Any idea on release dates for the controller? Also can you use it minus the heating element? I rarely use heating, only when I am making a saison or using a kveik yeast. Otherwise very interested in trying 3 units.
Great walk-through! I really don't understand the infatuation with 1.5" TC ports. A 1.5" TC port is overkill for an analog pressure gauge, safety PRV, blow-off pipe, spunding valve, thermowell, sample valve, glycol port, ... The X3 lid is so crowded. A 1.5" TC port is too small for a hop drop. The hop drop should be on an 8" to 3" or 8" to 4" adapter cap. There was plenty of real estate on the X3 lid for the 8" TC main port and four smaller TC ports. Interesting decision to forgo a racking valve. I like that you followed Brewtools lead with the welded lid, 8" TC main lid port, glycol jacket and 2" TC cone port to accept a heating element. With the X4, take a look at the Brewtools F-series lid ports.
this subject certainly did come up during the design process but It's really not an issue with the 1.5" TC as the concentric 1.5" to 2" TC reducers are quite cheap. Also we were really running out of space on the top of the unitank so we didn't really have a lot of options in that respect.
For the 14 gallon version, what would be the minimum batch size for effective jacket cooling? Could you do a 6 gallon partial batch? I haven't found any spec for the cone volume to estimate how far up the jacket 6 gallons would go.
You can still fill this to about 7gallon and brew efficiently. Just be aware that if you open the lid it's very difficult to purge oxygen out when you have so much head space so you definitely would want to use the hop bong or something similar if you decide to dry hop.
If you are strapped for cash then I would go for an all rounder or FermZilla tri-conical. These are budget friendly and still a big step up from a bucket fermenter. So this is your best option while you save up for a BrewBuilt unit.
Looks like awesome bling! A quick question, If I'm already using a RAPT Fermentation Chamber (and won't add glycol to my setup) , will the extra jacket impact the performance / temp movement much when its within the ferm chamber?
How's the stainless steel Fermzilla coming along? Will it be to a similar specification of these brewbuilt tanks or will it be targeting a lower price point?
Love the technical rundown and the explanations of the whys and hows of the solutions. Please please please, make the new controller work with the current g20. I bought mine last week. Maybe something you don’t recommend but what would be your advice on daisy chaining from the g20. Let’s say I am doing a split batch into two fermzilla, better to put the temp twisters in series or in parallel with a T connector for example. I know the probe will only be able to measure from one fermenter but with the same yeast and the two fermenters being so close to each other, the difference in temperature should not be that big.
I definitely agree on the 8in port instead of the clamp, after a year using my spike conical it the threads loosen up a bit and the clamp definelty helps with the leaking of air even if it’s well libricated with cip lube.
Yes it's strange how many people thing they want the larger opening and it's only once you have used the large lid clamp that you start to realize the design constraints.
@@KegLand I actually didn’t think about that lol, the thing was that when I purchased it, spike was the cheapest option. I’m glad allot more manufacturers are opting in on the 8” opening instead I genuinely think that it helps maintain pressure more effectively.
Hey Key! Double the signal strength you say. I.e. you get 3db better signal? Or do you go from like -80 to -40dBm ? Cause, thats like 10.000 times better signal :)
You would still have to mash the grains somehow but you are right. If we make a more powerful 2" TC element then you could boil inside the fermenter which would be pretty cool. Do you think many customers would want to see this solution?
Really looking forward to getting this one. Suggestion: if you're only going to have the one controller on the glycol unit itself, is there a way to move it to the front? If you have the unit with the back facing a wall you can't see or easily change the temp. Mine isn't facing a wall but where I've had to place it it's still really hard to get myself in a position where I can read it. The power switch being on the front could be good too.
@@KegLand Sorry. I meant the power and temp control of the back of the glycol reserviour itself. It's right at the back of the unit. If you have the unit against a wall then it's really hard to get to the power button or adjust the glycol temp. If you're re-designing the thing and it's not too hard put all the controls and power on the front.
Oh man I want that new glycol system, I had been thinking about building my own controller around ESPhome to achieve something similar. I want that data and automation, bring it to the USA please!
Yes for sure. I am surprised that this type of solution has not been designed previously. We are looking forward to getting the glycol controller released later this year.
What I took from this video is that this product is going to be well outside of my price range but.......I want one of those kegland hoodies, you going to release some???
If you want a KegLand Hoodie ask our customer service team to do a hoodie promo. If they get an email asking for a promo they will probably do some free hoodie with order or something.
Instead of running glycol through the jacketed tank, can hot water run through it to heat the tank? I make mead and I am looking to figure out a way to heat the mead up to 140F in order to pasteurize it. Once pasteurized, then I can back sweeten if needed. I am trying to figure out a way to pasteurize in a fermenter.
If the 2" blocks up, just pump CO2 thorugh it. The only reson to use these massive fermenters is to reduce sediment in bottles so you should have CO2 ready.
Yes that is a fair point. I would agree that if you are pushing stuff down and out via the dump valve the CO2 works well to push the blockage through the dump valve. With that said if you are dry hopping upwards this trick doesn't work as gas just passes through the hops.
I believe stock is already on the way. Have you tried Olbrygging as they will probably get the X3 stock first in Norway and you can probably order from them.
We do have some very quiet smaller 1/2 sized RAPT fermentation chambers that are getting manufactured. If you have a small apartment I think this might be your best option.
@@KegLand brewing 10 gallon batches and love shiny metal and my cip setup. Glycol but quiet would be the answer. Spike seems to have heard this but unfortunately in 110v
I am more excited for a kegland video with Kee than anything from Quentin Tarantino
Haha. Thanks for that. I am flattered.
I never really understand why they didn't prewire the heating circuits on the G20.
We are in discussion about this at the moment so it's quite likley it will happen.
@@KegLandgreat. Just after I purchased one:(
Awesome video...
I'm so ready for that RAPT glycol controller.
Any idea on release dates for the controller? Also can you use it minus the heating element? I rarely use heating, only when I am making a saison or using a kveik yeast. Otherwise very interested in trying 3 units.
Yes we are working hard to get this one completed. I think we can get it released later this year.
This thing have the same trub dump as your design , did Brewbuild colab with kegland ?
Great walk-through!
I really don't understand the infatuation with 1.5" TC ports. A 1.5" TC port is overkill for an analog pressure gauge, safety PRV, blow-off pipe, spunding valve, thermowell, sample valve, glycol port, ... The X3 lid is so crowded. A 1.5" TC port is too small for a hop drop. The hop drop should be on an 8" to 3" or 8" to 4" adapter cap. There was plenty of real estate on the X3 lid for the 8" TC main port and four smaller TC ports.
Interesting decision to forgo a racking valve.
I like that you followed Brewtools lead with the welded lid, 8" TC main lid port, glycol jacket and 2" TC cone port to accept a heating element. With the X4, take a look at the Brewtools F-series lid ports.
Hey @BrewBuilt , for the X4 put a 2" TC on the roof of the tank for dry hopping.
this subject certainly did come up during the design process but It's really not an issue with the 1.5" TC as the concentric 1.5" to 2" TC reducers are quite cheap. Also we were really running out of space on the top of the unitank so we didn't really have a lot of options in that respect.
@@KegLand "We?" As someone from the States, it's super exciting to see you and @MoreBeer_ collaborating to design these products!
For the 14 gallon version, what would be the minimum batch size for effective jacket cooling? Could you do a 6 gallon partial batch? I haven't found any spec for the cone volume to estimate how far up the jacket 6 gallons would go.
You can still fill this to about 7gallon and brew efficiently. Just be aware that if you open the lid it's very difficult to purge oxygen out when you have so much head space so you definitely would want to use the hop bong or something similar if you decide to dry hop.
Definitely interested as a upgrade from using my stainless bucket fermenter. Still saving up for one and a glycol system
If you are strapped for cash then I would go for an all rounder or FermZilla tri-conical. These are budget friendly and still a big step up from a bucket fermenter. So this is your best option while you save up for a BrewBuilt unit.
Looks like awesome bling!
A quick question, If I'm already using a RAPT Fermentation Chamber (and won't add glycol to my setup) , will the extra jacket impact the performance / temp movement much when its within the ferm chamber?
Not to any great extent
How's the stainless steel Fermzilla coming along? Will it be to a similar specification of these brewbuilt tanks or will it be targeting a lower price point?
Yes this is also still coming along but unfortunately we had some delays. We are still going to release these in Australia very soon.
They look SWEEEEET! on the 53L version, what's the MAX wort volume..... is it 53L plus headspace? Thanks.
I have not tried myself but I think the 53L has about max brimful volume of about 65-70L
It looks amazing. This tank is perfect!
Yes we are really happy to get these in stock. I think compared to other tanks they are also great value too
Yesh I think they are great value and we see mush worse tanks often sold at a higher price point.
Great vid as usual Kee! Does the new Brewbuilt fit into the rapt fermenter chamber? I’m dying to know. Cheers!
The 53L size (14gal) will fit into the chamber and smaller.
Love the technical rundown and the explanations of the whys and hows of the solutions. Please please please, make the new controller work with the current g20. I bought mine last week.
Maybe something you don’t recommend but what would be your advice on daisy chaining from the g20. Let’s say I am doing a split batch into two fermzilla, better to put the temp twisters in series or in parallel with a T connector for example. I know the probe will only be able to measure from one fermenter but with the same yeast and the two fermenters being so close to each other, the difference in temperature should not be that big.
Yes the new glycol controller will still be backward compatible and work with the older G20 and G40 models. That is not an issue at all.
Fantastic video and sneak peak. So, are you coming out with a new glycol chiller as well?
Yes we are working on new glycol chillers too so these will also come out later this year.
I definitely agree on the 8in port instead of the clamp, after a year using my spike conical it the threads loosen up a bit and the clamp definelty helps with the leaking of air even if it’s well libricated with cip lube.
Yes it's strange how many people thing they want the larger opening and it's only once you have used the large lid clamp that you start to realize the design constraints.
@@KegLand I actually didn’t think about that lol, the thing was that when I purchased it, spike was the cheapest option. I’m glad allot more manufacturers are opting in on the 8” opening instead I genuinely think that it helps maintain pressure more effectively.
Hey Key!
Double the signal strength you say. I.e. you get 3db better signal? Or do you go from like -80 to -40dBm ? Cause, thats like 10.000 times better signal :)
Only a SIth deals in absolutes :)
A Brewbuilt X2 model with that side heater TC port would make an excellent all in one brewery/fermenter kit.
You would still have to mash the grains somehow but you are right. If we make a more powerful 2" TC element then you could boil inside the fermenter which would be pretty cool. Do you think many customers would want to see this solution?
Really looking forward to getting this one. Suggestion: if you're only going to have the one controller on the glycol unit itself, is there a way to move it to the front? If you have the unit with the back facing a wall you can't see or easily change the temp. Mine isn't facing a wall but where I've had to place it it's still really hard to get myself in a position where I can read it. The power switch being on the front could be good too.
Yes absolutely. The glycol controller can be put anywhere. So for sure you can put it on the front of the fermenter no problem.
@@KegLand Sorry. I meant the power and temp control of the back of the glycol reserviour itself. It's right at the back of the unit. If you have the unit against a wall then it's really hard to get to the power button or adjust the glycol temp. If you're re-designing the thing and it's not too hard put all the controls and power on the front.
will the 8" lid be available for purchase?
Oh man I want that new glycol system, I had been thinking about building my own controller around ESPhome to achieve something similar. I want that data and automation, bring it to the USA please!
Yes for sure. I am surprised that this type of solution has not been designed previously. We are looking forward to getting the glycol controller released later this year.
What I took from this video is that this product is going to be well outside of my price range but.......I want one of those kegland hoodies, you going to release some???
If you want a KegLand Hoodie ask our customer service team to do a hoodie promo. If they get an email asking for a promo they will probably do some free hoodie with order or something.
Instead of running glycol through the jacketed tank, can hot water run through it to heat the tank? I make mead and I am looking to figure out a way to heat the mead up to 140F in order to pasteurize it. Once pasteurized, then I can back sweeten if needed. I am trying to figure out a way to pasteurize in a fermenter.
No reason why not!
If the 2" blocks up, just pump CO2 thorugh it. The only reson to use these massive fermenters is to reduce sediment in bottles so you should have CO2 ready.
Yes that is a fair point. I would agree that if you are pushing stuff down and out via the dump valve the CO2 works well to push the blockage through the dump valve. With that said if you are dry hopping upwards this trick doesn't work as gas just passes through the hops.
Really informative video. When will the Rapt digital spunding valve be available in the UK. I’ll happily volunteer to be a beta tester 😂
The RAPT digital spunding valve will start shipping to UK early in 2025 so you will still have a small wait in the UK unfortunately.
@@KegLand Can I ask why? Kegland products are very popular here in the UK and it would be great to get our hands on new products when announced.
Is this going to be sold in NZ?
You'll need to check with local distributors for that
That's bloody beautiful! King of the road! Who do I have kiss? 😘😉😎
Gash. Please email us on this and let us know which size you are after and we will sort you out.
@@KegLand Who do I need to email? That would be awesome!
Are these coming to Europe?
I believe stock is already on the way. Have you tried Olbrygging as they will probably get the X3 stock first in Norway and you can probably order from them.
Would love to be able to buy this in Germany.
We do have some distributors in that region. You can contact them from this map here:
www.kegland.com.au/distributor
I’m so sag glycol is still so loud. You’re all forgetting the Appartement brewers.
We do have some very quiet smaller 1/2 sized RAPT fermentation chambers that are getting manufactured. If you have a small apartment I think this might be your best option.
@@KegLand brewing 10 gallon batches and love shiny metal and my cip setup. Glycol but quiet would be the answer. Spike seems to have heard this but unfortunately in 110v
How do we get these in NZ?
www.kegland.com.au/distributor
Please refer to our distributors on this map. They can give you the lead time on these products.
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