Thanks. Just did my first run in the Cyclone 2. Your review was right on the mark. Excellent up tempo trainer with a nice Pebax flavor. Probably the best TOPO shoe yet.
I own Cloudmonster, Cloudstratus and Cloudflyer. Can’t run in Monster, don’t like Flyer (at all), have worn my Stratus to death. So today I ordered the Cloudsurfer. So excited particularly after your review. Can’t wait till they arrive 🤩🤩
I have the Cloud Monster and the baggy upper and softer midsole never quite worked for me. For some reason the slightly heavier and firmer Cloudstratus V2 worked a lot better for me. Cloudstratus V2 has a very good upper. I’m not crazy about the looks of this new Cloudsurfer.
I have some pairs of On shoes that I only use for fashion/casual use & walking, BUT since the inception the Cloudmonster & the Cloudgo, I notice they're finally tuning their running shoes to meet what runners are looking for as far as performance & weight, so we'll see what ON evolves in the near future.
A sales specialist turned me into On Cloudmonsters several months ago, and absolutely love how they fit my running needs perfectly, or better than the other shoes I have. Then I tried the Cloudsurfers last week (crazy deal down here in MX for around $120USD), and as different as they are from the Monsters, my feet absolutely love these shoes, specially for "long recoveries" and travel. Too early to talk about durability, but so far for confort I give them a "10"
I just got this shoe, and I love it I mean they just delivered it, And I put it on 5 minutes ago and it feels better than any other On shoe!!! I am about to hit the road to try it out very excited Bama Man!!!
Surfer 7 looks great like most ON shoes, is surprisingly nice and light, however it has stability (feels like a marshmallow so perhaps clean technique only), durability (bending collapsing EVA/Helion foam pillars and outsole), grip & squeaking (especially when wet) concerns for me. We sell a ridiculous amount of ON shoes (mostly cloud 5s and cloudflows will see how our new models go - Drift, Nova, Runner, Surfer), and also have a high number of guarantee returns due to material failures and premature wear... ON is definitely a polarising brand - people seem to either love 'em or hate 'em, fortunately they don't fit my feet (heel slip and too wide) so I can sit on the fence :-D
Sounds very promising. Super plush + ultra light are a winning combo! It seems On is listening to feedback & improving their tech. I suppose my major concern is longevity? I saw a slow-mo animation of the pods/pillars SLIDING FORWARD and then collapsing into a sorta 'locked' jigsaw puzzle piece. Looks super cool but that's A LOT of bending & friction for those relatively thin pillars. And you know what happens when you bend/flex a thin pillar back & forth repeatedly.... like 20,000/run (steps) x 3 days/wk x 12 weeks? That's A LOT of bending & flexing of those pillars.
Well, I did not like my ON Cloudstratus, but just tried these shoes recently, shockingly different! Soft, very aggressive rocker and drop. Well worth contenders for daily runner.
I am not sure that collapse of the pods as you step on will survive the test of time. It will probably soften and flatten. The collapse reminded me of Adidas 4DFWD 3D printed structure collapsing as you step on. But over there the structural elements are rigid and this one is just a type of EVA foam. I am really looking forward to hearing long term review.
I’ve run in plenty and thought they were the best shoes ever until I actually started noticing how different every brand is. Currently on a pair of novablasts and I totally will be sticking with them moving forward. They’re so much more comfortable in any speed
On makes great shoes durability wise. I got some 4 years ago when they were really new company. The comfort level was good then. Helped with my plantar fasciitis I had to get rid Of it. The technology in shoes has improved substantially since then. Nike has the zoomx invincible which is even better than adidas ultraboost foam. The issue with the first on shoes is the holes were not very collapsible and speedboard was a little hard. These flyers are dramatic improvement. Switzerland makes great sneakers. I owned mine 4 years and walk on them hundreds of miles by now. I also weight 200 pounds
Just here to say that I'm someone who has been running since I was 12 and I'm 36 now, and the OG Cloudsurfers are probably my favorite shoe I've ever run in. I've never found Cloud tech to be gimmicky, and the speed board seems to help bouts of plantar fasciitis I've had from dealing with all the max cushion shoes out there. I'm concerned that On is not sticking to their original designs and catering too much with keeping up with the fads of running shoes. Everyone is different 🤷 I just hope they keep the Cloudsurfer 6 model around, since this new Cloudsurfer is completely different and isn't called model 7.
Racewalker and runner here. Just tried some Hokas, Saucony Tempus and these ON cloudsurfer 7s just now. Really best for you to try it out in the stores. I believe you can do speedwalking on them, the heel cushioning/bounce is really great.....really fun. The stack is pretty high for serious speeds racewalking but if you are keep it above 7 min pace walking it should be fine. Note that the heel stability is at best average, maybe slightly below average to some. But it ought to be fine for regular brisk/speedwalking....pretty fun ride.
How do these compare to the Hoka Mach 5? I didn’t expect much from the Mach 5 but ended up absolutely loving them, so I’m wondering how the bounce and cushion compares with these
Tried both the Mach 5 and Cloudsurfer 7 just now. CS7 is much more bouncier/springier and fun. Mach 5 too firm for me and my wife's taste but of coz some might love that way. Depends on your preference/use. The CS7's heel bounce/spring is really super, i think esp for those doing speedwalking and not so serious racewalking, it might appeal to some of that crowd. The forefoot is also quite bouncy.
I was just in REI and it came down to the Hoka Mach 5 and these. I had one on each foot. I ended up going with (again) the Mach 5. The cloudsurfer was a bit softer, but felt like it had less substance to absorb impact while road running (I run 1/2 marathons). But I would have been happy with either. They are very close. Asics gel nimbus 25 is also a similar feel.
Looks great! Reference the stability concerns, I've used all iterations of the Novablast without any issues regarding stability, and I know some users found them to be pretty unstable too. How does the ON compare to the Novablast ref stability?
I picked up a pair, loved them, but they have developed a very annoying squeak when walking, not an issue when running on the mid/forefoot, but when walking with heal strike they sound like squeaky shoes you buy for friends toddlers to annoy them!
Does the width differ between men’s and women’s? I tried the men’s size in a color I didn’t like (it was a perfect fit). But the blue only comes in women’s sizes
I am sure this will better if they can add a Outer Heel Counter (as stabilizer) and if they can make the ball/girth fabric mesh area a bit heavy….to complete the stabilization. lt would be great to see the “before and after” appearance of the Midsole, to see the full performance in terms of compression set.
Trying to get back into running after several years away from it. This is the shoe that I’m starting out with. Have been a fan of the Brooks (Ghost) and Nike (Pegasus) for several years. However, if these prove as durable as they feel then it will be hard to go back. Loving them so far.
But when are they going to release the cloud boom echo 3? In my opinion, that is the puzzle piece that is missing in their rotation, or what else should I use on race day?
the first thing that needs to happen is widening the shoe not the upper just the mid and lower the stack needs to be a little thicker, also cover the entire bottom with good rubber grip then they have an awesome shoe!!!!!!
I am a US 12 and the US 12 in these fit me perfectly. As a reference, I am true to size in Saucony and Puma, but feel I often need a half size bigger in ASICS, so I generally can't buy ASICS because they rarely make a 12.5.
@@wordsovsean8905 Yeah I ended up ordering my regular size. As bad as I hate to say this I was kinda let down in these. But everyone is different. I work in a warehouse ( actually for Under Armour lol 😂) and I’m on my feet nonstop. I walk around 14 miles a day there. The most comfortable shoes I’ve had to date for what I need them for is Nike Air Max 2021 Se… The Cloudsurfer just wasn’t what I needed. I ended up ordering the Hoka Clifton 9 - going to switch up between all and see which one is best for me.
@@thetattooedguy1413 I can appreciate that. I don't think they're the greatest walking shoe as I think they feel a bit unstable and just not... natural. I actually find them quite stable for running, probably because they compress more. I use the On Cloud X as a walking shoe and they've been great, although maybe firmer than you'd like. I hope the Cliftons work out. Lower drop is probably better for walking and standing around.
I had good expectations about this new ON model and technology. But you seem to make it clear that the absence of the plate that On usually uses made the sneaker softer. Well, then I'm no longer interested. I appreciate firm shoes that are responsive. I don't find this in the huge amount of softer sneakers that flood the market today. For walking, ok, comfort is important. For running, comfort for me is in performance. I want to stay away from soft and comfortable shoes!
These have always seemed a bit of a gimmick to me! The worst run I've ever experienced happened in a pair of Ons, the cloudtec is rubbish and like Meg said that speed board was horribly stiff! Always far better options out there in my opinion
Correct, I tried on Monster it just felt weird to me, never better experience than wearing a light weight shoes. However, I have extremely good experience wearing cloudmonster walking casually, the cloud feeling is the best among their other series. The cloud feeling only lasted around 3 months to me, perhaps they should work on improving the longevity of their cloud feeling.
Thank you for giving us the green light for the new Cloudsurfers! 🤩
Great direction, looking forward to what's coming in 2023 and beyond!
Can you make Waterproof CloudMonster!?
I hope you all can make something that can eclipse this!
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Thanks. Just did my first run in the Cyclone 2. Your review was right on the mark. Excellent up tempo trainer with a nice Pebax flavor. Probably the best TOPO shoe yet.
No doubt, great shoe!
I own Cloudmonster, Cloudstratus and Cloudflyer. Can’t run in Monster, don’t like Flyer (at all), have worn my Stratus to death. So today I ordered the Cloudsurfer. So excited particularly after your review. Can’t wait till they arrive 🤩🤩
I have the Cloud Monster and the baggy upper and softer midsole never quite worked for me. For some reason the slightly heavier and firmer Cloudstratus V2 worked a lot better for me. Cloudstratus V2 has a very good upper. I’m not crazy about the looks of this new Cloudsurfer.
I have some pairs of On shoes that I only use for fashion/casual use & walking, BUT since the inception the Cloudmonster & the Cloudgo, I notice they're finally tuning their running shoes to meet what runners are looking for as far as performance & weight, so we'll see what ON evolves in the near future.
Definitely turned a corner with this one
Pretty cool this revamped model. Maybe is finally time to give a try On.
A sales specialist turned me into On Cloudmonsters several months ago, and absolutely love how they fit my running needs perfectly, or better than the other shoes I have. Then I tried the Cloudsurfers last week (crazy deal down here in MX for around $120USD), and as different as they are from the Monsters, my feet absolutely love these shoes, specially for "long recoveries" and travel. Too early to talk about durability, but so far for confort I give them a "10"
Cloudsurfer is actually legit. Feels very springy!
I just got this shoe, and I love it I mean they just delivered it, And I put it on 5 minutes ago and it feels better than any other On shoe!!! I am about to hit the road to try it out very excited Bama Man!!!
I love the Cloudmonster and this looks like it could join my rotation! Just a little concerned about 'stability'...
Surfer 7 looks great like most ON shoes, is surprisingly nice and light, however it has stability (feels like a marshmallow so perhaps clean technique only), durability (bending collapsing EVA/Helion foam pillars and outsole), grip & squeaking (especially when wet) concerns for me. We sell a ridiculous amount of ON shoes (mostly cloud 5s and cloudflows will see how our new models go - Drift, Nova, Runner, Surfer), and also have a high number of guarantee returns due to material failures and premature wear... ON is definitely a polarising brand - people seem to either love 'em or hate 'em, fortunately they don't fit my feet (heel slip and too wide) so I can sit on the fence :-D
Thanks for the in-depth explanations, you two.
Always here to help!
Would this work for speed, tempo etc? and is it responsive?
Sounds very promising. Super plush + ultra light are a winning combo! It seems On is listening to feedback & improving their tech. I suppose my major concern is longevity? I saw a slow-mo animation of the pods/pillars SLIDING FORWARD and then collapsing into a sorta 'locked' jigsaw puzzle piece. Looks super cool but that's A LOT of bending & friction for those relatively thin pillars. And you know what happens when you bend/flex a thin pillar back & forth repeatedly.... like 20,000/run (steps) x 3 days/wk x 12 weeks? That's A LOT of bending & flexing of those pillars.
Yeah that's the only question, we're gonna try to get this one to 100 miles and see what changes
My exact thoughts. I can't imagine these are going to go the distance. I wonder also how that pattern changes when you get deep into long runs
Just bought a pair & love them. I think they will be my go to.
These replaced my cloudstratus3
Quite a few companies start out at the far end of innovation- -> but eventually come to the middle of compromise
If that ain't the damn truth
Most of the worlds top long distance triathletes are already on On’s so they might be going on the right direction.
Well, I did not like my ON Cloudstratus, but just tried these shoes recently, shockingly different! Soft, very aggressive rocker and drop. Well worth contenders for daily runner.
I am not sure that collapse of the pods as you step on will survive the test of time. It will probably soften and flatten. The collapse reminded me of Adidas 4DFWD 3D printed structure collapsing as you step on. But over there the structural elements are rigid and this one is just a type of EVA foam. I am really looking forward to hearing long term review.
Im just here for all the people in the comments who have never run in Ons but are just absolutely certain they’re terrible.
I’ve run in plenty and thought they were the best shoes ever until I actually started noticing how different every brand is. Currently on a pair of novablasts and I totally will be sticking with them moving forward. They’re so much more comfortable in any speed
On makes great shoes durability wise. I got some 4 years ago when they were really new company. The comfort level was good then. Helped with my plantar fasciitis I had to get rid Of it. The technology in shoes has improved substantially since then. Nike has the zoomx invincible which is even better than adidas ultraboost foam. The issue with the first on shoes is the holes were not very collapsible and speedboard was a little hard. These flyers are dramatic improvement. Switzerland makes great sneakers. I owned mine 4 years and walk on them hundreds of miles by now. I also weight 200 pounds
Just here to say that I'm someone who has been running since I was 12 and I'm 36 now, and the OG Cloudsurfers are probably my favorite shoe I've ever run in. I've never found Cloud tech to be gimmicky, and the speed board seems to help bouts of plantar fasciitis I've had from dealing with all the max cushion shoes out there. I'm concerned that On is not sticking to their original designs and catering too much with keeping up with the fads of running shoes. Everyone is different 🤷 I just hope they keep the Cloudsurfer 6 model around, since this new Cloudsurfer is completely different and isn't called model 7.
Nope. They are just calling it the Cloudsurfer.
I have 2 pairs of these creek/orange. I love them!!!
Can I wear these for everyday walking too?
Racewalker and runner here. Just tried some Hokas, Saucony Tempus and these ON cloudsurfer 7s just now. Really best for you to try it out in the stores. I believe you can do speedwalking on them, the heel cushioning/bounce is really great.....really fun. The stack is pretty high for serious speeds racewalking but if you are keep it above 7 min pace walking it should be fine. Note that the heel stability is at best average, maybe slightly below average to some. But it ought to be fine for regular brisk/speedwalking....pretty fun ride.
So in short, if you have any sort of supination/pronation and heel striking, avoid this.
Robbie - which do you prefer, Topo Cyclone 2 or Cloudsurfer?
For quick tempo runs, cyclone 2, for longer runs where you may want to pick it up at times, cloudsurfer
Cloudsurfer vs Ultraboost 22 ? Any recommendations
How do these compare to the Hoka Mach 5? I didn’t expect much from the Mach 5 but ended up absolutely loving them, so I’m wondering how the bounce and cushion compares with these
Tried both the Mach 5 and Cloudsurfer 7 just now. CS7 is much more bouncier/springier and fun. Mach 5 too firm for me and my wife's taste but of coz some might love that way. Depends on your preference/use. The CS7's heel bounce/spring is really super, i think esp for those doing speedwalking and not so serious racewalking, it might appeal to some of that crowd. The forefoot is also quite bouncy.
I was just in REI and it came down to the Hoka Mach 5 and these. I had one on each foot. I ended up going with (again) the Mach 5. The cloudsurfer was a bit softer, but felt like it had less substance to absorb impact while road running (I run 1/2 marathons). But I would have been happy with either. They are very close. Asics gel nimbus 25 is also a similar feel.
Great review. I use wide so great news
Looks great! Reference the stability concerns, I've used all iterations of the Novablast without any issues regarding stability, and I know some users found them to be pretty unstable too. How does the ON compare to the Novablast ref stability?
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I picked up a pair, loved them, but they have developed a very annoying squeak when walking, not an issue when running on the mid/forefoot, but when walking with heal strike they sound like squeaky shoes you buy for friends toddlers to annoy them!
I have the Monsters and want a second pair and really excited for this one!
Does the width differ between men’s and women’s? I tried the men’s size in a color I didn’t like (it was a perfect fit). But the blue only comes in women’s sizes
I am sure this will better if they can add a Outer Heel Counter (as stabilizer) and if they can make the ball/girth fabric mesh area a bit heavy….to complete the stabilization. lt would be great to see the “before and after” appearance of the Midsole, to see the full performance in terms of compression set.
Local store just added ON so get to demo 😊
Trying to get back into running after several years away from it. This is the shoe that I’m starting out with. Have been a fan of the Brooks (Ghost) and Nike (Pegasus) for several years. However, if these prove as durable as they feel then it will be hard to go back. Loving them so far.
Hiya - also getting back into it. What did you think?
Hi guy, thanks for great video, what do you think about the new trail version
Would you use the Cloudsurfer on a trail run?
I normally hate ONs but I’m excited to try these bc of the high heel to toe drop. My Achilles can’t do the others.
I am somewhat confused... feels like without the Speedboard, it lost the character of an On shoes. Why not just get a cushy Hoka?
Cloudsurfer vs Pegasus? Or would that be apples to oranges?
Both are good daily trainers, but the Cloudsurfer takes the win
@@Believeintherun Thanks! Couldn’t pass up the sale on the Peg 39 right now but may try the Ons soon.
Cool review. But what's with the terrifying little menagerie of horrors on the right at 6:53 ??
This or the ON cloud go?
But when are they going to release the cloud boom echo 3? In my opinion, that is the puzzle piece that is missing in their rotation, or what else should I use on race day?
Should be hearing word on that soon
Unless you’re a pro runner sponsored by On, you should be wearing Saucony, Nike, NB or ASICS on race day IMO
the first thing that needs to happen is widening the shoe not the upper just the mid and lower the stack needs to be a little thicker, also cover the entire bottom with good rubber grip then they have an awesome shoe!!!!!!
How would compare them to the Cloud Monster?
Softer and no speedboard
Are they true to size ? Trying to figure out if I need to go half size up ?
I am a US 12 and the US 12 in these fit me perfectly. As a reference, I am true to size in Saucony and Puma, but feel I often need a half size bigger in ASICS, so I generally can't buy ASICS because they rarely make a 12.5.
@@wordsovsean8905 Yeah I ended up ordering my regular size. As bad as I hate to say this I was kinda let down in these. But everyone is different. I work in a warehouse ( actually for Under Armour lol 😂) and I’m on my feet nonstop. I walk around 14 miles a day there. The most comfortable shoes I’ve had to date for what I need them for is Nike Air Max 2021 Se… The Cloudsurfer just wasn’t what I needed. I ended up ordering the Hoka Clifton 9 - going to switch up between all and see which one is best for me.
@@thetattooedguy1413 I can appreciate that. I don't think they're the greatest walking shoe as I think they feel a bit unstable and just not... natural. I actually find them quite stable for running, probably because they compress more. I use the On Cloud X as a walking shoe and they've been great, although maybe firmer than you'd like. I hope the Cliftons work out. Lower drop is probably better for walking and standing around.
In UK had to go 0.5 size up in these
FINALLY ON get rid of that speedboard this shoe is really cool.
I can't say I've ever thought of my mustache as a "wind spoiler for my face"... 🤔 A lip scarf for the winter perhaps. 😝
version 7? Can you edit the title please? Thank you.
May have missed it but do you know the release date?
March 23
What type of foam?
Helion, so EVA
Also can you tell @tracksmith to make hoddie hole bigger? 😮
Didn’t Reebok do this with the Zigtech?
Zig tech is making a comeback. Stay tuned.
@@Believeintherun I’m good, but thanks!😂
I had good expectations about this new ON model and technology. But you seem to make it clear that the absence of the plate that On usually uses made the sneaker softer. Well, then I'm no longer interested. I appreciate firm shoes that are responsive. I don't find this in the huge amount of softer sneakers that flood the market today. For walking, ok, comfort is important. For running, comfort for me is in performance. I want to stay away from soft and comfortable shoes!
Is that an Asics shirt Robbe’s wearing? I want one.
Technically Onitsuka, it's up on their site
@@Believeintherun thanks!
Release date?
03/23
Anyone having issues with squeaking? Haven't heard it mentioned in any of these 'official' reviews, but seems to be a common problem in user forums...
Cost?
$160
Looks like a copy of "Skechers Go Train Vortex 2 Black (54842)" from 6 years ago.
But wait.., we just had the first impressions ..
Turns out we got everything done before the embargo lift, sometimes it happens lol
The none runners' favourite running shoe brand that they swear by! - your honest running shop employee
ON shoes make my knees hurt just looking at them.
It’s not true to size I’m a 91/2 and the 8 1/2 fit me. R u mad
I have a pair they seem heavy and bulky plus too wide in the heel will not buy again
Super
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the way it bottoms out pretty easily i think its more of a walking shoe
At what distance does it bottom out for you?
Haven't tried it but it looks like it would bottom out very easily especially for midfoot to forefoot strikers.
i only have the cloudGo (in wide) and they dont compress like in this video!
I was going to comment the same thing, "its a walking shoe"
These have always seemed a bit of a gimmick to me! The worst run I've ever experienced happened in a pair of Ons, the cloudtec is rubbish and like Meg said that speed board was horribly stiff! Always far better options out there in my opinion
Correct, I tried on Monster it just felt weird to me, never better experience than wearing a light weight shoes. However, I have extremely good experience wearing cloudmonster walking casually, the cloud feeling is the best among their other series. The cloud feeling only lasted around 3 months to me, perhaps they should work on improving the longevity of their cloud feeling.
Hard to go back to a restaurant that gave you horrible food once or twice , kind of similar with a shoes company IMHO :-)
I have always said friends don’t let friends run in on clouds
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Lol oh god you guys dumped all the Ons on Robbe?🤣 hope he got some physical therapy for that experience.
Will be nice and squeaky when wet.
Must be the ugliest shoe I have seen in a long time
Too soft
Worst shoe ever!!!
Have you run in this one?
@@levandmarthapolyakin-aaron2183He definitely hasn’t lol
Goodbye february....Hi march. Like for Thomas and Meaghan. Thanks for this information about the On Running 2023. Have a great day. 🌞🏃🌤️