Having been taught by Andy in university on the topic of philosophy of mind, this man really really knows what he’s talking about. His knowledge and questioning reach places that ordinary thought would never enter and I find these videos fascinating, even though I’m not sure where I sit philosophically on the matter. Thank you for another great Andy Clark video!
Lisa Feldman Barrett, neuroscientist has some great insights on how emotions are made using the predictive brain model. This somehow makes more sense than traditional theories!
Absolutely fascinating and provocative interview. I watched it twice to be certain that I heard everything. Speaking of hearing, I am severely challenged to understand everything so I always use closed captions. Your programs have captions that are almost simultaneous with the audio. I love it. Thank you for that and for your always interesting and informative posts. Please keep them coming. 👏
Nice to see Kuhn applying his background knowledge here. Also consider the areas of Model Predictive Control, Adaptive Control, and Concept Attainment (both for education and machine learning).
Wow.! One of the smartest people I have ever listen to and one of your best interviews you have done with perfect questions. Now when concerning this subject and combining it with "spilt brain" research were the left brain hemisphere making up an explanations for what it cannot explain and the Buddha asking "who are you" to get us to recognize that the idea the is a self is merely an illusion made up by sense of perception and as Andy here says predictions.. Prediction of what, when, where and perhaps where and how, wow..! as I am studying the consciousness as causation of experience and perception to recognize reality as something greater than as Taoism says trying to understand the unlimited with a limited mind. I will be thinking on this for some period of time. I am grateful to have be able to listen to this interview perhaps more than many, thank you for aiding my journey of personal discovery....!
It's interesting that Buddhists have been saying that the personal self is an illusion for thousands of years, based on extensive meditation and self-reflection. That's just accepted as a reasonable view. This is also reported by many people who use hallucinogenic drugs, that the sense of self melts away, so is clearly not a permanent immutable fact. However when neuroscientists and physicalist philosophers say the exact same thing based on the latest evidence and theory, it's treated by a lot of people as some ludicrously absurd thing to say.
I think that's intrinsic to the nature of consciousness though. It's what it's for. Our self-awareness of our own internal thought processes enables us to reason about them, come to conclusions about their accuracy and effectiveness, and self-modify the way we think. We decide that this emotional response was counterproductive, that way of trying to solve a problem didn't work, we decide we don't know enough about this problem and need to learn more. So it enables an iterative process of change in our own reasoning. That's reflective reasoning at the high level, in terms of knowledge and thought processes, but analysing ourselves at the physical level is just an extension of the basic purpose of consciousness.
One of the most enlightening interviews in the series. Andy’s book is a great resource on this model. A question - how and when do the models used for comparison actually develop? Continuously? How do they develop in individuals with sensory dysfunction? Regardless, I believe this “Predictive Brain “ model is on the right track. One other thought , how does this jive w Tononi’s IIT model.
The human brain without eyes can only operates through vibrations and sound waves exactly the same way bets uses sound waves and vibrations to navigate through dark places. Human eyes are design for understanding different colors and navigating distance for the brain and more. The five senses are actually split into two separate fields that are entwined together at the the base of the brain and spine so they can constantly keep mimick each other to form a one operational unit which give rise to consciousness and feel taste smell and sound which give rise to awareness and more like reading writing concentrating and working the right and left simultaneously.
Andy Clark seems to be referring to the Bayesian Brain Hypothesis and Free Energy Principle, it makes a lot of sense and seems to complement other theories such as Integrated Information Theory.
Decent level of the discution. However, the sensorial, cognitive, illusory, imaginative, etc, processes performed by the biological brain are in fact the same material functional process taking place in it. For example, the "illusion" process uses "defected" memorized blocks or broken memory blocks, etc. Dreams processes use the same "unfinished", "unpolished", corrupted, old, and "illusory" memory blocks, etc. However, all of these and everything taking place in the brain are the result of the same basic real functional process. Correctly understood in its basic functioning it is easily applied to a full artificial "brain" to make it function 100% conscious, because at the base of its functional expression it is found absolutely the same real material process.
Good question. On the one hand, our brains are wired generally the same. Using a certain type of brain imaging, it can be shown that activity patterns in the brain can be shown to represent particular objects you might be looking at. In fact, during a dream involvig a person’s face (very generally), those activity patterns can be detected. At the neuronal level and below, however, the activity is extremely complex and dependent on very complex structural features (synapses, receptors, ionic currents, voltages, etc. Your decision to reach for an apple can be detected before you move your hand. However, if you are thinking about whether you will win the lottery, no.
I don't believe I have ever heard Andy speak before.. This interview was not only insightful but is also very difficult to find any faults.. One opinion.
"Is consciousness an atomized illusion of biological organisms in a meaningless universe, or is it an extension of nature's ongoing creative process?" ~Adrian Nelson #OC #p3
Well it depends on how much weed i smoke and how good it is, for me at least. I cant stay sober cuz im an evil genius mastermind and i dont WANT to take over the universe, so im chillin with a fatty listening to this instead... your welcome
We need you though. Otherwise we're stuck with squares telling the entire story and calling all the shots! don't give up on the world. Alcohol will kill ya really fast, I hope by sober you just meant weed.
Predict figure out brain funcions though neuroscience proceedings are impossible validation so far. Guys believes perception could shows uo brains funcion reality. He are absolutely wrong because he see brains tiny funcions though it as axiom. He is narrow mind . Brains funcions are extensively complex thar science unknown it true proceedings.
I'm glad they chose to coordinate their outfits for the interview.
Having been taught by Andy in university on the topic of philosophy of mind, this man really really knows what he’s talking about. His knowledge and questioning reach places that ordinary thought would never enter and I find these videos fascinating, even though I’m not sure where I sit philosophically on the matter. Thank you for another great Andy Clark video!
is he as cool as searle who says the brain secretes thoughts like the gall bladder secretes bile?
western philosophy of mind is a bad joke.
Lisa Feldman Barrett, neuroscientist has some great insights on how emotions are made using the predictive brain model. This somehow makes more sense than traditional theories!
Andy Clark is a good british philosopher.
Great cognitive thinker.
Andy Clark is great!
Absolutely fascinating and provocative interview. I watched it twice to be certain that I heard everything.
Speaking of hearing, I am severely challenged to understand everything so I always use closed captions. Your programs have captions that are almost simultaneous with the audio. I love it.
Thank you for that and for your always interesting and informative posts. Please keep them coming. 👏
Geeze, one of the best episodes here. Great job Dr. et al. 🤔👏
One of the more important interviews in this series! I'm so glad Kuhn wants to find the most important answers for us!
Nice to see Kuhn applying his background knowledge here. Also consider the areas of Model Predictive Control, Adaptive Control, and Concept Attainment (both for education and machine learning).
Robert Sapolsky is releasing a book next month called Determined. Please consider having a conversation with him.
Wow.! One of the smartest people I have ever listen to and one of your best interviews you have done with perfect questions. Now when concerning this subject and combining it with "spilt brain" research were the left brain hemisphere making up an explanations for what it cannot explain and the Buddha asking "who are you" to get us to recognize that the idea the is a self is merely an illusion made up by sense of perception and as Andy here says predictions.. Prediction of what, when, where and perhaps where and how, wow..! as I am studying the consciousness as causation of experience and perception to recognize reality as something greater than as Taoism says trying to understand the unlimited with a limited mind. I will be thinking on this for some period of time. I am grateful to have be able to listen to this interview perhaps more than many, thank you for aiding my journey of personal discovery....!
It's interesting that Buddhists have been saying that the personal self is an illusion for thousands of years, based on extensive meditation and self-reflection. That's just accepted as a reasonable view. This is also reported by many people who use hallucinogenic drugs, that the sense of self melts away, so is clearly not a permanent immutable fact. However when neuroscientists and physicalist philosophers say the exact same thing based on the latest evidence and theory, it's treated by a lot of people as some ludicrously absurd thing to say.
There’s no bigger irony than brain functions trying to understand how brain functions work.
Exactly and insightful. Two brains babbling about themselves in 3rd person completely unaware of that going on. It's inteli-babble.
Oh indeed it seems that we are dealing with recursive epistemology here. reality is pretty much fractal, above and below….
I think that's intrinsic to the nature of consciousness though. It's what it's for. Our self-awareness of our own internal thought processes enables us to reason about them, come to conclusions about their accuracy and effectiveness, and self-modify the way we think. We decide that this emotional response was counterproductive, that way of trying to solve a problem didn't work, we decide we don't know enough about this problem and need to learn more. So it enables an iterative process of change in our own reasoning. That's reflective reasoning at the high level, in terms of knowledge and thought processes, but analysing ourselves at the physical level is just an extension of the basic purpose of consciousness.
Not irony
Uh, it’s called recursion 🙂
andy clark "on form" and robert kuhn in familiar territory makes for a good interview
Thank you for making important knowledge accessible.
Thank you so much, Apurva! 💫
This guy just looks smart
great interviewer
One of the most enlightening interviews in the series. Andy’s book is a great resource on this model. A question - how and when do the models used for comparison actually develop? Continuously? How do they develop in individuals with sensory dysfunction? Regardless, I believe this “Predictive Brain “ model is on the right track. One other thought , how does this jive w Tononi’s IIT model.
The human brain without eyes can only operates through vibrations and sound waves exactly the same way bets uses sound waves and vibrations to navigate through dark places.
Human eyes are design for understanding different colors and navigating distance for the brain and more.
The five senses are actually split into two separate fields that are entwined together at the the base of the brain and spine so they can constantly keep mimick each other to form a one operational unit which give rise to consciousness and feel taste smell and sound which give rise to awareness and more like reading writing concentrating and working the right and left simultaneously.
Awareness is known by awareness alone.
Andy Clark seems to be referring to the Bayesian Brain Hypothesis and Free Energy Principle, it makes a lot of sense and seems to complement other theories such as Integrated Information Theory.
I want to see his RI talk! What happened tot that!
Decent level of the discution.
However, the sensorial, cognitive, illusory, imaginative, etc, processes performed by the biological brain are in fact the same material functional process taking place in it.
For example, the "illusion" process uses "defected" memorized blocks or broken memory blocks, etc.
Dreams processes use the same "unfinished", "unpolished", corrupted, old, and "illusory" memory blocks, etc.
However, all of these and everything taking place in the brain are the result of the same basic real functional process.
Correctly understood in its basic functioning it is easily applied to a full artificial "brain" to make it function 100% conscious, because at the base of its functional expression it is found absolutely the same real material process.
Would the same electrical signals going on in my brain generating my private thoughts and emotions translate exactly the same in another person?
Good question. On the one hand, our brains are wired generally the same. Using a certain type of brain imaging, it can be shown that activity patterns in the brain can be shown to represent particular objects you might be looking at. In fact, during a dream involvig a person’s face (very generally), those activity patterns can be detected. At the neuronal level and below, however, the activity is extremely complex and dependent on very complex structural features (synapses, receptors, ionic currents, voltages, etc. Your decision to reach for an apple can be detected before you move your hand. However, if you are thinking about whether you will win the lottery, no.
I don't believe I have ever heard Andy speak before.. This interview was not only insightful but is also very difficult to find any faults.. One opinion.
Similar to Joscha Bach consciousness explanation… it being a model or - a story the brain tells itself. Wish dr Kuhn would have him on
Given the role of dopamine, then the predictive brain model seems to be a good prediction ;)
His shirt shows me this is recorded in 2037
"Is consciousness an atomized illusion of biological organisms in a meaningless universe, or is it an extension of nature's ongoing creative process?" ~Adrian Nelson #OC #p3
Well it depends on how much weed i smoke and how good it is, for me at least. I cant stay sober cuz im an evil genius mastermind and i dont WANT to take over the universe, so im chillin with a fatty listening to this instead... your welcome
We need you though. Otherwise we're stuck with squares telling the entire story and calling all the shots! don't give up on the world. Alcohol will kill ya really fast, I hope by sober you just meant weed.
@@bennyskim yup just bud lol, also very true
Functionalism is the only coherent view of the mind
Predict figure out brain funcions though neuroscience proceedings are impossible validation so far. Guys believes perception could shows uo brains funcion reality. He are absolutely wrong because he see brains tiny funcions though it as axiom. He is narrow mind . Brains funcions are extensively complex thar science unknown it true proceedings.
How do human brains function? That’s easy. They don’t.
how? it functions just like god wants it and everything else to function
the future of brain science will mostly likely be handed over to AI systems...
I think you could extend that to all science will be handed over to AI systems. It's already started and AI is in its infancy.
@@johnyharris maybe it's to early for everything but I won't be surprised if it happens though :)
Which would be as misleading as present day speculative perception.
@@Bob-v3g4m not if super intelligent agents are involved... their capabilities will exceed ours many times...
@@r2c3 A.I. is not intelligent, cannot be due to its origin. It is functional, limited, always limited.