Rough'n Life - Rough Turning and Drying Green Wood
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- Demonstration and discussion of the wortheffort techniques for processing, roughing , and drying found green wood. We go over band saw techniques, turning techniques, safety, spindle roughing, bowl roughing, coring, drying, warping, green turning, ect...
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Can’t watch this video without thanking you for all the effort that has gone into this.
I have been turning for 36 years and can’t fault your work- only learn from it.
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If you find yourself thinking about clicking a dislike button, then you need to stay until the end. For a noob like myself, who is self learning to turn , it contains a lot of very valuable and useful information. Thanks for taking the time to edit together a video like this for the masses. Much appreciated.
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Just retired and took a liken to turning. Your vids are very informative and enjoyable. Thanks a lot.
it's good seeing you put out content again. keep up the good work. and I'm glad the shop you put together being put to good use.
I really really enjoy watching your videos. I learn a lot from you and would like to thank you for sharing your vast knowledge.
I learned so much just from the montage, the rest of the video was a fantastic bonus.
This is a really terrific video! Thanks for putting it up. Your videography and editing have gotten really good!
"NAILS!" Ha! Great video. Really pleased that I found your channel--tons of great stuff here--thanks so much!
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You are the man! Thank you for this contribution. You've inspired me to develop my skills while creating something useful. I'm just now building an end table with turned legs. I did not manage to make four identical legs, but close enough for my wife. And I learned a lot along the way.
Thank you.
This was a great video,love the art in the upper corner, nice touch. The lathe is still on my Wish list, but soon.
I prefer to turn green wood, and have never had a bowl change shape- I collect shavings into a sealed bag, and place the turned finished bowl into the bag. I take it out for 10 minutes each day, and weigh it on a kitchen scale. When it stops “losing weight”, it’s done. (We’ve always used a whole-house humidifier in the winter, so The humidity level in our home stays between 40 and 50%)
Thanks so much for the teaching it’s excellent
Thank you mate! I watched all your videos. There are no videos online about this subject. Yours is great. I am just starting wood turning. Your videos inspired me. Good luck and good fortune.
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Really like the lever bowl cutter! Thanks for sharing
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Thanks for this video really like the coring technique !!!!!!
Sure makes a mess though.
You said a lot with no many words! Thanx for sharing! I got problems with moisture in allready dry wood, i can imagine what problems i got to solve with fresh cutted timber.
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Love ur videos
Great video.
Well done, thank you!
Thanks for sharing. I bought my first mini lathe and did some practice turning today, I'm looking forward to learning this craft...
Look for my video on Woodturning Demystified. Something I did for beginners.
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WOW,that is some band saw,another good video
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Invaluable knowledge man 👍
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Thanks so much again!!
Just came across your videos the other day and I want to thank you. I started turning 5-6 years ago, but only in my limited spare time and just got back into making a few bowls after only really turning a few limited Christmas items over the last couple years. With my shift worker job and horrible area for selling things for what they should be worth it's been hard to stay motivated. I wish I saw these videos sooner, you have made a a lot of things make more sense to me and I've already started to practice with your methods. I really like your milk painted bowls and plan on trying that myself. The marker holder, I saw in your top video, really caught my eye and I see it in this video with a couple other bowls hanging on the wall. I was curious how you have those hanging up there? Keep the videos coming while I try catching up with your current stock.
At the 13 minute mark, there about, where you start to core out a bowl, that wood was beautiful. Even green.
Your teaching is clean sensei. You are making great wood turner for sure. (take care of the wood larva)
Great informative video, and entertaining. I watched from m begin to end. Thanks for sharing. Ah, if you don't mind me asking, what bandsaw blade to you use, or recommend for bowl blanks? Thanks.
I dunno the brand name. It's a commercial one from my local commercial tool dealer. They buy it by the roll and weld up to your length. I usually use 3-4 skip tooth 3/8"
wortheffort ok, thanks.
you are a good man
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It seems like the more I get into woodworking, the more I start to realise I don't know shit about woodworking. I just dried some really good honey locust fire wood. Yay for that.
Cut out the cracks for spindle blanks.
A question: I just roughed out a couple of acacia branches that are still very green. I turned all of them into 15" long round blanks, and painted the ends. I thought it had been a good effort, and I was quite proud of my self for getting through my slacker stack. Now, a couple of my turner friends tell me I have ruined the wood, ad it will crack if I remove the bark. They advise me to wrap the blanks up in stretch wrap, so they won't dry too fast from the long grain. What is your take/experience on this? Have I effed up, or are they wrong? :)
Great video as always. Why do you shrink wrap the outside edge of your blanks when after they're rounded on the bandsaw? Do you seal the front and back with a sealer also? Does this take the place of a paint on sealer? Probably a dumb question but worth asking.
Great Video and very helpful. I am using some wood which I rounded and sealed with thick coats of neat PVA glue from about two years ago. It also does the job and it's a lot cheaper. Is there a downside to using PVA glue?
You paint the ends of green turned wood? Butcher block? What kind of sealant is best for green turning?
Hi. I watched this a year ago and enjoyed it again today. I used to use Anchor seal, now using a gallon of Titebond which is half the price, and seems to work well. Actually goes on a bit thicker so probably not quite half the price.
Ya, I know some people who water down glue and use it. Not that big a price difference by the gallon.
Love the tunes, reminds me of Planet X. Why the Saran wrap?
What do you do with all the shavings??
What was used to paint the ends for slacker pile?
Good to see you back. That bandsaw/riser block of yours, what is the motor power (hp)? You just inspired me to go for the riser block
I think it's 1hp, maybe 3/4... I don't like the riser block. This was my dads saw and when we shared shops I sold mine and fixed his up with belts, Carter System and such. When I left he bought a monster one and let me have this one since we were 50/50 in it. If you can just get a bigger saw do that. A riser is a stop gap feature but just the tension of the blade can cause the whole frame to flex. I've heard this from many people. Ideally I'd get a bigger saw for green work and resawing and keep this one, take off the riser, and put a finer blade on it. But likely I'll sell it someday. Really like the PM1500 and 1800's.
Ok thanks for the tip.
Hi Shawn, glad to see you posting again. The shrink wrap around the outside of your blanks, is this just temporary until you rough turn them? Also, when you store the rough turned blanks in paper bags for drying, are they packed in shavings? TIA for your time and help!
If you follow the general wisdom you would put the rough bowl in a bag with its own shavings changing out the shavings every few days for a week. Then put it in a bag by itself and turn the bag inside out every few days for another few weeks. Then put it on the shelf to dry. I'm too lazy for all that and it gets expensive buying all those bags for each bowl. I just put a bunch in a big bag assuming they'll keep the humidity up for a while and the bag will slow the process since it blocks all air movement. Then in a month (or when I remember) I'll pull them out and stack em in a way that allows for air movement. Seems to work OK.
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I'm saving up for one myself, not sure I can afford a jet, might have to settle for a grizzly, got 500 so far
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Just terrific! Great format. Was that the 3/4" Thompson?
It was a 5/8". I love Thompson. Will likely go exclusively with them as I replace worn out tools. Awesome steel. Could take or leave their handles though.
@@wortheffort I love my Hannes tool handles!!
I really like your videos, I have learned a lot from your explanations. Thank you. I am wondering how you feel about drying the rough bowls in a microwave. I have tried this and so far, I have had great results. I am not sure but I feel like the heat from the moisture heating up relaxes the wood fiber to assist in not cracking. I have been able to green turn a bowl, with the pift still in from a branch and finish it in less than 24 hours. after I rough turn it, I microwave it, then let it sit until the following evening and then finish it. Have you ever tried this? What are your thoughts?
I've never tried it. Seems like a lot of work to me for one bowl. Time is $$$ when trying to sell. Just do a bunch, throw em on a shelf and let them sit for 6mo. to a year is my style. Build up enough inventory that way and you can pull off and finish turn on demand when someone wants something special (that's what I'd like to build up to).
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Just wondering. How long can you let logs dry? I am new to woodturning, novice maybe. A few trees near my house were cut down and I scored a few logs. How long can I let the logs sit? I can only turn during woodshop class too(45 mins), so I cant do alot in one day or anything. Amazing, very informative videos too!
If I can rought them the same day they're cut that's best.
I know this is an older video... but do you paint the inside of the bowl because of where you live? I'm in Ohio and found that only slowing down the outside ends works best (no inside of bowl)... that allows it to dry more evenly.
lol, too much stimulation! I was so distracted by the charcoal PiP that I have no idea what was going on in the main body. Well, I'll just have to watch again, I reckon. Definitely a go-to channel for woodworking.
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I have to ask what bandsaw blades do you use? I really like timberwolf. Thoughts?
The $13 ones from my local industrial material supplier. They weld up whatever length you need there.
Silly question but when you rough turn a bowl and leave a tennon on the outside, how then do you mount it again to turn the outside and inside? Never understood this. Great video and appreciate your time in making it. Thanks
Answered a few weeks ago with this video. th-cam.com/video/JjWQlLIPMCg/w-d-xo.html or look up "$20 bowl in 20 minute" video
stretch wrap...that will save me gobs of time...I've been melting paraffin on the sides...
love your video's dude, awesome, now when are you going to move that jet lathe to my house and upgrade yours ? hahaha
Since I've been borrowing it from my sister for 2 years (haven't paid her for it yet) I think she'd kill me for passing it on.
finally got me a grizzly 2hp,, yay lol
Those are a few shavings!
have you ever used carbide tipped lathe tools? i am considering choosing them over the traditional i will not need to sharpen them.
you can generally find a decent grinder with an 80-120 grit stone at a pawn shop or garage sale for $20. it takes me less than 20 seconds to sharpen. you can't get a carbide as sharp as steel at it's best. i personally found that for the woods I use I don't get enough life out of carbide to make it financially viable (you won't get a dozen bowls out of an edge, I'd only get a few). you'll have to sand a lot more with carbide scrapers. people tend to gravitate towards them in the beginning then away if they enjoy the hobby. they're expensive.
I would like a set for deep hollowing but those are very specialized.
my opinion, just learn the traditional tools. it's a hobby after all. learning is rewarding. you'll take more pride in your work if you can get the results you want straight off the blade.
Do you put sealer/paint on the end grain inside the bowls too, or just the outside? I've been roughing out bowls like a madman, sealing all exposed eng grain and putting them in paper bages in garage. Hopefully that drying is conducive to our weather. Thank you!!
Vermont Forester yes though don’t leave them in bags. Mildew.
@@wortheffort 10-4 thanks. Should I be concerned leaving them in my unheated garage year round? Appreciate your advice!
No, they’ve been doing that for centuries.
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What's the name of the device you use to cut the smaller blank from the middle of the big one?
Look out for todays video. I'll go all over it.
Surely you didn't do all that in one day🤔, how, that's amazing!!
How long did it take you for this day of work? We talking 8 hours or was this a longer day? Love the video just curious as to what your time commitment was for this run of rough'n!
It was a long time ago. I know it was done in a day and we started late. Pretty sure I discussed what time of day I was in at each stage in video. I also filmed while doing it, took breaks for dialoge develoment (production stuff takes time) but did not computer editing that day. Without editing video work I could have roughed out all those bowls too in a long day.
Amazing! That's what I figured and could totally tell in the video because of the early morning sign setup and then taking it back in at night all while wearing the same clothes (haha). I was just curious because it would take me MUCH longer than that at my current skill level. Love what you do man! I'm an hour north of Dallas close to the Red River trying out my first craft fair this October. I've been watching a lot of your videos for tips and tricks. Thanks for your excellent content.
Good luck, it's a fun way to earn a little extra money but it is a lot of effort.
Became a turner largely because of your videos. Opening my webshop tomorrow! Still a pure rookie but am training as much as I can :)
Hey, don't blame me. Thanks
@@wortheffort blame you? I dont understand at all :/
@@vrstepper1204 twas joke., i.e. don't blame me for your addiction to turning.
@@wortheffort ah, subtle stuff gets me lost sometimes. You are an inspiration and a big help. I have my own little homestead here in sweden and a non insulated workshop. It tricky to get clean finish cuts when its -20celsius ;)
About the paint, i heard that some turner use glue instead. What do you think?
use whatever will stop water from leaving the end grain. Glue sounds expensive to me though, but I'm kinda cheap (poor) so ...
Man, I would really be interested to know how you got your start, did you own some sort of other business first? Or has woodworking paid for everything including your shop you show in the beginning of this video? Just curious because I would love to do that. And am an aspiring woodworker/turner myself.
He has told his life story in detail in many of the videos, keep watching the channel and he tells more than you have asked here. I have learned woodturning on my own and the first lessons was @wortheffort series which is very insightful and indepth. Shawn discusses saving money and investing on essential tools and explaining what you do not need, supporting his business based on TH-cam teaching, going to art markets. So of you dream of that, keep watching and the rest is doing a business plan, every entrepreneur need to to that themself for the products, markets, local price range, taxes, regulations, sales channels etc. This channel is pure gold.
15:56 how will you handle that knothole when you finish the bowl?
Keep turning and sell it as rustic. You never know what you'll find inside so you take what you can get. Likely I'll fill the cracks in the knot with turquoise.
I have a question
I watch guys beat the daylights out themselves roughing in a piece because they don't remove small pertrutions from their pieces
Now they have bandsaw and chainsaw so is there any benefit to removing them on the lathe versus the other tools
Now in these situations the material is completely removed
It's a matter of efficiency. Does it take more time to turn off or saw off. Beating yourself up is more a matter of tool control and pressing into "air" during a rotation.
It took 5min of video so However long that is in real life and it appears to be very difficult for them with the tools jumping around sounding like da da da real sharp it just seems to me that starting with the best surface the easier it would be on both the Turner and the lathe
I'm sorry I started rambling and forgot to thank you for your reply
I have a Jet 1442vs, any suggestions on which chuck to get?
Vicmar or Oneway are the only brands I'd trust for a lifetime right now. I use a stronghold and wouldn't mind having a couple more exactly the same.
wortheffort thank you
So to dry the wood you painted half of it. You said that I could use paint, how about melted wax or glue?
use whatever works
I see your a jet fan how do you like them so far ? Thanks John
Best value I could find on the used market at the time of purchase except for the mini lathe which Jet dominates that class.
@@wortheffort thanks I have there 10- 14 now but looking to upgrade so I can get into bowls . It was my dad's and the 4th time I used it the capacitor blew I think I over loaded it but was an easy fix at 35 bucks. Never had a problem since . Thanks for the input I just subscribed. ......take care John
What exactly do you use to seal the ends?
Lots of options. Google "endgrain sealer". I'm preferring SealCoat original now.
Playback at 1.5X speed for best efx (little gear icon)
A friend of mine is a arborist and he was cutting a tree and brought me a couple pieces with no bark how can i dry them i will not be able to cut or turn for 2 months they are about 7x11x14
See my video on free hardwood and drying.
What does the sawdust do in the process?
Lay there?
you need a 4 wheeler with a trailer sign..lmao ..thats quite the trek to put the sign out.
is your slacker stack made up mostly of pine?
+webslinger67 I don't turn softwoods despite living in syp country.
wortheffort Roger that...I'm still new to turning so identifying wood still eludes me lol
Oh and thanks for more frequent videos lately. Where in Texas are you?
Hi at the risk of sounding stupid, rustolium what is it ? . Can’t seem to find it in the uk 🇬🇧
spray paint
I was interested in you mentioning other woodworking projects like boxes, with a lot of wood being cut off on the bandsaw and chucked into a bin, do you use any of that to make other projects or is it just firewood??…Wood is expensive and to waist is a big no no especially when dried or nearly dry, just interested in your ideas.
Marc
No I didn't save it because if it went into the bin it was either too small to use or way to punky/cracked. None of this was dry, it was all straight from a tree or scraps from a lumber mill I know. Square boxes I usually have to buy the material. Round ones come from spindle blanks. You'll see in a few days.
wortheffort Thank mate. Always nice to know what happens to the leftover bits....Thanks for your time 👍🏼😊
Why do you paint the ends?
To stop moisture escape.
😅🤣😂 I have 3 slacker stacks of black walnut that is all cracked and split. Guess someday I'll get to it.
I just read somewhere that the minerals they put in paint are really hard on cutting edges...
wood's harder and I know how to sharpen.
Since you do this professionally, you really need to get some custom bowl tool rests. RoboHippy Robo Rest perhaps. Watch his vid on turning a bowl with scrapers only. I'm sold
You recognize he sells scrapers and tool rests? Might be a bias there.
if you like music videos this is for you not me!!!!!!!!!
Du machst das bestimmt sehr gut. Und es war auch bestimmt eine Menge Arbeit, das viele Holz zum trocknen vorzubereiten. Jedoch Dein Video ist zu lang und zu nervig. Sorry, ich mußte Dich bei 18.23 abschalten, weil Ich Deine unerträgliche Micky Mouse Stimme einfach nicht mehr aushalten konnte. Merke: weniger ist mehr!
you did not explain what part you painted and what part you did not paint. you showed allot of turning _usless_ and did not talk about drying and preventing cracks. Crappy video.