Thin Client for Windows XP and 98 SE Retro PC Gaming
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Really nice performance on those games there. Especially when you consider the size of the machine. Perfect to carry around on the go.
Yea the Windows performance is decent, especially with a graphics card, but DOS performance is outstanding, it chews through any game, even at high resolutions.
hey man love ur vids never knew u watch phil
the commenter: Yeah I usually watch the videos. Sometimes drop a comment.
ah ok what games do you recommend for my macbook pro mid 2009 2.53ghz c2d that would easily run
the commenter does it have intel integrated graphics or a mobile GPU?
Phil, thank you for doing a video on this, definitely am looking at getting one.
I had the idea of using a Thin Client for retro gaming, but never had the chance to do it! Glad to see you made a video on it.
Thanks for video, found one of these locally just for $8 (without RAM, CF card and power adapter). Definitly would buy it!
What a lovely little machine! Super cute, and fanless too!
I really want one now..
Keep up the great work Phil - your channel makes me happy. :)
Thank you I enjoyed that. I don't think a Thin Client for Gaming is for me but you never know what the future holds. Thank you again.
I'd get one considering how well it runs DOS and earlier 3D Windows games.
Thanks Phil for showing the capabilities of the machine, I've often seen it on eBay so I've been curious on how good it actually is.
Phil this is the best retro PC gaming on the go
Looks like a fun little machine.
Thanks Phil !
Professionally done, thank you.
That’s an interesting take on the retro gamin PC concept!
Sure it is ;v
I just ordered one device.
Thanks for the 20% discount.
Luckily I live in germany, so shipping costs aren't that much :-)
I’ve actually got those same speakers, amazing deal on Amazon. They look a lot like the old Apple Pro Speakers and the sound amazing!
Awesome little machine!
I love to see these types of machines in use. The VIA cpu was highly underrated IMO. You could say you have the last of the cyrix cpu line since that's what Via built it on. Shame they didn't go forward with the CPU for desktop platform would have been nice to give blue and red some competition. Great review as always mate I may pick one of these up myself.
The VIA CPUs that actually got released are not based on Cyrix designs, but on Centaur designs (the design house behind the IDT WinChip CPUs). VIA bought both Cyrix and Centaur in short succession and what remained of Cyrix after mismanagement by National Semiconductors (who bought Cyrix a few years earlier) was not able to complete the successor to the 6x86MX/MII in time. So VIA just released a Centaur-CPU as "Cyrix III" to make some use of the Cyrix brand, later shortened to "VIA C3", succeeded by the "VIA C7".
You probably don't remember when they came out then. These CPUs were absolutely terrible and completely unsuited to modern tasks of the day. Don't forget that this demonstration is pretty much the best case scenario and well beyond what was possible at the time: old games (Half Life released in 1998, C3 came out in 2001 a full year after P4s for example), SSD storage and graphics cards that didn't even exist yet when this CPU was sold (Geforce 6*** released in 2004).
@aussiebear22 no they arent, Zhaoxin is paper only, you cant buy them anywhere because they dont exist outside experimental tapeout engineering samples (if even that).
Chinese AMD chips arent working around any US trade restrictions, those were directed solely at Intel Xeons. Chinese Ryzens are 100% AMD designs, its purely a fictional financial engineering endeavour to bypass high Chinese import taxes.
In China everything is smoke and mirrors.
VIA C7-M 1.2 GHz has a raw integer CPU performance comparable to HALF of Celeron 900, so around P3 450MHz from 1999, FPU is even slower, around 300-400MHz Intel Celeron.
There is nothing underrated about those CPUs.
The C3 and C7 CPUs were designed to use low amounts of power, and were fine in their intended uses in Mini-ITX embedded systems: digital signage, EPOS, data logging from lab equipment, and the like. But yes, compared to contemporary AMD and Intel CPUs, they were slow.
keep up the great work i really like your channel
I am interested to see if an Audigy would have made and appreciable difference in gaming performance. I remember those cards lightening the load off of the CPU enough to give extra frames in a number of games. Thank you for giving an in-depth look at the systems capabilities, I think I may try to find one for use as a portable retro machine. Thanks for making my night Phil! 😊
I often saw the Terra Machines in Hospitals and Doctor Offices in Germany. They put them on the back of Monitors with the Vesa Mount. Today they use more of the Zodac Machines.
Revisiting this, it's worth pointing out that Phil now has a community-updated BIOS for this on his website, which fixes the integrated graphics issue. I've never seen one of these on eBay in the UK, but it might be relevant in your region.
These little machines are awesome for retro gaming stations that can do double duty as an htpc as well, lightweight, low power, small footprint, and generally good enough specs for light duty work. The only drawback to using one of these is the lack of expansion but for retro that is not really a factor. Interesting fact the Asus RoG Maximus III Extreme p55 LGA 1156 high end 1st gen Core i motherboards use a VIA audio chip.
Double as HTPC? Not a model like this, to be sure. I guess you're thinking of a usff (ultra small form factor) PC, not a thin client.
Hey Phil, here's my holy grail Windows XP build, for fun:
- plus point for DVD drive to browse the whole library from the date and before, minus point without DVD
- plus point for use of the best possible low profile graphics card compatible with XP. Minus point, if no graphics card.
- must have the smallest possible case
- can look like an appliance case from the 2000s, bonus point for being a beige ITX case.
- can use modern components for a sleeper PC's performance
- plus point for including a floppy drive with card reader combo
- plus point for external components in single color: white VS black
- minus point, if cube case. point recovered if using a 5.25 bay spectrum analyser
- must play HL2 flawlessly
Thank you for your work and your time
What do you think about NEOWARE CA10 ?
This looks like exactly what I need for my old DOS / old Windows retro gaming machine. I wish you would have tested some older games though like Lemmings.
We tested Windows 98 and XP. DOS is tested in another video!
pci riser cards are available on ebay, but you will need to double-down on the search terms "PCI" to get a decent "PCI-to-PCI" adapter, but yes it is available & getting an 'AWE-16' or '24-bit_soundblaster (PCI)' added is pretty cool.
Hahaha Phil ! my cat like your voice !
I highly recommend the HP T510 thinclients. really good VIA 1Ghz Duel-core processor, Sata and 44pin IDE drive interfaces, mini PCI-e (can adapt to 1x PCI-e) can take up to 4gb RAM and often come with a very useful 16GB DOM SSD, happily runs Win7 and have a low power draw. They are so good I use one as my daily second computer
Unlikely to have drivers for windows 98 though so not really useable as a retro gaming pc
Great video Phil. As usual :)
the bolt holes on the case cover is for a VESA mount
Thanks for making a video on this. My bf has talked about wanting a Win98/XP and I think this might be the perfect budget option, especially if it can fit something like a TNT2 in there. I would consider my spare V3, but unfortunately my last one died and I still have no clue if it was a capacitor problem, or if the card just overheated and died, so I don't like using them without fans anymore, heh.
Hi Phil, Another back to back great set of videos, you must be working 24/7 on these again.
Nice to see some one else listens to 2CH at times.
Re the OEM hard drive, i also wonder if it was installed upside down on those mounting holes, you should measure them and see if they are fan spec ( eg 80mm or so ) or will fit a hard drive cradle, they could have run with long IDE cables similar to how some android based media centres are - i have at home on the spare TV and have to be careful when i open it up as there is some extra cable length but you have to remember not to undo the lid and automatically move it to far away :)
The other option would be if there was a cradle that was mounted on the edge of the machine just above the PCI slot, i also wonder if anyone makes a "fake" PCI card with 90 degree bend so that it just slots into the bus for support and is not electrically connected
Re the onboard sound, i dont think i have had any success with AC97 dos drivers, so pure dos is no go, and you would have to use win98 and then exit to dos or PIF edit the file.
With the XP installation, my 1 x Retail XP CD and the 2 education versions ( they are retail but sold via schools with no tax they were about$15 at the time compared to retail $80 - they are also upgrades all you need is pre exisitng Win95 or Win98, or you can use a blank hard drive and insert the Win95 disk 1 or Win 98 disk 1 or Cd's ) that i bought brand new and never used, all install and work fine, but they will not authenticate via Microsoft, i know they dont support XP updates anymore, but now you cant permanently install the OS on a old machine or reformat a existing system and reuse the same serial number, i left 2 separate machines online for 4 days and still noting happened. So that is why i bought the Dell desktop and Toshiba laptop and use the OEM restore CD's as they donot validate - are you having the same problem with fresh XP remaining a 30 day trial
Again nice work.... I am surprised no one asked for Linux OS versions
Yea when I got the unit I was ready to go, but the missing riser was a stopper. I'm waiting for some storage adapters to arrive, so I will muck around with that in a few weeks time.
Same power supply ascomes with the Startech rackmount KVMs we've bought. They do fail more than I'd like, usually after a couple of years.
I think you should get and a test the Alenware Alpha R1. Thing is still a small beast with i7 and 16 gigs of ram. Should be a very popular video
It is decent, I'm thinking about a similar thin client for W98 gaming, but if I can I would use a Sound Blaster in the PCI slot but I'm worried about the compatibility of the on-board S3 graphics processor. So lately I'm leaning more towards the Thinkpad T40/41/42 with Radeon 7500 or 9000.
I mentioned it on another of your thin client vids, but if you want to use CF cards with XP or newer, try getting your hands on an _industrial_ CF card.
I have 2 of them with my other ones, I didn't notice until you mentioned it
Oh man this makes me regret throwing out an old ibm thinclient with a first gen Pentium in it, might have made a cool retro gamer, had the same c.f. card interface and pci riser
I have the same CompactFlash card and stopped using it in an adapter in my XP laptop because of the swap file problem. As you mentioned it's because it is a Removable Disk. This is actually a Mode of CF Cards and it is possible to change them to "Fixed" Mode to resolve these problems. I wasn't able to get the ATCFWCHG program to operate correctly even under Windows 98, though. I found that certain Windows Installer packages wouldn't install with the CF Card as well; either because of the swap file issue or because of the CF card being identified as removable.
Yea I will get myself one of these 44 pin IDE to mSATA adapters together with a little SSD.
This machine would make a really nice mediacenter. Add a GPU with TV-out and/or HDMI and there you go. Silent, small, doesn't use too much power. It would be very interesting to see if linux works on it.
Linux is actually mentioned on the datasheet, but I know almost nothing about Linux I'm afraid.
For Windows 98 and integrated S3 AGP Video card, try to change AGP aperture size in BIOS, if there is such option there.
I'm curious about this retro-gaming-on-thin-client concept as I am tempted to get a secondary PC for retro gaming but space is an issue. Would you see any reason why I could not hook up an external DVD drive (an internal, I assume, is out of the question) and insert an EAX compatible sound card? EAX (and similar nowadays unsupported audio technologies) alongside a 32-bit OS are the main reasons for me to consider a retro PC for gaming.
Picking a system that has GPU drivers for XP and 98 SE is extremely important for getting a retro gaming system up and running.
Phil: does the Windows 98SE's DOS work WITH sound? I noticed there were no "legacy" section in control panel, but did you get that working? If it would work, one could possibly use that machine as a DOS&Windows with graphics card (otherwise one would need to change between sound card and graphics card: dos win98).
I found a 90 degrees riser adapter that fits the PCI card perfectly in the case: the Delock 89087.
Nice!
I did a bit of researching, and the red PCI riser is a 1U riser, while the green Delock one is a 2U riser. Apparently there are standard sizes for these things.
Awesome, thanks for sharing. Such little tips will always come handy!
I have to warn you though, I ran into some trouble with the Delock riser: the pins on the riser can short with the lid of the unit! It is solved by covering the pins on the riser with some tape, but beware of this as it can fry your thin client.
hmm.. looks like a Voodoo3 pci would fit after all - the SGR version at least. STB might collide with the CMOS battery because of its feature connector placement.
Great video as always! I would just like to say thanks for putting the time and effort into your videos, I really enjoy your retro gaming pc builds and have build my own windows 2000 gaming pc, when searching for the drivers for my raid controller your website was the only one with drivers that worked,. thank you so much for having drivers on your website as I find it harder everyday to find drivers for old hardware. I am having trouble with this pc as it keeps randomly crashing, it doesn't bluescreen it just totaly locks up the system during games do you have any suggestions how to fix it?
Thanks again!
-Izzy
That could be anything really! The RAM is likely the first thing I would swap out.
Thanks, I will try that
If I were to run XP in a Virtual Machine to play Mechwarrior 4, what PCI video card would you recommend that I get as a pass through. The board I am thinking of using is M-ATX and has only 1 PCI-E x16 slot, 1 PCI-E x1 slot, and 1 PCI slot. The board also has an amd 3000hd integrated graphics chip. Do I use the on board graphics chip as a pass through or do I get a PCI video card?
i wonder if the VooDoo3 2000/3000 pci versions would fit in there
i know you probably couldn't help it :D but when i see the screen wobble, i thought it was mine and reached to stop it lol.
Great work Phil! :) I have ordered one with the 20% discount. Thanks for that offer. At the same time i buyed another wortmann model (TK3378) from ebay with an optical DVD Ram on the top (including in the topcover) Very nice. Its a standard Notebookdrive with slotin mechanism. The both cases are identical. Intern there is a second DDR2 ram slot. There was a original HDD too with a standard 2,5 metalframe screwed directly on the mainboard (directly over the CF Card slot) with a 2,5 44pin pata samsung HM160C (160GB, 5400rpm) and at last an original PCi Riser 90 degree. ;) At this point i have some issues with the cf card(16GB). After the install from the win98se cd it will do the first boot and there come an error "out of ram" and it doesnt load the desktop of win98. I dont know what it means. The machine has 2GB of DDR2 ram? I will try in the next day to install an old 16GB SSD. Otherwise i will try it with an usbstick. How do you install the win98? with a bootable usb stick or with a cdrom? for your information: there are some nice "goodies" for this machine. For example: a vesa mountingframe for install the case behind a standard screen with "vesa holes" at the back and two plastic feets for the safe vertical use of the case. Thanks again Phil for this video(s) and greetings from germany :)
Windows 98 can only do up to 512MB RAM. So that's your issue :)
Can you link to such a 3378 machine? I couldn't find anything on eBay.
here are the infos for the machine: www.golem.de/0902/65214.html
and a greater photo: scr3.golem.de/?d=0902/Wortmann_TerraThinclient&a=65214&s=1
I dont find one at ebay in the moment too. I buyed it from a private customer. :( if i will find one further i send you the link.
shit, i forgot the limitation of ram. ;) By the way, i found a workaround where you can use 1GB of ram: To limit access to 1 GB of RAM on Win98. Eventually its helpful for some guys (but first install win98 with maximum of 512MB ram!):
To work around this issue, add the following line to the [386enh] section of the System.ini file:
MaxPhysPage=40000
This limits the amount of physical RAM that Windows can access to 1 GB. To add this line, use the following steps:
Use any text editor (such as Notepad) to open the System.ini file in the Windows folder.
Add the following line in the [386Enh] section of the file:
MaxPhysPage=40000
Save the file, and then restart your computer.
Hey Phil, why aren't you using a recent version of Aida64 instead of that ancient Everest version which doesn't even recognize the VIA CPU and chipset correctly?
I'll check it out.
I don't remember any issue with pagefiles with a XP POS version installing it on a USB with a Dell fx 160.
I currently have a P3 laptop I use for DOS gaming, but I'm curious, does the integrated sound card works with DOS games?
I might ditch the laptop for this one, since I have issues with it
idk if it does, but you can use the parallel port with one of the newer ad lib parts that use that port.
It does not. I only got DOS sound with the integrated sound card when running DOS games from within Windows 98. You really want a dedicated PCI sound card to be honest.
hi phil,
where are the driver for Win 98se and Win XP?
thank you
Cheers for this mate! Having trouble finding the Lan, audio and video drivers for the xp install... could you kindly point me in the right direction ?
The drivers are on the VIA website. The Ethernet drivers from Realtek website.
nice computer
Is there a particular sound card that you could recommend for a Windows XP gaming setup? the system I'd be putting it in to, could handle either PCI or PCI-e 1x for the job. I just really need something better than the Realtek ALC662 it has, that can actually handle EAX properly in the OS.
The TK-3772 has VIA onboard sound and is actually quite decent. I'd rather upgrade the graphics card.
Actually, I was asking for my "OP tier" Windows XP machine. Its onboard is a Realtek ALC662, and it's pretty garbage in audio quality, even though its drivers do at least attempt to support EAX for games. I was asking what would be something worth considering for that system?
So by not working the onboard gpu on Windows 98,it eliminates the use of the Voodoo1,last possible solutions are Banshee or Voodoo 3,but I think they wont fit in there just like with the Voodoo2.
I think its not that useful for XP in general,it will struggle in heavier staff but for Windows 98 I think its best to have a TNT2 or a Geforce 4MX,256mb ram and maybe a usb dvdrom and this machine will fly,it can even been connected to a crt TV that way for superb retro gaming.
The VESA driver still works, remember for V1 you don't need a second 3D card, it just needs to be 2D. The V1 should work with even the stock VGA driver loaded. Plus you have the DOS V1 games, which IMO are more interesting. Like Tomb Raider for example. But yea, it's certainly an exercise of setting your priorities and thinking about what you want to do with this machine.
Great project, I hope you can get the 9x drivers working. I had a P3-era laptop that had one of the S3 IGPs and it did really well with win9x (high res texture support). I did a little searching and there's a company called iBase that published CN700 video drivers (16.01.23.21) for model FWA7304. Also I wonder if you could try drivers for one of the other UniChrome Pro chipsets (wikipedia has a list). The XP drivers are packaged with VN800 and searching "VEN_1106&DEV_3344" suggests p4m800 drivers may work too.
I've spent days working on this, I do hope that the community will try out some other drivers and hopefully there is a solution. Maybe someone can patch the BIOS or something.
I tried all drivers I could find, eben hacked my own based on the XP drivers (exactly the P4M800 as listed here). No luck with all of them, still the same issue. :(
@@Estaran yes same tried loads of different ones no joy.
Well have you tried dedicating less memory to the via graphics adapter?
I don't think I have.
confirming that a regular STB Voodoo3 fits fine - wiggling it in is slightly annoying so you'll probably won't want to swap it around too often, and I would recommend putting a bit of iso tape on the cap near the CMOS battery as the V3 J2 connector is just maybe 1.5mm away. the important thing is that if you are serious about this, you'll definitely want a Terra unit that includes the original pci riser - the one I got from the seller is a 3rdparty unit that moves the card about 2mm away from the backplate, so it's not possible to screw it to the place (first picture). the computer also accepts ide flash drives, and they fit nicely right under the Voodoo3 (second picture).
i.imgur.com/ADhod02.jpg
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Hey man, thanks for the update! Yea, look this was my first thin client project, so I learnt a lot as for what to watch out. I'm on the lookout for other models that are suitable for the channel, so there will be definitely more. I'm also getting some storage options for the 44 pin IDE, and will try some PCI sound cards. The machines are really a lot of fun :D
yeah - the angled Apacer flash drive on the second picture is ideal, but can be pretty expensive if you want more than 4GB (that should be enough for win9x or even xp).
ps47voodoo3dfx Tried a YMF744 sound card today and it works really well!
I've tried to load XP onto that 2GB flash drive from the second picture, and everything went fine, about 600MB free left after installing the drivers and shrinking the windows swap file a bit. should be enough for a couple of old games, and more can always be loaded from external storage devices if need be.
How much RAM did you have on Windows 98? Try it with 256 or 512MB and maybe the onboard will work. Or possibly try lowering the VRAM for it.
Salut Phil, j’adore tes vidéos, ça m’aide beaucoup dans mes choix.
D’accord, la vidéo a 5 ans, mais peut-être que la solution est pour tous les graphiques S3.
Pour le problème de fréquence avec les pilotes graphiques VIA S3, toutes les versions de pilotes.
J’ai eu la même chose sur un EPIA-M, j’ai redémarré en mode sans échec et j’ai seulement désinstallé S3 Display car il interfère avec les paramètres de Windows.
Ma configuration :
- Pilotes EPIA-M avec VIA C3 1 GHz (Nehemiah) à partir du CD d’origine
- Élixir 512Mo DDR-400 CL3
- Hercules Muse XL (CMI8738) avec vos pilotes
- Windows 98 se (FR) non modifié, nusbfr 3.3
- DirectX 7.0a et 9.0c ont également été testés.
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Hi Phil, I love your videos, it helps me a lot in my choices.
Okay, the video is 5 years old, but maybe the solution is for all S3 graphics.
For the frequency issue with VIA S3 graphics drivers, all driver versions.
I had the same thing on an EPIA-M, rebooted in Safe Mode, and only uninstalled the S3 Display because it interferes with Windows settings.
My configuration:
- EPIA-M with VIA C3 1 GHz (Nehemiah) drivers from the original CD
- Elixir 512Mb DDR-400 CL3
- Hercules Muse XL (CMI8738) with your drivers
- Windows 98 se (FR) unmodified, nusbfr 3.3
- DirectX 7.0a and 9.0c tested too.
theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/via-epia-m
www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/C3/VIA-C3-1.0AGHz%20EBGA.html
Amazing tips, thank you so much!
are CF to Compact flash adapters slower in performance? or can I expect this kind of performance if I use an adapter and for example a 64gb sd card? (real compact flash cards are 3 times more expensive than this machine)
Do you mean IDE to SD? In general, yes CF cards are more expensive.
haha, I didn't realize I wrote it wrong, I mean SD card to Compact Flash sorry, are those adapters slower?
Hmm I've never tried a SD to CF adapter, but IDE to SD, yes they are slower. CF cards are native IDE compatible, can max out the 133MBps. The IDE to SD card, I think it does 40MBps, which is still fast.
Hi All, I have 2 older machines ( P100 and P2 using just the CF cards connected to the IDE bus, they are perfect on DOS and Win98, i also donot use a swap file in windows as there is no need with 256 or 512k ram.
I have ordered and still waiting on a SD to IDE adapter, as i have spare SD cards from my raspberry pie and android phone, the price of CF cards is high when you compared to a stock SD card of say 8 or 16G
Also you need to note the brand and speed rating of CF and SD cards, they is a very large difference in speeds in both read and write.
The reason i use these now is because i have basically 2 x 400meg IDE drives left and 1 x 2gig, as they were made approx 1995 and 2001, they are irreplaceable with like compenents, i may take phils advise and buy a SATA to PATA adapter and just use a modern drive - some day
i don't think that xp have a problem with swap because it is a memory card, it only have an issue because the card reader port is most likely connected via usb bus
good alternative for sata ssd would be mini ide>>cf adapter and then windows would see the cf card as a normal harddrive. speed would be limited to ata 133 or ata 100 as the onboard controller would be a bottleneck
I'm getting an IDE to mSATA + mSATA SSD in a few weeks :)
I feel like I should be getting import taxed watching this in the UK.
I bought a PCI riser that looks like yours, but it's quite short (2-3mm shorter) :( can you share a link or size of your riser? Thank you! (Edit: Oh! you have the same problem, I watched in other video ^^')
I had an idea about the S3 drivers under Windows 98 producing a scrambled image. I have seen a distortion exactly like that on an old LCD display I have. It was actually an issue with the display not liking the signal the computer was sending. When I checked the output with other displays the image looked normal. Have you tried connecting other displays? Perhaps a CRT?
Hmm that's interesting. So I did try 2 monitors, and the capture card, and another user on facebook also has the same issue.
That's too bad. Sorry the idea didn't work. That old display I spoke of was very picky about resolution and refresh rate. Changing either of those would often cause it to scramble and looked exactly like what you saw. It would often require power cycling both the PC and Display to get them in sync again. BUT... unfortunately it looks like you are facing a different problem. Bummer.
Excellent video and interesting retro pc !
Is the windows 98 you used the very first edition or the second edition (98SE) ? (edit: i saw it in the title just now, SE)
And would there be a difference in getting things to work in the second edition or first edition ?
Hmm I only use SE, I don't really see a reason to go with the older 98. It's like not using Windows 7 SP1 for example, and going with plain 7?
Yes, I think I see your point. Better stick with the 98SE and maybe try Windows 7 as well !
Thank you very much for your reply!
Good thing you tested it under Win98... it basically forces you to get a PCI video card, which kinda defeats the purpose. Tough decision to make before getting one of these machines
IMO if you're into gaming, you want a PCI video card anyway. The performance is better, the compatibility, more driver options. And if you're not into gaming, the VESA drivers work just fine for normal desktop work.
I get your point... the thing is that I already have a XP and a Win98 PC, and several AGP cards available but no PCI cards. I'm trying to figure out what's best in order to add a DOS PC too. I know I can work it out with the super socket 7 (I actually use a lot of your videos and tutorials, I have made that PC worked as a 3 in 1 and it was perfect), but I don't want to fuck around with enabling/disabling cache, using more than 1 HDD, etc. I guess I'll just wait for a while in order to save some extra money to buy the thin client plus a PCI video card. Anyway, as always, your videos kick some serious ass and it's always a pleasure to check your channel.
Will this sound chipset run in dos ? Like sound blaster etc ?
Isn't there already a sata port near those 2 capacitors? 3:10
I'm looking around for a low current 12 volts computer that runs windows 2000, 4 GB and a good processor.
For now I'm hitting the Wyse V90LE but it only does 1GB Ram.
Any suggestions?
Lego Rock Raiders FTW XD
lol you should try a lightweight linux distro like debian (or even puppy linux, bad name, decent os)
Why not use the 6200 with 98SE?
What the the specific model of the thin client ? Terra what ? sadly the links don't work any more
Are there laptops that use compact flash instead of a proper hard drive?
hi, i need the driver for audio i have a VIA c7-m y can install de VESA drivers from vga on win 98 but the sound.. no found the driver can you tellme where you found? please!!
AGP driver needs to be installed first before video drivers. Windows 98 has some problems with AGP drivers on some configurations
Yea that's what I did.
I bought TK-3770 (VIA Eden 1GHz CPU, rest looks pretty similar) for really cheap after watching your video, and guess what? I managed to get that Integrated GPU working under Windows 98 SE. It took me a few tries, but finally I have full color Windows desktop in 1280x1024. All it takes to make GPU run correctly is to install UniChrome Pro IGP drivers version 4.14.10.0068 AND select CRT only option in BIOS. I noticed with various drivers I had different types of glitches after boot on DVI, one type indicates drivers that won't work even with CRT only, and other apparently do work. I never managed it to boot correctly with DVI screen attached. Let me know if you need the drivers, I don't remember where I found them, but I can upload them somewhere.
Nice! If you could e-mail me that driver, that would be nice :)
@@philscomputerlab I sure did :)
Using this with DOSBOX on Linux might be worth trying. I have no clue how well it would run though :/
In WIn98se if you go to dos mode. Those the internal soundcard work and how are fx games?
You should watch the other video, it coves DOS gaming!
I am trying to install XP on a P3 733MHz but using an 8GB CF card, and it keeps saying "low HiMem error" and shuts down. Is that a normal thing? I'm using 128MB pc133 and I know XP only needs 64... so maybe some advice ?
I have been looking for a thin client that ca use a IDE laptop drive but can't get one to work
Electromyne seems to have quite a lot of these, from 15€ upwards. I wonder how well that would handle DOS/3.11... Might give it a go myself. :D
Phill's previous video covers this machine, running DOS 6.22 th-cam.com/video/eQ8GgJfymsc/w-d-xo.html
Kenneth Granerud oh yeah, but the 15€ machine i reference is specced differently. Not sure how much a difference of 500mhz would make.
Jari Heiska I considered that one, but it only has VGA, so it's great for a pure DOS machine. I also don't know if it's up gradable with PCI. The higher models don't cost much more but are more flexible.
Guys how are you installing Windows XP on this PC everytime I install I get the blue screen of death on the first reboot no matter how I try to install it whether its usb or from CD, do I need to disable an option in the bios? Very frustrating as Dos was smooth to install.
I use this method! th-cam.com/video/-nZAhE0SetM/w-d-xo.html
I wonder if you could use a flexible pci riser instead and whether the card would be secure enough
Yea I do address this in the video, but it will take ages for it to arrive.
Hahah yes I should have watched it all before I commented. I noticed the case has some good support for holding up the card on the connection end, but on the other end if the cards a bit heavy it might sag down. You could 3d print something maybe, or find something from Bunnings!
I use one for my 1,2GHz Pentium III system. But I think in this pc there is no room for it.
Hi Phil can you use a normal IDE hard driver or only SSD?
Nael Amir Göz Yes you can use a 2.5" HDD.
PhilsComputerLab Thank u sir
A 70 fps processor ceiling in Quake 3 is not very good, especially for a system that's based on a relatively modern DDR2 platform. In comparison, a PIII-850 slot 1 BX system with PC100 SDRAM and XP-SP3 can push 110 fps.
For the Pentium III you will need at least a massive Case and it will consume more power, and have moving parts. So looking at just the performance isn't making a good comparison IMO.
Fair enough. I was just expecting more from it. I knew the C3 was an extremely weak CPU, but thought that the C7, with its quad-pumped FSB, SSE3, and DDR2 memory would be able to at least match the P3.
Pretty sure you're wrong with one thing my dear friend. If Vsync could be disabled for the onboard GPU, you'd not see any more of an increase in performance. Thx nice vids tho, as ever. :D
Yes you would, it's capping the FPS at 60.
Did you got a joystick under DOS to work?
The sound card has a gameport, but I didn't test it, to be honest I have no concerns that it won't work. Under Windows just use a USB joystick!
Did you use any usb mouse or keyboard? My amd duron machine struggles with service pack 3 in xp, and i use a modern usb mouse, i suspected that or sp3 is too heavy for a 1.2ghz amd duron or my usb mouse requires too much processing with it.
Yes I'm using a Microsoft wireless keyboard / mouse setup.
Strange. My amd duron gets 100% usage if i move the mouse too fast in desktop in a vanilla sp3 installation without nothing installed except the drivers.
That's very strange, I use USB input devices for pretty much any machine that supports it never had such an issue.
Could just be the USB implementation on that particular board. Or a quirk of aging. I have a duron supporting board that badly needs recapped, because it was produced right in the middle of the great "capacitor plague"
dunno i had xp with a 700mhz duron and it was fine
Perhaps 1GB of RAM is just too much for the S3 driver under Windows 98?
I forgot to mention, I changed the RAM for Windows 98. Tried with 256MB and 512.
@16:19 You selected "AGP" at the "Init Display First" BIOS Option, so the Onboard Card is the primary Graphics Card, as it is connected via AGP internally. So maybe that's the Problem you have with the GF 6200? Beside this particular case, at my local computer store I was told, to never change this option, because its only relevant, when you are using two graphics cards. When you change it to AGP and use a stable one, it is no Problem. But when your AGP Card has a problem, you can't troubleshoot with an PCI Graphics Card, because the system then will never put out any video on your PCI Card. So i recommend to leave the option on Init PCI first, because it wont slow down your system. Greetings from Germany :)
I didn't have any problems with the GeForce 6200! The only issue I had was with Windows 98 SE, using the integrated graphics card!
I forsee a rise in price of thin clients very soon.
Nah I doubt it, every model is extremely unique, has totally different features and whatnot.
hmm so no videos of w98 game benchmarks? i'd be interested in putting win 98 on it and not win xp
Atom X5 Z8300 is cool for simple projects, but maybe don't have drivers for Windows 98 or XP.
Which driver did you have - there is a CN700 one that can be selected here download.viatech.com/en/support/driversSelect.jsp - if you had a more general Unichrome, that might have been the problem
I'm sure I tried both. Hopefully someone else finds a fix as these are nice little retro units.
Try 256MB RAM and minimum frame buffer for Win98.
I did, no dice :(