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Yes! As a non native speaker of English it's sometimes hard to follow the terms. A simple picture here and there would be much appreciated. Thanks anyway for the great content, been watching a lot of you guy's videos this weekend. So helpful to get a new understanding of all this marketing language and update my outdated knowledge. Been a few years since I ran, this adds to my motivation to get back into it!
@@ristyp This guy rattles off so much stuff so fast, he has all those concepts and ideas in his head and Im like - pause, 5sec pause, 5 sec pause!! HAHA so I can look up the foot structure to see how x and y works and moves. In this video - his multiple descriptions about stability shoes - what the different possible meanings of it means - that really helped me - esp to know one dr got me into the WRONG shoe for sure.
20 years ago stability shoes ruined my runnin adventure due to 'knee pain' When I atarted running I bought the cheapest quality beand shoes. Never had injuries, but wanted to run seriously so did an analysis and needed heavy stabilised shoes with extra inlays. They ran terribly and injuries started, but at the time I did not realize the cause because I did a gait analysis so the shoes could not be the problem. I ended up quitting running. A few years ago I discovered by accident that barefoot (and more recent zero drop) shoes did not gave me any pain. I now run in 'neutral' zero drop shoes and have no more injuries and finally accomplished my Marathon dream. An Ultra is next.
This is a great episode! In a perfect world the dropdown menus wouldn't just include "stability" but at least a few of these more specific terms so that we have a clearer sense of how the shoe does stability. I see far more reviewers talking about "X has a wide base so it's inherently more stable" but as you state, it's more complicated than one single factor. In the meantime, this is a nice glossary!
The amount of depth and complexity in this episode makes it so much clearer why having a simple way to assess whether a shoe will work well for someone (like the RUN-CAT) is so useful!
Thanks for the consistent and deep content! From one PT to another, your content has really helped broaden my understanding of shoe science and challenge my previous biases. Content continues to be both relevant for my patients and peers. Thanks again!
Great info! As the market moves towards softer and taller stacks, I find how brands stabilize a shoe has become a major factor of whether it works for me.
I fortunately have never needed stability shoes (actually got some knee pain when a store clerk talked me into a pair of Hoka arahis), but it’s good to know more about what type of runners might benefit from them and how the tech has changed over the years. Great stuff as always.
This was a great discussion on stability. My stability needs have changed over the years. I no longer run in the Brooks Adrenaline or Hoka Arahi. Thank you for this episode.
Excellent information even for those who do not need a stability shoe. I have enjoyed the Saucony Tempus over the Speed 3 and the Triumph. Just enough pop in the forefoot, not mushy, and I don’t feel like I’m falling off the front of the shoe.
I appreciate the thorough and honest information. This episode is really important with all the max cushion and super-trainers. I haven't needed stability shoes but can really appreciate the different components that make stable neutral shoes. It makes me look at my pair of Rebel v2 in another light.
Thank you for the in depth explanation!! I have always been one of the people who believed i supinate based on the wear on my shoes but have recently started to shift to neutral shoes and have had great luck!! Will give this one a second listen!
Matt, thank you! For years running on neutral shoes and finding out that was the issue of my running knees. Learning new topics from you guys: Pronation, Stability, Side-Wall, Reels, Post, and my mechanics, I know now what type and kind of running shoes I need. From Saucony, Brooks, Puma and ASICS, all stability shoes that work for my running mechanics. All reviews I watch here. Next, please talk about any new carbon-plated shoes for stability-needed runners.
Great video podcast! Thank you for putting this together! I am an a heavy pronator and have for a long time been dependent on medial posting. Your video does a great job explaining how stability shoes are moving towards guidance and as an ATC I connected really well with your explanation of how the changes in shoe structure affect biomechanics and joint movement. I 100% agree with you in the importance of building dynamic strength and stability with the work that you put in outside of your runs. I’ve been incorporating a lot of eccentric strengthening, proprioception and plyometrics to my weekly training which has helped me tremendously in being able to tolerate neutral to neutral stable shoes. I’m excited to share this video podcast with so many PTs that I work with.
@@user-vk2ei5ze4y First I have to say that everyone is built and moves differently so I would definitely recommend working with a Certified Athletic Trainer or Licensed Physical Therapist to best address your needs. For me personally, I like to integrate exercises that can help improve dynamic strength and positioning of the foot through the gait cycle and reduce the degree of foot/ankle pronation and tibial internal rotation I experience. Exercises I use target intrinsic muscles of the foot as well as supporting muscles in joints proximal (or above the foot/ankle). Some of my favorites are: Toe towel curls, toe marble/pebble pick ups, single leg balance, eccentric heel raises, toe raises, hip clam shells, lateral band walks, reverse lunges and single leg RDLs. Proper positioning and progression over time is important for these exercises so again I do recommend working with a qualified healthcare professional. I hope this was helpful!
Excellent episode, very clear concepts. As a "former overpronator" it has been difficult to pick shoes with stability elements. I begin in 2006 with motion control shoes and nowadays I can utilize neutral/mild stability shoes, this putting hard work on my feet to get them stronger year after year. (I've wear almost every type of shoe system you mentioned 😂)
Wow. Wow. Just WOW. I'm speechless. Thabknyou so much for gathering and bringing all this info to us. I stand reassured that buying A LOT ofbrunning shoes to sample the best for my running is the right way. But buying mindfully. What I found is since I pronate mildly (some loose upper shoes my foot slips inwards and off sole) and since I'm heavy I need a bit stiffer midsole - so it gives me some stability and doesn’t bottom down as I gait. All in all today I use Adidas Boston 12 as a daily/tempo trainer, the not audience beloved Boston 11 as a stability version of B12 (400km run), and some other shoes as niche rotations (Nimbus 25 tonrecovery, Asics Noosa Tri 15 and Takumi Sen 8 as racing shoes). And getting to this setting took me a lot of rewiew watchingbat YT and reading, and beyond that... using the shoe for 6 months. Rewiews are awesome, but nothing replaces 6 months training over a shoe on good days and bad days. And I have patelar chondromalacy (hope english spelling is right) and I as such I worry about knee and hip ... always thought about my shoes as gear to full gait movement. Thanks for lots of info and showing I'm in the right direction. Very reassuring, indeed! ❤🇧🇷👏💪
Another bit over the Adidas Boston Cluncky Brick 11: it started firmer and got softer after 100k, but is still firm. The heel cup is hard (doesn't bother me at all) and the upper cage does a really good grip at the top of my foot. This contributes superbly to my stability. I tried a stability shoe with medial densr foam, and another with a "bump" midfoot to "help transitioning heel to toe ", but O found that pressing the arch of my foot gives me cramps...... After trying again and again I know how to feel the drip profile; hard to explain but I know some simply doesn't work for me.
I've worn Adidas Supernova stability shoes, but now that I've switch to Ecco Biom, there's just a huge difference. It's also guiding the foot, but guiding it to be more natural in its motion, and it's been very comfortable for my swollen and arthritic feet.
As always loving the in depth analysis of the human anatomy and movement and using that information to give people a better idea for what shoe works for them!
Another great podcast. I really appreciate the level you go to explain stability options. One area that wasn't particularly mentioned but has been very important to me in stability is the overall firmness of the shoe (not stiffness). I've found shoes that compress too much contribute to my previous achilles, plantar fasciitis, and calf problems. For me, if a shoe locks my foot in well and it has the right blend of cushion and firmness I'm in a good spot and all these stabiity devices like posts, guid rails etc. don't really matter. We are in a period of soft is the trend so factoring this into the discussion I think would be beneficial. Finding firmer options is actually hard these days.
Great synopsis of the trajectory over time of how manufacturers attempt to control motion. I’ve always worn neutral shoes but been following the change from medial posts to guidance rails to now this phenomena of ‘Wear what feels comfortable.’ Super interesting podcast and synopsis!
My entry for the RW gift card. Your take on adding orthotics to stability shoes was spot on. Early on in my running journey, I was convinced by a Road Runner Sports employee that one of their custom insoles paired with the Mizuno Wave Inspire (version 9 I believe) would be the right fit for me. After using the combo for a week, I returned the insoles for a full refund. I also found that my running style did not like stability shoes. Neutral shoes work much better for me. Thanks for your content and the great advice on each video and podcast.
Amazing content. This is really helpful. I always love the videos from doctors of running. It helps me learn more about my own biomechanics and guides me in the nuances of running and running shoes. Thank you guys so much for doing what you do!
Matt! Great podcast! Really enjoyed a well rounded intro to the multifaceted world of “stability “. It will benefit all levels of runners as the word “stability “ is so overused, no one knows what it is any more! My person take on “stability “ is how shoes increase or decrease my pronation. Shoes that I felt made me pronate more (Magnify 2, Triumph20, Topo Specter and Cyclone 2) will not work for me, and the ones that don’t ( Novablast 4, Supernova Rise, Revel V4) tend to be keepers.
I have flat feet and used to think I need stability shoes. Then I went to a running store and they analyzed my feet motion, to my surprise I don't over pronate at all. By that I realized there are much more than just what (you think) you know pronation, and best to try out different shoes.
Running the Reykjavik marathon this summer! So I’m looking for some new sneaks. Your videos are so insightful, thanks for all the helpful tips and info!
Fantastic video! As someone with a more unusual form/ cause of pronation (stiff high arch but with ankle rolling inwards anyway due to hip/ femur rotation issues) I struggle with shoe selection a lot. Anything with a flexible heel counter leads to lateral compartment pain over time, and a very wide midfoot make sidewalls (lateral ones in particular) challenging 😢
This was spot on! Super helpful! I have post tib caused by crossing the mid line which causes me to land too far laterally and pronate too fast. Started wearing kayano 30 as the rocker helps and I need a higher drop, but the foam is a bit soft as it breaks in. I’m hoping to move to a stable neutral shoe.
Interesting! I think I have been over-prescribed (or even mis-prescribed) stability shoes in the past. Slowly increased volume and have been able to say goodbye to my Asics GT2000s. Now can run in neutral and even less stable shoes (e.g. speed work in Endorphin Speed 2, Takumi Sen).
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I broke my foot about 10 years ago. I spent like 6 years walking in stability shoes (gt 2000 and kayano). Never could really run. Then I decided to go to minimalist shoes (xero shoes) to try to strengthen my feet. Now I walk in minimalist shoes and run in neutral shoes with no pain.
Try Ecco Biom. Massively underrated. Literally made for triathletes, and have been worn by many to compete in triathlons. Switched from Adidas Supernova ST and Solar Glide ST to ECCO Biom, and it's just better for me at least. Immediate comfort.
Your channel seems to one of the only ones talking bout sole flare. Forefoot lateral sole flare is my nemesis on many of the new shoes especially certain trail Altras, Hoka Mach 5 and Topos. The lateral flare up front is so wide on these models that it cants my foot inwards even when just standing there let along running. Other brands seems to have figured out to offset that with a medial forefoot flare. Lots of flare! and kind of maddening. In the meantime, I'll stick with narrow models like Altra Rivera
I have been using barefoot shoes for walking and best decision I have made, been wearing the Hykes Flex and love how they feel, once you get used to them you will never go back to regular shoes.
Over did it in training, I'm 6 weeks out from my race, suffering from tib post, tried on the kayano 30, felt amazing. Tried on the guide 17 and felt horrible. Found a deal on the kayano and will prob pull the trigger.
I agree that orthotics used to be overprescribed. I still think that mine did more harm than good, and took me a while to run without them (it was almost like a vicious circle: trying to run without them would cause discomfort and aches of different intensity, which would lead me to go back to inserting the orthotics or even purchasing new ones, and back to square one) .
Another great episode on one of my favorite topics as someone who overpronates quite a bit! Will you guys be covering the topic of Zone 2 running soon? I’d love to hear everyone’s opinions on how effective it is.
My entry for the RW Gift Cars, for a stability shoe, I need it to be light to moderate because I have ankle instability. I still need to do strength training for my ankle but overall, I feel like you should need pronation.
Didn’t care much about what shoes to wear until today 😅 Learned a lot and should care about our feet 🦶 with this kind of informative and educational free videos 🏃🏻♀️🏃🏻♂️❤️🙏🏼 Thanks for a giveaway as well and hope I win 👟🎁
Thank you for this! Very informative. I have never heard such a thorough breakdown of stability needs etc. I have been wondering if I can try a neutral shoe based on some things that have been happening to me, and this helped lean me in that direction.
Great episode. Its always fun to see the science placed above the feel and emotion. I wonder what products do you review that emotion or feeling plays a greater role than the science, and are you aware of that and occasionally call each other out on that? Either way keep it coming love the show.
Great video!!! I have hypermoblity and use custome inner soles I have tried a couple of shoes-Asics gel cumulus 26-saucony ride 17, new balance v13 etc Shoes with a higher stack hight seems to not work for me I use the asics gel pursue 9 as a daily trainer which really works for me..have done a couple of half marathons and basically do all my runs in them Have you tried this shoe? I am looking for a shoe with lower stack height with neutral stability capabilities for tempo runs and races (carbon plated shoes dont work me iether) Dont think the brooks hyperion is available in my country Thank you for the great videos! However looking
Listened to this podcast at my running store I work in. And MY GOD was there a lot of stuff I follow really well. Having the shoes also to look at while working in a dead store only made this podcast even more fun! Is there any way I can get in direct contact with you, Matt, in a real time conversation type communication? I would love to just have an elaborate conversation about anything running related, especially stability running shoes!
Nice one. Informative as always. The issue that is irritating us as retailers here at The Complete Runner (Ilkley UK) is that , as you have pointed out inthe video, brands are addressing support/stability differently to previous BUT retaining the name of the model. I can understand why they do this.They want to retain customers who have been loyal users of that model. Only then to find the new version with different support methodology does not suit them. One clear example is Asics Kayano. But 361 Kairos has changed similarly taking away the medial support and reaplacing it wth a wider platform and different "geometry". Guide similarly. Why don't the brands just admit the franchise model is NOT the same and give it a fresh name altogether!? Terry Lonergan
Great conversation. As someone born with significant orthopedic issues I’ve lived in orthotics though adult and as an adult realized they made my one flat foot weaker. Trail running and weight training helped strengthen my legs and foot more until last year taking the year off higher impact activities made my flat foot weaker again. All my running shoes have not worked still on the hunt for the best running shoes for my over pronation flat foot (only one). My other foot can basically run in anything. Appreciate this conversation and comparison of these shoes. So far brooks and saucony have been the most comfortable but not for distance. And I wear through my shoes faster than most. I love my trail shoes the best altra and ASICS but they are too heavy for regular running. The most simple Reebok 2.0 workout shoe is my go to training (cross training) shoe also. What running shoe is best for talocrural support?
Great content as ever and superb interesting for all stability shoe wearers. One question is I am not sure I have seen you review True Motion shoes - they are said to be for all runners (whether you over pronate, neutral or supinate) I would be interested in your thought on those.
Hey Matt, I have a hypothesis that 'stability' shoes (esp ones which have medial post or firmer medial midsole) are pushing my feet to supinate / go laterally, thereby leading to more lateral sprains. I've had a lot of ankle sprains and mostly while using 'stability' shoes. I couldn't find any research on this, have you seen anything or have any perspectives?
Yes! There is no research but clinical experience and basic biomechanics suggests that too much medial support will push you laterally It is why I prefer stable neutral shoes as those usually have guidance on both sides, rather than just one.
Hey Matt , great video! I suffer the exact issues you do with years of post tib pain where I can’t run for more than 5kms at a time without severe pain for days after, have had orthotics made each year and the exact same pain exists - I’m now going to get rid of orthotics and run with a stability shoe to try and see if this works better with less solid pressure. Would love to know what you currently run in, I am torn between possibly Kayano 30 and Brooks Glycerin GTS?? Also heard Tempus but I need a wide shoe and they don’t seem to come in D width?
I’ve been diagnosed with supination, and this episode is soo helpful to know what to look for in shoes. Is it possible to minimize the impact from supination by strength training?
Yes! Supination describes a motion not a pathology. It is only a problem if you don’t have control over it or the strength to do so. Strength training, especially single leg activities, should help! -Matt
The Vongo V4 was just horrible to walk in. Countless times I twisted my ankle on cobblestone because if there was a small hole or difference between where I was stepping in the inner side of the shoe and the lateral, it would just push my foot outward. Luckily, I'm quick to respond to excessive supination and I immediately did a little jump to get myself out of it, but those shoes were a frigging nightmare. They worked relatively well while running, but walking in them? Big NO. I've got a question related to myself: I pronate more with my right foot compared to the left (despite my left leg being the one who absorbs more impact) and I was told that my pronation velocity is high but the resupination is also fast. I typically do not have any pain running in neutral shoes (I train in Saucony Triumph mostly) but as I pick up the pace and do quicker stuff I often feel discomfort in my right foot, particularly the plantar fascia (I feel like it overstretches and the best way I can describe it is like it almost rips apart). Both of my feet have a slight bunyon and short extensors digitorums that keep my toes upward if I'm not applying my body weight. They've also told me I tend to push off slightly sideways because my big toes do not really participate much in the push off phase of my running. I would really love to come to your clinic but I live in Europe so that's unfeasible for me. What would you suggest I wear for faster workouts? I've had a pair of DS Trainer 26 but they're at the end of their lifecycle and I don't really know what else it out there aside from maybe the Tempus (which is heavier though). I never race faster than 4:00/km.
I had a misconception about stability shoes before. I thought that my foot would be "weaker" since the stability shoe provides a lot of artificial support thus preventing my foot's natural movement.
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can you recommend daily shoes for flat feet and overpronation?
its hard to wear running shoes daily. (ex. school or work)
There is so much info here - animated graphics would be GREAT for this show.
Yes! As a non native speaker of English it's sometimes hard to follow the terms. A simple picture here and there would be much appreciated. Thanks anyway for the great content, been watching a lot of you guy's videos this weekend. So helpful to get a new understanding of all this marketing language and update my outdated knowledge. Been a few years since I ran, this adds to my motivation to get back into it!
@@ristyp This guy rattles off so much stuff so fast, he has all those concepts and ideas in his head and Im like - pause, 5sec pause, 5 sec pause!! HAHA so I can look up the foot structure to see how x and y works and moves. In this video - his multiple descriptions about stability shoes - what the different possible meanings of it means - that really helped me - esp to know one dr got me into the WRONG shoe for sure.
@@WadeSmart Watch it twice. Trust me. Trust you.
I watched this twice, second time searched Google for terms, it was easy. What he shared here is what no one provides. It is really helpful
Potentially one of my favorite saying about running "you'll never learn too much" well said!
I started out with stability shoes but now can run in a wider variety of styles. My most stable marathon racer is the Adios Pro 3.
You try Saucony endorphin elite?
@@Spearfishingboy I have not, but I tried the EP3s and they were too unstable for my mechanics.
20 years ago stability shoes ruined my runnin adventure due to 'knee pain' When I atarted running I bought the cheapest quality beand shoes. Never had injuries, but wanted to run seriously so did an analysis and needed heavy stabilised shoes with extra inlays. They ran terribly and injuries started, but at the time I did not realize the cause because I did a gait analysis so the shoes could not be the problem. I ended up quitting running. A few years ago I discovered by accident that barefoot (and more recent zero drop) shoes did not gave me any pain. I now run in 'neutral' zero drop shoes and have no more injuries and finally accomplished my Marathon dream. An Ultra is next.
This is a great episode! In a perfect world the dropdown menus wouldn't just include "stability" but at least a few of these more specific terms so that we have a clearer sense of how the shoe does stability. I see far more reviewers talking about "X has a wide base so it's inherently more stable" but as you state, it's more complicated than one single factor. In the meantime, this is a nice glossary!
The amount of depth and complexity in this episode makes it so much clearer why having a simple way to assess whether a shoe will work well for someone (like the RUN-CAT) is so useful!
Very informative, as a flat foot runner it’s hard to find valuable content like this! Thanks
Thanks for the consistent and deep content! From one PT to another, your content has really helped broaden my understanding of shoe science and challenge my previous biases. Content continues to be both relevant for my patients and peers. Thanks again!
Great info! As the market moves towards softer and taller stacks, I find how brands stabilize a shoe has become a major factor of whether it works for me.
This is truly the video I have been waiting for!!
LOVE this "stable neutral" category of shoes that has been popping up
I fortunately have never needed stability shoes (actually got some knee pain when a store clerk talked me into a pair of Hoka arahis), but it’s good to know more about what type of runners might benefit from them and how the tech has changed over the years. Great stuff as always.
This was a great discussion on stability. My stability needs have changed over the years. I no longer run in the Brooks Adrenaline or Hoka Arahi. Thank you for this episode.
I’ve learned so much about stability in running shoes from DoR. Really changed how I think about it. Keep up the great work!
Excellent information even for those who do not need a stability shoe. I have enjoyed the Saucony Tempus over the Speed 3 and the Triumph. Just enough pop in the forefoot, not mushy, and I don’t feel like I’m falling off the front of the shoe.
I appreciate the thorough and honest information. This episode is really important with all the max cushion and super-trainers. I haven't needed stability shoes but can really appreciate the different components that make stable neutral shoes. It makes me look at my pair of Rebel v2 in another light.
This is one of my top favorite episodes. Would love if you could talk stability w/ Dr. Burns and midsole foam technology.
Thank you for the in depth explanation!! I have always been one of the people who believed i supinate based on the wear on my shoes but have recently started to shift to neutral shoes and have had great luck!! Will give this one a second listen!
Matt, thank you! For years running on neutral shoes and finding out that was the issue of my running knees. Learning new topics from you guys: Pronation, Stability, Side-Wall, Reels, Post, and my mechanics, I know now what type and kind of running shoes I need. From Saucony, Brooks, Puma and ASICS, all stability shoes that work for my running mechanics. All reviews I watch here. Next, please talk about any new carbon-plated shoes for stability-needed runners.
Noted!! -Matt
Dropping in a comment for the RW contest. And the algorithm. 😏 Big thanks to Doctors of Running for all of the helpful and thorough info!
Finally understand sidewalls and sole flare!!! Thank you!
Great video podcast! Thank you for putting this together! I am an a heavy pronator and have for a long time been dependent on medial posting. Your video does a great job explaining how stability shoes are moving towards guidance and as an ATC I connected really well with your explanation of how the changes in shoe structure affect biomechanics and joint movement. I 100% agree with you in the importance of building dynamic strength and stability with the work that you put in outside of your runs. I’ve been incorporating a lot of eccentric strengthening, proprioception and plyometrics to my weekly training which has helped me tremendously in being able to tolerate neutral to neutral stable shoes. I’m excited to share this video podcast with so many PTs that I work with.
May i ask what kind of exercises you do to strengthen your feet? Also a heavy pronator
@@user-vk2ei5ze4y First I have to say that everyone is built and moves differently so I would definitely recommend working with a Certified Athletic Trainer or Licensed Physical Therapist to best address your needs. For me personally, I like to integrate exercises that can help improve dynamic strength and positioning of the foot through the gait cycle and reduce the degree of foot/ankle pronation and tibial internal rotation I experience. Exercises I use target intrinsic muscles of the foot as well as supporting muscles in joints proximal (or above the foot/ankle). Some of my favorites are: Toe towel curls, toe marble/pebble pick ups, single leg balance, eccentric heel raises, toe raises, hip clam shells, lateral band walks, reverse lunges and single leg RDLs. Proper positioning and progression over time is important for these exercises so again I do recommend working with a qualified healthcare professional. I hope this was helpful!
Excellent episode, very clear concepts. As a "former overpronator" it has been difficult to pick shoes with stability elements. I begin in 2006 with motion control shoes and nowadays I can utilize neutral/mild stability shoes, this putting hard work on my feet to get them stronger year after year. (I've wear almost every type of shoe system you mentioned 😂)
This is a great episode. As a stability runner it feels so limited.
Wow. Wow. Just WOW. I'm speechless. Thabknyou so much for gathering and bringing all this info to us. I stand reassured that buying A LOT ofbrunning shoes to sample the best for my running is the right way. But buying mindfully. What I found is since I pronate mildly (some loose upper shoes my foot slips inwards and off sole) and since I'm heavy I need a bit stiffer midsole - so it gives me some stability and doesn’t bottom down as I gait.
All in all today I use Adidas Boston 12 as a daily/tempo trainer, the not audience beloved Boston 11 as a stability version of B12 (400km run), and some other shoes as niche rotations (Nimbus 25 tonrecovery, Asics Noosa Tri 15 and Takumi Sen 8 as racing shoes).
And getting to this setting took me a lot of rewiew watchingbat YT and reading, and beyond that... using the shoe for 6 months.
Rewiews are awesome, but nothing replaces 6 months training over a shoe on good days and bad days.
And I have patelar chondromalacy (hope english spelling is right) and I as such I worry about knee and hip ... always thought about my shoes as gear to full gait movement.
Thanks for lots of info and showing I'm in the right direction.
Very reassuring, indeed! ❤🇧🇷👏💪
Another bit over the Adidas Boston Cluncky Brick 11: it started firmer and got softer after 100k, but is still firm. The heel cup is hard (doesn't bother me at all) and the upper cage does a really good grip at the top of my foot. This contributes superbly to my stability.
I tried a stability shoe with medial densr foam, and another with a "bump" midfoot to "help transitioning heel to toe ", but O found that pressing the arch of my foot gives me cramps...... After trying again and again I know how to feel the drip profile; hard to explain but I know some simply doesn't work for me.
Great information about running and running shoes that I’ve never heard anywhere else!
Thanks for the information! I was always confused about what to look for in a running shoe, and now i feel like i know!
Thank you Matt! This is the most insightful information I have heard about running stability shoes.
I've worn Adidas Supernova stability shoes, but now that I've switch to Ecco Biom, there's just a huge difference. It's also guiding the foot, but guiding it to be more natural in its motion, and it's been very comfortable for my swollen and arthritic feet.
Awesome episode! As a stability runner I always appreciate and value the information you guys provide.
As always loving the in depth analysis of the human anatomy and movement and using that information to give people a better idea for what shoe works for them!
Another great podcast. I really appreciate the level you go to explain stability options. One area that wasn't particularly mentioned but has been very important to me in stability is the overall firmness of the shoe (not stiffness). I've found shoes that compress too much contribute to my previous achilles, plantar fasciitis, and calf problems. For me, if a shoe locks my foot in well and it has the right blend of cushion and firmness I'm in a good spot and all these stabiity devices like posts, guid rails etc. don't really matter. We are in a period of soft is the trend so factoring this into the discussion I think would be beneficial. Finding firmer options is actually hard these days.
Could u recommend me some shoes?? If shoes are too firm then my feet hurt and if they are too plush then my ankles feel so unstable 🙁
Great synopsis of the trajectory over time of how manufacturers attempt to control motion. I’ve always worn neutral shoes but been following the change from medial posts to guidance rails to now this phenomena of ‘Wear what feels comfortable.’ Super interesting podcast and synopsis!
Thank you for all the amazing valuable information in your podcasts!!!
My entry for the RW gift card. Your take on adding orthotics to stability shoes was spot on. Early on in my running journey, I was convinced by a Road Runner Sports employee that one of their custom insoles paired with the Mizuno Wave Inspire (version 9 I believe) would be the right fit for me. After using the combo for a week, I returned the insoles for a full refund. I also found that my running style did not like stability shoes. Neutral shoes work much better for me. Thanks for your content and the great advice on each video and podcast.
Thanks for another educational and informative episode. I know this is the kind of information I can't easily find anywhere else.
Excellent info… and I appreciate how you always talk about nuance and an individuals experience.
Amazing content. This is really helpful. I always love the videos from doctors of running. It helps me learn more about my own biomechanics and guides me in the nuances of running and running shoes. Thank you guys so much for doing what you do!
thank you for the content, I listened to the podcast, but going to re-watch this as you have a lot of great info and good education here.
Love this. I have all the issues and appreciate this information!
Thank you for the content! There is so much more information about shoes than meets the eye
Matt! Great podcast! Really enjoyed a well rounded intro to the multifaceted world of “stability “. It will benefit all levels of runners as the word “stability “ is so overused, no one knows what it is any more! My person take on “stability “ is how shoes increase or decrease my pronation. Shoes that I felt made me pronate more (Magnify 2, Triumph20, Topo Specter and Cyclone 2) will not work for me, and the ones that don’t ( Novablast 4, Supernova Rise, Revel V4) tend to be keepers.
So much awesome information. Thank you for explaining the support shoe!
Great explanation of all things stability! I have always been told I supinate, but apparently that is wrong (probably).
I have flat feet and used to think I need stability shoes. Then I went to a running store and they analyzed my feet motion, to my surprise I don't over pronate at all. By that I realized there are much more than just what (you think) you know pronation, and best to try out different shoes.
Running the Reykjavik marathon this summer! So I’m looking for some new sneaks. Your videos are so insightful, thanks for all the helpful tips and info!
Try Ecco Biom. Definitely underrated.
Super informative. I don't think I need stability, but I still don't really know what works best for me having only tried a limited number of shoes.
This is, without doubt, the most informative video on the subject I have ever watched. I shall signpost others to this in the future.
Thank you!
Thank you!
What a star. This information is super helpful.
Fantastic video! As someone with a more unusual form/ cause of pronation (stiff high arch but with ankle rolling inwards anyway due to hip/ femur rotation issues) I struggle with shoe selection a lot. Anything with a flexible heel counter leads to lateral compartment pain over time, and a very wide midfoot make sidewalls (lateral ones in particular) challenging 😢
This was spot on! Super helpful! I have post tib caused by crossing the mid line which causes me to land too far laterally and pronate too fast. Started wearing kayano 30 as the rocker helps and I need a higher drop, but the foam is a bit soft as it breaks in. I’m hoping to move to a stable neutral shoe.
Interesting! I think I have been over-prescribed (or even mis-prescribed) stability shoes in the past. Slowly increased volume and have been able to say goodbye to my Asics GT2000s. Now can run in neutral and even less stable shoes (e.g. speed work in Endorphin Speed 2, Takumi Sen).
Super helpful info! Thanks for putting out this video.
Thanks, Jessy! Also, congratulations! You are our giveaway winner for this week's video. Send us a message at doctorsofrunning@gmail.com (mention your username in the email) and we'll get you set up with your Running Warehouse $100 giftcard!
Great episode, thank you so much!!
I broke my foot about 10 years ago. I spent like 6 years walking in stability shoes (gt 2000 and kayano). Never could really run. Then I decided to go to minimalist shoes (xero shoes) to try to strengthen my feet. Now I walk in minimalist shoes and run in neutral shoes with no pain.
Try Ecco Biom. Massively underrated. Literally made for triathletes, and have been worn by many to compete in triathlons. Switched from Adidas Supernova ST and Solar Glide ST to ECCO Biom, and it's just better for me at least. Immediate comfort.
Excellent, informative video. Thank you.
Excellent information. Thought I knew quite a bit about stability but still learned a ton here!
Learned so much from this thank you!!
Great episode Matt thank you
Your channel seems to one of the only ones talking bout sole flare. Forefoot lateral sole flare is my nemesis on many of the new shoes especially certain trail Altras, Hoka Mach 5 and Topos. The lateral flare up front is so wide on these models that it cants my foot inwards even when just standing there let along running. Other brands seems to have figured out to offset that with a medial forefoot flare. Lots of flare! and kind of maddening. In the meantime, I'll stick with narrow models like Altra Rivera
I have been using barefoot shoes for walking and best decision I have made, been wearing the Hykes Flex and love how they feel, once you get used to them you will never go back to regular shoes.
Really great explanation!
Over did it in training, I'm 6 weeks out from my race, suffering from tib post, tried on the kayano 30, felt amazing. Tried on the guide 17 and felt horrible.
Found a deal on the kayano and will prob pull the trigger.
I agree that orthotics used to be overprescribed. I still think that mine did more harm than good, and took me a while to run without them (it was almost like a vicious circle: trying to run without them would cause discomfort and aches of different intensity, which would lead me to go back to inserting the orthotics or even purchasing new ones, and back to square one) .
Another great episode on one of my favorite topics as someone who overpronates quite a bit! Will you guys be covering the topic of Zone 2 running soon? I’d love to hear everyone’s opinions on how effective it is.
Gold mine of information. Thank you so much 😊
Thank you for the information!
Very informative as always…every video I learn something new.
My entry for the RW Gift Cars, for a stability shoe, I need it to be light to moderate because I have ankle instability. I still need to do strength training for my ankle but overall, I feel like you should need pronation.
I’ve never needed stability shoes (I don’t pronate or supinate), but have worn ones, especially trail shoes that have light stability.
Great stuff! My personal favorite is the kayano 30
Feel good but not easy to run fast, better for lsd
Great episode! Animations or even a model of a foot would have made it even better. ❤
Didn’t care much about what shoes to wear until today 😅 Learned a lot and should care about our feet 🦶 with this kind of informative and educational free videos 🏃🏻♀️🏃🏻♂️❤️🙏🏼 Thanks for a giveaway as well and hope I win 👟🎁
have the guide 16 and love them
Great info!
You're right we all got different movement patterns
Always interesting and learned something new!
Thank you for this! Very informative. I have never heard such a thorough breakdown of stability needs etc. I have been wondering if I can try a neutral shoe based on some things that have been happening to me, and this helped lean me in that direction.
so much good info
Learned lots! My favorite, sadly discontinued, shoe was a stability racing shoe (NB 1500 😢)
Great episode. Its always fun to see the science placed above the feel and emotion. I wonder what products do you review that emotion or feeling plays a greater role than the science, and are you aware of that and occasionally call each other out on that? Either way keep it coming love the show.
This was amazing!!! Thank you so much!!
Great video!!!
I have hypermoblity and use custome inner soles
I have tried a couple of shoes-Asics gel cumulus 26-saucony ride 17, new balance v13 etc
Shoes with a higher stack hight seems to not work for me
I use the asics gel pursue 9 as a daily trainer which really works for me..have done a couple of half marathons and basically do all my runs in them
Have you tried this shoe?
I am looking for a shoe with lower stack height with neutral stability capabilities for tempo runs and races (carbon plated shoes dont work me iether)
Dont think the brooks hyperion is available in my country
Thank you for the great videos!
However looking
Stability shoes ftw! Asics Kayano 💯
offset midsoles would seem the logical method, lets foot move as intended while that slight deeper medial side works as a passive post.
Listened to this podcast at my running store I work in. And MY GOD was there a lot of stuff I follow really well. Having the shoes also to look at while working in a dead store only made this podcast even more fun!
Is there any way I can get in direct contact with you, Matt, in a real time conversation type communication?
I would love to just have an elaborate conversation about anything running related, especially stability running shoes!
Tough time right now, but feel free to email us at doctorsofrunning@gmail.com
Thanks for the info and opportunity to win shoes! Your content is very appreciated
Nice one. Informative as always. The issue that is irritating us as retailers here at The Complete Runner (Ilkley UK) is that , as you have pointed out inthe video, brands are addressing support/stability differently to previous BUT retaining the name of the model. I can understand why they do this.They want to retain customers who have been loyal users of that model. Only then to find the new version with different support methodology does not suit them. One clear example is Asics Kayano. But 361 Kairos has changed similarly taking away the medial support and reaplacing it wth a wider platform and different "geometry". Guide similarly. Why don't the brands just admit the franchise model is NOT the same and give it a fresh name altogether!? Terry Lonergan
Great conversation. As someone born with significant orthopedic issues I’ve lived in orthotics though adult and as an adult realized they made my one flat foot weaker. Trail running and weight training helped strengthen my legs and foot more until last year taking the year off higher impact activities made my flat foot weaker again. All my running shoes have not worked still on the hunt for the best running shoes for my over pronation flat foot (only one). My other foot can basically run in anything. Appreciate this conversation and comparison of these shoes. So far brooks and saucony have been the most comfortable but not for distance. And I wear through my shoes faster than most. I love my trail shoes the best altra and ASICS but they are too heavy for regular running. The most simple Reebok 2.0 workout shoe is my go to training (cross training) shoe also. What running shoe is best for talocrural support?
Great content as ever and superb interesting for all stability shoe wearers. One question is I am not sure I have seen you review True Motion shoes - they are said to be for all runners (whether you over pronate, neutral or supinate) I would be interested in your thought on those.
Very informative 👍🏻 maybe a separate video on gaviota 5 H frame or shoes for rigid, high arch feet?
Hey Matt, I have a hypothesis that 'stability' shoes (esp ones which have medial post or firmer medial midsole) are pushing my feet to supinate / go laterally, thereby leading to more lateral sprains. I've had a lot of ankle sprains and mostly while using 'stability' shoes. I couldn't find any research on this, have you seen anything or have any perspectives?
Yes! There is no research but clinical experience and basic biomechanics suggests that too much medial support will push you laterally
It is why I prefer stable neutral shoes as those usually have guidance on both sides, rather than just one.
Thank you! I had this feeling but couldn't verify. Agree, neutral stable is the way to go (generally).
Hey Matt , great video! I suffer the exact issues you do with years of post tib pain where I can’t run for more than 5kms at a time without severe pain for days after, have had orthotics made each year and the exact same pain exists - I’m now going to get rid of orthotics and run with a stability shoe to try and see if this works better with less solid pressure.
Would love to know what you currently run in, I am torn between possibly Kayano 30 and Brooks Glycerin GTS?? Also heard Tempus but I need a wide shoe and they don’t seem to come in D width?
What strength work helped you adapt to use other shoes? Thanks
I’ve been diagnosed with supination, and this episode is soo helpful to know what to look for in shoes. Is it possible to minimize the impact from supination by strength training?
Yes! Supination describes a motion not a pathology. It is only a problem if you don’t have control over it or the strength to do so. Strength training, especially single leg activities, should help! -Matt
nothing will ever beat the Saucony Tempus
Do you feel the arch is prominent?
The Vongo V4 was just horrible to walk in. Countless times I twisted my ankle on cobblestone because if there was a small hole or difference between where I was stepping in the inner side of the shoe and the lateral, it would just push my foot outward. Luckily, I'm quick to respond to excessive supination and I immediately did a little jump to get myself out of it, but those shoes were a frigging nightmare. They worked relatively well while running, but walking in them? Big NO.
I've got a question related to myself: I pronate more with my right foot compared to the left (despite my left leg being the one who absorbs more impact) and I was told that my pronation velocity is high but the resupination is also fast. I typically do not have any pain running in neutral shoes (I train in Saucony Triumph mostly) but as I pick up the pace and do quicker stuff I often feel discomfort in my right foot, particularly the plantar fascia (I feel like it overstretches and the best way I can describe it is like it almost rips apart). Both of my feet have a slight bunyon and short extensors digitorums that keep my toes upward if I'm not applying my body weight. They've also told me I tend to push off slightly sideways because my big toes do not really participate much in the push off phase of my running.
I would really love to come to your clinic but I live in Europe so that's unfeasible for me.
What would you suggest I wear for faster workouts? I've had a pair of DS Trainer 26 but they're at the end of their lifecycle and I don't really know what else it out there aside from maybe the Tempus (which is heavier though). I never race faster than 4:00/km.
Love the podcast.. hoping for the GIVEAWAY!
I had a misconception about stability shoes before. I thought that my foot would be "weaker" since the stability shoe provides a lot of artificial support thus preventing my foot's natural movement.