Oh damn! This deck looks so sweet, a control deck with 8 of my favorite creatures! Please make it into a video Seth! One small correction with something you said in the video. You said something like being able to cast 12 Cryptic Commands, but since both Snapcaster and Torrential Gearhulk exile the card being flashed back, the max of any one spell we can cast in a game is 8. However, the deck looks amazingly fun!
Even this is not true, since if you draw the 8 creature "cryptics" you actually have 0. If you draw one, you only have 2. Speaking of 12 cryptics the way Seth did is just wrong.
Can you blame him for not knowing what the creature looks like? It's hardly ever played in real competitive modern lists. Gideon is just better for the slot and mana.
You should call Torrential by his real name, Fatcaster Mage. Oboro also enables that trick of bouncing it with colorless mana and replaying it to get two blue mana. Also, definitely play this!
Oboro is also useful against Jund opponent's who cast Kolaghan's Command during your draw step. Bounce the land to your hand and keep the card you drew that turn
I like the idea of the deck. The only card I'm not sold on is think twice. Chart a Course seems better with the plan of the deck. Otherwise it seems solid
looks great, can not wait for dominaria to shake things up and diverisfy the meta even more, then a core set added in later on, modern is looking like the best thing out there, course I still love pauper and edh !
I run 2 gearhulks in my modern deck 4 unfortunately isn’t that great it dies to artifact destruction. Also note you can remand a spell back to your hand from gearhulk
Hey Seth, I know this deck tech is old but I think you should revisit it and maybe play it on steam or something. With some of the new cards in the format, like commence the endgame, search for azcanta (not sure if it was legal during the original video) and other cards I can't think of right now, this deck could be actually good
Claudio Cavalcante Bomfim Júnior was thinking the same; then you can run black cards in sb like a damnation. Well, maybe not damnation since it’s 2BB, but something.
4:05 Uhhh, I think you got the math a bit wrong there Seth. It's only 8 cryptics in a game at most. Since after you flashback with snaps or gearhulk it gets exiled.
Drew the RN Yes! AV cannot be played _for_ it's mana cost (since it doesn't have one); effects that allow you to play it without paying the mana cost entirely dodge that restriction.
Dominic Kearney actually it is the best play if your opponent goes do nothing pass the turn you can cast gearhulk flashback a cryptic and remand your cryptic. Which basically replaces remand for cryptic and a random draw that’s actually really good
Because it's hard to cast in a mono-blue deck. Also it can't cast your own spells and you don't know if your opponent even has anything relevant it could hit.
TheRealWormbo But that's great for us? If they're really playing Stompy with no tricks whatsoever it's going to be easy for us to take the board and never give it back with our infinite Ambush Vipers. Seriously now, when was the last time you built a deck and said "You know what this deck definitely doesn't need? More Lightning Bolts." Addendum - I'm not saying DFD is a great card or that it somehow makes/breaks the deck. I just figure we're already all-in on the plan, might as well play something that doesn't scoop to Scavenging Ooze.
New way to build Modern decks: Get two redundant cards with a powerful effect, run 4 of each, find a word in both their names or just pick a word in the stronger one, and call it 8 ----.
Love the deck, but if you cast dismember off torrential, I don't think you'll lose life, as you cast it for free. Or am I wrong in that? As far as I can tell you'd cast 2 dismembers for 4 life off torrential gearhulk!
While I like the deck in concept, similar decks have existed in the past with different win cons, and the problem is that it can't really answer decks like humans or affinity that flood the board. Just too bad against aggro to be playable while being questionable in having better matchups than other control decks.
ozfan6 This deck is missing the secret 1 of: Engulf the Shore. You can have another in the sideboard. It is instant, can clear your opponents board and return your snaps. With only 5 islands it can leave your hulk in play often uncontested.
A significantly better manabase, with strong utility lands, and almost everything is untaped and painless. Also mono-color with cantrips gives you a very very very consistent deck. You could splash white (imo the strongest splash color), and this would gain you paths over dismember, supreme veredict, and strong sideboard cards, at the cost of your mana base and a bit of consistency, and deck synergy. I dont think there is a strictly better option, however one cant deny that path is most of the times a stronger card than dismember.
Actually you CANT cryptic 12 Times in a Game, because gearhulk and snap do Exile The cryptic. And also why Not 3-4 sunken hollow. You have so many Basics that its probably almost Always untapped, and IT saves you 4-6 Life a Game.
Oh damn! This deck looks so sweet, a control deck with 8 of my favorite creatures! Please make it into a video Seth!
One small correction with something you said in the video. You said something like being able to cast 12 Cryptic Commands, but since both Snapcaster and Torrential Gearhulk exile the card being flashed back, the max of any one spell we can cast in a game is 8. However, the deck looks amazingly fun!
so... we need pull from eternity
You can't 12 cryptic. It is exiled after flashing back
I wonder if Seth knows how Flashback works.
he means u have 12 cryptics in the deck... not like u can play 12 cryptics..
Even this is not true, since if you draw the 8 creature "cryptics" you actually have 0. If you draw one, you only have 2. Speaking of 12 cryptics the way Seth did is just wrong.
Not with that attitude!
You can cast it 8 times
darn, was expecting 4x Snapcaster and 4x Dire Fleet Daredevil
There's a gearhulk in the thumbnail -_-
Omega Gaming
12 Snap!
Can you blame him for not knowing what the creature looks like? It's hardly ever played in real competitive modern lists. Gideon is just better for the slot and mana.
Evan Tamol just like LSV
You should call Torrential by his real name, Fatcaster Mage. Oboro also enables that trick of bouncing it with colorless mana and replaying it to get two blue mana. Also, definitely play this!
I just love the fact that this deck refuses to play anything at sorcery speed except a single batterskull xD
Snap = Squirtle
Hulk = Blastoise
What would Wartortle be?
I can't believe someone took that joke about your opponent playing 8snap and made it a deck
Pssh get on my level. 16 snap with snapcaster mage, direfleet daredevil, goblin darkdwellers, and torrential gearhulk is where it's at.
You cant go wrong with mono blue and nothing but counters XD
Should be izzet 12 snap with direfleet daredevil. Coward.
Why not 16 snap with goblin dark dwellers?
why not 20 snap with snapback?
Claude Rodrigue just like LSV’s deck :P
Seems like Baral would shine in this deck with all the counter shenanigans. A four of dismember seems really risky especially against agro and burn.
Hold the phone this is a European tournament deck... didn't think Jace and bloodbraid would change the meta that badly
i was going to comment on the 12 cryptics thing, but i actually read the comments before posting...
Wasn’t expecting that non-gaming sponsor in the beginning. Nice work
Oboro is also useful against Jund opponent's who cast Kolaghan's Command during your draw step. Bounce the land to your hand and keep the card you drew that turn
On paper, this deck looks so sweet. I'd be curious to see it in action, because it looks super fun.
Need this in video form, might have to make this looks super sweet.
I like the idea of the deck. The only card I'm not sold on is think twice. Chart a Course seems better with the plan of the deck. Otherwise it seems solid
Add mission briefing for 12snap
Been a while sonce I saw a deck with Rewind. That card is So Sweet !!
looks sweet, where is disrupting shoal ??
Hey, Seth, you should get a comp of one of those wallets and tell us how it goes. Those things look sweet.
looks great, can not wait for dominaria to shake things up and diverisfy the meta even more, then a core set added in later on, modern is looking like the best thing out there, course I still love pauper and edh !
This seems like a perfect Seth deck.
How many more decks can we make whose names work with this naming convention? cause I love it
Oh. Those rigid wallets seem cool.
"Hey bro, how did you lose the game?"
"I cast 8 dismembers with a monoblue deck"
"What?"
WB Planeswalker pox would be cool
Please make videos of this, it looks sweet.
Where do you find the deck lists for these small tournaments (including the small Japanese tournaments)?
Mostly here: www.hareruyamtg.com/en/deck/search.aspx
Draw go is back! Play it!
How can you cast twelve cryptic commands if they're exiled after you cast them from the graveyard?
Snapcaster and Phatcaster FTW!!
I run 2 gearhulks in my modern deck 4 unfortunately isn’t that great it dies to artifact destruction. Also note you can remand a spell back to your hand from gearhulk
Looks awesome!
Seth you should do commercials!
You know, now that you say it, he does sort-of give off that same vibe a lot of successful podcasters give off.
Nathan Bianco YES!!!
Kyle Hart ya totally! I’d buy that wallet now!
Super sweet I hope you play it
The ole snapcaster and fatcaster
Does the ridge wallet hold foils?
Deck looks cool
Looks sweet!
Hey Seth, I know this deck tech is old but I think you should revisit it and maybe play it on steam or something. With some of the new cards in the format, like commence the endgame, search for azcanta (not sure if it was legal during the original video) and other cards I can't think of right now, this deck could be actually good
Stream***
How about place one Mythical Teaching in this deck?
Could be sweet, probably need black mana though.
you are in mono blue with dissmembers and you are not using darkslick shores ore sunken ruins like merfolk do?
Claudio Cavalcante Bomfim Júnior was thinking the same; then you can run black cards in sb like a damnation. Well, maybe not damnation since it’s 2BB, but something.
You should make a 12 caster deck and add the red flat caster
This is amazing!
Aren't the cryptics exiled after snapcaster? Isn't 12 impossible?
I'd like to see this in action. I wonder how it'll do against a competitive mtgo field.
Woohoo! Another new sponser! :D
He can totally play 12 Cryptic Commands, he just needs to cycle them back in the graveyard with PSY-Framelord Omega :P
Huh! New sponsors!
Neat!
Oh Yeah, MORE CONTROL! Play this!
How about UR 12 SNAP with dark dwellers ?
TheAwfulUnicorn instant speed
8 SNAP and 4 dwelly bois?
Rewind!!! 😵❤️
8-rack, 8-whack, 8-snap...
I'm sure I'm missing some, but what do you think will be the next 8-deck?
8 rat
Play this!
Now we just need 4x Dire Fleet Daredevil for 12 Snap.
4:05 Uhhh, I think you got the math a bit wrong there Seth. It's only 8 cryptics in a game at most. Since after you flashback with snaps or gearhulk it gets exiled.
UNEXPECTED TRON!
I'm pretty sure he said he's recorded it and it'll be released on schedule.
Does torrential gear hulk hit ancestral vision?
Drew the RN
Yes! AV cannot be played _for_ it's mana cost (since it doesn't have one); effects that allow you to play it without paying the mana cost entirely dodge that restriction.
It actually doesn’t, sad to to say. Ancestral is a Sorcery, and Torrential only hits Instants.
Ah, shit. My bad. Got wrapped up in the theoretical and forgot to read the friggin' type line.
You're right about how Torrential works though!
looks fun
You cannot play 12 cryptics even theoretically bc flashback exiles the card from the graveyard.
Dominic Kearney technically it’s more than 12 since you can remand a spell from s gearhulk back to your hand
jacob blackman okay... but then your flashback spell isnt actually even resolved so... not the best play....
Technically, you could add Pull from AEther.
Or play against Eldrazi & Taxes.
Dominic Kearney actually it is the best play if your opponent goes do nothing pass the turn you can cast gearhulk flashback a cryptic and remand your cryptic. Which basically replaces remand for cryptic and a random draw that’s actually really good
Play this!!!
Now green and white need an 8 deck.
Love the 8 ____ decks. Really wanna see you play this
Woah a sponsor that isn't card kingdom!
no Vedalken Shackles??????? :(
i wanna see this deck.
No Narset?
Not enough snaps! Add Jace Vrynn Prodigy and follow the 12 Snap Program!
Splitting your counters is pretty normal in controldecks.
Why not 12 snap with that red dude?
Elam Bruce ain't got flash
Because it's hard to cast in a mono-blue deck. Also it can't cast your own spells and you don't know if your opponent even has anything relevant it could hit.
TheRealWormbo
Yeah but if you opponent has nothing relevant to cast you're winning anyway.
Dire Fleet Daredevil can only cast instant and sorcery spell, i.e. likely a whiff in decks built around permanents.
TheRealWormbo
But that's great for us? If they're really playing Stompy with no tricks whatsoever it's going to be easy for us to take the board and never give it back with our infinite Ambush Vipers. Seriously now, when was the last time you built a deck and said "You know what this deck definitely doesn't need? More Lightning Bolts."
Addendum - I'm not saying DFD is a great card or that it somehow makes/breaks the deck. I just figure we're already all-in on the plan, might as well play something that doesn't scoop to Scavenging Ooze.
New way to build Modern decks: Get two redundant cards with a powerful effect, run 4 of each, find a word in both their names or just pick a word in the stronger one, and call it 8 ----.
Mono blue...... man after my heart lol
I'm all for monoblue
Could also add phantasmal
You can only cast 8 Cryptics, not 12. Snapcaster and Gearhulk exile afterward.
Wait, there's a card named Piracy Charm? I need it for my pirate deck!
play it!
Vedalken Shackles?
Zaulked
Good in the SB, too slow MD.
This needs blinkstuff to snap your snapcasters.
Love piracy charm.
You can't cryptic 12 times... Both Gearhulk and Snapcasters exile the spell after it's played.
Love the deck, but if you cast dismember off torrential, I don't think you'll lose life, as you cast it for free. Or am I wrong in that? As far as I can tell you'd cast 2 dismembers for 4 life off torrential gearhulk!
Kajemby
You are correct.
Daniel Gehring hooray! First for everything lol
I was tricked by the thumbnail! Thought it was 8 Turtles like Calcite Snapper!
Now I'm disappointed.
While I like the deck in concept, similar decks have existed in the past with different win cons, and the problem is that it can't really answer decks like humans or affinity that flood the board. Just too bad against aggro to be playable while being questionable in having better matchups than other control decks.
ozfan6 This deck is missing the secret 1 of: Engulf the Shore. You can have another in the sideboard. It is instant, can clear your opponents board and return your snaps. With only 5 islands it can leave your hulk in play often uncontested.
Small japanese tourmament ? Never mind
Please make a video!!
I love control but I can never take a mono blue control list seriously...please play this deck and prove me wrong seth.
Uhhh, I don't really get the advantage of sticking to mono-blue instead of splashing red/black/white in this kind of deck.
A significantly better manabase, with strong utility lands, and almost everything is untaped and painless. Also mono-color with cantrips gives you a very very very consistent deck. You could splash white (imo the strongest splash color), and this would gain you paths over dismember, supreme veredict, and strong sideboard cards, at the cost of your mana base and a bit of consistency, and deck synergy. I dont think there is a strictly better option, however one cant deny that path is most of the times a stronger card than dismember.
Nathanael Eugene
Seth has a documented phobia of Blood Moon.
Upside if less painful mana. Downside is more painful Dismembers.
Needs to be 12 snap with direfleets
Play itttt
Yes please. Video
Play this
decks like this are why people don't like/trust mono blue decks. Piracy Charm is a cool edition, though!
This deck w archmages charm
lets do UR 12snap!
1. LSV just played this
2. Daredevils?
Actually you CANT cryptic 12 Times in a Game, because gearhulk and snap do Exile The cryptic. And also why Not 3-4 sunken hollow. You have so many Basics that its probably almost Always untapped, and IT saves you 4-6 Life a Game.
Yeah, having some black mana makes sense.
hey seth it's a german name so maybe it was a small german tournament