Yes, you are correct. Thanks. I mistook the spec from the Hidevolution build as regular Tim on the GPU : Thermal Interface MaterialsThermal Grizzly Conductonaut on CPU and GPU (stock TIM)
@@niko1even2023 G18 has Liquid Metal from factory on both CPU and GPU ( I opened mine and repasted the Liquid Metal) I have the RTX4080 (175watts) i9 13980HX
Good review I’m a huge fan of the channel I have the 2023 strix G18 with RTX4080 and i9 13980HX cpu (both GPU and CPU have Liquid Metal) and it’s a beast I returned the 4090 because it wasn’t worth the extra $1500 over the RTX4080(sweet spot for price to performance ) for a few changes and 10-12% more performance over the 4080.
Thanks, glad you like my channel! Yes, I agree 100% with what you said. I have advised many to skip the 4090 unless you see it on sale. On this machine the 4090 is 30% more expensive for a 10% gain? No thanks!
have the exact same model, got an open box from best buy for 2000, its amazing i tweaked a couple of things in the bios, changed thermal pads and liquid metal for a paste that i use on my laptops even better than the liquid metal. Its a beast ! Also make sure you change the ram for 5600 32gb, dramatically improves system stability where before i was getting hickups while performing benchmarks
@@OWNORDISOWNhello Stephen, your reviews are the ones which i do admire, plus was waiting for your review on Strix Scar 16 2024 model with i9-14900HX, 4080 12 gb, with 32 GB ram, can you advise on this, Have booked it, but need a detailed analysis on its usage pros and cons so far? Can you please let me know it will be helpful in taking my decision ✌️
i remember choosing my first gaming laptop with help of ur reviews! even tho i was not a gamer but because of lights and power i went for them. nowadays i only use macbook pro. build quality on these macs are really another world!! about this laptop ur reviewing i like the back and front LED panels. they look cool and placed in good spots.
are you using macbook for any creative work or mostly productivity? I am torn between macbook m3/4 max (when it comes out) or the much cheaper 4090 legion and scar strix. The 18 inch screen on the scar is what makes it so attractive for video editing that I plan on doing alongside a lot of productivity work. I hate cramming windows into a tiny 14 inch screen that I have now. Would you trade macbook for any of these gaming laptops?
@@batmanonholiday4477 im not a gamer. i got those gaming laptops for their looks. now that im in Macbook world. i see the difference. no way i can get back to other laptops. macbook not only is strong and beautiful. but its safe and mostly teh display... It blows your mind. Black is dead black!!! HDR contents are sooo hot.. u cant believe it. I dont do any productivity. so i got m1 pro 2021 16 inches model. unless ur a producer or something. i think 16 gig ram and m1 pro is morw than enough for anyone.
@@OnlyVegOptionsit was Bad lol😅 my asus G18 i913980HX shorted the motherboard. It was still under warranty so I got my money back and bought an Alienware m16 rtx 4080 with ryzen 9
@@vlone_slatt3504 nice, but then RTX 4080 delivers upto our expectations.? Which games mostly you have tested and played? Is your New laptop 14th gen ?
@@OnlyVegOptions no it’s not the 14th gen this is the (2023 model) I mostly play call of duty MW3, MW2, Cold War, vanguard, BF2042 and black ops ) to name a few. And yes the laptop is a beast and its smaller tho at 16 inches I miss the huge 18 inch screen but this Alienware is more portable and the rtx4080 is always pulling 175 watts to the gpu. Intel right now is not that safe from what I have heard so I got AMD my first time it’s a ryzen 9 7845HX CPU it scores 26,000 in cinebench R3 And time spy =18,425 but when overlocked aggressively I have scored 19,425
Thanks for the review as always, it seems like performance has not increased much over last year, which is to be expected as only the CPU was updated. I really wished that I had waited just a year to buy a scar model. I bought my ROG Scar 16 with the 1048 zone mini LED screen last year instead of the Scar 18. What held me back from getting the Scar 18 was it not having a mini led screen. Now that it has a Mini-LED screen this year AND has double the dimming zones as the Scar 16 last year, I feel so left out haha! If I can get my hands on the new Scar 16 panel with double the dimming zones, I will likely attempt to install the new panel on my current 2023 model.
How is the performance so far in 1 year of usage, can you share experiences like any issues or how good gaming is in long term.. i have booked strix scar 16 2024 model with 4080, so need more information
@@OnlyVegOptions It's my daily driver that replaced my desktop and previous laptop. I use it for college classes and gaming, and so far it has been an absolute pleasure. The screen is amazingly fast, vibrant, and so lifelike. If feels like the lighting in games just are popping out of the screen. Absolutely fantastic for HDR, it looks miles better than my Odyssey G7. There is blooming, but you can turn of local dimming for casual use in the armory crate app. I've been digging the RTX HDR feature and have been absolutely spoiled by the amazing HDR capabilities. The keyboard and trackpad are comfortable to use for browsing and typing out word docs. The speakers sound great once I did some EQ within the Dolby Atmos app. Battery life isn't fantastic but it lasts around 4-5 hours and I carry around a power bank that acts like a backup battery. It's enough to get me through a day of lectures. I was worried that the plastic frame would make it feel cheap, but the finish on the deck is a sort of soft touch (not rubberized) coating that feels really nice and the chassis itself is pretty rigid (except for the lid, it flexes a bit). The serviceability is pretty good, most parts are accessible. I did replace the liquid metal with PTM7950 and the stock thermal putty with TG-PP10 on the VRMs and VRAM. I undervolted the CPU by 125mV and was able to achieve around 33k on Cinebench R23 with max fans. I was able to undervolt it to -155mV and got around 34.6k but I blue screened often. Still pretty insane results imo. Gpu temps are around 84c and CPU around 90c while gaming. On performance, the GPU wattage was around 135-140w. On turbo, it was around 160-175w. Super heavy loads can max out the throttle limit on both the CPU and GPU (87c on GPU and 95c on CPU), but they did maintain decent clock speeds. Overall, it's a well thought-out laptop that feels like it will stay relevant for a while to come, especially since it has a 4080 mobile which supports frame gen and a 1440p 240hz mini led display that looks unbelievably amazing.
@@niko1even thanks for your detailed analysis on usage so far, really helpful, I have already booked Strix scar 16 2024 , 14900HX, awaiting for it to arrive & share view with all yaa
I'm planning to buy this laptop but the price is very tough and i need detailed info and experts opinion for this scar 18 and iwant to have future proof laptops. But im scared because they said nvidia will release 50 series cards next year, should i buy this or just wait next year for new 50 series cards? Thanks and subs!
This laptop is amazing for its size and weight. Runs 1440p games in max settings with the RTX4090 mobile graphics. If money is an issue and you can wait one more year then I would wait till 2025 when the RTX 4090 mobile chips will be out. The screen is amazing and looks almost as good as my OLED tv.
I am confused between getting this laptop or the Legion pro 7i Gen 9, but I feel like I am leaning more towards this laptop because of the 18' screen and the color accuracy. I have a few questions: 1-What's your impressions on the overall build quality?. 2- I conduct lots of online meetings so I was wondering if the webcam looks good on softwares like Zoom or Microsoft meetings. 3- I don't usually move around with my laptop, but I may require to bring it to an office meeting every couple of weeks or so, also is the weight of the laptop tolerable to walk around with or will I require a trolley bag?. 4- Lastly, which laptop would you recommend? this one or the Legion pro 7i Gen 9?
Hi, first, I would like to thank you for watching my video. For a couple of years I used the Legion 5 pro and then a legion 7. I loved both, although the track pads rattled and actually failed on the 5 pro. But Lenovo has excellent warranty, they sent a tech to my house and fixed it. Even after it expires it is cheap to do an extended warranty so that alone is worth a lot in my opinion. I've not had to deal with Asus on any laptop repairs, I only owned one for any period of time and didn't have any issues. In testing I have had issues with their fans clicking but this scar 18 was flawless. When I had the 16" 16x10 Legion panel I was singing it's praises. They were the first with this aspect ratio and I loved it. I now have a 17" 16x10 panel on my Tracer Vii and I must admit I would not go back to 16", and to be honest I have tied three 18" 16x10 panels and I really like the size. This one on the Asus Strix Scar 18 I would say is the best. The one on the Titan 18HX which I have just tested was nice, it has a higher resolution but if gaming is your focus I prefer this 240Hz over the 120 Hz on that. So yeah, i do like the 18" better than the 16". The difference in weight is negligible. Half pound at most, plus Legion always use a larger power brick so that will offset that somewhat. At just over 6.5 lbs the Asus is very portable for its size. I thought the Webcam was 1080p and the mic was fine when I tested it in my stream. I thought it was fine. Lenovo usually has better cameras and mics though, but you can always buy an external one if you find it lacking. In sure it will be just as good in zoom or teams. Looking at the pricing. The Legion is listed at $3640, so $260 lower than the Asus. Plus Lenovo has coupons for students, military etc. Hidevolution will give you $50 off if you mention my channel (ask Ted) , or if you can find it at Gentechpc there is no sales tax if you don't live in California (talk with Ken). They also often have a 3% code for cash purchases. One concern I have on the Legion is the longevity of the paste. I had to repaste my Legion 7 and I know others had too within a year. The build quality on the Asus is not as nice as the Lenovo, but there weren't any creaks or flex and the chassis was very cool to the touch. More so than any legion I have used.
Thanks for such detailed comparison And regarding coil whine, I feel that it happen with Asus much more often than with Lenovo. Is your scar 18 affected by it much?
@@alexs1852you are welcome. No, this unit had no coil wine or any issues at all, apart from that stuttering in Hogwarts which is common with these 32 thread CPUs . I liked how easy it was to change settings in there software too, all I one place. Legion is the same but MSI has it all over the place.
@@OWNORDISOWNThanks so much for your thorough explanation, I really appreciate it. From what I've seen across different manufacturers, I realize there isn't a perfect laptop. However, the display panel on the Scar 18 is really pushing me in that direction, even though I might need to add a skin on the whole laptop to make it look a bit more professional for meetings. Thanks again, and I'm looking forward to your next videos!
Please answer this if you have time. Does the ROG Strix Scar 18 have that rubberized coating on the inside of laptop? Many Dell computers and Alienware computers have that soft touch rubberized coating that scratches off after a few years. Some computers also have this rubberized coating on the keys. I called ASUS and they couldn't tell me if the computer had that rubberized coating on the computer where you rest your palms when typing.
Nice review stephen. You actually made a review rather than an AD. Because you specifically clarified that panel coating. More useful info than any other techtuber. I like how this big 18' premium laptop cools the same wattage as a thinner and lighter 16' 175w 4080/4090 laptops. Either asus is incapable of cooling more wattage than thinner laptops or nvidia is so afraid of their mobile gpu's stability and quality that they have to limit the wattages. Neither is a good reason. I'd love to hear these companies explanation. The laptop is good, but once again, the GPU lets it down HARD. This 4090m is more like a 4070ti super at best. You don't even get a real desktop 4090 at this price point.
Thanks Eric. Yes, after playing around with the laptop more after the stream I decided it deserved to have it's own review. I didn't write a script, nor did I shoot lots of B-roll. That saved a bunch of time. It's about time that Nvidia throws more watts at these GPUs!
@@OWNORDISOWN Impressive if done without script. Indeed. More wattage and more honest naming. AND letting OEM's push laptops. I am quite sure not many of these ultra expensive laptops get sold, so might as well let OEM's sell proper desktop 4090's. Stephen, can you cover nvidia's attitude change since pascal? During pascal nvidia was interested in pushing laptops to the edge of performance. They somewhat kept it up with turing and then kept lowering it with ampere and lovelace.
You're comparing apples to oranges. You can't move a desktop around. The fact these laptops are as (or more) powerful than full-blown Nvidia 3 series desktops is remarkable. Alongside a class leading display instead of a monitor.
@@fmulleady During the gtx 1000 series, the gtx 1080 went upto 200w in a clevo laptop. Literally more than the 180w desktop 1080 and as a result beat it in perf. There were also sli gtx 1080 laptops with an oc'd i7 and that laptop had to be designed to cool 350w+ of power. During rtx 2000 we had 200w rtx 2080/su'er laptops. And, the 200w rtx 6000 quadro, basically a 2080ti with extra cores and 24gb of vram. So no, the comparison is apt given the history of laptop cooling.
@@siyzerixthe gaming & creator laptops are more efficient than the desktops. Some are even delivering workable battery life off the mains. These Nvidia 4 series mobile cards mostly exceed the graphics performance of the 30 series desktop cards. The main issue are the exorbitant prices but if people can wait for discounts rather than buying on release, it can be worthwhile. Can you imagine a laptop drawing the same power as a desktop 4090? The improvements in visual fidelity and graphical performance on laptops has been pretty good overall.
I´m an architect and occasional gamer. I´m wondering how would this machine fare for architectural 3D modelling and rendering? Could anyone share some thoughts? Thanks!
@@cueball981yeah, $5400. They won't sell many of those. It is starting to get me mad how expensive things are now. Took the kids to Five Guys, a fast food burger place. It's $17 for burger and fries. I could go to a bar for that and even grab a beer!
@@OWNORDISOWN Yup! I live in Phoenix, AZ. We have 5 Guys here too, but I'd much prefer spending $2-3 more going to my local burger and brew joint, which serves the best burgers in the state, IMHO. I'd much rather put $5k into a KILLER desktop than a laptop.
@@cueball981that’s true at a certain price point $4500 plus laptops stop becoming worth it might as well just build a desktop or pre build $5000 for a laptop is insane 😂
7600x desktop CPU consums 65 watts. Laptop CPU 14900HX more than 80.... :( 100% sure 7600x has better 1% lows and gaming perfomance. Do we really need so many e-cores to make 1% lows unstable? Wasting money on I9 for sure. Even 7800x3d consumes 85 watts...
@@OWNORDISOWN thanks for your answer, i own an AW M16R1 7845hx with a 4080 and im “moving” to the 4080 scar for the bigger/better display, numeric kb and cpu, i just wanted to know if youve found a sweet spot in gpu V/mhz for better performance/temperature for reference, loved the review btw im totally undervolting cpu like you did, keep it up
@@federicoayup863 thanks, appreciate it. I did do a guide using the MSI afterburner voltage curve but it was a while back. Most of the time the GPU is well below the 87 deg throttle temperature so I generally haven't found the need to do it often. If anything I overckock the GPU to squeeze out an extra 5% or so.
I using the Asus 18 one with 14900 chipt I right now used the new 18 inch MSI for days before switching the speed difference on the Asus litterly put the MSI down in the box lol other than a no Hello equipped camera for m such new logs in is expanding
Yeah, it not ideal for that situation. You can just use OBS streamlabs and resize the image to fully fit the recording area but you will lose some of the screen of course.
My G18 rtx4080 doesn’t need a cooling pad just set in on the desk and game never had any issues . Gpu stays at 83c in turbo and cpu at 85c and in manual mode (max fan) Gpu stays at 79c
I will be mentioning them both in the Titan review but the Asus was faster. The Titan's 14900HX in CB R23 was running 126W to 140W and 95 deg C. The Asus was 145w to 172W and 93 deg C. The Titan was thermally throttling and power limit throttling. I did try a - 80mv I on the Titan and didn't see an improvement in its score, so I also tried the Imon tweak and it would not boot with the usual 50 slope and - 31999 offset. I tried a lower level but it was still throttling. The GPU performance was similar, although I would say it was slightly worse. The screen on the Titan seemed brighter to me but both are bright. Very bright. But the 120Hz on the Titan meant there was ghosting 8n my test, although I think you need ninja eyes to see it game play. There is no Gsync on the Titan, although I thought it was OK as tearing was concerned. Battery life, Titan got 3 hours 40 minutes, so 2 hours less than this Asus. Build quality on the Titan is much better but fan noise is much more. Speakers about the same. Webcam was much worse on the Titan., as was the mic. The Titan does have 3 m.2 slots and two of mine were in Raid. For the price difference I would definitely get the Asus.
@@PlayVolethere is a 10% performance difference between the 4090 and the 4080 yet there is a great price difference between them. The 4080 is best value option and is the one I would get. Bare in mind that most game snow how DLSS or FSR and even more now have some kind of frame generation so that 4080 won't be holding you back for a long time.
@@OWNORDISOWNlovely, i believe Strix Scar 16 2024 with i9-14900HX , rtx 4080 will be still providing better thermals and performance, Can you please create a overclocking and undervolting video for this model & if we get good performance boost
Thanks Sergei. I do mention the wattage so it's clear it's not the desktop varient....and I think the vast majority of us know that it's not the desktop version in the laptop
@@OWNORDISOWN Pascal and Turing were also different on wattage but those were the same GPUs. Please don't let Nvidia get away with this deceptive naming.
@@OWNORDISOWNActually you'd be surprised how many people still associate and will do because laptop and desktop gpu's use the same moniker. The tdp will still not clear up the confusion.
It's a shame we can no longer get mxm cards. This is what laptops should be doing, and make them affordable so we can swap out a GPU like we do on desktops. I remember Hidevolution was going to charge me $2k for an Rtx 2080 and take out my 1080. Still, my Clevo is still rocking it. It's a workhorse for sure.
Yes indeed, however the winner was this Asus... I tried the imon tweak on the MSI and it wouldn't boot with the usual slope of 50 and offset of- 31999. I also also undervolted it and unfortunately it was till being thermally and power limit throttled. The GPU wasn't far off this one though
Forgetting that everything is so unbelievably expensive in life these days, this still isn't worth 3 grand. I don't care that it's a 4090 or how they spin it. There's literally not enough in metal and plastic to ask that much.
Man I really wish I didn't spend money on the alienware area 51m. It didn't deliver on its upgrade path and its so bulky too. I regret it so much. I could have bought one of these.
Yeah, i know what you mean. I think manufacturers should make laptops more upgradable and have affordable mxm GPUs and socketed CPUs, or even a CPU that can sit on a PCB that we can swap in and out. But they must make heaps of profits on these systems. I know that system integrators like Hidevolution don't make too much, so it's all on the OEM.
Nice review as always, Stephen. 👍 Damn, that price point... even if I had plenty money, I wouldn't afford that because it is way too expensive for my taste. Laptops should be priced max at $2500 or 2500€. Anything over that, it's a big no. They can flaunt on how good performance it offers and on how good cooling it offers... All is good except the price. MAYBE I would buy it if they included MXM cards... yes, that's a pipe dream 😅 Honestly, those many cores... I don't think it is worth because even with hybrid architecture Intel hasn't done anything to improve at all (like battery life and something else). Look at the power of i9-14900KS... Sure, those laptops are probably "desktop replacement" but still...
Love your videos but sorry it isn’t the fastest bought it and returned it due to the 2024 MSI Titan 18HX it sustains better speeds on both CPU and GPU than the scar
For all owners of the Scar 18, when the fan starts ramping up, do you guys hear this very vexing high-pitched noise like in this video? This is especially bad with the left fan (GPU fan). Has anyone found a solution? th-cam.com/video/QA1gJVWhbqI/w-d-xo.html
@@vitalymichailov387I'll have to take a look at it. It's been a while since I used my desktop, perhaps I have it set to limit the temperature in the Bios.
I had mine for 2 months, it was awesome laptop, than yesterday it started to burn inside just like that, sparks started to go out and smoke. It smelt like a gun powder and it died. New expensive laptop burned just like that. It was not even in use at that time. I was lucky I was just near the laptop, otherwise who knows what could happened. I am doomed.
It's a fast laptop, but after about a month of use, it starts to stutter. So it's unusable in games. You give it a complaint and they tell you that everything is fine. So what's the problem? The problem is directly Asus. Never buy gaming laptops from them and.😮
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2024 models have liquid metal on both cpu and gpu
Yes, you are correct. Thanks. I mistook the spec from the Hidevolution build as regular Tim on the GPU :
Thermal Interface MaterialsThermal Grizzly Conductonaut on CPU and GPU (stock TIM)
Both 2023 and 2024 Scar 16/18 models should have liquid metal on both the GPU and CPU. (not to be confused with the G16/G18)
@@niko1even2023 G18 has Liquid Metal from factory on both CPU and GPU ( I opened mine and repasted the Liquid Metal) I have the RTX4080 (175watts) i9 13980HX
2023 and 2024 have both liquid metal.
@@niko1evenAsus put liquid metal on both the cpu and gpu for regular 2023 Strix G18 4080/4090 also.
Daaaayuuum those prices... Kidneys, its bad night for both of ya...
Yeah, eye watering prices. The MSI Titan 18HX is even worse $5400!!
@@OWNORDISOWNWell the Titan is 4k with 128 GB ram, but why would anyone need 128GB
@@adrian_kayeI agree, I guess if you are editing a 4k video whilst playing a game and editing a photo. Lol
Good review I’m a huge fan of the channel I have the 2023 strix G18 with RTX4080 and i9 13980HX cpu (both GPU and CPU have Liquid Metal) and it’s a beast I returned the 4090 because it wasn’t worth the extra $1500 over the RTX4080(sweet spot for price to performance ) for a few changes and 10-12% more performance over the 4080.
Thanks, glad you like my channel! Yes, I agree 100% with what you said. I have advised many to skip the 4090 unless you see it on sale. On this machine the 4090 is 30% more expensive for a 10% gain? No thanks!
have the exact same model, got an open box from best buy for 2000, its amazing i tweaked a couple of things in the bios, changed thermal pads and liquid metal for a paste that i use on my laptops even better than the liquid metal. Its a beast ! Also make sure you change the ram for 5600 32gb, dramatically improves system stability where before i was getting hickups while performing benchmarks
@@danieljones2016 where did you buy the ram what’s the name ?
@@OWNORDISOWNhello Stephen, your reviews are the ones which i do admire, plus was waiting for your review on Strix Scar 16 2024 model with i9-14900HX, 4080 12 gb, with 32 GB ram, can you advise on this, Have booked it, but need a detailed analysis on its usage pros and cons so far? Can you please let me know it will be helpful in taking my decision ✌️
@@vlone_slatt3504he has not awnsered it's what I want to know
The MSI Titan 18 HX review will follow shortly. See how it stacks up against this Scar 18 by subscribing: bit.ly/OWNorDisown
i remember choosing my first gaming laptop with help of ur reviews! even tho i was not a gamer but because of lights and power i went for them. nowadays i only use macbook pro. build quality on these macs are really another world!! about this laptop ur reviewing i like the back and front LED panels. they look cool and placed in good spots.
are you using macbook for any creative work or mostly productivity? I am torn between macbook m3/4 max (when it comes out) or the much cheaper 4090 legion and scar strix. The 18 inch screen on the scar is what makes it so attractive for video editing that I plan on doing alongside a lot of productivity work. I hate cramming windows into a tiny 14 inch screen that I have now. Would you trade macbook for any of these gaming laptops?
@@batmanonholiday4477 im not a gamer. i got those gaming laptops for their looks. now that im in Macbook world. i see the difference. no way i can get back to other laptops. macbook not only is strong and beautiful. but its safe and mostly teh display... It blows your mind. Black is dead black!!! HDR contents are sooo hot.. u cant believe it. I dont do any productivity. so i got m1 pro 2021 16 inches model. unless ur a producer or something. i think 16 gig ram and m1 pro is morw than enough for anyone.
Flawless explainations as always. Thanks for the review!
Thanks Harry!
It's good but I'll be keeping my Rog Scar 18 2023 for around 3-4 years before upgrading.
Makes sense to me :)
How is your experience with 13th Gen CPU so far?
@@OnlyVegOptionsit was Bad lol😅 my asus G18 i913980HX shorted the motherboard. It was still under warranty so I got my money back and bought an Alienware m16 rtx 4080 with ryzen 9
@@vlone_slatt3504 nice, but then RTX 4080 delivers upto our expectations.? Which games mostly you have tested and played?
Is your New laptop 14th gen ?
@@OnlyVegOptions no it’s not the 14th gen this is the (2023 model) I mostly play call of duty MW3, MW2, Cold War, vanguard, BF2042 and black ops ) to name a few. And yes the laptop is a beast and its smaller tho at 16 inches I miss the huge 18 inch screen but this Alienware is more portable and the rtx4080 is always pulling 175 watts to the gpu. Intel right now is not that safe from what I have heard so I got AMD my first time it’s a ryzen 9 7845HX CPU it scores 26,000 in cinebench R3
And time spy =18,425 but when overlocked aggressively I have scored 19,425
I liked this laptop, but the plastic chassis has put me off especially for the price.....
Thanks for the review as always, it seems like performance has not increased much over last year, which is to be expected as only the CPU was updated.
I really wished that I had waited just a year to buy a scar model. I bought my ROG Scar 16 with the 1048 zone mini LED screen last year instead of the Scar 18. What held me back from getting the Scar 18 was it not having a mini led screen. Now that it has a Mini-LED screen this year AND has double the dimming zones as the Scar 16 last year, I feel so left out haha!
If I can get my hands on the new Scar 16 panel with double the dimming zones, I will likely attempt to install the new panel on my current 2023 model.
How is the performance so far in 1 year of usage, can you share experiences like any issues or how good gaming is in long term.. i have booked strix scar 16 2024 model with 4080, so need more information
@@OnlyVegOptions It's my daily driver that replaced my desktop and previous laptop. I use it for college classes and gaming, and so far it has been an absolute pleasure.
The screen is amazingly fast, vibrant, and so lifelike. If feels like the lighting in games just are popping out of the screen. Absolutely fantastic for HDR, it looks miles better than my Odyssey G7. There is blooming, but you can turn of local dimming for casual use in the armory crate app. I've been digging the RTX HDR feature and have been absolutely spoiled by the amazing HDR capabilities.
The keyboard and trackpad are comfortable to use for browsing and typing out word docs. The speakers sound great once I did some EQ within the Dolby Atmos app.
Battery life isn't fantastic but it lasts around 4-5 hours and I carry around a power bank that acts like a backup battery. It's enough to get me through a day of lectures.
I was worried that the plastic frame would make it feel cheap, but the finish on the deck is a sort of soft touch (not rubberized) coating that feels really nice and the chassis itself is pretty rigid (except for the lid, it flexes a bit).
The serviceability is pretty good, most parts are accessible. I did replace the liquid metal with PTM7950 and the stock thermal putty with TG-PP10 on the VRMs and VRAM. I undervolted the CPU by 125mV and was able to achieve around 33k on Cinebench R23 with max fans. I was able to undervolt it to -155mV and got around 34.6k but I blue screened often. Still pretty insane results imo.
Gpu temps are around 84c and CPU around 90c while gaming. On performance, the GPU wattage was around 135-140w. On turbo, it was around 160-175w. Super heavy loads can max out the throttle limit on both the CPU and GPU (87c on GPU and 95c on CPU), but they did maintain decent clock speeds.
Overall, it's a well thought-out laptop that feels like it will stay relevant for a while to come, especially since it has a 4080 mobile which supports frame gen and a 1440p 240hz mini led display that looks unbelievably amazing.
@@niko1even thanks for your detailed analysis on usage so far, really helpful, I have already booked Strix scar 16 2024 , 14900HX, awaiting for it to arrive & share view with all yaa
I remeber watching you way back in like 2018 excited to get a Cyber Power 1060 laptop... we have come so far
From other reviews it seems that the 7945HX3D slightly outperforms it in both multicore and games overall.
Yeah. I would love to try one with that CPU
Tx for the perfect review
Thanks, appreciate you watching it 😀👍
I'm still debating between this and the MSI Titan 18. Every other video I see about either one calls each "THE BEST"
I'm deciding between this and the Acer Helios 18.
Hello thanks for amazing video, lenovo legion i9 or asus rog strix scar 18 for gaming?
Thanks, glad you liked it! I'm rather partial to an 18" screen so I would be tempted to go that route
very thorough, thank you. now i really know what im getting
I'm planning to buy this laptop but the price is very tough and i need detailed info and experts opinion for this scar 18 and iwant to have future proof laptops. But im scared because they said nvidia will release 50 series cards next year, should i buy this or just wait next year for new 50 series cards? Thanks and subs!
get the strix g18 with a 4080 and put in 32gb ddr5600 ram and your set, can get an open box for 2g at best buy
This laptop is amazing for its size and weight. Runs 1440p games in max settings with the RTX4090 mobile graphics. If money is an issue and you can wait one more year then I would wait till 2025 when the RTX 4090 mobile chips will be out. The screen is amazing and looks almost as good as my OLED tv.
Buy this when they release the 50 series laptops b/c the price will be discounted
Please review the newly launched MSI Raider GE78HX V14 RTX 4090. Thank you.
I was a fan of the 13th Gen. I'll see what I can do 👍
@@OWNORDISOWN Thank you, appreciate it. I notice currently there isn't not much video on the latest V14 model.
@@pigtorlaiill have to see if I can get it 👍
Is 62.4 Celsius for the ac adapter/power supply normal while gaming?
I am confused between getting this laptop or the Legion pro 7i Gen 9, but I feel like I am leaning more towards this laptop because of the 18' screen and the color accuracy. I have a few questions: 1-What's your impressions on the overall build quality?. 2- I conduct lots of online meetings so I was wondering if the webcam looks good on softwares like Zoom or Microsoft meetings. 3- I don't usually move around with my laptop, but I may require to bring it to an office meeting every couple of weeks or so, also is the weight of the laptop tolerable to walk around with or will I require a trolley bag?. 4- Lastly, which laptop would you recommend? this one or the Legion pro 7i Gen 9?
Hi, first, I would like to thank you for watching my video. For a couple of years I used the Legion 5 pro and then a legion 7. I loved both, although the track pads rattled and actually failed on the 5 pro. But Lenovo has excellent warranty, they sent a tech to my house and fixed it. Even after it expires it is cheap to do an extended warranty so that alone is worth a lot in my opinion.
I've not had to deal with Asus on any laptop repairs, I only owned one for any period of time and didn't have any issues. In testing I have had issues with their fans clicking but this scar 18 was flawless.
When I had the 16" 16x10 Legion panel I was singing it's praises. They were the first with this aspect ratio and I loved it. I now have a 17" 16x10 panel on my Tracer Vii and I must admit I would not go back to 16", and to be honest I have tied three 18" 16x10 panels and I really like the size. This one on the Asus Strix Scar 18 I would say is the best.
The one on the Titan 18HX which I have just tested was nice, it has a higher resolution but if gaming is your focus I prefer this 240Hz over the 120 Hz on that.
So yeah, i do like the 18" better than the 16".
The difference in weight is negligible. Half pound at most, plus Legion always use a larger power brick so that will offset that somewhat. At just over 6.5 lbs the Asus is very portable for its size.
I thought the Webcam was 1080p and the mic was fine when I tested it in my stream. I thought it was fine. Lenovo usually has better cameras and mics though, but you can always buy an external one if you find it lacking.
In sure it will be just as good in zoom or teams.
Looking at the pricing. The Legion is listed at $3640, so $260 lower than the Asus. Plus Lenovo has coupons for students, military etc.
Hidevolution will give you $50 off if you mention my channel (ask Ted) , or if you can find it at Gentechpc there is no sales tax if you don't live in California (talk with Ken). They also often have a 3% code for cash purchases.
One concern I have on the Legion is the longevity of the paste. I had to repaste my Legion 7 and I know others had too within a year.
The build quality on the Asus is not as nice as the Lenovo, but there weren't any creaks or flex and the chassis was very cool to the touch. More so than any legion I have used.
Thanks for such detailed comparison
And regarding coil whine, I feel that it happen with Asus much more often than with Lenovo. Is your scar 18 affected by it much?
@@alexs1852you are welcome. No, this unit had no coil wine or any issues at all, apart from that stuttering in Hogwarts which is common with these 32 thread CPUs . I liked how easy it was to change settings in there software too, all I one place. Legion is the same but MSI has it all over the place.
@@OWNORDISOWNThanks so much for your thorough explanation, I really appreciate it. From what I've seen across different manufacturers, I realize there isn't a perfect laptop. However, the display panel on the Scar 18 is really pushing me in that direction, even though I might need to add a skin on the whole laptop to make it look a bit more professional for meetings. Thanks again, and I'm looking forward to your next videos!
@@boxheadsagaThanks! My buddy Chris (he was on the livestream) runs m2skins, he might be able to help you out on a skin.
Please answer this if you have time. Does the ROG Strix Scar 18 have that rubberized coating on the inside of laptop? Many Dell computers and Alienware computers have that soft touch rubberized coating that scratches off after a few years. Some computers also have this rubberized coating on the keys. I called ASUS and they couldn't tell me if the computer had that rubberized coating on the computer where you rest your palms when typing.
no rubberized coating. I owned the 4080 model.
No rubberized coating. I have the 4090 model
@@danieljones2016your usage view so far with your model
Nice review!
Glad you enjoyed it
Nice review stephen. You actually made a review rather than an AD. Because you specifically clarified that panel coating. More useful info than any other techtuber.
I like how this big 18' premium laptop cools the same wattage as a thinner and lighter 16' 175w 4080/4090 laptops. Either asus is incapable of cooling more wattage than thinner laptops or nvidia is so afraid of their mobile gpu's stability and quality that they have to limit the wattages. Neither is a good reason. I'd love to hear these companies explanation.
The laptop is good, but once again, the GPU lets it down HARD. This 4090m is more like a 4070ti super at best. You don't even get a real desktop 4090 at this price point.
Thanks Eric. Yes, after playing around with the laptop more after the stream I decided it deserved to have it's own review. I didn't write a script, nor did I shoot lots of B-roll. That saved a bunch of time.
It's about time that Nvidia throws more watts at these GPUs!
@@OWNORDISOWN Impressive if done without script.
Indeed. More wattage and more honest naming. AND letting OEM's push laptops. I am quite sure not many of these ultra expensive laptops get sold, so might as well let OEM's sell proper desktop 4090's.
Stephen, can you cover nvidia's attitude change since pascal? During pascal nvidia was interested in pushing laptops to the edge of performance. They somewhat kept it up with turing and then kept lowering it with ampere and lovelace.
You're comparing apples to oranges. You can't move a desktop around. The fact these laptops are as (or more) powerful than full-blown Nvidia 3 series desktops is remarkable. Alongside a class leading display instead of a monitor.
@@fmulleady During the gtx 1000 series, the gtx 1080 went upto 200w in a clevo laptop. Literally more than the 180w desktop 1080 and as a result beat it in perf. There were also sli gtx 1080 laptops with an oc'd i7 and that laptop had to be designed to cool 350w+ of power.
During rtx 2000 we had 200w rtx 2080/su'er laptops. And, the 200w rtx 6000 quadro, basically a 2080ti with extra cores and 24gb of vram.
So no, the comparison is apt given the history of laptop cooling.
@@siyzerixthe gaming & creator laptops are more efficient than the desktops. Some are even delivering workable battery life off the mains. These Nvidia 4 series mobile cards mostly exceed the graphics performance of the 30 series desktop cards. The main issue are the exorbitant prices but if people can wait for discounts rather than buying on release, it can be worthwhile.
Can you imagine a laptop drawing the same power as a desktop 4090? The improvements in visual fidelity and graphical performance on laptops has been pretty good overall.
My god. This laptop costs 1/3 of the money i bought my car for lol.
Lol, the MSI Titan 18 HX is actually half the price of your car 🤣
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Thank you so much. Love you mister❤
I´m an architect and occasional gamer. I´m wondering how would this machine fare for architectural 3D modelling and rendering? Could anyone share some thoughts? Thanks!
Hey I noticed when you turned off e cores your p cores was only set to 5? Did you do that purposely?
Great review! Thanks!
...and I thought $2699 US for my M18R1 was expensive! Wow!
Lol, yeah, i think things have gotten out of hand. Wait till you see what the MSI Titan 18 HX costs!
@@OWNORDISOWN you eluded to it being over $5K, which is ridiculous! This isn't Apple! Lol!
@@cueball981yeah, $5400. They won't sell many of those. It is starting to get me mad how expensive things are now. Took the kids to Five Guys, a fast food burger place. It's $17 for burger and fries. I could go to a bar for that and even grab a beer!
@@OWNORDISOWN Yup! I live in Phoenix, AZ. We have 5 Guys here too, but I'd much prefer spending $2-3 more going to my local burger and brew joint, which serves the best burgers in the state, IMHO. I'd much rather put $5k into a KILLER desktop than a laptop.
@@cueball981that’s true at a certain price point $4500 plus laptops stop becoming worth it might as well just build a desktop or pre build $5000 for a laptop is insane 😂
3 fans? Finally some thought poured on engineering.
I was impressed with the cooling for sure 👍
More moving parts, more chances for stuff to break
more moving parts = 3 fans? really lol@@Usernotknown21
7600x desktop CPU consums 65 watts. Laptop CPU 14900HX more than 80.... :( 100% sure 7600x has better 1% lows and gaming perfomance. Do we really need so many e-cores to make 1% lows unstable? Wasting money on I9 for sure. Even 7800x3d consumes 85 watts...
Yeah, i agree. My 12800HX with 8 cores was fine. We don't need 16. Waste of time for gaming.
Any way we can stop E cores being utilized when we need .?
@@OnlyVegOptions yes, if have Asus laptop, you can disable e-cores
@@blondegirl7240 yes, but do they completely stop? I think no, yes I did see option in Armoury Carate
@@OnlyVegOptions based on reviews I can, yes it does stop them
This and extremely expensive MSI Titan 18 HX are the two top gaming laptops money can buy in 2024.
great review, thank you so much, have you tried gpu undervolting and oc with msi afterburner?
@@federicoayup863 thanks! I have done on other machines but didn't on this one.
@@OWNORDISOWN thanks for your answer, i own an AW M16R1 7845hx with a 4080 and im “moving” to the 4080 scar for the bigger/better display, numeric kb and cpu, i just wanted to know if youve found a sweet spot in gpu V/mhz for better performance/temperature for reference, loved the review btw im totally undervolting cpu like you did, keep it up
@@federicoayup863 thanks, appreciate it. I did do a guide using the MSI afterburner voltage curve but it was a while back. Most of the time the GPU is well below the 87 deg throttle temperature so I generally haven't found the need to do it often. If anything I overckock the GPU to squeeze out an extra 5% or so.
@@OWNORDISOWN thank you so much, cant wait for it to arrive, your review was very helpful
I`m planning to get cooling pad for this beast. Can anyone recommend one for 18 inch laptop
I'm being sent one to review. Supposed to fit upto a 21" machine. Looks good. Stay tuned.
@@OWNORDISOWNwaiting for this cooling pad review
Can you give a 240hz screen laptop sir I need a laptop ?
I using the Asus 18 one with 14900 chipt I right now used the new 18 inch MSI for days before switching the speed difference on the Asus litterly put the MSI down in the box lol other than a no Hello equipped camera for m such new logs in is expanding
Will the new scar 17 be relased or is asus postponing this year
I suspect they will stick with the 16"and 18"
my concern about these laptops are the black bars on the sides when recording.
Yeah, it not ideal for that situation. You can just use OBS streamlabs and resize the image to fully fit the recording area but you will lose some of the screen of course.
any liquid metal problem after long term usage? someone says they will malposition after some time, leakage to the motherboard
I've heard that before with Asus laptops but I thought they put a better barrier down now. I've not done a tear down to see.
@@OWNORDISOWN thanks!
Does it need cooling pad while intensive gaming?
My G18 rtx4080 doesn’t need a cooling pad just set in on the desk and game never had any issues . Gpu stays at 83c in turbo and cpu at 85c and in manual mode (max fan) Gpu stays at 79c
Hey anyone can help me, whether to get scar 16 2023 rtx 4080 or 2024 version because 2023 version is good 400 dollars cheaper in my country.
Where ? 2023 is in stock ? Can you give me more details, i am interested
@@OnlyVegOptionsbought it in India from the local Asus showroom .
@@amankumar-ft2ck can you provide pricing in INR?
Also which state?
@@OnlyVegOptions In bihar ( Patna). I paid about 2 lakh 55 thousand.
Why my asus rog scar 18 2024 with RTX 4090 still getting 27k multi score ? With turbo mode and under volt to 🙏 please guide me
What undervolt do you have? That is low score though. Is it thermally throttling? How many watts is it pulling?
How difficult replace the battery and ram?
Not difficult at all. Just need the proper tools to open the back of the laptop. Popping these cases open is pretty simple. Just a lot of screws lol
@@shinvdoom the battery not glued right? Pretty simple to be taken out?
How do you say this compares with the MSI Titan 18HX?
I will be mentioning them both in the Titan review but the Asus was faster. The Titan's 14900HX in CB R23 was running 126W to 140W and 95 deg C. The Asus was 145w to 172W and 93 deg C. The Titan was thermally throttling and power limit throttling. I did try a - 80mv I on the Titan and didn't see an improvement in its score, so I also tried the Imon tweak and it would not boot with the usual 50 slope and - 31999 offset. I tried a lower level but it was still throttling.
The GPU performance was similar, although I would say it was slightly worse.
The screen on the Titan seemed brighter to me but both are bright. Very bright. But the 120Hz on the Titan meant there was ghosting 8n my test, although I think you need ninja eyes to see it game play.
There is no Gsync on the Titan, although I thought it was OK as tearing was concerned.
Battery life, Titan got 3 hours 40 minutes, so 2 hours less than this Asus.
Build quality on the Titan is much better but fan noise is much more.
Speakers about the same.
Webcam was much worse on the Titan., as was the mic.
The Titan does have 3 m.2 slots and two of mine were in Raid.
For the price difference I would definitely get the Asus.
@@OWNORDISOWN awesome this definitely helped me a lot. I was contemplating which one to get.
@@OWNORDISOWN at first I wanted to get the MSI for the Quality build. Do you think getting the Scar18 in 4090 is better than the 4080?
@@PlayVolethere is a 10% performance difference between the 4090 and the 4080 yet there is a great price difference between them. The 4080 is best value option and is the one I would get. Bare in mind that most game snow how DLSS or FSR and even more now have some kind of frame generation so that 4080 won't be holding you back for a long time.
@@OWNORDISOWNlovely, i believe Strix Scar 16 2024 with i9-14900HX , rtx 4080 will be still providing better thermals and performance, Can you please create a overclocking and undervolting video for this model & if we get good performance boost
Another great review, Stephen. I just wish you didn't call the GPUs the same as the desktop versions.
Thanks Sergei. I do mention the wattage so it's clear it's not the desktop varient....and I think the vast majority of us know that it's not the desktop version in the laptop
@@OWNORDISOWN Pascal and Turing were also different on wattage but those were the same GPUs. Please don't let Nvidia get away with this deceptive naming.
@@OWNORDISOWNActually you'd be surprised how many people still associate and will do because laptop and desktop gpu's use the same moniker. The tdp will still not clear up the confusion.
Wow i will buy that after 10 years😊
They made a good job, but for powerful laptops I will seek something chonky, like sager/clevo. 3 fans is good, but still not enough.
It's a shame we can no longer get mxm cards. This is what laptops should be doing, and make them affordable so we can swap out a GPU like we do on desktops. I remember Hidevolution was going to charge me $2k for an Rtx 2080 and take out my 1080. Still, my Clevo is still rocking it. It's a workhorse for sure.
@@OWNORDISOWN agree on every word, Steven.
Asus Rog Strix Scar 18 : Muhahaha I am the Fastest Laptop !!!
Msi Titan 18 HX : Finally Another Worthy Opponent Our Battle Will Be Legendary !!!
Yes indeed, however the winner was this Asus... I tried the imon tweak on the MSI and it wouldn't boot with the usual slope of 50 and offset of- 31999. I also also undervolted it and unfortunately it was till being thermally and power limit throttled. The GPU wasn't far off this one though
@OWNORDISOWN What about in the Asus, can you set imon tweaks? Is the Scar 18 thermal or power throttled? Please share all the tweaks you did.
My lenovo légion went wrong after 1.5 years, and I changed tó this, very good
Forgetting that everything is so unbelievably expensive in life these days, this still isn't worth 3 grand. I don't care that it's a 4090 or how they spin it. There's literally not enough in metal and plastic to ask that much.
if you go with SAGER, the same specs are cheaper
Man I really wish I didn't spend money on the alienware area 51m. It didn't deliver on its upgrade path and its so bulky too. I regret it so much. I could have bought one of these.
Yeah, i know what you mean. I think manufacturers should make laptops more upgradable and have affordable mxm GPUs and socketed CPUs, or even a CPU that can sit on a PCB that we can swap in and out. But they must make heaps of profits on these systems. I know that system integrators like Hidevolution don't make too much, so it's all on the OEM.
Nice review as always, Stephen. 👍
Damn, that price point... even if I had plenty money, I wouldn't afford that because it is way too expensive for my taste. Laptops should be priced max at $2500 or 2500€. Anything over that, it's a big no.
They can flaunt on how good performance it offers and on how good cooling it offers... All is good except the price.
MAYBE I would buy it if they included MXM cards... yes, that's a pipe dream 😅
Honestly, those many cores... I don't think it is worth because even with hybrid architecture Intel hasn't done anything to improve at all (like battery life and something else). Look at the power of i9-14900KS... Sure, those laptops are probably "desktop replacement" but still...
Thanks Matej :) Yes, this and the crazy expensive Titan 18 HX are too much for me. Even if I had the money I would rather go on a nice holiday!
Love your videos but sorry it isn’t the fastest bought it and returned it due to the 2024 MSI Titan 18HX it sustains better speeds on both CPU and GPU than the scar
Why my score timespy up to 1900+ score. I9 14900HX
Don't know. Is yours with an undervolt?
You might b testing at stock , try undervolting and then check performance benchmarks
Steve I feel like a git. I could have bought an Asus ROG 18" laptop for about the same price as my Lenovo Legion 9i
Wow. That 9i is a nice machine though.
Why what happened??? What's wrong with 9i
Love that machine but if you drop it it's over. Build quality should be alot better.
Certainly for the price, I agree 👍
At these prices i don't think they'll sell 🤷♂️
I'm inclined to agree. I certainly can't afford one.
I prefer Lenovo Legion 7i Pro but this is a great laptop
For all owners of the Scar 18, when the fan starts ramping up, do you guys hear this very vexing high-pitched noise like in this video? This is especially bad with the left fan (GPU fan). Has anyone found a solution? th-cam.com/video/QA1gJVWhbqI/w-d-xo.html
Love this laptop
I liked it too. Was very impressed how cool the chassis was. No sweaty palms on this one 👍
Lol! 13900KF -1812 multicore...My 13900K at stock... 2373 multicore...
Yeah? Mine must suck then, lol!!
@@OWNORDISOWN Yes...Yours power limit throttling, or thermal throttling))) Mine without limits. 340 watts+)))in cinebench r24
@@vitalymichailov387I'll have to take a look at it. It's been a while since I used my desktop, perhaps I have it set to limit the temperature in the Bios.
What a beauty
Ur a cool dude 👍
I had mine for 2 months, it was awesome laptop, than yesterday it started to burn inside just like that, sparks started to go out and smoke. It smelt like a gun powder and it died. New expensive laptop burned just like that. It was not even in use at that time. I was lucky I was just near the laptop, otherwise who knows what could happened. I am doomed.
It's a fast laptop, but after about a month of use, it starts to stutter. So it's unusable in games. You give it a complaint and they tell you that everything is fine. So what's the problem? The problem is directly Asus. Never buy gaming laptops from them and.😮
That's a big laptop
My Clevo, which is a 17" is actually about twice as thick and weighs 11 lbs. Lol
lap locking good🇵🇰
Laptop style looks dated for that price. The translucent parts are horrid. I'll wait for 2025 models which will trump this medicore upgrade.
Yes. I didn't like the translucent parts at all. Made it look cheap.
The 4080 is a good value the 4090 is an absolute joke… 25% more for a 10-15% gain?
16gb vram
Dear tech reviewers, test music & video software don't just test games for fucks sakes
I did do a latencymon test whist using Traktor
Which softwares do you look specifically???
Nice and cheap!
Lol, nearly as cheap as that Cyber truck phone!!
No sir, no. The cooling is not great at all. Asus is failing on its cooling.. especially on the CPU. HORRIBLE TEMPS.
You si so cute❤
Thanks!
Buyba stationary pc ffs if dont travel