Chandler Halderson: How Snapchat Caught a Killer
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- Discover how a killer was brought to justice using Snapchat in the shocking case of Chandler Halderson. Uncover the disturbing details behind this chilling crime and its digital trail to conviction.
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I feel so bad for Cat, the girlfriend. It must have been devastating to learn that the man you love has lied about 1) every part of his daily life, 2) the future you’ll have together, and 3) is able to kill his truly kind parents.
I feel especially terrible for the older brother Mitchell. For all he knew, his brother was becoming a respectable young man with several different job prospects, a longterm plan & his parents were proud of both of them. Then he went from thinking his parents had gone missing, to thinking his parents were dead, to having to realize that his brother was a manipulative sociopath who'd destroyed their immediate family. Chandler at least theoretically could've told his parents goodbye or seen them one last time but Mitchell got no such chance. No funeral to see them off either. Mitchell basically has no immediate family now (not including his brother or fiancée), and his only sibling is a double murderer who'll never be let out of prison. This is like the Joel Guy Jr case except the family was at least bigger in that case. That family could be tighter-knit bc of losing their parents from a murderous tragedy but Mitchell has nobody left who knows his pain 🫤
I went through like an eighth of what this woman has gone through. And it wrecked me.
11 years spent with her, 6 recovering. Good chunk of my life.
Learned my ex wasn't anything she lied as being.
It's a very hard thing to grasp and I still can't. Trying to think about what I learned were her actual thoughts vs how she presented herself. The thought process is so foreign, it still hurts to even try to comprehend.
What this woman has to go through, I can't even imagine. I was manipulated in ways others would never believe. This woman was probably manipulated in ways even I wouldn't believe.
*my ex is diagnoses borderline personality disorder. This guy is probably Narcissist personality disorder. Both are Axis 2 disorders, hence somewhat similar - but you can see how narcissist can be a bit worse.
Right? Hopefully she was able to move on and find someone who is honest and isn't a scumbucket double murderer who is too lazy to even try to properly cover up their crimes.
Worse still - if he could kill his parents, he could kill you. If she had stumbled across their corpses that night, I fully believe she would've been killed too.
@droomzy If it makes you feel any better, Krista had an incredibly close relationship with her childhood best friend that persisted into adulthood. They were so close that they regarded each other as sisters, and their respective families also regarded the other as family. Mitchell, at least, has them to fall back on. Still though, that doesn't make up for the fact that your entire nuclear family is just swept away overnight. I feel really sorry for him too
Considering how this kid didn’t understand that his mom wouldn’t just randomly ditch work, I can see why he was having employment issues.
Cannot tell what you are trying to say.
@@eadweard.Chandler’s initial lie revolved around the fact his mom just up and skipped work without telling anyone. The comment infers that Chandler’s lackadaisical attitude to just skip work without a second thought means he’s lazy.
@eadweard Everybody who knew her knew something wasn't right when she missed work because she had a strong work ethic. That gave everything away. Chandler never considered this would be a red flag because he has NO work ethic so he never considered people thinking it strange that she played hookie THREE DAYS IN A ROW.
The story he came up with clearly shows he did not know who his parents were, everyone who actually knew them all said on the stand that story of them ditching work to go with an unknown couple on a trip to gamble and drink made no sense.
As an employer, 100% “What do you mean I can’t take off for a football game I knew about well in advance and had the chance to call off for, but didn’t..?” We let go at least 3 employees this season for no shows(one of them just had to work a different day of the week, but wouldn’t…)It’s honestly something we’ve seen over the last 30 years in business: the quality/character of young workers has proverbially fallen off a cliff in the last 15-20 years…😳some seem to think they are just entitled to a job and don’t have to actually do the work they’re supposed to do for said job…We actually had a father come to our store and get combative with us for letting his daughter go…She was lying to her dad about going to work, he was singing a different tune when we showed him the hours and all the times she had off(which she said she spent working)
Defense lawyer: what evidence?
Prosecutor: alphabetically or chronologically?
Heck, could even go by evens or odds to start, add more billable hours.
😂😂😂
I believe they went chronologically if I remember the trial correctly. It was fantastic.
Prosecution said, “B. E. T.”.
It was painful to watch the Defense when it was their turn. You should watch their closing argument 😂 It was So Bad! They had Nothing to defend him with At All!
Murdering, dismembering, and attempting to _cremate_ two fully grown adult bodies to cover up his laziness was probably the most Chandler has ever actually worked in his life.
Sounds a lot like Joel Guy
And the most stupid. Clearly wasn't aware how much fat was involved, or the temperatures required for cremation. Also didn't even think of how their Estates or Finances would/could be resolved without any bodies or proof of death.
It appears the first thing he did after snuffing out the lives of the two people who gave him everything he had in the world, was to write a to-do list which included getting a job, which it seems was the one thing he's been avoiding for 3-4 years. So his priorities were backwards.
He's also severely jealous of his very normal, sensible older brother, but not prepared to learn from his excellent example. Stupid doesn't cover it.
Chandler's parents are probably the type of people who would've forgiven him and still done their best to help him succeed if he just told them the truth. That's gotta be a safer bet than murder
Ikr? So heartbreaking 💔
…the ultimate betrayal from your beloved child. I have such strong unconditional love for my children and family…so I just can’t fathom this unbelievable brutality and coldness!
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I thought so too. Especially, his mom. She seemed so devoted to her family.
@@vsanchez7158 According to everyone who knew her, she was the kindest person and the best mom ever. To know that such a wonderful woman was taken from this world from her own son, I just, I can't.
Yes, but you have to understand... He would feel bad if he was forced to admit his lies, and so there was no option... Because how little he values his loved ones compared avoiding uncomfortable feelings.
@@kathrynbillinghurst188 you condemned your children to death...
I mean not realizing your son is literally concocting EVERYTHING is completely understandable. What's more likely? Your son is faking literally everything? Or they're just having a string of accidents or bad luck? Most people would not assume downright lying for quite a long time.
Yeah. Either he's having a string of bad luck or it's just one bit of bad luck, like Identity theft that is gradually getting worse. It would be easier to believe that both of his jobs were scams set up to steal his banking information, leading to all the rest of the stuff that "happened" to him, than to think he was the one going to such lengths to fake it all.
Exactly. No one would ever expect someone they know to have put that much effort into faking their entire life, let alone their child.
It’s more strange that they raised him and didn’t know him. He became an adult who could lie like that without them noticing. Usually I might guess that was because they were “hands off” but here they are described as “helicopter hovering”. I find it difficult to imagine living with a child who is as much of a stranger to you as anyone on the street.
Something doesn’t add up. There’s an element missing.
Maybe Chandler was born with “psychopath brain”? Even then I have doubts because even the neuroscientist who discovered it (James H Fallon) turned out to have the same condition, and yet he never offed anyone. Fallon was just one of many cases proving nature (born that way) isn’t more important than nurture (being raised that way).
Something element is missing, even if Chandler is a born psycho, because other cases of people offing their parents in order to keep living a lie usually have some other element that triggers the response of “offing them is best option”.
@@M-_-O They said it was narcissism, didn't they, that he would rather kill, than face the embarrassment of his lies being exposed?
@@xsanguine8 I guess? Narcissism doesn’t explain what he thought would happen next. Narcissists who take out their family have a “reason” like money or pride/ego. Also they have a plan to collect insurance or start over elsewhere in order to maintain that proud self image. I can’t think of another case where the perpetrator was just going to wing it one day at a time. Nor can I think of one with no hesitation for shooting and dismemberment on the first try. Usually they build up to it with animals. I guess I still feel like there’s a missing link.
Obviously if Cat had anything to do with it, Chandler would have attempted to throw her under the bus
I also believe she's got nothing to do with it. Just because she's a nonchalant girl, doesn't mean she's suspicious. She really looked like she's always like that no matter what. Her baseline is being nonchalant.
Cat cried on the stand when talking about her (almost) in-laws, Bart & Krista. She felt so much more for them than their own 2nd Son did.
I actually read on another comment section (i think it mightve been EWUs video on this case) that theorized that Chandler was actually trying to frame Cat for the crime so he could get off. I think it's an interesting theory only one problem: Chandler Halderson is really really stupid and I don't think he came up with a plan like that it was probably just a coincidence
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If I correctly recall, a bag with Cat's name was found near some of Bart's remains. What a sickening case.
I'm glad the police jumped on Chandler the way they did in the interrogation. He was probably planning on planting seeds against Cat if he'd been allowed to keep talking the way he was, but then prompting him to lawyer up and stop talking must've done her a lot of favours.
I hope she finds some peace.
I watched the Halderson trial. Not only did the state have an airtight case, the district attorneys did an aboslutely brilliant job presenting it and the defense didn't seem to do much (not that there was much to do, honestly.). It was interesting.
William Brown *was* an absolute legend. Absolute.
I did too! Honestly, Brown’s performance was an absolute master class! To this day I’ve not seen its’ match!
The assistant defense, that brunette woman, was so rude! Every time she objected, she had this snotty attitude.
Chandler's defense attorneys had absolutely nothing with which to work. Watching them try to defend him was painful, pathetic, and cringey. In fact, all they could do was essentially lie.
"Chandler Halderson did not kill his parents," was the opening line to their opening statement.
I'm like, "Girlfriend, U know U B jive talkin'."
We have the luck to see a perfect prosecutor handling a perfect case.
I agree, for a case with no witnesses to the actual murders, the evidence was pretty much watertight. The strongest argument the Defence came up with was that various witnesses hadn't ever been alone with Chandler to know what his normal demeanor was. So the Prosecution stopped relying on it, it wasn't really relevant in someone who lied so often and so easily.
Many years ago, I screwed up my junior year of college and wound up on academic dismissal. I had to face my parents, who had been paying for my education. Many crazy thoughts went through my head as to how to avoid this, including cutting off communication or moving to another state. The idea of literally murdering them in order to avoid this confrontation never even went through my head. Chandler Halderson is a twisted specimen of humanity - he faced a situation that many other people have been through, but his response to it was something completely unthinkable to just about any person.
Except Jennifer Pan and Joel Guy...
For my sister, it was her senior year and she actually managed to convince my mom she graduated because she was somehow able to walk in the ceremony without having actually graduated. I only found out because my wife works at the university and she stumbled on her file one day. Other than the loans my sister has to pay back, she is doing well enough so I figure it's best not to tell my mom, who'd probably lose it if she found out.
@@airypersiflage Well, I did say "just about". I know that Chandler is not the only messed-up killer out there.
I failed university three times before i found a better path. My parents were never in danger.
Shattering the image a narcissist has created of themself and revealing that you see them for who they really are is quite dangerous.
I 100% misheard him and thought he said "Daddy wrote me a script" 😂
Danny is Script Daddy, confirmed 😂😂
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What if Danny's jokes about being locked up in Simon's basement are actually there to cover up for him having Simon locked in his basement?
@@vulpes7079 truly the best Uno Reverse 😂😂
HILARIOUS 😂😂
"Children murdering their parents because they lied about going to college" can be its own subgenre of True Crime
I have a problem.
Normal people: let's find a solution.
Idiots: murder?
I think the thing I love most about these is just hearing weird snippits about Simon's kids, reminds me of whenever I talk to my sisters about my nieces.
It’s adorable. And I find myself invested in how Simon grows as a parent.
I know Simon is uncomfortable with us having any kind of para social relationship with the baby whistlers but same. . Wee snippet of stories and seeing how much he adores them
Ah, the way he handles it, we have a parasocial relationship with Simon's Fatherhood and not with the Baby Whistlers. 😉
I think hearing funny stories about kids are fine. It's only when people are constantly filming every moment of their kids lives and broadcasting embarrassing or private moments that it becomes an issue. I don't think SW even says his kids NAMES.
@@laurendearnley9595 HE says names, they are just different every time. I think one time his son was called apple and his daughter orange or something like that 😂
My first thought during the early parts of the story was that Chandler was either a serial liar or his concussion had completely flipped his brain.
It kinda gave me Casey Anthony lying about working at Universal vibes as it went on. Dude was making up an entire life that everyone would be happy with and just coming up with new kits lies to cover the old ones when they started to wear a little.
Everything just sounded a little too good to be true, especially the Space-X job.
If you have a chance, I would highly recommend watching the prosecutors opening statement. Probably the most damning opening statement I've ever heard in many years of watching trials. The jury might as well have just gone straight to deliberations.
The concussion was also a lie
Same here, til I heard the bit about the concussion being way less severe than he'd made it out to be.
@@tasselskeep3385 Kinda. He did have a concussion, just not one anywhere near as severe as he made it out to be.
May we please have back the small sound that plays at each section title? It helps with following the flow of the narration.
Another wonderful script Danny!
I just saw a transaction while reading this comment just now, I knew something felt missing!
This story seems to happen all the time in true crime. Person, usually a man, lies to hype himself up while achieving nothing- or losing what they have- and then kills to protect their lies/reputation.
I mean compulsive liars come in all sexes. You only see this because, generally, men are more likely to commit murder
Love it when Danny scripts a lengthy tangent about Snapchat features that Simon unwittingly reads 😂
😂 "I enjoy when the killer is caught because they're stupid." On account of that, this one should be premium enjoyment! Though listening to the call with Omar Jobe still gives me second-hand nervousness.
This is why I could never be a true crime writer of recent crimes. Diligent research would require watching awkward police interviews and whatnot.
22:42 the “pool” party was when Cresent and Dolce were naked swimming alone and chandler just showed up. 😂 those two were characters.
@erraticonteuse Watching Chandler's interview- omg! I don't think I've ever seen a killer try to bore the cops to death as an evasion tactic.
@LaPenserosa1 go watch the interview with his girlfriend! It's crazyyyyyyy!
Highly recommend watching the prosecutor opening statement from start to finish followed by the defense opening. Jury might as well have just called it a day at that point. The testimony of the guy who unknowingly supplied the murder weapon was also wild.
his poor brother. loosing your parents is one thing, loosing them at the hand of your looser brother. Thats going to be years of therapy
If Cat was in on it, why would she give her phone to the police? No, those rumours are just that, rumours. False ones.
Yes he fooled her and many others until…!
So very senseless and tragic. He’s like the textbook ‘dirty rotten scoundrel’!
Practiced pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes since he was very young. This spoiled brat had it so good all his life that he lacked the skills to understand ‘consequences’ for his extreme actions and deceptions.
For real, let me just give you my phone if I texted, called etc about a murder on it. Yeah nothings gonna come from that 😂
It's ridiculous that anyone would think she was in on it.
Yesh if you ever see her interview her shock is pretty hard to deny. She had no part in this.
@@ps3andrhcp She was so forthcoming, and she gave so many damning details that a guilty person would have known to leave out. There's no rational question about her lack of involvement.
The effort Chandler spent in concocting tales of lies and deceit...could've been spent looking for a job and/or going back to college.
Hell, just pour all that effort into writing a book or something along narrative building lines.
Right? The lengths he went to just to avoid getting a job...
Or WRITING professionally!!! It is mind-blowing how people don't realize that they have a talent that they could live off of instead of using to manipulate with. ANYBODY who concocts stories to this degree is a WRITER, whether they know it or not. They write stories every single day!
@@TortoiseJames yes but writing isn't as fun or exciting as manipulating the people around you like some fallout script; gotta scratch that sociopathic itch
@@apple-cv2xjLOL. I'll give you that.
I’m just imagining Simon walking around in the mud picking up rotting pears with a grabber and putting them in a bin
It is a funny mental image. Him miserable the whole time 😂
What...WHAT??? SIMON....MISERABLE...?!?!?! NO NO NEVER! NEVER NEVER N E V E R RRRR RRRR.😂😅😮 WE LOVE THE CASUAL CRIMINALIST ❤🤗
I can't imagine that, and from the sound of it, neither can Simon!
@@0shark096I have to agree. Simon doing anything manual, even as easy as picking up pears, is anything but imaginable 🤣
Right? Or maybe in some corner where they keep a compost pile
It's subtle, but I think asking his Mom to stop and get soda on her way home when he surely had already decided to murder her pretty clearly shows you how psycho this guy is.
I think that was a ploy to delay her as he wasn't ready for her, yet. And he was just thirsty.
@@tryink688 Possibly...but even if it was, my point stands. The juxtaposition of him having a parent willing to go out of their way to get him some soda and plotting to murder that parent is kind of surreal.
That’s the part that makes me the most sad out of all this horror. It’s such a normal interaction, and such a sweet favor from his mom, and she has no idea the evil in her son and what she’s about to face when she gets home
I figured he knew he wouldn’t have the parents’ money buying food anymore and wanted to get soda one more time before he had to be careful with what cash he had available before it ran out. It’s just awful. His mom was rooting for him, with the “meeting” at the school. She seemed like the sweetest.
He propably wanted more time to clean up so that she would not immediatly notice something was wrong.
That telephone bit was pure magic
Yup, spot on. I'm a therapist, and my narcissism meter was buzzing the whole time. My theory is that he lacks the ability to take perspective so he's less able to cover his lies well. Maybe he was relying on charm and gaslighting to pull through and hadn't developed real skills of deception. Maybe he was too sheltered to have learned to problem solve at a deeper level. Maybe he was just too caught up in thinking "Only I know best" to accept educated help from his lawyers. Whatever his deal was, I just shake my head at his spectacular series of really, really bad decisions.
It’s more strange that they raised him and didn’t know him. He became an adult who could lie like that without them noticing. Usually I might guess that was because they were “hands off” but here they are described as “helicopter hovering”. I find it difficult to imagine living with a child who is as much of a stranger to you as anyone on the street.
Something doesn’t add up. There’s an element missing.
Maybe Chandler was born with “psychopath brain”? Even then I have doubts because even the neuroscientist who discovered it (James H Fallon) turned out to have the same condition, and yet he never offed anyone. Fallon was just one of many cases proving nature (born that way) isn’t more important than nurture (being raised that way).
Something element is missing, even if Chandler is a born psycho, because other cases of people offing their parents in order to keep living a lie usually have some other element that triggers the response of “offing them is best option”.
@M-_-O It’s more than just the parents not knowing him well. He clearly didn’t know them very well either. Something is seriously off. I do wonder if maybe there is something in the drug speculation. Or maybe it’s the fact that his parents didn’t push him and channel his ambitions the way he specifically needed to be. Or maybe there are other influences at play that are unaccounted for.
Most of his lies centered around his parents, the two people even the most socially blind people have an intuitive understanding how to talk to, and his girlfriend who in large parts simply trusted his parents. There were outside people who did not believe him a second, one witness who took the stand described how within minutes she became afraid of his behavior regarding his "missing" parents.
Oh great! A tale I've heard 100 times. Giddyup, Simon! I shan't skip a single word!
I thought at first that this one was previously covered. Lol
Not by Simon. But trust me I'm getting mixed up too. Thinking he covered some but he hadn't, and vice versa.
Please add an apostrophe to shan't it's hurting my head 🤣
@@slayingroosters4355 fixed it! Sorry! Hope you feel better soon.
Now I'M trying to remember where I heard it covered first!! 5 minutes in and I was already like, hang on a minute...
Damn, Sherlock Whistleboy NAILING it with the hunches today. 🏆
Cameras in the court room are a good thing imo, especially for the defendant. It shows an amount of transparency and aboveboardness. When anyone can watch in on the trials.
I don't see the downside. It's your day in court, if you're innocent then you want to be publically vindicated, and if you're being railroaded, far better chance someone who knows how the legal system works will notice and blow the whistle to help you.
Yeah, if America made sure people's identities weren't exposed while in court or accused (which I think would help the whole innocent before guilty thing and the latest issue with with people being punished by the public/work) then having no cameras would make sense
💁🏼♀️ “Mr. Madison’s secretary here” lmao 😂😂😂
This was extremely well written! I have heard this story before and yet the writer successfully kept my attention the entire time. Well done.
Great intelligent😮 team, working hard to bring absolutely élite presentations about ugly crimes and times. 👀
No matter how many times I’ve watched a crime documentary or news report, I think about when and how Simon will present this one!?!
Also, I wonder how he would be as Prime Minister?!? 🧐
Lols…😅
You should compost those pears, Simon. They'll improve your soil quite a bit
Agreed - it sounds like he needs a compost bin, a large shovel (for picking up the pairs now then mixing the compost later), and then a bunch of leaves as a carbon source
Also I can commiserate on the garden being a wreck feeling. Mine has been a thorn in my side for the past year and only recently I’ve resolved like 80% of the major items that aren’t ongoing maintenance. But still so much to do 😢😅
Right? It'd be way easier than having to bin them up all the time.
@@katla_phc Agreed, yard work is the pits. But at least we have Simon's ever increasing and expanding selection of channels and content with which to while away the hours of tedium that yard work entails.
Thanks for the laugh, what a great community Simon has: sympathy for the parents, Chandler is an ass, and out of nowhere- dude, compost the pears😂
Thank you Simon and Co for all the work you do!
That picture of the parents breaks my heart. They look so sweet. Wholesome hard working loving parents. They ended up with a monster. It doesn't make sense. Loving parents should equal loving children who grow to want to be there for you as you grow and roles change. Instead, it's a greedy, cold hearted, lying psychopath that met them.
The brain is terrifying when it goes wrong. Sometimes environment doesn’t matter, if there is brain damage or something wrong with the wiring then no amount of love can fix it.
Looks like I picked the right minute to check TH-cam!
🙄…yeah and I’m about 15 hours late!! 😅
🙋🏼♀️…15 hours late! Lols…😅
I love knowing the story, but love hearing Simon tell the story and him being totally clueless to what is gonna happen and having the best faith in people😂
Oh Chandler. You realise a lot of us had legitimate jobs working from home and still spent most of the day pissing around on video games?
If it's possible to have a favorite genre of true crime, mine is "family annihilators caught lying about school and/or job." This guy, John List, Jean-Claude Romand, Jennifer Pan (though she did own up to it and only decided to kill her parents because she couldn't stand the strict rules they had her under afterwards).
Anthony Todt! Alex Murdaugh! So many to choose from.
Chris Watts, Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès, Steven Sueppel, Christian Longo too - I think they’ve only covered the first two of those on Casual Criminalist?
@@lemonlily4022 Watts yes, Ligonnès no. They've done Romand, though.
@@erraticonteuse I must have heard that tale on That Chapter instead! Would love to see it covered here.
Wow, you are REALLY into true crime 🤔
The definition of "Came nowhere close" to getting away with it. He outsmarted literally no one
worlds laziest criminal goes to a dude from my home town. he unalived a guy then spent 20 minutes trying to disasemble the person before giving up and just leaving the body in the open in his back yard so he could go take a nap.
That sounds like the pièce de résistance of an episode of Florida Man Friday on @brainblaze6526
It’s not tiktok you can say kill
Maybe he thought if anyone found the dismembered body they would think it was some kind of drink fuelled accidental death.... because it was legless.
The people next to us growing up had a plum orchard that over produced and they couldn't keep up with it. So they put word out to the neighborhood parents that if they sent their kids and teens over to help harvest and clean it up they could take home to their families all the plums they picked! hahaha. So parents were always sending us every which way to harvest corn or pick plums LOL
Since I grew up in the South, it was always peaches and pecans for us. I got so sick of peaches.
OMG I forgot about the pecans... I blacked that one out >< hahaha
I was in TX but recently in GA I am loving the peaches! Plants go so WELL when there are SEASONS who would of known?@@paigeharrison3909
Same with my mom's lemon tree. That thing is an overachiever, I tell you what
I deposited a large sum of money into my bank account after my husband's death and I was told that I couldn't get out more than $5K until the check cleared (I only needed a couple hundred) but I saw that the teller had checked a box which said "check not expected to clear". I was livid!! I freaking closed my account! They were calling me a thief! Or at least a liar. She said she had checked that box because I had mentioned my husband's death. I got even angrier! 1. The check is made out to me! Not him! 2. Yes he died. Have you never heard of a man leaving money to his wife!?! Sorry 😐 but when Simon read the part about the guy's bank doing that it brought back angry memories! 🤬
That makes absolutely no sense. It’s such a strange reason as to why they would check off that box.
His ignorance of how technology works should have been the first clue that he never went to college for computer science.
His dismemberment of his parents' bodies, burning them in the fireplace and distributing the parts all over the county is probably more work than Chandler had down in his life.
Just a killer, not a cereal killer 🥣 thank god. Our fruity pebbles are safe y’all.
For now.....😂
My favorite cereal for 47 years!!!
This case gripped my attention. I watched the entire trial, watched every interview I could find, read a few reports etc and my main take away was that Cat, her mother and partner, Krista’s best friend and her husband, as well Bart and Krista herself were all absolute sweethearts. They’re all amazing people who created such a robust and supportive social network for the POS. When you see a murderer have a shitty life, it sucks but it’s kinda par for the course unfortunately, but it’s all the more baffling when they have a good life, and this pile of human garbage (no disrespect meant towards garbage) had a seemingly fantastic life which is even worse since you’re hurting far more good people than the people you’re physically hurting.
I’d also like to say that if someone believes that Cat had anything at all to do with what happened; I can confidently say they don’t know anything about anything.
I truly hope everyone who had that 150th trimester abortion spokesman in their life is able to move on in some way.
Wonderfully stated!
Stories like this always mildly infuriate me, because im like "why would you throw away your swell life and quality prospects like that? If I had your life I would be doing everything possible to maintain it instead of going off and committing crimes just because I didn't want to tango with reality."
I'm that one slacker in my family, but I didn't feel the need to murder my folks.
I can’t remember what case it was where the convicted murderer was allowed to bounce out of having to hear the impact statements of the victim’s family. Little did he know that the sheriff in charge of driving him from the local jail to prison had a going away present for him-He played a recording of it ON REPEAT during the ENTIRE 2 hour drive there.
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Was anyone else waiting for a “Green Egg Grill” ad cut away?
Why hello Simon, Danny and crew! Thank you for these episodes, I love watching or listening to them.
Video games don't cause violence. Last I checked there's not a mission in tarkov that involves you murdering your parents.
My son is 5 and sleeping in his bed right now like a little angel… imagine learning that one day that same little angel will shoot you dead and dismember you over something as trivial as a lie? Bart once sat where I now sit. He had no idea.
Thank you for stating that Cat is completely innocent and had no idea of Chandler’s duplicitous behaviors. She was completely cleared by the Madison Police Department and it was even stated in court that she had nothing to do with the murders or the cleanup of those murders. Chandler had stuffed his parents remains in the freezers in the basement. He killed his parents on July 1 and Cat was not there the night of the killings. Chandler texted her for hydrogen peroxide and her mom’s swifter wet jet claiming he cut his toe when the glass of the fireplace broke by his fake dog ball-toss story. Glass actually broke because he was burning his parents heads in the fireplace and heat became so intense. It burst the glass and caused bubbling on the paint around the fireplace. Cat had no idea that Chandler was a pathological liar. She has been time off and does not need for people to make false allegations and bring her name into this again. She was an innocent person who like many others were tricked by Chandler into thinking that he had jobs he didn’t have and was attending school that he wasn’t attending. She did talk to him while he was in prison. Cat realized, after speaking with the DA and others about the mountains of evidence that Chandler was indeed guilty, which is why she was a key witness for the prosecutors. William Brown was amazing in his role as assistant district attorney. Brown gave the best opening statement I’ve ever heard in any case.
I'll never understand the effort this guy went through to pretend he had a job and degree.
Showing his father's torso on live TV isn't only shocking to the watchers, but it's extremely disrespectful to the father.
Tbf many years ago, like 16 years ago.
My parents went on holiday to a cabin. Said they’d call me to say they got there safe. Didn’t hear off them for three days, I had the landline number for the cabin and it just kept ringing out, no answer. Dad’s mobile had no signal. I then tried calling the office, but it just rang out constantly too.
Ended up phoning the nearest police station there and explaining “I’m guessing they are fine, but can you check in on them.”
Turns out, lightning had struck something that had taken out the landlines, dad’s mobile had no signal and they’d just forgot that they’d said they’d ring when they arrived safe. 😂
My mom called me off the police man’s phone and was just like “wtf child, if we’d died in a car crash you’d have been told! Bad news travels faster than good!” 😂
It's also possible they could have had an accident and nobody knew about it. In your situation I think what you did is totally understandable. I'd rather feel a bit silly for calling the police then feel guilty for not calling them if there was a serious problem.
Through all the years I've listened to Casual Criminalist, this is by far the most surreal one. Not because it's so recent, but because I knew him. I knew Chaz (also, hearing him consistently referred to as Chandler was weird. Everyone I knew referred to him as Chaz. Even when one of my friends asked me if I remembered him, they asked if I remembered Chaz). I went to music camp at Lakeland College with him. He is the same age as me, and while I think he was in the choir while I was in band and we hung out mostly in different crowds, he wasn't unfamiliar to me. I knew his name mostly because he was friends with some of my friends that hung out with him in the lobby area of the campus and because, as he was described, he was a bit of a clown that would frequently get told to stop talking in the camp choir rehearsal that everyone took part in.
I knew this would eventually be covered as it was so bizarre that this kid from Wisconsin with no criminal record spun a web of lies and, rather than come clean, decided dismembering his parents was somehow the better choice, it doesn't make it any less weird to say that I went to music camp with a future murderer.
Also, I want to make a small note, mostly because it made me laugh: it's "wah-PON," not "WOW-pun." Super minor, but it's just very funny to me, hearing how non-Wisconsinites pronounce Wisconsin city names like Waupun or Oconomowoc.
I love the thumbnail, and this guy is totally deserving of this title
Anyone else getting weird audio fluctuations from this episode? It's muted slightly and then goes back to normal, then slightly muted again.
It's like the microphone is being dunked in a bucket of water. Waterboarded in some sort of torture/interrogation.
his shirt changes in the video, so maybe on day 2 of filming the microphone stops working right. I know sometimes when I restart my computer, my mic settings change bc I installed a windows update. Also, sometimes the sound thing happens when Simon talks away from the mic, so this new one (I think it is new) is extremely directional.
For some reason, this episode is wavering between sounding like Simon is underwater to me and the usual clear tones. I can't find anything on my end- Might be time to check the microphone, Simon?
I hear it too! Very distracting.
I had to stop listening because of it. Seems like it's because he keeps changing from looking towards the mic, towards the tablet and towards the camera.
Seems to be an issue with editing, the underwater sounding bits come simultaneously with the zoomed in parts. Suspect there’s an audio track from a lesser quality microphone on that bit.
Finally got to send some monetary thanks yous to you Simon and staff. It's not alot but hopefully it shows how much this channel means to me. Thank you for everything you guys do, you keep me sane, surprisingly! Haha
I heard about this case a while ago, shortly after Chandler's sentencing. This is a perfect mix of truly horrific and mindboggligly stupid.
My little sisters(15 at the time) Snapchat was used as evidence in the murder of a 16yo boy where we live. She had been in almost constant contact with him through Snapchat and when he stopped responding, she pieced together what happened. I will never forget her waking me up and asking me what to do. I was like “go wake up mom and dad!”. I was freshly 18 and not prepared to deal with that
A lot of the theories about Cat come from some JPay messages she sent to Chandler, if I remember correctly. Which, to me, don’t make her a monster - just a young, somewhat naïve woman who was in love with someone who unfortunately turned out to be feeding her lies. I can only hope in the years since this case she’s been able to thrive and overcome the trauma she’s surely felt.
Who had, as it turned it turns out, had also been cheated on. Serial liar turns out to be a manipulative cheat too? Who could have seen that, eh?
@@thecrispymaster Weird way to assert monogamy as a norm when it's an archaic social construct that's completely unrelated to crime
Unless?, you're suggesting a correlation between social pressure to conform to monogamy & homicides? 🤔 I can definitely see it: a large chunk of violent crime is motivated by feelings of pent up jealousy & emotional insecurity
Anyway, every intimate partner has the human right to their own bodily autonomy + consent. Nobody is ever, ever guaranteed exclusivity to a *person* - that's absurdly unethical & a red flag for a domestic-abuse offender
@@meteorwalkergg I'm going to assume you were high while responding to this but, I'll answer anyway. if you agree to be monogamous and your partner engages in romantic or sexual exploits with someone else they have grossly violated your trust. they have proven they cannot keep their word. they have proven they care more about themselves than their partner.
@@meteorwalkergg Spoken like a true serial cheater.
Thanks!
What I don't get, right, is why he'd scatter the corpses so much. Like, the more you scatter them, the more likely it is that one of the parts is gonna get found.
It would make much more sense to just bloody hide them all in one place but make sure that they're really hard to find.
It's ridiculous that he begged the doctor for a neck brace, and was already wearing it by the time they arrived home. Like, that's not how it works, mate.
Also, this was all within days of his brother getting sent to the hospital and his mother *_being diagnosed with cancer._* This guy couldn't even give them a week to have the spotlight on themselves before demanding his *_cancer stricken mother_* drop everything to baby him and his fake injury.
I do so love a script written by salty Danny😉❤️
Cat was not involved at all. Watch her interviews with police. She’s a sweet girl. I hope she’s doing ok
Love it when cousin Danny gets to write you a script and be rewarded with a little extra time out of the basement
Came here to say I to own a green egg. And. Can't wait for the diddy episode!
I didn't even think of that! Diddy is destined to be his own episode, and I cannot wait.
I've seen so many other true crime channels do this case and finally its Simon's turn 👏, this and the joel guy jr case are both bizarre, horrific and fascinating that they both were so against growing up and taking responsibility for themselves that they'd rather butcher their own parent it's insane
Shoutout to the defense team for doing their level best to polish a turd.
I love watching cases I already know so I can see how much Simon gets right. Pretty spot on here
I’m getting the feeling that Chandler really didn’t have any real perception of how his actions would affect the future. As if he simply did what he felt like in the present, and didn’t concern himself with what might happen until it did, and then he dealt with that problem without considering what the consequences of that decision might be. So it became a cascade of foreseeable but unforeseen consequences that became too much for him to deal with, and his narcissistic nature led him to the conclusion that getting rid of his parents was the most logical way of solving the mess he’d gotten himself into.
Sounds absolutely accurate. Dude had zero foresight. Literally none.
I’ve been obsessed with this case for the past six months or so. It’s fascinating. Excited to see you cover it.
I also became obsessed with it last year when I heard about the case on another channel and ended up watching the entire trial.
@@missnellie33Me too! I’ve watched it through more than once and it’s so interesting how the case was built and presented. The prosecutors were just fantastic. The way they crafted the case so that the story of what happened was very clear, eliminating any remaining reasonable doubt as the trial unfolded. The deputy DA’s opening statement was also phenomenal. He comes across as professional but also likeable and down-to-earth.
And Judge Hyland…. whatever I say can’t do justice to his politeness, courtesy and care. The way he runs his court room is a shining example to anyone. He’s awesome.
I could waffle on about this so much more, but I’ll stop here 😂🤣😂
This is the Dunning-Kruger effect made manifest.
Danny! Thanks For this!! Love your scripts
Thank you!
Yes,. Danny is a great t writer..
You could make a substantial playlist of CC episodes where some guy commits familicide rather than dealing with an awkward situation. (Can't recall a case where the perpetrator was female, hence "guy".) At least a couple involving a man killing his wife and children rather than being honest about his lack of employment. Spending months or even years building up a fantasy of steady income while in actuality wasting their time until the cardhouse comes crashing down, and they'd rather kill than file for unemployment or have an honest chat with their wife/partner about their financial situation. Like that French guy who invented a pyramid scheme and then murdered his wife, his daughters and his in-laws, if I remember correctly. If you're more embarrassed about not making money then you are about murder, your priorities are skewed.
They found him in a drunken state.... Wisconsin
The world is automatically a better place when Factboi uploads another banger.
Even when he's talking about killing and death..
Is the audio quality fluctuating wildly in the latter part of the vid or am I the one who fell down the stairs?
lol no it is, you’re not the only one who hears it
this has been the BEST telling of this wild wacky story i have heard!
Sorry, not sure if he's narcissistic either. I am a therapist who is allowed to dx. But his sx doesn't seem to align with the NPD dx. Sometimes people are just horrible without any mental illnesses. I think we throw NPD around way too much.
I feel like the writer missed a really big detail of this case - the ice.
Chandler didn't leave the bodies decomposing in the basement - he put them in a large freezer in the basement. He was seen on multiple security cameras buying and carrying bags of ice. But this has even more chilling implications - he and the gf didn't stay in beds- he had made this double couch fort- and the prosecutor in their closing made the point that he did this so he could track her location - so he would know if she got up in the night and say went to the basement for ice cream. The persecution made very clear that she has nothing to do with this and could have easily become a 3rd victim
Around 1:04:40 "..…he popped to the shop to get a tarp and twenty pounds of ice.."
@@Phoenixash-delfuego I guess what I'm going for is Simon was going on about wouldn't you smell the bodies in the basement.
They also really could have focused on how much danger Kat was in during this situation.
It's scary watching these when you know someone that acts like Chandler Halderson, someone that lies and does more work to get out of doing anything than just doing the thing being asked.
He was trying to frame Kat and her family for the murders. When Dulce testified, she expressed that the things he'd told her about his parents made her dislike them a lot, to the point that she and her girlfriend were trying to figure out some way to get him moved in with them to "escape," under the impression that his parents were borderline abusive. He left all the evidence that he did, and where he did, for the same reason he'd worked so hard to turn his girlfriend's parents against his own: he was trying to make them look guilty of the crime he committed.
I had the same thought listening to this. If he went as far as to fake all these jobs, accomplishments and emails, the idea of masterminding the murders and framing his girlfriend is not far fetched.
27:33 its not even about tech savvy, or being dumb.. it's about how his dad WANTED to believe his son, and held on to that hope until it literally became unreasonable to not confront chandler.
his dad so badly wanted to believe his son, that he could do these great things and get this great job, and finish school. i 100% believe his dad knew, deep down, that chandler did not have all these things- but he WANTED to believe in his son. it's not dumb, it's believing in the hope of the people you love the most 💀
The way Simon says Chandler envokes posh brittish gentlemen.... lol
Until I read your comment I hadn't thought about it. I was raised in England in a far from snobby life but do remember when I first started watching "Friends" that the Americans said Chandler different to English people. Prior to "Friends" being on TV I think we all said it the same way as Simon but it was far from a common name in the UK back then.
I like Chaaaaahndler and Graaaahnt…it sounds much more refined! 🎩
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Man I love with Casual Criminalist and Dreading both cover a case
A petrol head?
In the US, pretty sure we call that a grease monkey or gear head. Could be wrong
Yes, a petrol head is someone into fast/cool cars or bikes and usually involved in tuning, repairing, rebuilding, and racing them
Everywhere else says petrol head
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've just seen the state's prosecutor provided a very detailed account of what happened that week, that implicate my client as the killer. But consider this - what if they're wrong? Your honor, I rest my case."
-the defense
This guy was handed a winning hand of cards at life, one people rarely get due to all the circumstances of the world. And he picked up the whole deck of cards and threw them in his own face. He didn't even have to be amazing or exceptional. He could have been lazy-ish, mediocre and content enough, and even that was not good enough for him. I don't get it? Especially thinking of all the children who would thrive being born into such a great family and position in life and the world. I hope his brother is ok.
"..Smegging off his dad's lousey Green Egg grills..." haha, I see Danny has good taste! I give you the Arnold J. Rimmer Space Corps Salute sir!
The opening statements by the prosecutor was pretty awesome
Well done. Ya got some of the facts incorrect but the overall gist was pretty accurate. This trial was intriguing. I suggest watching the opening statement presented by D.A. William Brown. BEST opening statements ever and by the end of the presentation you’ll know absolutely everything about the case. It’s INCREDIBLE!!
The game that this guy was so obsessed with would have its own scandal not too long ago as well. The creators had a promo initially when the game came out that if people bought the game at a much morr expensive premium price, all future DLC's would be free. They came out with another DLC this year but didn't call it such, thus trying to make those same premium buyers have to pay for the extra content. I think it ended when (and please don't quote me on this part as I don't play this game) they finally caved on this particular DLC but made some snide comment that future updates (they refused to call it DLC) would require payment from everyone, essentially still trying to wheedle out of the legally binding conditions for those who've purchased the premium game. They're adding the kind of changes that would reasonably be considered DLC (which, even new costumes are DLC, for example) and calling them "updates" to skirt around this.
Irrelevant ramblings.
@@eadweard. I mean, not to the case, no, but still something interesting given a story about someone who was so deceptive and it turns out, the developers of the game he loved are also deceptive.
He played a game of lying wildly, then coming up with fake emails and stories. He just got in over his head
Dude I didn't even have the time to finish the last episode about the train and simon and his team are pumping out a new episode already XD
I lived at home in the last 6 months of my nursing degree as my flat mate had moved her boyfriend in and he was eating all my food, not paying a cent toward anything and was a POS. They didn’t charge me rent. However I did a lot of chores for them and when I left I bought them a big chest freezer to say thank you. I looked after my mum when she was dying and I’m OOA for my dad and do all his stuff, so it works both ways, you can pay people in other ways besides money. However shooting and dismembering them isn’t what I would call a good way to repay kindness and unconditional love. Chandler had all the resources to live a full and wonderful life and he threw it all away. He couldn’t even be faithful to poor, naive, gullible, trusting, sweet Cat.
I watched trial live on TH-cam. I suggested it back then (not that I have any illusions that my suggestion had any influence on you covering it)
Glad to finally see a casual criminalist episode about him.
The lawyer who streamed commentary on the trial has suggested that he suspects that Chandler might have taken a bite of his parents.
I remember using the speed Snapchat filter. Never for driving, me and my friends would use it to see how fast we could get our horses to run
Thats a fun memory
This is like the third case where the Killer lied about so many things in his life and instead of telling his family the truth he murders them covered on this channel.