THIS IS CANON NOW!!!??? THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BROLY AND KALE'S TRANSFORMATIONS IS NOW CLEAR!!!
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The blue haired form for z broly is the restricted form which is still super saiyan but holding back the legendary power until they can no longer be controlled and they transform. He has blue hair because he is being restricted by his father’s device, it’s not a separate type of super saiyan.
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I thought the blue hair tint was from his control device that his dad put on him? In the second Z broly movie his SS form had the normal hair color and at that time no one was controlling him
blue hair broly looks hella clean
@@Captain_Brown_Beard Correct, it's due to the control device that he has blue hair and doesn't use all of his power as a super sayan. This is what user @AVeryStableFusion commented
its called Super Saiyan Restrained, not Restricted
I really NEED Kale and Broly to met each other someday.
You mean meet right?
KO yeah, like a Death Battle!!!
@@chaoscateriano7170 nah, they don’t need fight. Just them interacting would be neat.
And having them to fuse, because so far we haven't had any male and female actual/cannon fusion/potara...
Dragon Ball Kakumei has you covered.
Kale and Broly meeting each other would be really awesome and badass.
There is a fan manga named Dragon Ball: Kakumei, Broly and Kale meet face to face and both of them felt a mysterious connection in their psyche. Almost like a telepathic bond.
@@CHADCONTEXT really that's interesting and very badass in my opinion.
Cheelai would not approve of this.
@@scorpioriddick lol true :)
@@TevyaSmolka then they have- wait
People tend to forget that the "Legendary" super saiyan is actually a title not a form. Yamoshi became the "Legendary" super saiyan because he's the first saiyan to ever achieve "Super" saiyan a thousand years ago. This is also why they change DBS broly transformation name to "Full Power SSJ" instead of "Legendary Super Saiyan" DBZ broly had ever since. Because if they were to make broly canon, he can't be called "Legendary" super saiyan anymore because the "Legendary" super saiyan title already belong to Goku when he transform to super saiyan for the very first time after the form "super saiyan" hasn't been seen for already thousand years ago which was Yamoshi did. As for universe 6 wording they said and refer Kale as the "legendary saiyan" not the "legendary super saiyan" because their tale of the first saiyan is not like what the universe 7 had with Yamoshi attaining the "super saiyan" for the first time gaining the title "legendary" super saiyan. Universe 6 tale of the "legendary saiyan" is it's demonic and it shows up once every 1000 years. With Kale going berserk and became more like demonic as like the tales describe the "legendary saiyan". After universe 6 not seeing the "demonic or berserk" form of the saiyan after a 1000 years ago, she gained the title "legendary saiyan" just like what Caulifla said "The Legendary Saiyan".
Sure universe 6 and 7 are parallel to each other but it doesn't mean that everything between the two universe must be the same. Just like the Kale and DBS broly case here.
I mean ik they retconned Super brolys transformation name but either way in the OG DBZ Movie universe Brolys transformation was named the legendary super saiyan as in it is not a title but the actual name of the transformation I do agree that goku does hold the title but DBZ Broly had the actual form
If Yamoshi was the first, and he lived a thousand years ago, why is the legend, "once every thousand years" when there hadn't been a second yet to establish it's every thousand years?
It's Dragon Ball, so I'm not exactly bothered there's inconsistencies. I do find it funny how so many fans put so much effort into ironing everything out when Toriyama just went with the flow and didn't see the need to come up with all the fine details, yet in interviews he often just had to come up with something on the spot that he'd either long forgotten or never thought of in the first place, and we all take it as gospel.
If we’re looking at which year, then Goku is the one who holds the title of "Legendary Super Saiyan", but chronologically within the timeline of Dragon Ball, Broly is in fact the one who should hold the title, given how he unlocked LSSJ when he was still a kid iirc. And if we look at Z Broly… I mean yeah that title definitely belongs to him, he managed to achieve such power as a mere crying babe. Probably had enough power to turn Frieza into dust at around five years old.
In terms of power levels. Not numbers. DBS or DBZ broly
@@ShaimingLong did you not read? The “once every thousand years” line is in reference to U6. U6 and U7 don’t share the same history.
I always thought that the reason that Z Broly,Super Broly,and Kale have different “Legendary Ssj” forms and transformation lines are because they are mutants like Frieza is in his race,and so their forms and powers are similar,they are different because they are not some fabled transformation,but because it is a mutation,and simply green hair is just how saiyan mutant’s Ssj hair color comes out.
Z Broly and Kale have the same forms. The blue haired form Z Broly had is from the crown and Kale got a yellow haired form in the manga.
I've always viewed it like that as well. Or even for Z Broly, I always considered maybe he would be a reincarnation of Yamoshi, and the power is following him like a Curse in it's own right.
@@Xylospring Hmm no, not a reincarnation, that's too on the nose. That'd be Yamoshi's soul returning to life in a different body.
It sounds better if it were Yamoshi's power, energy & essence being expressed in Saiyans in cycles.
Like a wind you catch & just sail life with. The will of the first & mightiest Saiyan.
@@thedoglovinggamer5825 Yeah but if you follow the non canon Super Dragon Ball Heroes,Xenoverse,and Dokkan Battle(which should be canon to Z Broly considering Z Broly is non canon to begin with)Z Broly’s transformations are pretty different than what Kale can achieve as instead of go into a type of Mastered Lssj he goes straight into Super Saiyan 2,which is not true for Kale.Not only do the hair color between Kale and Broly’s mutated saiyan forms differ(Broly’s is more of a lime green while Kale’s is just straight green),but also the effects of the forms are different.Z Broly’s form just amplifies Broly’s normal emotion,as in base when not restricted he is bloodlusted and angered,while Kale’s simply just makes her lose control and gives her anger and rage as Kale in base is the kindest full blooded saiyan we’ve seen(other than maybe Gine).And please don’t read this as me trying to be rude or be a know it all I’m just tryna spread knowledge ya know or I guess my most educated opinion.
@@thedoglovinggamer5825 ssj berserk and lssj are completely different forms, wdym. A-Type Ssj (Blue hair Broly form) is a restrained ssj form achieved by Broly because his power was being suppressed. What does this have to do with the Kale's Ssj C-Type? (Ik Z Broly also goes C-Type ssj in the second coming)
For anyone confused Yamoshi is the 1st Super Sayain, the Legendary Super Sayain, the Super God (and the 1st super Sayain 4, at least retroactively in GT).
Yamoshi is not canon or is he canon?
@@charleneplayzz9842 The legend of Yamoshi is canon. The details on who he was beyond the first SSJ/LSSJ/SSJG/SSJ4 are left vague other then he was a righteous saiyan with some followers the helped him fight off some evil Sayains before dying.
Yes
@@charleneplayzz9842Yamoshi is canon. He was named by Toriyama.
@@charleneplayzz9842 he is made by akira
Kale is the Legendary Super Sayian of her UNIVERSE.
That is interesting to hear about the specific differences between the two transformations
Will Kale make out with Broly and find out she wants to be a mother, Will Piccolo finally have a dende for Ms. Janet so she can some fun? What is going on with Fettty Krill and 18 on child number 3; find out on the next episode of Dragon Ball beyond verse. ❤❤❤
Hell No WTF, Broly and Kale are likely the same Person but as different Genders of Universes 6 & 7, that's like the literal Definition of "Go Eff Yourself" straight up Beyond, besides Broly already has Cheelai as his Girlfriend,
It's already Confirmed very long ago by Toriyama himself that Piccolo and the other Namekian Race do have "Genitals" 100% Truth and Facts, everything from what TFS said was overly Exaggerating and completely Inaccurate,
It's better for Marron to be the only Child of Krillin and #18 in the entire Dragon Ball series.
@@joseurbina3835 lol 😂 it’s all good man it’s just entertainment. But hey Piccolo can just let him get Sheron the dragon 🐉 wish going boom 💥 the dende! lol 😂 jk Fetty Krill always increase in numbers
what in the deviantart
Yes someone understands welcome my boi
@@joseurbina3835no that isn’t you’re thinking about parallel universes which is completely separate from universes alone so they aren’t the same person lol
Can you guys imagine, that one “demonic” saiyan comes, beerus finds out it was a real dream, than gets killed by the saiyan. Making broly the new god of destruction
Goku becomes an angel.
Vegeta becomes a G.O.D (funny how it still translates to GOD).
Gohan and my man FUTURE Trunks (whom NEEDS to become a PERMANENT character since his universe was UNFAIRLY destroyed!!!) becomes Kais.
And my man BROLY becomes/IS the SSG from Beerus' dream (makes sense since he IS the LSS already ya know).
IMO.
One thing to point out super vegeta isnt the big bulky form its super sayian grade 2 . Grade 3 is the form trunks uses and goku talks bad about , vegeta also had knowledge of the form and chose not to use it
Broly and Kale are parallels to one another.... Which is what universe 6 and 7 are. Both have the Berserker/Legendary form, it is the same form.... And no, not all saiyans can imitate Bersker/Legendary as the unique trait of this form is that its having the boost of the Ozaru while retaining a human body (albeit way bigger). On top of that the other trait is the insane adaptability that lets them ramp un in power quickly and continuously. Which is why the only way to beat them is to have a sudden spike in power so that their transformation can't catch up in time.
Both Broly and Kale are referred to as the Legendary super saiyan. Berserker refers to the state of the transformation. Berserk and after that controlled Berserk. That's all there is to it.
Broly was never confirmed to have the green haired form in the manga. Even in the dbs Broly movie, his green haired form isn’t named “lssj”, but rather “ssj: full power”. This is further backed up by Broly only having yellow hair in all the dbs Broly manga flashbacks
@@atharvvishnuvajhala3944 Yeah because manga is colored, forgot. Also The movie is the true cannon Broly made by Toriyama. In all media and games its named Full Power but not ssj. I have to point out it is amazing you decide to ignore the root source and cannon so easily.
@@oKenshinHimuraIt’s called Full Power Super Saiyan everywhere.
The “legendary super Saiyan”
Thing doesn’t really exist anymore apparently it’s just full power super saiyan which makes zero sense due to the fact that ssj grade 4 is basically full power super Saiyan 😭
@@thedoglovinggamer5825 I know you guys love making fan fics and all, but this is old and confirmed info you are going against. Look at alternate names and the explanation in the wiki, start from there. Not because Frieza has a Full Power form, does it mean he stops being from the Frieza Clan. Broly being Full Power SSJ doesnt stop him from being the Legendary SSJ. This form is still officially known as Berserk as an alternate name.
Yeah I don't know why people I get it. They state it that green form broley's in is the super Saiyan full power that can easily be retcon that could just be like it was misnamed cuz no one knew about full Saiyan lore you know cuz you know Vegeta and Goku are the only full-blooded saiyanes left and I get why they could completely forget about their history. All they got to do is have whis bring it up like oh, you know what Broly might be this so-called legendary super Saiyan and if you think about it early early dragon Ball Z they would state that Goku's going to turn into the legendary super Saiyan the actual legendary super Saiyan was a form that only showed up every thousand years, possibly so long and so unseen that it would just got lost to time. The mythos of it just kind of disappeared and the actual super Saiyan which also wouldn't show up too often became the new legendary super Saiyan quote" it would so be so easy to just put it in. It's not like you got a retcon a ton of things. It was literally mentioned in the manga about kale. The legendary super Saiyan the the demonic Saiyan. It's super easy to put in. I don't know why tons of people just backlash and hate like no no no don't put it in. Why? Like why do you not want to put it in the legendary super saiyanes of form? It's not a characteristic it's not going to change Broly the dude's already goes berserk
ssj(A type) was when broly was restrained by the crown that wasn’t his full ssj
Facts that cowns glow made his hair blue that's it
I always liked to think OG Brody's LSSJ form was like super saiyan grade three, just without the hindrance to speed.
I usually refer to the green-haired Super Saiyan forms as "Mutant" forms since using the term "Legendary" should've only been used for Goku and the original Super Saiyans.
Actually the LSSJ appears to have a reboot even on DBS Broly movie, because it is now known as Super Saiyan Full Power, as you can see in Sparking Zero’s material, but also in XV2 DLC. In my opinion Dragon Ball Room wanted to keep things separated for Broly Z’s Type B form, Kale’s Berserker state and Full Power, but still having a subtle connection between them.
It seems like LSSJ is a locked genetic trait that manifests very rarely. And this allows a saiyan to draw energy from their surroundings along with pulling from their personal wells. Notice the animations how when they charge energy they pull from the air.
I also think the colour difference plays big into it
like the regular supersaiyan being yellow and described as gold always reminds me of a burning flame
its the primordial fire of a warrior spirit right
but the green in legendary
it always made me think "radiation"
this guy is NUCLEAR this is not primordial warrior fire this is ATOMIC fire, NUCLEAR powered radioactive supersaiyan
So old legendary super sayin is basically broly’s version of graded super sayin aka the buff forms, this means each sayin can have their own personal transformations.
Thanks for this.
Hold on a sec…how is it the universe 7 sayians didn’t even know what Super Sayain even was till it was shown to them, but they have a Legend of The Legendary Super Sayain??? How does that even work?!
The Legend of the God could be considered to be older, and with Yamoshi not able to control it, going on a Rampage. It runs counter to the image of what the Super Saiyan God is. Therefor the Legend of the SSJG, along with Planet Sadala weakens, with both being lost to time (SSJG, explaining how Vegeta didn't know) and Sadala through explosion, while Yamoshis' failure causes a new Tale being born. The Legend of the Super Saiyan.
@@XylospringTLDR, Any Sayian has the potential to become a Super Sayian, but the Legendary Super Sayian form is the pinnacle transformation that only appears every 1000 years. The wiki says that Broly is the 4th Legendary Super Sayian to exist
@@Xylospring Okay I get you are trying to explain in and that is cool, but you just ended up right back where my question started. It's not the fact of knowing the difference between a SSG or a LSS, but the very fact they have a legend in any form among their people over all that enough people know it that when Kale transforms that they even have a hint of what it is.
Again, how does everyone not know what a Super Sayian is but totally have a story passed down in their history be a tru or not, of someone becoming a Legendary Super Sayian?
Unless these where not the words in the word bubbles of the manga shown in this vide, and to be fair that happens a LOT, you can't sit back and have these guys not know what a SS is while they are being trained in both knowing what it is and how to do it, which is what is happening at the time in the manga shown, they when Kale's transformation in totally different and goes into a berserker rage, totally point to her and start talking about this Legend of a Legendary Super Sayian...but all of you are clueless what a Super Sayian is when told about it at the start?
I mean had it been like the set up with the main universe we follow in which people know of the legend and just no idea how to get to such a level, then I wouldn't be asking questions at all and Cabba seeing it for the first time at the tournament would be more of a, "OH hey! They know HOW to do it, maybe I can get them to teach me?" and not so much a " WHOA, what is that, a Super Sayian, what even is that and can they teach me?" AGAIN to be fair with all this they have a NASTY habit of messing up translation especially at KeyPoint, so this might all just be bad English translation.
@@feywinterfox9630I think it's fairly simple, assuming the thumbnail here is unedited, it's that the legend itself was aware of it's existence but didn't have the understanding that the power was manifested through a Super Saiyan form, meaning that their legend lacked the Super Saiyan moniker, and it's was just stated to be legendary Saiyan with demonic strength.
@@kanewilson8624he’s the 4th because
1) Yamoshi
2)OG Broly
3)Kale
4)Super Broly
Is that Xicor's theme in the background?
Surely, they will visit Universe 6.
Makes sense.
Ikari is also part of the Beast form since it power comes from Ozaru
Lmao gohan said “okay” 🤣
I've had this long held belief that a Saiyan's transformation is based on their emotional state with some emotions leading to more powerful transformations Super Saiyan Yellow= Anger, Super Saiyan Legendary Green = Envy or Jealousy, Super Saiyan God Red = Rage, with Beast Mode being the mode where a Saiyan feels all of his emotions at once. Zamastu combined different emotional states to achieve Super Saiyan Rose, The Saiyans could also do this if they tried
The legendary super saiyan transformation was the first real transformation before super saiyan 4. The major draw back to legendary super saiyan seems to be that it can end the users life if it gets out of control.
Gohans Beast is Super Sayain with unlocked potential. Like the final Super Sayain form.
Imagine going Super Saiyan God THEN transforming into Oozaru 🫨 A dark red and indigo colored Saiyan form.
I wish the tails would make a comeback when the manga returns in July ☹🥺
Imagine cheelai liking both broly and kale then they have a 3some
Freaky Ball Super
You a real freak
I don't think its technically losing your mind but like a super saiyan but with the uncontrollable emotions and power of an oozaru and if the list were to update I think it would actually be side by side with oozaru and super saiyan 4.
4:50 cant roshi and freiza also do the muscle body thing?
Cool
the chart was tight
4:03 I think Z Broly was only like that due to his form and overwhelming power kind of like what happened to Kale.
10:38 A-type should be it’s own thing, it’s a result of the crown not allowing Broly to access Lssj’s full power.
I think Z Broly and Kale share the same form line. They have been shown to have the same forms with Kale actively becoming full on evil upon transformation like with Z Broly. I the DBS Broly has a different variant of Legendary due to how it acts differently compared to Kale and Z Broly’s Legendary forms.
lol I used to think Blue Hair Broly was a different form but they told me that was because of the Mind Control System, but it makes sense because in Broly second coming his SSJ Form was never Blue so Yellow/Golden hair Broly is the same as Blue just doesn’t have energy from the Mind Control System. Also that Baby Alien when he looks different it’s not a different Saiyan Form it’s just a Bio Mechanical Metamorphosis
They say that because they messed up the colors in the second coming
There are some problems with the things you're saying here. Firstly the muscular form that Goku was talking about is not the legendary Super Saiyan form. Second the only legendary Super Saiyan form was Broly from the Dragon Ball Z era movie. Dragon Ball super Broly is called full power Super Saiyan. Both the legendary Super Saiyan form and the full power Super Saiyan form have an infinite rage boost. This is referred to as the ZENTAI BOOST. It differs from the zenkai boost in that it empowers the body through emotional damage. Kale's berserk form works very much the same. The previously mentioned muscular form that Goku was talking about is actually Super Saiyan grade 3. A fledgling Super Saiyan that does not yet know how to manage the form properly is Super Saiyan grade 1. A controlled version of Super Saiyan is actually grade 2. A controlled release of the Super Saiyan form emphasizing power is Super Saiyan grade 3. Maintaining Super Saiyan as your base form is grade 4. Super Saiyan 2 is actually grade 5. Continuing the pattern the Super Saiyan 2 muscular form could be seen as grade 6. Super Saiyan 2 muscular unhindered could be seen as grade 7. Rage boasted Super Saiyan 2 muscular unhindered could be seen as Super Saiyan grade 8. Infinite rage boosted Super Saiyan 2 muscular unhindered would essentially be Broly's max power Super Saiyan or legendary Super Saiyan. Kale's berserk form would also fall into this category. It's worth mentioning that the saiyans from universe 6 are likely stronger in base form than the saiyans of universe 7 were before Vegeta and Goku discovered Super Saiyan. This is because in universe 6 saiyans evolved without the tail. Without the great ape form to fall back on while acting as peacekeepers for their entire universe they would naturally have experienced far more zenkai boosts generation to generation. This resulted in a larger power boost for each New generation in succession.
4:39 Not wrong, I believe it was the Z Broly movie that said it (though maybe Super retcons this), that the Legendary Super Saiyan is basically a Saiyan tapping into Oozaru. Broly was incapable of going Oozaru, but the LSS taps into that power and uses that building and berserker energy of Oozaru in their base form. Using that raw power, that is also why they're different. While not entirely wrong, there's potential for Goku etc to go LSS, heck maybe even more so because they cut their tails off, but that is the key difference for why they can't, and why Broly has balance and can utilize speed with the strength.
I'm also theorizing that's an element to where the Beast Gohan transformation comes from. In fact that's also kind of how SS4 works, so 4 in its own right is also sort of a psuedo or semi LSS state. Utilizing the power of Oozaru, bringing it forth without transforming, and either controlling it or you're in a berserker state. Controlling that untapped power leads to new forms (thus why Goku would be incapable of achieving 4 if he didn't master Golden Oozaru), while berserkers true LSSs can't control it but has that power out the gate. The defining feature being are they capable of transforming into Oozaru themselves or not, if they can go Oozaru then they technically aren't LSS but can materialize forms and power on par with it if Oozaru is mastered, while LSS is materializing that form and power without and being incapable of going Oozaru.
Admittedly I think I'm tripping over my own words towards the end of that last paragraph apologies, but hopefully that makes sense.
Complete and utter bullshit
@@fremie7667
I'm... sorry? Sorry you feel that way
No man, legendary super saiyan in short are just mutated saiyans who are born overpowered, same as frieza
@@axion6070
Well yes, not wrong, but that doesn't disprove it either. That Ikari and LSS's strength comes from the uncontrollable Oozaru state.
After researching I was right, and that is an attribute to LSS. They are mutants, yes, in that they can't access Oozaru, but that power is then added to them when they go Ikari. A x10 multiplier on top of other multipliers. That increase is what makes them so crazy strong, along with the Ikari state constantly rising their power.
Which in itself is similar to a Saiyan's ability when they lose battles, to get stronger and a slight power boost. LSSs are mutants that manifest both these powers in an uncontrolled state that just keeps going without stopping. I still can't speak on DBS Broly, been 6 years since its release and I haven't seen it since, but a few reddit posts state Paragus says the same in Super Broly.
On the other hand it is also stated that Broly did go Oozaru at an early age right? So Paragus removing his tail probably put a lock on it of sorts, but the very idea of Ikari and LSS is that break said lock, and forcibly manifest that power in their humanoid forms. So even while Super's Broly did go Oozaru, unlike Z's being incapable, it's still plausible.
i realized that kale and broly are both silent people
I don’t want U7 to have anything to do with U6 😂
Transformations are all emotional triggers.
Like the Chakras in color.
It's cool. If goku and vegeta could try and let themselves reach same level of brainwaves Broly was feeling. While he fought them. I bet either goku or vegeta could reach same Transformation as Broly, and somehow combine it with God ki.
I never understood why vegeta and trunks didn't master ss after they went back in
You are assuming that in the manga that the same happened as in the Brolly movie. We don't know if Toyotarou considered the same steps for Brolly's SSJ transformations vs the movie.
For all we know in the manga, Brolly's SSJ forms are like one is controlled and the other he loses himself and just rampages letting his power loose.
Whatever his most powerful state is much more powerful then his controlled SSJ, they likely aren't different transformations. We simply don't know it yet.
We have this concept of rage boost which Gohan had on top of his SSJ2 form. So Brolly's current SSJ could be just without the rage and the boost :D
There are no indications that Brolly has multiple SSJ "transformations" per say, just different levels of more of the same.
We only know that he has SSJ and we have no idea if he has his Ikari eye base form and if the SSJ is added on top of it or if his SSJ is just more powerful then regular SSJ.
And as we have learned trough out the years of different grades of SSJ, we don't know how they apply to Brolly and how loosely or FORGOTTEN everything is used.
Brolly's Ikari base + SSJ could explain his unnaturally strong SSJ form (SSJ as confirmed by Beerus).
I can accept that Brolly is abnormally powerful in his base vs other sayans which means that with comparable transformations Brolly is just as much more powerful.
In short I can't even begin comparing Brolly to Kale and their forms, because Kale is loosely explained and we know nothing about Brolly really.
I think universe 6 just doesn’t know what ssj is so anyone who got it was treated like a demon.
#EndofVideoSquad Super Saiyan Grade 3 does have it's ups and downs. But, Kale's Berserker Legendary Super Saiyan State is Uncontrollable
GO BROLY GO BROLY GO BROLY, C'MON BROLY!!!!!!
Make Broly and Future Trunks (my ALL TIME FAVORITE characters of the DB franchise) great again!!!
Gohan the last Saiyan with a tail
One could probably argue that Ultra Super Saiyan does have the edge on muscle strength in comparison to a SSJ2. However, SSJ2 is the overall stronger form because it's not only far faster than even a Mastered Super Saiyan, but the Ki produced by the form is also leagues above any previous form; allowing for far stronger Ki-based attacks. The speed of a SSJ2 allows the user to strike sharper and harder than any previous form, so it is far superior for fighting. However, assuming that Ki and speed weren't factors, Ultra Super Saiyan would be stronger in terms of raw strength. Since the Legendary Super Saiyan form doesn't have any of these drawbacks, you could technically argue that LSSJ is just an even more roided out form of an Ultra Super Saiyan without the speed and Ki issues.
I would say the biggest differences between old Z broly and both super broly and kale is their personalities and the people around them.
For an example old Z broly was a murderous sociopath who was forced to be restrained by his father if not he would of killed anything and everything if he wanted to
For kale she had a pretty heathy relationship with caulifla both in manga and anime version
One of the only reasons she transformed was to try protecting caulifla and cabba
For super broly’s case he was essentially forced to fight against both goku and vegeta plus
During his fight he saw his father die so he kinda snapped during his fight with those two
So in short old Z broly is a murderous sociopath super broly is a sheltered introvert and kale tried but failed to protect both caulifla and cabba during the tournament of power.
Also for one theory for the ssj grade and both Z and super broly is just that I feel like both Z and super broly’s body grew in proportion to their strength and power
I mean during both of the movies both broly’s grew in size old Z broly literally tore his body apart during his transformation and super broly’s ikari/wrathful form grew in size during vegeta’s and goku’s fight so I believe both old and super broly literally grew in proportion to their power instead of what Saiyan trio did during their time training during the events of the android/cell saga.
In the Manga Kale is actually a/the Legendary Super Sayain of U6 and that it’s a “demonic sayain” while Super Broly is a mutant “full power super Sayain”. I always assumed both Kale and Broly are mutants while Goku is “the Legendary Super Sayain/ the Super Sayain of Legend”.
This sentence js confused me
Both Broly and kale are mutant LssJ and Goku is also since only LssJ can be beaten by another.
@@SparksForcesthey're not the same it is already confirmed in the manga they are not the same kales power kills her or drains her broly's does not and he's never used the green hair forum in the manga Believe it or not there is Broly material that is shown he's never used the green hair even when he was about to be killed by gogeta the green hair forum was only added by toei and we do know kales Bay super Saiyan state is Green Broly is yellow it's different they're not the same
Kale And Broly should start a new Saiyan race in universe 7 🤷🏽♂️
Universe 6 version of broly is just raw strength, universe 7 is just broly adapt while getting stronger but from what I see it’s harder for him to control compare to kales
huge shoutout to who...?
I’ve been saying for years that they should have done in other forms what they did for SSJ
I thought Broly’s form had something to do with having the great ape power in human form.
What… was that fan translation? And why did you read it from left to right?
The muscle version of Super Saiyan is so strong but the saiyans are so dumb and can't use it effectively, the best way to use it is to grab the opponent in normal ssj then activate the muscle to become a grappler. Alternatively you could use it before a very strong attack your opponent does if it yields any defensive capabilities.
The only problem is grade 3 isn't the strongest form of ssj, grade four or mastered ssj is
Super Saiyan 4 Limit Breaker is not on this diagram. It is from Dragonball Heros. My most favorite Form.
I need Broly and Kale to met and have a kid
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What's the theme song called IK its DBZ and from freiza saga but need track name.
Wait so the reason you call Broly in the dragon ball super manga the legendary super saiyan even though no one in the story calls him that, he doesn't have the same forms as old broly like on that graph you showed, nor is he compared to Kale's berserk form is because goku and the others can't use buff forms without losing speed but broly can? Also since you're saying broly and Kale are basically the same why didnt goku or vegeta make a connection between them and point out Broly's normal super saiyan would cause him to self destruct like Kale? I genuinely cant tell if im outlining the points right or if I missed them completely. 8:57 Ikari is stated to be a humanoid version of the great ape transformation without losing mobility so why do you consider it related to super saiyan? #EndofVideoSquad
Because thata line was never said in the anime.
@@user-uh6gl6hb1s It was literally stated in the movie
@@darktigersharkmax4432 if so, then mb for forgetting. Although, i was referring to the TOP.
@@user-uh6gl6hb1s What line are you talking about specifically? In my original comment I talk about multiple lines.
@@darktigersharkmax4432 The part where Cabba said that said that kale might self destruct was manga only. In the anime version, that never happened. It has been some time since i last saw the dbs movie so kale may or may not have been mentioned, but i an certain they didn't make the self destruction correlation.
Guku is the legendary ss why he transform out of anger an his power today still grow an grow to the point the Gods are amazed they only fixing up the anime to add more action but we all know Guku is the One an only he was born out of anger an hit his head an became pure heart meaning he over come good an evil mean while all the z fighters the saiyans still havin issue with controlling there mind
Time for gohan en broly to fuse in goly or brohan
Giving Broly pupils is a SIN! Demon Slayer has Gyomei with no pupils. Keep Broly without his.
That’s cause he’s blind 😂
Broly grew up in survival mode every day on Vampa...When he goes berserk, he's in survival mode. No real training, his father didn't seem like a warrior among the sayin race. Broly fought like an animal. Eager to learn more, but too timid to ask more questions from his old man. Pure sayin, I like this version of Broly. Fits the show to go this way.
Keep up the good work DBZ DBS teams.
Will Kale make out with Broly and find out she wants to be a mother find out on the next episode of Dragon Ball beyond verse. ❤❤❤
The Legendary Super Saiyan form reminds me of the perfected form of the buff form of Master roshi and the grade 2 and grade free remind me of the original version of the buff form of Master roshi.
So another words grade two and three remind me of OG Dragon Ball buff form of Master roshi and the Legendary Super Saiyan remind me of Dragon Ball super perfected buff form of Master roshi allowing him to actually fight in that form.
I don't really agree with some of what's been said. The difference between a regular Super saiyan and legendary super saiyan which is what Broly and Kale are is not only their speed but their influx of strength over time. The only downsize is legendary super saiyan self destructs due to the influx of multiplier and Super saiyan just has a limit on its multiplier. "Berserker" actually came from the tournament. Not alot of the characters knew what the transformation was except for Vegeta and Cabba who both stated what the form was. Vegeta in Japanese dub says That's the saiyans true form!", English dub Vegeta says "Careful Kakarot that could be the legendary super saiyan our ancestors spoke of" when he had that split second with asking himself what that form was and it hit him. With Broly we were presented with hints that he is the legendary super saiyan. The one hint was in the saiyan infant center and the other when Goku states "Vegeta do you know what kind of saiyan is he?!" As Broly was powering up. The characters are bot the same .
Majority of what he said is wrong Broly is not the legendary super Saiyan he's a mutant a mutant with the ability to channel the Ozaru in his base state in the manga all the Broly footage we've seen he's only been using super Saiyan even when gogeta was about to kill him and the movie he did go his full power super Saiyan form in his base SSJ State he only has yellow hair now he did post a mistranslation what's a whole legendary super Saiyan kale thing it was actually said that she is the legendary saying but Caba later confirms it's just a theory but notice how her base super Saiyan state is Green so everything he said in this video was just completely wrong
Old Broly was never berserk. Dbs Broly isn't lssj , hes berserk with ozaroo.
I'm pretty sure there is a distinction between Kale and Broly(Z) in terms of transformation. If I HAD to place a comparison, Kale is extremely similar to Broly (Super) and both of them would follow what we would call Berserker Saiyans, not Legendary Super Saiyans. Their powers don't grow infinitely with no cap and both have been overpowered over periods of passing time to prove that as well as how he is able to calm down with familiar faces and alone time. Broly (Z) however is an entirely different beast. He's a saiyan that was literally overwhelmed by his own power to the point that it affected his core personality. As Cabba even stated, a "demon". Broly (Z)'s power had quite literally no cap and in the instance of his confrontation he needed to be beaten in one shot, otherwise that would be game over and he would have only gotten stronger until his power would implode.
Majority of what he said is wrong Broly is not the legendary super Saiyan he's a mutant a mutant with the ability to channel the Ozaru in his base state in the manga all the Broly footage we've seen he's only been using super Saiyan even when gogeta was about to kill him and the movie he did go his full power super Saiyan form in his base SSJ State he only has yellow hair now he did post a mistranslation what's a whole legendary super Saiyan kale thing it was actually said that she is the legendary saying but Caba later confirms it's just a theory but notice how her base super Saiyan state is Green so everything he said in this video was just completely wrong
Content to say LSSJ is still not a legitmate Canon Transformation, Broly is more in touch with his races primal Oozaru ability, and a normal SSJ in addition. Kale being some what similar, but different for the same aspect of what you said in the video that Universe 6 and 7 Sayains are different from one another. As the Warlike Sayains won their war in 7, and in the Rightous and peaceful Sayains won in 6.
How great ape (grey) episode
original broly was called the legendary ssj because vegeta just assumed that was what broly was
i think new broly and kale are mutant saiyans much like how frieza is a mutant from his race, examples of vastly more powerful people of the species
new broly and kale are probably both berserkers
there's no just "Legendery super saiyan" in fact the Legendary ssj is just a normal SSJ, it was put into legeds by Bardock who was dispatched into the past and fought Freeza's Grandpa and actually activated his ssj form while fighting against him, by the end of his movie Freeza's grandpa says to the medics to pass on to his son "cold" that he should be aware of the race called "saiyans" as there's a golden haired warrior capable to destroy their clan. That's the Legendary ssj, Broly's form was called Legendary ssj because people had no idea what his form can be, neither did Akira when he was making Z Broly, and so not only the normal SSJ could be called a Legend but actually SSJ god as even Shenlong, the Medium Fish and Whis said that it's just a legend passed on between a race that died on, but Shelong was actually capable to show how this form can be achieved, I would assume that further into the story we'll hear about bardock again who's this time will appear to achieve not just SSJ but SSJ God. I would say that both Broly and Kale are just SSJ Berserkes which are still very difficult to achieve because A - They've had to be BORNED with abnormal power, in DBS broly movie they've mentioned Broly had 5k power as a new born, and B - Possibly there has to be a mental predisposition allowing them to fall into immense rage instead of just getting angry, in all movies, if DBZ or DBS Broly was portraid as a shy silent guy, that was quickly falling under rage (mostly because of how he was raised) on another hand Kale is the same but she was rather rised in more humane condition allowing her to maintain her anger for logner period of time, that's why also Kale was capable to awaken her SSJ form without losing control over her and even be brought back while under the form. I would assume that all the writing for now is mentioned to be an LSSJ but soon we'll hear about the real name of the form which most likely be just a "Berserk"; BTW "A legendary saiyan is born once in 1000 years" is also a hint to what the actual LSSJ form is, as bardock was thrown into the past 1000 years before goku killing Freeza, and Goku was the first one achieving SSJ in 1000 years AFTER Bardock achieved it while fighting with Freezas grandpa. So far it also makes sense since goku's potential to improve his power is far greater than anyone elses, he achieved SSJ, SSJ3, SSG, SSBSS, and even UI as first one from others (SSJ2 was achieved by gohan but even goku said that he has higher potential than him) but I would assume that if not trying to push gohan into achieving the form Goku would still become SSJ2 as the first one from the group. That only proves that not Broly, nor anyone else is LSSJ as they still had to be tought how to achieve it and goku achieving it as the first one only unlocks his potential further and further. Who know's maybe there's going to be known a next form of like SSGSS UI that's going to be confirmed to be achievable by the true LSSJ and that'll be the plot twist
Broly had to be nerfed so later they can give him his legendary super Saiyan rage power back but controlled which will make it stronger
I think it’s ussj2
For y'all who don't know look up Japanese zodiac sign for monkey and it explains a lot about Goku for real just be open minded lol
PLS GIVE HIM LEGENDARY SUPER SAIYAN 4 SO THAT WE HAVE 4 UNIQUE TRANSFORMATIONS
I think your wrong the losing control thing is only for Gohan and Broly because they have to much power
it’s simple universe six saiyans evolved, and lost the tails the strongest Saiyan, the universe, seven lost them unaturally no great ape means no ikari
It is an innate trait, losing the tail does not mean their DNA completely changes, they are still Saiyans, the potential to get Ozaru form is there, but there is no way to activate it because they lost the catalyst (tail). Else kale wouldn't be able to go Berserk as that form is still being able to have the Ozaru form while retaining human shape. Both Broly and Kale had no tail. yet both were able to attain Berserk. Ikari is just a step above base form. Kale just skipped that part the same way vegeta skipped ssj3.
Ohhhhhh
Honestly, it's really just this simple:
Kale is female Broly. The female legendary Super Saiyan. U6's Legendary Super Saiyan.
The bulky Super Saiyan forms and legendary super saiyan are certainly not even close in power. Sharing the same bulky visual doesn't make them comparable or the same.
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Oh I learned something new. I don't read the manga (I know various information from it though), so thanks for showing me Kale was attributed the LSS label there. I don't recall, or at least fully, that lore/confirmation in the anime.
I read the comment and I know you said you don't read the Manga but I'm going to clarify something Kayla is not the legendary super Saiyan this is a mistranslation he posted it only said legendary Saiyan and later it was confirmed to only be a theory by Cabba
Black scape where is dragon ball reset?
the graph is really wrong.
Mastered Super Saiyan is the path to SSJ2 but Gohan was the first to unlock it.
LSSJ = Canon.
Toei said SDBH and GT are canon via multiverse. Toei owns the anime, anime > manga, Toyotaro is a hack.
Z Broly > DBS Broly (both are great)
Honestly a unique legendary super saiyan transformation can't exist in cannon. Didn't even even make sense with the old movies. From what i know yamoshi is the only saiyan to have super saiyan before goku got it on namek thousands of years later. So all references of the legendary super saiyan is about yomoshi. Goku being the second person to obtain the transformation they describe his transformation as pretty similar to the myths of the original. Unless the regular super saiyan transformation goku and the crew unlocked isnt actually the same as yomshi's transformation broly and kale are literally just regular super saiyans but their mutant genes are effecting the power of the transformation. There is no unique legendary form. In fact before the broly movies they use to state the goku turned into the legendary super saiyan and vageta even stated that goten and trunks have turned the legendary transformation into a child's plaything. Legendary super saiyan is just normal super saiyan in cannon.
Legendary super saiyan isnt canon anymore, broly now has what is refered to as full powered super saiyan. Its effectively what goku did with super saiyan 4 in GT but with JUST regular super saiyan
You're correct legendary super Saiyan is not canon anymore and by the way the thing, said about kale is a mistranslation he just called her the legendary Saiyan in the official translations and then Cabba tells us it's just a theory
You are wrong. Yamoshi is the original super saiyan and a golden ozaru. The legendary SS is different. It appears every 1000 years
It’s not sudo it’s Ultra Super Saiyan
What is ssj(a class)?
Super Sayian-Jin - Jin is Japanese for person, in English we don't need to define the "person" like you have to in Japanese so it's just Super Sayian in English.
@@michaelcastro5339 thank you
You start saying this is the best graph ever, and then instantly point out how it's out of date and you'd change it. It's a crap graph. It would not have taken you much time to make a new and better one yourself. Ikari, Legendary, Berzerker, they're all the same form, and they're all a surpressed Oozaru. Saiyans have two transformation paths, golden and primal. It is when these are combined that we get monsters like DBZ Broly and Kale. And this culminates in the SSJ4, a form Gohan reaches but gets a unique look for due to his ultimate ritual state.
Super broly in his normal super saiyan form is as strong as two combined super saiyan gods, if that doesn't make him a clear saiyan of legend I don't know what does, if we compare with both goku and vegeta in their own regular super saiyan forms pre-god Ki, he's like a freak of nature who would've been completely unstoppable if goku and vegeta had remained as they were before the discovery of beerus.
Super Saiyan's 1-2 and 3 are nothing compared to single transformation of broly's and he probably wouldn't even need to go ikari before mopping the floor with them and thats not even me just overhyping him its just a simple fact.
There's no real definitive proof that could go against it either, he literally doesn't even have access to god-Ki he's only got regular Ki which is obsurd.
They are the same. Its just a rare gene
wen Goku had a brain
The actually difference is kale has power limite but broly has no power limite when in the Lssj form and yamoshi is a even different form given his form had a limite to it and gohan form can go beserk but gohan is so much weeker tha the Lssj form given that it took a fusion of goku and vegita to beat The broly Lssj form but given how fast broly learns while fightin he can completely surpas any aponent as the fight goes on which makes broly Lssj form is strongest after M.U.I goku.
They the same transformation
And broly is not just a legendary ssj but he has the most s cells and is probably the closest thing to a Tru sayan if u really think about it he is the only person who can body the whole cast and still fights like a Tru sayan go back and look how Gokus dad was after he went ssj and then the fight with gas too broly is just how Goku and Vegeta are ment to be and Gohan is the closest one to that in his beast foram but wise sid it best because they are ment to have power with out transforming so broly is the only one who is doing it how it's meant to be smh
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