Y’all gotta realize Dio is a generational hater. From frame one with no powers he was fucking up Johnathon’s life. Got powers then took his rival’s body. Terrorized his rival’s son, made more kids using his rival’s body, only to then go back just to fuck with those same kids. Then passed on his legacy of hatred to another successor. That’s legendary marks
A villain is a person whose evil actions contributed to the plot greatly wtf did frieza do after Sayan saga besides get decimated by trunks we didn’t see frieza again until l end of super he didn’t contribute to anything besides goku unlocking ssj , cell>>>frieza is b tier
@@xxxsaucyxxx_9177frieza contributed to the plot by what he was shown. He brought history of the saiyans and contributed to the rise of super saiyan, the most important transformation in not only dragon ball, but anime as a whole. Frieza is S tier and I'm not even a big dragon ball fan
@@akara6798 no beerus ordered him to destroy the sayains he didn’t introduce us to sayian history it was already a thing in itself like the broly movie that showed us the “history “ of the sayians , he created a emotional moment for goku causing him to evolve into ssj when any villain could’ve did tht yu saying that holds no value still b tier yu can’t name anything else he did in dbz , gt , dbs . Black frieza tho has potential to be s tier as of right now in the manga
@@xxxsaucyxxx_9177bro what? beerus did not order frieza to kill the saiyans all he did was give frieza the green light and told him he didnt care if he wiped em all out ☠️ frieza drove goku to insanity and taught him that u cant save everyone goku changed piccolo and vegeta but was forced to put frieza down when he didn't want to n that changed his entire view on his opponents (ex he never tried to save cell he knew he was pure evil and wanted gohan to finish him off for good)
@@staywidow misinformed he didn’t push him to the brink of insanity 💀he killed krillian , goku has to be calm and true to himself to utilize his full strength . He did no such thing he was in full control while fighting and demonstrating his sanity when he tried to spare frieza , nd also goku said he had enough of frieza’s actions from the short time tht they had met I don’t kno wht yu was watching and in the manga before vegeta got ultra ego beerus literally told him to his face that he told frieza to do it wtf nd without beerus the order iwould’ve never happened and goku literally gave frieza energy to nd frieza tried to kill him then so he killed him he never changed his ways invalid point he spared buu the wished to reincarnate kid buu into a human after kid buu destroyed multiple galaxies wtf are we saying bro💀
@@auratrxpz8204 Bro it turned out Madara was being manipulated the whole series he was incepted to do the infinite tsukuyomi by Kaguya the series' real villain..
Meruem being a complex character who went through character growth and kinda chilled on being an outright murderous ant doesn't make him any less of a good villain
True and if his argument for not putting meruem at S or A is because he wasn't murderous and evil until the end. then why is he putting Obito and Vegeta at A when they both had an redemption arc and joined the good guys?
I woukd disagree he wasn’t inherently evil as soon as she realized right from wrong he became a neural character. Do you see someone like a frieza changing his ways for a girl playing chess with him nooosir
@@Katsande223he still wanted to eat people with low potential because they meant nothing to him. Meruem was enlightened by his experiences but he was still a major threat to 99% of the human race due to him seeing no value in the weak.
Just woke up in the hospital. The last thing I remember is them moving Madara to F. The doctor prescribed me some dank ass shonen to watch over the next week. Thank god, I didn't think I was going to make it.
Stain was a villain 100% bro murdered people for being “hero posers”. Doesnt matter if his reasoning made sense. Other than that most of what yall said made sense. W Vid!!!
That was the only thing really buggin me all vid. I agree with 90% of everything said but a villain backstory being understandable or compelling doesn’t make them any less of a villain
stain wasnt a villian tho he went after "heroes" because they were fake and had huge egos, they didnt deserve the title of hero and this comes into more truth when so many heroes quit when they realize theyre prob going to die in season 6 and he also saved deku. he is an antihero if anything
@@way2375 no, because his actions do nothing to change the state of heroes. He literally kills people for not aligning with his views. And does having an ego warrant a death sentence? I don’t think so lol
@@way2375he killed people because they didny fit his arbitrary definition of a hero, if I kill doctors because they dont fit my idea of a "true" doctor I'm not an antihero I'm a serial killer with an ego
Next time anyone does a tier list like this, I believe that person should have to explain to the camera why that character got that placement so I can see where the brainrot stems from.
But you know for a fact that most of them would just say they just like the character or that they are attractive. Very little of them would actually give a reason based on what the character does.
Well him and Griffith imo are very high s tier both are absolutely fucking vile for what they did but problem is people haven’t watched monster or read berserk cuz it unfortunately isn’t as mainstream or easy to get into as other anime/manga
I think you guys got it twisted that good villains have to be rotten to the core or pure evil. I think the best and most well written villains are complex and have a small piece of them that you can relate to. It makes for better characters, better conflicts, better plot which makes them better villains. Even if they change for the good
@@lildad559 ? That makes them grounded and human if you can relate to them a little bit. Villains can have very relatable and understandable insecurities and motives but they are taken to and acted on in very extreme ways. For example, a villain motivated by insecurity of their perceived inferiority can be extreme in both feelings and bad actions but many people can relate to feeling generally inferior. I think that’s what og is referring to. You can relate to a smaller version of what the villain is feeling and despise how they are and what they do. That creates an interesting conflict within the viewer and it’s typically a more valuable experience in terms of take away lessons from the character.
Saying “he did what he did for a reason therefore he’s not a villain” is like saying Magneto is not a villain because he does what he does because of the persecution he’s faced. News flash: the best villains have logical reasoning behind their heinous acts, that’s what makes them a step above your average villain.
I dropped Naruto years ago before the final war but was madara a real villain? He's and s teir character but what bad things he did? Didn't he wanted to save the world with the infinite tsukyomi
@@tcrvo01 He did have good intentions overall, but in the end, even he realized that the way he went about it was wrong. Madara's actions caused tens of thousands of deaths directly and indirectly. Even if the final war didn't happen, he would've caused thousands of deaths. He brainwashed murdered, and betrayed people for his ambition, when it could've been done while causing less pain. He's an amazing character and despite what he did, I would probably call him an antagonist rather than a villain.
@@diondadiggerhow you gone say him as a person caused thousands of deaths directly and indirectly and then NOT call him a villain? madara was a definitely a villain, bro was tryna put the entire world into a perpetual sleep until they died by being sucked of all their chakra, all because he wanted to control the masses and their dreams how HE saw fit. thats definitely some villainous shit because he even waited after death just to come back and fuck shit up. he had no remorse either UNTIL he realized he was a pawn in someone else’s game otherwise he would have done it all again in a heartbeat.
@@stealthycore 1. He didn't know they would die. 2. He didn't want to control anyone's dreams and his reasons weren't really selfish. Especially because he got the short end of the stick(from his POV), as he wouldn't get to live out his own perfect world. 3. He didn't show remorse until he realized that his way wasn't going to help anyone. Until he was revealed as a pawn, he thought his plan would work and save everyone. Only after he was betrayed, did he realize that he messed up. If he got sent back up on death, he would've lived differently. Likely more like Hashirama Madara wasn't a person who was doing this to hurt people or out of petty spite. Man wanted to make the world a better place. And he wouldn't even benefit from it, so he couldn't have been doing it for selfish reasons 😭
Arlong was definitely a villain. The reason he did what he did is irrelevant. At the end of the day, he wanted to murder/enslave all humans because he was butthurt about his childhood.
@i_282 dude what are you talking about? Their characters are basically the same. One develops from an emotionless bloodthirsty tyrant to one of the most humble and mature antagonists of all time, and the other is the literal embodiment of humans fear and hatred for one another and doesn't emotionally develop at all. They're so similar! :D
@@Jiggonomics Its like they're the same flavor but different foods. They both have a child-like curiosity of the world that leads them to have a superiority complex. Through their actions, they also hold a mirror up to the protagonists and highlight their questionable actions. They proved that the heroes are no better than the villains, just opposing sides of a conflict. The key difference is in Meruem's redemption, Meruem is a more well-rounded character whilst Mahito is an eternal biblically accurate dickhead. The problem is I don't think that was bro's reasoning, he was just saying shit.
Nah saying Arlong isn’t a villain is CRAZY. Dude outright confessed to just enjoying killing, AND essentially turned Nami into a slave after spending YEARS freeing slaves under fisher
Yall are trippin he's ON POINT with that. It's about being a VILLIAN. If your doing bad things for a good reason, that's not villainous, take itachi for example, is he a villain ? No. He's badass who sacrificed himself for his village and the story and character are amazing but he's not a villain. so he can't be as high on a list as someone who's doing it just because they ENJOY EVIL. like in dark night when he says some men just want to watch the world burn, that's S tier shit. rant over
@@jaeghurItachi is a villain. Bro committed a genocide and psychologically tortured his little brother for years. Just because he's cool doesn't make him any less of a villain.
Bruh at the end saying Bradley wasn't a villian is insane. Dude hated the sound of a baby girl dying at her fathers funeral (which he was partially involved in) that he was SHAKING WITH ANGER! Had us all thinking he was crying and trying to hold it together. Man was literally the a high grade, one might even say a Special Grade hater. He was a villian, can't hear this Bradley apologia
30:01 The only reason Mahito healed mechamaru is because they made a binding vow with Mechamaru and in the world of jujutsu Kaisen breaking a binding vow comes with heavy consequences Not even Sukuna would attempt to break it
I think people confuse being a good villain with their motivation being committed to only villainy, I believe a good antagonist can be complex and maybe convert to the hero’s side and still being judged on their previous actions without it detracting from their status as villain overall
agreed! most of my favorite villains are barely villains just bc they want to be bad and cause chaos but, often times, there's a complexity to their character on how they became that way and that's what draws me to them, personally.
7:23 “He did it for a reason” I mean he did manipulate hundreds to serve his agenda which he kept secret…and mentally destroyed Thorfinn, oh and made mass graves. His end goal had some sort of validation but it was wildly self righteous first.
Majority of them lost sight of the main question of how villainous they are and just ranked them on how much they favored them. Exp wit the guy who put dio at f like us ur killing innocent dogs thats pretty villainous and deserves a and up
I love Tony but the argument's for the One Piece villains are just straight up slander. Saying that Arlong, Kaido and Crocodile are not being villains is insane. Kaido is straight up the One Piece version of Stalin
Griffith is hands down the most evil anime character I’ve ever seen. Even before he became a Godhand, bro was on demon time and the very 1st thing he did when becoming a demon was SUPER CRAZY‼️ For me, he is the face of S tier villains
Seriously. Frieza is the only villain I’ve seen with the greatest come back. We saw his lowest and see him change and still be a villain. Frieza has had major character development yet is still evil.
29:55 To be fair mahito and geto had a binding vow with mechamaru so they didn’t have a choice, so if sukuna was in that predicament he would have to do the same or he’ll
Yo Tony i've never been this engaged online. You've gotten like 10 comments from me in the span of like 2 hrs. I just wanna say this is great and you're great man. Keep up the awesome work
"All Kaido did was bring capitalism to Wano" Tony...if u dont know what capitalism means, just say that 😂Cause the ppl in Kuri cant work they way to the top, they stuck at the bottom lol
BRUH, a Villain does NOT have to be all evil to be a good villain. Darth Vader changed at the end. He's still an S-tier. Just because Askeladd had reasons to do what he did doesn't negate the fact that he is an absolutely amazing villain. Stain had some good points about heroes who are fame-obsessed and greedy. That doesn't mean he isn't a villain. Having a reason to do things is what makes a villain so good. It's like you're allergic to using your brain whenever a bad guy pops up. Either he's a psychopath doing bad things for NO REASON AT ALL, or he's not a villain. Arlong isn't a villain because he grew up oppressed and angry? So you watched him kill Nami's parents, enslave an entire island, force them to pay for their lives, and then abuse a child to get intel on humans all so he can crush them under his heel, and he's not a villain. It's almost like you're defending these horrid people by pretending like their disgusting actions don't matter unless they do it for fun. Also, you put Vageta as an A, and he's literally fighting WITH the protagonist in every single major fight they have after the first, so you're not even consistent about what makes a "villain". He's literally the biggest product of his environment, raised under a regime of planet-conquering super soldiers and taught that he was the best because of who he was. His character arc is all about change, until he ends up MARRYING someone from a "puny" race that he once looked down on and literally fought a God because he hurt her. You must be high.
"Being a villain for a reason" "hes not a villain,he was just manipulated" Following that logic how is madara in S😭I would put him in S but hes 3rd,Frieza 2nd and aizen 1st Putting frieza in S is just nostalgia,him and sukuna is the same thing..he just does it on a bigger scale
Tbh Super did knock some points off Frieza once we knew Beerus played a bit into the planet vegeta getting destroyed so I wouldn't give Frieza 2nd, a solid 3rd is fair. Madara definitely earned that 2nd place more.
Happy to see Tony respects Rave Master, arguably Mahima's only good series. (Though I do personally enjoy Fairy Tail and Edens Zero but Rave Master is leagues above them)
Honestly with what we know now, from the manga, is say Chrollo is at least an A-tier villain BUT I gotta say, Gon was ALWAYS like that. He was fucking insane from the jump, and you can see the signs all over the series. Especially in the fight against Genthru
I always say Griff is cool, bc Femto is the actual name of the evil vile monster. There is a transformation idk if people realize lol. Him tweaking before the eclipse and everything. God I love Berserk.
Personal bias vs Objectivity will forever be a reason why we will never agree as a species. Hell, I'm not even saying we have to agree 1 to 1. I'm saying we should generally agree on certain things and that'll never happen
i love these guys but bro the flipping of the grading principles from "are they a sympathetic villain" to "how prominent were they in their anime" had me spinning out on my chair. Like by either logic, their tier list wouldve been looking like moses parting the sea.
The whole "He not really a villain though" argument was lowkey annoying. Who looks at Stain who's killed dozens of innocent people and says they not really all that bad? Dawg that's murder. Mass murder at that. That's bad. Idc what philosophy bro has. Or Arlong? Bro just because Arlong has a good reason to be racist it doesn't mean that his racism isn't a bad thing. He literally imprisoned hundreds of people and made them effectively his slaves, HOOOW is that not villain behavior?? Also Meruem even post character development was still a bad person, yall forgetting what he said. He went from wanting to consume humanity into extinction to wanting to use them like cattle so they can then eat humans forever. That was his "growth into a good person". Raising them and having them multiply to eat them later. Like, yippee? Its an upgrade but that's still evil ass behavior. He was going to turn the planet into the Promised Neverland verse where they raising children to eat them later and yall arguing he not a villain.
"Great villians are just evil to be evil" in the context of Griffith, is such a goofy thing to say bro. If you think Griffith is "evil just cause" you miss the whole point of his character, and why he's one of the greatest villians in any piece of media. The amount of depth and layers going on with this character surpasses like 95% of anime, and is some absolute peak. Someone who is mentally centuries ahead of his generation, has supreme confidence, charisma, is willing to do anything for his group and himself to succeed, makes sacrifices, looks out for his own, a brilliant tactician, a machiavellian sociopath, someone desperate for the companionship of others but pretends they are above it, and someone that has been gaslit by forces of power and fate beyond comprehension into believeing that he will be king, no matter what. Even in Griffith's very last moment, before joining the god hand, we aren't even sure if that was his choice, or him being manipulated into saying yes. The only reason arguments like "Griffith did nothing wrong" have any validity whatsoever, are because of this level of nuance that went into his writing as a character. We all clearly know, that Griffith as Phemto, did something inhuman and unforgivable, but up until the point of Griffith becoming a monster, we won't know how much of it was him, and how much was influenced by fate.
I feel like Berserk’s fanbase has become very… shonenified. It’s like people who somehow completely misunderstand the story and characters and are actually doing a disservice to amazing characters like Griffith by reducing him to some “black air force” or “demon time” villain.
ya'll need to have a consistent standard on what makes someone a better villain. Is it best written, most evil, most impact on the story, most kills, their background music? And then you seem to wave any of that off if they have a sad background, which should only contribute to someone being a better written villain. Frieza killed a shit load; tons of impact, tons of evil, but really isn't that much of a deep character. Meanwhile Askeladd has lots of death on his hands, but has an exploration of his character that makes you go from wanting him dead to rooting for him. I find more value in him than Frieza as a villain, you need to set the standards for these.
Also. A villain doesn’t have to just be like evil for evils sake. You can understand their reasons and have them still be a good villain. A good villain is just a good character that plays the roll of a major antagonist lol
Being evil for the sake of evil can also be one dimensional and boring having depth to be able to relate and see how a character takes their path even though it isn’t a good one can be better for villains especially someone like Tuguro now the Thanos example I agree with but a character being relatable doesn’t mean they’re a bad villain we do good and bad shi all the time life just isn’t all evil all good
Frieza and Dio are good examples of people who are just evil for the sake of but a Pain is also as good maybe better written than both because of the depth even though the other two have this fun idgaf energy and just get to it Pain has reasoning for why he crashing tf out😂
Esdeath, the woman from Akame Ga Kill literally tortures people for fun, teaches her subordinates how to do it efficiently to extend the suffering, actually drank the blood of a demon to gain power that makes men go insane from the incessant words in their head urging them to kill others AND SAID WITH A SMILE THAT ITS KILLING INTENT WAS WEAK AND DOWNED THE WHOLE JUG OF THE STUFF.. S tier easilly.
Griffith doesn't go in S, he gets his own tier above S. Villains nowadays, aspire to be like that man. he is the original, and no one can say that he isn't the most insane and deviously evil villain of all time. NO ONE IS ABOVE HIM ON ANY TIER LIST EVER.
low-key I feel like there should be like 3 different types of lists, like character lists for how well a character arc progresses, and how well an author wrote the given character. Then Villain/hero lists based solely off morality, and how like-able or hate-able a character is. Then Antagonist vs Protagonist, where you take how the personality, characterization and overall story/themes combine to make a good protagonist or antagonist. So Askeladd is a great antagonist and character, but a bad villain. Whereas All For one is a solid character and mid antagonist but a great villain.
1. Usually a good villain or antagonist has a strong presence within the world, drives the plot, and/or is a foil to the main character. The fact that Frieza fits all of those criteria and people STILL put him at F is insane. 2. Protagonist doesn’t mean hero. Antagonist doesn’t mean villain. A character who does bad things isn’t always a villain. Meurem is a great character who was a villain due to his instincts. Arlong is a good antagonist for Luffy because he acted in a way that was a foil to him, but he did villainous things because of how the world discriminated against him.
for a man that brought hell to earth and r word his best friends girl in front of him physically and mentally destroying her to where whenever she sees guts she tweaks out and also becoming the other half of his son to steal his girl and break him because he can’t touch him is crazy for him to be anywhere but S tier
17:28 tony talking bout how people aint watch hunter x hunter but says merium only played chess 4 times and changed his view point. First off, the mf didnt play 4 times, that mf was playing that shit for days, back to back, nonstop. Thats way more than 4 times. Second of all, it was the chess game that made him change his mind, it was the fact that a blind human (who he considers a lesser life form) was consistently outsmarting him no matter how hard he tried. He was forced to face new information that directly challenged his entire belief system ststem and he had no choice but to gain a new level of respect for humans. He accepted the new reality. Thats what changed his mind.
13:12 bro she is a S tier villain she was obsessed with one of the MC’S and sorry for the spoiler at the end she did some crazy suicidal shit and froze both they asses and they exploded to pixie dust DEAD 💀
Sukuna isn’t S tier now that JJK is over based off of how badly he sold, but I have to say that he WOULD have healed Mechamaru, but obv would’ve killed him right after. We know this because Sukuna mentiones how in his bond with Itadori that he wasn’t willing to bring it because he would be punished, now when we go to Mahito and Geto, Geto mentioned that they also have one of these “pacts” with Mechamaru and they don’t want to face the punishment given if they break the deal. At this point Sukuna hasn’t consumed the fingers in Shibuya so I’m pretty confident Sukuna wouldn’t be able to find some way around the pact like he might be able to later in the series.
Imtracyallen, duckydee, kingchris, tony. All huge Naruto fans on youtube. Shonen showdown has a dude in their squad whose a huge naruto fan and would bash any anime that isnt naruto. Hey naruto is just that anime no matter how many fillers we have. we're probably the only big shonen where even if we get trashed on people will still watch. What about bleach, dont talk to me pffft lol. If bleach starts talking im asleep unless its ichigo, his squad or aizen being a badass.
Kaido and Black beard are the walking definition of "Do what the Fu*k I want" Kadio was in wano allowing public beating and execution, didn't care about the people who only laugh, why? Because no one gonna stop him so might as well! How is that not S?
Your friend ain't cooking. Being well written doesn't mean you aren't a villain. Edit: nevermind neither of you are cooking at all. That Meruem take is horrendous.
Y’all gotta realize Dio is a generational hater. From frame one with no powers he was fucking up Johnathon’s life. Got powers then took his rival’s body. Terrorized his rival’s son, made more kids using his rival’s body, only to then go back just to fuck with those same kids. Then passed on his legacy of hatred to another successor. That’s legendary marks
A generational hater is the funniest most accurate description of that petty fuck
Dio is the biggest hater, Griffith is the most selfish person, Madara is the most ambitious, Frieza is the most racist
Dio and Freeza, are the only two that can say I fought 3 Generations of Ops
Bro got dumped into the sea while in a coffin and first thing bro does when he gets out is try to find the joestar bros actually devious
thats ass
DIO, Griffith, Madara, Freiza, and Aizen are definitive S tier. If people say otherwise they are being contrarian, full stop
A villain is a person whose evil actions contributed to the plot greatly wtf did frieza do after Sayan saga besides get decimated by trunks we didn’t see frieza again until l end of super he didn’t contribute to anything besides goku unlocking ssj , cell>>>frieza is b tier
@@xxxsaucyxxx_9177frieza contributed to the plot by what he was shown. He brought history of the saiyans and contributed to the rise of super saiyan, the most important transformation in not only dragon ball, but anime as a whole. Frieza is S tier and I'm not even a big dragon ball fan
@@akara6798 no beerus ordered him to destroy the sayains he didn’t introduce us to sayian history it was already a thing in itself like the broly movie that showed us the “history “ of the sayians , he created a emotional moment for goku causing him to evolve into ssj when any villain could’ve did tht yu saying that holds no value still b tier yu can’t name anything else he did in dbz , gt , dbs . Black frieza tho has potential to be s tier as of right now in the manga
@@xxxsaucyxxx_9177bro what? beerus did not order frieza to kill the saiyans all he did was give frieza the green light and told him he didnt care if he wiped em all out ☠️ frieza drove goku to insanity and taught him that u cant save everyone goku changed piccolo and vegeta but was forced to put frieza down when he didn't want to n that changed his entire view on his opponents (ex he never tried to save cell he knew he was pure evil and wanted gohan to finish him off for good)
@@staywidow misinformed he didn’t push him to the brink of insanity 💀he killed krillian , goku has to be calm and true to himself to utilize his full strength . He did no such thing he was in full control while fighting and demonstrating his sanity when he tried to spare frieza , nd also goku said he had enough of frieza’s actions from the short time tht they had met I don’t kno wht yu was watching and in the manga before vegeta got ultra ego beerus literally told him to his face that he told frieza to do it wtf nd without beerus the order iwould’ve never happened and goku literally gave frieza energy to nd frieza tried to kill him then so he killed him he never changed his ways invalid point he spared buu the wished to reincarnate kid buu into a human after kid buu destroyed multiple galaxies wtf are we saying bro💀
Bro these people at this convention HAVE to be trolling, there isn't NO WAY they moving Frieza, and Madara down to F!
I'll give you Madaara but Frieza ain't been intimidating since his first fight with Goku 🤷🏽♂️
but thats the fiest good villain@@fazormcghee7936
@@fazormcghee7936golden frieze black frieze, just say you don't like him that's fine but cmon bro
@@Tyler-n9x4e My first impression of frieza was when he got torn to shreds by Trunks in .2 seconds, and that kind of set the pace for me.
The way Madara got beaten, he deserves to be in F.
I genuinely believe that most of these people were trolling, cause ain't no way this many people have this many bad takes
promise u dey not
nah people are actually just restarted like that
Most prolly only seen like 3 anime n they all came out within the last 5 maybe 7 years
Never let some of these anime con folks cook. The Madara slander is crazy
madara is a fraud
Not only that, Esdeath being near S at all was kinda wild
@@allsalah 🧢
@@ZarroxiusYeah these akame ga kill stans are bitchless
@@auratrxpz8204 Bro it turned out Madara was being manipulated the whole series he was incepted to do the infinite tsukuyomi by Kaguya the series' real villain..
Meruem being a complex character who went through character growth and kinda chilled on being an outright murderous ant doesn't make him any less of a good villain
True and if his argument for not putting meruem at S or A is because he wasn't murderous and evil until the end. then why is he putting Obito and Vegeta at A when they both had an redemption arc and joined the good guys?
I feel like they're seperating definitions of Villain and antagonist for this tier list, I don't agree but they kept it consistent enough for me
I woukd disagree he wasn’t inherently evil as soon as she realized right from wrong he became a neural character. Do you see someone like a frieza changing his ways for a girl playing chess with him nooosir
@@Katsande223he still wanted to eat people with low potential because they meant nothing to him. Meruem was enlightened by his experiences but he was still a major threat to 99% of the human race due to him seeing no value in the weak.
@@Katsande223his growth was realising that strength isn't just one thing
Bro watching this video is actively raising my blood pressure
Im 35 seconds in and reading this comment section I think I'm gonna skip this vid😂😂😂
Everything in this shit makes me want to stop watching Tony the takes are so dogshit
Some people have bad takes, some people have takes I just wanna understand 😅
Just woke up in the hospital. The last thing I remember is them moving Madara to F. The doctor prescribed me some dank ass shonen to watch over the next week. Thank god, I didn't think I was going to make it.
Bruh having a sad backstory doesn’t make you not a villain. It doesn’t matter if you understand where they are coming from
Stain was a villain 100% bro murdered people for being “hero posers”. Doesnt matter if his reasoning made sense. Other than that most of what yall said made sense. W Vid!!!
That was the only thing really buggin me all vid. I agree with 90% of everything said but a villain backstory being understandable or compelling doesn’t make them any less of a villain
@@donjewelioyea i literally jus commented this lmao. Drove me insane lowkey😭😭. Like itachi is s - a tier villain no doubt, even if it was a facade.
stain wasnt a villian tho he went after "heroes" because they were fake and had huge egos, they didnt deserve the title of hero and this comes into more truth when so many heroes quit when they realize theyre prob going to die in season 6 and he also saved deku. he is an antihero if anything
@@way2375 no, because his actions do nothing to change the state of heroes. He literally kills people for not aligning with his views. And does having an ego warrant a death sentence? I don’t think so lol
@@way2375he killed people because they didny fit his arbitrary definition of a hero, if I kill doctors because they dont fit my idea of a "true" doctor I'm not an antihero I'm a serial killer with an ego
Next time anyone does a tier list like this, I believe that person should have to explain to the camera why that character got that placement so I can see where the brainrot stems from.
I swear I was getting aggressively pissed off watching this lol
But you know for a fact that most of them would just say they just like the character or that they are attractive. Very little of them would actually give a reason based on what the character does.
Yohan from Monster was going up down up down up, nobody knew if he was S or F tier.
Anyone putting him below S gotta be mentally challenged
He’s S tier fasho
You're out of your fucking mind if you put him anything below top 3
Well him and Griffith imo are very high s tier both are absolutely fucking vile for what they did but problem is people haven’t watched monster or read berserk cuz it unfortunately isn’t as mainstream or easy to get into as other anime/manga
I think you guys got it twisted that good villains have to be rotten to the core or pure evil. I think the best and most well written villains are complex and have a small piece of them that you can relate to. It makes for better characters, better conflicts, better plot which makes them better villains. Even if they change for the good
It's that villain vs. antagonist shit taken to an extreme.
Well said
Wanting to relate to a villain is lowkey kinda crazy ngl
@@lildad559 ? That makes them grounded and human if you can relate to them a little bit. Villains can have very relatable and understandable insecurities and motives but they are taken to and acted on in very extreme ways. For example, a villain motivated by insecurity of their perceived inferiority can be extreme in both feelings and bad actions but many people can relate to feeling generally inferior. I think that’s what og is referring to. You can relate to a smaller version of what the villain is feeling and despise how they are and what they do. That creates an interesting conflict within the viewer and it’s typically a more valuable experience in terms of take away lessons from the character.
Saying “he did what he did for a reason therefore he’s not a villain” is like saying Magneto is not a villain because he does what he does because of the persecution he’s faced. News flash: the best villains have logical reasoning behind their heinous acts, that’s what makes them a step above your average villain.
aint no way madara should have even touched anything outside of S tier
I dropped Naruto years ago before the final war but was madara a real villain? He's and s teir character but what bad things he did?
Didn't he wanted to save the world with the infinite tsukyomi
@@tcrvo01 He did have good intentions overall, but in the end, even he realized that the way he went about it was wrong. Madara's actions caused tens of thousands of deaths directly and indirectly. Even if the final war didn't happen, he would've caused thousands of deaths. He brainwashed murdered, and betrayed people for his ambition, when it could've been done while causing less pain. He's an amazing character and despite what he did, I would probably call him an antagonist rather than a villain.
@@tcrvo01he started the last ninja war wdym
@@diondadiggerhow you gone say him as a person caused thousands of deaths directly and indirectly and then NOT call him a villain? madara was a definitely a villain, bro was tryna put the entire world into a perpetual sleep until they died by being sucked of all their chakra, all because he wanted to control the masses and their dreams how HE saw fit. thats definitely some villainous shit because he even waited after death just to come back and fuck shit up. he had no remorse either UNTIL he realized he was a pawn in someone else’s game otherwise he would have done it all again in a heartbeat.
@@stealthycore 1. He didn't know they would die.
2. He didn't want to control anyone's dreams and his reasons weren't really selfish. Especially because he got the short end of the stick(from his POV), as he wouldn't get to live out his own perfect world.
3. He didn't show remorse until he realized that his way wasn't going to help anyone. Until he was revealed as a pawn, he thought his plan would work and save everyone. Only after he was betrayed, did he realize that he messed up. If he got sent back up on death, he would've lived differently. Likely more like Hashirama
Madara wasn't a person who was doing this to hurt people or out of petty spite. Man wanted to make the world a better place. And he wouldn't even benefit from it, so he couldn't have been doing it for selfish reasons 😭
Arlong was definitely a villain. The reason he did what he did is irrelevant. At the end of the day, he wanted to murder/enslave all humans because he was butthurt about his childhood.
Gives me Killmonger vibes the way he described it, still a villian
He was spittin so much facts during the vid, until he made his own list 😂 then he lost it
No cap. "Mahito's the same as Meruem" is some of the wackiest shit I've ever heard
@i_282 dude what are you talking about? Their characters are basically the same. One develops from an emotionless bloodthirsty tyrant to one of the most humble and mature antagonists of all time, and the other is the literal embodiment of humans fear and hatred for one another and doesn't emotionally develop at all. They're so similar! :D
@@Jiggonomics Its like they're the same flavor but different foods. They both have a child-like curiosity of the world that leads them to have a superiority complex. Through their actions, they also hold a mirror up to the protagonists and highlight their questionable actions. They proved that the heroes are no better than the villains, just opposing sides of a conflict. The key difference is in Meruem's redemption, Meruem is a more well-rounded character whilst Mahito is an eternal biblically accurate dickhead. The problem is I don't think that was bro's reasoning, he was just saying shit.
@@Jiggonomicslmao, Mahito gets barely any development. Then again that’s most of jjk…
Nah saying Arlong isn’t a villain is CRAZY. Dude outright confessed to just enjoying killing, AND essentially turned Nami into a slave after spending YEARS freeing slaves under fisher
His ill intent alone would make him a villain 😂
these mfs clearly must not have seen the arlong arc for like 10 yrs
People really forget how long Madara was being hyped up, all Obito had to do was say he was him and the entire world came together to stop him
I'm sorry but your friend arguing that Villains who are evil for the sake of being evil are better than Villains with motivations is a crazyyyyy take
bro is just yapping fr
I’m saying, like his Thanos take had me so confused
Yall are trippin he's ON POINT with that. It's about being a VILLIAN. If your doing bad things for a good reason, that's not villainous, take itachi for example, is he a villain ? No. He's badass who sacrificed himself for his village and the story and character are amazing but he's not a villain. so he can't be as high on a list as someone who's doing it just because they ENJOY EVIL. like in dark night when he says some men just want to watch the world burn, that's S tier shit. rant over
@@jaeghurItachi is a villain. Bro committed a genocide and psychologically tortured his little brother for years. Just because he's cool doesn't make him any less of a villain.
If bro has to think when he sees a villain then he gets upset
Idk if a villain tier list is about “most evil”, more like “best characters who are villains”
ye two diff discussions
Jojo is somehow underrated and niche but also extremely popular
Bruh at the end saying Bradley wasn't a villian is insane. Dude hated the sound of a baby girl dying at her fathers funeral (which he was partially involved in) that he was SHAKING WITH ANGER! Had us all thinking he was crying and trying to hold it together. Man was literally the a high grade, one might even say a Special Grade hater. He was a villian, can't hear this Bradley apologia
Saying one piece got no good villains is actually the worst take of them all wild for that claim
watching these people rank villians is the exact reason I don't talk anime with people
Yea i have a better time talking anime with my friends that actively hate anime 😂
30:01
The only reason Mahito healed mechamaru is because they made a binding vow with Mechamaru and in the world of jujutsu Kaisen breaking a binding vow comes with heavy consequences
Not even Sukuna would attempt to break it
nah this shit damn near made me go through all five stages of grief. Like are they sure that these people are human beings
I think people confuse being a good villain with their motivation being committed to only villainy, I believe a good antagonist can be complex and maybe convert to the hero’s side and still being judged on their previous actions without it detracting from their status as villain overall
agreed! most of my favorite villains are barely villains just bc they want to be bad and cause chaos but, often times, there's a complexity to their character on how they became that way and that's what draws me to them, personally.
7:23 “He did it for a reason”
I mean he did manipulate hundreds to serve his agenda which he kept secret…and mentally destroyed Thorfinn, oh and made mass graves.
His end goal had some sort of validation but it was wildly self righteous first.
That's what I'm saying
ngl bro, i’m glad to see you branching out from tiktok. you’ve been killing it on there but this the next wave.
Griff automatically he hit the r word like it was nothing
Majority of them lost sight of the main question of how villainous they are and just ranked them on how much they favored them. Exp wit the guy who put dio at f like us ur killing innocent dogs thats pretty villainous and deserves a and up
I love Tony but the argument's for the One Piece villains are just straight up slander. Saying that Arlong, Kaido and Crocodile are not being villains is insane. Kaido is straight up the One Piece version of Stalin
Griffith is hands down the most evil anime character I’ve ever seen. Even before he became a Godhand, bro was on demon time and the very 1st thing he did when becoming a demon was SUPER CRAZY‼️ For me, he is the face of S tier villains
Sukuna is like Frieza with infinitely more going on
“Aizen will never change” 😅😅😅 coming back to this when the next season of TYBW drops
Saying crocodile is not a top tier villain is slander he defined the antagonist template for one piece today
Crocodile is the goat on everything before doffy
Tony saying “just double the shit dumbass” to thanos premise as a villain has me fucking DEAD 😂😂😂😂
I hate Frieza but I can’t deny the S. Toriyama gets in his bag EVERY time he has to write this man.
Seriously. Frieza is the only villain I’ve seen with the greatest come back. We saw his lowest and see him change and still be a villain. Frieza has had major character development yet is still evil.
@@fatdurk7934 permanent villain arc
yall not valid for saying DIO deserves to be in A, if you saying that you haven't watched JoJo fully fo sure. He top 5 anime villains off all time ngl
yeah it's crazy how his influence can be seen through almost all the parts.
Top 5 is glaze
@@ThyBaithe generational tho
@@GothamThotSlayer yeah but niggas like Madara, aizen, griffin, meurum, etc exist
29:55 To be fair mahito and geto had a binding vow with mechamaru so they didn’t have a choice, so if sukuna was in that predicament he would have to do the same or he’ll
The yamcha slander is crazy
Johan is probably one of the most terrifying villains that doesn't need super powers. Mf is straight up a super psychopath.
Yo Tony i've never been this engaged online. You've gotten like 10 comments from me in the span of like 2 hrs. I just wanna say this is great and you're great man. Keep up the awesome work
“Lets make our own ranking” I was loosing my mind watching people switch villains with no Knowledge
"All Kaido did was bring capitalism to Wano" Tony...if u dont know what capitalism means, just say that 😂Cause the ppl in Kuri cant work they way to the top, they stuck at the bottom lol
13:52 people are confusing an antagonist with a villain. One is evil and amoral, the other simply just opposes the mc
Returning to this one tony you gotta read berzerk bro
Every anime villian tier list needs to have Griffith in his own category above everyone else. No if ands or buts about it. PERIOD. DONE
BRUH, a Villain does NOT have to be all evil to be a good villain. Darth Vader changed at the end. He's still an S-tier. Just because Askeladd had reasons to do what he did doesn't negate the fact that he is an absolutely amazing villain. Stain had some good points about heroes who are fame-obsessed and greedy. That doesn't mean he isn't a villain. Having a reason to do things is what makes a villain so good. It's like you're allergic to using your brain whenever a bad guy pops up. Either he's a psychopath doing bad things for NO REASON AT ALL, or he's not a villain. Arlong isn't a villain because he grew up oppressed and angry? So you watched him kill Nami's parents, enslave an entire island, force them to pay for their lives, and then abuse a child to get intel on humans all so he can crush them under his heel, and he's not a villain. It's almost like you're defending these horrid people by pretending like their disgusting actions don't matter unless they do it for fun.
Also, you put Vageta as an A, and he's literally fighting WITH the protagonist in every single major fight they have after the first, so you're not even consistent about what makes a "villain". He's literally the biggest product of his environment, raised under a regime of planet-conquering super soldiers and taught that he was the best because of who he was. His character arc is all about change, until he ends up MARRYING someone from a "puny" race that he once looked down on and literally fought a God because he hurt her. You must be high.
But this is about villainy tho
"Being a villain for a reason" "hes not a villain,he was just manipulated"
Following that logic how is madara in S😭I would put him in S but hes 3rd,Frieza 2nd and aizen 1st
Putting frieza in S is just nostalgia,him and sukuna is the same thing..he just does it on a bigger scale
Tbh Super did knock some points off Frieza once we knew Beerus played a bit into the planet vegeta getting destroyed so I wouldn't give Frieza 2nd, a solid 3rd is fair. Madara definitely earned that 2nd place more.
Yh these guys don’t know what a villain is
2:10 The moment Bro said “ I think Mahito is also like an A tier…” he immediately had to add a “ A tier/S tier character” cause he knew he was wrong 😭
logic a lil crazy how they say all for one a/b tier just for being responsible for the bad things in the universe then give muzan a c/d
The hunter hunter music kicking in was goated, love the editing
Everyone getting being a villain and being an antagonist confused.
Happy to see Tony respects Rave Master, arguably Mahima's only good series. (Though I do personally enjoy Fairy Tail and Edens Zero but Rave Master is leagues above them)
Man I would have loved to see Yall rank Shiggy instead of AFO. He's an S in my book, but regardless I feel he is the true main villain of MHA.
Honestly with what we know now, from the manga, is say Chrollo is at least an A-tier villain
BUT I gotta say, Gon was ALWAYS like that. He was fucking insane from the jump, and you can see the signs all over the series. Especially in the fight against Genthru
Ppl don’t know the difference between “antagonist” and “villain”
Bro please keep postin videos on yt love tha shorts but be wanton to see yo opinion on anime & a bunch of other shit bro keep it up much love 💯🙏
I always say Griff is cool, bc Femto is the actual name of the evil vile monster. There is a transformation idk if people realize lol. Him tweaking before the eclipse and everything. God I love Berserk.
Griffith chose to sacrifice his friends before he became Femto tho. He was already vile
"Jojo's has no plot"
...for real bro is gonna have to see me about that one.
He somehow actually watched Jojo's with the screen and speakers off,
Personal bias vs Objectivity will forever be a reason why we will never agree as a species. Hell, I'm not even saying we have to agree 1 to 1. I'm saying we should generally agree on certain things and that'll never happen
4:31 Freida is the blueprint he was the doin shi just for the sake of it ahh villain
i love these guys but bro the flipping of the grading principles from "are they a sympathetic villain" to "how prominent were they in their anime" had me spinning out on my chair. Like by either logic, their tier list wouldve been looking like moses parting the sea.
I think Donquixote doflamingo is top tier villain from one piece
12:00 it’s understandable why Griffith became a villain too
Not really bro, he’s just a selfish, DISGUSTING person at his core
The idea that fucking Wrath isn’t a villain is fucking crazy 😂
Bro this editing and Tony commentary makes me cry dude 😭 bros to funny
You can tell this came about before The Shibuya Arc…Sukuna and ESPECIALLY Mahito are high A tier easily after that arc imo
The whole "He not really a villain though" argument was lowkey annoying. Who looks at Stain who's killed dozens of innocent people and says they not really all that bad? Dawg that's murder. Mass murder at that. That's bad. Idc what philosophy bro has.
Or Arlong? Bro just because Arlong has a good reason to be racist it doesn't mean that his racism isn't a bad thing. He literally imprisoned hundreds of people and made them effectively his slaves, HOOOW is that not villain behavior??
Also Meruem even post character development was still a bad person, yall forgetting what he said. He went from wanting to consume humanity into extinction to wanting to use them like cattle so they can then eat humans forever. That was his "growth into a good person". Raising them and having them multiply to eat them later. Like, yippee? Its an upgrade but that's still evil ass behavior. He was going to turn the planet into the Promised Neverland verse where they raising children to eat them later and yall arguing he not a villain.
"Great villians are just evil to be evil" in the context of Griffith, is such a goofy thing to say bro. If you think Griffith is "evil just cause" you miss the whole point of his character, and why he's one of the greatest villians in any piece of media. The amount of depth and layers going on with this character surpasses like 95% of anime, and is some absolute peak. Someone who is mentally centuries ahead of his generation, has supreme confidence, charisma, is willing to do anything for his group and himself to succeed, makes sacrifices, looks out for his own, a brilliant tactician, a machiavellian sociopath, someone desperate for the companionship of others but pretends they are above it, and someone that has been gaslit by forces of power and fate beyond comprehension into believeing that he will be king, no matter what. Even in Griffith's very last moment, before joining the god hand, we aren't even sure if that was his choice, or him being manipulated into saying yes. The only reason arguments like "Griffith did nothing wrong" have any validity whatsoever, are because of this level of nuance that went into his writing as a character. We all clearly know, that Griffith as Phemto, did something inhuman and unforgivable, but up until the point of Griffith becoming a monster, we won't know how much of it was him, and how much was influenced by fate.
I feel like Berserk’s fanbase has become very… shonenified. It’s like people who somehow completely misunderstand the story and characters and are actually doing a disservice to amazing characters like Griffith by reducing him to some “black air force” or “demon time” villain.
I dont people understand the point of a villain
if you hate them then they have done their job
ya'll need to have a consistent standard on what makes someone a better villain. Is it best written, most evil, most impact on the story, most kills, their background music? And then you seem to wave any of that off if they have a sad background, which should only contribute to someone being a better written villain.
Frieza killed a shit load; tons of impact, tons of evil, but really isn't that much of a deep character. Meanwhile Askeladd has lots of death on his hands, but has an exploration of his character that makes you go from wanting him dead to rooting for him. I find more value in him than Frieza as a villain, you need to set the standards for these.
The fact that they kept switching the same one’s clearly proves that’s those villains were S Tier
Didn't askaladd slaughter an entire village of mfs, DURING winter?
Also. A villain doesn’t have to just be like evil for evils sake. You can understand their reasons and have them still be a good villain. A good villain is just a good character that plays the roll of a major antagonist lol
love ur stuff keep doing more youtube videos !
Being evil for the sake of evil can also be one dimensional and boring having depth to be able to relate and see how a character takes their path even though it isn’t a good one can be better for villains especially someone like Tuguro now the Thanos example I agree with but a character being relatable doesn’t mean they’re a bad villain we do good and bad shi all the time life just isn’t all evil all good
Frieza and Dio are good examples of people who are just evil for the sake of but a Pain is also as good maybe better written than both because of the depth even though the other two have this fun idgaf energy and just get to it Pain has reasoning for why he crashing tf out😂
Esdeath, the woman from Akame Ga Kill literally tortures people for fun, teaches her subordinates how to do it efficiently to extend the suffering, actually drank the blood of a demon to gain power that makes men go insane from the incessant words in their head urging them to kill others AND SAID WITH A SMILE THAT ITS KILLING INTENT WAS WEAK AND DOWNED THE WHOLE JUG OF THE STUFF.. S tier easilly.
the Aizen Glazing is crazy.......
Griffith doesn't go in S, he gets his own tier above S. Villains nowadays, aspire to be like that man. he is the original, and no one can say that he isn't the most insane and deviously evil villain of all time. NO ONE IS ABOVE HIM ON ANY TIER LIST EVER.
Shield Hero over Fate is pretty crazy to me ngl
low-key I feel like there should be like 3 different types of lists, like character lists for how well a character arc progresses, and how well an author wrote the given character. Then Villain/hero lists based solely off morality, and how like-able or hate-able a character is. Then Antagonist vs Protagonist, where you take how the personality, characterization and overall story/themes combine to make a good protagonist or antagonist. So Askeladd is a great antagonist and character, but a bad villain. Whereas All For one is a solid character and mid antagonist but a great villain.
Manz sat there with a straight face and said Arlong wasn’t a villain
When they say "villain" they mean "antagonist"
Saying Dio is an A tier villain is crazy!!!!! Off rip my mans went from trying take his girl to taking his body 😂
I’m convinced that the majority of people at conventions have no idea what they are talking about
1. Usually a good villain or antagonist has a strong presence within the world, drives the plot, and/or is a foil to the main character. The fact that Frieza fits all of those criteria and people STILL put him at F is insane.
2. Protagonist doesn’t mean hero. Antagonist doesn’t mean villain. A character who does bad things isn’t always a villain. Meurem is a great character who was a villain due to his instincts. Arlong is a good antagonist for Luffy because he acted in a way that was a foil to him, but he did villainous things because of how the world discriminated against him.
1:04 FINALLY A MAN OF CULTURE, HEAVY RESPECT TO YOU DAWG
Tony went and cooked up a worst tier list then the video he was watching 😂
for a man that brought hell to earth and r word his best friends girl in front of him physically and mentally destroying her to where whenever she sees guts she tweaks out and also becoming the other half of his son to steal his girl and break him because he can’t touch him is crazy for him to be anywhere but S tier
17:28 tony talking bout how people aint watch hunter x hunter but says merium only played chess 4 times and changed his view point. First off, the mf didnt play 4 times, that mf was playing that shit for days, back to back, nonstop. Thats way more than 4 times. Second of all, it was the chess game that made him change his mind, it was the fact that a blind human (who he considers a lesser life form) was consistently outsmarting him no matter how hard he tried. He was forced to face new information that directly challenged his entire belief system ststem and he had no choice but to gain a new level of respect for humans. He accepted the new reality. Thats what changed his mind.
One of the few anime tier list that give my boy obito respect. Thank you
13:12 bro she is a S tier villain she was obsessed with one of the MC’S and sorry for the spoiler at the end she did some crazy suicidal shit and froze both they asses and they exploded to pixie dust DEAD 💀
Sukuna isn’t S tier now that JJK is over based off of how badly he sold, but I have to say that he WOULD have healed Mechamaru, but obv would’ve killed him right after. We know this because Sukuna mentiones how in his bond with Itadori that he wasn’t willing to bring it because he would be punished, now when we go to Mahito and Geto, Geto mentioned that they also have one of these “pacts” with Mechamaru and they don’t want to face the punishment given if they break the deal. At this point Sukuna hasn’t consumed the fingers in Shibuya so I’m pretty confident Sukuna wouldn’t be able to find some way around the pact like he might be able to later in the series.
Imtracyallen, duckydee, kingchris, tony. All huge Naruto fans on youtube. Shonen showdown has a dude in their squad whose a huge naruto fan and would bash any anime that isnt naruto. Hey naruto is just that anime no matter how many fillers we have. we're probably the only big shonen where even if we get trashed on people will still watch. What about bleach, dont talk to me pffft lol. If bleach starts talking im asleep unless its ichigo, his squad or aizen being a badass.
Frieza literally made an entire SPECIES/RACE of beings nearly extinct
Kaido and Black beard are the walking definition of "Do what the Fu*k I want" Kadio was in wano allowing public beating and execution, didn't care about the people who only laugh, why? Because no one gonna stop him so might as well! How is that not S?
Your friend ain't cooking. Being well written doesn't mean you aren't a villain.
Edit: nevermind neither of you are cooking at all. That Meruem take is horrendous.