Stop Lightroom from messing up your timelapses - LRTimelapse Expert Tips #5
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ย. 2024
- Some popular tools in the Lightrooms Basic Panel (Shadows, Highlights, Contrast, Clarity, Dehaze etc.) act in a non-linear, context sensitive way and can introduce severe contrast flicker, color shifts and other artifacts to timelapses which are impossible to remove, even by LRTimelapses powerful Visual Deflicker.
The probability for this to happen is the higher the less smooth your original sequence is.
In this video we'll analyze why this happens, which Lightroom tools are fine to use, which should be used with care and which should be avoided at all with such sequences.
As always: the better your source images are, the less you would suffer from such problems.
But these tips will help you to better understand how Lightroom works and edit even difficult sequences perfectly.
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Where have you been all my timelapse life. Thank you so much!
Wow, this was the most useful video so far, I’ve been using Lightroom barely to edit a flat image till now and adding all the heavy editing on the final prores file in premiere, only ever used WB, exposure, highlights and shadows to -50/+50 and sharpness and always stayed far away from saturation and dehaze, so cool that with camera profiles I can now use it. Also great way you showed how to investigate by turning off columns which one is the flicker criminal😜Thanks a million for this
I'm recently retired after many years in IT. Your IT troubleshooting skills really come through in this video. The test and isolate actions are perfect and clarify how LR adjustments impact the final timelapse video.
I learned more about LR in this one video than I did in years of just using it! Thank you for giving me new tricks to try and fix those troublesome sequences.
This has always bugged the hell out of me. Spend time editing a photo then sync the edits only to see massive changes between images despite being shot at the exact same settings. I already had my profile set to camera neutral but this really sheds light on why I was encountering these problems.
Thanks a lot!
I use LRTimelapse for years now... somehow, with the changing tools on Lightroom and all, I got sloppy in my editing and I was now wondering about my flickering! Good thing you made this tutorial and good thing I rewatched it now 😂
I wish to know about this before! Usually, i cut the frame off. Great tip! Thanks!
You are a genius Gunther! Thanks for making LRTimelapse. :)
Thank you. That gave me a better understanding of Lightroom and LRTimelapse. Learnt a lot from that video.
OMG, Dankeschön! Dankeschön! Dankeschön! I've run into the contrast blips far too often and have been puzzled as to where this insane anomaly was originating. I'm so glad you found the base cause!
Wow, this so great to learn. I've always been taught to not use whites & blacks, but shadows & highlights were harmless
A lot of work went into this video. Many thanks for your work which has produced some very helpful tips.
I'm new to LTTimelapse but not timelapse photography. I also have a ton of timelapse sequences that I could not use because of flicker. This video has likely saved me many hours of additional work/research.
Excellent instruction! Thanks for creating LRT! 😀
Great video Gunther! I also use some plug-ins in post that remove contrast flicker
These series of Lrtimelapse Lightroom tips and tricks is amazing!! If you ever decided to make a masterclass I would 100% be the first one to sign up!
Well that was fascinating! I've had some similar issues, but nothing as bad as the examples here. I never thought about switching to the camera profiles. Thanks man!
Fabulous video! I wish I had watched it sooner. Thanks
Even though I didn't adjust anything, I was getting mysterious flicker. The cause of the problem was the Adobe profile. This video was very helpful. thank you!
Thank you so much!!! Very helpful, I was struggling with this issue. Great job and the best software for timelapse! Thank you very much for your hard work!!!!
That´s exactly what I needed! Thank you very much!
thank you! I one had this annoying problem and with some help from facebook groups I could determine that it was the dehaze slider. No, I want to try and re-edit those files and se if I can make it watchable again. Great work and very helpful
The timing on this is great. I just wrapped up a huge project with the aurora borealis and I had to fight Lightroom on the timelapses for hours. Excited to go back and fix them now.
Hallo Gunther, vielen dank für die Auflösung des Problems (der Probleme), war schon fast am verzweifeln woran das liegt!
Ich wünsche noch schöne Feiertage und ein gutes neues Jahr!
Finally I got my Timelapse of Comet Neowise fixed. I had this insane flicker effect that caused me headaches since August. I already gave up, cause I did not manage to get rid of it. Thanks so much Gunter, that's what I was looking for.
Superb tutorial. Kudos!
This is the most useful video I’ve watched in a while. I’ve used LRTimelapse for years, and Lightroom Classic since 1.0, but this video taught me so many new things about both applications. The timing is good too; because of the recent upgrades to color space and other things in LRTimelapse I am going to revisit older timelapse sequences to see if I can improve them, and this info is essential to know before doing that work. Thank you so much for sharing your experience and knowledge.
I have been attempting Timelapses for years now and I finally caved an bought this after watching your videos numerous times. Im so glad i did. You are super helpful and with your forum I was able to get it up and running. During a lockdown here in Ontario it has been a great hobby learning a new program! Thank you
Wow, glad i clicked this. i was scrolling through my time lapse and found the contrast in some images. redoing it now
Really very, very interesting and helpful
Great video. This was so helpful. I really appreciate this.
It's Very helpful for me. Sometimes i didn't know, 'why color is different? Why changed something..' so on. I understood the reason. Thank you!
This is soooooo good! Thank you Gunter!
Damn !!! this was huge !! and I didn't know we could isolate each parameter to find the ones that messes up the sequence. and the camera profiles with dehaze is awesome too !! I've had the kind of issue more often than I would like to and it took me hours to fix it. I'm really excited to test it out now. Thanx a lot for your amazing work Gunther !!
Really helpful and interesting!
Always learn new things in this series! I've encountered the same color cast problem, I just avoid using dehaze, but don't know anything about color profile choice
Just what I was looking for, thank you
Advanced stuff, excellent tutorial!
You explain things at the perfect pace, with everything made totally clear.
Great video man. Watched the whole video 😎👍
Das ist ja ein Hammer, Gunther!
This is very helpful and in-depth tips! Your tips save a lot of beginners.
Fascinating insights, Gunther! Thanks for sharing
Thank you so much for the detailed analysis, this is exactly the problem I've been trying to solve after four processing attempts.
Very useful. Thank you very much.
Really great video with such a detailed but easy to understand technique to prevent flicker with LR tools. Keep up with the great work. Love your products - hardware and software!!
EXCELLENT tip. I've seen some odd results that I now will go back to and correct. I've always hated the contrast slider and preferred using tone curves to adjust contrast. Now I have yet one more reason to do so. Thanks for this thorough tip!
Wow!!! Thanks a million. I've been fighting a lot of those problems for dozens of timelapses... in a few cases I just exported it pretty blah and edited in Premiere. Traffic, slight changes in light were making it impossible to have anything usable. I may go back and re-visit some of the hard ones! THANK YOU!
Thanks a lot for your amazing work !
Thanks for expert tip series. I really enjoy it. It's Very helpful. This EP I really like that you show how to investigate which control cause contrast flicker.
So useful!! I'm feeling inspired to revisit sequences I struggled with. Congrats on the new channel :)
great video thanks for taking the time to do these :)
I just recently noticed this with my stop motions when I’m editing in Lightroom. But it didn’t used to happen.
So I’m not really sure why it’s been impacting my photos a lot but I’m going to go try your tips now.
Great tutorial! I've been using LR/LRT for many years, but there's definitely a lot of new and very useful stuff in here!
Definitely helpful. Thanks a lot.
Sensational information. Will definitely incorporate into my editing. Congrats.
Very good tips....thank you.
Thank you. Clears up a lot of questions. Could you please repeat camera profile test on several different cameras? Thanks.
Sorry, I don't have so many cameras available. But I guess, after watching the video, you should be able to do those tests with your cameras on your own.
Just excellent !!!
You are the best!! Thanks!
Tons of thx for the very important tips! No need to dig in the forum again to find the answer after seeing this episode!😅
Another perfect and great explanation Gunther. Thanks a lot for sharing your expertise with us, I wonder what the Adobe people are thinking about the non linear behavior in the LR basic panel.
It's possible Adobe Premiere Lumetri also does this 'context sensitive' editing in the Basic Color slider section. It makes that Basic Panel unusable. Curves seem like the only 'reliable' way to adjust perimeters.
Very useful these tutorials, I like them¡👍
I think that when we use the profile of our camera in neutral, we get more detail and textures without increasing the noise. In fact, it seems to me that in the film recordings for the cinema, they record in a neutral camera profile.
This only aplies to Video or JPG recording, but not for Raw as you should use it for timelapse.
Hey Gunther! I face color shifts between photos often while editing sunset timelapses. I have noticed that sometimes if there is a gradual pink to blue transition of sunset, the sequence automatically boosts pinks a lot between two keyframes and immediately shifts to blue between two frames. The keyframes themselves are perfect but the color transition between them isnt. What am I doing wrong? I have removed all effects on the basic tab except temperature, tint and exposure. Camera Neutral profile set as well. Still getting jumps in color. Can you help?
If you followed all advises from this video, the only remaining factor I would think of is that the camera itself delivers those deviations.
This is amazing, thank you so much!!
Gunter the best !
This is very interesting would be good to have a PDF file showing what settings are safe and what are not as a quick reference while we edit our Time lapses
I'm new to LRTimelapse but loving it so far. Editing astro timelapses mostly and often getting a lot of colour cast/brightness flickering, so I'm going to use these tips to try and fix that. One question I still have- do the findings here also apply to masks? As in, non-linear edits applied to masks will cause these same issues in the masked areas?
Yes, unfortunately this also applies to masks.
so disappointed that Adobe has never offered an option to enable only linear transforms. It's almost like they don't even want to acknowledge that there are users who shoot sequences and we have no use for non-linearity.
thanks
Interesting. Do these non-linear adjustments still act in a non-linear way when used with local adjustments (graduated & radial filters) ?
Yes, they do.
Thank you very much for your software, I have another problem.
“Curve” - ‘Point Curve’, the tone curve can be read, but can not smooth the transition, can only be set to all the same or all or nothing.
“Point curves can only be applied statically. ” 2023-10-03, 11:24 ，has this problem been solved?
@@SKSamotarthis is no problem that can or will be solved, it's a technical restriction. If you want to animate tone curves, just use the parametric tone curve.
Gunther, can you do a video on best way to set WB during day to night ramping. I usually have about 15-20 keyframes shooting in RAW but deciding the color during the transition is a little tough. I try and shoot for 3000k at total darkness. I would love to see your process!!!
Sorry, but there is no "best" way and no numbers to memorize. You'd need to edit the colors as you percieved them. That's an artisitc process with no real true or false. Just make sure to get a nice transition in the colors. You might want to check out my Holy Grail Tutorial for example, where I do such an editing: lrtimelapse.com/tutorial/
Hello! I hope I am not asking too much but being able to directly export a video in LRTimelapse with the lightroom metadata (avoiding the middle step of having to export in LR to dng or jpg) would be fantastic!
Another option would be to be able to send preview some parts of the timelapse (when you do long timelapses it would be convenient to have that option).
If those options already exist! grateful to know!
Thank you!
I usually use After Effects to render the RAW sequence directly
Lightroom is the Raw converter, that's why it's necessary to export the sequences via Lightroom.
I'm not sure if I understand the second question - if you want to render only a part of the sequence, you could select that part in Lightroom and only export and render those images. For further questions I'd recommend my forum: forum.lrtimelapse.com/
@@LRTimelapseOfficial Excuse my bad English. I was referring to whether you can preview a part of the timelapse (between keyframes for example). In my case, I have a timelapse of 3500 frames and I had problems with flicker, therefore, advancing with the preview in specific areas of the timelapse would be of great help.
@@Jcenas3D You can place the playhead wherever you want to play from and then hold Shift while clicking on play. You can also select a range of images (by dragging the slider and holding ctrl). If you play back with a range selected, it will loop the playback for that range.
Do other editors work on the same non linear fashion? I know the integration with other editors must be allowed by an integrable interface properly documented and so forth, so maybe this could drive you to develop against some other editors. Great video. We want to know all about it
Other editors like Luminar are even worse in this area. Also the don't offer the required interfaces. WIth this knowledge Lightroom is a perfect solution for editing. :-)
Hab zwar nur die Hälfte verstanden (mein englisch ist nicht so gut), aber zumindest kann ich erahnen wo ich bei den gezeigten Problemen ansetzen muss.
So are you saying to use Camera profile instead of Adobe every time using LRTimelapse? Thanks
Personally I always use the camera profiles, because I like their look more than that from the Adobe Profile, but this might differ from camera to camera. But as you saw, the Adobe Profile are not really consitent and therefore they might want to avoid them when working on timelapses anyway.
my mind will break down, after "save" back to LR ,read xmp files,the keyframe photo still very different to next photo. I tried to control variable,disable tools once a time,but the brightness is still huge different. why... camera profile is not the problem.
I'm not sure if this is related to the issue I'm covering in this video. Please come to the forum for support forum.lrtimelapse.com/
Very interesting. Have you ever encountered a situation that you have color shift straight from the camera? I use nikon d750 and I have two shots made during blue hour (on manual, same settings), 4 seconds apart and there is a shift between them. I opened RAWs in lightroom, reseted everything and just added exposure (they were a bit dark straight from the camera) and they simply are not "the same"....:-/ there is also a shift in brightness. did something distract metering? I don´t know, there is no visible "new" bright spot between them...also...can be slight color shift caused by different metering? ... very very mysterious :(
It's possible, but hard to judge, if you use Lightroom because Lightroom will always be part of the development. Also, you'd normally not use "metering" when shooting night sequences, when you shoot in M. Of course, if you shot with metering, it's totally normal to have different exposures on adjacent imges -> flicker. This can perfectly be removed by LRTimelapse and is not the topic here.
To see if your Raw files have color shifts coming from the sensor, you could analyze them with www.rawdigger.com/
@@LRTimelapseOfficial thank you very much. metering - of course, I am so pissed about the shift that I did not realize that it is not the case here.
I will check the rawdigger - thank you very much for the tip :)
Very interesting, problem only: I do not have the option “camera standard” in Lightroom 😳. How comes? Using Canon Cameras.
Are you working with Raw files? You should. For JPG you don't get that option.
@@LRTimelapseOfficial yes of course RAW. Option still not there. 🤷🏼♂️
@@HolgerKleineTravel It depends on what camera you have, if Adobe provides individual profiles for that camera. For the most popular cameras from Nikon, Canon, Sony and many others you get special camera profiles.
So wait, I just watched a 20 minute video telling me that I can't really use the full extent of my RAW files because touching highlights and shadows will ruin the time-lapse and there is no real workaround? Well that really sucks, curves don't pull nearly as much information back as the standard highlight slider. Is there no better work around?
I made this video because I think that it's important that you know your tools. Scrolling though the comments, I have the impression that many viewers found it really useful too.
As I said in 98% of all timelapse you most likely would be restricted in the tools that you use in Lightroom, especially if you shot the timelapse in a technical correct way. In some cases however you'd notice Lightroom introducing some weird effects and then it's really important to know how to deal with them.
At the end: we cannot change how Lightroom works. We can only try to understand it and know how to deal with it in situations where it stands in our way.
The first approach should always be to avoid harsh contrast changes when shooting timelapse (they will mostly look weird anyway) - work with long exposure times, expose correctly, choose your intervals short enough etc. This will reduce the cases where you get any nasty effects from Lightroom to a minimum.
If you get them, then now you know which sliders you might use a bit less when editing.
@@LRTimelapseOfficial Oh, don't get me wrong, it is really useful as it pin pointed the exact issue many, including myself are facing. It meant it sucks in that it's a shame that there isn't a way to overcome lightroom's issue and use the full extent of the camera RAW file. :(
Obviously that's out of your control though :D
Can you please tell me how my timelapses all of a sudden have black flickering? I changed computers and downloaded Lightroom CC and now in every time-lapse I have black frames put in. I have paused on the timelapse and found this frames. So annoying, as I made a time-lapse without changing any settings on my photos and still the dreaded black flashes happen
If you switch to Lightroom 11 you need to take care to do the transition to the new masks as explained in this video: th-cam.com/video/i3yuWtph88c/w-d-xo.html
If that doesn't help try to do a fresh start on that sequence by removing it from Lightroom and doing "Metadata / Initialize" in LRT.
Generally please come to my forum for further support: forum.lrtimelapse.com/
@@LRTimelapseOfficial I really don't know what I am doing that much with the fine lines of LRT. I have just spent a hell of a lot of time and money getting some awesome star footage and now every Timelapse is the same and I can't find any examples of it. Literally it flashes with black, I took all my photos on manual and have made so many Timelapse's before and now on two computer the same thing is happening with LRT CC.
@@bennuballbags2 I already gave you two tips what to do. Without more information I can't help you. You'd need to try a fresh edit and if the problems persist, open a thread in the forum, upload screenshots, a detailed description etc. in the forum so that I can help you. This is not the place for support for obvious reasons.
@@LRTimelapseOfficial Cheers, its just weird how ive made hundreds of timelapses on LRT cc and now its doing this. I rang Adobe and they said for me to update my Mac to Monterey and try again, and its doing the same thing after the update. I thought you might have heard of some glitch in the program .
@@bennuballbags2 No one else reported this. I can analyze it for you, but you need to come to the forum or even send me an email and provide the details that I've asked for. Send me one of those videos via a file transfer service like wetransfer to support(at)lrtimelapse.com so that I can see what you are talking about. I'm closing this here now.
what if i apply clarity as a last step before export?
The order in which you apply the edits in Lightroom doesn't matter.
@@LRTimelapseOfficial i mean after deflickering, putting clarity on top .
@@tazztone as I said, it won't work because all edits are losslessly applied at the same time.
of course you were right. the concept is a bit hard to understand at first. thanks for clarifying (pun intended ;)
Just a suggestion: simply delete the frame showing the color cast or the weird contrast...and replace it by the previous (or the next) correct frame duplicated... I dont believe any should see the trick :)
For Milkyway Seqences for example you definitely see when a frame is missing. Also this was only a quite drastic example. You get similar effects for other sequences also (like the first one showed) were you can't just remove images.