It's so fking boring, lazy, and brain dead but at the same time there's no reason to do any other move because it's simply too good. His nair ruins his whole character which is unfortunate.
Isaiah Campbell once people start using perfect shield more Ike’s nair won’t be as scary looking anymore, and most people in tournaments will probably drop him
Ike was my main in Brawl, and I've mained him ever since. I'm so happy with SSBU Ike, because he's true to his Brawl rendition (The one I was more used to.)
Snake: colonel that guy is swinging his two handed sword with one hand, i don't want to get anywhere near him. Colonel: I see you're fighting Ike Snake, just dont forget that you're armed to the teeth yourself, for you're oponents you might be they're worst nightmare. Well certaintly not against Mk leo's Ike
The irony that so many people here are ripping on Ike, yet Ike was relatively undiscovered until MKLeo started performing well with him in tournaments.
Dude Cloud had everything. In smash4, both Ike and Cloud are ranged sword fighters, yet Cloud is better in every single way. Cloud has better frame data, better move speed, he has limit, better recovery (has an actual wall jump), his Down B kills ridiculously early, etc. Cloud is still really good, he’s not gonna suffer Bc ONE move got nerfed. Lolol
BrianTDG I know but a lot of people are quick to call a character op or needs to get nerfed simply because they have things that work really good against characters for example Ike’s nair to up air or just his nair in general
Papa Smurf Yeah same I’ve also seen people say that Palutena was op when she really isn’t, yeah she has a lot of good moves and other things but there really isn’t anything “op” about her
@@ThatLazykid254 I don't think any characters is OP or needs nerfs. I think people just see a character win alot or got bodied by that character once and automatically assume it's OP.
I can usually tell who wins judging by when the video ends, but towards the end I was thinking to myself why it was gonna end so soon? Then I realized how on those last 10 seconds
General Guts It’s just not his playstyle, however there is some neat ledge canceling tech we’re you can hold it that came out recently so me might see more of it.
@@nathanenzor2424 Which is weird because he uses the grenades so well, a complimentary C4 here and there would give him even more stage control and mix ups.
Raptormann0205 As a Snake player (nowhere near Ally, but still) that would be the biggest reason why I wouldn't place it for stage control. The only other reason would be if I were planning to stick him on the sneak.
10:49 How would Ally feel if he found out that version 2.0.0 makes it so that Ike now dies first whenever he’s trying suicide with up b because the meteor smash launch power is reduced?
What's funny is SO many people in comments are ripping on Leo and Ike going "MYYEEEEEH NAIR NAIR NAIR LOLZ", and...it just proves how desensitized you all are to Snake doing NOTHING but spamming B. That's what ANY good tournament player is doing, spamming/fishing with their set-up moves to combo into big damage or kills. For Ike, it's a sweeping aerial, for Snake, it's a fuck-ton of grenades. At the very least, Ike is in the thick of a brawl when he's using Nair. I actively avoid watching Snake matches because it's so fucking boring watching every person have to navigate a literal mine-field just to start to fight. Yet the comments here are inundated with people fondling Ally's balls because he does what literally every tournament level Snake does, while shitting on Leo for doing the same thing. Yah...ok.
Snake's character is all about stage control. That's why nobody's batting an eye. Because that's what his character is all about. Owning all the real estate
it is so nice to finally see Ally lose. i’ve seen a lot of smash tournament videos and he always wins because of a million grenades and the same tactic. i’ve always wanted to see an Ike player be in these tournaments and i just got the best of both worlds. i’m not a hater, mad respect to both of those guys. but, Ally was getting old. i remember there being a comment earlier saying that some characters have their limitations and Snake just doesn’t. I personally use Ike and it was really fun to see him in action and to triumph against that Snake. ok back to my life GG
@@lazarusnecrosis5869 Idk what the commentator was on about. His up smash has always been the mortar. But his DOWN smash did change from a mine to two kicks on each side.
Why does everybody complain about spamming grandes to play defensive against a character that outranges him and also spams. The entire match was pretty much nair until it hits, nair again, and then upair, maybe fair
Es cierto que se puede hacer frustrante jugar contra Snake por las granadas. Pero ese es su estilo de juego, así es cómo verdaderamente se juega Snake, y es su manera de ser más efectivo. Simplemente hay que adaptarse.
Why is this community obsessed with "broken" "op" and things like that? Inkiling, K Rool, Belmont, Chrom, Ike, Peach, Wolf have all been called broken and the game is only 1 month old. At this pace in 1 year all the cast will be called broken.
I mean most of the characters you listed are very strong in the early meta of the game (not including King k rool he's overrated), I'm an olimar main so idk most mu's seem fair to me atm, some characters need some tweaks like robin but nothing is crazy
@@rospoho never said I disagree just saying there is some justification to the claims but none are permanent and half the time it's just mu based or easiness
@@officialpslleague2954 I mean, what does "broken" mean to you? Wolf has comparable tournament placings to Inkling, and Chrom's placings are like two times better than Ike's lol. Don't get me wrong I agree with you on most accounts.
Is it just me, or is watching people play pro sooo fucking boring. They literally use a very small amount of their B moves so you dont actually get to see how good they are with the actual character.. they just spam A while hopping around and blocking..meaning that you can literally be just as good with Pikachu as with Ike if thats all theyre doing..
Gabriel Silvério playing snake is hard, you skillfully stack the odds in your favor and gain a massive lead, only for it to crumble by some cheap tactic or hard hitting move
Ike deserves to have a good grab because his Nair is susceptible to parries and grab is a way for ike to counter parry attempts. Getting 2 grabs doesnt mean ike wins lol, ike's throws dont kill and dont lead into anything true at kill percents. I can understand why people are getting frustrated about ike but I would argue that he is one of the most well balanced characters in the game, ike's defense and disadvantage state are both mediocre so its brilliant that he has a strong offensive to keep him competitive.
Cloud Bucket I dunno what you're talking about, there's tons of people that constantly complain about Snake's "spamming" grenades in the youtube comments. That might not be the case here, but it's definitely something that happens a lot on other videos.
A lot of Ikes playstyle revolves around getting nair and comboing out of them. The reason its busted is that it does loke 15% and has the range of a mid sized explosion, and then comboes to kill moves
I don't think anyone really answered your question. nair stands for neutral air which is when you hit A in the air without pointing your left stick any direction. ike uses that move a lot in this video hence the jokes the comments
In Smash there is only objective, to win. You cant tell someone to stop being one dimensional if they whoop your ass with Ike. And yeah you spelled dimensional wrong.
Doesn't matter if it's Chrom or Ike, that suicide tactic is the most dangerous thing in this game. I'm torn between thinking it should be nerfed or not, because that is as ridiculous as it looks.
@@trashcant4678 He's looks like a solid contender for top 15 to me. Leo has demonstrated fairly decently how he can dominate you with just one or two mistakes.
Ike Nairs for his friends
James Richards
"You'll get no smash attacks from me."
"I smash attack to no one."
"Your stocks taste...incredible."
It's so fking boring, lazy, and brain dead but at the same time there's no reason to do any other move because it's simply too good. His nair ruins his whole character which is unfortunate.
@@LoftOfTheUniverse yeah he sucks playing IKE. Just a basic smash player who uses a power crutch like all the gannondorfers on NO
@@LoftOfTheUniverse no, just no
Good Ike players are actually terrifying
Isaiah Campbell once people start using perfect shield more Ike’s nair won’t be as scary looking anymore, and most people in tournaments will probably drop him
@@thekdanes yeah light already did that with fox and won against MKLeo
*spammers.
@@theriddler5 I would recommend not calling MKLeo a spammer.
@@RespecttehPixel Oh well, that's what they do. Spam ariels.
Nair-Man vs. Boom Boom Boy
Jordan Cornwell Grenade Guru
Missile Master
Being an Ike main since Brawl never felt so good
You and me both
Right?
Ike was my main in Brawl, and I've mained him ever since. I'm so happy with SSBU Ike, because he's true to his Brawl rendition (The one I was more used to.)
So cool that Ally’s playing Snake again.
@jagmosa Ally's the most aggressive top player Snake.
And fire emblem characters don't play lame?
Most top players play "lame."
jagmosa lol u funny 😄 snake is way better than any of your mains that your playing. Even ness
Hey what’s Ike’s best move snake?
Snake: N-AIR
Alfonso Labay an absolute gem of a comment lol.
I get it.
You bitch...
Someone explain this to me
@@493HZ Snake says "There" when he activates his C4, and N-AIR sounds like "There"
And Nair is Ike's best move.
That last stock was *DIRTY*
Mkleo: Ike is not my best character.
Ally: How did you get passed my grenade and c4
Mkleo: Nair to Up air. But he’s still not my best character
Like the nerve on this guy right.
@@kingj521 but hes just telling the truth
Lol crazy thing is he was telling the truth all along
That comeback from Leo in the first game. Both such gifted players.
Snake: colonel that guy is swinging his two handed sword with one hand, i don't want to get anywhere near him.
Colonel: I see you're fighting Ike Snake, just dont forget that you're armed to the teeth yourself, for you're oponents you might be they're worst nightmare.
Well certaintly not against Mk leo's Ike
7:53 "A big-behind sword"
win lose or draw, I love watching Ally's Snake
😂😂🤣
Need a minute to rephrase that, bud?
All aboard the Nair Plane
Lucas Of Tazmily and grenade train
The irony that so many people here are ripping on Ike, yet Ike was relatively undiscovered until MKLeo started performing well with him in tournaments.
BRUH THIS IS SUCH FACTS HE WAS ALWAYS IGNORED BUT NOW SINCE MKLEO’S UTILIZING HIM EVERYONES HOPPING ON THE BANDWAGON
i like how they nerfed clouds nair and added the range to ike's, perfect balance
well ike and cloud are both good characters so I think it worked
Caleb Gladwin Ike is way easier and way better than cloud. Cloud got over nerfed.
Bakin lmao how was he over nerfed if he’s still widely regarded as a viable high tier
Dude Cloud had everything.
In smash4, both Ike and Cloud are ranged sword fighters, yet Cloud is better in every single way.
Cloud has better frame data, better move speed, he has limit, better recovery (has an actual wall jump), his Down B kills ridiculously early, etc.
Cloud is still really good, he’s not gonna suffer Bc ONE move got nerfed. Lolol
Why you saying the exact same words as zero?
Wow, a subtle wendy cameo at the very start
Mah boi Ike doing work. Gonna play more of him cuz I love playing him
I’m surprised I haven’t seen any “Ike needs to get nerfed” type comments
Lazykid254 he doesnt
BrianTDG I know but a lot of people are quick to call a character op or needs to get nerfed simply because they have things that work really good against characters for example Ike’s nair to up air or just his nair in general
Ikr. I've seen hundreds of nerf snake comments but no nerf ike comments even tho ike seems so much better
Papa Smurf Yeah same I’ve also seen people say that Palutena was op when she really isn’t, yeah she has a lot of good moves and other things but there really isn’t anything “op” about her
@@ThatLazykid254 I don't think any characters is OP or needs nerfs. I think people just see a character win alot or got bodied by that character once and automatically assume it's OP.
5:00 did he really call snakes up smash a claymore?
he probably mean claymore as in the explosive mine claymore
Capitaine Cheng i dont think so cuz he already mentioned the C4
I think he was talking about ikes sword
@@randomdude7778 he might not have known what he was talking about himself tbh lol
@@BronzeOrwin claymore was removed for snake in ultimate
He has a down kick like falcon now
I can usually tell who wins judging by when the video ends, but towards the end I was thinking to myself why it was gonna end so soon? Then I realized how on those last 10 seconds
5:46 T H A T S A L O T O F D A M A G E
Everyone complaining about ike's nair like 80% of snakes moves arent grenades
Of course, because only 1 of his moves is about granades.
Let's see my little cousin can play Ike like Leo while nobody I know can play snake even half as good as Ally.
@@LoftOfTheUniverse and who ended up winning?
Grenades, rocket propelled grenades, remote controlled rocket propelled grenades, remote detonated grenades, and portable artillery fired grenades. Yep
LoftOfTheUniverse Yeah, sure. Ike is so good and easy that MkLeo was the only one that actually got far in the tournament with him.
Why doesn't Ally ever use C4? is it that bad of a move?
General Guts It’s just not his playstyle, however there is some neat ledge canceling tech we’re you can hold it that came out recently so me might see more of it.
@@nathanenzor2424 Which is weird because he uses the grenades so well, a complimentary C4 here and there would give him even more stage control and mix ups.
He's probably keeping the C4 in case he needs it to recover.
@@levelzero4187 Ike kills off the top and sides though. He doesn't need the C4 for recovery.
Raptormann0205 As a Snake player (nowhere near Ally, but still) that would be the biggest reason why I wouldn't place it for stage control. The only other reason would be if I were planning to stick him on the sneak.
I need to get good at pulling down and doing aerials, pretty sure that's why I suck at this game.
Nair the character
10:49 How would Ally feel if he found out that version 2.0.0 makes it so that Ike now dies first whenever he’s trying suicide with up b because the meteor smash launch power is reduced?
They reduced the meteor distance, but are you sure your not confusing Ike and Chrom's variations of Aether?
That last stock look hella pretty with the way you Maunver and set it up.
Ike’s nair isn’t broken, it’s good. There’s a difference
What's funny is SO many people in comments are ripping on Leo and Ike going "MYYEEEEEH NAIR NAIR NAIR LOLZ", and...it just proves how desensitized you all are to Snake doing NOTHING but spamming B. That's what ANY good tournament player is doing, spamming/fishing with their set-up moves to combo into big damage or kills. For Ike, it's a sweeping aerial, for Snake, it's a fuck-ton of grenades.
At the very least, Ike is in the thick of a brawl when he's using Nair. I actively avoid watching Snake matches because it's so fucking boring watching every person have to navigate a literal mine-field just to start to fight. Yet the comments here are inundated with people fondling Ally's balls because he does what literally every tournament level Snake does, while shitting on Leo for doing the same thing. Yah...ok.
Snake's character is all about stage control. That's why nobody's batting an eye. Because that's what his character is all about. Owning all the real estate
no c4 plays?
Wow, es casi increíble ver a Ally de esta manera. Pensé que era casi invencible. MKleo es brutal 🇲🇽 👌
Ahora míralo siendo un acosador de menores, es más increíble
does ally tilt with c - stick? someone know?
it is so nice to finally see Ally lose. i’ve seen a lot of smash tournament videos and he always wins because of a million grenades and the same tactic. i’ve always wanted to see an Ike player be in these tournaments and i just got the best of both worlds. i’m not a hater, mad respect to both of those guys. but, Ally was getting old. i remember there being a comment earlier saying that some characters have their limitations and Snake just doesn’t. I personally use Ike and it was really fun to see him in action and to triumph against that Snake. ok back to my life GG
I think ally started to lose his mojo on this set. Noticed him playing a little too aggressively.
Ally vale vergally
Justus O'Connor What do you mean? Don’t tell me your mom does not, unless you’re adopted. LOL
@@AntiSVH Im adopted my dude
why does the video look so dark?
That finish! I love MKLeo😂👌🏽👌🏽
@5:15 I thought Snake's Up Smash was a mortar now, not the claymore?
His up smash is the mortar wym
@@minxy6121 That's what I said. The commentator mentioned a Claymore though. Wasn't that his old up smash not the new one?
@@lazarusnecrosis5869 Idk what the commentator was on about. His up smash has always been the mortar. But his DOWN smash did change from a mine to two kicks on each side.
The fact that Leo could win these loosing matchups in top level play without a top tier just shows how much of a beast he is
5:47 Uh oh. Someone's in need of Flex Tape again 😮
The spacing is so consistent from leo
That last stock!
Clash of the heavy humans!
5:47 Gonna need some Flex Seal after that one
Mkleo finishing with style, he did that against a bayo player later on the tournoment also. He is a beast.
Wish I could've seen an Ike ditto. Although, I don't know how good Ally's Ike is in Ultimate. Now, Project M Ike is a different story.
MKLeo play style it’s just too good. Smash ultimate don’t have Gods yet but MKLeo is earning points for that title
RD IKE IS BETTER!
PLAY RD IKE (cuz he’s hot)
Indeed I use the black knight alt.
PoR Ike is overrated btw
Geno-cide Yeah. It’s weird. They seem to be equally as popular in polls.
Like 50% like PoR. 50% like RD
But 100% think Ike’s hot. Lol
Tbh RD Ike all the way solely for making him different from Marth aesthetically
I cannot see the differences between nair and foward air
it's simple
nair : swing its big sword
fair : swing its big sword
oh wait
Nair can hit behind Ike, Fair can't but it can hit underhim
最高だぜ！
Best Ike = Mkleo❤
game 1 was over when ally started playing scared.
Mkleo its just to good
Jason Lobo imo its the matchup, snake has garbage landing while ike is good at juggling
@@chaseblackstone8749 but you can deny leo skill, if you or i would be that ike im pretty sure we will lose
There's always Mexicans on here ranting about Leo who can't get to finals unless he plays Ike or Cloud.
LoftOfTheUniverse he won with Luciana lol
LoftOfTheUniverse oh and btw ike is his 6th best character , I’m guessing Roy is his first he plays it rarely on stream but god damn he’s good on him
Why does everybody complain about spamming grandes to play defensive against a character that outranges him and also spams. The entire match was pretty much nair until it hits, nair again, and then upair, maybe fair
Why are you complaining about nair when snake just spammed grenades? See it works both ways
P.S im a Snake and Ike main
Zarago his point was exactly what you are saying man. People always complain about snakes grenades but Ike did the same thing with a different move.
@@FunkyPhil265 they both need those moves or else how are they going to space properly?
@@zarago7065 What I'm saying is that people shouldn't complain about snake's granades because Ike does the same too.
Zarago I agree with you man, that’s the point of the comment
Snake is gonna go down in usage as soon as people learn the matchup
Manfreski ike is good
Everyone says that about every top character lol
@@Zoronii "learns" the match up, still gets their ass beat
10:50 ouch... that wasn't even 10 seconds.
Ike is the new bayo for smash ultimate mark my words players are gonna riot soon.
Damn, we mention this on the podcast earlier. Check it out! I'm sure you will love it!
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when leffen says snake sucks
"he just got REALLLLLLLLY lucky"
Leo is still Ally's demon even in Ultimate
5:47 Hi Phil Swift here with flex seal.
Dude. Wow. If Leo isnt lying and ike really isnt his best then good lord these dudes are in trouble
Big lie lol
@@Sean-fz8if this didnt age well lol
its so fun to watch MkLeo playing with Ike...
JAJAJAJ en la última stock leo c mamo
fue el mejor final que le pudo dar al duelo xD
Está bien la meta es ganar pero esa forma de jugar de los snake es una mierda 100 % a base de soltar granadas
Es cierto que se puede hacer frustrante jugar contra Snake por las granadas.
Pero ese es su estilo de juego, así es cómo verdaderamente se juega Snake, y es su manera de ser más efectivo.
Simplemente hay que adaptarse.
Ni de lejos puede Ally, MKLeo es el mejor bitches!
7:27 Terrible punish
I main Ike 2 days ago and he's Nair-mazing.
And this is why I main Ike, combo game strong
It kind of pisses me off that Ally played so well this whole set yet mkleo can kill at anything above 50% with an easy air dodge read
So satisfying
Oh yeah yeah
Why is this community obsessed with "broken" "op" and things like that?
Inkiling, K Rool, Belmont, Chrom, Ike, Peach, Wolf have all been called broken and the game is only 1 month old.
At this pace in 1 year all the cast will be called broken.
I mean most of the characters you listed are very strong in the early meta of the game (not including King k rool he's overrated), I'm an olimar main so idk most mu's seem fair to me atm, some characters need some tweaks like robin but nothing is crazy
@@reisondominguez9919 yeah that's the point, the game is balanced and need minor changes, no character is truly broken
I think that ike is not broken
@@rospoho never said I disagree just saying there is some justification to the claims but none are permanent and half the time it's just mu based or easiness
@@officialpslleague2954 I mean, what does "broken" mean to you? Wolf has comparable tournament placings to Inkling, and Chrom's placings are like two times better than Ike's lol. Don't get me wrong I agree with you on most accounts.
snake sucks - Leffen IMO Snake is good because every character is fairly good, but snake is probably mid tier because you always take damage to get in
so Snake does suck, kinda
10:47 Wtf
レオのアイク強すぎだろ
Is it just me, or is watching people play pro sooo fucking boring. They literally use a very small amount of their B moves so you dont actually get to see how good they are with the actual character..
they just spam A while hopping around and blocking..meaning that you can literally be just as good with Pikachu as with Ike if thats all theyre doing..
two of the best in america's neighbor countries.
all these blind grenades, which waste of time and efficacy > IMHO
The only person who could do this to ally
Its official he is immortal
incoming ikes nair nerf and up swing
Dat last stock tho
Mkleo makes looks easy play against Ally
But snake suuuuuuucks
Nair is top tier, Snake is low tier
Nathaniel 24 someone doesn’t know how snake works
@@gamingtime3709 I'm simply joking, there's nothing else to it.
ALLY IS BACK
Ike is insane dude
7.5 too much granadas
GRATIS
Ally needs to go back to Mario
Ally played way better, but nair the character won because all he needs is 2 grabs and you're out baby
Gabriel Silvério playing snake is hard, you skillfully stack the odds in your favor and gain a massive lead, only for it to crumble by some cheap tactic or hard hitting move
Ike deserves to have a good grab because his Nair is susceptible to parries and grab is a way for ike to counter parry attempts. Getting 2 grabs doesnt mean ike wins lol, ike's throws dont kill and dont lead into anything true at kill percents. I can understand why people are getting frustrated about ike but I would argue that he is one of the most well balanced characters in the game, ike's defense and disadvantage state are both mediocre so its brilliant that he has a strong offensive to keep him competitive.
My nigga ally😢
That last move was dirty...
Ike wins on suicide spike. Good to know he has that with his insane stats
Seeker296 insane stats? 😂 try playing Ike and then tell me that’s the case
Ike
The NAFTA match.
What's up with the nair thing in the comments
Leo/Ike used a lot of nairs here, it's his main combo starter. So I guess people are making fun of it for some reason.
Cloud Bucket I dunno what you're talking about, there's tons of people that constantly complain about Snake's "spamming" grenades in the youtube comments. That might not be the case here, but it's definitely something that happens a lot on other videos.
A lot of Ikes playstyle revolves around getting nair and comboing out of them. The reason its busted is that it does loke 15% and has the range of a mid sized explosion, and then comboes to kill moves
I don't think anyone really answered your question. nair stands for neutral air which is when you hit A in the air without pointing your left stick any direction. ike uses that move a lot in this video hence the jokes the comments
@@yunjizzle yeah i know but i can´t see the animation differences xD
That last stock was actually disrespectful
Puro pinche mexican style alv compa
Watching Ike gameplay is so one demintional.
In Smash there is only objective, to win. You cant tell someone to stop being one dimensional if they whoop your ass with Ike. And yeah you spelled dimensional wrong.
I think thats a big part of how this game is as a whole. If you wanna see really creative, cool, crazy combos, go watch some melee.
Just saying watching 50 nairs is boring. Not saying he's wrong for doing it.
Also I believe you mean "there is only 'one' objective"
The the comma after combos isn't grammatically correct either.
Doesn't matter if it's Chrom or Ike, that suicide tactic is the most dangerous thing in this game. I'm torn between thinking it should be nerfed or not, because that is as ridiculous as it looks.
It looks even more situational and risky than ganoncide so i wouldnt nerf it, if anything ikes upair killpower is the one that needs a nerf
@@lmamezcuac Maybe, but there's just something not right with killing someone at 0% with just one or two moves.
Ike isn't even top 15 in the game
@@trashcant4678 He's looks like a solid contender for top 15 to me. Leo has demonstrated fairly decently how he can dominate you with just one or two mistakes.
@@trashcant4678 Stupid. Ike is top 5