Thanks for the great video. I am a retired LEO and carried the P7 M13 from about 1992 until I retired in 2006. It is a great weapon and I bought one as soon as could find one afthe weapon from officers were unable to operate lop-ter retirement. For its time 13 rounds was a highcap mag. The squeeze cocker was extremely safe aspect of this. if youwere covering some one at gunpoint you could decock and cock in an instant, Each pull of the trigger is single action. it takes @ 15 lbs of pull to squeeze the cocker but only 2 or 3 to hold it cocked. the weapon is extremely safe around children and has saved officers lives when bad guys taking
SIG brought back the P210, HK needs to bring back the P7 line. I would buy another one or two. Great shooter, even horrible pistol shots improve with this line.
I 'discovered' P7s a little over a year ago. Started by buying up M8s. After I had a few of those it occurred to me that I needed a couple M13s. I'm considering selling off a bunch of other pistols to fund more. Best pistol ever designed.
My favorite handgun of all time. Sadly sold my P7M8 years ago, but made up for by purchasing the M13. His grin saying “... well I happen to have one.” says it all.
Great review of one of the more unique guns ever. Wish I didn't have to sell mine in the 90's. One other thing. The 3 dot sights were unique at the time of production, and set the industry standard of today.
Great review. My P7m13 is in pristine condition. In the box, papers, manual and tools. I wasn’t going to ever shot it, just loved the uniqueness of the design and history. I called HK to inquire on night sights and mags. The service rep asked, How do you like the way it shots and the accuracy!!! I said I haven’t shot it and had know intentions too. He laughed and replied, Brother thats sinful and kin to having a fine sports car and never driving it. You cant hurt it and its good for 80,000 rounds NO PROBLEM. Will to my delight IT IS ALL THAT!!! Only 300 rounds through it and it is a pleasure to shot. And boy can you fire it quickly.
Normally, I don't enjoy reviews on "unusual" guns. I think that's because I'm more a "utilitarian" (ie "how is this useful?") rather than a lover of all guns ("look, you shoot this w/your toes in a sitting position"). But, I did enjoy this. It had alot of useful/interesting features. Thanks for the review.
Excellent review! You hit all the technical points that make the P7 pistols so interesting and so fabulous. I credit my P7 (PSP) with getting my wife over any fear she had of calibers larger than .22. It's the smoothest, and softest shooting pistol I own - including the massive chunk of steel known as my S&W 5906. One of the best guns ever made!
The P7 was like what a Colt Python in price to other Wheel Guns as it was to 9MM SA Pistols. All your Superior 9mm's (i.e. Sig Sauer, Beretta, CZ, SA still use the familiar John Browning Tilt Barrel Lockup System. Because you have to use a loose fitting barrel bushing because of heat issues; your not going to have the accuracy that the P7 has with it's fixed Barrel. Lots of People in the Midwest had never heard about them or knew nothing about them. When I was working at a Firearms Store in the 80's about the only place I heard where the P7 was used in LE, was the East Coast. Places like New Jersey seem to have more LE Agencies using them. Like the Narrator said, they have never been an inexpensive Firearm to Buy. Police Agencies working on strict budgets may have wanted them for their Dept. but had to settle for another Mfger in what they could spend. The only drawback may be the Clip Capacity. Although 13rds should be more than sufficient, Now days since the advent of the Glock 17; customers want a 15to 17 rd firearm. I say if you can't accomplish in 13 rds from the accuracy of this Firearm then you probably shouldn't be carrying a FA to begin with.....Good Video !
I have an old "west germany" labelled p7m8. I really hope HK takes this gun, figures out a way to lighten the package, and start making an updated version.
I like shooting down there but unfortunately here in SC we've gotten an INSANE amount of rain lately so that whole area is currently underwater so I can't get down there to shoot....
This is my all time worst regret Gun Sale. Mine was the nickel plated one.I sold mine for $2700, back in the late 90's...Money comes and goes, but this was my biggest Gun regret sale of all time.
It is a problem for all versions; I should have mentioned that. It's due to the gas system. It also prevents HK from offering it in a polymer framed version.
This firearm used to be carried by New Jersey State Police, amazingly. Why is it not in production anymore! Compact, reliable 9mm that has a low bore axis and easy to maintain. oh well, great video bro
This is a sweet pistol to shoot. I had a master marksmen shoot it the first time since he never shot one. The first shot scared him since the whole cycle time was so fast and the sights came back to it's original position quickly. After that it was one hole for the rest of the 12 shots at 25 yards. I was impressed with this marksmanship and he was impressed with the pistol.
My favorite pistol. Two things Mr. GNG didn’t mention: (1) it gets very hot after relatively few rounds; and (2) it had a loaded chamber indicator way back when those were rarities. All in all a great gun, especially to carry because of size, capacity and if it got taken away by the bad guy, there's an excellent chance he wouldn’t know how to cock it so you’d have a fighting chance to take it back or at least run. But the P7M13 is worth about $5k now so…run?
Indeed. I was lucky and got one of the last of the West German trade-in PSP's. Still high for my budget, but I see those same guns going for 3-4x as much nowadays.
Seeing you use a shoulder holster in this video makes me wonder what your opinion of them is. It would be cool if you could do a video talking about all the different methods of carry, including the pros and cons of each, as you see them.
NJ State Police used to carry those for years. They only got rid of them when their service contact was up with H&K and they were discontinued so difficult to maintain paste that. A local municipality also used to carry them.
Awesome video! I love these pistols! My dad, I would say is obsessed with them. He recently bought 3 extra magazines for the M13 and it wasn't cheap! (lol) The M8 is also a great pistol to shoot. Great review video! I have been slowly watching your videos little by little and have yet to watch this one!
The only negative thing about is that is has a stiff recoil spring due to the delayed blowback operation. The magazines also have strong springs so after a couple hours of IPSC training i have sore fingers from loading mags and racking the slide.
I always liked these pistols but never bought one. In the back of my mind I was always concerned I would fail to squeeze clock it at the right time. These were tested by Marine Recon back in the late 80s, but they didn't care for them for cqb over the 1911s due to the constant pressure needed. I would still love to have one.
I have personally shot one. Great gun! You could pick one up from CDNN a few years ago for like five hundred bucks! I can't believe what they are going for now! Good review! Keep 'em coming!
I have had all versions of this gun including the K3 and M10 as far as the heat concern the worst for heat was the first model the PSP they changed that when the M8,M10and M13 were built by making the trigger guard larger it accomplished two things. first it was easier to use with gloves on and also let HK put a heat shield under the area where the gas would heat up the gun. don't get me wrong my M8 will still heat up but not as quick as the PSP. I still have 2 M8's and a PSP I sold my M13 because it was harder to conceal. these guns are like a work of art or a fine watch when you take the grip off they are truly impressive as far as the workmanship and design. and as far as ammo goes every one I have ever shot would shoot the best with 124gr. and for target ammo just plain old S&B would do the trick.
The gas is used to delay the slide from coming back until the round has left the barrel making the gun really accurate. Another negative is how quickly the gun heats up after firing 20-30 rounds.
So jealous. I need to get one of these before the year is out. To this day I cant think of any "modern" 9mm that can compete with the P7M13 for conceal carry.
No, absolutely not something from Kevin Underwood. I'm a fan of his ammo but I wouldn't put it in this gun. Standard HST or Gold Dots would be a great choice.
When I was testing out guns for my first purchase. I was considering that and the sig p220. The sig won out, I like the 45 acp. Thinking back , sells rep said he preferred the p7m13. since the barrel was pinned in it would be more accurate.
What kind of shoulder rig are you using for that P7M13. I own a few P7M13s and a rare P7M10 (.40 cal). indeed these are rare. My first one cist me $899.99 back in 1993. Today, I've seen a decent "Chantilly, VA import" version (used and shot) for $2999.99. Crazy huh?
Awesome review! After your video, I had to go get one. Except I settled on the much cheaper P7 PSP police trade in. Great gun. I will see if I can get used to the squeeze cocker. Finding a leather OWB holster seems to be a challenge
I had one for a few years. Nice shooters. liked the quick firingpin release for save storage. Mags are apain to find and IF you find one, you'll def gonna pay for it. Great vis man!!
It'd be great if you could re-visit this gun just so we could see more of it. I will never understand why Hk refuses to re-make this. It would definitely sell.
good instructive vid one of best I have seen. Good thing pistol has anti-glare barrel rib so glare off bald, waxed head does'nt interfer woth sight picture. Nice job.
Your videos have come a long way. You were going so fast it was hard to follow. Now you’re so relaxed and smooth. With the reggae intros ❤️👌🏼 Any chance you could revisit the P7 for us?
I always enjoy your videos! I have a collection of P7's of all models. One negative to consider is that this older design was not intended to handle +P loads. Any thoughts on that? What would be a good SD load for P7's? Perhaps something from Kevin Underwood?
I was firing one of these when the firing pin stop broke. I had no idea until I looked down on the bench, the thing kept running even with missing parts!
Thanks for the great video. I am a retired LEO and carried the P7 M13 from about 1992 until I retired in 2006. It is a great weapon and I bought one as soon as could find one afthe weapon from officers were unable to operate lop-ter retirement. For its time 13 rounds was a highcap mag. The squeeze cocker was extremely safe aspect of this. if youwere covering some one at gunpoint you could decock and cock in an instant, Each pull of the trigger is single action. it takes @ 15 lbs of pull to squeeze the cocker but only 2 or 3 to hold it cocked. the weapon is extremely safe around children and has saved officers lives when bad guys taking
+Dukeq27 awesome
Thank you for your service and insight sir
One of the greatest, most well-made guns in history. Totally under-rated.
SIG brought back the P210, HK needs to bring back the P7 line. I would buy another one or two. Great shooter, even horrible pistol shots improve with this line.
Hk needs to get these in production again. Or at least license them out to someone else. :/
I love this design.
I agree
I do have a ccp actually. It's pretty good but yeah, a P7 would make my life complete.
They were made under license in Mexico marked P7M13S.
I 'discovered' P7s a little over a year ago. Started by buying up M8s. After I had a few of those it occurred to me that I needed a couple M13s. I'm considering selling off a bunch of other pistols to fund more. Best pistol ever designed.
+Joshua Osborne nice
Joshua Osborne if you still need to sell any, I’d be all over it
My favorite handgun of all time. Sadly sold my P7M8 years ago, but made up for by purchasing the M13. His grin saying “... well I happen to have one.” says it all.
Great review of one of the more unique guns ever. Wish I didn't have to sell mine in the 90's. One other thing. The 3 dot sights were unique at the time of production, and set the industry standard of today.
Very cool firearm! I have one and they are very accurate, and quick to operate. HECKLER AND KOCH NEEDS TO MAKE THIS AGAIN
Everyone loves the Beretta 92F from Die Hard but I always loved Hans' P7!!!
The Steyr AUG looked sick in that flick too...
Great review. My P7m13 is in pristine condition. In the box, papers, manual and tools. I wasn’t going to ever shot it, just loved the uniqueness of the design and history. I called HK to inquire on night sights and mags. The service rep asked, How do you like the way it shots and the accuracy!!! I said I haven’t shot it and had know intentions too. He laughed and replied, Brother thats sinful and kin to having a fine sports car and never driving it. You cant hurt it and its good for 80,000 rounds NO PROBLEM. Will to my delight IT IS ALL THAT!!! Only 300 rounds through it and it is a pleasure to shot. And boy can you fire it quickly.
Yes they are. Just saw one with bids on it for over $4k last week on gunbroker.
Normally, I don't enjoy reviews on "unusual" guns. I think that's because I'm more a "utilitarian" (ie "how is this useful?") rather than a lover of all guns ("look, you shoot this w/your toes in a sitting position"). But, I did enjoy this. It had alot of useful/interesting features. Thanks for the review.
Excellent review! You hit all the technical points that make the P7 pistols so interesting and so fabulous. I credit my P7 (PSP) with getting my wife over any fear she had of calibers larger than .22. It's the smoothest, and softest shooting pistol I own - including the massive chunk of steel known as my S&W 5906. One of the best guns ever made!
Upula will work wonders on the mags but the slide can be rough if you're not hitting the cocker.
The P7 was like what a Colt Python in price to other Wheel Guns as it was to 9MM SA Pistols. All your Superior 9mm's (i.e. Sig Sauer, Beretta, CZ, SA still use the familiar John Browning Tilt Barrel Lockup System. Because you have to use a loose fitting barrel bushing because of heat issues; your not going to have the accuracy that the P7 has with it's fixed Barrel. Lots of People in the Midwest had never heard about them or knew nothing about them. When I was working at a Firearms Store in the 80's about the only place I heard where the P7 was used in LE, was the East Coast. Places like New Jersey seem to have more LE Agencies using them. Like the Narrator said, they have never been an inexpensive Firearm to Buy. Police Agencies working on strict budgets may have wanted them for their Dept. but had to settle for another Mfger in what they could spend. The only drawback may be the Clip Capacity. Although 13rds should be more than sufficient, Now days since the advent of the Glock 17; customers want a 15to 17 rd firearm. I say if you can't accomplish in 13 rds from the accuracy of this Firearm then you probably shouldn't be carrying a FA to begin with.....Good Video !
+steve matz thanks
Probably because the P7 was used by the New Jersey State Police.
Mine was carried by a local Michigan police officer. Pre-ban magazines included.
I have an old "west germany" labelled p7m8. I really hope HK takes this gun, figures out a way to lighten the package, and start making an updated version.
Some Army units tested them as well; I think the cost just was prohibitive and the lack of an external safety...
I like shooting down there but unfortunately here in SC we've gotten an INSANE amount of rain lately so that whole area is currently underwater so I can't get down there to shoot....
This is my all time worst regret Gun Sale. Mine was the nickel plated one.I sold mine for $2700, back in the late 90's...Money comes and goes, but this was my biggest Gun regret sale of all time.
This is so sad man, I'm genuinely sorry
My bucket list gun. Someday....
+Dana H oh it's sweet
I wonder if they'll ever crank up production again....? A man can hope I suppose...
Thanks. P7s are great guns as well
Thank you. Will do!
Browning HP Mark III, H&K P7 M13... These two; are describing how much awesomeness I can carry every day.
It is a problem for all versions; I should have mentioned that. It's due to the gas system. It also prevents HK from offering it in a polymer framed version.
I did; realized it after I edited it up but such is life!
It's my favorite HK for sure.
I agree with you, generally speaking on the utilitarian gun preference.
Agreed; but that price tag hurts!
What an amazing little gun. You're not kidding about the extraction/ejection. This thing kicks rounds way out there.
Robert Smith Sure does!
I like the 5.7 too; I'll probably do a review of it one of these days.
They probably do; several agencies/departments still do. I was in Mexico last year and their Army were all carrying it.
One of the best handguns of all time.
Indeed. Unfortunately I don't have one of those...
hk should really bring these back, my only complaint it gets hot after awhile,
This firearm used to be carried by New Jersey State Police, amazingly. Why is it not in production anymore! Compact, reliable 9mm that has a low bore axis and easy to maintain. oh well, great video bro
Hans Gruber had one of these!
Indeed.
Yippee kay yay
This is a sweet pistol to shoot. I had a master marksmen shoot it the first time since he never shot one. The first shot scared him since the whole cycle time was so fast and the sights came back to it's original position quickly. After that it was one hole for the rest of the 12 shots at 25 yards. I was impressed with this marksmanship and he was impressed with the pistol.
P7Pro in Austin, Texas is cloning these with additional modernization options available.
Good point; I should have pointed that out.
The AUG's still a great gun, even today. But, I love the P7 too ...
You're not kidding there!
$1500 for a good condition P7M13 would be a steal; I'm not surprised he didn't give it up!
There is no more tactical stapler on the planet; not even the Office Space Swingline.
My favorite pistol. Two things Mr. GNG didn’t mention: (1) it gets very hot after relatively few rounds; and (2) it had a loaded chamber indicator way back when those were rarities. All in all a great gun, especially to carry because of size, capacity and if it got taken away by the bad guy, there's an excellent chance he wouldn’t know how to cock it so you’d have a fighting chance to take it back or at least run. But the P7M13 is worth about $5k now so…run?
They make very nice guns, I'm particularly a fan of their rifles, but boy do you have to pay for it!
Indeed. I was lucky and got one of the last of the West German trade-in PSP's. Still high for my budget, but I see those same guns going for 3-4x as much nowadays.
It is that for sure.
Great review and channel! My all time favorite H&K Pistol, still looking for a nice P7M8 to join my P30.
P220s are pretty darn accurate guns as well so you're probably not missing out on too much there.
Seeing you use a shoulder holster in this video makes me wonder what your opinion of them is. It would be cool if you could do a video talking about all the different methods of carry, including the pros and cons of each, as you see them.
Howjadoo22 Good topic.
Perhaps it's dual purpose...?
NJ State Police used to carry those for years. They only got rid of them when their service contact was up with H&K and they were discontinued so difficult to maintain paste that. A local municipality also used to carry them.
+Jersey_91 indeed they did
I think it just wasn't imported in enough numbers in the US to get the reputation it would otherwise have.
Awesome video! I love these pistols! My dad, I would say is obsessed with them. He recently bought 3 extra magazines for the M13 and it wasn't cheap! (lol) The M8 is also a great pistol to shoot. Great review video! I have been slowly watching your videos little by little and have yet to watch this one!
The only negative thing about is that is has a stiff recoil spring due to the delayed blowback operation. The magazines also have strong springs so after a couple hours of IPSC training i have sore fingers from loading mags and racking the slide.
as always great review and i think anything HK makes is outstanding i have a USP 9mm and its by far my best pistol i have
They do. I believe that's one of the reasons they never used polymer.
I always liked these pistols but never bought one. In the back of my mind I was always concerned I would fail to squeeze clock it at the right time. These were tested by Marine Recon back in the late 80s, but they didn't care for them for cqb over the 1911s due to the constant pressure needed. I would still love to have one.
I have personally shot one. Great gun! You could pick one up from CDNN a few years ago for like five hundred bucks! I can't believe what they are going for now! Good review! Keep 'em coming!
Educational to see how far that steel target spray spits out the side.
I have had all versions of this gun including the K3 and M10 as far as the heat concern the worst for heat was the first model the PSP they changed that when the M8,M10and M13 were built by making the trigger guard larger it accomplished two things. first it was easier to use with gloves on and also let HK put a heat shield under the area where the gas would heat up the gun. don't get me wrong my M8 will still heat up but not as quick as the PSP. I still have 2 M8's and a PSP I sold my M13 because it was harder to conceal. these guns are like a work of art or a fine watch when you take the grip off they are truly impressive as far as the workmanship and design. and as far as ammo goes every one I have ever shot would shoot the best with 124gr. and for target ammo just plain old S&B would do the trick.
I keep messaging Hk to make these again. Maybe one day.
I think is the coolest pistol in your collection
The gas is used to delay the slide from coming back until the round has left the barrel making the gun really accurate. Another negative is how quickly the gun heats up after firing 20-30 rounds.
Thanks. Depends if any countries listen to it. Russia generally doesn't follow UN edicts.
Indeed; it doesn't come out of the safe much these days.
Didn't know that; thanks.
Blast from the past. Thanks! Al T.
Good stuff. Thanks
One of the Greatest Handguns ever conceived...Superior Accuracy, and safety like no other...get one if you can!!
vlad the Inhaler Indeed.
Thank you.
Anytime.
Yeah, the squeeze cocker itself is beefier than most 22 pistols...
That grip safety/cocking mechanism/slide release is unbelievably cool. Its too bad HK no longer makes these :(
So jealous. I need to get one of these before the year is out. To this day I cant think of any "modern" 9mm that can compete with the P7M13 for conceal carry.
Indeed. I missed the heat issue in the review.
No, absolutely not something from Kevin Underwood. I'm a fan of his ammo but I wouldn't put it in this gun. Standard HST or Gold Dots would be a great choice.
If I can get my hands on one I will but I don't own one personally.
When I was testing out guns for my first purchase. I was considering that and the sig p220. The sig won out, I like the 45 acp. Thinking back , sells rep said he preferred the p7m13. since the barrel was pinned in it would be more accurate.
Back in 2005 when I was out at Camp Pendelton, a local range had one of these as a rental gun, yes a rental gun.
dphitch Yup, they're great guns.
What kind of shoulder rig are you using for that P7M13. I own a few P7M13s and a rare P7M10 (.40 cal). indeed these are rare. My first one cist me $899.99 back in 1993. Today, I've seen a decent "Chantilly, VA import" version (used and shot) for $2999.99. Crazy huh?
Galco
bullet 1531 Don Hume makes them.. Or made them. Found it on eBay. Good luck. Model number H750 no.25
Awesome review! After your video, I had to go get one. Except I settled on the much cheaper P7 PSP police trade in. Great gun. I will see if I can get used to the squeeze cocker. Finding a leather OWB holster seems to be a challenge
I had one for a few years. Nice shooters. liked the quick firingpin release for save storage. Mags are apain to find and IF you find one, you'll def gonna pay for it.
Great vis man!!
It'd be great if you could re-visit this gun just so we could see more of it.
I will never understand why Hk refuses to re-make this. It would definitely sell.
The barrel is nearly at the same level of the indexfinger. I can imagine the better accuracy and blowback handling.
+Nik Neuy indeed
good instructive vid one of best I have seen. Good thing pistol has anti-glare barrel rib so glare off bald, waxed head does'nt interfer woth sight picture. Nice job.
Your videos have come a long way. You were going so fast it was hard to follow. Now you’re so relaxed and smooth. With the reggae intros ❤️👌🏼
Any chance you could revisit the P7 for us?
Good review of the M-13. I have one since 1987.
Thank you.
Regret not buying one new. Still want one!
They're pretty sweet.
One of the rarest handguns along with the ASP 9mm
Many Mexican Army units still carry this gun as well. Costs just doomed it I suppose.
Thanks.
Indeed.
It’s also the gun Hans Gruber used in Die hard!
You're welcome.
Ok. Normally, H&K doesn't interest me at all, but I want one of these.
Agreed.
I always enjoy your videos! I have a collection of P7's of all models. One negative to consider is that this older design was not intended to handle +P loads. Any thoughts on that? What would be a good SD load for P7's? Perhaps something from Kevin Underwood?
Ah. Makes sense now.
I was firing one of these when the firing pin stop broke. I had no idea until I looked down on the bench, the thing kept running even with missing parts!
nice