Like how the archeologist says that "he found" He would have found nothing except for the call he got. How about giving credit where credit is due to the detectorists that found the hoard. How about compensation for all of the hoard.
The detectorists deserve every penny. Some would say that treasure like that is ‘priceless’ and I would say let the detectorists and the property owner split the loot and sell it for as much as they can at auction, and should the Government want to make the winning bid, let them pay a fair price. Hearing these finders getting robbed and “compensated” with mere fractions makes me sick. Anyone who finds treasure in Europe should melt it down and sell the ingots lest they be imprisoned otherwise.
The archeologist does not have a camera friendly personality. He comes across very condescending and dismissive of the people who actually found this treasure. A far better approach would be to actually interview the people who discover it first.
Well done to the metal detectorists,for doing the right thing.amazing video,beautiful silversmith work,they must have held high status amongst the viking peoples.thanks for showing.
I don't know what happened in this particular case, but like the Staffordshire hoard discovered two years earlier, this was declared as treasure under the treasure act 1996. It's long been the law in England that 'treasure' as legally defined belongs to" the crown"... which in practice means the government. Now in the case of the Staffordshire hoard, it was valued by the treasure department, (at about 3.5 million pounds I think) and once that amount was raised through a public appeal, the hoard was bought by a museum, and the money divided equally between the discoverer of the hoard, and the owner of the land on which it was found. Unless anyone knows any different, it's my guess that something similar happened in this case.
No, they'll get their share. Its a very open process. The find is declared Treasure by the Coroner The find is provisionally valued by one or more independent expert valuers. The find is seen at a Treasure Valuation Committee meeting where it is looked at alongside the provisional valuation(s). The Treasure Valuation Committee recommends a value for the Find. The interested parties are asked whether they are satisfied. The Museum is invoiced for the recommended amount. The Museum is expected to pay within four months of being invoiced. Upon receipt of the invoiced amount, the reward is paid to the interested parties, the land owner and finders split 50/50
In fact, they almost certainly got half of the hoard's value, the other half going to the owner of the land on which it was found. It is vitally important that this happens so that detectorists are not encouraged to keep their finds and sell them secretly.
archeolgists are so self centered. "its amazing to see the items i found cleaned up" you mean that the detectors found and dug up most of it. i sure hope you paid them for their treasure.
The detectorists found the surface items, all the ingots and everything else were excavated by the archaeologists. Also the UK has clear laws for compensating detectorists for such finds as it encourages them to declare such finds instead of putting them on ebay.
@@Catubrannos and The Government imprisons anyone who doesn’t “voluntarily” declare such finds, people report them because they don’t want thugs with loaded guns leading them at gunpoint to hell on Earth. These hoards could fetch tens of millions in certain circumstances at auction, and the violent thugs over at the state house pay *FRACTIONS* of the true worth. I encourage any and all European detectorists to melt down precious metal treasure and sell the bullion that results, they’ll do a lot better that way and to hell with the thugs.
@@CaliforniaCarpenter7 Oh, by all means, "melt down" ancient artifacts so you can get a little money. What kind of barbaric, greed-driven advice is that?
@@CaliforniaCarpenter7 The funny thing is, the government pays a significant amount over the raw material value for the finds. So your advice is trash along with your ignorant perspective.
@@robotslug How’s life on your hands and knees with an open throat, moron? Do you understand rarity? The UK Govt paid 1/1000th of what the Saxon Hoard was worth and this hoard is no different. 1 ounce of Gold can go for $1800. A 1 ounce Gold coin can go for $1.8 Million. Priceless treasure of which there is no duplicate? Literally ONLY an auction can determine value. The finders should be allowed to *auction* their finds to the *HIGHEST bidder(s)* and if your idiot Gov’t wants the items they should PAY FULL PRICE.
I love the way this bloke takes credit for the find when it was 2 metal detector fans that actually discovered it. Did they pay the finders for the value of the silver and gold at least? I bet they got nothing.
England has The Portable Antiquities Scheme. Under this program finds of single items are yours to keep. Finds of more than a single item, 7 coins for instance, must be reported to the government. The government assigns a value to the items and has the opportunity to purchase the items at the assigned value. If no governmental organization opts to purchase the find, it is returned to the finder who is allowed to sell it. In most cases the finder is a metal detectorist who had permission to search someone else’s land and is required to split any proceeds evenly with the landowner.
Pinching off what you need to pay with...We should definitely bring back these sorts of transactions. It puts real money into people's hands. Two ingots and a half, no problem! Great video, love to see the many cultural influences on the jewelry.
They get robbed and their Government pays them a “settlement” amount which amounts to less than 1% of what such hoards could fetch at auction. Two detectorists found a hoard of Saxon treasure, on the same land as another hoard was found, and tried to sell it off at auction and they were imprisoned for a decade each"
England has The Portable Antiquities Scheme. Under this program finds of single items are yours to keep. Finds of more than a single item, 7 coins for instance, must be reported to the government. The government assigns a value to the items and has the opportunity to purchase the items at the assigned value. If no governmental organization opts to purchase the find, it is returned to the finder who is allowed to sell it. In most cases the finder is a metal detectorist who had permission to search someone else’s land and is required to split any proceeds evenly with the landowner.
@@BingleFlimp So it’s even worse than I thought. The Government forces a split between detectorists and property owners that is equal even if the two parties decided in advance that they’d split 70/30, 60/40? Wow, that’s some pretty heinous Authoritarianism, you folks should gang up and force a change.
@@CaliforniaCarpenter7 You sound like an incredibly greedy and selfish buffoon. Most detectorists do it as a hobby and 99.99% of them never find anything of significant value. (My own experiences attest to this - been detecting for over 20 years). True (and honest) detectorists understand that valuable finds mean far more than just money, and are important historical and cultural artefacts. Even if the law did not specify how we behave when such finds are made, all detectorists I know would call in archaeologists if/when they suspect an important find. In most cases where these "treasures" are found, the reward is rightfully calculated and shared. We all know the law, and we all agree to conduct our activities under that law. Greed...? We don't think like you do.
@@brunosmith6925 Opinions vary, dear friend. I'm sorry to hear of your poor luck (lack of skill?) detecting. I bought a cheap analog relic detector on Amazon in 2020 and within my first week I had found a silver Mercury dime, a gold wedding band and a WW2 medal on my own property. By the end of month one I had found and sold a bronze tag belonging to an old Sampson engine on eBay for $250 and found a nice silver necklace, a ruined but gold-plated Victorian locket box, a Peace Dollar and an Indian Head penny... But y'know... I had to go back to work eventually 👎 😔. Best part is, I kept 100% of what I found and may the public at large kiss my bare ass, because if I strike it rich I have no plans to share with anyone who didn't share the work load. God Bless and may you get better at detecting!
I have never heard of this hoard. It certainly is beautiful, but we don't get a date of when it was buried when the pieces were made. Is it 500 ce or 1000? I don't recall did they mention location? North Yorkshire? As an Yank of limited geographic knowledge, could they tell us more?
The first Viking raid was in the late 8th century and the last was in the mid 11th century. This information and the location of Bedale can be easily found if only someone had, say, a computer.
@@davidhartley2926 Importance is relative, here we are discovering physical evidence of who what where when, also saving it from looters, and using it as a teaching tool. Sounds good to me anyway
Only three ingots inscribed tells me that the inscription reflects the belief of owner prior to the Viking. Surely any true believer would have inscribed every ingot that they owned.
This is amazing ... what i would love to know is WHY was it left there? The Irish connection is interesting ... was it the belongings of Gaelic-Norsemen rather than Danes or other Norse... Maybe it was from the time of Eric Bloodaxe ... ??? I do hope more comes to light on this ..such a great piece of Northern history ..
The objects (the collars and rings) are obviously quite "deformed", or flat-pressed, sort of. Due to the weight and pressure of the soil and centuries since they were buried, I guess. Is there any chance that restauration will turn them back into their round or original shapes ?
Vorfor finner man vikingesverd jemme der jeg kommer fra vorfor vet jeg omm doen steinkostruksjoner oppi fjellet jeg bare vet noen få mensker som fant Di vetomm jemme? På Helgeland norland? Vulken vikinger bodde på norland?
Although the Bedale Hoard is priceless, it had a monetary value of only £50,000, which is what the Yorkshire Museum paid for it. The true value isn't in any individual piece, but in the collection of pieces and what the context of the hoard means archaeologically. As is usual, the money was split evenly between the land owner and the finder(s).
Amateurs are actually one part useful to archaeology and one part menace. They find a lot of good stuff but how many find stuff they don't report and/or destroy useful artifacts in their quest for precious metals?
I had no idea that private auctions of artefacts were so open. I stumbled onto one recently and some private American seller was auctioning off this hoard of anglo-danish artefacts from England. Helmet, axe heads, rings and bracelets. I was surprised by how angry I felt. There are these fairly unique artefacts that'll never be seen publicly again and the conditions that they're kept in aren't monitored so who knows how long they'll last.
Wow! This is wonderful! Our ancestors are often portrayed as backward uncivilized and stupid. Judging by the intricate garments and jewellery they wore they were none of these things. Their stone carving was also brilliant. Judging by the way they built defensive positions ( farmsteads, monasteries,, mottes, ancient burial places etc ) and ran their societies they were far from being uncivilized. Best wishes
@@chevychase3103 True. I watched a video of the Staffordshire Hoard and they say some of the garnet came from India or Sri Lanka. The Staffordshire Hoard was manufactured in the 6th and 7th centuries.
The hoard is from the late 9th/early 10th centuries... that's Early Medieval period. Stone Age (Paleolithic) Britain was from about 2.5m BC to 10,000 BC, and Bronze Age Britain was from 2500 BC to 800BC. You're a few years off, Tim.
That neck thing with 4 chains is my relative's, it must've been loaned to your relatives. I'd like it back. No offense, I know how time flies when you're having fun. Honestly, my last name is from the north of England, and is an altered version of Norse. It dates from the Norman conquest, when settlers of Viking heritage moved into the area.
Silver was more valued than gold. Gold is found on ground, water and can be used immediately. Silver is a process. Gold was precious for man and Silver Precious for Gods.
I am an goldsmith so I am well informed about how to create pieces like this and the techniques needed to do so but what baffels me how did they do it with the primitive tools of those days. Some off these pieces are rather rough and do not require much tooling like the silver neckpiece but still they had to have drawing plates to make the wire some way to put localised heat to solder pieces together but some of these piece are remarkable by the looks of some of those rings they used an lost wax casting technique but even there we use sophisticated equipment today costing tens of thousands of dollars. could somebody do a video how they used to make these pieces with the tooling they had available in those days.
There is a lot of lost technology hinted at by archaeological finds all over the world. Thank you for posting as a professional metalworker for perspective. Most people that see these videos just see dollar signs and could not care less about the extraordinary story of craftsmanship and history these artifacts can tell.
They were NOT primitive; why do people keep believing that? They travelled widely, spoke other languages, and were highly skilled. Even the Stone Age people weren't "primitive".
@@rachelhenderson2688 I agree where not primitive and definitive not less intelligent and they definitely had an understanding of metallurgy but their tools where primitive in comparison to today for instance to make silver wire you need what we call a draw plate it is an very simple tool its an about 10 mm thick tool steel plate with holes decreasing in size with about 1/10 of an mm today often with tungsten inserts but that you can do without .How would they have made such a tool ?they did not have the technology, brass would not work far to soft. DId they hammer it than sand it smooth? that would take ages just for a very small piece of wire. so how?? that would be interesting to know for soldering the ancient Egyptians used an hollow reed with a clay nozzle and an oil lamp flame that way they created a blow torch there are today some older goldsmith using an metal version of it I myself got one laying around so we know how they did that but there are still forgotten techniques we can not recreate today the knowledge lost.
I cannot believe these people are still scratching at these things when there is quality ultrasonic cleaners that don't scratch ANYTHING yes some things probably do need different treatment but ultrasonic cleaners trump scratching at every day. There things have survived a thousand years in the harsh environment of soil water and modern technology has got to be a vast improvement on scalpels. Now let's see how long it takes for the insults to start after all i make jewellery so what do i know and this is the level of internet interaction I've come to expect so i got in first
Remarkable discovery, and incredible work by the conservators. However. The first speaker does not come across very well. He’s incredibly dismissive of the unnamed detectorists, and actually claims credit for finding the objects. One wonders if the landowner and the folks who actually found and reported the items were (as the speaker described) “looking incredibly uncomfortable” because they were so put off by his demeanor.
The people who found it should have kept it, no offense but it always ends up being like this. Museums and historians stealing items of value from one's culture and "preserving" it behind a locked glass cage. It should be kept by those who have found it or rightfully returned to the descendants of those who these items belonged to.
@Leona Bastet Plus it's likely that the people of the area are descended from the original owner so keeping the artefacts in the local museum seems alright to me.
How is putting it in a museum that anyone can come and see it free of charge 'stealing'? These things are of historic and cultural importance, they need to be available for study.
Often times before a battle, or even going into a strange town for a questionable interaction, people would bury treasure. Sometimes they weren't alive to return and gather it up. Other times, they just couldn't find it.
@@maxsdad538 But they are not books. Its silver and with react to the acid on your hands. The reason gloves are no longer worn for books etc is the risk of tearing the paper. Metal work needs gloves.... bad practice
Not all crosses are Christian, numbnuts. Celts used crosses, Druids used crosses, Vikings used crosses, Islam uses crosses, American Indians use crosses. lol
If I was to sell a hoard i'd found to a museum or other public body, i'd want more than the scrap value of the items. I'd ask, "what will you do with the hoard"? The 'museum' would piously reply; "Put it on display so that the public can enjoy viewing it, as part our common history". THEN, i'd ask, what would you charge the public to see the hoard, and how many people each year would you expect to visit the museum to view it"? Only then would I decide whether or not to surrender my find. Perhaps I could display the hoard myself, for a price greater than that offered by the museum, even if it was not expertly cleaned and classified. Perhaps the thought of my inexpert cleaning of the hoard items would so horrify the "experts" that they would be a bit more forthcoming with the compensation for handing it over.
An attitude like that would likely cause some governmental body to swoop in and claim your find for the public, probably leaving you with nothing. Besides, are you really declaring that you'd keep ancient treasures out of the public view - perhaps forever - simply because you wanted a bit more dosh? That's hardly admirable.
Baskervill22. Frankly, I find your view disturbing. Do you really think it is okay to steal important items from your own people? I don’t think you understand the feelings connected with artefacts at all, I will try to explain in the hope you will change your view, or at least so you understand how the vast majority of people are feeling. Through thousands of years, despots and warlords have destroyed artefacts and holy places in conquered land on purpose, to enforce their own agendas and to destroy people’s roots. This is textbook warfare. A modern time example; just look at what ISIS has done. Artefacts are important; they mirror our own ancestors. By law, just because you find some artefacts, it still belongs to the people, even if it is found on your very own ground. In Denmark we don’t receive rewards in the size as you do in England. We find artefacts all the time, and agree that it is a treasure for us all, shared by all. Some items found are not rewarded at all, for example have I dived on famous shipwrecks outside the coast of Denmark, as the warship Sct. George which sunk in 1811, sister ship to HMS Victory; and the warship Alexander Nevskij which went under in 1868, it is hard and dangerous and we got nothing except free tickets to the museum - and I don’t care. And those items were never close to my heart anyway, as it was foreign. I am more interested in artefacts from Nordic Bronze- Iron and Viking Age. I could give you many examples of people feelings when it comes to artefacts, here is one. In 1639 and again in 1734, two horns were found in Denmark. The second was found only a few metres from the first, a century apart. The first one was 76 cm. long and 3,2 kilo heavy, pure gold, inscribed with runes telling who made it. The girl who found it, received a dress as finder’s fee. The second horn was not quite as long, but heavier, it weighted 3,7 kilos. The finder was a farmer; he was rewarded with a smaller amount. The horns were filled with lavish decorations, depicting deities like the ones on the Sutton Hoo helmet, from Nordic mythology. They were dated to the 5th century. The 4th of May 1802 the horns went missing. The whole country was enraged; these horns meant so much for the population that poems and songs had been written about them ever since they were found. Most likely because the sense of “paganism” never totally left the hearts of Scandinavians and has held on to this day; the old religion is recognized in all the Nordic countries with the same rights as held by the Protestant church, for instance to marry people. I mention this because it will be clear in the poem I am going to quote, in case you should wonder how a poet could get away with writing such things in an official Christian country more than 200 years ago. The thief was found and sat in prison for 37 years. He had melted the horns down and sold the gold. People who had bought gold from him, was terrified of what he had done, they voluntary handed the gold in. Because there had been made meticulous drawings of the horns, they were remade. But still, not the same. The poet I am going to quote is one of the most famous in Denmark - Adam Oehlenschläger - he wrote the pome “Guldhornene” just after the horns went missing, in 1802. It’s a very long poem expressing immense pain over this theft; here is an extract that should tell you something about people’s feelings, THEN and NOW. First, he describes the discovery of the horns, demonstrating some quite hard core pagan feelings: “A far and silent rumbling increasing to a deafening thunder swept over the Nord. Over clifftops from Norway the wind is blowing, increasing to a storming wild roar, embracing the valleys of Denmark. The woods are shivering, the birds are quit. Suddenly, silence is embracing everything. Our ancestors have returned; coming to teach us where to find the true Gods and true values. A female and a male, daughter and son with the strength of their ancestors, will now be led to holy shrines. Don’t look at the gold with blinded eyes only seeing the gold; interpret and understand the holy mysterious symbols surrounding the sides of the horns. Look at our ancestors and our Gods glowing, forever part of us, within us and within everything in nature. Fill the horns with the blood of Jesus, as Blood in the groves”. The “far and silent rumbling” is a reference to Thor and the ancestors far away in distant time, trying to be heard by their descendants. The reference to “Blood in the groves” is a referance to blóts (offerings) which still is held to this day, and the poet is not a fan of Jesus. He continue to describe the feelings after the horns had gone missing, he saw it as a punishment from the Gods because we had forgot the spiritual life and true values. “We, their children, are screaming to them (our ancestors and Gods): “STAY WITH US!” But the sky turned all black, storms are roaring!. What they gave, they now have taken back. For ever gone, are the holy horns”.
Well then, you know nothing about the property laws of your country. The landowner and federal system have precedence over your perspective. Your statement shows your ignorance in legal affairs.
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Interesting and cool.The Viks were robbers and today all these women are robbing the brit men of these jobs. by being there and by affirmative action. the stuff is still not with the rightful owners.
As a professional speaking in a professional capacity, cleavage is not appropriate and she should know that. Why do the directors of these videos not say, "Go change into something more professional?"
Like how the archeologist says that "he found" He would have found nothing except for the call he got. How about giving credit where credit is due to the detectorists that found the hoard. How about compensation for all of the hoard.
The detectorists deserve every penny. Some would say that treasure like that is ‘priceless’ and I would say let the detectorists and the property owner split the loot and sell it for as much as they can at auction, and should the Government want to make the winning bid, let them pay a fair price. Hearing these finders getting robbed and “compensated” with mere fractions makes me sick. Anyone who finds treasure in Europe should melt it down and sell the ingots lest they be imprisoned otherwise.
And a condescending attitude to detectorists in general. The guy's a prick.
I paused it after hearing that, feeling a bit annoyed at his statement. Scrolled to look at comments and yours was rightfully at the top.
@@robotslug Metal-detectorists are heroes of culture and people like him look down on us.
The archeologist found much more that the detectors. He dug deeper, a longer trench, and VERY carefully.
The archeologist does not have a camera friendly personality. He comes across very condescending and dismissive of the people who actually found this treasure. A far better approach would be to actually interview the people who discover it first.
The detectorists were most probably working class
Such incredible workmanship, even now. Thank you for sharing this truly exciting experience with us all.
Well done to the metal detectorists,for doing the right thing.amazing video,beautiful silversmith work,they must have held high status amongst the viking peoples.thanks for showing.
'Archeology find? Meh. Oh GOLD you say?! Be right there!'
gotta feel for the dectorists here,largely written out of the story and probably received a fraction of its real monetary value.
Stfu commie.
I don't know what happened in this particular case, but like the Staffordshire hoard discovered two years earlier, this was declared as treasure under the treasure act 1996. It's long been the law in England that 'treasure' as legally defined belongs to" the crown"... which in practice means the government. Now in the case of the Staffordshire hoard, it was valued by the treasure department, (at about 3.5 million pounds I think) and once that amount was raised through a public appeal, the hoard was bought by a museum, and the money divided equally between the discoverer of the hoard, and the owner of the land on which it was found. Unless anyone knows any different, it's my guess that something similar happened in this case.
No, they'll get their share. Its a very open process.
The find is declared Treasure by the Coroner
The find is provisionally valued by one or more independent expert valuers.
The find is seen at a Treasure Valuation Committee meeting where it is looked at alongside the provisional valuation(s).
The Treasure Valuation Committee recommends a value for the Find. The interested parties are asked whether they are satisfied.
The Museum is invoiced for the recommended amount.
The Museum is expected to pay within four months of being invoiced.
Upon receipt of the invoiced amount, the reward is paid to the interested parties, the land owner and finders split 50/50
@@dan4lau Sounds like a great incentive for people who find these to avoid the government completely and sell them on the black market.
In fact, they almost certainly got half of the hoard's value, the other half going to the owner of the land on which it was found.
It is vitally important that this happens so that detectorists are not encouraged to keep their finds and sell them secretly.
archeolgists are so self centered. "its amazing to see the items i found cleaned up" you mean that the detectors found and dug up most of it. i sure hope you paid them for their treasure.
The detectorists found the surface items, all the ingots and everything else were excavated by the archaeologists. Also the UK has clear laws for compensating detectorists for such finds as it encourages them to declare such finds instead of putting them on ebay.
@@Catubrannos and The Government imprisons anyone who doesn’t “voluntarily” declare such finds, people report them because they don’t want thugs with loaded guns leading them at gunpoint to hell on Earth. These hoards could fetch tens of millions in certain circumstances at auction, and the violent thugs over at the state house pay *FRACTIONS* of the true worth. I encourage any and all European detectorists to melt down precious metal treasure and sell the bullion that results, they’ll do a lot better that way and to hell with the thugs.
@@CaliforniaCarpenter7 Oh, by all means, "melt down" ancient artifacts so you can get a little money. What kind of barbaric, greed-driven advice is that?
@@CaliforniaCarpenter7 The funny thing is, the government pays a significant amount over the raw material value for the finds. So your advice is trash along with your ignorant perspective.
@@robotslug How’s life on your hands and knees with an open throat, moron? Do you understand rarity? The UK Govt paid 1/1000th of what the Saxon Hoard was worth and this hoard is no different.
1 ounce of Gold can go for $1800. A 1 ounce Gold coin can go for $1.8 Million. Priceless treasure of which there is no duplicate? Literally ONLY an auction can determine value. The finders should be allowed to *auction* their finds to the *HIGHEST bidder(s)* and if your idiot Gov’t wants the items they should PAY FULL PRICE.
I love the way this bloke takes credit for the find when it was 2 metal detector fans that actually discovered it. Did they pay the finders for the value of the silver and gold at least? I bet they got nothing.
England has The Portable Antiquities Scheme. Under this program finds of single items are yours to keep. Finds of more than a single item, 7 coins for instance, must be reported to the government. The government assigns a value to the items and has the opportunity to purchase the items at the assigned value. If no governmental organization opts to purchase the find, it is returned to the finder who is allowed to sell it. In most cases the finder is a metal detectorist who had permission to search someone else’s land and is required to split any proceeds evenly with the landowner.
@@BingleFlimp Lovely informative answer there Spark. :) I didn't know much of that.
Excellent show of the hoard from start to finish :-)
Exciting! How beautiful. Thank you for posting this.
Great video nicely put together. Just fascinating!
After watching the dig?? I have a different opinion of the archeologists and museums come to take over.
Pinching off what you need to pay with...We should definitely bring back these sorts of transactions. It puts real money into people's hands. Two ingots and a half, no problem! Great video, love to see the many cultural influences on the jewelry.
So the men who found this "HORD," what do they get, and do they get any of what they found back?! I ALWAYS wondered how that worked?!
They get robbed and their Government pays them a “settlement” amount which amounts to less than 1% of what such hoards could fetch at auction. Two detectorists found a hoard of Saxon treasure, on the same land as another hoard was found, and tried to sell it off at auction and they were imprisoned for a decade each"
England has The Portable Antiquities Scheme. Under this program finds of single items are yours to keep. Finds of more than a single item, 7 coins for instance, must be reported to the government. The government assigns a value to the items and has the opportunity to purchase the items at the assigned value. If no governmental organization opts to purchase the find, it is returned to the finder who is allowed to sell it. In most cases the finder is a metal detectorist who had permission to search someone else’s land and is required to split any proceeds evenly with the landowner.
@@BingleFlimp So it’s even worse than I thought. The Government forces a split between detectorists and property owners that is equal even if the two parties decided in advance that they’d split 70/30, 60/40?
Wow, that’s some pretty heinous Authoritarianism, you folks should gang up and force a change.
@@CaliforniaCarpenter7 You sound like an incredibly greedy and selfish buffoon. Most detectorists do it as a hobby and 99.99% of them never find anything of significant value. (My own experiences attest to this - been detecting for over 20 years).
True (and honest) detectorists understand that valuable finds mean far more than just money, and are important historical and cultural artefacts. Even if the law did not specify how we behave when such finds are made, all detectorists I know would call in archaeologists if/when they suspect an important find.
In most cases where these "treasures" are found, the reward is rightfully calculated and shared. We all know the law, and we all agree to conduct our activities under that law. Greed...? We don't think like you do.
@@brunosmith6925 Opinions vary, dear friend. I'm sorry to hear of your poor luck (lack of skill?) detecting. I bought a cheap analog relic detector on Amazon in 2020 and within my first week I had found a silver Mercury dime, a gold wedding band and a WW2 medal on my own property. By the end of month one I had found and sold a bronze tag belonging to an old Sampson engine on eBay for $250 and found a nice silver necklace, a ruined but gold-plated Victorian locket box, a Peace Dollar and an Indian Head penny... But y'know... I had to go back to work eventually 👎 😔. Best part is, I kept 100% of what I found and may the public at large kiss my bare ass, because if I strike it rich I have no plans to share with anyone who didn't share the work load. God Bless and may you get better at detecting!
Fantastic, was a worth put on them?
Priceless.
I have never heard of this hoard. It certainly is beautiful, but we don't get a date of when it was buried when the pieces were made. Is it 500 ce or 1000?
I don't recall did they mention location? North Yorkshire? As an Yank of limited geographic knowledge, could they tell us more?
The first Viking raid was in the late 8th century and the last was in the mid 11th century. This information and the location of Bedale can be easily found if only someone had, say, a computer.
@@billythedog-309 Agreed. Then what is the point of watching the video?
@@woodsplitter3274 To whet your interest so that you can further investigate any points that are important to you.
Late 9th to early 10th centuries, according to the Yorkshire Museum.
A map of Yorkshire, on paper or on the Internet, will show you where Bedale is.
Don't say anything to anybody, pack up your loot and go home.
This is what happened to ancient Egytian artifacts in early 1800s.
A historical disaster.
Plenty of criminals getting prison sentences atm for doing that, good thing too
Interesting stuff! weird all the negative comments, its important to preserve and understand the value of this stuff
Why is it important, it gives us nothing except interesting things to look at. Nothing "important" just pretty relics.
@@davidhartley2926 Importance is relative, here we are discovering physical evidence of who what where when, also saving it from looters, and using it as a teaching tool. Sounds good to me anyway
@@davidhartley2926 Just out of interest, are you American?
@@BingleFlimp no, I'm English.
@@davidhartley2926 Shame. Just try and think what these relics represent more then just being pretty objects.
Only three ingots inscribed tells me that the inscription reflects the belief of owner prior to the Viking. Surely any true believer would have inscribed every ingot that they owned.
My guess is that the Viking "liberated" those three from their prior owner. Oh the stories that beautiful collection could tell!
@@jayjayquest4958 "There is no need for that sword, brother, you are welcome to....Ow!...F....!" Lol.
@4tran ...then perhaps the ingots belonged to a Roman? Oh-oh...!
If. If I was a Detectorist I wouldn't declare one damn thing.
This is amazing ... what i would love to know is WHY was it left there?
The Irish connection is interesting ... was it the belongings of Gaelic-Norsemen rather than Danes or other Norse...
Maybe it was from the time of Eric Bloodaxe ... ???
I do hope more comes to light on this ..such a great piece of Northern history ..
The objects (the collars and rings) are obviously quite "deformed", or flat-pressed, sort of. Due to the weight and pressure of the soil and centuries since they were buried, I guess. Is there any chance that restauration will turn them back into their round or original shapes ?
Emigrating to Yorkshire in 8 or so years. Have a bit of experience in archaeology, mainly stone tools being in Australia.
Can’t wait!
only 3 more years now
Vorfor finner man vikingesverd jemme der jeg kommer fra vorfor vet jeg omm doen steinkostruksjoner oppi fjellet jeg bare vet noen få mensker som fant Di vetomm jemme? På Helgeland norland? Vulken vikinger bodde på norland?
I was just going to say that, you beat me to it.
The detectorists and landowner were rewarded with £50,000 for their find.
is that it? or is that for each person? if not they got ripped off, that is worth millions!
Well done!
Although the Bedale Hoard is priceless, it had a monetary value of only £50,000, which is what the Yorkshire Museum paid for it. The true value isn't in any individual piece, but in the collection of pieces and what the context of the hoard means archaeologically. As is usual, the money was split evenly between the land owner and the finder(s).
Once again, detectorists ripped off by treasure trove laws..... scandalous
@@kmmining1359 I do not think I agree. The hoard belongs to everyone.
Nice find
Museum of vampire's what leaches
Amateurs are actually one part useful to archaeology and one part menace. They find a lot of good stuff but how many find stuff they don't report and/or destroy useful artifacts in their quest for precious metals?
@@Catubrannos you sound like a person that takes advantage of people.
In America the metal detectors would have sold it privately to Jeff Bezos for a few million and no one would have even heard of its existence.
I had no idea that private auctions of artefacts were so open. I stumbled onto one recently and some private American seller was auctioning off this hoard of anglo-danish artefacts from England. Helmet, axe heads, rings and bracelets. I was surprised by how angry I felt. There are these fairly unique artefacts that'll never be seen publicly again and the conditions that they're kept in aren't monitored so who knows how long they'll last.
i love Viking Hoards.
Viking hordes were not so loveable
Wow! This is wonderful!
Our ancestors are often portrayed as backward uncivilized and stupid. Judging by the intricate garments and jewellery they wore they were none of these things. Their stone carving was also brilliant. Judging by the way they built defensive positions ( farmsteads, monasteries,, mottes, ancient burial places etc ) and ran their societies they were far from being uncivilized. Best wishes
Also the vast Trade Network that they had was truly remarkable!
@@chevychase3103 True. I watched a video of the Staffordshire Hoard and they say some of the garnet came from India or Sri Lanka. The Staffordshire Hoard was manufactured in the 6th and 7th centuries.
The hoard is from the late 9th/early 10th centuries... that's Early Medieval period. Stone Age (Paleolithic) Britain was from about 2.5m BC to 10,000 BC, and Bronze Age Britain was from 2500 BC to 800BC. You're a few years off, Tim.
Many thanks for taking the time Maxsdad. Oooops as you say a few years out. Just edited my post.
Is it not possible for the crosses being engraved on loot that had been melted down to make transport easier, then divided amongst the crew later on?
Can I have my relatives belongings back now that you dug them up from the grave!
That neck thing with 4 chains is my relative's, it must've been loaned to your relatives. I'd like it back. No offense, I know how time flies when you're having fun.
Honestly, my last name is from the north of England, and is an altered version of Norse. It dates from the Norman conquest, when settlers of Viking heritage moved into the area.
Sorry, I’m the owner and so is my wife.
Still got dibs... My history runs deep
Fix your subtitles. It's encrusted, not incrusted. And that's a pommel, not a pummel.
Silver was more valued than gold. Gold is found on ground, water and can be used immediately. Silver is a process. Gold was precious for man and Silver Precious for Gods.
This was true in old dynasty Egypt. For ancient Rome and Greece Gold was the more valuable, by about 15 to 1.
Very cool
I am an goldsmith so I am well informed about how to create pieces like this and the techniques needed to do so but what baffels me how did they do it with the primitive tools of those days. Some off these pieces are rather rough and do not require much tooling like the silver neckpiece but still they had to have drawing plates to make the wire some way to put localised heat to solder pieces together but some of these piece are remarkable by the looks of some of those rings they used an lost wax casting technique but even there we use sophisticated equipment today costing tens of thousands of dollars. could somebody do a video how they used to make these pieces with the tooling they had available in those days.
There is a lot of lost technology hinted at by archaeological finds all over the world. Thank you for posting as a professional metalworker for perspective. Most people that see these videos just see dollar signs and could not care less about the extraordinary story of craftsmanship and history these artifacts can tell.
They were NOT primitive; why do people keep believing that? They travelled widely, spoke other languages, and were highly skilled. Even the Stone Age people weren't "primitive".
@@rachelhenderson2688 I agree where not primitive and definitive not less intelligent and they definitely had an understanding of metallurgy but their tools where primitive in comparison to today for instance to make silver wire you need what we call a draw plate it is an very simple tool its an about 10 mm thick tool steel plate with holes decreasing in size with about 1/10 of an mm today often with tungsten inserts but that you can do without .How would they have made such a tool ?they did not have the technology, brass would not work far to soft. DId they hammer it than sand it smooth? that would take ages just for a very small piece of wire. so how?? that would be interesting to know for soldering the ancient Egyptians used an hollow reed with a clay nozzle and an oil lamp flame that way they created a blow torch there are today some older goldsmith using an metal version of it I myself got one laying around so we know how they did that but there are still forgotten techniques we can not recreate today the knowledge lost.
@@johndo3930 People were so amazingly ingenious ! It's difficult for us to appreciate how much they did with so little!
Thank you for your most interesting and informative reply, John!
So nice
I cannot believe these people are still scratching at these things when there is quality ultrasonic cleaners that don't scratch ANYTHING yes some things probably do need different treatment but ultrasonic cleaners trump scratching at every day. There things have survived a thousand years in the harsh environment of soil water and modern technology has got to be a vast improvement on scalpels. Now let's see how long it takes for the insults to start after all i make jewellery so what do i know and this is the level of internet interaction I've come to expect so i got in first
Get in contact with the museum and advise them on what to buy.
That was Good. Really Brill
If you find something like this, keep it and sell it privately directly to private owners
Why?
@Leona Bastet Because the government pays 1% of what the findings are actually worth. It is complete theft.
Dream find
Remarkable discovery, and incredible work by the conservators.
However.
The first speaker does not come across very well. He’s incredibly dismissive of the unnamed detectorists, and actually claims credit for finding the objects. One wonders if the landowner and the folks who actually found and reported the items were (as the speaker described) “looking incredibly uncomfortable” because they were so put off by his demeanor.
It seems elitist, to me, to not mention the detectorists' names.
The bloke Adam parker at one point says " The items I found" Very elitist world within museums and PAS scheme.
the religious beliefs of the owner ? or the person who stole it from them ?
The people who found it should have kept it, no offense but it always ends up being like this. Museums and historians stealing items of value from one's culture and "preserving" it behind a locked glass cage.
It should be kept by those who have found it or rightfully returned to the descendants of those who these items belonged to.
@Leona Bastet Plus it's likely that the people of the area are descended from the original owner so keeping the artefacts in the local museum seems alright to me.
How is putting it in a museum that anyone can come and see it free of charge 'stealing'? These things are of historic and cultural importance, they need to be available for study.
Why would this not be buried with its owner? Was it stolen maybe from a grave? 1000 year old who done it!
Often times before a battle, or even going into a strange town for a questionable interaction, people would bury treasure. Sometimes they weren't alive to return and gather it up. Other times, they just couldn't find it.
dow lie yo scratched that cross in
I hope the fashion for using the word "incredible" dies out soon. "Amazing" or "Wonderful" or "Impressive" etc. etc. are there waiting to be used...
Wow that one conservator sure likes to show off the sweater puppies. Very unprofessional
Grow up !
Stop taking the credit for “finding it” please, quite arrogant of you.
Don't we wear gloves anymore. Nice Thumb print burnt into the surface in years to come.
Gloves do more damage than bare hands. That's also why you no longer wear gloves when handling rare books or manuscripts.
@@maxsdad538 But they are not books. Its silver and with react to the acid on your hands. The reason gloves are no longer worn for books etc is the risk of tearing the paper.
Metal work needs gloves.... bad practice
You don't know what you're talking about
someone has put a Christian mark on to these crosses ! lol
Not all crosses are Christian, numbnuts. Celts used crosses, Druids used crosses, Vikings used crosses, Islam uses crosses, American Indians use crosses.
lol
@@maxsdad538 You are replying to somebody's comment that is quoting the video and laughing about it. You didn't have to be insulting.
Oy did that backwards cigarette just say material he found.7mi..dam gays shouldn't be touching Viking treasure. What an insult
BOOBA
If I was to sell a hoard i'd found to a museum or other public body, i'd want more than the scrap value of the items. I'd ask, "what will you do with the hoard"? The 'museum' would piously reply; "Put it on display so that the public can enjoy viewing it, as part our common history". THEN, i'd ask, what would you charge the public to see the hoard, and how many people each year would you expect to visit the museum to view it"? Only then would I decide whether or not to surrender my find. Perhaps I could display the hoard myself, for a price greater than that offered by the museum, even if it was not expertly cleaned and classified. Perhaps the thought of my inexpert cleaning of the hoard items would so horrify the "experts" that they would be a bit more forthcoming with the compensation for handing it over.
An attitude like that would likely cause some governmental body to swoop in and claim your find for the public, probably leaving you with nothing. Besides, are you really declaring that you'd keep ancient treasures out of the public view - perhaps forever - simply because you wanted a bit more dosh? That's hardly admirable.
Isn't gold and silver Treasure Trove? It must be handed in. Perhaps you are not familiar with the Law
ITs your history and heritage dude, where is your national pride.
Baskervill22. Frankly, I find your view disturbing. Do you really think it is okay to steal important items from your own people?
I don’t think you understand the feelings connected with artefacts at all, I will try to explain in the hope you will change your view, or at least so you understand how the vast majority of people are feeling. Through thousands of years, despots and warlords have destroyed artefacts and holy places in conquered land on purpose, to enforce their own agendas and to destroy people’s roots. This is textbook warfare. A modern time example; just look at what ISIS has done. Artefacts are important; they mirror our own ancestors.
By law, just because you find some artefacts, it still belongs to the people, even if it is found on your very own ground. In Denmark we don’t receive rewards in the size as you do in England. We find artefacts all the time, and agree that it is a treasure for us all, shared by all. Some items found are not rewarded at all, for example have I dived on famous shipwrecks outside the coast of Denmark, as the warship Sct. George which sunk in 1811, sister ship to HMS Victory; and the warship Alexander Nevskij which went under in 1868, it is hard and dangerous and we got nothing except free tickets to the museum - and I don’t care. And those items were never close to my heart anyway, as it was foreign. I am more interested in artefacts from Nordic Bronze- Iron and Viking Age.
I could give you many examples of people feelings when it comes to artefacts, here is one. In 1639 and again in 1734, two horns were found in Denmark. The second was found only a few metres from the first, a century apart. The first one was 76 cm. long and 3,2 kilo heavy, pure gold, inscribed with runes telling who made it. The girl who found it, received a dress as finder’s fee. The second horn was not quite as long, but heavier, it weighted 3,7 kilos. The finder was a farmer; he was rewarded with a smaller amount. The horns were filled with lavish decorations, depicting deities like the ones on the Sutton Hoo helmet, from Nordic mythology. They were dated to the 5th century.
The 4th of May 1802 the horns went missing. The whole country was enraged; these horns meant so much for the population that poems and songs had been written about them ever since they were found. Most likely because the sense of “paganism” never totally left the hearts of Scandinavians and has held on to this day; the old religion is recognized in all the Nordic countries with the same rights as held by the Protestant church, for instance to marry people. I mention this because it will be clear in the poem I am going to quote, in case you should wonder how a poet could get away with writing such things in an official Christian country more than 200 years ago. The thief was found and sat in prison for 37 years. He had melted the horns down and sold the gold. People who had bought gold from him, was terrified of what he had done, they voluntary handed the gold in. Because there had been made meticulous drawings of the horns, they were remade. But still, not the same.
The poet I am going to quote is one of the most famous in Denmark - Adam Oehlenschläger - he wrote the pome “Guldhornene” just after the horns went missing, in 1802. It’s a very long poem expressing immense pain over this theft; here is an extract that should tell you something about people’s feelings, THEN and NOW. First, he describes the discovery of the horns, demonstrating some quite hard core pagan feelings:
“A far and silent rumbling increasing to a deafening thunder swept over the Nord. Over clifftops from Norway the wind is blowing, increasing to a storming wild roar, embracing the valleys of Denmark. The woods are shivering, the birds are quit. Suddenly, silence is embracing everything. Our ancestors have returned; coming to teach us where to find the true Gods and true values. A female and a male, daughter and son with the strength of their ancestors, will now be led to holy shrines. Don’t look at the gold with blinded eyes only seeing the gold; interpret and understand the holy mysterious symbols surrounding the sides of the horns. Look at our ancestors and our Gods glowing, forever part of us, within us and within everything in nature. Fill the horns with the blood of Jesus, as Blood in the groves”.
The “far and silent rumbling” is a reference to Thor and the ancestors far away in distant time, trying to be heard by their descendants. The reference to “Blood in the groves” is a referance to blóts (offerings) which still is held to this day, and the poet is not a fan of Jesus. He continue to describe the feelings after the horns had gone missing, he saw it as a punishment from the Gods because we had forgot the spiritual life and true values.
“We, their children, are screaming to them (our ancestors and Gods): “STAY WITH US!” But the sky turned all black, storms are roaring!. What they gave, they now have taken back. For ever gone, are the holy horns”.
Well then, you know nothing about the property laws of your country. The landowner and federal system have precedence over your perspective. Your statement shows your ignorance in legal affairs.
Interesting and cool.The Viks were robbers and today all these women are robbing the brit men of these jobs. by being there and by affirmative action. the stuff is still not with the rightful owners.
I think you're in the wrong comment section.
Kate Kennard was inappropriately dressed for this video!
I think your comment is inappropriate.
She looked great
Someone's wife caught him staring and made him write that....
Sad to say I had a hard time paying attention to the jewellery with boobs as a background.
Then again, that is a common theme for me and necklaces.
As a professional speaking in a professional capacity, cleavage is not appropriate and she should know that. Why do the directors of these videos not say, "Go change into something more professional?"
vikings....maybe..maybe not..
Tired of boob cracks.
Why on earth would you be tired of boob cracks?!
James Ash She only has an ass crack and is jealous
Mole! Moley moley mole lol sorry had too