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    This is the last question of the calculus part of the 2002 Harvard MIT Math Tournament #HMMT. I first thought this is a hard integral question since I was amazed by the HMMT official solution. However, I did come up with an easier solution. Here's the question: we are given f(2x)=3f(x) and the integral of f(x) from 0 to 1 is 1. We have to find the value of the integral of f(x) from 1 to 2. This question is a good challenge for calculus 1 and AP calculus students on integral properties and u-substitution. Try all the problems here: hmmt-archive.s3.amazonaws.com...
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    0:00 the question!
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    8:22 my solution
    10:36 final thoughts & you try this question

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  • @blackpenredpen
    @blackpenredpen  2 ปีที่แล้ว +78

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    • @cicik57
      @cicik57 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      my i ask, why following is not working:
      if f(2x) = 3f(x) then integral from a to b (f2x) = F(2b)- F(2a) = 3(F(b) - F(a))
      so integral from 0 to 2 f(x) = F(2) - F(0) = 3(F(1) - F(0))=3*1 = 3
      something must be wrong in this allroach, can you point to it, pleace?

    • @ivandebiasi6657
      @ivandebiasi6657 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The integral from a to b of f(2x) is not F(2b) - F(2a).
      Try just with f(x) = 1:
      the integral is b-a but F(2b) - F(2a) is 2b-2a = 2(b-a).
      The correct formula is 1/2 (F(2b) - F(2a)).
      Also f(2x) = 3f(x) not F(2x) = 3F(x)...

    • @emmanuelbalogun3404
      @emmanuelbalogun3404 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This looks wrong. You stated that u = 2x, so how can you then leapfrog into stating that u is equivalent to x? not convinced

    • @samuelmoss2480
      @samuelmoss2480 ปีที่แล้ว

      there’s actually an easier solution: just integrate the identity they give you from 0 to 1 and substitute to find an expression for integral from 0 to 2 then subtract

    • @hmiscoordinator2751
      @hmiscoordinator2751 ปีที่แล้ว

      Apologies for horrible shorthand, using my phone.
      Int(f,x,1:2)
      = Int(f,x,0:2) - Int(f,x,0:1)
      = Int(f,2x,0:1) - Int(f,x,0:1)
      = 3*Int(f,x,0:1) - Int(f,x,0:1)
      = 3*1 -1
      = 2. #

  • @Macieks300
    @Macieks300 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2113

    the first solution is like if someone forgot that 1+1=2 and instead used the equation 1+1/2+1/4+...=2

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  2 ปีที่แล้ว +303

      😂

    • @RB-ew6lo
      @RB-ew6lo ปีที่แล้ว +22

      perfect summary :-)

    • @MrMusic55123
      @MrMusic55123 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      too easy for Harvard-MIT

    • @siobhangraham7280
      @siobhangraham7280 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      1+1 may equal 2, but f(1)+f(1) doesn't necessarily equal 2f(1) :P

    • @devyanshatharv1861
      @devyanshatharv1861 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@siobhangraham7280 it doesn't?

  • @drpeyam
    @drpeyam 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1477

    Your videos are an integral part of my day 😁

  • @vladimirkhazinski3725
    @vladimirkhazinski3725 2 ปีที่แล้ว +547

    When I first saw the question, I thought it was ridiculously easy. When I saw the official solution I thought it was ridiculously hard lol

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  2 ปีที่แล้ว +132

      And then ridiculously easy again, right? 😆

    • @saruarahemadrakib5187
      @saruarahemadrakib5187 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@blackpenredpen 😏

    • @nanamacapagal8342
      @nanamacapagal8342 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@roxannemackinnon2213 it turns out the function IS cx^r (it's (log_2(3)+1)x^(log_2(3)))

  • @Atlas_Enderium
    @Atlas_Enderium 2 ปีที่แล้ว +367

    The official solution was so needlessly complicated 💀 substitution is such a great tool

    • @vitalsbat2310
      @vitalsbat2310 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      skull substitution

    • @miantony6493
      @miantony6493 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/z2OyVIJznHw/w-d-xo.html
      This question is super difficult

  • @davidebic
    @davidebic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +815

    The first method was mind-boggling but uselessly complicated.

    • @3ckitani
      @3ckitani 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Harvard MIT do be flexing their integral skill

    • @dbro1205
      @dbro1205 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Agreed. It was just fancy steps

    • @georgefan2977
      @georgefan2977 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Basically a race of whoever comes up with a more uselessly sophisticated solution

    • @bilalmalik5002
      @bilalmalik5002 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@georgefan2977 For a uselessly complicated question

    • @gabrielroberto5819
      @gabrielroberto5819 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      when he was doing the first method I thought he would do it in an easier way, I mean, after he made the integral from 1/2 to 1 he could do the integral from 0 to 1/2 and it wold be enough to draw a conclusion by making an equation, but it wanted to be unnecessarily difficult, seem that MIT tried to use all calculus features kkkkkkkkkkk

  • @jessehammer123
    @jessehammer123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    Wow, both solutions are so neat! I appreciate how yours doesn’t require anything infinite.

    • @xinpingdonohoe3978
      @xinpingdonohoe3978 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Except the geometric series.

    • @lih3391
      @lih3391 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@xinpingdonohoe3978 what do you mean?

    • @xinpingdonohoe3978
      @xinpingdonohoe3978 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@lih3391 it says "doesn't require anything infinite" but there's a geometric series, which is an infinite series.

    • @gamerdio2503
      @gamerdio2503 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@xinpingdonohoe3978 His solution doesn't use a geometric series though

    • @stephenbeck7222
      @stephenbeck7222 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Xinping Donohoe watch to the end of the video, he has an alternate solution.

  • @xxrage6224
    @xxrage6224 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    your solution made this look ridiculously easy

  • @kobethebeefinmathworld953
    @kobethebeefinmathworld953 2 ปีที่แล้ว +212

    I think there's a faster way to do the integral: by FToC, I = I_1 - I_2 where I_1 is from 0 to 2 and I_2 is from 0 to 1 which is already given to be 1, then for I_1 we can do u-sub by letting u = x/2 to change the bounds into 0 to 1 and the expression inside of the integral becomes f(2u) * 2du to apply the given formula f(2x) = 3f(x) and obtain f(2u)* 2du = 6 f(u) du. So it yields to I_1 = 6*1 = 6 and we get the answer I = 6 - 1 = 5

    • @kobethebeefinmathworld953
      @kobethebeefinmathworld953 2 ปีที่แล้ว +80

      Oh, never mind. I didn't finish the video and just realized you used the same method.

    • @walaaaaaa3456
      @walaaaaaa3456 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@kobethebeefinmathworld953 xD

    • @learningmathswithconcepts7203
      @learningmathswithconcepts7203 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah exactly,i did same

    • @sushrut4328
      @sushrut4328 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I did the same, and this way is so easy. Why to complicate things? duh!

    • @hongshengzhu4411
      @hongshengzhu4411 ปีที่แล้ว

      I use the same method as yours :D

  • @UberHummus
    @UberHummus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Your insight is always phenomenal

  • @noahtaul
    @noahtaul 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    To solve the question at the end: move the 1 to the other side and multiply by e^x. You can pull the whole thing together to get (e^x*f(x)-e^x)’

    • @omaromy8722
      @omaromy8722 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is brilliant 👏 👌

    • @DRoo95
      @DRoo95 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Brilliant solution, I found a more extensive/less neat way to prove it (first proving that f(x) + f'(x) = 1 is the optimal solution, then solving the ODE), but I found the same answer:
      Question: how did you go from e^x*f(x) + e^x*f'(x) - e^x

    • @omaromy8722
      @omaromy8722 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DRoo95 He didn't go anywhere, it's still the same, it's just written in the derivative form

    • @DRoo95
      @DRoo95 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@omaromy8722 I must say I haven't heard the derivative form in my uni years. Enlighten me. Why are we allowed to remove the e^x * f'(x) term by taking the derivative over the remaining terms?
      EDIT: Ah never mind. Reverse multiplication rule. Whoops 😂 brilliant way of finding it

    • @manizarin2233
      @manizarin2233 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      wow I solved it with ODEs but this one is way to better and more elegant👌👌

  • @sajedtabbabi
    @sajedtabbabi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Some day I'll be a mathematician

  • @opstall
    @opstall ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I'm terrible at all contest problems (for a math professor, anyway), and this one took me under a minute. Thanks for sharing.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I was actually very confused at first when I saw their official solution. But then after I decided to try it on my own, I solved in within minutes.

  • @andrewkarsten5268
    @andrewkarsten5268 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I immediately did the first step of the first method, and realized it would repeat, but it gave me the idea for the second method, so I did the second method instead. That was much simpler in my opinion

  • @MarkMcDaniel
    @MarkMcDaniel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're simplified technique to solve this was great!

  • @soundest8768
    @soundest8768 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    That’s ridiculously satisfying. Thanks for the step-by-step.

  • @Infinium
    @Infinium 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve always loved your channel, another great video! 😊

  • @ayaanpatel9667
    @ayaanpatel9667 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    again an amazing video from you

  • @KurtColville
    @KurtColville ปีที่แล้ว

    Your solution is SO much better. Well done!

  • @eja1731
    @eja1731 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    When you realize he’s holding a Pokeball the whole time

  • @sinecurve9999
    @sinecurve9999 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Consider integral[f(x), {x, 0, 2}]. We can make the substitution 2u = x transforming our integral into integral[2*f(2*u), {u, 0, 1}]. Applying the rule f(2x) = 3f(x), our integral becomes integral[2*3*f(u), {u, 0, 1}] = 6. integral[f(x), {x, 1, 2}] = integral[f(x), {x, 0, 2}] - integral[f(x), {x, 0, 1}] = 6 - 1 = 5.

  • @VinTheFox
    @VinTheFox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When I plotted the curve on a graph to visualize the problem, I intuitively came up with the first method as the way to solve it. That might be the approach they took as well.

  • @wowZhenek
    @wowZhenek 2 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Man, I feel proud of myself for literally instantly figuring out the solution, which ended up similar to your approach

  • @dabmanplz1451
    @dabmanplz1451 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Nobody seems to calculate f(x) and is the simplest way for me. Knowing that f(2x)=2x for the usual f(x)=x, and f(2x)=4x for the usual f(x)=x^2, then our f(x) must be something like f(x)=x^k, with k between 1 and 2. Just substituting in the condition of the problem gives us that f(x) = x^log2(3).
    Then you just need to do the integrals. With the first you realize our function actually needs a constant: f(x) = a * x^log2(3), with a = log2(3)+1, because that's the value that makes the integral 1. And them you just do the second integral, and its 5.
    I believe this method may be a little longer that the fastest one proposed, but you need to know practically nothing about integrals to solve it: no changes of variable, no nothing. And also you learn what is happening with f.

    • @abhimanyusareen1670
      @abhimanyusareen1670 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You don't get a calculator. But that's a method for sure

    • @PotmosHetoimos
      @PotmosHetoimos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you, I was wondering what f was!

  • @alexdotdash7731
    @alexdotdash7731 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Such a great teacher! Amazing video🔥

    • @miantony6493
      @miantony6493 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/z2OyVIJznHw/w-d-xo.html

  • @nqnqnq
    @nqnqnq ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the second method (yours) is so neat and simple!

  • @ankitbasera8470
    @ankitbasera8470 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    This is how I did it
    f(2x) = 3 f(x)
    Integrating both sides from x=0 to x=1
    Integration 0 to 1 of f(2x) = 3
    Put 2x = t
    I get
    Integration 0 to 2 of f(t) = 6
    Divide the range of integration from 0-1 and then 1-2
    Integration 1 to 2 f(t) = 5

    • @k_wl
      @k_wl 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      this is also cool

  • @maaikevreugdemaker9210
    @maaikevreugdemaker9210 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loved it. Thanks.

  • @furiousfajitaa2367
    @furiousfajitaa2367 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This restored my passion for maths

  • @dbro1205
    @dbro1205 2 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    I found the second solution as more efficient

    • @cwcarson
      @cwcarson 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Used infinitely fewer terms 👍

    • @dbro1205
      @dbro1205 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And the second substitution for the second method was just way easier

  • @chimero3806
    @chimero3806 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    very good question! I enjoyed it!

  • @Re-lx1md
    @Re-lx1md 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The MIT Tournament problems you gave at 0:18 are proving to be fun! Problem 3 has me stumped currently

    • @Notthatkindofdr
      @Notthatkindofdr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      In Problem 3 I think you first need to solve for f'(0), g'(0), and h'(0).
      But Problem 7 is really bizarre. It does not even make sense the way it is written (since A(M) is a random variable and cannot just have a "limit value"), but even when I interpret the problem to mean what I think they intended, it is not a calculus problem at all (more of a number theory problem). 🤷‍♂

  • @paxtonjk
    @paxtonjk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I literally learned about geometric series today In my ap calc bc class. So this was a fun example of what I learned today.

  • @cosmicgxming8808
    @cosmicgxming8808 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I'm currently taking AP Calculus BC in high school and I understood everything up to 2:41 but I lost track about everything after that lmao. The hard part about this type of math isn't necessarily the execution process itself but about connecting all the information in the question to formulate all the steps needed to arrive at a conclusion.

    • @adamschroeder3946
      @adamschroeder3946 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Man said in the description "good challenge for calc 1 students"... umm nah calc 2 maybe? (im in BC too lol)

    • @willo1345
      @willo1345 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes, takes a lot of practice. There are a lot of rules to remember and you often make little mistakes that screw you in the end. Practice is the only way to really get it because you won't know how to solve a problem until you do it.

    • @martinrosol7719
      @martinrosol7719 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@willo1345Actually, you should understand the rules, not "remember" them.

    • @willo1345
      @willo1345 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@martinrosol7719 You do not have time to derive everything from scratch on a test and, even if you did, that increases the chances of human error.
      So yes. You need to remember the rules.

    • @xninja2369
      @xninja2369 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Bro this wasn't even hard to understand , specially limit part was easiest some type of limit can't be solved by L'HÔpitals rule or infinity GP or anything and you need to solve it and it takes 2-3 pages to solve. ..

  • @ideatronzvvvicunit9476
    @ideatronzvvvicunit9476 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Both solutions are realy great . What is wonderful in the first solution is the idea, the approach using infinite sum series

  • @selimders5473
    @selimders5473 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Realy nice question keep it going !!! :))

  • @li__on6403
    @li__on6403 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I recently did something similar. The integral of t^a*(1 mod t) dt from 0 to 1 = (1/a+1)-(riemann-zeta-function(a+2)/a+2).
    The way you do it is similar.
    (Ik that x mod y doesn't really make sense for real variables, but I just used what desmos used for that expression)

  • @milanh1349
    @milanh1349 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is great. Thank you :)

  • @mehrdadmohajer3847
    @mehrdadmohajer3847 ปีที่แล้ว

    thx. alot for the posting. well done🙂

  • @johncalculusmathsclass5998
    @johncalculusmathsclass5998 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful step, brilliant

  • @TheDannyAwesome
    @TheDannyAwesome 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My initial reaction was that f(2x)=3f(x) looks like a functional equation for some Ax^n. Under the assumption that there is a unique correct answer to this problem, we can find one function satisfying it, and take that as f(x). Use the functional equation to find n, and then use the fact that the area between 0 and 1 is 1 to determine A.

    • @adayah2933
      @adayah2933 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nah, there is a ton of such functions.

  • @ATL45
    @ATL45 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I did this out explicitly by realizing the given information describes a function for which a vertical dilation can be equivalent to a horizontal dilation. The family of power functions, f(x)=ax^n, have this property, and for these values (2 and 3) we end up with n=log_2(3) and a=n+1=log_2(6). Evaluate F(2)-F(1) and you get 5.

  • @ftbex9224
    @ftbex9224 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like your video,they not only train my English but also give me a demonstration to teach calculus

  • @wavingbuddy3535
    @wavingbuddy3535 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Everyones saying the official solution was really complicated, but it wasn't really, it was mathematically beautiful and utilizes A level/ basic year 1 university algebra.

    • @adnanhussain9906
      @adnanhussain9906 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe not necessarily “complicated” but people say it is because of the other more efficient and easier way to answer the question.

  • @Jeremy-jj4nj
    @Jeremy-jj4nj 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Your solution is the effective one. The other one is nice to flex muscles though :)

  • @JBOboe720
    @JBOboe720 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    f(x)=log_2(6)x^log_2(3) totally works despite x

  • @ajbiffl4695
    @ajbiffl4695 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think finding the first, complicated solution comes down to which integral you start u-substituting in first. From 1 to 2, you go to 1/2 to 1, and so on, but if you start with 0 to 1, you get immediately to 0 to 2

  • @IdeesDePhysique
    @IdeesDePhysique 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The solution from the MIT was so convoluted. I naturally approached the problem with your solution in 1 min. lol.

  • @mustafakeblawi6450
    @mustafakeblawi6450 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I figured it own my own using your method!

  • @hemantbhosale3060
    @hemantbhosale3060 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We can substitute f(x)=f(2x)/3
    In given integral which gives integral from 0 to 2 is equal to 6 but we know integral 0 to 2 is integral 0 to 1 plus integral 1 to 2 we know integral 0 to 1 is 1 and integral 0 to 2 is 6 therefore integral 1 to 2 is 5

  • @adamtedd2000er
    @adamtedd2000er ปีที่แล้ว

    Since f is Riemann integrable on (0,2), it is continuous a.e. on (0,2) and therefore it can be shown the function agrees a.e. with the formula: f(x) = x^( log_2(3) ) * (log_2(3)+1). Interesting to note you can find an explicit formula from the vague assumptions about f(x).

  • @marcelohenrique5101
    @marcelohenrique5101 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing, professor. Greetings from Brazil

  • @keinemaschine3038
    @keinemaschine3038 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    My approach was simliar to yours, except I got rid of the integral equation by using the antiderivative.
    Then I got an easy functional equation to solve. Nicely selected Question!

  • @artemisnimrod2948
    @artemisnimrod2948 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My solution: start calculating points on the line that satisfies f(2x)=3f(x) starting with (1,1).
    (1,1), (2,3), (3,9), (4,27), (5,81). The pattern is pretty obvious. It's just (2^n,3^n).
    So, the equation f(x)=3^[log{2}(x)] goes through these points. The integral of this function from 0 to 1 is less than 1, though, so we need to add a scalar, "a."
    a*int{0 to 1}(3^[log{2}(x)])dx ==> a = log(6)/log(2).
    So, [log(6)/log(2)]*int{0 to 1}(3^[log{2}(x)])dx =1.
    Change the bounds of integration: [log(6)/log(2)]*int{1 to 2}(3^[log{2}(x)])dx = 5.
    I have no idea if this is a sound way of doing this, but it's how I got the right answer.

  • @gustavoespinoza7940
    @gustavoespinoza7940 ปีที่แล้ว

    The second solution was literally the first approach that popped into my head

  • @mathevengers1131
    @mathevengers1131 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    First method was really creative.

  • @jakehawks1090
    @jakehawks1090 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    That entire problem felt like a backwards knight move in chess, going backwards to go forwards later. Incredibly smart solution 👍

  • @punstress
    @punstress 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    LOVE THIS! Can't believe how they complicated such a simple solution ... but it was kind of cool. Darn showoffs!

  • @zerglingsking
    @zerglingsking 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That first method was pretty cool!
    I did something more similar to your answer:
    I take integral of f(2x) between 0 and 1, which is equal to 3 times the integral of f(x) between 0 and 1. But it is also 1/2 * integral of f(x) between 0 and 2. So we get 1/2 * ( integral of f(x) between 0 and 2) = 3 * (integral of f(x) between 0 and 1)
    The right side is equal to 3, and the integral between 0 and 2 of f(x) can be separated between 0 and 1, and 1 and 2. The integral betwene 0 and 1 is known so we have 0.5 * (integral of f(x) between 1 and 2 + 1) = 3 which gives integral of f(x) between 1 and 2 = 2 * ( 3 - 1/2) = 5!

  • @thetr3kz
    @thetr3kz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love ur vids keep going😇👍

  • @alanda32
    @alanda32 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    since f(2x) is just scaling by 0.5 in x axis the integral from 0 to 2 turns into 0 to 1
    since we know that integral from 0 to 1 is 1 we can scale in x axis by 2 to get 0 to 2 and then by 3 in y axis to get the new area since its the same function which is 6
    you subtract the two areas and you will get 6-1 = 5

  • @armanavagyan1876
    @armanavagyan1876 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please more tournmant thanks)

  • @Dreamprism
    @Dreamprism 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good improvement!

  • @byronvega8298
    @byronvega8298 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I did it waaaay differently.
    Take the integral from 1 to 2 of f(x) and set it equal to y
    Then add 1 on both sides but on the LHS as the integral from 0 to 1 of f(x)
    Then make the substitution x->2v
    Now use the identity 3f(v)=f(2v)
    Resulting in six times the integral of f(v) from 0 to 1 which implies 6 = y+1

    • @titiyop7286
      @titiyop7286 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's the same thing that he did but the other way around

  • @laxminarayanbhandari855
    @laxminarayanbhandari855 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I have a super easy way.
    Integral from 1 to 2 f(x) dx= integral from 0 to 2 f(x) dx- integral from 0 to 1 f(x) dx
    = 2*integral from 0 to 1 f(2x) dx-integral from 0 to 1 f(x) dx
    =5*integral from 0 to 1f(x) dx=5

  • @albertobernal2537
    @albertobernal2537 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It took me at least 30 mins to watch the video in full due to pausing and backtracking; it's been many years since my last math course at uni.
    But halfway through, it became very clear. I'm looking forward to watching your earlier uploads on a regular basis and refresh my calculus.
    Thx a lot sir!

  • @omerbar7518
    @omerbar7518 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When I saw your solution I just flopped in my chair. I love how you take solutions to MIT test and be like: "yeah but I can do it 14 times better".
    Keep the good content up! (although I'm 4 months late lol)

  • @laprankster3264
    @laprankster3264 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I literally just guessed f(x)=cx^(n) where (c,n) are real numbers. I solved for n to get log2(3). And just integrated to get cx^(log2(6))/log2(6). I then plugged in the F(1)-F(0) to find c=log2(6) (yay for cancellation). I finally plugged in F(2)-F(1) to get 5 as the final answer.

  • @srijanagarwal964
    @srijanagarwal964 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Try breaking the given integral into (0,2) and (2,1) and substitute x=2u in the first one....some may find that easier.

  • @schizoframia4874
    @schizoframia4874 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That’s so cool!!

  • @Nathan-cz8uk
    @Nathan-cz8uk 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your way is definitely cleaner than theirs. Another, more hack-y way that happens to work: if we assume the function f(x) is of the form f(x)=Ax^n (motivated by the fact that f(ax)=bf(x) works for functions of that form), then the two given conditions give n = log base 2 of 3, and A = log base 2 of 6. Then you can directly compute the desired integral with the power rule.

  • @dominicjung4950
    @dominicjung4950 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow. I like the question and also the explanation! There are some math questions that I couldn't solve at the first glance which piss me off after seeing the solution (because it's just made to confuse us or to torment us) but this question is really well made. It makes you understand that definite integrals are independent of whatever dummy variables used, relating the findings to infinite series then make cross comparison to reach the answer. Very elegant.

  • @spazticdrummer7
    @spazticdrummer7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    OMG I did it the way you did before watching any of the solutions. Time to take the rest of the day off.

  • @dmitriygorovoy6120
    @dmitriygorovoy6120 ปีที่แล้ว

    you made my day

  • @yourmom4476
    @yourmom4476 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I solved it by assuming a monomial solution ax^n. Using the first information gives a(2x)^n=3ax^n -> 2^nx^n=3x^n -> 2^n=3 n=log2(3) Our function is ax^log2(3). Putting this into the integral from 0 to 1 and taking the antiderivative gives (a/log2(3))x^log2(3)+1 evaluated from 0 to 1. log2(3)+1 can be simplified to log2(6) by making 1 into log2(2) and using log rules. (a/log2(6))(x^log2(6)) evaluated from 0 to 1. 1 to any power is 1 and 0 to any power is 0 so a/log2(6) which must be equal to 1, so a=log2(6). Our final function is log2(6)x^log2(3). Putting this into the integral from 1 to 2 and taking the antiderivative gives (log2(6)/log2(6))x^log2(6) evaluated from 1 to 2. The logs cancel, 2^log2(6)=6 1 to any power is 1 6-1 is 5. It doesnt prove that any function with these requirements has an integral from 1 to 2 of 5 but it solves the problem :)

    • @jaredwoolsey5692
      @jaredwoolsey5692 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dang you just beat me to it.
      I made the same assumptions and got:
      f(x) = x^(log2(3))*(log2(3)+1)
      Nice job!

  • @donmoore7785
    @donmoore7785 ปีที่แล้ว

    Both solutions are very nice

  • @Jeff-zc6rr
    @Jeff-zc6rr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Justt integrate the identity f(2x)=3f(x) from 0 to 1. Then right side is just 3. Do a change of variable u=2x and you will get an integral from 0 to 2 on the left side. but split up into two integrals from 0 to 1 and then 1 to 2. That second integral is what you need and you will get the answer 5.

  • @stephenbeck7222
    @stephenbeck7222 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yeah, your approach is what I would do. I don’t even know who would come up with splitting the original integral into sub intervals between 2^n-1 and 2^n in order to solve when there’s a much more intuitive way.

    • @floydmaseda
      @floydmaseda 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      A real analysis professor would come up with the geometric series method. Real analysis professors are in their own weird world.

    • @bjao8619
      @bjao8619 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think the original solution was also quite nice though, yes not the most efficient but it was easy to follow and there wasn’t as much confusion with the switching variables. Idk I just started learning analysis and it was really cool seeing a lot of the things I learnt being applied in a solution like that.

  • @DRoo95
    @DRoo95 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    At the question in the end:
    The optimal strategy will be to always maximize f'(x). (So f'(x) = 1 - f(x)).
    If some other function fulfilling this constraint g is better (so g(1) > f(1) ), then by midpoint theorem, there has to be a point x1 in [0, 1) where g(x1) = f(x1) and g(x) > g(x) for all x > x1. However, since g(1) > f(1), we can again use the midpoint theorem to find that for some x2 in (x1, 1) we have g'(x2) > f'(x2). Since g(x2) > f(x2) we have g(x2) + g'(x2) > 1. Thus such function cannot exist.
    Now we've established that f' = 1 - f, we have to solve this differential equation. We have:
    df/dx = 1 - f
    df/(f-1) = -dx (multiply both sides by -dx/(1-f) )
    Int(df/(f-1)) = -Int(dx)
    Ln(f-1) = c1 - x
    f-1 = e^c1 * e^-x
    f = c2 * e^-x +1
    Now we need to fill in f(0)=0 to find that c2 = -1 and we find:
    f(x) = 1 - e^-x
    With f(1) = 1-1/e = 0.63... the maximum value.
    This one was a lot harder than the one in the video 😅

    • @violintegral
      @violintegral 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have an alternate, albeit similar solution to this problem. Since working with a differential equation is much easier than working with a differential inequality, I set f(x) + f'(x) = a =< 1. This first order equation is separable, but I think a nicer solution involves treating it as a first order linear equation. Multiplying both sides by e^x, we have e^x·f(x) + e^x·f'(x) = a·e^x. The left hand side is clearly d/dx(e^x·f(x)), so we can integrate both sides, giving e^x·f(x) = a·e^x + C. Dividing both sides by f(x), we have found f(x) = a + Ce^-x. Using the initial condition f(0) = 0, we can see that C = -a, so f(x) = a(1 - e^-x). At this stage we can evaluate f(1), giving f(1) = a(1 - e^-1). Since 1 - e^-1 > 0, f(1) is trivially maximized when a = 1, given the restrictions on a, so f(1) = 1 - e^-1, as you showed.

    • @DRoo95
      @DRoo95 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@violintegral nice solution! And a neater way of solving the DE. But if I'm not mistaken, you're only proving the maximum for functions with f(x)+f'(x) = a with a being a constant. Via this proof, there could technically be some other function with f(x)+f'(x) non constant but smaller than 1 that still produces better results, right?
      I know it seems trivial that a function with f + f' < 1 shouldn't score better than one which always had f + f' = 1, but doing that via the analytical way was kinda the first part of my proof

    • @DRoo95
      @DRoo95 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@violintegral in fact, @noahtaul had an even neater solution.
      Start with f + f'

    • @carstenmeyer7786
      @carstenmeyer7786 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DRoo95 If you assume *f(x) + f'(x)* to be integrable, you can set
      *f(x) + f'(x) =: u(x) = 0*
      In the above *H(t)* is Heavyside's step-function that jumps from zero to one at *t = 0* . We use the inequality *u(t)

  • @OnionKing-cm4qh
    @OnionKing-cm4qh ปีที่แล้ว

    I love it when 2 methods (one which has a limit) are used to get the same result.

  • @michaelwarnecke3474
    @michaelwarnecke3474 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    At the end, we just want the function for which f(x) + f'(x) = 1, which is:
    f(x) = 1-e^(-x)
    f'(x) = e^(-x)
    f(x) + f'(x) = 1-e^(-x) + e^(-x) = 1
    f(1) = 1-e^(-1) = 1-1/e
    Not a proof, but the way I got the solution.

    • @kqnrqdtqqtttel1778
      @kqnrqdtqqtttel1778 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah you need to prove that requirement f(x) + f’(x) = 1 yields the maximum value in the first place

  • @theeternalwanderer190
    @theeternalwanderer190 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Interesting method, thank you for sharing! I did it by looking at the pattern to get f(x) = k 3^log_2(x) for some constant k, did the given integral to find k= ln(6)/ln(2) and then integrating to get 5. Not as elegant though 😅

    • @hrvojedjurdjevic2123
      @hrvojedjurdjevic2123 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I also thought that finding solution without finding f(x) would be more elegant, but I did it the same way as you did, anyway. Since f(0)=0, I assumed f(x) = c x^a for some constants c and a, from f(2x)=3f(x) it follows a=log_2(3), and from the value of the known integral it follows c=a+1. As the resulting function is same, it yields the same result when integrated from 1 to 2.

    • @F_A_F123
      @F_A_F123 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did you prove that that's the only function satisfying the criteria?

  • @Villle89
    @Villle89 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    0:35 relatable af

  • @BigBossHuntelaar
    @BigBossHuntelaar ปีที่แล้ว

    Your solution is way more elegant and clean, way easier ! Also I've never learned this way of calculating integrals and handling them in equations but I think this video taught me the hang of it thanks

  • @leickrobinson5186
    @leickrobinson5186 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Yep, that’s how I did it! Easy enough to do in your head. :-D
    (Their solution WAY overcomplicated the problem, like walking around the block to go next door.)

  • @tonyhaddad1394
    @tonyhaddad1394 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wowwwww , math always surprise me by how awesome is 🤩

  • @MrHotBagel
    @MrHotBagel ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So why do you set f(x)dx = f(u)du in the last portion of your problem. I am having trouble conceptualizing that since f(u)du=f(2x)*2dx, when you perform substitution back.
    I understand that the "x" or "u" is simply a dummy variable; I do not understand how the dummy variable "x" is similar to the x previously.
    This may have been why this method was not chosen; since it seems to coincidentally lead to your integral, from 1 to 2, being equal to 5.

  • @romanvolotov
    @romanvolotov 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i legit laughed out loud as soon as i saw your solution (or rather the idea behind it)

  • @user-pl5gr5xz7w
    @user-pl5gr5xz7w 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    idk if its right but F’(x)=f(x) so in this case we have F(2x)/2=3F(x) . The integral from 0 to 1 for f(x) is F(1) -F(0) and the one from 1 to 2 is F(2)-F(1) . By putting 1 in the first you get that F(2)=6F(1) so the second integral is 5F(1) . Also by putting 0 you get that F(0) =0 so from the first integral F(1)= 1 so 5F(1)= 5

    • @kostasl1808
      @kostasl1808 ปีที่แล้ว

      Είσαι ο μοναδική στα σχόλια που έχει ακριβώς την ίδια λύση με τη δική μου και η μοναδική που δεν το έλυσε μέσω Αλάσκας. Ή εμάς στα σχολεία μας τα κάνουν πολύ απλά ή σε όλους τους άλλους πολύ περίπλοκα.

    • @F_A_F123
      @F_A_F123 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      F(2x)/2 = F(x) is generally wrong.
      Because if you increase the F by a constant, the thing you get still is the antiderivative of f(x), but it doesn't satisfy F(2x)/2 = 3F(x).
      (F(2x) + C)/2 = 3(F(x) + C)
      F(2x)/2 + C/2 = 3F(x) + 3C
      C/2 = 3C
      Which is wrong for C ≠ 0

  • @somasahu1234
    @somasahu1234 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Plz dedicate a playlist towards calculus problems from different comps.(HMMT, integration bee, Putnam)

  • @danielontheedge
    @danielontheedge 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Integral from a to b is the same as sum of integral from a to c and c to b. Is there a mathematical theorem that supports the case where we add an infinitely countable set of intervals to form the integral from a to b?
    This question also reminds me of the Riemann sum of area of rectangles that approaches the area under curve as n goes to infinity. What supports the leap from adding area of infinitely countable number of rectangles that allows us to make the conclusion that it becomes equal to the area under the curve

  • @claudiorebelo
    @claudiorebelo ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome!

  • @farklegriffen2624
    @farklegriffen2624 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For your challenge at the end: the answer is infinity.
    For instance:
    Assume f(x) = lim [ a→1, 1/(3x-3a) + 1/(3a) ], as 'a' gets arbitrarily close to 1, f(x) approaches infinity. This function also satisfies the requirements that f(x) + f'(x) ≤ 1 and f(0)=0.

    • @MathIsFun137
      @MathIsFun137 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Unfortunately, your function is not continuous everywhere. From the conditions in the problem, f’(x) exists for all x, which means f(x) is continuous for all x. But your function does not exist when x = a. In fact, since your function does not take an actual value at x = 1 by what you yourself showed, you know that it’s not continuous. I’m also unsure about being able to define a single-variable function like that in the first place, as one could argue that there’s technically two variables there.

    • @Biggyweezer69
      @Biggyweezer69 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That limit evaluates to 1/3(x/(x-1)) and is undefined at 1 as the limit from the left is -infinity and the right is +infinity. If the function were to increase going from left to right it would be bounded by f(x)

    • @DRoo95
      @DRoo95 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You make the mistake of trying to "move" asymptotic behaviour to infinity.
      -For any of the approaching functions for a -> 1, the function isn't continuous, thus not fulfilling the constraints. You can't just make a "half limit", taking one property from the real function for a=1 (continuity on [0,1) ) and take another property from the limit for a -> 1 (the value for f(1) ). In general, even a limit of continuous functions does not always lead to a continuous functions.
      -If you fill in a = 1, you do get an asymptote at x = 1, which is -inf when approaching from the lower side of x.
      -If you do do a -> 1, you're making a limit of non continuous functions, thereby not proving your function is continuous.
      In fact, if you're interested. You could check my reply, in which I proved 1-1/e to be the maximum answer.

    • @hybmnzz2658
      @hybmnzz2658 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The answer is 1-1/e.
      Just imagine that since f(0) = 0 the biggest f'(0) can be is 1. Then when f increases a bit f' can only be 1-f and so on created an increasing concave down function.
      Getting the exact answer of 1-1/e comes from solving f' + f = 1

    • @DRoo95
      @DRoo95 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Biggyweezer69 if you're interested, you could look at my reply. I think I've got a prove why 1-1/e is the maximum answer.

  • @sharpnova2
    @sharpnova2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the first solution is like von Neumann's claimed method for solving the fly-between-the-trains problem

  • @pedroribeiro1536
    @pedroribeiro1536 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The sponsor of this video is Brilliant and this solution was *super brilliant*

  • @methodiconion8523
    @methodiconion8523 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I got my answer in a very different way. I decided to find a specific function which satisfied the first requirement. After a little thinking, I came up with g(x)=3^log2(x)=x^(ln(3)/ln(2)). I integrated this and found something which doesn't have an integral from 0 to 1 of 1, so I multiplied it by its denominator to get F(x)=x^(ln(3)/ln(2)+1). Putting in x=2 boils down to F(2)=3*2=6.
    Edit: Added a single closing parenthesis.
    P.S. I feel like my function obviously doesn't work for the domain from minus infinity to 0. Anyone know if there's a valid solution sub zero that my answer fails to get, but which this substitution method can produce?
    P.P.S. Just watched both of the video's explanations. I don't believe either is able to find a solution for x=0, -((-x)^(log2(3))*(log2(3)+1))|x

    • @vvthanh
      @vvthanh ปีที่แล้ว

      you can define f(x)=0 for any negative x, it doesn't matter what the negative part of the function looks like
      I like your approach, very brute force, but not really the spirit of the question 🤪

    • @seansean1728
      @seansean1728 ปีที่แล้ว

      It’s perfectly well defined as a complex function

  • @WaluigiisthekingASmith
    @WaluigiisthekingASmith 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Also you could just find a solution to the functional equation (f(x)=c*(x^(ln3/ln2))

  • @Maxence1402a
    @Maxence1402a ปีที่แล้ว

    About the last question, let g(x) = f(x)-1+exp(-x), which gives g(x)+g'(x) = f(x)+f'(x)-1 0, g(x) > 0, then let a = max {y in [0,x), g(y)=0} (which exists since g is continuous and g(0)=0), and mean value theorem yields b in [a,x] such that g'(b)=g(x)/(x-a) > 0, therefore g(b)+g'(b) > 0 (x >= b > a so g(b) > 0) which contradicts g(x)+g'(x) = 0, g(x)

  • @alexandreguedj8317
    @alexandreguedj8317 ปีที่แล้ว

    The second solution is the first thing I thought of

  • @Plasmacticus
    @Plasmacticus 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i did it in a super goofy way and i thought i got it wrong because it seemed too easy:
    for the integral from 0 to 1, if you multiply both sides by 3, you get 3*I = 3 where I is the integral
    an integral is essentially just adding up many many different values of f(x) and multiplying by a small width dx, so i thought it should be the same as having the 3 factored out, so i put the 3 in the integral.
    the integral from 0 to 1 of 3f(x)dx = 3
    3f(x) = f(2x)
    so it's equivalent to the integral from 0 to 1 of f(2x)dx = 3
    notice how for every function when you multiply the input by 2 it squishes the graph shape by 2. thus, even though it goes from 0 to 1, the same shape (albeit scaled down) is being calculated from 0 to 2. so it must be 3 multiplied by some constant.
    now i thought back to the definition of the limit. they're just some rectangles approximating the area as the approximation gets infinitely good. i thought of some beefy rectangles to make things easier, and i cut each of them in half along the x axis. then, i imagined them sliding next to each other. another way to think of it is that each rectangle has to start at x/2 from the original function, which takes up half of the other rectangles' spaces. so i guessed from this intuition that the constant should be 2 (i was too lazy to actually prove this and relied on my intuition)
    3*2 = 6. the integral from 0 to 2 of f(x)dx = 6. but we want it from 1 to 2. luckily, the integral from 0 to 1 is already given for you, so subtracting that area (1) gives the area:
    6 - 1 = 5, so the area must be 5.
    idk if i did anything wrong because this seemed way too easy to be the solution so i must've broken maths somewhere and by sheer luck gotten the right answer