My hypothesis is that, dogs have been breeded for ages to become more able to follow patterns and rules rather than to think for them selves, hence making them easy to train. And so, the dog will always pick the same side rather than attempt something new on his own. Wolves are wild, and so have retained their ability for independent thinking and changing their patterns easily.
bro.... human brain works the same way, by remembering patterns and using deductive reasoning and dogs or wolves can also use deductive reasoning and remember things, my point is ur argument is about ALL animal rather than it's difference between dog and wolf
You've explained exactly what I was thinking. Maybe it has to do with their "position" in the pack. A dog might be more willing to accept its position in the pack and rather than it being due to the lack of independent thinking it might be due to the dog making an assumption that "ok, I know where I am in the pack and taking this side must be the correct one for me".. Hard to explain but hopefully people know what I mean.
@@danielmorris6523 There was a study out there that showed that the alpha dog hoards all the food while wolves share. For wolves rank is based on who gets to eat first (the children of the alphas eat last but proportionate to the kill)
That makes sense, as you said the dogs are clearly more easy to train, make them do something once and they are gonna keep doing it, while the wolves will act differently depending on the situation. Nice theory
My first "dog" was a Wolf. She was almost impossible to train, she trained me instead. Later, when I got a Collie to keep her company, I was amazed at how easy it was to train the Collie but compared to the Wolf, she wasn't very smart. I couldn't get the Collie to climb a ladder to join me on the roof, ride on the motorcycle without peeing and shaking, she had no sense of dangerous people, couldn't understand how to track a person's footsteps, didn't distinguish the difference between a wild animal and a pet, never learned how to silently stalk squirrels or crows, barked too much, and was illogically scared of children. On the other hand, the Wolf had no problems with any of that. The wolf seldom barked, and seemed to be able to always sense danger well ahead of time. NOTHING ever caught her by surprise and it was impossible to sneak up on her sleeping. Her endurance and speed were phenomenal, I clocked her at 45 mph. The Wolf was very gentle and protective with all children, even the ear pullers. At the dog park she looked like a fighter jet flying among prop planes, but she loved other dogs & was never afraid of any of them, of course. But after saying all that... as much as I would love to have another one I don't know if I can handle it because raising one is like raising a child. Except this child can jump a 7-ft fence and climb a 10-ft fence. It will only stay in your yard if it wants to and it's not fair to have less than 10 acres and some other domestic animals for it to be around. They get bored easily and you should have the kind of job where you can take your Wolf with you to the job site. Otherwise she'll die of loneliness.
I love that story, and makes me actually want to have a wolf lol,....no way though....I've only ever seen wolves in custody with people who they obviously trust ....not for me, I'll admire them in their own habitat, filmed by a considerate camera crew x
Saw a similar test one time but it was food locked in a cage. The wolf kept circling getting more frustrated. The dog circled maybe twice then went straight to the human for help. The conclusion was not that the dog was worse at problem solving, but that they knew to get help. It makes sense too given how intertwined are species have been for tens of thousands of years - we rely on them for any number of jobs beyond our ability and they do the same with us.
I saw the same experiment 😃 It was like dogs didn't have to be very good at solving problems, because they have one universal solution for all of them - humans. And we are extremely good at solving problems 😅
It's different intelligence. Wolves are much more independently intelligent, relying only on themselves to problem solve, while dogs are the opposite and do much better with visual explanation and cues. Dogs can be very intelligent when taught something because they've been selectively bred that way by humans, this is why they're able to sniff out bombs, be seeing eye dogs, search and rescue, etc. Wolves have a "well what's in it for me" attitude, making them much more difficult to train compared to dogs. However, this does not make wolves any less intelligent than dogs, they're more than capable and smart enough to do it, but they're intelligent enough to ask themselves if there's really any gain to doing it. If it was a following command intelligence test - dogs would win If it was an independent problem solving intelligence test (like this video) - wolves would win
Sierra Torres I would say it's more of a wolf not even bothering to wait for a human to feed it not that they ask themselves the question of why? For example if the human try's to teach a wolf a trick he wouldn't bother because he rather go find his own food for survival then a dog that depends on a human for everything. The wolf has one main instinct & that's to survive. The dogs is to please the human.
But it's also a matter of more. They have much bigger heads and brains in proportion to their body sizes. Also that cognitive hardware eats up lots of calories and needs to be put to good use. When it comes to jobs we give dogs, usually the smartest ones are given the most complex jobs like Border Collies. They sometimes have to herd sheep independently as far as a mile away from their handler. Some tests that measure compliance or obedience, as you point out, won't do a good job of cross-comparing dogs and wolves, or even different breeds for that matter. Different dog breeds have to think more independently, which is why, imo, you might see Huskies score pretty mediocre on dog intelligence tests. Does anyone really think Huskies aren't smarter than Dalmatians? So yes, that's a good distinction to make.
Seasexnsun yeah. I think the aspect where the dog relies on people and seeks out peoples attention has been heavily selected over many other aspects. A dog needs to be attentive and obedient, not necessarily intelligent. At least not as intelligent as wolves.
If the dogos were raise as most are, they probably rely on the human to give them the cheese. Therefore, the base assumption would be that the cheese is connected to both strings. I think dogs having lived in the wild would have had similar results to the wolves in the study.
I think you misunderstood me yes their conclusion is the dog is a dumber being than a wolf. I'm arguing that dogs having similar brain mass to wolves like the German shepherd, and having lived in the same environment from birth, results would have been similar. I also find 4/6 times is a weird way to put any stat because it is harder to put in perspective than 66% witch isn't all that impressive given the 50/50 chances of the exercise. My point is, If I were a scientist given a chance to show what my research has amounted to, I would try to give the most impressive results within a reasonable setting. If this is to be a scientific study worth noting i.e. getting funding, it needs to be done within the scientific method. In this case, there is WAY to many factors not accounted for to determine any outcome. Primary problems: -height of the dog (vantage point) -Pattern of the fence changing -Singular dog brain-mass -Asserted dominance relative to (size, any other factor) could massively change the problem solving capacity. (Assuming they cohabited) Problem solving depends on so many factors that it needs very rigorous examination and this is not it. Science is important but dumb science undermines the whole process we humans chose as shepherd. I'm worried that these days, science is treated more as entertainment than a power to learn.
I was thinking they where raised on the same conditions... but they give cheese to dogs >:> They are either selecting for lactose tolerant dogs* or these dogs are sick because of the cheese. They may have selected a diet that is not good for their cognitive development! At least from the video it seems they give raw meat to wolves. *: which may present a correlation with dumb dogs :v most adult dogs are lactose intolerant, you should not feed them cheese
a domesticated dog knows that he will get the food, no matter what, while wild animals gotta be more accurate in what they choose, it's simple but at the same time, it's so wonderful.
It's easy. The dog left food for human or choose this side is mine and this is yours. Because it's learnt that human share food with dog. The same as cat knows that he must leave food on the table... because he will get food afterwards in the dish. The wolf took food because in the wild he always needed to take any food avalible for surviving. More reaserch should be done.
There is a wide range of dogs with different intelligence levels. Take GSD - bred for high intelligence and military use. On country side, parents GSD didn't take long to learn how to lift a gate off the hinges to get out out of the yard. No teaching or training required for that. Grey wolf brain mass is larger, they are in constant need to hunt and survive - a drive for more intelligent thinking and analyzing.
I'm sure the smartest breeds are still less intelligent and more reliant on human commands. If dogs are too smart, they won't even listen to you. They would rather find food themselves
Pretty sure the dogs in the video are border collies (widely regarded as the most intelligent breed). Other breeds would have performed even worse. 🤷♀️
German shepards are for sure smart as dogs go . But what you described I think is more a result of a handlers constant interaction and teaching problem solving games with his dog . I think many dogs could this or be this smart with this kind of informed and disciplined training ! The amount of time spent with these dogs is impressive . But it has been. Proven by the police forces that these results can be gotten from most breeds . But they choose gsd for thier size and intimidating looks and behaviors . At this point people are conditioned to respect the black and tan cop dog ! But for sure his size and ability to physically dominate a person is a must !
I think just testing 'dogs' is a bit vague. Surely it would be better to test all the different breeds. Some, like the Afghan, are really stupid, but breeds like the poodle and herding breeds are far more intelligent
Its because we bred the independence out of dogs.If a wolf befriends a human it does so because it wants to.We made dogs depend on us, thats how we work so well together!
depending on the environment you live, you get to develop different sets of skills. a stray dog knows all there is to know about going around a town (how to safely cross a street, how to wait for the green light, how to take advantage of human transportation and so on) because it is smart enough to observe and mimic what humans do. wolves are more capable of independent thinking and survival in the wild but they are rarely willing to learn by observation
They mentioned in the video that the dogs and wolves were raised in the same environment. So any differences were due to genetic ones not environmental ones.
@@Franky46Boy It takes a very long time and multiple generations, but yes. Since, 1959 Dmitri Belyave and followed up by his student Lyudmila Trut (Russians) have been experimenting with selective breeding and exposing foxes to humans to try and domesticate them. This day some of foxes are more sociable and more dog like.
THE FROST GIANT I don't think that's accurate, my dogs can hunt on their own they've been trained to and they don't need me to feed them, if put in the position where they didn't have me there they would feed themselves.
Wolves Are Smarter than dogs. That's a fact, it doesn't change just for all the dog lovers on site. Educate yourself on Wolf intelligence, give credit where due, learn to listen!
I do something similar with my GSD and he switches according to his vision and sense of smell, and if he can't see it (hiding treats in hands swapping them around, if he gets it wrong, he will carefully choose the following time and often get it right) - the problem with this test is that dogs are meant to be in different conditions as they learn in a different way to wolves.
interesting test however I think it depends on the dogs breed as well .Some dogs have a stronger sense of smell . Wolves can smell their prey miles away
This could really be complementary with the Adam Miklosi's (et al.) experiment, that wolves do not look back at humans when they are presented with a very hard problem to resolve, but dogs do! That study of Adam Miklosi is from 2003 tho.
No. MGaming saw that the woman in the left changed too a little bit in that same moment. So, the comment of MGaming is true, there is a cut in the video. But, a sharp perception for you both. 👏👍🎶
Well tbh that wolves are more intelligent than dogs is a known fact. Anyone who has ever heard of the term "domestication" probably also knows that the dogs have been selectively breed over hundrets of years to obey us humans and be our companion. Because they are made to depend on us in most ways, they have lost a lot of their mature instincts and are basically as grown ups at a mind state of an immature wolf. That makes keeping Wolf-Hybrids so difficult, as most people that get them just think or hope, that they just get a "larger" and more cooler German Shepherd, while in reality the wolf side is often more present and the lack of understanding is making life difficult for both of them. But working with wolves and dogs and testing their intelligence is never a bad thing. Wolves have high senses to take down prey and a huge social intelligence, I am sure there is still a lot to discover and its always gonna be interesting. :)
You should be careful about what you say. Maybe be sure of your facts first. MY wolfdogs are smarter and easier to train than ANY dog. PERIOD. They are tame, friendly, and a way better canine companion than any dog out there. PERIOD. Statistically speaking, wolfdogs are not even among the 20 most dangerous canines to own, not even among the top 40. My lines have never attacked a person without trying to defend their owner. You watch too much BS on TH-cam and Facebook.
@@volgawolfhounds741 so what exactly are your wolf dogs ? What percentage of wolf, what kind of wolf, what dog breeds were used and which percentage of each ? And or is you dog a real wolf / dog . Or a dog bred to look like a wolf ? You are painting wolf dogs with a very broad brush here . So a little back up info to clarifi what we are talking about ?
My former dog ( passed away in April) would probably pull both ropes, run off with them to distract you and grab the rest of the cheese when you were busy getting your ropes back.
you are right, but i think it is also, i believe that Dogs learn to trust humans, and the dog were trusting that you wouldnt trick them, just watch dog magic video, where their owner disappear by dropping the blanket and running off, and the dogs freak out like they actually disappeared. domestication leads to the animals trusting their owners, even if they abuse or treat kindly
well to be fair they didn't show everything in a format that you would write a paper since that is boring and doesn't make good tv so they just did a simple easy to follow example to demonstrate their findings.
You should explain why you think the experiment is poorly designed dude. Not just say it is. I think the experiment is designed pretty well actually. Not only did they raise the wolves/dogs in identical conditions (eliminating the bias of environment and development), they conducted the experiment in the same way for each animal. The researcher showed them the plate with the cheeses and ropes. Only the wolves seemed to get immediately which side had the rope they should pull. Also the narrator seemed to indicate that they tested more dogs/wolves then they showed in this video, but if it really was less then 10 animals in each group then yeah I agree, small sample size.
Joe Cheung I read that we bred most dogs to have the intelligence of a 3-month old wolf pup because if they were smarter then they would figure out that they could just maul us instead of taking orders from us
@@dylankn8129 but dogs he is right because humans teach them and that makes them intelligent just like a human kid if the teacher teach him something new he will learn just like in dogs but less effective than humans though
Do dogs (or wolves) have handedness, left vs right? I wonder if that had anything to do with the dogs' choices. Did the research center try any other tests of canine intelligence?
Wolves are fine connoisseurs of cheese. This is well known. I remember a time when I poured out a rich cab sauvignon at a picnic, and some wolves showed up with Camembert and 8 year old cheddar. The dogs brought Kraft singles.
I think this is applicable to humans too. Those that spend too much time in a comfort zone tend to be less creative and less imaginative than those in the wild who have to deal with a lot of challenges and have to be really tuned to their external environments to be alert.
***** of course 4 out of 6 is equal to 2 outof 3. but these are the numbers used in the video. just because it means the same doesnt mean i have to write it your way. you're the idiot for thinking i didnt know that was the same thing.
@ 2:00... Huh, her explanatory hypothesis seems contradicted by the fact that all subjects were raised in the same conditions (0:06). So presumably these wolves were never wild. If they were, that's a huge hole in the study design. And yet the opening description implies pains were taken to close that hole. And I doubt that the observed smarts and stupidity (in the domestic breeds) is attributable to personal experience.
nah man, thousands of years of domestication may genetically change the dogs. Such as certain instincts or problem solving skills. The wolves are born with certain things dogs aren't...well at least that's what she wants us to believe
WRONG!... It's not that "wolves don't get it at all", they just don't care about doing stupid tricks to please humans... They are free thinkers... Dogs have been designed by humans to act like pups, to need us and to please us...
Why are all your videos so damn short? I mean, you obviously put a lot of effort into them and drive to faraway places... and then you cut 99.9% of all material and post a video that´s under 3 minutes? I don´t get it, that´s so much effort wasted.
I heard of a similar experiment. The researchers rigged a rope test like this, then fixed it so neither could get the food without a humans aid, (like turning a knob) The wolf just got mad and gave up, but the dog went over the the handler and pined for help. The dogs see humans as part of the pack. "I'll use my nose and ears, you use your hands and brain; a winning team."
"So his statement means that uncivilized people are clever than civilised (domesticated) people, okay then." Yes, en masses at grande aptitude. Civilization is dysgenia; its selection pressures select for creatures that use to die under barbarian selection pressures..
To Serve Man Thulean Bullshit, civilized people are more intelligent than savages. It recquires a lot more intelligence to create and maintain tall stone buildings, an advanced law system, tissue fabric, ..., than to hunt, to make primitive hutts or to craft primitive furr clothes.
Intelligence can be lacking in one or more small areas, but extremely high in other areas..this doesn't prove much..plus, how many dogs/wolves were uses..how many times was it repeated..etc
this test was bullsh!t and designed to support her believes. Here's what I took away from it: The dogs remembered what worked (which is the reason why conditioning works) while the wolf just went with whatever. Just look at the wolf not looking through the fence at all. Also 4 out of 6 is supporting my theory more than hers.
Although this test proves little due to it needing much greater testing, your view needs reconsidering. Remembering what worked once and repeating that process again and again, even if it doesn't work the next time, is stupid. 4/6, although inconclusive, isn't "whatever". What do you mean the wolf didn't look through the fence? Don't be stupid, they have a much greater FOV than us and they clearly saw the cheese. Otherwise, why go for and pull a random string?
And the fact that there's only 2 choices makes it hard to determine if it's conditioning or random since 1. If it is conditioning and dogs goes to what they think works. You have to swap the ropes randomly and you should get a 50-50% of getting it right. 2. If the wolves are picking randomly then again due to the randomness after enough samples it would again be 50-50%
+Asfandyar Khan 4/6 proves that the wolf didn't understood that he should pick the string connected to the cheese, it looked more like he was just picking it randomly. If he would understood it he would score 6/6. Also remembering what worked the first time and repeating it (although stupid for ours standards) is more intelligent than just picking randomly
It's because the "test" is designed that way. The Dogs never found out that the string they didn't pick had a reward. Also it was said they preferred one side, meaning they didn't go stupidly 100% of the time to the same, meaning they probably went the next few times after getting something on one to the same again, which is desired behavior in dogs in general. Also the "test" was further flawed in that there probably wasn't a predetermined order, meaning she probably switched the rewards after the dogs found the reward on one "ruining" the score of the dogs and giving her desired results. And 4/6 is whatever. It's in the standard deviation, although the sample size is too low anyway. Also what burt said, if the wolf understood he would have 6/6.
In Iran my grandpa adopted an abandoned baby wolf, she was no different than a dog! 90% samething; Loyal, smart, protective...just bigger and stronger than average dogs and had a tendency of hunting that's why my grandpa put her in his farm.
Dogs are the result of deliberated inbreeding due to human intervention in their mating process. As a result some deleterious traits that are suppose to be weeded out by the natural progression in their evolution keep accumulating giving markedly difference that accrue to the diversification into a branch of the species. Some of those deleterious traits must influence the behaviors of the individuals making them more docile and less distrusting of the human as the master. This test perhaps is not set properly to take out the fact that dogs notice the human experimenter intervention and if they are trusty of who their consider their master during the placement of the experiment set, giving a noticeable chance that the mismatch occurred due to the trained cognitive bias in dogs compared to their ancestors the wolves.
1 major fault in your hypothesis is that inbreeding probably wouldn't have any effect on a dogs IQ after a generation or two of mating with other, distant breeds.
Dogs are a result of 'selective breeding'. This attempts to remove deleterious traits by intervention of the human. IE individuals with undesirable traits would be removed from the breeding pool. Yes, this does reduce genetic variation, however they are not merely 'inbred wolves' - dogs have a very similar lifespan to wolves. You also might want to look up the definition of progeny - you mean ancestor. Being a sesquipedalian as you are, though, primogenitor is probably more appropriate :)
+Raymond Short It all comes down to how you define inbreeding. By the looks of it there was probably some inbreeding between you and Mr. Chang not too long ago.
here's a question for the researcher - did the wolves choose the rope based on the scent they left on the end of it? Did the researcher use a new rope (with no 'old scent') on it for every repetition?
Moral: If you want an animal to get cheese twisted into a length of rope get a wolf. But, If you want an animal who will not try to eat you, get a dog. Simple really.
what kind of scientist is she. you can't declare something with such little testing. what about pure breed dogs? what about other types of dogs? hounds? utility dogs? she didn't do a whole lot of testing to come to the hypothesis
If the dogs and wolves are being raised in the same conditions, who is unhappy? Are the dogs not getting enough human interaction or are the wolves in enclosures that are too small? How is this being done ethically?
66% is too low to be different from random guessing, so the results so far don't prove that wolves are that much more intelligent. If anything, it could actually prove the opposite--that dogs are intelligent enough to recognize patterns, such as food being on one side instead of the other, even if they're seeing patterns that aren't there.
Wolves are on a different level. All domesticated dogs are essentially “juveniles” as they are all descendants from the wolf. Domesticated dogs in adulthood display behaviors (such as barking) that wolves ditch once past the juvenile stage. (I didn’t come up with this. This is what I learned from reading science books on canines)
dogs learned to do what got them a reward from their master, usually its a trick they have to perform, with the eventual goal of getting the dog to do said trick without a reward or treat.
they just presented an experiment they had already done. this was obviously just for the show and the real experiment they already finished, scientifically hopefully.
are u blind or something? i saw 3 dogs and 2 wolfs doing the experiment, altho its a stupid experiment, they used diferent dogs and diferent wolfes they just didnt show everything
Another factor would be who completed the test faster each time. Id guess the dogs did. They are probably bred to act instantly, knowing that the faster they complete a task the more happy they make the humans. Basically, the dogs view this as another trick, and the wolves view it as gathering food. Which of the two is right?
I think it make sense that humans chose loyal wolves over intelligent wolves. It was more important that our wolf dogs be obedient and depend on us than be independent thinkers.
I think if the sticks were not pulled away before the dog could try the other one after first taking the one with no cheese attached, they would learn from it, next they would learn to look first after discovering that there is a requirement to get the cheese. The way it is done here it gives no mental challenge, learning. The primary sense for the dog in this case would be smell so it must learn to look.
Also dogs are of a 'younger' mental age than wolves because it allows a human to control them and instruct them on what to do. It's also one of the reasons dogs and other domestic animals become aggressive sooner because aggression is a trait infants develop early.
I wonder if the results would have been different had they tried different breeds of dogs. Sure, try the smart breeds like a Border Collie or the Golden Retriever but maybe also try some hard-headed breeds (my reasoning is to try this because wolfdogs tend to be hard-headed so maybe that's a sign of being a free thinker) like the Akita or maybe a Husky to see if there is any change.
wolfs are very intelligent they plan ahead of an attack when in groups, fox and coyotes plan strategies as well, domestic dogs now days are more on feed me human. wild animals are more smarter than domestic ones. but in understanding humans and interacting with them the dog is the smartest ones.
Dogs clearly have the advantage when it comes to learning tricks-that makes sense because they've evolved to obey humans. Where as a wolf is less inclined to learn tricks as its not like a domestic dog-it was built for survival so there smarter then dogs in most manners.
Get a livestock guardian that has been left to guard the animals away from humans. In many countries where sheep and goats are an important commodity, dogs are often out with grazing animals year round. It's up to them to protect the livestock from predictors and all their senses and their *minds* are on full alert. I read some peoples experience with LSG. They told that wolves cam after their sheep, a couple LSG distracted the wolves by backing and growling. While the wolves were preparing to attack them, the rest of the LSG circled around and attacked them from behind.
Tbh I feel like dogs would eventually figure that one out, what is happening is the dogs trust humans to give them food, once they realize they get a piece of cheese by pulling the string, they will continue to go to that same string and if theres not a piece of cheese on the end, I would bet money they look up at the human like "Sup dude? Wheres me cheese?!" After about 10-20 times of getting no cheese, they would try the other string or start using their nose to figure out which string to pull.
I had an Anatolian Shepherd mix (mostly Anatolian Shepherd though) that I got a treat ball for him. I filled it with treats and showed it to him, rolling it around on the floor for the treats would come out, here and there. He looked at me as if to say "Don't insult my intelligence", put his paw on the ball and shook it so that ALL the treats spilled out in a pile. He then got up and walked off.
Dogs are simply the best at reading humans and human body language, better than most humans. When you think about their jobs, both dogs and wolves couldn’t be better suited.
Try Street dogs... those are pretty smart and thought ones. Here in chile theres alot of them, and you can see them doing alot of smarty stuff, like for example waiting for the traffic lights to turn green or watch other people to cross the roads, for giving you some examples.
Maybe dogs are right handed or left handed like humans are and so they just always use their dominant paw to paw at things. I never thought about that. Now I'm going to be watching which paw my dog uses.
Domestication as a human concept used in sociology, psychology or political philosophy is much different from the one used in this video as an example of adomestication process with same implicit collateral effects on both animals and humans. Domestications for humans means better use of self-control, abstract power, thinking etc. without neglecting the fact that this process has affected humans in some negative aspects. Animal domestication Means To Us that they should be useful to our goals.
Pretty sure they were after the rope more than the cheese, I mean could have put like a dog treat for the dogs and some freshly killed deer or something for the wolves...
Cooked Meat. You are welcome. You won’t hear this theory out there because for some reason scientists overlook the simple things. But cooked meats advanced our brains, dogs evolved over time from scavenging off human settlements and in time the relationship was formed and dogs truly evolved. But one thing that they have had different to wolves is cooked meats and processed foods like bread and grains etc. X
OMG its such an easy answer on that problem. Domesticated dogs have to do what the owner wants them to do. So they are trained to always do things the same. Wolfs have to think on their own and they know it. Thats all. And both behaviours got their benefits.
My hypothesis is that, dogs have been breeded for ages to become more able to follow patterns and rules rather than to think for them selves, hence making them easy to train. And so, the dog will always pick the same side rather than attempt something new on his own.
Wolves are wild, and so have retained their ability for independent thinking and changing their patterns easily.
bro.... human brain works the same way, by remembering patterns and using deductive reasoning and dogs or wolves can also use deductive reasoning and remember things, my point is ur argument is about ALL animal rather than it's difference between dog and wolf
We humans have to apply this to our lives, be more like wolves (in a good way)
You've explained exactly what I was thinking. Maybe it has to do with their "position" in the pack. A dog might be more willing to accept its position in the pack and rather than it being due to the lack of independent thinking it might be due to the dog making an assumption that "ok, I know where I am in the pack and taking this side must be the correct one for me".. Hard to explain but hopefully people know what I mean.
@@danielmorris6523 There was a study out there that showed that the alpha dog hoards all the food while wolves share. For wolves rank is based on who gets to eat first (the children of the alphas eat last but proportionate to the kill)
That makes sense, as you said the dogs are clearly more easy to train, make them do something once and they are gonna keep doing it, while the wolves will act differently depending on the situation. Nice theory
My first "dog" was a Wolf. She was almost impossible to train, she trained me instead. Later, when I got a Collie to keep her company, I was amazed at how easy it was to train the Collie but compared to the Wolf, she wasn't very smart. I couldn't get the Collie to climb a ladder to join me on the roof, ride on the motorcycle without peeing and shaking, she had no sense of dangerous people, couldn't understand how to track a person's footsteps, didn't distinguish the difference between a wild animal and a pet, never learned how to silently stalk squirrels or crows, barked too much, and was illogically scared of children. On the other hand, the Wolf had no problems with any of that. The wolf seldom barked, and seemed to be able to always sense danger well ahead of time. NOTHING ever caught her by surprise and it was impossible to sneak up on her sleeping. Her endurance and speed were phenomenal, I clocked her at 45 mph. The Wolf was very gentle and protective with all children, even the ear pullers. At the dog park she looked like a fighter jet flying among prop planes, but she loved other dogs & was never afraid of any of them, of course.
But after saying all that... as much as I would love to have another one I don't know if I can handle it because raising one is like raising a child. Except this child can jump a 7-ft fence and climb a 10-ft fence. It will only stay in your yard if it wants to and it's not fair to have less than 10 acres and some other domestic animals for it to be around. They get bored easily and you should have the kind of job where you can take your Wolf with you to the job site. Otherwise she'll die of loneliness.
uh uh! then i kept a siberian husky with my siberian tiger and trained them.
I love that story, and makes me actually want to have a wolf lol,....no way though....I've only ever seen wolves in custody with people who they obviously trust ....not for me, I'll admire them in their own habitat, filmed by a considerate camera crew x
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Could they have picked a more muddy and wet part of the fence through which to feed the dogs ????
Lol, I know right.
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jontibloom awe baby so sad lol
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Wow right thinking but even though wolf did picked as it sufficed
those black wolves are Georgeous
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Wolf are better than dog
Did you see the way they walked? WOW
@@pizzaboy3048 wolves and dogs are better than hatefull human
@@pizzaboy3048 hatefull dirty stinky trashy human
Saw a similar test one time but it was food locked in a cage. The wolf kept circling getting more frustrated. The dog circled maybe twice then went straight to the human for help. The conclusion was not that the dog was worse at problem solving, but that they knew to get help. It makes sense too given how intertwined are species have been for tens of thousands of years - we rely on them for any number of jobs beyond our ability and they do the same with us.
I saw the same experiment 😃 It was like dogs didn't have to be very good at solving problems, because they have one universal solution for all of them - humans. And we are extremely good at solving problems 😅
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@leii1306 Dogs CAN learn how to do things like open doors though. (So can cats. Their paws are defter!) Sometimes without being shown!
Wolf: you’re weak
Dog: I’m you
but stronger
@@metalman9699 90% of dogs are weaker
@@Sahelian
Pitbulls rottweilers bulldogs: that tell us where part of the damn list
Bull dog or German dog thing
Wolf have stronger bite force
@@pizzaboy3048wolf have overall advantage to dog such as bite force, stamina , problem-solving brain
This is what's happening to us.. Life's getting easy, people are getting dumb.
Like dog thing is dum
It almost hapened to us , many thousand years ago
The movie idiocracy holds some truth to it
@@nope1083 more than that, it’s here now.
Human stupidity has been around the very start of our existence. Nothing new at all
It's different intelligence. Wolves are much more independently intelligent, relying only on themselves to problem solve, while dogs are the opposite and do much better with visual explanation and cues. Dogs can be very intelligent when taught something because they've been selectively bred that way by humans, this is why they're able to sniff out bombs, be seeing eye dogs, search and rescue, etc. Wolves have a "well what's in it for me" attitude, making them much more difficult to train compared to dogs. However, this does not make wolves any less intelligent than dogs, they're more than capable and smart enough to do it, but they're intelligent enough to ask themselves if there's really any gain to doing it.
If it was a following command intelligence test - dogs would win
If it was an independent problem solving intelligence test (like this video) - wolves would win
Sierra Torres I would say it's more of a wolf not even bothering to wait for a human to feed it not that they ask themselves the question of why? For example if the human try's to teach a wolf a trick he wouldn't bother because he rather go find his own food for survival then a dog that depends on a human for everything. The wolf has one main instinct & that's to survive. The dogs is to please the human.
But it's also a matter of more. They have much bigger heads and brains in proportion to their body sizes. Also that cognitive hardware eats up lots of calories and needs to be put to good use.
When it comes to jobs we give dogs, usually the smartest ones are given the most complex jobs like Border Collies. They sometimes have to herd sheep independently as far as a mile away from their handler.
Some tests that measure compliance or obedience, as you point out, won't do a good job of cross-comparing dogs and wolves, or even different breeds for that matter. Different dog breeds have to think more independently, which is why, imo, you might see Huskies score pretty mediocre on dog intelligence tests. Does anyone really think Huskies aren't smarter than Dalmatians?
So yes, that's a good distinction to make.
Very well put
Seasexnsun yeah. I think the aspect where the dog relies on people and seeks out peoples attention has been heavily selected over many other aspects. A dog needs to be attentive and obedient, not necessarily intelligent. At least not as intelligent as wolves.
wolves are pack animals they arnt really "independent"
so the conclusion is... inconclusive ?
The conclusion is clear, wolves have better problem solving capability
xX Xx the point of the test was not to figure out which animal has better problem solving capabilities though...
If the dogos were raise as most are, they probably rely on the human to give them the cheese. Therefore, the base assumption would be that the cheese is connected to both strings. I think dogs having lived in the wild would have had similar results to the wolves in the study.
I think you misunderstood me yes their conclusion is the dog is a dumber being than a wolf.
I'm arguing that dogs having similar brain mass to wolves like the German shepherd, and having lived in the same environment from birth, results would have been similar.
I also find 4/6 times is a weird way to put any stat because it is harder to put in perspective than 66% witch isn't all that impressive given the 50/50 chances of the exercise.
My point is, If I were a scientist given a chance to show what my research has amounted to, I would try to give the most impressive results within a reasonable setting. If this is to be a scientific study worth noting i.e. getting funding, it needs to be done within the scientific method. In this case, there is WAY to many factors not accounted for to determine any outcome.
Primary problems:
-height of the dog (vantage point)
-Pattern of the fence changing
-Singular dog brain-mass
-Asserted dominance relative to (size, any other factor) could massively change the problem solving capacity. (Assuming they cohabited)
Problem solving depends on so many factors that it needs very rigorous examination and this is not it. Science is important but dumb science undermines the whole process we humans chose as shepherd.
I'm worried that these days, science is treated more as entertainment than a power to learn.
I was thinking they where raised on the same conditions...
but they give cheese to dogs >:>
They are either selecting for lactose tolerant dogs* or these dogs are sick because of the cheese. They may have selected a diet that is not good for their cognitive development! At least from the video it seems they give raw meat to wolves.
*: which may present a correlation with dumb dogs :v most adult dogs are lactose intolerant, you should not feed them cheese
Too short.
That's what she said :)
+Corvux IX i have bad news for you then, fren
Good rapper
Thats what she said
+Whatsthehaps 91 beat me too it pimp
a domesticated dog knows that he will get the food, no matter what, while wild animals gotta be more accurate in what they choose, it's simple but at the same time, it's so wonderful.
To be honest, i think the dogs just wanted the rope :l
:d
Yep, they wanted to play tug-o-war with the person.
They want the rope because they are dum and stopid
Stop making excuses, lmao the dogs are dumbasses 😂
It's easy. The dog left food for human or choose this side is mine and this is yours. Because it's learnt that human share food with dog. The same as cat knows that he must leave food on the table... because he will get food afterwards in the dish.
The wolf took food because in the wild he always needed to take any food avalible for surviving.
More reaserch should be done.
It's so interesting to note the differences. Dogs truly grow up and stay puppy-like.
Sadly it sounds like mental retardation. They're not mentally developing the way they should and so they aren't fully maturing mentally.
There is a wide range of dogs with different intelligence levels.
Take GSD - bred for high intelligence and military use. On country side, parents GSD didn't take long to learn how to lift a gate off the hinges to get out out of the yard. No teaching or training required for that.
Grey wolf brain mass is larger, they are in constant need to hunt and survive - a drive for more intelligent thinking and analyzing.
don't forget about border collie, dobermann, wimeraner, australian sheperd.
I'm sure the smartest breeds are still less intelligent and more reliant on human commands. If dogs are too smart, they won't even listen to you. They would rather find food themselves
What a nerd
Can you just say wolf are better
Pretty sure the dogs in the video are border collies (widely regarded as the most intelligent breed).
Other breeds would have performed even worse. 🤷♀️
German shepards are for sure smart as dogs go . But what you described I think is more a result of a handlers constant interaction and teaching problem solving games with his dog . I think many dogs could this or be this smart with this kind of informed and disciplined training ! The amount of time spent with these dogs is impressive . But it has been. Proven by the police forces that these results can be gotten from most breeds . But they choose gsd for thier size and intimidating looks and behaviors . At this point people are conditioned to respect the black and tan cop dog ! But for sure his size and ability to physically dominate a person is a must !
I think just testing 'dogs' is a bit vague. Surely it would be better to test all the different breeds. Some, like the Afghan, are really stupid, but breeds like the poodle and herding breeds are far more intelligent
There was a border collie which is generally the most intelligent breed.
Yeah, some dogs like Pugs are bred to be stupid whereas Cavaliers and German Shepherds are smart.
+Rafinho32 I have a border collie and he sure is a smart ass
I agree, also would have liked to have seen thoroughbreds vs mutts to see if the varied genes made a difference
There are no dog breeds smarter than a wolf.
I did a similar test with my dog. I through a ball, and he knew if he didn't get it, I would. Amazing!
Its because we bred the independence out of dogs.If a wolf befriends a human it does so because it wants to.We made dogs depend on us, thats how we work so well together!
What a nerd
depending on the environment you live, you get to develop different sets of skills. a stray dog knows all there is to know about going around a town (how to safely cross a street, how to wait for the green light, how to take advantage of human transportation and so on) because it is smart enough to observe and mimic what humans do. wolves are more capable of independent thinking and survival in the wild but they are rarely willing to learn by observation
I wonder how stray dogs would perform in this experiment...
They mentioned in the video that the dogs and wolves were raised in the same environment. So any differences were due to genetic ones not environmental ones.
@@bliskin8847 In the long run a different environment can bring changes in the genetics. That makes a dog a dog and a wolf a wolf.
@@Franky46Boy It takes a very long time and multiple generations, but yes. Since, 1959 Dmitri Belyave and followed up by his student Lyudmila Trut (Russians) have been experimenting with selective breeding and exposing foxes to humans to try and domesticate them. This day some of foxes are more sociable and more dog like.
wolf's are smarter they don't need us to feed them take care of them where as dogs need us to survive they don't know how to hunt
THE FROST GIANT I don't think that's accurate, my dogs can hunt on their own they've been trained to and they don't need me to feed them, if put in the position where they didn't have me there they would feed themselves.
J.J De-Vil ya but the wolves would be way better at hunting and survival
Dogs DO know how to hunt, they just do it better in packs.
I believe the dogs are smarter training humans how to properly take care of them
There are hunting dogs. Bred for hunting.
Wolves Are Smarter than dogs. That's a fact, it doesn't change just for all the dog lovers on site. Educate yourself on Wolf intelligence, give credit where due, learn to listen!
That’s not a fact buddy. There are layers to intelligence and dogs are much better at some other areas
I do something similar with my GSD and he switches according to his vision and sense of smell, and if he can't see it (hiding treats in hands swapping them around, if he gets it wrong, he will carefully choose the following time and often get it right) - the problem with this test is that dogs are meant to be in different conditions as they learn in a different way to wolves.
interesting test however I think it depends on the dogs breed as well .Some dogs have a stronger sense of smell .
Wolves can smell their prey miles away
This could really be complementary with the Adam Miklosi's (et al.) experiment, that wolves do not look back at humans when they are presented with a very hard problem to resolve, but dogs do!
That study of Adam Miklosi is from 2003 tho.
I agree with Zsophia Wolves would naturally solve the problem whereas dogs would need to be taught to solve the problem.
0:55 look up in the corner in right side
The man just disapears like a ghost
Holy shoot... Thanks for pointing it out. Didnt see it on the first go!
Was it a man or the woman in red. But whoever it was just vanish.
No they cut the scene or something look at the girl on the left you can see her cut
Probably to change the stringa
No. MGaming saw that the woman in the left changed too a little bit in that same moment. So, the comment of MGaming is true, there is a cut in the video. But, a sharp perception for you both. 👏👍🎶
Well tbh that wolves are more intelligent than dogs is a known fact. Anyone who has ever heard of the term "domestication" probably also knows that the dogs have been selectively breed over hundrets of years to obey us humans and be our companion. Because they are made to depend on us in most ways, they have lost a lot of their mature instincts and are basically as grown ups at a mind state of an immature wolf. That makes keeping Wolf-Hybrids so difficult, as most people that get them just think or hope, that they just get a "larger" and more cooler German Shepherd, while in reality the wolf side is often more present and the lack of understanding is making life difficult for both of them. But working with wolves and dogs and testing their intelligence is never a bad thing. Wolves have high senses to take down prey and a huge social intelligence, I am sure there is still a lot to discover and its always gonna be interesting. :)
You should be careful about what you say. Maybe be sure of your facts first. MY wolfdogs are smarter and easier to train than ANY dog. PERIOD. They are tame, friendly, and a way better canine companion than any dog out there. PERIOD. Statistically speaking, wolfdogs are not even among the 20 most dangerous canines to own, not even among the top 40. My lines have never attacked a person without trying to defend their owner. You watch too much BS on TH-cam and Facebook.
@@volgawolfhounds741 so what exactly are your wolf dogs ? What percentage of wolf, what kind of wolf, what dog breeds were used and which percentage of each ? And or is you dog a real wolf / dog . Or a dog bred to look like a wolf ? You are painting wolf dogs with a very broad brush here . So a little back up info to clarifi what we are talking about ?
My former dog ( passed away in April) would probably pull both ropes, run off with them to distract you and grab the rest of the cheese when you were busy getting your ropes back.
OK
Butt I like wolf better
Lmfao stfu ur dog is not that smart
you are right, but i think it is also, i believe that Dogs learn to trust humans, and the dog were trusting that you wouldnt trick them, just watch dog magic video, where their owner disappear by dropping the blanket and running off, and the dogs freak out like they actually disappeared. domestication leads to the animals trusting their owners, even if they abuse or treat kindly
Its a poorly designed and poorly conducted and poorly controlled test with a tiny group of test subjects to say the least
well to be fair they didn't show everything in a format that you would write a paper since that is boring and doesn't make good tv so they just did a simple easy to follow example to demonstrate their findings.
Joe Cheung as a psychology/biology student, much as I agree, it does suggest some evidence to at least lead to further, more in depth research.
Your bias towards dogs is showing...
You should explain why you think the experiment is poorly designed dude. Not just say it is. I think the experiment is designed pretty well actually. Not only did they raise the wolves/dogs in identical conditions (eliminating the bias of environment and development), they conducted the experiment in the same way for each animal. The researcher showed them the plate with the cheeses and ropes. Only the wolves seemed to get immediately which side had the rope they should pull. Also the narrator seemed to indicate that they tested more dogs/wolves then they showed in this video, but if it really was less then 10 animals in each group then yeah I agree, small sample size.
Joe Cheung I read that we bred most dogs to have the intelligence of a 3-month old wolf pup because if they were smarter then they would figure out that they could just maul us instead of taking orders from us
I’m sure a stray dog from the islands would match intellect of a wolf
Dogs are better at learning patterns and routines
Wolves are better at problem solving
Wolves are better at both..
@@dylankn8129 no
@@dylankn8129 wolves have good problem solving because they are in wild and they know only is survival
@@dylankn8129 but dogs he is right because humans teach them and that makes them intelligent just like a human kid if the teacher teach him something new he will learn just like in dogs but less effective than humans though
Yes i agree
I want a wolf in my house
Do dogs (or wolves) have handedness, left vs right? I wonder if that had anything to do with the dogs' choices.
Did the research center try any other tests of canine intelligence?
Wolves are fine connoisseurs of cheese. This is well known. I remember a time when I poured out a rich cab sauvignon at a picnic, and some wolves showed up with Camembert and 8 year old cheddar. The dogs brought Kraft singles.
I have a Japanese Akita and I was inspired to try this test on him. He was pretty good at taking the roped treat.
Maybe that's what makes dogs so trainable. They do something, get rewarded, then they stick to it.
4/6 thats significant
I think this is applicable to humans too. Those that spend too much time in a comfort zone tend to be less creative and less imaginative than those in the wild who have to deal with a lot of challenges and have to be really tuned to their external environments to be alert.
4 out of 6 isnt a much better performance than 1 out of 2
ikr
***** of course 4 out of 6 is equal to 2 outof 3. but these are the numbers used in the video. just because it means the same doesnt mean i have to write it your way. you're the idiot for thinking i didnt know that was the same thing.
Hey you dumb piece of shit…..don't you have got anything to say about what MrMorphicus had to say?? lol
wolves know how to kill different things and communicate at distances and dogs know how to sit and stay and hop in the car. "good boy!"
they also know how to detect different drugs, find bombs and mines, attack and/or kill on command, etc. GSDs are a good example of dog intelligence.
It is clear that wolfs 🐺 use their brain a lot more than dogs, they have to think all day how when to find food, survive, raise their puppies etc
@ 2:00... Huh, her explanatory hypothesis seems contradicted by the fact that all subjects were raised in the same conditions (0:06). So presumably these wolves were never wild. If they were, that's a huge hole in the study design. And yet the opening description implies pains were taken to close that hole.
And I doubt that the observed smarts and stupidity (in the domestic breeds) is attributable to personal experience.
nah man, thousands of years of domestication may genetically change the dogs. Such as certain instincts or problem solving skills. The wolves are born with certain things dogs aren't...well at least that's what she wants us to believe
The wolf breed we had has far better senses than our other dogs. That was obvious. He also appeared to be far more intelligent in many respects.
Even if you combine all breeds of dogs, they cannot outsmart a wolf.
How do I find the episode this clip is from please?
Bang Goes the Theory - Series 6 - Episode 8
+Brit Lab
One notices that they could only eat the cheese on grit-laden muddy ground?
ah.. you serious mate? They don't give a shit.
Yeah, now see, had they had a rare Super Wolf there along with the dog and Regular wolf it would have at very least asked for a napkin.
+Jeffrey Morris Are you the kinda guy that licks your cheese so no other person will take it?
And dogs understand humans pointing at something where wolves don't get it at all.
WRONG!... It's not that "wolves don't get it at all", they just don't care about doing stupid tricks to please humans... They are free thinkers...
Dogs have been designed by humans to act like pups, to need us and to please us...
Why are all your videos so damn short? I mean, you obviously put a lot of effort into them and drive to faraway places... and then you cut 99.9% of all material and post a video that´s under 3 minutes? I don´t get it, that´s so much effort wasted.
because all of their recent videos are clips taken from an old tv show, called bang goes the theory
I heard of a similar experiment. The researchers rigged a rope test like this, then fixed it so neither could get the food without a humans aid, (like turning a knob) The wolf just got mad and gave up, but the dog went over the the handler and pined for help. The dogs see humans as part of the pack. "I'll use my nose and ears, you use your hands and brain; a winning team."
It's been well studied that domesticated animals tend to be dumber than their wild counterparts. I bet the same thing is happening to humans too.
It's a little how I felt watching this video.
"what's a domesticated human?"
Civilized.
You're pretty dumb, huh?
"So his statement means that uncivilized people are clever than civilised (domesticated) people, okay then."
Yes, en masses at grande aptitude.
Civilization is dysgenia; its selection pressures select for creatures that use to die under barbarian selection pressures..
No. Dogs were bred to augment human abilities, and humans already know well enough how to pull strings.
To Serve Man
Thulean Bullshit, civilized people are more intelligent than savages. It recquires a lot more intelligence to create and maintain tall stone buildings, an advanced law system, tissue fabric, ..., than to hunt, to make primitive hutts or to craft primitive furr clothes.
Intelligence can be lacking in one or more small areas, but extremely high in other areas..this doesn't prove much..plus, how many dogs/wolves were uses..how many times was it repeated..etc
I speak from years of experience. Wolves are much smarter, but hard to train. Wolves are exponentially smarter.
how can they be 'exponentially' smarter
@@rebelfriend1818 she meant by a great deal.
I wonder if you using feral dogs would change the results?
this test was bullsh!t and designed to support her believes.
Here's what I took away from it: The dogs remembered what worked (which is the reason why conditioning works) while the wolf just went with whatever. Just look at the wolf not looking through the fence at all. Also 4 out of 6 is supporting my theory more than hers.
Although this test proves little due to it needing much greater testing, your view needs reconsidering.
Remembering what worked once and repeating that process again and again, even if it doesn't work the next time, is stupid.
4/6, although inconclusive, isn't "whatever". What do you mean the wolf didn't look through the fence? Don't be stupid, they have a much greater FOV than us and they clearly saw the cheese. Otherwise, why go for and pull a random string?
And the fact that there's only 2 choices makes it hard to determine if it's conditioning or random since
1. If it is conditioning and dogs goes to what they think works. You have to swap the ropes randomly and you should get a 50-50% of getting it right.
2. If the wolves are picking randomly then again due to the randomness after enough samples it would again be 50-50%
+Asfandyar Khan 4/6 proves that the wolf didn't understood that he should pick the string connected to the cheese, it looked more like he was just picking it randomly. If he would understood it he would score 6/6.
Also remembering what worked the first time and repeating it (although stupid for ours standards) is more intelligent than just picking randomly
It's because the "test" is designed that way. The Dogs never found out that the string they didn't pick had a reward. Also it was said they preferred one side, meaning they didn't go stupidly 100% of the time to the same, meaning they probably went the next few times after getting something on one to the same again, which is desired behavior in dogs in general. Also the "test" was further flawed in that there probably wasn't a predetermined order, meaning she probably switched the rewards after the dogs found the reward on one "ruining" the score of the dogs and giving her desired results.
And 4/6 is whatever. It's in the standard deviation, although the sample size is too low anyway. Also what burt said, if the wolf understood he would have 6/6.
I think the 4 out of six was in reference to multiple trys by muliple wolves.
In Iran my grandpa adopted an abandoned baby wolf, she was no different than a dog! 90% samething; Loyal, smart, protective...just bigger and stronger than average dogs and had a tendency of hunting that's why my grandpa put her in his farm.
Dogs are the result of deliberated inbreeding due to human intervention in their mating process. As a result some deleterious traits that are suppose to be weeded out by the natural progression in their evolution keep accumulating giving markedly difference that accrue to the diversification into a branch of the species. Some of those deleterious traits must influence the behaviors of the individuals making them more docile and less distrusting of the human as the master. This test perhaps is not set properly to take out the fact that dogs notice the human experimenter intervention and if they are trusty of who their consider their master during the placement of the experiment set, giving a noticeable chance that the mismatch occurred due to the trained cognitive bias in dogs compared to their ancestors the wolves.
**slow clap**
1 major fault in your hypothesis is that inbreeding probably wouldn't have any effect on a dogs IQ after a generation or two of mating with other, distant breeds.
Dogs are a result of 'selective breeding'. This attempts to remove deleterious traits by intervention of the human. IE individuals with undesirable traits would be removed from the breeding pool. Yes, this does reduce genetic variation, however they are not merely 'inbred wolves' - dogs have a very similar lifespan to wolves. You also might want to look up the definition of progeny - you mean ancestor. Being a sesquipedalian as you are, though, primogenitor is probably more appropriate :)
:P
+Raymond Short It all comes down to how you define inbreeding. By the looks of it there was probably some inbreeding between you and Mr. Chang not too long ago.
here's a question for the researcher - did the wolves choose the rope based on the scent they left on the end of it? Did the researcher use a new rope (with no 'old scent') on it for every repetition?
I thought the animals were raised in captivity...
That means it IS about the genetics ("nature")
Moral: If you want an animal to get cheese twisted into a length of rope get a wolf.
But, If you want an animal who will not try to eat you, get a dog.
Simple really.
what kind of scientist is she. you can't declare something with such little testing. what about pure breed dogs? what about other types of dogs? hounds? utility dogs? she didn't do a whole lot of testing to come to the hypothesis
Thats like saying that humans are smarter than aliens/something smart) because of albert Einstein
If the dogs and wolves are being raised in the same conditions, who is unhappy? Are the dogs not getting enough human interaction or are the wolves in enclosures that are too small? How is this being done ethically?
66% is too low to be different from random guessing, so the results so far don't prove that wolves are that much more intelligent. If anything, it could actually prove the opposite--that dogs are intelligent enough to recognize patterns, such as food being on one side instead of the other, even if they're seeing patterns that aren't there.
Dumbest dexification I’ve seen thus far
Wolves are on a different level. All domesticated dogs are essentially “juveniles” as they are all descendants from the wolf. Domesticated dogs in adulthood display behaviors (such as barking) that wolves ditch once past the juvenile stage.
(I didn’t come up with this. This is what I learned from reading science books on canines)
God I love wolves!
dogs learned to do what got them a reward from their master, usually its a trick they have to perform, with the eventual goal of getting the dog to do said trick without a reward or treat.
But we're seeing only one experiment, only one wolf, and only one dog.
I don't think there was just one wolf and one dog. They only showed one of each as an example.
WILTALK Maybe, but we have no way of knowing for sure.
thany3 I believe it was implied.
they just presented an experiment they had already done. this was obviously just for the show and the real experiment they already finished, scientifically hopefully.
are u blind or something? i saw 3 dogs and 2 wolfs doing the experiment, altho its a stupid experiment, they used diferent dogs and diferent wolfes they just didnt show everything
Would a domesticated dog equate food to come from the right hand because humans usually dish it out from that side ?
Lame experiment for views lol
Another factor would be who completed the test faster each time. Id guess the dogs did. They are probably bred to act instantly, knowing that the faster they complete a task the more happy they make the humans. Basically, the dogs view this as another trick, and the wolves view it as gathering food. Which of the two is right?
?? The test is bull!
Why does my min pin get this? She's certainly not a wolf.
Growing up under same conditions, ja ja, tell that to your mirror.
ItsNikoHIMself some dogs are smarter than others
I think it make sense that humans chose loyal wolves over intelligent wolves. It was more important that our wolf dogs be obedient and depend on us than be independent thinkers.
Fascinating study
Most dogs breeds have been through hundres of years of in breeding, thats probably where the doggie IQ started dropping.
I think if the sticks were not pulled away before the dog could try the other one after first taking the one with no cheese attached, they would learn from it, next they would learn to look first after discovering that there is a requirement to get the cheese. The way it is done here it gives no mental challenge, learning.
The primary sense for the dog in this case would be smell so it must learn to look.
Also dogs are of a 'younger' mental age than wolves because it allows a human to control them and instruct them on what to do. It's also one of the reasons dogs and other domestic animals become aggressive sooner because aggression is a trait infants develop early.
Wolf evolve to hunt
Dog evolve to live with human
FACT
I wonder if the results would have been different had they tried different breeds of dogs. Sure, try the smart breeds like a Border Collie or the Golden Retriever but maybe also try some hard-headed breeds (my reasoning is to try this because wolfdogs tend to be hard-headed so maybe that's a sign of being a free thinker) like the Akita or maybe a Husky to see if there is any change.
I have a border collie and I can tell you she many times found my beef jerky stashes and hid the package evidence outside.
wolfs are very intelligent they plan ahead of an attack when in groups, fox and coyotes plan strategies as well, domestic dogs now days are more on feed me human. wild animals are more smarter than domestic ones. but in understanding humans and interacting with them the dog is the smartest ones.
The rain is like the dogs' feelings when they don't get the cheese.
I've heard wolves can figure out how to unlock cages with sliding locks, while dogs can not. Ever hear of this?
Yes, and they can dress up as a human grandma and be quite convincing.
@@frankie7529 call me grandpa
Its actually quite simple similar to humans when animals are enslaved they tend to regress.
Dogs clearly have the advantage when it comes to learning tricks-that makes sense because they've evolved to obey humans.
Where as a wolf is less inclined to learn tricks as its not like a domestic dog-it was built for survival so there smarter then dogs in most manners.
Get a livestock guardian that has been left to guard the animals away from humans. In many countries where sheep and goats are an important commodity, dogs are often out with grazing animals year round. It's up to them to protect the livestock from predictors and all their senses
and their *minds* are on full alert.
I read some peoples experience with LSG. They told that wolves cam after their sheep, a couple LSG distracted the wolves by backing and growling. While the wolves were preparing to attack them, the rest of the LSG circled around and attacked them from behind.
Dogs don't love cheese maybe? They just want the first stick they saw
Tbh I feel like dogs would eventually figure that one out, what is happening is the dogs trust humans to give them food, once they realize they get a piece of cheese by pulling the string, they will continue to go to that same string and if theres not a piece of cheese on the end, I would bet money they look up at the human like "Sup dude? Wheres me cheese?!" After about 10-20 times of getting no cheese, they would try the other string or start using their nose to figure out which string to pull.
Could it be that dog problem solving intelligence has been selectively bred out in order to ease training and improve obedience?
I had an Anatolian Shepherd mix (mostly Anatolian Shepherd though) that I got a treat ball for him. I filled it with treats and showed it to him, rolling it around on the floor for the treats would come out, here and there. He looked at me as if to say "Don't insult my intelligence", put his paw on the ball and shook it so that ALL the treats spilled out in a pile. He then got up and walked off.
Why are all the people defend the dog are such a nerd
Dogs are simply the best at reading humans and human body language, better than most humans. When you think about their jobs, both dogs and wolves couldn’t be better suited.
my dog would be like.. "just give me da cheese already... not playin yo game no mo.... "
Try Street dogs... those are pretty smart and thought ones. Here in chile theres alot of them, and you can see them doing alot of smarty stuff, like for example waiting for the traffic lights to turn green or watch other people to cross the roads, for giving you some examples.
Maybe dogs are right handed or left handed like humans are and so they just always use their dominant paw to paw at things. I never thought about that. Now I'm going to be watching which paw my dog uses.
Domestication as a human concept used in sociology, psychology or political philosophy is much different from the one used in this video as an example of adomestication process with same implicit collateral effects on both animals and humans.
Domestications for humans means better use of self-control, abstract power, thinking etc. without neglecting the fact that this process has affected humans in some negative aspects. Animal domestication Means To Us that they should be useful to our goals.
I wonder what the outcome would be for a dog-wolf hybrid.
The dogs probably just wanted to play with the ropes.
Pretty sure they were after the rope more than the cheese, I mean could have put like a dog treat for the dogs and some freshly killed deer or something for the wolves...
i think the test might vary if different dog breed was chosen, like a german shepherd or a poodle.
Khal Drogo they tested it with very smart breeds Tho , border collies and labs i think
My dog could not even figure out how to grab a rope
Abbie Willcutt
same with mine
my dog crashed into a screen door while trying to get outside
Maybe the dog doesn't care about the cheese and just wants the stick..
My dog will also pick the bigger piece of food when I have two on my hands. I'll try this test and bet he'll get it right
Could you put a link to the scientific papers they published?
Cooked Meat. You are welcome.
You won’t hear this theory out there because for some reason scientists overlook the simple things.
But cooked meats advanced our brains, dogs evolved over time from scavenging off human settlements and in time the relationship was formed and dogs truly evolved.
But one thing that they have had different to wolves is cooked meats and processed foods like bread and grains etc.
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After a period off time does the wolves get release to the wild ?
OMG its such an easy answer on that problem. Domesticated dogs have to do what the owner wants them to do. So they are trained to always do things the same. Wolfs have to think on their own and they know it. Thats all. And both behaviours got their benefits.