Cool, I thought I'd have to polish that a lot more before DT wouldn't hate it. I didn't start the project but I made it my baby for a while and I'm really pleased to see it getting attention here even if I thought it wasn't ready yet. I ended up finding that kwin needs some changes in order for Bismuth to support multimonitors and virtual desktops the way everyone wants, so I changed my focus to kwin for now. Meanwhile one or two others are looking at porting the typescript over to c++ which will probably help with future upstreaming into kwin. Also there's been some work on a gui applet so that non-tiling users can discover some tiling features too, a bit like the tiling gui in popos. That was the development news as of a few months ago but I know there's been activity since then.
It looks very nice. I currently use dwm but this looks like a good alternative. I just had to make sure its easy to add custom layouts (which I need for my 4k and soon 8k monitor) and it looks pretty easy to do. Do you know if this works on a read-only root filesystem such as steamdeck? Since steamdeck already comes with kde having this available would be cool.
Not to mention that it is a setup that a beginner to understand without a full wiki worth of documentation. Not that, that's a bad thing, because I use Awesome myself, but it makes it easier to recommend to someone wanting to test a tiler.
this is exactly how good it is, in something like i3 or sway, a beginner can't even enable wifi and connect to a network, having a tiling window manager in an already fully fleshed out DE is the best thing in both worlds.
I've hopped through almost every TWM and have custom configs for hlwm, bspwm, awesome, ratpoison, evilwm, and i3wm. I've been using Plasma with Bismuth the last year because of all that good KDE functionality, glad you appreciate it as well! Edit: Bismuth works perfectly with the panel anchored on the left side, which is not common among twms!
I've been using bismuth for a few weeks now and I'm in love with it. I really wanted to try a tiling window manager, but I love all features KDE Plasma gives me so I didn't want to stop using it and decided to look for an alternative. I had tried Krohnkite at first, but I found out it was discontinued, then I discovered bismuth and it simply solved this matter for me. It's a great tool.
I moved from awesomewm to KDE a year ago, thanks to bismuth. I now get proper blur, saved notifications, a fully functioning kdeconnect, all easy configurable.
Great video. Manjaro + KDE + Bismuth fits my workflow like a glove. I cannot wait for the detailed video with all the configuration, customization, tinkering, and adding stuff like active window border, moving windows between monitros, deep configuration of bismuth, and so on.
as a windows user for over 20 years kde plasma has been wonderful for me this year in my transition, it really let me live all my desktop customization dreams lol, i know arch users can do more, but for me i have had so much fun just customizing and tinkering in the gui lol but i have world of warcraft style messed with a lotta keybinds
been recently looking into using something like a tiling manager, tried awesome for all but an hour and found out that a lot of things need to be build and that's not my idea of getting things done. Bismuth and KDE seems a good solution to have the best of both worlds
I tried tiling window managers, but it didn't work with my workflow. As a software engineer, I only focus on one window at a time, because otherwise they'll easily distract me. So I have one window per workspace in my workflow. And if a window is small window, I'm going to center it always. So I use Rectangle with KDE. You can easily stack windows to side if you need. And whenever I need a terminal, I always have Yakuake open which gives me a drop down terminal, quake style. I use TMUX inside it though, so that itself works well for me.
Been using Bismuth for the past year on an ultra-wide 5120x1440 screen and the three-column layout is a godsend. My only regret is that I set it up on Manjaro lol. It's a really nice window manager and does exactly what I need it to do without over-complicating things for the user.
good to see that bismuth removes window chrome. That's my only issue with the current tiling plugin I'm using on Gnome. I'm not going to use Plasma again any time soon but it's good to see KDE making this an out of the box option.
I believe on gtk3 gnome apps its forced to be on regardless of WM. I use i3 and the fact gnome apps keep their window controls are very annoying stylistically and space wise so I installed gtk3-nocsd to disable them its a bit hacky but it works well.
This is exciting, looking forward to trying this soon. Thanks for showing us! Edit: I had to use dnf Dragora [YaY fedora world problems @_@] to install Bismuth but now that I have, I'm going to have a lot of fun with this! I've been testing live distros with TWM and I get so lost because I can't figure out how to change keybinds of anything I Want to use on the regular so while I use live-usb I can't properly test. This may be the best for my current situation until I feel confident enough to dive into full TWM. While Pop!_OS has a Tiling layout which I had a lot of fun and the keybinds were sensible for me, I am not ready to switch distros yet. Thanks again for shining a light to kde-bismuth!
Most I've "tiled" thus far is to setup shortcuts to push windows to quadrants or multiples of quadrants of the screen. I don't think I care too much for stuff working automatically. However, it's cool that such functionality is there for people that want it, especially in KDE.
This may sound like a dumb question: What's there to do for hours in a text editor? Is it for work? Also, tiling WMs look cool, but that would require me to look at the keyboard a lot more often. I'm guessing some people can hit a lot of those non-alphabet keys without looking at them.
You use text editors for general note-taking, writing diary entries, editing configuration files, programming, ASCII art. Emacs is different though because it's more than a text editor, you can run full text-based applications in Emacs (e.g. music player, terminal emulator, file browser, etc.)
@@Amos_Huclkeberry Kate is a great choice. For fun you can give Vim and Emacs a try to experience more radical ways of editing text. (to start, just google how to access their built-in tutorials).
About looking at the keyboard. In my opinion one gets used rather quickly to where the keys you need are placed on the keyboard. At some point I am able to memorize and don't always need to look 😊.
I'm glad that Gnome and KDE are embracing tiling options. This is awesome. For desktops for my family this might make a lot of sense. They'll use them normally and they can slowly try out the tiling functions.
Hey DT, for plasma tilling ive heard one of the devs is implementing tilling native in kwin or something. Btw i use lxqt+i3 or xfce+i3+ vala global menu when im able to install it
Hey dt, please tell me if there is any ways to get kde widgets (media frame) and activities feature in any other desktop environment namely gnome and xfce
I find Tiling window managers lacking in basic support in things like Volume control or notification centers. You have to set it up yourself and end up feeling you're re-inventing the wheel. I'm an ex-awesomeWM, it has notification, but not a notification panel-center. To put it in other words.. Tiling window mangers are not desktop environments, so you have to struggle setting up stuff you would normally get in a desktop environment and are things you NEED. With Bismuth you can do it the other way around, which is MUCH more faster and friendly and less of a headache, and with much more support from the community because it's mainstream, and plasma is incredibly configurable. The only thing I miss from Bismuth (it's in the works, so they say) is a widget that can for example show on the bar what layout is being used, or can shortcut to other "tiling" functionalities.
I tried to rice both i3 and sway, but always ran into errors with my configs. I slapped bismuth into Kde with a custom theme and shortcuts and I got my daily driver. So yeah.
You should actually be using Kronkhite which is a fork of it with multiple fixes and improvements, Also Kronkhite is possibly going to support setting default window layouts per virtual desktop which would be an extremely useful update if you use something like Carla in the background for audio routing.
I really tried to make bismuth work but unfortunately it created a lot of issues for me using multiple monitors. I even found a list of tweaks you should do after installing it to work with multiple monitors which helped a bit but it still has a lot of issues. Maybe I'll try like a "real" twm in future, but I really like all the features kde plasma has to offer
I use Bismuth too but it always problematic with system settings window and sometimes breaks when maximize any windows. Then have to re-enable it to work properly.
apart from windows still overlap, it looks good and fast enough for a full fledged desktop environment. but windows overlapping is an issue for me, it looks ugly. but it's nice to for them to develop into something usable.
That overlap was because System Settings has a rather large minimum width definee in its Window Properties. This doesn't happen with other windows and is easily fixable bh setting Minimum Width to Force Zero in a Window Rule
What's "super shift"? I only know the left and right shift key. Ahh, and with "see" you mean "z" and not "c"? Am I right? I hate it, that american people pronounce "z" and "c" the same. Why do you people that? Why not "zed" and "see"?
Tbh I like GNOME since versione 40, but I always use Pop Shell. Bismuth seems a lot more flexible but not enough to convince me to switch to Plasma out of the blue. As a triple monitor user I actually wish Pop Shell had a built-in functionality for moving windows to specific workspaces in specific monitors, but the next COSMIC written in Rust will have that, so I'm curious to try it out soon. For now Pop shell is a good enough option that lets me use GNOME
It is my personal opinion obviously, but using more than two keys to do anything that is not a special and rare thing on a computer is dumb. I close windows with super+q, or maybe super+c Even DOS was smart enough to use ctrl+c or q to close an application. I don't think people should get arthritis to use a komputer efficiently.
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Cool, I thought I'd have to polish that a lot more before DT wouldn't hate it. I didn't start the project but I made it my baby for a while and I'm really pleased to see it getting attention here even if I thought it wasn't ready yet.
I ended up finding that kwin needs some changes in order for Bismuth to support multimonitors and virtual desktops the way everyone wants, so I changed my focus to kwin for now. Meanwhile one or two others are looking at porting the typescript over to c++ which will probably help with future upstreaming into kwin. Also there's been some work on a gui applet so that non-tiling users can discover some tiling features too, a bit like the tiling gui in popos.
That was the development news as of a few months ago but I know there's been activity since then.
Dude, thank you! It's amazing, thank you very much!
It looks very nice. I currently use dwm but this looks like a good alternative. I just had to make sure its easy to add custom layouts (which I need for my 4k and soon 8k monitor) and it looks pretty easy to do. Do you know if this works on a read-only root filesystem such as steamdeck? Since steamdeck already comes with kde having this available would be cool.
Thanks for your work! I've been enjoying using bismuth for a few months now, and i love it!
thanks a lot @quantumtacos
@@notuxnobux wtf do you have an 8k monitor for???
Looks like a great introduction to twm with everything being set up for the user already, I like it.
Not to mention that it is a setup that a beginner to understand without a full wiki worth of documentation. Not that, that's a bad thing, because I use Awesome myself, but it makes it easier to recommend to someone wanting to test a tiler.
@@BlindRambler Yeah, exactly. Plus all the software that a full DE brings to the table. The less choice when being a beginner the better in my opinion
this is exactly how good it is, in something like i3 or sway, a beginner can't even enable wifi and connect to a network, having a tiling window manager in an already fully fleshed out DE is the best thing in both worlds.
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You can highlight the focused windows by selecting bismuth in window decoration (under appearance settings)
I've hopped through almost every TWM and have custom configs for hlwm, bspwm, awesome, ratpoison, evilwm, and i3wm. I've been using Plasma with Bismuth the last year because of all that good KDE functionality, glad you appreciate it as well! Edit: Bismuth works perfectly with the panel anchored on the left side, which is not common among twms!
I've been using bismuth for a few weeks now and I'm in love with it. I really wanted to try a tiling window manager, but I love all features KDE Plasma gives me so I didn't want to stop using it and decided to look for an alternative. I had tried Krohnkite at first, but I found out it was discontinued, then I discovered bismuth and it simply solved this matter for me. It's a great tool.
I moved from awesomewm to KDE a year ago, thanks to bismuth. I now get proper blur, saved notifications, a fully functioning kdeconnect, all easy configurable.
what is funny is last night I was wondering if KDE had tiling support. you just answered my question!
That's what I really wanted!! And I've installed it! Thank you very much!!!
Great video. Manjaro + KDE + Bismuth fits my workflow like a glove. I cannot wait for the detailed video with all the configuration, customization, tinkering, and adding stuff like active window border, moving windows between monitros, deep configuration of bismuth, and so on.
Seems strange to me that some people still use Manjaro.
@@folksurvival I haven't had the time to such to Arco, yet.
@@litLizard_ I will consider them, as well. Thank you for the suggestion.
@Ātmārām , because of some recent controversial decisions, expired certificates, etc.
as a windows user for over 20 years kde plasma has been wonderful for me this year in my transition, it really let me live all my desktop customization dreams lol, i know arch users can do more, but for me i have had so much fun just customizing and tinkering in the gui lol but i have world of warcraft style messed with a lotta keybinds
been recently looking into using something like a tiling manager, tried awesome for all but an hour and found out that a lot of things need to be build and that's not my idea of getting things done.
Bismuth and KDE seems a good solution to have the best of both worlds
I tried tiling window managers, but it didn't work with my workflow. As a software engineer, I only focus on one window at a time, because otherwise they'll easily distract me. So I have one window per workspace in my workflow. And if a window is small window, I'm going to center it always. So I use Rectangle with KDE. You can easily stack windows to side if you need.
And whenever I need a terminal, I always have Yakuake open which gives me a drop down terminal, quake style. I use TMUX inside it though, so that itself works well for me.
Oh, as a historic XFCE girl this excites.
Been using Bismuth for the past year on an ultra-wide 5120x1440 screen and the three-column layout is a godsend. My only regret is that I set it up on Manjaro lol. It's a really nice window manager and does exactly what I need it to do without over-complicating things for the user.
Hey DT, for a noob in tiling window, do you recommend using bismuth? Any risk of developing "bad habits" this way ?
oh man i thought i was watching bob ross for a second
Hah,that music just screams "a happy little tiler" -- plus he has the hair for it! lol
Ok so I wasn't the only one lol
good to see that bismuth removes window chrome. That's my only issue with the current tiling plugin I'm using on Gnome. I'm not going to use Plasma again any time soon but it's good to see KDE making this an out of the box option.
I believe on gtk3 gnome apps its forced to be on regardless of WM. I use i3 and the fact gnome apps keep their window controls are very annoying stylistically and space wise so I installed gtk3-nocsd to disable them its a bit hacky but it works well.
The thumbnail is like "where is Scatman? I am Scatman!"
This is exciting, looking forward to trying this soon. Thanks for showing us!
Edit: I had to use dnf Dragora [YaY fedora world problems @_@] to install Bismuth but now that I have, I'm going to have a lot of fun with this!
I've been testing live distros with TWM and I get so lost because I can't figure out how to change keybinds of anything I Want to use on the regular so while I use live-usb I can't properly test. This may be the best for my current situation until I feel confident enough to dive into full TWM. While Pop!_OS has a Tiling layout which I had a lot of fun and the keybinds were sensible for me, I am not ready to switch distros yet. Thanks again for shining a light to kde-bismuth!
I've settled after a lot distrohoping with pop!os. I like cosmic DE and can't wait for full DE completely separated from gnome.
Alt+F4 is the old IBM Common User Access standard from since the days of Windows 3.1, CDE and OS/2.
And before the pc's era , alt+F4 was used on the mainframe for closing windows/applications .
@@PerfMonk oh!
Most I've "tiled" thus far is to setup shortcuts to push windows to quadrants or multiples of quadrants of the screen. I don't think I care too much for stuff working automatically. However, it's cool that such functionality is there for people that want it, especially in KDE.
I do some simple tiling in my plasma. Perhaps I'll give bismuth a try.
Bismuth + disabling kwin + enabling picom (with animations) = the way to go.
Apt couldn't find kde-bismuth but kwin-bismuth worked just fine!
Perhaps KDE Bismuth will be it's own distro.
Only thing I want is the ability to dynamically resize all the other windows when a particular window is resized. Is that possible in Bismuth?
People coming from windows should know that alt f4 closes windows in windows.
My Bismuth brings all the boys to the yard...
Thanks DT. How do you remember all your shortcuts???? I noticed the system settings window didn't tile in the video. How do you make it tile?
I love Bismuth. It's a nice feature to have in a full DE, but I wish it could stack windows similar to i3 where you can tab across windows in a stack.
This may sound like a dumb question: What's there to do for hours in a text editor? Is it for work? Also, tiling WMs look cool, but that would require me to look at the keyboard a lot more often. I'm guessing some people can hit a lot of those non-alphabet keys without looking at them.
Yep, what make tiling windows manager faster is not need to look at the keyboard, but it's my experince
You use text editors for general note-taking, writing diary entries, editing configuration files, programming, ASCII art. Emacs is different though because it's more than a text editor, you can run full text-based applications in Emacs (e.g. music player, terminal emulator, file browser, etc.)
@@sentinel9651 oh okay. For notes I would use Kate probably
@@Amos_Huclkeberry Kate is a great choice. For fun you can give Vim and Emacs a try to experience more radical ways of editing text. (to start, just google how to access their built-in tutorials).
About looking at the keyboard. In my opinion one gets used rather quickly to where the keys you need are placed on the keyboard. At some point I am able to memorize and don't always need to look 😊.
Is it suitable for using tiling window manager if my computer screen is small? (I'm using laptop)
I'd tell you to try and see if it's for you, then you can disable it if you think it's bad
Yes. Obviously, a larger screen is beneficial (tilling wm or no tilling wm) but give it a try
I like the counterpart "Material Shell" on Gnome.
Kubuntu really is the best distribution. Thanks for showing kde-bismuth
I prefer Debian Stable with KDE
@@fattypopulista8189 in that case, you should check out Spiral Linux KDE. Based on Debian Linux 😉
Do I need to install Bismuth from the AUR? Or is there a different way? It doesn't seem to exist in the downloadable Kwin scripts.
What distro r you using?
@@flipinfin Arch, BTW
@@wadecurry938 install with yay
I use KDE with a tiling window manager too but in another way: KDE with xmonad.
I'm glad that Gnome and KDE are embracing tiling options. This is awesome.
For desktops for my family this might make a lot of sense. They'll use them normally and they can slowly try out the tiling functions.
Great video very educational. Only if I saw this video before. I'm running i3 with kde
Hey DT, for plasma tilling ive heard one of the devs is implementing tilling native in kwin or something. Btw i use lxqt+i3 or xfce+i3+ vala global menu when im able to install it
KDE has had titling kwin scripts available for a few years now. This is just one of them.
Hey dt, please tell me if there is any ways to get kde widgets (media frame) and activities feature in any other desktop environment namely gnome and xfce
I find Tiling window managers lacking in basic support in things like Volume control or notification centers. You have to set it up yourself and end up feeling you're re-inventing the wheel. I'm an ex-awesomeWM, it has notification, but not a notification panel-center. To put it in other words.. Tiling window mangers are not desktop environments, so you have to struggle setting up stuff you would normally get in a desktop environment and are things you NEED. With Bismuth you can do it the other way around, which is MUCH more faster and friendly and less of a headache, and with much more support from the community because it's mainstream, and plasma is incredibly configurable.
The only thing I miss from Bismuth (it's in the works, so they say) is a widget that can for example show on the bar what layout is being used, or can shortcut to other "tiling" functionalities.
Why i use i3
I tried to rice both i3 and sway, but always ran into errors with my configs. I slapped bismuth into Kde with a custom theme and shortcuts and I got my daily driver. So yeah.
I actually started my twm using this
I tried something silmilar in with tiling gnome a couple years ago. It didn't quite feel the same. There's also option hell with kde.
You should actually be using Kronkhite which is a fork of it with multiple fixes and improvements, Also Kronkhite is possibly going to support setting default window layouts per virtual desktop which would be an extremely useful update if you use something like Carla in the background for audio routing.
dang per virtual-desktop audio routing sounds next level for my audio workflow thanks for putting that on my radar
@@jmac217x I didn't mean audio routing per desktop, piprwire would make that pretty easy if you hack around a bit with virtual devices in a script.
Krohnkite is deprecated. The devs ported to working on bismuth
@@kamehameha38 thanks for the heads-up
I really tried to make bismuth work but unfortunately it created a lot of issues for me using multiple monitors. I even found a list of tweaks you should do after installing it to work with multiple monitors which helped a bit but it still has a lot of issues. Maybe I'll try like a "real" twm in future, but I really like all the features kde plasma has to offer
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I'm on Debian 11. Installed with sudo apt install kwin-bismuth. I love Linux (sometimes)
I actually use kwin-tiling from Fabian Homborg. It is limited in settings and for example support Activities. But, It has a i3 layout support.
Good video.
to follow what you say and do, I set youtube to half speed ;-) You like Speedy Gonzalez 😂
Bismuth is great but I hope the developer will add Tabs like i3 Tabs.
maybe you can make a vid on what to do if your system says it can't find kde-bismuth
Hey dt ! What if one day you make a video about generic keyboard shortcuts that transcend the wm?
Windows OS uses alt+F4 to close applications. Idk why they copied windows, unless they are catering for persons who are migrating from there? Idk...
Developing on windows VMs, I appreciate the consistency.
Yes, ALT+F4 has been the shortcut to close windows since Windows 3.x. In those days, all PC keyboards had a row of unambiguous Function keys.
Actually you can run i3wm inside of KDE (with X11 not Wayland tho), but it's not perfect and I went back to bare i3 but it's worth noting
What I don't like is how KDE's systemsettings app can't even be resized to be small enough to be tilled properly
It can be fixed, read Bismuth FAQ.
It works perfectly fine for me using i3
Well, it seems as if I just have an uncommonly small screen resolution.
I use Bismuth too but it always problematic with system settings window and sometimes breaks when maximize any windows. Then have to re-enable it to work properly.
It can be fixed, read Bismuth FAQ.
apart from windows still overlap, it looks good and fast enough for a full fledged desktop environment.
but windows overlapping is an issue for me, it looks ugly. but it's nice to for them to develop into something usable.
That overlap was because System Settings has a rather large minimum width definee in its Window Properties. This doesn't happen with other windows and is easily fixable bh setting Minimum Width to Force Zero in a Window Rule
I wish windows allowed to change shortcuts that would be asesome.
I really like the look and feel of TWM's but my whole workflow is based on non TWM's lol
CTRL+Q to close my windows in Manjaro KDE
What's "super shift"? I only know the left and right shift key.
Ahh, and with "see" you mean "z" and not "c"? Am I right? I hate it, that american people pronounce "z" and "c" the same. Why do you people that? Why not "zed" and "see"?
super + shift
Super is also referred to as Meta key or Windows key lol. On my keyboard it has the Windows symbol on it.
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why do people like that layout? I just don't get it, why won't you use normal windows?
Tbh I like GNOME since versione 40, but I always use Pop Shell. Bismuth seems a lot more flexible but not enough to convince me to switch to Plasma out of the blue.
As a triple monitor user I actually wish Pop Shell had a built-in functionality for moving windows to specific workspaces in specific monitors, but the next COSMIC written in Rust will have that, so I'm curious to try it out soon.
For now Pop shell is a good enough option that lets me use GNOME
It is my personal opinion obviously, but using more than two keys to do anything that is not a special and rare thing on a computer is dumb.
I close windows with super+q, or maybe super+c
Even DOS was smart enough to use ctrl+c or q to close an application.
I don't think people should get arthritis to use a komputer efficiently.
Why not just tmux
Alt+f4!!! Why!?!? Hahaha. I never understood this
i need gtile on kde..
Alt-F4 is universal don't go changing universal defaults or you'll sit down at a computer one day and not know how to use it.
This is one of the most ignorant comments I've ever read.
dude, the majority of the people uses normal keyboards, only a minority among weirdoes uses 40% or any of the other non-standard keyboards.
So ignorant.
If you combine bismuth with wsdfhjxc/virtual-desktop-bar you can get it pretty close to i3 wm and you don't even need polybar.
Linux is turning into windows so i will just use windows because it is not as chaotic as linux.
yeah not many people talk about the chaos
R u srs
what?
@TH-cam User Also Windows is proprietary (non-free) software. Linux is open source.
ok