Considering that some high current loads could be active at the time of disconnect, I would flip the generator input breaker at the panel first instead of at the generator. Why? Because opening a circuit with high current flow will cause an arc and the breaker in the panel is more durable than the ones they installed in the generator. It is also easier to replace on failure.
Great video! Keep in mind, that genny puts out a high THD. Be careful powering sensitive electronics, which is just about everything today. The Westinghouse WGEN115000TFC has a bit more power output, is TriFuel and the most important feature is a THD less than 5%.
@@marcusguajrdo73 Seems odd that Predator only offfer 90 day warranty and Westinghouse comes with a 3 year warranty if its so cheap why such a big difference. I did some research and most of the Westinghouse are copper wound as well. They do have a few aluminum on the very low end, but most are copper wound I think. I am still shopping around myself.
I keep reading statements like this everywhere but I also keep hearing that it’s not a big deal and people have been using regular generators for decades with no problem. Even the power company has a much larger total harmonic distortion than 5%. I’m still shopping around d myself and don’t claim to be an expert
An electrical engineer tested a 13k tri with a legit meter device and got 6%. Just because predator states the 23% does not mean it is that high. Funny that there is always this comment, duromax reps earning their coin for sure.
Pretty sweet setup! One question though, why do you have your panel outside the house and not in the shop? Worst case situation: Someone could roll up and shut the entire house down from outside.
Thank you! I have that panel outside, a 200a sub panel in the shop, and a 125a sub panel in the living area. Most houses have a main disconnect at the service panel outside like mine. It’s pretty crazy but yes, a lot of people could have their entire house shut down from the outside!
Very informative. Straightforward, clear and very easy to understand. Really appreciate the helpful information. I'll use this to ask my electrician about a propane-based whole-house solution for my house and barn. Again, very helpful and clear. Much appreciated from the Virginia Piedmont.
I just purchased the same generator for our new house. I had electricians wire a power feed from my shop back to the house during the build. I can now power back to the house main panel from the shop and only need to roll generator around the corner under my porch roof
Beautiful home and great idea. I did the same thing on my house a couple years ago. Is there a reason you used 8 GA versus 6 GA? 8 GA is rated for 40 amps whereas 6 GA is 55A. Typically use 6 GA wire for 50A breakers. By code around here you’d have to swap out the 50A breaker for a 40 since the wire couldn’t handle the 50A. Just wanted to make sure you knew that. Cheers!
Thank you! Wire size depends on a few factors, if you are using a romex or cable you would size off the 60 degree chart but because I’m using THHN wiring it’s rated for the 75 or 90 degree chart. 75 degree chart for #8 is rated for 50a and 90 degree chart is rated for 55a. But that’s why the premade cable had to be #6 wiring. because the 60 degree chart. Hope that makes sense!
I saw a short video on this generator not put out the right amount of power damaging stuff in the home . No problems on your end ? I’m thinking he was trying to sell a voltage reader
Excellent video and I have the same Generator thus, purchased it for this exact same need. It's a dirty sinewave but it gets the job done for the cost value. I'll be doing the exact same transfer switch setup, with the only exception of upgrading to 6AWG for load values vs the 8AWG and never have to look at it again. Thank you for the clear shot video.
@@timnevitt2993 well dirty power does not hurt electronics as most electronics have filters on their input power supply. Next its the voltage spikes that hurt the electronics. Most electronics use 105-240V so any voltage in that area is safe, if the voltage goes above 240V, thats when you have an issue. Next most name brand generators might have "dirty" power but they clean up once they go under load. They are only "dirty" when on idle and no load because there is no reason to be clean with no load. Next a guy here on TH-cam did show a champion generator and showed the "dirty" sinewave under idle but when he put a load on it, it cleaned up a lot.
@@stinerart1 I believe that "clean" power is a $$ scam gimmick. And i have seen the sine wave from an inverter generator and its actually CLEANER than the power from the utility. And if the utility power being somewhat dirty does not damage electronics, i dont think a little more dirty power from a generator will do anything. As i said before, there is NO evidence of electronics being damaged from "dirty" power but def YES from voltage spikes
It's not an Inverter generator, with a surge like that, it will burn out your smart TVs and computers, and cable box. And it was surging because it was barely powering his house.
Electrician here.We generally use #6 for 50 Amps.However, those short whips being #8 shouldn’t cause issues. That said great set up. I’m about to do the same thing at my house. I’m running natural gas though.
Great video and nice setup. This is the only video I’ve found where the generator inlet box is attached directly to the side of the panel. Is that acceptable? Is there a reason more people don’t do it? Thanks.
Thanks i have the same generator but dont know how to setup my home. I have a fuse panel so im not sure how to connect it because it isn’t a breaker panel. I know i need to pull the main out when using a generator but can i use a fuse instead of a breaker to feed my generator into the home?
Only need sine wave for sensitive electronics, but you can buy inexpensiveline filters and protect everything. Way more affordable. That said, I've been using noisy generators for years and never had a problem.
Will not run an entire house with AC/Heater running. You need at least an 18000 kvw generator to barely run everything in your house. If you want to run your AC, Heater, fridge, septic pumps, TV, a couple lights, you need 26000 kvw generator.
Those that are thinking of generators, I would recommend this generator due to the price of it, as well as the fact that it is multiple gas if need to be, but one thing that I would like to let people know since I own it, I would know getting more wattage using Gasoline so that 13,000 W is gasoline and on a raisin occasions you can get close to that with propane but not completely with propane you can get about 11,000 W maybe 12,000 W so that’s something for people to think about if they’re looking for a generator is yes you get a generator that gets multiple gasbut each gas type produces a different amount of wattage
You need to change your wires to 6 gauge if you want to use the 50 amp breaker. Number 8 is rated for 40 amps and number 6 is rated for 55 amps. Currently you will burn up your wire before you trip your breaker.
The chances of the generator putting out more than 9600 watts continuously (40 amps at 240V) is pretty low. There's circuit diversity factors that can be taken into account. Ampacity is also dependant of the temperature rating of the insulation and the length of the run.
I'm sure it charges it on its own battery charging but I have also seen people who plugged the trickle charger into one of the 120v outlets, and had additional charging while running seems unnecessary.
He is probably thinking about NM not THHN but you aren’t supposed to exceed 80% of the rating for safety so #8 THHN would be 40amp continuous safe but I’d guess you’re fine either way.
I’d imagine in real life if he’s running absolutely everything and taching out that generator. He could walk over and grab that extension cord, Feeling of it. I’d be shocked if it was ever hot or even warm to the touch. I’ve been running set ups just like his for years myself.
And if you use propane, you should always slowly open your propane tanks just opening them full blast like he did could potentially run the propane control bladder system
So if you can run 8 hours on five gallons to run 24 hours at 3 dollars per gallon that’s 45 dollars a day to be smart about this having a battery backup would help but yes the battery are not cheap. Good video guy.
Ha, I'm in Houston now and it's day 8 with no power. 10w30 oil is hard to find, spark plugs are scarce and anything electrical related to generators are sold out so everyone stock up on these extra parts. Filters, plugs, oil, and definitely gas
I saw a short video on this generator not put out the right amount of power damaging stuff in the home . No problems on your end ? I’m thinking he was trying to sell a voltage reader
Every house I have owned I have done this. Great job!
Considering that some high current loads could be active at the time of disconnect, I would flip the generator input breaker at the panel first instead of at the generator. Why? Because opening a circuit with high current flow will cause an arc and the breaker in the panel is more durable than the ones they installed in the generator. It is also easier to replace on failure.
Thank you for the info!
Great video! Keep in mind, that genny puts out a high THD. Be careful powering sensitive electronics, which is just about everything today. The Westinghouse WGEN115000TFC has a bit more power output, is TriFuel and the most important feature is a THD less than 5%.
Thanks for this useful information
Just bought a 13000 Predator
Will go Shipp for a Westinghouse
They are hard to find
Cheap generator predator uses copper wire
@@marcusguajrdo73 Seems odd that Predator only offfer 90 day warranty and Westinghouse comes with a 3 year warranty if its so cheap why such a big difference. I did some research and most of the Westinghouse are copper wound as well. They do have a few aluminum on the very low end, but most are copper wound I think. I am still shopping around myself.
I keep reading statements like this everywhere but I also keep hearing that it’s not a big deal and people have been using regular generators for decades with no problem. Even the power company has a much larger total harmonic distortion than 5%. I’m still shopping around d myself and don’t claim to be an expert
An electrical engineer tested a 13k tri with a legit meter device and got 6%. Just because predator states the 23% does not mean it is that high. Funny that there is always this comment, duromax reps earning their coin for sure.
Any info on how long a tank of propane will last on continuous run and what the decible level is of the generator?
Well depends on what size tank I bet.
Did you have to mess with the generator to change bonded neutral to floating or is it ok to leave it as is?
Pretty sweet setup! One question though, why do you have your panel outside the house and not in the shop? Worst case situation: Someone could roll up and shut the entire house down from outside.
Thank you! I have that panel outside, a 200a sub panel in the shop, and a 125a sub panel in the living area. Most houses have a main disconnect at the service panel outside like mine. It’s pretty crazy but yes, a lot of people could have their entire house shut down from the outside!
8:24 u can see the light in the back normal, and at 10:55 we can see it flashing. That means the energy quality must be pretty bad
You are very correct, plus it was barely powering his house.
Very informative. Straightforward, clear and very easy to understand. Really appreciate the helpful information. I'll use this to ask my electrician about a propane-based whole-house solution for my house and barn. Again, very helpful and clear. Much appreciated from the Virginia Piedmont.
Thank you!
You are very inspiring and this is the kind of life I’m starting to build
Thank you!
I just purchased the same generator for our new house. I had electricians wire a power feed from my shop back to the house during the build. I can now power back to the house main panel from the shop and only need to roll generator around the corner under my porch roof
You made that look so easy...thanks. Suggest you take a serious look at the power quality rating of that generator (THD
Beautiful home and great idea. I did the same thing on my house a couple years ago. Is there a reason you used 8 GA versus 6 GA? 8 GA is rated for 40 amps whereas 6 GA is 55A. Typically use 6 GA wire for 50A breakers. By code around here you’d have to swap out the 50A breaker for a 40 since the wire couldn’t handle the 50A. Just wanted to make sure you knew that. Cheers!
Thank you! Wire size depends on a few factors, if you are using a romex or cable you would size off the 60 degree chart but because I’m using THHN wiring it’s rated for the 75 or 90 degree chart. 75 degree chart for #8 is rated for 50a and 90 degree chart is rated for 55a. But that’s why the premade cable had to be #6 wiring. because the 60 degree chart. Hope that makes sense!
Per NEC your are not to exceed 80% of the load. That would fail inspection with 8AWG. Just be careful doing DIY.
Code reference?
He knew
Great video! Love what you did with putting the channel name above the work bench btw
Thank you!
I saw a short video on this generator not put out the right amount of power damaging stuff in the home . No problems on your end ? I’m thinking he was trying to sell a voltage reader
Man that interlock is a great idea! Thanks for showing that!
Excellent video and I have the same Generator thus, purchased it for this exact same need. It's a dirty sinewave but it gets the job done for the cost value. I'll be doing the exact same transfer switch setup, with the only exception of upgrading to 6AWG for load values vs the 8AWG and never have to look at it again. Thank you for the clear shot video.
how do you know its dirty ?
@@ACommenterOnTH-cam because it dont have inverter to clean up the power wave
@@timnevitt2993 well dirty power does not hurt electronics as most electronics have filters on their input power supply.
Next its the voltage spikes that hurt the electronics.
Most electronics use 105-240V so any voltage in that area is safe, if the voltage goes above 240V, thats when you have an issue.
Next most name brand generators might have "dirty" power but they clean up once they go under load. They are only "dirty" when on idle and no load because there is no reason to be clean with no load.
Next a guy here on TH-cam did show a champion generator and showed the "dirty" sinewave under idle but when he put a load on it, it cleaned up a lot.
@@ACommenterOnTH-cam my 13k has run everything no problem. No flickering or drama from devices at all.
@@stinerart1 I believe that "clean" power is a $$ scam gimmick.
And i have seen the sine wave from an inverter generator and its actually CLEANER than the power from the utility.
And if the utility power being somewhat dirty does not damage electronics, i dont think a little more dirty power from a generator will do anything.
As i said before, there is NO evidence of electronics being damaged from "dirty" power but def YES from voltage spikes
Would this unit run a smaller home with furnace, refrigerator, freezers, ac and accessories to dryer
Can see your light surging in shop.. what’s thd on this unit.. I’m looking to do same and had this one in mind or the 9500 inverter
23%
Probably terrible. No inverter
It's not an Inverter generator, with a surge like that, it will burn out your smart TVs and computers, and cable box. And it was surging because it was barely powering his house.
I have the same generator you do. How can I get a list of items that you used for your project. I want to do the same thing. Thanks.
Electrician here.We generally use #6 for 50 Amps.However, those short whips being #8 shouldn’t cause issues.
That said great set up. I’m about to do the same thing at my house. I’m running natural gas though.
Great video and nice setup. This is the only video I’ve found where the generator inlet box is attached directly to the side of the panel. Is that acceptable? Is there a reason more people don’t do it? Thanks.
Thanks i have the same generator but dont know how to setup my home. I have a fuse panel so im not sure how to connect it because it isn’t a breaker panel. I know i need to pull the main out when using a generator but can i use a fuse instead of a breaker to feed my generator into the home?
The sinewave is very dirty on that generator, look at the light at 8:24 compared to 10:54 you need an inverter generator
That has less to do with THD and him trying to draw more than it can supply.
Only need sine wave for sensitive electronics, but you can buy inexpensiveline filters and protect everything. Way more affordable. That said, I've been using noisy generators for years and never had a problem.
Can you link what some of the filters are? This is a great idea, have not heard of this option before
@@Turbo_Todd Ad a surge protector to your panel box.
Will that setup run the house AC unit as well?
Will not run an entire house with AC/Heater running. You need at least an 18000 kvw generator to barely run everything in your house. If you want to run your AC, Heater, fridge, septic pumps, TV, a couple lights, you need 26000 kvw generator.
Great video...I am going to do this very soon. One question. When you say the entire house, does that include the central AC? Thanks
Thank you! Yes it does.
Make sure you install the Easy Start to your AC to ensure you can run AC with any portable generator.
@@lapprentice Thanks for that information. I will call my AC company and see what they say.
@@lapprentice With the easy start it does help, but you still need to have enough KVWs to run your entire house.
Those that are thinking of generators, I would recommend this generator due to the price of it, as well as the fact that it is multiple gas if need to be, but one thing that I would like to let people know since I own it, I would know getting more wattage using Gasoline so that 13,000 W is gasoline and on a raisin occasions you can get close to that with propane but not completely with propane you can get about 11,000 W maybe 12,000 W so that’s something for people to think about if they’re looking for a generator is yes you get a generator that gets multiple gasbut each gas type produces a different amount of wattage
You need to change your wires to 6 gauge if you want to use the 50 amp breaker. Number 8 is rated for 40 amps and number 6 is rated for 55 amps. Currently you will burn up your wire before you trip your breaker.
The chances of the generator putting out more than 9600 watts continuously (40 amps at 240V) is pretty low. There's circuit diversity factors that can be taken into account. Ampacity is also dependant of the temperature rating of the insulation and the length of the run.
@@Nicholas2011ist breakers are sized to protect the wire. It would never pass inspection. It's your building.
Unless I’m missing something, #8 THHN on the 75 degree chart is rated for 50a.
I'm sure it charges it on its own battery charging but I have also seen people who plugged the trickle charger into one of the 120v outlets, and had additional charging while running seems unnecessary.
What 50amp cable did you purchase?
Thanks. Good to know these connecting steps. Easy to forget. Have the same setup for 2nd home. Duromax 1300 dual fuel.
I'm new here and I don't see a link to "the web site" for a list of parts.
Sorry I forgot to add it to the description. I got all of my parts from www.geninterlock.com
dude, you need #6 for a 50 amp not #8. under size wire will heat up and catch fire before the breaker trips under the rite conditions!!!!
Code reference? #8 THHN on 75 chart is 50a?
He is probably thinking about NM not THHN but you aren’t supposed to exceed 80% of the rating for safety so #8 THHN would be 40amp continuous safe but I’d guess you’re fine either way.
The generator is only capable of 41 amps at max load with gasoline. On propane is 9100watts 9100 divided by 240 volts equals 37.9 amps.
I’d imagine in real life if he’s running absolutely everything and taching out that generator. He could walk over and grab that extension cord, Feeling of it. I’d be shocked if it was ever hot or even warm to the touch. I’ve been running set ups just like his for years myself.
Super helpful to former city-folks like me! 😂
And if you use propane, you should always slowly open your propane tanks just opening them full blast like he did could potentially run the propane control bladder system
Who does the install? Can you please recommend someone in Houston area?
How does one know if power from the main grid is back?
I’m pretty sure the meter readout would only be on if the power was on. So if that readout was visible the power should be back on.
What is the dimensions of the box-- the generator comes in. Wanting to know if I need to rent a truck or my van can work.
A lot of businesses ship for free…I got a generator from HD and they shipped. Cus yes they are heavy.
If your van has double doors, it's more than enough.
well edited!
Thank you!
got the generator, now I need the wire up kit.
Can it power 3.5 ton ac unit also
No
Bit of advice, change that #8 wire and replace it with a #6 wire.
Nice view @ 12:00
dude!! killer. Thanks for this video. I'm so sick of our power outages over here been looking for an affordable solution!
Folks You can use a surge suppressor in line for electronics with these. Other than that nothing else is going to be affected greatly.
Well done young man.
Dumb question..The output plug on the generator says 42 amp max...why do you say it has a 50?
The outlet is a 14-50R. It is a 50 amp receptacle whether or not the generator can put out 50 amps.
Great video, well explained
hows my boy Jet a doing?
Unfortunately Jet passed away last year.. But you can see our dogs Mesa and Roxi in this video!
Great video by the way
10k running watts for $1100 ...... How dirty is that power after 50% capacity ??
It's a 13,000 running 10,500 watts.
@@marcusharley3064 No its not. Its 13k STARTING watts and 10k running watts
@@ACommenterOnTH-cam Forgot my comma man, 13,000 , running 10,500 watts.
@@marcusharley3064 You are still wrong.
To correct you a 2nd time:
Its 13,000 STARTING watts
AND 10,000 RUNNING watts
Like a damn boss bro great video!
What is the winding made of?
Should have used 6G wire with 50 amp breaker
So if you can run 8 hours on five gallons to run 24 hours at 3 dollars per gallon that’s 45 dollars a day to be smart about this having a battery backup would help but yes the battery are not cheap. Good video guy.
Great video.
I’m in ahh of the landscape,not a neighbor in sight
I sent you an email about an emergency hand pump I own a company that build easy to use and install emergency hand pumps for wells
any needs of generator power range 1kw-2500kw , feel free to let me know.
Remember to buy spark plugs for your generator.😅
Ha, I'm in Houston now and it's day 8 with no power. 10w30 oil is hard to find, spark plugs are scarce and anything electrical related to generators are sold out so everyone stock up on these extra parts. Filters, plugs, oil, and definitely gas
Don't run 10w30.
Run 0w40 or 5w40 full synthetic.
They hold up much better. Even still, I drain and fill every 48 hours of constant run time.
I don't know why predator generators don't automatically charge the battery, annoys me that you need a seperate cable to charge the battery
Good idea Eco flow delta pro 3 system check online and emergency backup power whole home
I’m considering the Ecoflow DPU
#6 wire is for 50 amps. #8 is for 30 amps he keeps saying #8 wire but it looks like #6
Skipping through parts on the video. No sub. Show the entire process
67 bucks for that little piece of sheet metal? Stupid expensive
how is the thd on this? id be worried about powering tvs and shit on something with higher than 5% thd
TVs arent really a concern anymore.
Stoves, fridge, AC... That's what Im worried about.
23%
I saw a short video on this generator not put out the right amount of power damaging stuff in the home . No problems on your end ? I’m thinking he was trying to sell a voltage reader