TH-cam channels I've been watching such as Geekerwan
Edit: I'm an international student currently studying in Melbourne, would appreciate it if you could sell me any of those lunar lake laptops at a low price if you're willing too
Just bought it for $1,044.99. Thank you for recommending
Where did you buy this hp laptop from ?
@ directly from HP’s website on Cyber Monday
Hello, how is the build quality of this computer? Is the fan noise low? When you open many tabs on TH-cam, can the fan be heard? Is there anything you haven't liked so far?"
Thumbs up for Linux tests. I use Fedora in a double boot on one SSD (14" HP Probook 445 G8). I'd prefer to have 2 SSDs on 14-inch laptops because there are some caveats having Windows and Linux on one SSD. Unfortunately almost all reasonably priced 14" laptops just have one M2 slot.
This is indeed a very nice laptop for most people, those who don't do high performance tasks. I picked it up on Sunday on sale for $1,199 and been messing around with it. It just works and works really well. My only gripe is that I often find myself pressing the brightness up button hoping there is just one more click up available. The brightness is not bad, just not ideal for my liking. IMHO, it's not worth its msrp but a solid buy at $400 off. I am curious if they will release this in a 16" version.
No USB-A port is a killer. I use logitech mice and keyboards with their Unifying receiver, which is only USB-A.
Great review as usual! 😊 A small comment: would it be possible to expand the Procyon benchmark to include more realistic tasks like productivity apps and web browsing in addition to video playback? Additionally, for a realistic test setting the playback resolution to at least 1080p and have the screen brightness at either adaptive or max brightness? The current test scenario seems unrealistic unless I’m missing something. Thanks!
My to-go laptop reviewer. Respects my time and tells me if I can run Linux ❤.
only issue is no 64gb option. If they gave that, this was plenty of laptop for all cases.
Would this laptop be good for someone who opens up like 100 tabs at once?
I have run Cinebench for Zenbook S 14 U7-258V, but the results were quite much lower: SC- 97, MC - 531pts. Why? Anyone?
Zenbook S14 doesn't feel premium? Premium feel was an outstanding feature in you review of S14.
The Zenbook S14 is better than every other windows laptop, maybe the xps 13 can compete but not this HP 15 all
These reviewers will glaze every single new laptop that comes out. It's their whole business model. I've noticed that independent reviews on Reddit or such are often much more honest.
@@ClipFlicky Sadly, Reddit is a cesspool of problems and trolls.
@@Uomodargilla the XPS 13 is FAR from a good laptop.
@@ClipFlicky Absolutely all tests on the Internet are biased because they give the affiliate link and get a commission on the sale.
Having said that, the Zenbook S14 is close to perfection (weight, thinness, battery, power), with the only major flaw being a glossy panel, and the XPS13 is very close, but here its flaw is a slightly smaller battery (75W would have been perfect). I'm only talking about 258V models.
How would you rate this compared to the Lenovo slim 7i?
Here's another case of "look how they massacred my boy".
I tried this one out for a couple of days - its definitely a nice laptop. But the speakers only sound good when on a desk - if its on your lap the sound just winds up being muddy and awful (downward firing speakers, ugh). Also, I kept running into a bug where the entire screen would freeze randomly. I sent it back and I'm just gonna try a MacBook Air for a while.
Thanks for your great videos. Will you be reviewing the Lenovo yoga pro 7 with the new AMD Zen 5 chip?
Would you recommend this over asus zenbook s14?
Very excited for first impressions m4 macbook video
Hello, sorry for commenting so late. I really love and appreciate your videos. I have a M3 Mac air and I’m currently using it for school beginning college, but I just find a few things I don’t like about it. It’s hard to combined tabs like a Windows PC and I honestly do miss touchscreen, and the fact you can’t copy multiple things at once, other than that it’s pretty great. I just wanted to know your ideas
I am looking for a 2 in 1 and i can't chose between this, the spectre and yoga 9i 2 in 1. I'd really like to see an Asus competitor though, I don't wanna deal with HP problems and it's unreliability, Hope Asus builds an Zenbook 14 flip.
Phew, made it here early.
Too early
This, the S14 and the MSI are on my my list at the moment.
Acer can go elsewhere with their AI logos.
The customizable version does not have haptic touch pad and has a different display. Please check carefully.
HP sales support confirmed the lack of haptic touchpad on the customizable models from HP's website. Per HP you can't buy the 258v with a haptic touchpad right now. I take it from the review it will eventually be available.
I checked with HP sales as well and they told it’s probably a typo. Both the customisable one and ready to ship one (256v) have indeed the same trackpads which is haptic. Also, HP Australia’s website shows it to be haptic for all variants.
@@soumyamahapatra5706 Oh really? I was told customizable version does not come with haptic touch pad
What is the difference in the display?
@ Yeah they probably reiterated the same thing to you what was shown on the product page. It doesn’t make sense otherwise. For instance, customisable one product page doesn’t also list the accelerometer and gyro sensors which 256v does, but of course customisable one should have it since it’s a 2in1. So, all the variants have the same everything and only the chipset is going to vary!
will 1920x1200 significantly improve the battery?
Yes it will
2000 Euros (2150 dollars) in Germany.
Where can you find out what apps are not compatible with snapdragon?
It is difficult without someone actually tried it, cuz it is mixed bag
I've seen a review by a redditor who had to return his because of OS\driver issues (BT failing when sleeping, sw unstable). Perhaps it has been resolved by now, but I'm wary.
It looks like a solid buy, well done HP
There is no point of testing Linux on HP laptops, my experience has been pretty bad, even with extremely mainstream Distros like Ubuntu(the trackpad didn't work at all). The support is pretty terrible.
Bring back the USB A and ditch the ugly top row color!
I just got this, this is my 3rd hp laptops and i have a omen pc. The envy 16 is premium build quality, but this is so light. The other hp is a pavilion aero, which i sold to a friend it doesn't have this build quality.
Hello, how is the build quality of this computer? Is the fan noise low? When you open many tabs on TH-cam, can the fan be heard? Is there anything you haven't liked so far?"
I am suscribes and happy with your content
Thank you!
you did not compare it with the elephant in the room - the Yoga 7i Aura edition (which you recommended as the must buy laptop of 2024). what is your personal recommendation between the two ?
? The Aura edition is a much larger laptop. You need to make that decision by screen size and how much portability you want
yoga slim aura 7i or this?
You should do a review on the HP Envy x360
I think that summary in the beggining of the video can be easily turned into a tiktok video
I agree. I'll ask someone to do that today!
at this point im waiting for lenovo to renew the thinkbook 13x g4 with lunar lake. the oleds are disappointing in every laptop.
Jesus Christ... Stop using OLED panels on laptops.
100% brightness PWM flickering is killing your eyes.
As soon as you said OLED I stopped watching the video. Manufacturers must STOP USING OLED panels. I want a laptop to read and edit documents oled are a big no for me
Hi
Bro you know better.
Igot a questio: reading pdf's is more easy in ips panels or oled ones
In the end which one is better
And i want to purchase one of these: hp spectre14oled or srface pro series which one suit better for me as a student
Same here. I love IPS panels for doing office work. OLED causes eye strain and headaches. They are great for gaming and media streaming, but I must have an IPS for work. Currently, we use 80% MB Pro 14 and 20% Surface Laptop 7. Both have great non-OLED panels.
I had the HP with an IPS Display and SD CPU and now switched to the Flip 14 with OLED and its just way better. While the IPS on the SD wasnt bad, its just far off from OLED. Only if my usecase was purely office, I´d take the IPS; for allround use, the OLED is amazing.
@@andyH_England I'm sure IPS is fine for people with particular eye sensitivities, but in general IPS displays are incomparable to OLED displays. I've been using OLED only laptops for the last 4 years & could never go back. Too big a compromise in display quality to ever use IPS again.
@@Lee.S321 Each to their own. OLED is not bad; my TV, phone and tablet are OLED. I find it a strain when doing office work.
I appreciate your detailed review of the Linux support status. Thanks for the excellent video!
@JustJosh can you please make a video reviewing lenovo 7i 2 in 1 intel 7 ultra?
Hi Josh can you make a give way of the Asus zenbook used in the Oled burn-in Video?
can you review the Samsung Galaxy book 5 pro 360 with intel core ultra series 2
I am going to skip over it. I've reviewer the older Meteor Lake version and the Snapdragon. I found them sub par to other alternatives
review some ryzen ai series laptops , 370 and 375h to be specific
The review before this one had one!
For that money I'd rather get Asus ProArt PX13. I'm glad that I got ROG Flow X13 two years ago.
Px13 has shitty battery
$1200 vs $2000? Are you kidding?
@hai.do. $1600 when not on sale. And the PX13 has a dGPU, more ports, a better screen apart from refresh rate, and a better keyboard. Really, the battery life isn't terrible, but the dGPU and higher resolution screen didn't help.
i got this laptop. After 1 week touchpad stopped working. i had also problems with wifi and bluetooth, random disconnected. Got it back and got a new one. And that one had problems with screen. It just got black after some use. Leave that one back too and took Lenovo slim instead. Happy for now.
Lenovo is pretty solid strictly in terms of hardware but it is a Chinese company with the CCP holding nearly 1/3 of its shares. I have switched to Asus (Taiwanese owned) for that reason.
Another fake comment that should be ignored. Why didn't you download all drivers, then contact HP...
Where's the promised revamped battery life test?
Please elaborate. We have switched from a 4 hour battery video drain test yo a full run down at the viewers request. We are investigating a single high-performance task completion on battery to replace our 30 minute Cinebench run. In fact, even adding a performance test while on battery is quite new. We are constantly improving.
@@JustJoshTech Video playback will always favor OLED screen. Doing a web browsing test better aligns with what people actually do with their thin and light laptops. And there OLED don't last as long
@chrism1051 Understood. We are continuing to invest in getting better tests. We will see if we can find one that does this effectively
ah yes, Hinge Problem™
3분전 드가자~
Is this sponsored material....?
For $1600!?!?!?
Yeh... no, I'm good.
oled? no thank you
hp product always easy to skip
At this price , I recommend you wait for a discounted 14 inch gaming laptop..that will offer value for money.
this guy talks like he' getting paid by HP
What I love about Josh is that he comes up with fake laptop problems that I have never ever experienced
Lol
No, thank you.
Who asked?
@@thang0106 who asked for your reply either? I personally agree with the original comment.
Lol😂
@@ShahanJagusI can understand that but there was no purpose of saying no thank you when you can just keep it pushing
@@PaulsTechSpacewhy does he have to ask your permission to comment whatever the fuck he wants? Ever hear of democracy?
Nice 👍 laptop but I don't have money for buy it
Bro pls don't try to sound like typical indians here.
go work a second job at Mc Donalds, HP needs your money!
@@panathaninf bro your nice person but I'm Indian . In India don't give job for youngsters .
And also I have dream of becoming the one
Expensive, weak and generally unimpressive? Let me get my card!
I got an apple macbookpro m3 pro and only 2 months later apple released their m4 series and they sell their new product for the same if not less money I bought mine and this made things clear for me that I will not only buy any other product from apple but intervene my friends and family when they attempt to do such a stupid thing if you have respect for yourself don't buy an apple product you can cry about how your laptop sucks and get over it if you pay it half the price apple sells similar performance products
I will be working my butt off to earn money to buy a powerful windows laptop and gift this one to my sister
Don't do the same mistake I did
Even if you have soo much money that you don't mind spending it on trash you can buy a laptop with 4080 and do whatever it is you wanna do and if you are worried about battery you can buy 2 of them and you would still be paying less hell you can even pay a butler to carry spare batteries for your 4080 with the remaining money (if the butler is an illegal immigrant that is)
Also, if you buy Intel after the 8th generation = you failed
If you buy Intel + hp= you're a masochist
Dumb and uninformed take. You probably thought your comment would sound edgy and smart...
Miss the old justjosh, now it's just paid by (insert company name) sponsored videos. Also where's the Thinkpad review that is mentioned in best laptops of all time?
I actually agree, assuming you are referring to me being tougher. I think this video should have started.... There are 2 laptops here. a fantastic one, which is the one that you buy on sale for $1,200. And then there is a mediocre one, which is the laptop at its MSRP.
We are not paid by companies to make sponsored videos. That part of your comment was unnecessary and there is no truth to. Sponsored videos are a) marked as such, and b) since around May onwards we have been rejection sponsorsed laptop reviews. I don't believe these allow us to be unbiased
Is this an ad? I’ve always liked your videos, but this feels like a joke. Calling it a premium laptop when it lacks a hinge, needs two hands to open, weighs 1337g, is thicker than a Lenovo, It’s massive compared to the best 14” models, and the screen has one of the lowest DPI and brightness levels. No wonder you skipped some comparisons. 2-in-1 laptops are in a category of their own; they can’t match regular laptops and always sacrifice chassis strength, weight, screen quality, and battery life... The Zenbook S14 does everything better.
I do like 2 in 1s, but the Asus ProArt PX13 is just better.
Ur forgetting the keyboard, speakers and especially the trackpad. Zenbook with its mechanical trackpad is horrible compared to haptic ones.
@@Johnny91832 That's the problem with Windows laptops, no manufacturer can tick off everything, unfortunately and objectively weight, thinness, screen, autonomy and power are more important points than the trackpad and speakers, here the zenbook (even the 8840hs) is easily the best macbook air to be found under Windows. Its main drawback is its glossy slab, but an aliexpress filter costs less than $5.
The Dell xps13 is excellent too, but the battery should have been 75W. I'm talking about the 258V models for both.
Out of curiosity, if you put the keyboard and trackpad first, which do you think is the best laptop on the market?
You've watched too many tech review videos. You don't know what you're talking about. First of all, I have no idea what "it lacks a hinge" even means. It opens and closes, thus it has a hinge. It takes two hands to open because it's a 2-in-1. You want the hinge to be a little stiffer. I've seen this thing in person. It is extremely thin and light. If it's thicker than "a Lenovo" I didn't have a caliper on hand to confirm that, but it certainly didn't feel thick in the slightest. Not sure what "massive" means. Heavy? Felt pretty light in person. Again, maybe it's heavier if you put it and a zenbook s14 on a scale to measure, but in reality, it felt perfectly fine to me. Screen could be a little brighter, that's true. DPI? It's a 2.8k 14 in screen, just like most of the other "premium" competitors out there. Zenbook s14 has the exact same resolution at the exact same screen size. The zenbook s14 is basically lighter and has better battery life, and that's it. It does not feel more premium. I felt it in person; it feels almost like a toy. It has been overhyped beyond belief by tech reviewers. It's about the same price as the ultra flip brand new, but the flip is already going on massive sales that make it a significantly better deal than the s14. The s14 hasn't been more than $100 or so off yet.
$1,600 laptop with 4 real cores, 16 gb of ram and integrated graphics? 🤡 I have seen a worse advice, I hope you have the decency of delete this blasphemy
He did mention right in the beginning that this isn't a good buy at that price but often goes on sale.
@@narutokunn man $1,200 still more than stupid
@@Games_and_Tech Good luck finding a different 2in1 laptop around 1.200 with a dedicated GPU.
I agree with the 16gb RAM, I would only buy it with 32. E Cores arent a bad thing, they are getting closer and closer to the P Cores. Its not a good laptop for heavy multicore usage. Rather for content creation, lighter gaming and just portability.
@@Games_and_Tech okayy
This laptop is a disappointment. I regret very much to have bought it. As a product to replace Spectre, it doesn’t live up to the expectation. Its overall performance is appalling when compared with Spectre, but at the more or less the same price range. My advice is, don’t buy it !!
would i be better off getting the spectre?