Lionel Mighty 700e Hudson
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- Welcome to episode 1 of my Lionel Legendary Hudson series. In this episode I talk about the history of the New York Central Hudson, discuss the original 700e and its significance, and review and run the Lionel 1990 remake of the 700e #5340. Hope you enjoy and as always like, subscribe and click the bell for notifications, comment below and tell others about the channel.
These are not toys, they are models that are not intended to be used by children unless they are 14 years of age.
love to own this beautiful piece of history
The postwar Hudson is a collectors dream! Great video!
It sure is.
The 1937 pre war 5340 special order that can run on tubular track is the holy grail. Pre war is where its at. Made in 🇺🇸 not some China crap
The original 1937 NYC Hudson's dies were made in Italy. At that time, Italians were known to be master die makers and Joshua Lionel Cowen wanted the best. In 1990-91, when Lionel decided to re-issue this locomotive (something that had been talked about all through the 1970's and 80's) the bolier die had been used so much by the original company that it was worn out and a lot of the detailing was no longer clean. The Gray hudson #785 with spoked drivers (circa 1985) is the last hudson built using the original die for the locomotive. Lionel had a new boiler die made (and this time it was made here in the USA) so this new Hudson is actually more American made than is the original!!! The casting over the cab windows is a bit different than the original and that is because of an attempt to be even more accurate. The tender however is made using the original 1937 dies as the scale tender was not made very much except for the full scale model from 1937-1941. All during the 50's and 60's and then during the 1980's, Lionel did not use these dies for the various Hudsons they were re-issuing or building so the original dies were in excellebnt shape. Note the 'dent' on the back of the tender on the engineer's side on the 1991 model, that same dent is on the original prewar models as well as it was in the original dies making them share a family trait!! I do wish that this model would have had the middle drivers flanged like the original 700E. The pilot truck uses under sized wheels so the truck can come up to and even under the steam chests going around a sharp curve. Lionel had made up some replacement trucks with scale sized wheels as many collectors complained about the smaller wheels on an otherwise scale beauty. I do own a 1937 700E and I used to own one of these. Sitting side by side, the new model has nothing to be ashamed of, it is so well made. They raised the cowcatcher in the front as the original was lower (more scal height) and would ocassionally dip down and touch the middle rail causing a short. I think that while raising it to avoid a short, they didn't have to raise it quite that high. They did it to match the 773's from 1950 and 1964-66 as well of course as their newer reincarnations during the 1980's. When I had mine, I always kept the tender unplugged from my locomotive because the original did not have sound and for some reason, I didn't want this one to make sounds either. This 1990 model of the hudson is completely American built, nothing from overseas. --------Now I want to go out and buy another one!!!
@@goldenmanuever1176 Yep, the 785 was the last locomotive cast out of the original, well-worn dies. If you have a 785, examine it closely and the die flaws will become evident. I did a test one time with my 700E, I wanted to see if it could take a sharper curvature than 072, it did. It could actually take an 054 but it didn't look good doing it as that would not have been a very realistic curve. I run my 700E on either original Lionel prewar T-Rail track or, MTH's scale trax. The old Hudson actually looks better on MTH's track because of the scale sized, low profile rails. However, with that knowledge, I now know that Lionel, MTH or 3rd Rail could build say the Allegheny using fully flanged scale wheels for 072 or wider and it would work. Each engine on an Allegheny, like the Hudson uses three axils but on the Allegheny, since the wheels are considerably smaller than those of the Hudson the axils are placed closer together which, as you can tell, will allow it to navigate 072 with no problem. No binding at all. Personally, no large articulated locomotive should be navigating curves sharper than 096 (and that's tight!!). But I digress, that is my opinion. Of course this is for realism, but so is the desire to complete these beautiful scale models with scale wheels. MTH did this by offering scale wheels or high rail wheels on many of their models. There is a video clip on youtube showing an MTH Big Boy outfitted by it's owner with all scale wheels (but still 3-rail operation) and it took all of the 072 curves easily (my complaint is that the Big Boy just don't look good doing it as the overhang is ridiculous looking.) I hear you about seeing a scale sized Lionel Hudson ripping around toy tubular tracks But I think Lionel could have at least made the Hudson available with either all scale wheels or high-rail wheels and let the buyer decide. As for me, I like running my scale models at scale speeds, even my old 700E or 763E's I don't like running trains unrealistically fast because I don't want to wreck one. I did not know that Lionel however, made a scale front to accomodate the scale pilot wheels. I had this locomotive since 1991 and I did purchase the scale pilot wheels for it but the 'cow catcher' remained higher than my prewar models. I'm watching for a 1950 model 773 now.
@@ralphmiller2620 you say the 785 boiler was the last Hudson made from the original Hudson die.. How similar are they, does the cab interior have the same curved form on the cab ceiling?
@@ralphmiller2620 you’re right I’ve looked for it on mine I still love that engine
Thank you Sid and Ralph Miller. I am fortunate to own both a 5340 and a 785. I greatly appreciate all the information you have given about these locomotives!
One beautiful locomotive!
Sid I enjoyed seeing the great legend 700e # 5340 Hudson. Nice review and history of the N.Y.C.Hudson. Thanks for sharing with use. Nick
Thanks. No problem Nick.
Good review. Beautiful machine, I'm jealous!!
Thanks. It sure is a fabulous locomotive.
Awesome! Not only do I want this model but those passenger cars too! Beautiful set!
Thanks Matt
Great video… I have both the 700E and Gold Hudson’s, mint since the day I bought them. Recently acquired the ‘38 700EW & 763E Gun Metal Hudson’s, they are stunning!
This locomotive was called the "1-700E when it came out. I got mine back then. There was also the option to get it with a wooden base, section of track and a full plexiglass case. I understand that the case and wood board are very hard to find today. There was also included a scale coupler that you can switch out in the much oversized Lionel knuckle.
Lionel offered remakes of the 4 scale freight cars and a B-6 switcher at the same time. They also reproduced the maroon Railchief passener set. This was a lot like the prewar Hiawatha or M-10000 cars with vestibule connectors all done in maroon.
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Such a beautiful engine. Great video! I am looking forward to the others in the series
Thanks. I love this locomotive and it was a dream for me to be able to have it. The Commodore Vanderbilt will likely be next.
The Railsounds at the time was a huge improvement over SOS at the time
I love this video Sid! Keep up the good work!
Wow. I liked this engine so much, I found a mint condition one online very reasonable, and bought it on the spot. Some collector hadn't hardly taken it out of the box. I've never really considered older products. I've wanted a scale Hudson for years. Thanks for opening my eyes to a great model. I'm excited to see it run on my layout.
Good video Sid. I'd like to mention a few thing's that people may not know. For the numbering on the 1990 700e, Lionel wanted to number it for their 90th anniversary (5390). But they realized that there wasn't a J1e Hudson that was numbered 5390. So 5340 was chosen. However, I just came across that there was a J1d Hudson that was renumbered to 5390. I may have discussed this with and some others. Lastly 5344 got re-streamlined the look like a Dreyfuss Hudson after it was the Commodore Vanderbilt. Plus 5344 got or was equipped with Timken roller bearings.
Cool. I remember hearing all of that on the Lionel Hudson video made by TM books and video.
@@SidsTrains One of the best videos they did.
@@trainmantim99 sure was.
Good review. I bought one when Lionel released it. It has great detail and weight. I did run it some on my layout. To be honest, it did not have a lot of pulling power. I may have an exception in that regard. Happy you have one. Again, enjoyed your post.
Thank you. It sure is a nice locmotive.
@@SidsTrains Oh yes ... I have it in display case along with the gold plated one. I always wanted the 1937 just like a million other people so when it was released I knew one would find me for sure. You do a great job with your videos. Thanks!
@@solutions2exist556 thanks. Very cool.
@@solutions2exist556 mine is also in it's display case. It has been run but I need to reattach the chain to the draw bar pin. I noticed yours is also not attached .
Another great video
Thanks
very good video I own some 773s in my collection
As a guy in the seventies I occasionally run 2025 2026(early )2035 671 . I’m very happy with these old but everyday locomotives. I could only imagine a scale engine like this.
I love this engine
What's the minimum radius your hudson can negotiate? 🤔
This was our first engine with a bell
The sound isn't working my 700e. I'm thinking of installing an Electric Rail Road sound board and eventually an AC commander. I would be great if you did a video of a sound up grade in this engine.
Never saw either the old one or the new one in person would like to know what they look like beside what they call the baby Hudson which is what I grew up with I love that engine
They are almost identical. The baby Hudson is nice. I was just using it as an example of the postwar trains not being scale.
That chuffing is horrendous
I love it!
You know there’s supposed to be a chain connected to the pin that connects the engine to the coal car right…? It comes out of the floor of the cab…
Great video. Can the chuffing be turned off, but the whistle still function? Thanks!
I believe so yes
Hi, for the sound, bell and whistle, are youl using the sound activation switch and/or the bell/horn activation switch to initiate?
No
@@SidsTrains So how do you initiate the rail sounds, bell and whistle? There are a few of these out there and I plan to purchase one.
I use the buttons on my transformer
Great video but you forgot one Hudson, the 1950 773 Hudson, the 50th anniversary of Lionel being in business. That was the 773 Anniversary Hudson. Only made for that year 1950 then it was brought back into production in 1964 to 1966. The difference between the 1950 and 1964 is the steam chest guide bar. The 1950 had the guide bar and the 1964 did not. Also the number 773 in 1950 was silver heat stamped, the 1964 was white heat stamped and thicker. And the tenders were different as well. The 1950 Hudson is the second holy grail of the Hudson very sought after engine after the 700e do to the 773 of 1950 was only made for that year. And at the time 1950 the anniversary version was $49.95. Imagine dishing out 50 buck in 1950 for a toy train. For those that can’t get the 700e they will search for the 1950 773 Hudson. You may ask how do I know I have the 1950 773 check out my TH-cam channel. Cheers and keep up the good videos.
Great video Sid! Awesome looking steam locomotive! Thanks for sharing! Have a great and awesome day!
Thanks. It's a very nice model. Have a great day as well.
Isn’t the Lionel 773 hudson the most rare and legendary??
The only thing I have a problem with is the chuffing sound. Yours only chuffs once per wheel revolution instead of the prototypical 4 times. Many only chuff twice and I can live with that. But one time per revolution is just odd. But it was first generation sound. Still better than the "mighty sound if steam .
I understand, but it doesn't bother me.
Where did u get this from
York Train Show
Whats the minimum radius for this engine? Thanx
I have actually ran it on 0-36 before. Though it needs 0-43 to be comfortable
Regarding comments concerning the fabrication of the,Cowan went to Italy for two reasons.First was cost but also was his familial relation with those who made the dies.Incidentally,this same Italian co. made tooling for the pressed steel tinplate 600 and 800 series tinplate cars.
What track curve do you run this on?
I personally run it on 0-72 and 0-60. I believe it can run on 0-42 or even smaller
@@SidsTrainsI have the same exact engine but my engine has larger wheels on the front truck and can’t take a turn for nothing. Looking at yours it looks like your front truck wheels are smaller. Was the smaller wheels original or did you have to swap the larger wheels for the smaller ones?
The models originally come with the semi scale wheel like mine has. Yours has the optional scale wheels that came separately.
@@SidsTrains dang then someone didn’t put them in the box
Bad ass
Love the old whistle. Runs like shite though! Ha, ha, ha. Try not to say VERY quite as much. Let us decide. Just present facts not constant positive opinion. WE KNOW YOU LIKE IT!
This is one of the best trains.
I think that I noticed your operating water tank with water.
Mine jamed a couple times due to water effects like mierals.
I tried distilled water without good results.
So I tried automotive radiator water with a 50 to 50 antifreeze that has pump seal lubrication. They all do.
So far, no more jaming; it pumps every time. Even has some green to it.
Did u just buyed this today
No
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