Review: Platinum Carbon Ink
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ธ.ค. 2018
- It's expensive but it's a good waterproof dark black ink that's safe for use with fountain pens. Find out how it performs on various paper in this review.
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I have used this ink for sketching quite a long time (used up more than a whole bottle) and I really liked it because it dries very fast and is really black. The only problem I had with it is that when it's dry it's shiney, not matte. I you look at it (especially if you covered a bigger area with it) at an angle it reflects the light, which I didn't like in my sketchbooks.
Now I switched to de atramentis archival ink. It's a bit of a warmer black (brown/reddish) but it dries even quicker and is completely matte. It's also just as waterproof. I don't see myself switching back any time soon.
@Yasmine S. it's not as obvious but at an angle you can still see that it's a bit shiney. It's not that big of an issue. It just bothered me a bit.
Imo it's a compromise. You give up the really deep black of the Platinum ink for an even quicker drying time and a matte finish.
I didn't have a waterproof result with de Atramentis archival black.
From experience with a few "waterproof" inks, I think some of the movement you see on some papers are due to the dissolving of surface sizing, where some ink remains on top of the gelatine size. More absorbent paper the ink bonds fully into the fibres and exibits less movement. Cellulose papers do tend to be more highly sized.
Happy new year Teoh, thanks for the quality of your videos. I love the close ups!
After the frustration of trying many different inks, this is my favorite so far for watercolor drawings. It's quite black and dries quickly.
you dont know how much i was anticipating this review because i was going to get it during the Holliday season ! btw happy new year
Excellent review! Many thanks.
I got a bunch of black fountain pen inks hunting for a nice, dark waterproof ink before finally finding this one. I love it!!
I switched from noodlers to Carbon. In my experience, especially on Moleskine, carbon is superior with respect to waterproof qualities. For urban sketching when you want it dry quick there is just no contest. Try the same test with noodles side by side and I think the noodlers would run. Noodlers is very fine ink all the same.
JFYI, Platinum is selling the Ink cleaning chemical for remove the solid carbon particle from your pen when you left for very very long time without using it.
I love this ink so much but at first I was worried to damage my nice pen by using this ink, even the writing result is quite beautiful.
But now I know that there is a way to dissolve the carbon by the product from Platinum themselves!
Thank you for this video!
I’ve been using noodlers and de atramentis and am completely satisfied with those inks :-)) noodlers takes longer to dry , since I’m using it in watercolor journals , so that can be a bit frustrating at times, but de atramentis has been fabulous discovery for me.. no issues at all with the de atramentis ( document inks)
take care and happy new year to you and your sweet family ...
On Stillman & Birn Beta paper, the De Atramentis Document ink in an EF fountain pen is almost grey, however, the ink doesn't feather at all and the ink flow is great. My problem with the Carbon ink, which is much blacker on this paper, is that it feathers on this paper.
Thank you this was helpful !
I bought some of this as my first ever bottle of ink when I got the Moonman fountain pen (Fine nib) that you reviewed a while ago. So far, I am very pleased with the ink and the pen. I've used it with a "normal" cheap sketchpad (not intended for watercolour), just doodling, and there's no feathering. I just tried it on a Jackson's watercolour pad (actually made by Kunst & Papier), 35% cotton (hot press?) and no feathering there either.
Thanks for the extensive tests, Teoh. I use Platinum carbon ink on Arches cold press and Stillman Birn beta notebooks, and it performs well. I might try de atramentis, though.
Thank you for this video Teoh, personally I use Noodler’s black ink, I wash my fountain pen regularly and I have no problem. 🖋
If anyone is looking for other options, that reliably dry waterproof on most papers within minutes I use Pebeo india ink (encre de chine) with dip pens, or Rohrer & Klingner sketchINK with fountain and technical pens. The R&K SketchInks also come in a wide variety of colors and are all lightfast, I use them with watercolors all the time :)
Agreed, Pebeo chinese ink is really good for waterproofness. I suspect there is acrylic or some other type of polymer binder in there, because it turns to a rubbery kneadable substance when it dries on the bottle.
Thank you. Very helpful.
Thanks for providing this. I will say, however, I find any rough finish paper tends to feather on me, but that Strathmore is not something I'd use in the future. Well done, thanks again!
What a timely review for an ink I wanted to buy soon. It's actually so helpful that you've tested the ink on some popular papers. I took notes. 🙂Thanks Teoh and happy new year to you and your family. 🥂🎆
My expectations about permanent ink for fountain pen at first completely all about perfections, which is completely fast dry, no such an issue ink feathering or bleeding on paper, and cheap that don’t cause too much penny. But, i make research and some studies, and watch this video, and now im realise to particularly needed for me to test out any permanent ink and paper overall for my project. Luckily i stumbled here for moments till end. Thank you😁 for sharing this.
One of my favourite waterproof inks!
I think the reason it seems to feather is due to the excess ink that goes on when you use the dip pen. Feathering always increases with a broad nib and large amounts of ink. A finer nib will decrease the feathering.
I don’t have any problem with this ink! I use this ink for my Stillman & Birn Alpha Series sketchbook, and sketchbooks made of watercolor paper that is made in China called Baohong. The Baohong paper is 100% cotton and 300gsm. It is quite cheap in China, but it performs really really well! I really recommend you trying this paper if you can get it in Singapore!
I just ordered another bottle this morning. I lost all of my art supplies in the Camp Fire that destroyed Paradise. I have tried several “waterproof” inks and this is the best I’ve found. I use it in my Pilot Metropolitan (with EF nip) with my Moleskine sketchbook. I have never had any bleeding issues except with cheap paper. Very much worth the price. And sometimes Copics don’t like it, but that may be a paper issue also. Good video.
This reply comes quite late, but Pilot metro F and this Platinum ink is the combo I’m planning to buy. I want to use them on 120gsm paper for writing journal. Do you think they’ll work well?
@@14xiyang I would say so. It has become my go to fountain pen ink. The only issues I’ve had is the paper seems to determine how water proof it is. Also if you should leave it in a pen for more then two weeks you will need to disassemble the pen and clean it. Hope that helps.
It's also bleachproof. My daily driver for writing and drawing. Good for very fine nibs, because it has some substances to make it more fluid (it also has a lower surface tension) it thickens the lines a bit.
How often do you clean your pen?
I ditched De Atramentis Document Black and decided to stick with Platinum Carbon Black because the former is not eraser-proof.
I have a bottle of this ink, but mostly I buy the cartridges of carbon ink (so maker I think) to in my refillable brush pens Kuretake I think is the brush pen, the name has worn off, but I do love that pen and the cartridges are easier to carry out and about than a bottle of ink. I usually use De Atramenis in my fountain pens. Great review.
It looks like on the papers where you get feathering, it dries completely waterproof, on the ones without, the water ends up a little dirty. I've used this for urban sketching, where you typically want your colours a bit muted, it's fine, if you wanted super-vibrant colours though it might be an issue.
I use that exact ink in my Leda sketchbooks and it is fantastic
I use Platinum Carbon Black in my Kai Mei brush pen and I haven't had any trouble with it at all.
I love this ink so much after I spend much to buy the inks who said waterproof but at the end tested not waterproof. I put it into the Moonman fountain pen for drawing.
There are people who said it's not waterprood
@@teohyc It's related to what kind of paper they used.
My favourite black waterproof ink. You should have tested it alongside your usual Noodler's Black -- perhaps you can still add it to the test sheets?
My current go-to sketching ink. Have had zero problems with feathering so far though I use it with an EF nib. Thanks for the review!
well its about what paper you use, not the ink.
@@timothy790110 In regards to feathering, of course paper plays a bit part in it but the ink itself also affects this. For instance, some ink formulations are thicker or have additives that impede spreading on paper.
I have personally witnessed the difference in feathering caused purely by a change in inks (same paper, same pen, same nib), so I beg to disagree with the "not the ink" part of your statement.
@@snoozleblob whats more likely to be at fault for feathering, the paper or the ink? its the paper.
@@timothy790110 I feel like we are not on the same page, are we even arguing about the same point??
My original comment: I appreciate this ink as it does not feather on me
Your reply: are you dumb, the ink does shit all, it's all about the paper
My reply: no. ink ALSO impacts feathering (hence, my appreciation for this ink in terms of its performance with feathering is reasonable)
Your reply: yeah but paper is MORE important for feathering
Firstly, you are moving the goal post of the argument. Why.
Secondly, did I at any point say that paper does jack and ink is king for feathering? No. I merely said that ink can make it worse or better, and that THIS PARTICULAR INK (which was the whole focus of this review video we are commenting under???) happens to do okay for feathering (hence my original comment???).
Bruh/ma'am, do you not see that we are not not even talking about the same thing?
You: paper beats feathering
Me: I like this ink
@@snoozleblob Get some rest dude.
It looks very pretty O:
Well done; thanks
I don’t use ink but I watched this anyway
Thanks for the support 😁
I think you should have cleaned the G-nib, now you probably had transfer from whatever ink had dried on the nib to the carbon ink. But then again, I have found it feathers on a lot of papers yeah. It’s only good in pens that give off very thin lines or very limited ink flow, like the platinum carbon pen or the kuratake brush pens that can also take the carbon ink cartridges.
I think it's because of the cellulose content in the canson and Strathmore that caused the feathering. Also neither of those papers are sized like arches. Pretty sure sized, 100% cotton paper should be fine for that
On Stillman & Birn Beta paper, the De Atramentis Document ink in an EF fountain pen is almost grey, however, the ink doesn't feather at all and the ink flow is great. My problem with the Carbon ink, which is much blacker on this paper, is that it feathers on this paper. If someone knows a fountain pen ink that is dark, waterproof, and doesn't feather, let me know.
i got this today along side a TWSBI GO fine , the fella at the pen shop advised me not to get the extra fine because it has too much feedback :) never had any ..sketched a bit with them in the taxi today :) the sketch looks different with a pen and the ink is black like i never seen live :)
Speedball india ink with a brush on that Canson paper is really nice.
Purchased today
Another great and helpful review, thank you! I just bought my first dip pen (Speedball C6 nib) last week and have been worried about keeping it clean. I was very surprised to see the state of your nib! Do you feel it isn’t necessary to clean the nib with alcohol after every use?
It's best to clean the nib after each use. Or else the ink pigment will get thicker and thicker.
Teoh Yi Chie Thanks! I only have the Daler Rowney Kandahar ink you reviewed a while back. I don’t think it is pigment ink, is it? I remember you thought it was pale, but I don’t mind that it isn’t dark black. I’m just glad it is waterproof enough for my purposes. ☺️
@@amysamin Kandahar should be pigmented ink.
Teoh Yi Chie Oh okay, thank you!
I have been following your course with great interest. I am using a fountain pen to draw with and want to add watercolor to finish the sketches as you have illustrated. I am using Heart of Darkness ink but can not find a watercolor paper that works with the ink. The ink is not waterproof on all of the watercolor papers I have tried !
After some research, I find that the ink is waterproof on plain copy paper; but that paper is too thin and wrinkles up when watercolor is applied.
Would you please let me know the correct combination of fountain pen ink and drawing paper so the dark ink lines do not run and the paper holds it's shape and doesn't wrinkle after the watercolor is applied?
Thanks
William May
One of the best black inks. Use it daily.
this ink is extremely wet, I had to change my feed back to the standard one on my 912FA. It also makes your pen one step less fine.. or at least this was the case for me.
Hi Teoh. How often would you recommend cleaning a fountain pen containing waterproof ink (such as plat carbon) also is it okay to clean the pen as normal in the sink or will it cause stains?
You can just clean the pen normally in the sink. Platinum inks don't coat so you can wash it off easily. If it's difficult to wash off, you can use those fountain pen cleaning liquid.
I bought this because I heard it would work well on cheap paper without feathering I guess I should have done more research lol
Hi Teoh, can I use watercolor ink(like Ecoine liquid water color) in fountain pen? Since there is basically no pigment particles in the ink.
Those inks are safe
@@teohyc Thank you so so so much for taking the time to reply. I love all of your videos and art works! All the best!
I was looking to see how to fill the fountain pen from this ink well.. there is something inside and I don't know how to do it. I have a TWSBI GO
Turn bottle upside down, turn back and open the cap. Refill from the ink inside that thing.
İ like it too much because of it is waterproof and copic (alcohol based) markerproof. So i can use it for watercolor and marker paint works
It's waterproof sure enough. Personally I think the results one gets with it are too hit and miss. I've never seen you to have any issues with De Atramentis Document ink. That would be my first choice. Great review. Thanks for this Teoh. 👍 😄
@@amorylazlo9579 I'd still like to try it. I might not like it, but I'm open to trying a lot of new things.
Hey a fellow Singaporean! Support support support
I realize this is an old video, but do you happen to remember about how long it took for the ink to dry before using the water on it?
Check JetPens, they have tests of some inks dry times
Hi Teoh can you please describe on the info box the names of the fountain pens. Thank you 😊😊
It's a Zebra nip mounted on a pen holder
@@teohyc hey that was so fast... I will buy IT let me tell you dont stop doing what u doing cause here on TH-cam we follow you. Say HI to your family and have a happy New 2019. 🎉🎉🎉😃
What's the drying time on this ink? Should this be used for archival purpose only or for general writing. I am a doctor and the paper I have to write most on is crappy OPD slip which people usually bring to me with their oil stained hands.... Hahaha!
Drying speed is alright. Typical fountain pen ink drying time.
This ink does not do well on cheap paper with a medium or above nib, at least not with the pens I tried.
As you like noodlers how does it compare to that?
Noodlers dry slow
I just noticed that Strathmore has a 500 writing paper pad 100% cotton.
That writing pad has very good quality paper
I bought the blue platinum ink and unfortunately it is not waterproof.
Maybe I just got a bad bottle (looks exactly like the one in the video) but i have all kinds of movement problems no matter what kind of paper I use. Bought the bottle and carbon black desk pen from Goulet Pens. By all accounts a reputable seller. Oddly the carbon black ink that came in the cartridge of the desk pen was 100% not waterproof. I refilled from the bottle and it holds at like 80% waterproof. Still can't use it for pen and watercolor work. Too unreliable. Just bought a bew bottle off Amazon. Again perhaps I just got a bad bottle.
nice. does anyone know how this ink performs on khadi paper?
It should perform fine. It's not an ink that feathers.
WHere i buy my carbon ink from they recommend drying for 24 hours!
FIRST!!!
True/True/True.But From I get.??
Is this an iron gall ink?
No. It's carbon ink.
@@teohyc Thank you.
Anybody: what does "fishcat" mean?
Seriously? You’re the first one that said to shake the bottle that I’ve found. 😞 sigh.
For pigmented inks, always shake the bottle. Pigments are physical particles and will settle at the bottom.