Hallelujah ! one of the very few who really understand what this bike is all about. All of the negative comments on the 961 are from folk who have either no idea what they're talkin about, have never ridden one or think fast,smooth n modern mean better.... thanks to TVS for continuing building this bike.
I couldn’t agree more! Today’s crop of riders are spoiled rotten whilst incapable for the most part of utilizing even half a percent of the Bikes performance capabilities and I wonder about their mechanical capabilities as well. The Indian company that acquired NORTON seems to have done a brilliant job of capturing the essence of the original and improving it via modern materials and manufacturing processes. LOVE the Mechanical Symphony of this modern interpretation of the Commando! If I had the $$$ I’d snap one up so quickly my Wife wouldn’t even get to say “why do you need ANOTHER Bike anyway?” before it was sitting in my Bike Barn!😝
Well I agree with you when you said "It's in a league of its own"!!! Great video as ever and lovely to hear your enthusiasm for the bike - defo not on for me though, I was really dissappointed with it.
I think the Speed Twin 1200 is a much better modern retro. If you want the feeling and character an old bike gives then buy a good restored Commando 850, they were great bikes to ride.
As a full grown adult man I’m neither on instagram nor tictok so unfortunately I can’t follow you on there😂 The video however was as usual incredibly well made and interesting. Loved it
Fantastic review ….. I’ve got a soft spot for this bike ,it ticks all the boxes for me ,pure English Norton style . Forget what happened regarding the modern Norton company ….just move on and keep building true modern classics . Regards Dave from Scotland
My brother had one, and he had trouble keeping me off of it! haha Wonderful bike. Very peppy. Easy to work on. And, the looks ae just right. Great review Darcy. Keep up the good work. Eric in Kissimmee, fl.
Interesting review. Agree 100% with you regarding the rubbish dumped in the country side (or anywhere). Pet hate of mine. Well done for taking time to highlight it 👋
Well I absolutely love my 961SF, nice to hear a review someone who gets it. Personally don't think it has a bad angle on it and love the engine. Its not fast, its not modern being push rod but that's the point. I own and ride a '59 Velocette Venom and the 961 has the right old school feel and vibes in a modern chassis. Triumph classics such as the Thruxton are superb bikes, look fantastic and brilliant Modern smooth, strong engines and that's where they don't work for me they are too modern so I didn't buy one, personal choice!! We all love or need different things from our bikes, it is expensive and I guess that 'built in Britain' tag is the reason. If its too much don't buy it, I gave up with Ducati for the same reason, over priced and over tech'd for me.
Yes that’s precisely it! A lot of people have commented that the Thruxton is faster, but that’s irrelevant. Both me and the Ol Man would far rather have character than speed 💯👍🏼
The original Commando had the Isolastic motor mount system to quell those vibes. Vibration was a well known complaint on the earlier Nortons, and they developed a way to deal with it. I don't see any of that on this bike, so the vibes once again rear their ugly head. BTW, back in the day we didn't call it "character", we called it "vibration" "buzzy engine" or "British Twin".
I booked a test ride on the Commando for while I was getting the first service on my Street Triple RS, I love its looks and I decided to ignore all the negative reviews as it turned out wrongly, first off it weighs over 30kgs more than the 1970s Commando and it's gutless even compared to middleweight naked budget bikes like the Suzuki GSX8S and the Trident 660 which are 300cc less but still are more powerful, produce more torque and cost half the price, a more realistic comparison would be the Royal Enfield GT Continental or Interceptor but once again it's heavier than both and costs £10,000 more. don't forget the original Commando was the Fireblade or R1 of its day so I think it's not unreasonable to expect a bit of excitement from it, it's absolutely beautiful but equally an absolute disappointment.
That looks amazing. I'll be interested to see the factory! Bit out of my price range though, at the moment.. Maybe a used one in a couole of years? I certainly wish them all the best with that. A tremendous effort. Great review too!
I’m happy that Norton continued development of this bike. Nice not having a radiator hanging out front to compromise the looks. Wish it sounded more like the old Commando with the 360 crank (former Norton owner here), but I’m sure this configuration is better, if not smoother. Seems to compare favorably with Triumph’s Thruxton.
I've never heard you so enthusiastic about a bike before. I've had a closeup view at the London bike show and it really is a work of art. Would fit the second bike role for me but far too expensive. Ride safe!
Lovely image at the end there. A beautiful backdrop that Constable would have been impressed with and a soundtrack that encapsulates the British motoring obsession and history of innovation.
Great review, I like your editing and presentation style. And I agree with your summary of the bike, it has bags of character and sounds awesome. I had a factory tour myself a few months ago, unfortunately I didn't see the bikes being worked on as they were preparing for the launch of the new special editions. I'm looking forward to seeing your take on that. Ride safe. Cheers.
Yeah Man, I totally agree with You, that Norton Commando is a Gorgeous Bike, But those gold forks just don't look right! Now Black or Chrome Yes! Norton has always had a Mystic to me, and my Father's Uncle Duggie Brown, my Great Uncle came second in 1920 Senior 500 TT on the Isle of Man on a Factory Norton winning £25 and a medal for second place, Duggie came second to Tommy de la Hays Who was riding the Sunbeam.
Pricey, but so is a Thruxton and a Z900rs. I don't think you buy one of these because it makes financial sense. I preferred the black paint until I saw the silver in the metal, I think it's stunning. How much can I get for a kidney? 😂
Great enthusiastic reporting, though my ' 72 commando with carefully rebuilt combat engine using superior parts and common sense engine improvements would leave this new norton behind .
Great looking bike, you really couldn't hide how much you liked that bike. I think with the amount of bling on the bike it's probably mostly going to be a weekend toy for most owners, so the short mudguard doesn't matter.
The Norton 981 Commando was first designed down the road away in Milwaukee, Or. U.S.A. I saw and heard a pre-production prototype, moving through downtown traffic here. It was instant lust. Sadly, production was halted and the design and production rights sold. It's still a beautiful bike.
It is a very nice but expensive bike. I have a 1988 Lowrider, hotted up, it has character. I also have a 2022 Pan Am Special Enthusiast Collection, I think it has character too, especially since I fitted a Vance and Hines muffler, which has significantly improved the power and torque under 5000rpm and over as well, the vibration from the motor makes if feel meaty on the 150hp setting. The character it has is different, more tech based. I ride it most days each week, it is a fantastic commuter and all roads sports tourer. It is not an off road bike, it can do it, but it is like a truck in weight compared to a proper smaller size off road bike. It is the perfect bike of Australian roads, because they are crap roads, with lots of potholes. I think you look better on this than the Indian Scouts. If I could by an Norton I would.
Had a test ride on one 6 months ago, a wonderful experience no other bike is like it, I will have one eventually however, used one that’s come down in price, it’s crying out for some bar end mirrors but that’s all👍
Nice to hear a positive review. I really want Norton to succeed and this is a lovely machine in many ways... but the price, wish they could have found a way to keep the essence and 'hand built in Britain' authenticity at a lower price.
Great monologue at the end about buying British. It is such a characterful bike and the press it has received in some way reminds me of the Hesketh V1000, a bike that came out when I first started riding in the early 80’s and a bike I’m sure the Old Man will remember. A bike built in Britain in an era of total Japanese dominance that was outclassed in practically every way yet so uniquely British and very expensive, even more so today should you be able to find one 👍.
It’s beautiful and surely sells itself on the looks, sound and nostalgia, and I get the connection to it from the way it feels alive. Kind of like a restomod Norton but at the end of the day A) £16k ouch! B) USD forks a bit meh. What does this give over a Guzzi v7 special or Triumph speed twin?
I don't want to kerb your enthusiasm, but I hope that tank s steel, as if it is still plastic you might find it reacts with the new petrol. A friend had one of these and sold it as the tank reacted with the fuel, and a replacement was about £2500, made by the same company. It is a nice looking bike but be aware of its faults. Good luck
The Commando is a beautiful bike, from any angle. I like the “open” look between the frame. The tank, the (gold) forks, engine - everything is gorgeous. I can accept the vibrations and I can accept the rather high price. Yet I think it is a bit short in the horsepower and torque departments. I’m sure that in the real world it has more than enough umph about it but a special bike should be a little bit “special” in performance as well. This is a fur coat and no knickers job.
A sixth gear in the US is a requirement. . .I have a classic Triumph thunderbird triple and it’s great up to about 50 mph. . .after that it’s working hard, where by T120 cruises at 75 mph with Cruise control as well as my BMW K1600. . .
Very nice, very thoughtful review. I am, however, bothered by the fact that discussion of the 961 rarely mentions Kenny Dreer. He is the bridge between Norton then and Norton now, and there would be no 961 without him (or any Norton as we know it, for that matter).
Great presenting Sir! I loved my Thruxton. This bike is prettier and would be worth the extra dosh as it's built in England BUT I doubt the engine is as smooth (Thruxton 270 degree crank) , and it's not nearly as powerful, so unfortunately it's a no from me.
Not sure why everyone seems to moan about the price of these bikes. I had a 961 cafe racer in 2019 and it was £16,500 BEFORE the open exhaust pipes were fitted. Considering inflation etc these Nortons are effectively cheaper than they were 5 years ago! And hopefully more reliable 😬
50 mph to avoid uncomfortable vibration is way too much character for a bike costing this much for me. My Royal Enfield Classic Chrome 500 can ridden at 55 mph and looks great is at least 75% less expensive. Now my Royal Enfield brakes and suspension are budget but do you need great brakes and suspension for 50 mph? Would I buy the Norton 961 if I had the money? Oh yes but as 4th motorcycle but it would have to replace the Royal Enfield and that sounds crazy to me.
Retro Dunstall pipes would look and sound good on that, I had a le man's with Bell mouth dellortos and conti pipes awesome machine, I let it go in a deal for a jota
Reminds me of an early Ducati monster vibi loud and full of character and stunning to look at. It was a great review, passion, and proud of your country we'll done .
Love the look of the Norton, but need to see what TVS are all about first. Thank you for the rant about people who dump rubbish, it’s terrible that people think it’s ok. No excuse for it.
The 961 is truly a fabulous looking bike that sounds awesome, would I buy one ? absolutely, you won't see another parked next to you at the local bikers cafe.
The point was you will see numerous retro Triumphs & Royal Enfield etc at your local bikers cafe however you won't see too many 961's , ultimately it will be a rare site.
I love these things, even with the gold front end. But in Australia, they are way too expensive at $35,000 Aud. By comparison, a new V7 Stone is $19 k and if you shop around a bit, you'll find last years model for a bit over $16k.
@@davidforsdike4343 I wish that I'd known about them when I purchased my last bike. The older model didn't quite do it for me, but these newer ones look very impressive, indeed. A friend of mine has an El Dorado and a T5. He's had the T5 for what seems like forever, and it just keeps going. It's got close to 300K kms. on the clock and the engine is still on the original bores, rings and bottom end. An amazing bit of kit, I've got to say. The only other bike that I've seen with that sort of mileage is a K75 BMW. Ugly bike, but you can't kill them with an axe.
I love this bike and never owned a Norton but However I have had a BSA (Loved it) and currently CBRRRR. If I can spare the cash I want a Norton for sure. Everyone wants one. Look at those spoked wheels omg thats sex.
Firstly, I love the randomness of your reviews, secondly I think the bike looks quite big even when you sit on it , love your review a completely honest no holds barred review in fact I have no money but started looking on eBay after your review, it made me want one 😂 price is steep but it's something you would keep just for that one day of sun in the UK,then put it in the living room instead of a TV for the rest of the year !
You and your Dad have a great, no-nonsense approach; which makes you so watchable and which makes clickbait headlines all the more jarring. Is there really no better way to game the algorithm?
It is not a clickbait title as such because the content delivers strongly. No one else will tell you what we said in the video because all the other reviewers have not liked it as much as we have 👍🏼
I share your rage about flytipping. I live in London where it’s out of control, shame that it’s spreading to large parts of the countryside now. Anyway great review, I’d love a Norton in my garage but bike cost and insurance makes this a no-no right now.
Great review. I've seen a lot worse regarding this bike, but you understand it's all about character...my only concern would be reliability...time for a long term test
Modern Nortons just look stunning. Everything about it screams art. Only change that'd be needed would be removing the CAT and swapping that horrible plate with a classic black and silver plate.
Not so much a fan of the rear light ... and from the side the lines / weight don't seem quite right. But everything else ... oh my, oh my, oh my! It sounds beautiful. I do wonder though about the vibrations: I ride (amongst others) a Ducati S4R ... Ducs are known for being rumbly so it would be interesting to know how this compares. It looks beautiful. So glad to see Norton back in business. Just gorgeous. Interested to know the brand and model of pants you're wearing: very cool and not at all "bikey" - could easily fit in with Sunday brunch crowd down at the local cafe.
The trousers are made by Fuel, they are so comfortable and cool looking. We love them 😊 Here is the link to them: fuelmotorcycles.eu/collections/heritage-pants/products/marshal-pants?variant=39908155621399 👍🏼
At 4:52 I recognise Main Street Oakham . . . . Rutland . . . . the most beautiful secret location in England! By the way, Rutland does have excellent recycling centres, there is one at North Luffenham, which will accept all that rubbish at 9:05 without any charge.
Hey now, Triumphs are still made in the UK. Not all of them, sure, but the higher spec ones are. Lets be honest the commando is...just not as good as a Thruxton. Not as high spec, not as good looking, doesn't handle as well, not as fast. The Nortons are just impossible to justify given the competition just down the road.
I'd rather have a Speed Twin 1200. A much better bike even if it is put together in one of Triumph's factories in Thailand. So what, it's not 1960 anymore.😂
Never really loved Norton's personally. I know people really have loved the looks but something about the flow of bike body parts in the past turned me off compared to Triumph's bikes, particularly the rear, but this I really like! I really love that you are using the word Character for this bike, I honestly think that's the most important feature of a motorcycle so you've definitely made me want one now! P.S. It would be super helpful if when you compare this bike to features in other bikes that you do a quick overlay so we can see what you're talking about. Great video!
Love the review. Not keen on the Dunflop tyres or the brake & clutch reservoirs or the sound of the electric starter motor, oh and the cheap looking indicators but that’s about it. The rest is pure beauty. I’m not that bothered about the vibration issues either. This Norton Commando is an art form on wheels. I’d have no qualms at all of owning any of the 961 variants as they all look so good. I’m torn between the silver or black. Thanks for your video and the crystal clear quality of your recording equipment. As for the fly tippers, they need a good thumping and burying somewhere secluded far from the madding crowds. Going back to the tyres, they need changing to a good set of Michelin R6’s IMO.
In the 5-speed gearbox - there are bikes (and cars) that have a massive overdrive in 5th gear, it just means you only ride in 1st-4th unless you're cruising at 50mph+ The Kawasaki W800 actually has a mighty overdrive, you should try and get on one of them to compare it against modern classics. It's a shame Kawasaki stopped selling that bike here, it's a stunner!
I bought a new W800 some years ago. It looked good, was nicely built, but it lacked power for overtakes and the single disc front brake was too weak for my liking.
@@MrDarcy-OlMan really enjoyed the review, shows the different perspective of the retro vs modern rider of “character”, there is something to oil/air cooled bikes, be interesting to test the RE Interceptor and ContiGT or water cooled Thruxton RS,
@@MrDarcy-OlMan I bought the Honda CB1100RS off the back of your review and never regretted, great bikes now sadly discontinued, on my second now, a 2020 5Four edition 😎
Absolutely fantastic genuine looking British café racer. Agree 100 percent that the gold anodising is an eye sore and the front mudguard is useless. Everything else is spot on.
They’ve certainly run with design cues from the originals and done a pretty good job of it. Looks like an Interstate and a Fastback begot a baby. Agree on the fork tubes and the front guard. Just about guarantee that various companies will bring in accessories to remedy much of for those seeking a genuine retro look. I can see it in black with gold pinstripes and lettering. My old Nortons were vibration free unless the isolastics were shot or too tight. Priced out of the reach of most of us though. The performance figures seem a bit underwhelming but actual riding might make these meaningless. It sounds like the business though! Good informative video! 👍🏻
I love everything about it... EXCEPT that bloody awful vestigial front mudguard!!! Chocolate fireguard anyone? Honestly what were they thinking? Good review
As you no I ride a Harley but if my wallet had enough money in it I would absolutely have a Norton if only for the sound what a beautiful bike vibration doesn’t bother me it’s the bike I would put clip ons on it and ride it as a caff racer and I’m crowding 50 but ha ho nice for short rides out great vid as always 👍
When I visited the dealer and started asking serious questions about actually buying one I was told a 3 year service plan was £1600. Now, considering it’s got hydraulic valves we are talking only oil and filters so how do they justify that? It started to look like a very expensive money pit. I still like it but I did walk away.
Just subscribed, can’t wait to watch comparo with Royal Enfield. By the way, Enfields sound meaty with a sports exhaust. I lusted after 850 commandos as a kid too.
As a Swedish man Öhlins is a must and they need to be "GOLD" without a doubt. But i agree, that is a stunning bike! By the way, over here in Sweden we call Öhlins "Swedish Gold"
About time Norton got their act together and got the bike up to Euro 5 spec , whats the point In having a product If you cant sell It world wide . Great video by the way .
Stunning looks - apart from the gold forks / rear shocks (silver please) and the front mudguard (longer and or with clip-on for wet conditions). Inconspicuous LED indicators too... Personally I would like slightly higher bars ( I'm 6.2) and 'angleable' clocks to face rider directly (tangential to eye). Surely there is space for the seat to be better padded ( if uncomfortable ) and for adjustment rearward for longer legs. For the price such details (options) may matter. Vibration - it has a 270 degree crank with balancer shafts so that should be smooth enough.... The exhaust sound could be deeper. But overall, gorgeous.
So we can add Norton to the list of brands with golden fork legs, Ohlin's have a lot on their conscience. Golden fork legs on a Commando, what were they thinking? Can anyone imagine the original Commando with golden fork legs? It's a shame, because apart from those fork legs and the reservoirs on the rear shocks it's a stunning machine (as it should be at that price). But I guess that in that price range you can live with having to pay a little extra for a pair of fork legs that actually match the bike.
Royal Enfield Classic 350 front mudguard is about as long as they come, I fitted a sump guard and in 15 miles on a dry day there's already a mud streak up the guard.
@@Pushkar147 (Though a tad loaded, I love me an Interceptor too Pushkar, but this Commando really is something special.. This is a good time for motorcycles methinks, in fact, I'm on record using the phrase "new golden age of Motorcycling".. ..and this machine really does represent so much..
@@simoncaddick9085 I have the same thoughts. I have a Continental gt535 which is the older GT with vibrations and I am truly a fan of this Norton - other than its high price
Achingly beautiful, complete eye candy. On par with the R18 but the vibrations would put me off of it unfortunately. Hoping a number of years of refinement will sort out its short comings and it happens while I can still swing a leg over!!! Wonderfully done videography, thank you for sharing.
@@simoncaddick9085 think your missing the point, I own a ‘23 R18 100 year anniversary, ‘20 Triumph T120 Diamond Edition, a ZX14 and a FJR1300. I’ve owned 57 motorcycles and too many dirt bikes to count. I know what I like and I don’t like bikes that vibrate my hands numb, I don’t care that its achingly beautiful if I won’t enjoy riding it. And if it’s character you speak of the R18 is loaded with it but the low amplitude vibes do not make hands feel like giant fuzz balls, ever. Some times it’s best to keep your uneducated opinions to your self my friend. Ride safe and well.
@@steveottavaino3804 I still say you're missing the point, mine's valid, but I'm glad you found something you can live with after such a variety of Motorcycles.
What a surprise, got up this morning made coffee was putting on the news and saw youtube, what the Hell, had a look and there was Darcy with a Commando, I didn't think you guys would be getting one, Nice. I agree with the Ol boy, I would have preferred the classic forks not the inverted forks, also I would have preferred rear shocks without the piggyback, but they are Olin's, cant beat that. Other than the price, like the Ol man I would prefer a more classic suspension system on a retro bike, I think its supposed to be a retro bike?. Being in Canada I'll probably never see or unless I win a lottery would not be able to justify owning but if I had the money Ya I would pay the extra just to say it was built in Great Britain. I love the tail section on the bike as well as the gas tank and I love the HP, 60 to 80 HP is perfect, I love that HP Range. Great vid, great bike and as I am a Continental GT owner looking forward to your review.
I have wanted one since 1972. lol. I wanted to split the cost with my brother, i think it was about $2800. He is OCD and a polisher. I am a hooligan. We did not make the purchase. lol. Don’t know if I would get one now, I am a dirt rider these days, safer than the street. Nice execution from the looks/sounds of it.
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Hallelujah ! one of the very few who really understand what this bike is all about. All of the negative comments on the 961 are from folk who have either no idea what they're talkin about, have never ridden one or think fast,smooth n modern mean better.... thanks to TVS for continuing building this bike.
Glad you agree!
Agreed
Agreed
Well said.
I couldn’t agree more! Today’s crop of riders are spoiled rotten whilst incapable for the most part of utilizing even half a percent of the Bikes performance capabilities and I wonder about their mechanical capabilities as well. The Indian company that acquired NORTON seems to have done a brilliant job of capturing the essence of the original and improving it via modern materials and manufacturing processes. LOVE the Mechanical Symphony of this modern interpretation of the Commando! If I had the $$$ I’d snap one up so quickly my Wife wouldn’t even get to say “why do you need ANOTHER Bike anyway?” before it was sitting in my Bike Barn!😝
Well I agree with you when you said "It's in a league of its own"!!! Great video as ever and lovely to hear your enthusiasm for the bike - defo not on for me though, I was really dissappointed with it.
TMF, what was the defining negative for you making this bike undesirable?
I think the Speed Twin 1200 is a much better modern retro. If you want the feeling and character an old bike gives then buy a good restored Commando 850, they were great bikes to ride.
This is the review this bike deserves, thank you Mr. Darcy.
My pleasure!
As a full grown adult man I’m neither on instagram nor tictok so unfortunately I can’t follow you on there😂 The video however was as usual incredibly well made and interesting. Loved it
Many thanks 😊
Fantastic review …..
I’ve got a soft spot for this bike ,it ticks all the boxes for me ,pure English Norton style .
Forget what happened regarding the modern Norton company ….just move on and keep building true modern classics .
Regards
Dave from Scotland
My brother had one, and he had trouble keeping me off of it! haha
Wonderful bike. Very peppy. Easy to work on. And, the looks ae just right.
Great review Darcy. Keep up the good work.
Eric in Kissimmee, fl.
Many thanks 😊
Interesting review. Agree 100% with you regarding the rubbish dumped in the country side (or anywhere). Pet hate of mine. Well done for taking time to highlight it 👋
What a bike!
It’s quite something!
Well I absolutely love my 961SF, nice to hear a review someone who gets it. Personally don't think it has a bad angle on it and love the engine. Its not fast, its not modern being push rod but that's the point. I own and ride a '59 Velocette Venom and the 961 has the right old school feel and vibes in a modern chassis. Triumph classics such as the Thruxton are superb bikes, look fantastic and brilliant Modern smooth, strong engines and that's where they don't work for me they are too modern so I didn't buy one, personal choice!!
We all love or need different things from our bikes, it is expensive and I guess that 'built in Britain' tag is the reason. If its too much don't buy it, I gave up with Ducati for the same reason, over priced and over tech'd for me.
Yes that’s precisely it! A lot of people have commented that the Thruxton is faster, but that’s irrelevant. Both me and the Ol Man would far rather have character than speed 💯👍🏼
The original Commando had the Isolastic motor mount system to quell those vibes. Vibration was a well known complaint on the earlier Nortons, and they developed a way to deal with it. I don't see any of that on this bike, so the vibes once again rear their ugly head. BTW, back in the day we didn't call it "character", we called it "vibration" "buzzy engine" or "British Twin".
You're only 21? You're really good at this reviewing lark and you're a credit to your dad mate.
That’s very kind of you!
I booked a test ride on the Commando for while I was getting the first service on my Street Triple RS, I love its looks and I decided to ignore all the negative reviews as it turned out wrongly, first off it weighs over 30kgs more than the 1970s Commando and it's gutless even compared to middleweight naked budget bikes like the Suzuki GSX8S and the Trident 660 which are 300cc less but still are more powerful, produce more torque and cost half the price, a more realistic comparison would be the Royal Enfield GT Continental or Interceptor but once again it's heavier than both and costs £10,000 more. don't forget the original Commando was the Fireblade or R1 of its day so I think it's not unreasonable to expect a bit of excitement from it, it's absolutely beautiful but equally an absolute disappointment.
That looks amazing. I'll be interested to see the factory! Bit out of my price range though, at the moment.. Maybe a used one in a couole of years?
I certainly wish them all the best with that. A tremendous effort. Great review too!
I’m happy that Norton continued development of this bike. Nice not having a radiator hanging out front to compromise the looks. Wish it sounded more like the old Commando with the 360 crank (former Norton owner here), but I’m sure this configuration is better, if not smoother. Seems to compare favorably with Triumph’s Thruxton.
looks like a beautifully custom classic, that's what I like
I've never heard you so enthusiastic about a bike before. I've had a closeup view at the London bike show and it really is a work of art. Would fit the second bike role for me but far too expensive. Ride safe!
Lovely image at the end there. A beautiful backdrop that Constable would have been impressed with and a soundtrack that encapsulates the British motoring obsession and history of innovation.
Great review, I like your editing and presentation style. And I agree with your summary of the bike, it has bags of character and sounds awesome. I had a factory tour myself a few months ago, unfortunately I didn't see the bikes being worked on as they were preparing for the launch of the new special editions. I'm looking forward to seeing your take on that. Ride safe. Cheers.
Yeah Man, I totally agree with You, that Norton Commando is a Gorgeous Bike, But those gold forks just don't look right! Now Black or Chrome Yes!
Norton has always had a Mystic to me, and my Father's Uncle Duggie Brown, my Great Uncle came second in 1920 Senior 500 TT on the Isle of Man on a Factory Norton winning £25 and a medal for second place, Duggie came second to Tommy de la Hays Who was riding the Sunbeam.
Great video, went for a test ride yesterday. Loved it, picking up a brand new one next Saturday. Great to see a dealership with stock.👍
Awesome, enjoy it when it arrives 👍🏼👍🏼
So expensive that it's not going to see much rain. Gorgeous looking mind you
Truly a work of art. Here in the Midwest of the USA, there are more purple unicorns than Nortons.
Pricey, but so is a Thruxton and a Z900rs. I don't think you buy one of these because it makes financial sense. I preferred the black paint until I saw the silver in the metal, I think it's stunning. How much can I get for a kidney? 😂
Great enthusiastic reporting, though my ' 72 commando with carefully rebuilt combat engine using superior parts and common sense engine improvements would leave this new norton behind .
Triumph still make the Tiger 1200 and 900 at Hinckley. Plus the Rocket TFC. And all Rocket 3 engines are built there
Very cool to see Norton back in the game
Absolutely!
Great looking bike, you really couldn't hide how much you liked that bike. I think with the amount of bling on the bike it's probably mostly going to be a weekend toy for most owners, so the short mudguard doesn't matter.
Standing back and LOOKING at it, I can buy 4 KLR650's for one of these, don't get me wrong, nice bike, how could it not be a weekend toy?
The Norton 981 Commando was first designed down the road away in Milwaukee, Or. U.S.A. I saw and heard a pre-production prototype, moving through downtown traffic here. It was instant lust. Sadly, production was halted and the design and production rights sold. It's still a beautiful bike.
It is a very nice but expensive bike. I have a 1988 Lowrider, hotted up, it has character. I also have a 2022 Pan Am Special Enthusiast Collection, I think it has character too, especially since I fitted a Vance and Hines muffler, which has significantly improved the power and torque under 5000rpm and over as well, the vibration from the motor makes if feel meaty on the 150hp setting. The character it has is different, more tech based. I ride it most days each week, it is a fantastic commuter and all roads sports tourer. It is not an off road bike, it can do it, but it is like a truck in weight compared to a proper smaller size off road bike. It is the perfect bike of Australian roads, because they are crap roads, with lots of potholes.
I think you look better on this than the Indian Scouts.
If I could by an Norton I would.
Had a test ride on one 6 months ago, a wonderful experience no other bike is like it, I will have one eventually however, used one that’s come down in price, it’s crying out for some bar end mirrors but that’s all👍
Had a 750 and 850 Norton commando in calif. Good to see Norton still exists.
Always enjoy an enthusiastic review and this was well shot with high production values.
Many thanks 😊
Nice to hear a positive review. I really want Norton to succeed and this is a lovely machine in many ways... but the price, wish they could have found a way to keep the essence and 'hand built in Britain' authenticity at a lower price.
Great monologue at the end about buying British. It is such a characterful bike and the press it has received in some way reminds me of the Hesketh V1000, a bike that came out when I first started riding in the early 80’s and a bike I’m sure the Old Man will remember. A bike built in Britain in an era of total Japanese dominance that was outclassed in practically every way yet so uniquely British and very expensive, even more so today should you be able to find one 👍.
It’s beautiful and surely sells itself on the looks, sound and nostalgia, and I get the connection to it from the way it feels alive. Kind of like a restomod Norton but at the end of the day
A) £16k ouch!
B) USD forks a bit meh.
What does this give over a Guzzi v7 special or Triumph speed twin?
Yes, it is beautiful. But I do not want one. Maybe I expect too much from a 17,000 dollar motorcycle. But I am Glad Norton is back !
I don't want to kerb your enthusiasm, but I hope that tank s steel, as if it is still plastic you might find it reacts with the new petrol. A friend had one of these and sold it as the tank reacted with the fuel, and a replacement was about £2500, made by the same company. It is a nice looking bike but be aware of its faults. Good luck
The Commando is a beautiful bike, from any angle. I like the “open” look between the frame. The tank, the (gold) forks, engine - everything is gorgeous. I can accept the vibrations and I can accept the rather high price. Yet I think it is a bit short in the horsepower and torque departments. I’m sure that in the real world it has more than enough umph about it but a special bike should be a little bit “special” in performance as well. This is a fur coat and no knickers job.
A sixth gear in the US is a requirement. . .I have a classic Triumph thunderbird triple and it’s great up to about 50 mph. . .after that it’s working hard, where by T120 cruises at 75 mph with Cruise control as well as my BMW K1600. . .
Very nice, very thoughtful review. I am, however, bothered by the fact that discussion of the 961 rarely mentions Kenny Dreer. He is the bridge between Norton then and Norton now, and there would be no 961 without him (or any Norton as we know it, for that matter).
Great presenting Sir! I loved my Thruxton. This bike is prettier and would be worth the extra dosh as it's built in England BUT I doubt the engine is as smooth (Thruxton 270 degree crank) , and it's not nearly as powerful, so unfortunately it's a no from me.
I have a full chrome fender and chrome headlight, and it only cost me $402 in 1973. Still own it today and it starts right away.
Excellent piece
A real modern classic. at last !
personally I love this design more than the Triumph Thruxton or even Speed Twin and the power output is seldom of concern. A must buy for me.
Looks like a fun bike. Nothing there that cannot be had for half the price though.
Not sure why everyone seems to moan about the price of these bikes. I had a 961 cafe racer in 2019 and it was £16,500 BEFORE the open exhaust pipes were fitted. Considering inflation etc these Nortons are effectively cheaper than they were 5 years ago! And hopefully more reliable 😬
50 mph to avoid uncomfortable vibration is way too much character for a bike costing this much for me. My Royal Enfield Classic Chrome 500 can ridden at 55 mph and looks great is at least 75% less expensive.
Now my Royal Enfield brakes and suspension are budget but do you need great brakes and suspension for 50 mph?
Would I buy the Norton 961 if I had the money? Oh yes but as 4th motorcycle but it would have to replace the Royal Enfield and that sounds crazy to me.
Completely understand, I think this bike will appeal to a very small niche
An absolute looker, your presentation makes me want one, Darcy.
The 5-gear box is sufficient, at least for me.
Made me want one too 🥴😆
@@MrDarcy-OlMan Go for it, mate 👍
Bike looks stunning ( barring the tail light ) but I won’t be rushing out to swap my Z900RS anytime soon. Half the price near enough as well.
The looks, the sound of my youth...what more is there to say...Norton has captured the essence of the past. ❤
Retro Dunstall pipes would look and sound good on that, I had a le man's with Bell mouth dellortos and conti pipes awesome machine, I let it go in a deal for a jota
Reminds me of an early Ducati monster vibi loud and full of character and stunning to look at. It was a great review, passion, and proud of your country we'll done .
The cylinder fins could be a little more reminiscent of the original, but still, a gorgeous machine.
Love the look of the Norton, but need to see what TVS are all about first. Thank you for the rant about people who dump rubbish, it’s terrible that people think it’s ok. No excuse for it.
The 961 is truly a fabulous looking bike that sounds awesome, would I buy one ? absolutely, you won't see another parked next to you at the local bikers cafe.
Of course you will, they arent gonna sell just one. Plus this is deffo a bike that will frequent biker cafes, no doubt about that.
The point was you will see numerous retro Triumphs & Royal Enfield etc at your local bikers cafe however you won't see too many 961's , ultimately it will be a rare site.
Stunning looks, but it's the classic sound that steals the show i think.
Love the bike, put some bar end mirrors on, apart from that its standard and character it has in bucket loads, it’s a keeper!
I love these things, even with the gold front end. But in Australia, they are way too expensive at $35,000 Aud. By comparison, a new V7 Stone is $19 k and if you shop around a bit, you'll find last years model for a bit over $16k.
Yea for me personally I would still buy the guzzi, they are £6k used here
I have one and a V7
If I could only have one it would be the V7 is a much more versatile machine.
The Norton is about posing if I'm honest about it.
@@MrDarcy-OlMan That leaves you a lot of change for a pint and a counter meal once or twice a week.
@@davidforsdike4343 I wish that I'd known about them when I purchased my last bike. The older model didn't quite do it for me, but these newer ones look very impressive, indeed. A friend of mine has an El Dorado and a T5. He's had the T5 for what seems like forever, and it just keeps going. It's got close to 300K kms. on the clock and the engine is still on the original bores, rings and bottom end. An amazing bit of kit, I've got to say. The only other bike that I've seen with that sort of mileage is a K75 BMW. Ugly bike, but you can't kill them with an axe.
I don’t think there is an Australian distributor at the moment. Brisbane motorcycles used to, but stopped when Norton had company issues.
I love this bike and never owned a Norton but However I have had a BSA (Loved it) and currently CBRRRR. If I can spare the cash I want a Norton for sure. Everyone wants one. Look at those spoked wheels omg thats sex.
Firstly, I love the randomness of your reviews, secondly I think the bike looks quite big even when you sit on it , love your review a completely honest no holds barred review in fact I have no money but started looking on eBay after your review, it made me want one 😂 price is steep but it's something you would keep just for that one day of sun in the UK,then put it in the living room instead of a TV for the rest of the year !
Unfortunately we can’t get this in the U.S., but I wanted a Norton since high school back in the 70’s. Maybe the next model will be ready for us.
You and your Dad have a great, no-nonsense approach; which makes you so watchable and which makes clickbait headlines all the more jarring. Is there really no better way to game the algorithm?
It is not a clickbait title as such because the content delivers strongly. No one else will tell you what we said in the video because all the other reviewers have not liked it as much as we have 👍🏼
I share your rage about flytipping. I live in London where it’s out of control, shame that it’s spreading to large parts of the countryside now.
Anyway great review, I’d love a Norton in my garage but bike cost and insurance makes this a no-no right now.
Lana liked it, in a Tryrolian dream roadscape, as I recall & she's a biker after my own heart....
Great review. I've seen a lot worse regarding this bike, but you understand it's all about character...my only concern would be reliability...time for a long term test
It really is a bloody good lookin thing isn't it.
Modern Nortons just look stunning. Everything about it screams art. Only change that'd be needed would be removing the CAT and swapping that horrible plate with a classic black and silver plate.
Not so much a fan of the rear light ... and from the side the lines / weight don't seem quite right. But everything else ... oh my, oh my, oh my! It sounds beautiful. I do wonder though about the vibrations: I ride (amongst others) a Ducati S4R ... Ducs are known for being rumbly so it would be interesting to know how this compares. It looks beautiful. So glad to see Norton back in business. Just gorgeous.
Interested to know the brand and model of pants you're wearing: very cool and not at all "bikey" - could easily fit in with Sunday brunch crowd down at the local cafe.
The trousers are made by Fuel, they are so comfortable and cool looking. We love them 😊
Here is the link to them: fuelmotorcycles.eu/collections/heritage-pants/products/marshal-pants?variant=39908155621399
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It's an absolutely beautiful bike. I would love one. But for the price I would just buy a much cheaper Speed Twin 1200 or Z900RS.
At 4:52 I recognise Main Street Oakham . . . . Rutland . . . . the most beautiful secret location in England!
By the way, Rutland does have excellent recycling centres, there is one at North Luffenham, which will accept all that rubbish at 9:05 without any charge.
Hey now, Triumphs are still made in the UK. Not all of them, sure, but the higher spec ones are. Lets be honest the commando is...just not as good as a Thruxton. Not as high spec, not as good looking, doesn't handle as well, not as fast. The Nortons are just impossible to justify given the competition just down the road.
I'd rather have a Speed Twin 1200. A much better bike even if it is put together in one of Triumph's factories in Thailand. So what, it's not 1960 anymore.😂
Never really loved Norton's personally. I know people really have loved the looks but something about the flow of bike body parts in the past turned me off compared to Triumph's bikes, particularly the rear, but this I really like! I really love that you are using the word Character for this bike, I honestly think that's the most important feature of a motorcycle so you've definitely made me want one now!
P.S. It would be super helpful if when you compare this bike to features in other bikes that you do a quick overlay so we can see what you're talking about. Great video!
Love the review. Not keen on the Dunflop tyres or the brake & clutch reservoirs or the sound of the electric starter motor, oh and the cheap looking indicators but that’s about it.
The rest is pure beauty. I’m not that bothered about the vibration issues either. This Norton Commando is an art form on wheels.
I’d have no qualms at all of owning any of the 961 variants as they all look so good. I’m torn between the silver or black.
Thanks for your video and the crystal clear quality of your recording equipment.
As for the fly tippers, they need a good thumping and burying somewhere secluded far from the madding crowds. Going back to the tyres, they need changing to a good set of Michelin R6’s IMO.
Nice looking bike, although I think the old 70's Commando Roadster might still pip it for looks
In the 5-speed gearbox - there are bikes (and cars) that have a massive overdrive in 5th gear, it just means you only ride in 1st-4th unless you're cruising at 50mph+
The Kawasaki W800 actually has a mighty overdrive, you should try and get on one of them to compare it against modern classics. It's a shame Kawasaki stopped selling that bike here, it's a stunner!
Yes such a shame! I’m hoping one pops up in a local dealer so I can try it out
I bought a new W800 some years ago. It looked good, was nicely built, but it lacked power for overtakes and the single disc front brake was too weak for my liking.
Closing in on 100k Darcy, big congrats to you and the big man 👊 love the Norton, on my list.
Thank you, yes we are looking forward to our 100k wall plaque 👍🏼
@@MrDarcy-OlMan really enjoyed the review, shows the different perspective of the retro vs modern rider of “character”, there is something to oil/air cooled bikes, be interesting to test the RE Interceptor and ContiGT or water cooled Thruxton RS,
@@MrDarcy-OlMan I bought the Honda CB1100RS off the back of your review and never regretted, great bikes now sadly discontinued, on my second now, a 2020 5Four edition 😎
@@78Outlaw great to hear 👍🏼
Absolutely fantastic genuine looking British café racer. Agree 100 percent that the gold anodising is an eye sore and the front mudguard is useless. Everything else is spot on.
I think that you summed it up beautifully. It isn't cheap, is it? Comparing it with an R.E. 650 will be most interesting 👍👍
It had better be apples to oranges for Norton's sake.
They’ve certainly run with design cues from the originals and done a pretty good job of it. Looks like an Interstate and a Fastback begot a baby. Agree on the fork tubes and the front guard. Just about guarantee that various companies will bring in accessories to remedy much of for those seeking a genuine retro look. I can see it in black with gold pinstripes and lettering. My old Nortons were vibration free unless the isolastics were shot or too tight. Priced out of the reach of most of us though.
The performance figures seem a bit underwhelming but actual riding might make these meaningless. It sounds like the business though!
Good informative video! 👍🏻
I love everything about it... EXCEPT that bloody awful vestigial front mudguard!!! Chocolate fireguard anyone? Honestly what were they thinking? Good review
As you no I ride a Harley but if my wallet had enough money in it I would absolutely have a Norton if only for the sound what a beautiful bike vibration doesn’t bother me it’s the bike I would put clip ons on it and ride it as a caff racer and I’m crowding 50 but ha ho nice for short rides out great vid as always 👍
When I visited the dealer and started asking serious questions about actually buying one I was told a 3 year service plan was £1600. Now, considering it’s got hydraulic valves we are talking only oil and filters so how do they justify that? It started to look like a very expensive money pit. I still like it but I did walk away.
Just subscribed, can’t wait to watch comparo with Royal Enfield. By the way, Enfields sound meaty with a sports exhaust. I lusted after 850 commandos as a kid too.
Welcome to the channel 👍🏼
I think I prefer an old 850 commando.A mint old 850 against a new 961, don't even need to think about it.
As a Swedish man Öhlins is a must and they need to be "GOLD" without a doubt. But i agree, that is a stunning bike! By the way, over here in Sweden we call Öhlins "Swedish Gold"
Good to know!
Nice review, You are right the Norton 961 is a true Retro
About time Norton got their act together and got the bike up to Euro 5 spec , whats the point In having a product If you cant sell It world wide . Great video by the way .
I see your point, but I think if it was euro 5 it’d lose a lot of its character
@jimdoar2546I agree but you and I know that's not going to happen..Norton are In the businesses to sell bikes so Its Euro 5 or die imo
@jimdoar2546 Well said.
Is your dad ok? how come he’s not riding in these video’s lately ?
I enjoyed his take on stuff very much
He is fine and will be back soon 👍🏼
He is on the Dad 'n' Darcy channel currently, just too muddy in Wales at the mo!
Going to the Hand Built motorcycle show in Austin next month. Praying there will be one of those in attendance.
Stunning looks - apart from the gold forks / rear shocks (silver please) and the front mudguard (longer and or with clip-on for wet conditions). Inconspicuous LED indicators too... Personally I would like slightly higher bars ( I'm 6.2) and 'angleable' clocks to face rider directly (tangential to eye). Surely there is space for the seat to be better padded ( if uncomfortable ) and for adjustment rearward for longer legs. For the price such details (options) may matter. Vibration - it has a 270 degree crank with balancer shafts so that should be smooth enough.... The exhaust sound could be deeper. But overall, gorgeous.
I like the gold. Same on my R NineT;)
So we can add Norton to the list of brands with golden fork legs, Ohlin's have a lot on their conscience. Golden fork legs on a Commando, what were they thinking? Can anyone imagine the original Commando with golden fork legs? It's a shame, because apart from those fork legs and the reservoirs on the rear shocks it's a stunning machine (as it should be at that price). But I guess that in that price range you can live with having to pay a little extra for a pair of fork legs that actually match the bike.
Nortons strike a special place with me. I love them. Have yet to see one that I hated.
Good looking bike. But I would defo change the forks to black and get rid of that awful front mud guard and replace it with something that works.
Royal Enfield Classic 350 front mudguard is about as long as they come, I fitted a sump guard and in 15 miles on a dry day there's already a mud streak up the guard.
In India, you can buy 7 Royal Enfield Interceptor/INT650 for the price of 1 Norton 961
That’s incredible!
Id rather buy one Norton than seven Royal Enfield's . Just sayin .
@@nizzmo100 haha that's a fair perspective.
@@Pushkar147 (Though a tad loaded, I love me an Interceptor too Pushkar, but this Commando really is something special.. This is a good time for motorcycles methinks, in fact, I'm on record using the phrase "new golden age of Motorcycling".. ..and this machine really does represent so much..
@@simoncaddick9085 I have the same thoughts. I have a Continental gt535 which is the older GT with vibrations and I am truly a fan of this Norton - other than its high price
They didn't rubber mount the motor?
Looks good but I would spend my money on an original one or a Triumph Thruxton.
Achingly beautiful, complete eye candy. On par with the R18 but the vibrations would put me off of it unfortunately. Hoping a number of years of refinement will sort out its short comings and it happens while I can still swing a leg over!!! Wonderfully done videography, thank you for sharing.
Yep, 'Buy a Beemer, because you're completely missing the point.
@@simoncaddick9085 think your missing the point, I own a ‘23 R18 100 year anniversary, ‘20 Triumph T120 Diamond Edition, a ZX14 and a FJR1300. I’ve owned 57 motorcycles and too many dirt bikes to count. I know what I like and I don’t like bikes that vibrate my hands numb, I don’t care that its achingly beautiful if I won’t enjoy riding it. And if it’s character you speak of the R18 is loaded with it but the low amplitude vibes do not make hands feel like giant fuzz balls, ever. Some times it’s best to keep your uneducated opinions to your self my friend. Ride safe and well.
@@steveottavaino3804 I still say you're missing the point, mine's valid, but I'm glad you found something you can live with after such a variety of Motorcycles.
What a surprise, got up this morning made coffee was putting on the news and saw youtube, what the Hell, had a look and there was Darcy with a Commando, I didn't think you guys would be getting one, Nice. I agree with the Ol boy, I would have preferred the classic forks not the inverted forks, also I would have preferred rear shocks without the piggyback, but they are Olin's, cant beat that. Other than the price, like the Ol man I would prefer a more classic suspension system on a retro bike, I think its supposed to be a retro bike?. Being in Canada I'll probably never see or unless I win a lottery would not be able to justify owning but if I had the money Ya I would pay the extra just to say it was built in Great Britain. I love the tail section on the bike as well as the gas tank and I love the HP, 60 to 80 HP is perfect, I love that HP Range. Great vid, great bike and as I am a Continental GT owner looking forward to your review.
I have wanted one since 1972. lol. I wanted to split the cost with my brother, i think it was about $2800. He is OCD and a polisher. I am a hooligan. We did not make the purchase. lol.
Don’t know if I would get one now, I am a dirt rider these days, safer than the street. Nice execution from the looks/sounds of it.
Enjoying your reviews. I’d love one of these and am seriously considering selling one of my kids or a vital organ to get one.
😂thanks buddy!