1st of all thank you @hens333, @notOtzdarva and everyone else who was involed to make this possible! It was really fun and something very different to experience. Also thank you to all viewers, you truly made this something special, really fun to read the chat on live stream! 2nd maybe I should clarifiy one detail as I see some comments going into that direction: Yes, these games were long and stretched out on my side. But these here are not the average pub teams. Usually I just kick each gen 2 times and its over already. Here i knew this aint gonna cut it but i didnt want to full tunnel and camp just because we are in a different setting. I really wanted to see if its possible to win by playing mostly the same like in pubs. 3rd I also have to give massive probs to the teams, they were really good and giving me a real fight! Both Teams surprised me many times on their efficiency, coordination and tricks they pulled out. Very well played, they deserve the recognition of their skills! I can assure to anyone that you will never ever see such teams in your pub lobbys, so be confident that you can win your games without falling back to tunneling and camping. There are many strategies be it hit and run, agressive strong chasing like that Bubba and so on. Find what fits you, practise it and have fun in your games.
GGs DaS, great to watch, it took 2 teams of 2 to finally break you're strat, that's damn impressive. If i could ask you a question with you being a wraith main... did the change to flashlights not burning wraith make the gameplay more consistent, or would you say it wasn't much of a problem to begin with? I only ask as i believe wraith is the one exception (maybe Hag) where flashlight burning not only made sense against wraith but also allowed survs to put the brakes on him, as for me most of his power seems to come from control being brought about by his high move speed and flashlight burning felt like a fair counter before being removed
I dislike this comment saying "You'll never see these teams in your lobby" and trying to make it seem like you're a shining example of how to play. You don't take into account at all that as the survivor's skill level goes down then so does the killer's. Or do you expect every killer to dedicate the same amount of time you have into one tricking a killer so they can win public lobbies? And your shining example of not needing to camp or tunnel left you with a 0k 2 hooks on a balanced map with the strongest 3 gen in DBD and a survivor team who was handicapped and didn't even prepare for your playstyle.
zaka (xzaka_ on twitch, vod from 6 days ago as of today) was streaming the matches from the surv pov, you hear xeno reacting but it's rather calm unfortunatley xD
The Feng body block from the sky followed immediately by vaulting between them for another body block was the craziest save I've seen. The timing was impeccable. I also hope I never face Ays in pubs. That was wild. Everybody in these games are so good and I'm really glad that this was showcased.
Genuinely so happy that the Wraith did not let being watched by two of the best dbd has to offer and many others change his play style. So many times i feel players being analyzed change how they play.
IDC what people may or may not say that wraith is an amazing player. even if he didn't get a 4k in that last match, he still showcased some really impressive gameplay and held his own really well. also since he did change his build slightly (probably from the chance they'd be expecting how he played the first team) i bet if this second team had faced his initial setup it might have gone differently. but also not everything would always go perfectly even for the highest skill players. i will always be impressed by how well he held his own, and how strongly he committed to his strategy.
Depending of his perks and overall performance, he usually wins his rounds by taking solo queue survivors hostage, until they disconnect. A good SWF is everything needed to demolish his playstyle. Game 3 is the proof, that the only reason wraith could win his rounds so easily was ping advantage.
@derunfassbarebielecki4721 i think in the video it mentioned that he hadn't lost as wraith before. There's no way in all that time he was ONLY facing solo-queue and relied on them "DCing" i know that i personally wouldn't have dc'd but this guy is good enough i wouldn't have lasted long anyway because i am not good. But there is no way he hasn't faced really good swfs before. Not everything against the first team was a ping issue. And he nearly turned it around against the second team, who didn't have the ping as an excuse. But his play did feel a bit off i personally think what happened wasn't a difference of ping, the other team might have been more prepared, and i think he also psyched himself out a bit. As seen by his change of addons and perks. I still think his game against the second team would have gone differently if they had been first.
@@derunfassbarebielecki i cant go 10 games without facing a swf, you really think someone who has damn near mastered his character cant face a single one? i reinstall dbd, TRY to play 10 games, get at least 2 swfs, several toxic lobbies and constant bugs with both hit registration and other players ping and such horsesheit
I feel like people forget how hard it can be to perform in that sort of setting, sure there were some obvious mistakes made by the survivors but there are so many small plays that are made over the course of a match that it’s impossible not to make mistakes.
so when ninny was saying that wraith game on sanctum shouldn’t of happened, it was because the survivors got to use any perks and add-ones they like. at which point yeh they shouldn’t really lose that.
You and otz are doing a great job at casting these games honestly. I feel like casting is something that you don’t realize how difficult it can be until you do actually do it. Either way great video! Have a great day
This wraith was WILD. I think sloppy butcher really carried in some instances , those longer reset times gave him time to keep kicking gens and still make it back in time to interrupt the heals. Crazy
I would love to see other players that are really good at killer who don’t have a lot of comp experience go against comp swf teams! Some names that came to mind are crohmbs and Lilith omen. These guys featured in the video though were also really good! Nothing but respect 👍🙏
Lilith dabbled but never played comp. I like him as a streamer and guy, but I don't think he would hold up vs these teams, I could be wrong but the game sense for how a team operates makes a huge difference.
@@RACK-uv7mw yeah, also back when otz did a jflick vs swf showcase, he volunteered to play and got decimated by otz's test swf. That was years ago, but yeah wouldn't suprise me that he remained casual for the most part
Kinda sad how that comp player thought comp would be made out to be a joke simply because a Wraith did well in a comp setting. If I was a comp player I would be thrilled to hear that other killers might break into comp, so I didn't have to go against/play as Blight or Nurse every game.
Realistically, every game vs wraith should be like the third game, even at that wraiths skill level, as the reason the survivor's lost is because of mistakes (which in comp, you just can't make)
Comp plays all killers, it’s a pick and ban system so it’s VERY rare to see only S tiers played. They weren’t annoyed a wraith did well, they were annoyed that the survivor team didn’t play well
The game with wraith the killer used Nancy being dead on hook as a trap. If the survivors just doubled down to do gens there instead of even going for the save they would have had an atypical comp W
So if you can't see what Wraith is doing, at the start he takes the 5 closest Gens and patrols them, doesn't even care about the other 2, then slowly as the survivors are chipping away at the 5 gens left, he can patrol them easier cuz they're all close to each other, oppose to if he just let random gens pop. You have to control what Gens you give the survivors. Genius strat if you ask me.
The fact that at the highest level it has to be played in a totally different way from the avarage skill level really speaks for the state of the games balance.
@@lleyly4449well tbf fortnite was always designed for build battles its just at first people did not know how to build and as time went on people learned how to build. As a beginner, to reach a comp level, you arent learning to play a different way to fight, you are just unlocking ways to use builds. a better example is in the ranked or tournament whatever its called game modes, where at the end everyone is inside their own 1x1 and theres like 80 people in a small ass circle
aka every game ever. watch high level CSGO then watch a normal match. what separates this game is that its an Asym. theres no other Asyms to really compare. this is how 99% of killers were playing when CoB was meta. Skull merchants wraiths knights pigs ive even seen some weskers and plagues play this way
Wow holy shit what an amazing and interesting play style. Usually I find gen slow down boring but this wraith plays him so perfectly that it’s hard not to be impressed
i think the major issue for the euro match was ping, seemed like a lot of actions were happening before the wrath could react. I feel like a 2nd round on a different map would have been the major difference
Really appreciate the great commentary here. Both being very experienced DBD players, but also the format of having a dialogue with each other (questions and answers) to answer potential questions the viewers might think performed very well. Kudos!
I love watching all of these awesome videos, Hens! I'm gonna have to watch this entire channel from the beginning. There is so much amazing content here 🙏
The comment at the start is so true. Private matches in any game is always the best way to improve. The difference in skill in some games between pub and private lobby players is massive
The dead dawg main is actually not very good, it only seemed that way because of the way the comp players used it to its max! Put the pro players in any other main and they would probably do even better.
The reason it’s considered so good is mainly because there’s virtually nothing else on the map. Once it’s used up, your only real option is to buy a tiny bit of time and run to main. Main on Groaning Storehouse is also decent, but it has nowhere near the reputation since there’s other options that can be better. It’s really not good unless the 3 furthest gens from it are left.
@@amateur_nft_screenshitter1498 "Not very good" ? It's one of the better mains. Like for all mains though, the survivor needs to know how to loop it or how to outplay the killer. I suppose with how insanely good some new mains are (like Garden of Joy) DDS's main seems only "meh, decent" but it's really good. Not the best one though.
@@Libellulaire i was just trying to tell this guy that the main building isn’t as “busted” as he seems to think. And beside other mains it is not very good
That wraith had far less than optimal perks for the first game due to not accounting for rules and he just outplayed them. Impressive. All of them were extremely good. The bubba is not one I want to meet. DBD is fundamentally a game about decision making. Ping can make a difference, but it's rarely going to be the determining factor. Though playing from another region and effectively doubling your reaction time is pretty severe. I don't know if their ping was 200ms or what. It all looked pretty normal to me. The last team had 2 games of prep to watch. No doubt they were impressive, though.
There was no outplaying. He was playing against a full American team who had terrible ping. He had good connection. They would’ve won had they not been lagging tbh
Ping makes a major difference. I play mostly survivor and unfortunately more than a half of the killers I play against are lag switching. If I want to play killer I need to prepare myself mentally for this, because my connection is too good and therefore I miss many hits. Currently my internet provider has some issues and my latency is higher than usual and I literally get hits I could have never gotten before.
i've played on and off since the game started and always been a wraith main. I'm not "good" by any means but it was cool to see a really good player use the body blocking strat that i've been using for so long. Great video!
Hens, I want to see your squad play against someone named KING WOLFE 2. I want to see what pro teams would do to someone that has a play style like him, would be insanely interesting and genuinely entertaining
22:37 that wasnt a ping battle, the wraith realized he just needed to bait the start of the uncloak to get xeno to stop vaulting and start playing for distance, which gives enough hesitation to kick the pallet :3 he does it sooner the next time xeno starts to vault the pallet, if you didnt notice
Yes, as the wraith u can end this early by starting to uncloak, but him being able to break the pallet while on the same side as the surv is just a ping battle won, since no sane survivor would stop trying to vault on the same side as the killer (for situation 2)
21:33 wtf i love how people are just like 'no even tho a non-comp killer got a 4k against a comp team is DOES NOT count as rando killers being able to beat comp teams' like, reality clearly says otherwise no matter how triggered you are
They said they banned most of them because they were too good in chase. You can't use head on in chase (by yourself) so it makes sense that it wasn't banned for that reason. Unlike the other exhaustion perks, it requires 2 people not to be doing gens to work, so ig they thought it wasnt so important
As a Wraith main I was really not surprised that this playstyle works so well with the latest gen kick meta or health nerfs. But I'm also convinced, that the killer is still the one losing if played well by everybody. In public matches there is always someone who just wants to have fun or who is weaker or who is not on discord. In this showcase the first comp team lost because their weren't ready for this strategy and they made man small questionable decision (which Hens noticed in live commentary). The second comp team demonstrated, how to beat it with a gameplan in mind. And even public swf would beat it, because they are much more used to it and actually don't need the level of body blocking for that. Generally Wraith doesn't really need a endgame 3-gen for this, because he's fast and stealthy. This fits Bubba better. And he can't hold 3-gen against 4-man swf, because the lethality is just not enough. Nonetheless it worries me, that a basic M1 killer can get so close to force a stale mate by just gen kicking. That shows that some numbers and concepts (gen regression, healing speed) had a reason and shouldn't be messed with. Tip for survivors: try to greed pallets vs. Wraith when you're healthy. In this playstyle Wraith just wants to get pallets out of the way quickly. Don't do him this favour. Make him sweat for every hit and pallet.
20:50 just great patience instead of swinging in for the jolt if feng went for locker and waited to see if they fake since he’s expecting feng to be dodging jolt tbf
i just watched Ardethas new video about the flopp of dbd's first official turnament. watching & hearing you guys going about those games is so much fun .
Guaranteed. Those survivors are also some of the best killers in the game. Every one of them are beasts on the sticks. Zaka is likely the best m1 killer in the game. Xeno is friggin insane and Laser was widely considered the best nurse in the game for a time.
@@andreidragomir5360 most content creators like Ayrun will run practically the same build and will play with a stacked SWF 90% of the time. i personally would like Ayrun more if he solo q'd in most of his vids.
That Twitter post is extremely childish behavior imo. Who gets salty like that over one single game and says things like "no hate" and then basically continues with "this team sucked". lmao
Twitter itself is childish, id say I agree with the post more than disagree, I'm not a comp gamer, but I do teach music, when I see people post a video that is obviously a fake performance it really upsets me, ort when someone says that a certain performance was really good but I could easily point out 10 things that any college trained player would do better, etc.. It still was a tiny bit childish, but I agree with the sentiment.
Ninny said some shit that was unnecessary asf but they were right, this wraith result is really fucking bad not supposed to happen to a comp team. People joke saying misery are just pub players is insulting as fuck to a team considered the second best NA.
The amount of dialogue going on in the survivor side in that last match must be longer than any entire court session. Hectic than a job as a line cook on a Friday night with 5 items on the menu that are 86’d and windows stacked. There’s no reason players should be this good.
Last game is an average experience for me on my high mmr killers which are bad and i try to hold 3gen with (freddy, doc, plague, trapper, knight, legion etc). This lvl survivors are not rare at all, they just dont wanna mess with comp stuff. Killer made some mistakes in overgoing for one, and most crucial that he didnt bring sbfl which is a key tool for 3 gen pressure builds for pure m1 killers. He should hook in the middle of 3gen and camp the shit of it making exchanges. This video is very educational for everyone who thinks that "jUsT DO pREsSuRE" or holding 3 gen from the start will work against pro swf. It will not.
"This lvl of survivor is not rare" at all cmon man pubs aint that hard. Maybe u just need a Lil more practice. If this wraith claim of not losing in a year until this match is true then they went up against high mmr survivors and had no problems.
@@honkbrother8000 i dont believe that he didnt lose for that long time as an C tier killer ;) These ppl literally played like many of swf which i met. Also i watched many tournaments and ppl there made very bad plays and "pubs" swf can do everything perfect and play better than tournament teams. I dont like this restriction of "pub vs tournament", because nothing prevent pub swf from playing strong and efficiently, also they can abuse everything which is usually banned in comps. Ppl think they dont want to win or dont have skill to play that efficiently? Its wrong. Pub is mostly easy and chill, soloq is horrifying for survivors and ez to stomp as killer. But 1/15 pub games will be like that one from this video. Depends on mmr tho
@MrPendalv idk bout 1/15 games but yes there are some insanely strong swfs out there and at least some of them aren't tournament players. But I still feel like ur upping how often u get teams like this. I also play in high mmr and typically I get a few really good player and a few okay ones. Sometimes rarely I'll get a really strong swf that use everything but it's rare man. I also have my doubts about him going a whole year without a single loss tho. That seems a bit unrealistic. But ig it depends on what he defines as a loss?
Comp players have been a fantastic source of amusement for me. One complained to my friend that she was so boring holding W all game and a coward for not looping, this was against their Artist as they sweated their nuts off in a public game with a map offering and everything. Another told me that I was abusing broken perks because we ( 4 solos to boot) managed a 3 person escape thanks to Resurgence and Prove thyself while they sat only a few meters from the hook as huntress with Deadlock, Corrupt and NWO. My favorite was some aussie comp SWF (with matching tags and all the details in their profile) who told me I was boring and not playing for fun because I got one of them in the basement as trapper wile I have trapper sack and 4ked them all at 4 gens, they said this to me with a straight face as I looked at their 4 dead hard, 4 ds (this is old ds and dh) 4 Unbreakables a map offering and an assortment of styptics and anti hemorrhagics. Suffice to say that comp players saying they don't want to be a joke is the height of irony for me.
Tbf there is a big difference between people who call themselves comp and those who actually participate in tournaments. No team I know of is going in pubs with busted items to try and win games.
@@camdenmoore4183 I checked their profiles and everything, the Huntress even had on their profiles that they were some kind of commentator and organizer. DBD "comp players" are just those kids who demanded no-one use the seeking shell in Mario Kart and then throw a wobbly when someone just wants to play the game.
@@Scarecrow-nu6jy and you’re part of the community so you’d obviously know that those players you ran into totally represent the whole of dbd comp, right?
@@awesomealf6663 As I said to someone else, I checked their profiles, one was even a commentator and organizer. Hell there is another comp player I run into from time to time who streams their Blight with some of the most horrific filters, they too bring a map offering every time I see them.
Yeah it took one of the best pro teams on the planet to beat one of the weakest killers in DBD played by an above average wraith main public match killer with zero competitive experience and they were very close to losing if they didn’t play things absolutely perfect. Interesting 🤔 And this is after they nerfed the heck out of wraith too used to uncloak and get a decent speed burst now the uncloak is pretty god awful but maybe not maybe wraith is completely fine if a decent pub stomp killer can nearly beat the best team in the world imagine what they do to pretty much everyone else! I can believe this killer hasn’t lost a game in a year. Probably has 1000+ win streak.
I only played one championship match in my entire life and I still am a top tier Pinhead who can play against pros in matchmaking, I know they don’t play as they would in a championship but sometimes they do and they have all perks available
My guy, if you are against a comp team in call the three-genning is the correct thing to do. Because of that every killer does the same in tornament, and is boring as fuck. Its not Wraith's fault, is the requiriment of a comp setting (Dreadge is the only killer that don't need three gen in comp).
I looked away when Renato stunned wraith to the wrong side of the pallet, so in my head he dumb teched and that's why they were freaking out, I had to rewind to figure why that was good :p
That play onto xeno from bubba was so clean, im also sticking too my idea ive had for years where we should have a 5v5 dbd mode so one swf has 4 survivors and 1 killer and so does the other and the killer from each swf goes against the other team and its kinda like a comp mode in a way
I’ve always thought there should be a rule that each player can only be the killer once in a set. So you don’t just have the same player being killer always. For that matter, play best of seven so you potentially have to have every player be a killer.
Wait till people figure out theres no such thing as professional dbd players since theres no official leaderboards. Think of how many god players there are that just dont bother with tornaments
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Loved watching this live(saw the showcase with wraith and artist) , would love to see more!
Noone plays that garbage
@@drayz9655 actually I did, might play it again to spite u
@@gogglyspecsgs9305 haha don't torture yourself like that
Maybe put the players against stronger killers , like A tier ones.
I'm happy that I could take a part in this Showcase! Was fun for me and I hope for the viewers too!
Actual giga chad bubba, you are insane with that chainsaw
@@Qnor Thanks!
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@@ays4936ays my bro where is our brother needtorename?😞
I still think holding the chainsaw at a hooked survivor holds more skill and interesting gamepl… reactions.
Okay but that bubba play at the beginning with the pallet was INSANE
For real that bubba was amazing!
Did Otz ever release the companion video to this? I would love to see more of the bubba
Do you mean the survivor pressing M1? Lol
@@myriahkeays3846if u want he has a TH-cam channel click his name he commented above urs
@@sylorknag? No? They’re talking about the Bubba play…
1st of all thank you @hens333, @notOtzdarva and everyone else who was involed to make this possible! It was really fun and something very different to experience.
Also thank you to all viewers, you truly made this something special, really fun to read the chat on live stream!
2nd maybe I should clarifiy one detail as I see some comments going into that direction: Yes, these games were long and stretched out on my side. But these here are not the average pub teams. Usually I just kick each gen 2 times and its over already. Here i knew this aint gonna cut it but i didnt want to full tunnel and camp just because we are in a different setting. I really wanted to see if its possible to win by playing mostly the same like in pubs.
3rd I also have to give massive probs to the teams, they were really good and giving me a real fight! Both Teams surprised me many times on their efficiency, coordination and tricks they pulled out. Very well played, they deserve the recognition of their skills!
I can assure to anyone that you will never ever see such teams in your pub lobbys, so be confident that you can win your games without falling back to tunneling and camping. There are many strategies be it hit and run, agressive strong chasing like that Bubba and so on. Find what fits you, practise it and have fun in your games.
Good games man ,nice mind games
You played very well! Was fun to watch!
GGs DaS, great to watch, it took 2 teams of 2 to finally break you're strat, that's damn impressive. If i could ask you a question with you being a wraith main... did the change to flashlights not burning wraith make the gameplay more consistent, or would you say it wasn't much of a problem to begin with? I only ask as i believe wraith is the one exception (maybe Hag) where flashlight burning not only made sense against wraith but also allowed survs to put the brakes on him, as for me most of his power seems to come from control being brought about by his high move speed and flashlight burning felt like a fair counter before being removed
I dislike this comment saying "You'll never see these teams in your lobby" and trying to make it seem like you're a shining example of how to play. You don't take into account at all that as the survivor's skill level goes down then so does the killer's. Or do you expect every killer to dedicate the same amount of time you have into one tricking a killer so they can win public lobbies?
And your shining example of not needing to camp or tunnel left you with a 0k 2 hooks on a balanced map with the strongest 3 gen in DBD and a survivor team who was handicapped and didn't even prepare for your playstyle.
It’s nice that you got your spotlight, way to go!
That bubba was a gigachad,would had been cool to have xeno’s reaction to a certain play in endgame.
zaka (xzaka_ on twitch, vod from 6 days ago as of today) was streaming the matches from the surv pov, you hear xeno reacting but it's rather calm unfortunatley xD
How Xeno still plays with those cheats?, he got banned from various private forums because he was too obvious lmao
@@coomercave8186seriously? Is there proof of this?
@@coomercave8186xeno never got banned somewhere cause of cheats stop talking shit
@@Arentingshe’s just saying shit for whatever reason
Yo thanks for having me and my team play, was a fun time despite not playing as good as I know we could've, was a great experience
Thanks for showing up!
Big unlucky on getting the rare sanctum 2-1-4 gens but it was nice seeing yall play again. If only you guys had Gbot with yall
You played great tbh. 3 gens are a battle of attrition, and all it takes is one small mistake for either side to snowball and take the W.
Also didn't have the advantage of knowing this dude's strat in-and-out before going into the game unlike the 2nd team.
You guys played good. Just didn’t get a “regular” killer match, instead a totally different unexpected strategy. Cant win em all
The Feng body block from the sky followed immediately by vaulting between them for another body block was the craziest save I've seen. The timing was impeccable. I also hope I never face Ays in pubs. That was wild. Everybody in these games are so good and I'm really glad that this was showcased.
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watching Hens and Otz comment on pro/community games is just insanely satisfying
Genuinely so happy that the Wraith did not let being watched by two of the best dbd has to offer and many others change his play style. So many times i feel players being analyzed change how they play.
IDC what people may or may not say that wraith is an amazing player. even if he didn't get a 4k in that last match, he still showcased some really impressive gameplay and held his own really well. also since he did change his build slightly (probably from the chance they'd be expecting how he played the first team) i bet if this second team had faced his initial setup it might have gone differently. but also not everything would always go perfectly even for the highest skill players. i will always be impressed by how well he held his own, and how strongly he committed to his strategy.
u can tell he makes people rage quit often 😂 was very impressed with alot of hit hits as well. very cool
I think he just removed fearmonger when someone told him the survs could t run exhaustion
Depending of his perks and overall performance, he usually wins his rounds by taking solo queue survivors hostage, until they disconnect. A good SWF is everything needed to demolish his playstyle. Game 3 is the proof, that the only reason wraith could win his rounds so easily was ping advantage.
@derunfassbarebielecki4721 i think in the video it mentioned that he hadn't lost as wraith before. There's no way in all that time he was ONLY facing solo-queue and relied on them "DCing" i know that i personally wouldn't have dc'd but this guy is good enough i wouldn't have lasted long anyway because i am not good. But there is no way he hasn't faced really good swfs before. Not everything against the first team was a ping issue. And he nearly turned it around against the second team, who didn't have the ping as an excuse. But his play did feel a bit off i personally think what happened wasn't a difference of ping, the other team might have been more prepared, and i think he also psyched himself out a bit. As seen by his change of addons and perks. I still think his game against the second team would have gone differently if they had been first.
@@derunfassbarebielecki i cant go 10 games without facing a swf, you really think someone who has damn near mastered his character cant face a single one? i reinstall dbd, TRY to play 10 games, get at least 2 swfs, several toxic lobbies and constant bugs with both hit registration and other players ping and such horsesheit
Kinda wack that certain players think winning comp games as anyone bar nurse or blight or something shouldn’t happen 💀
I feel like people forget how hard it can be to perform in that sort of setting, sure there were some obvious mistakes made by the survivors but there are so many small plays that are made over the course of a match that it’s impossible not to make mistakes.
but you have to also realise that there are perk restrictions when playing against weaker killers because they would do some much worse without it.
so when ninny was saying that wraith game on sanctum shouldn’t of happened, it was because the survivors got to use any perks and add-ones they like. at which point yeh they shouldn’t really lose that.
But is it wrong to say? was the first team even "pro" as last team dominated the killer with 4 escape
@@ps9501I don’t think using one game to try and prove a teams strengths is exactly logical.
That First Bubba Hit 😩thx for having me it was fun!
You and otz are doing a great job at casting these games honestly. I feel like casting is something that you don’t realize how difficult it can be until you do actually do it. Either way great video! Have a great day
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@@grassmonkeyO5 what an intelligent comment. You’re wise beyond your years, clearly.
This wraith was WILD. I think sloppy butcher really carried in some instances , those longer reset times gave him time to keep kicking gens and still make it back in time to interrupt the heals. Crazy
Nurses Healing would of helped
I would love to see other players that are really good at killer who don’t have a lot of comp experience go against comp swf teams! Some names that came to mind are crohmbs and Lilith omen.
These guys featured in the video though were also really good! Nothing but respect 👍🙏
Would love a series tbh. One of the best dbd videos I've seen
Its a good idea, but im pretty sure Lilith has a comp background
Lilith dabbled but never played comp.
I like him as a streamer and guy, but I don't think he would hold up vs these teams, I could be wrong but the game sense for how a team operates makes a huge difference.
Lilith went against a comp team and got shit on so badly that he still dodges them every time they're in his lobby lmao
@@RACK-uv7mw yeah, also back when otz did a jflick vs swf showcase, he volunteered to play and got decimated by otz's test swf. That was years ago, but yeah wouldn't suprise me that he remained casual for the most part
Kinda sad how that comp player thought comp would be made out to be a joke simply because a Wraith did well in a comp setting. If I was a comp player I would be thrilled to hear that other killers might break into comp, so I didn't have to go against/play as Blight or Nurse every game.
Hey hey don't forget spirit!
Realistically, every game vs wraith should be like the third game, even at that wraiths skill level, as the reason the survivor's lost is because of mistakes (which in comp, you just can't make)
@SkelXton there were mistakes on both sides in the third round tho. The chances of a full match without any mistakes is pretty unlikely. Even in comp
@@SkelXton tho tbh there were quite a few mistakes on wraith lol. I find it hard to believe his the best we could get.
Comp plays all killers, it’s a pick and ban system so it’s VERY rare to see only S tiers played. They weren’t annoyed a wraith did well, they were annoyed that the survivor team didn’t play well
I played against that wraith, we got destroyed but he offered us a slug race
You guys have got to make a series out of this inviting every killer main against a swf team with you and toz commenting
The game with wraith the killer used Nancy being dead on hook as a trap. If the survivors just doubled down to do gens there instead of even going for the save they would have had an atypical comp W
Altruism is a bad thing sometimes
So if you can't see what Wraith is doing, at the start he takes the 5 closest Gens and patrols them, doesn't even care about the other 2, then slowly as the survivors are chipping away at the 5 gens left, he can patrol them easier cuz they're all close to each other, oppose to if he just let random gens pop. You have to control what Gens you give the survivors. Genius strat if you ask me.
Yeah it’s called forcing a three gen which is kind of unoriginal and boring. Next….
@@grandintart6358 forcing a 3 gen at 5 gens huh... ok thanks for your input
@@EKk8819 I just summarized what you said but in a different, more accurate context. You’re welcome (:
@@grandintart6358"Unorginal and boring" bro that's the whole strategy of every good killer is to force the 3 gen to 4k💀.
@@InternetOpinion it’s funny cause that’s the same lame excuse killers who tunnel and camp say… next.
The fact that at the highest level it has to be played in a totally different way from the avarage skill level really speaks for the state of the games balance.
Like... In every game, like the dog walk in modern warfare or Fortnite with long ass houses for a 20 damage
That applies for pretty much every game that has a competitive and casual scene
@@lleyly4449well tbf fortnite was always designed for build battles its just at first people did not know how to build and as time went on people learned how to build. As a beginner, to reach a comp level, you arent learning to play a different way to fight, you are just unlocking ways to use builds. a better example is in the ranked or tournament whatever its called game modes, where at the end everyone is inside their own 1x1 and theres like 80 people in a small ass circle
aka every game ever. watch high level CSGO then watch a normal match.
what separates this game is that its an Asym. theres no other Asyms to really compare.
this is how 99% of killers were playing when CoB was meta. Skull merchants wraiths knights pigs ive even seen some weskers and plagues play this way
@@DeputyFishyeah every asym is basically dead , maybe tcm will be a good dbd competitor
Wow holy shit what an amazing and interesting play style. Usually I find gen slow down boring but this wraith plays him so perfectly that it’s hard not to be impressed
TWO Hens vids in 12 hours? LETS GO!
i think the major issue for the euro match was ping, seemed like a lot of actions were happening before the wrath could react. I feel like a 2nd round on a different map would have been the major difference
the second match was low ping for everyone. the first match had laggy american survivors.
Really appreciate the great commentary here. Both being very experienced DBD players, but also the format of having a dialogue with each other (questions and answers) to answer potential questions the viewers might think performed very well. Kudos!
I love watching all of these awesome videos, Hens! I'm gonna have to watch this entire channel from the beginning. There is so much amazing content here 🙏
16:39 Otz killed me with the Sharingan comment hahaha
Hens: what?
The sharignagn doesn’t even have the power to switch places with other people, still funny
@@oscar3153 yeah, that would be sasuke's rinnegan ability
Damn dude the comp players also have comp entitlement, that's nutty.
What’s the point of this comment
😂 what
The comment at the start is so true. Private matches in any game is always the best way to improve. The difference in skill in some games between pub and private lobby players is massive
i dont play this game but the commentary is very engaging and it helps keep me interested. good vid
To me this is just a showcase of how strong 3 gens are, and how busted the dead dawg main is lmao
The dead dawg main is actually not very good, it only seemed that way because of the way the comp players used it to its max! Put the pro players in any other main and they would probably do even better.
The reason it’s considered so good is mainly because there’s virtually nothing else on the map. Once it’s used up, your only real option is to buy a tiny bit of time and run to main. Main on Groaning Storehouse is also decent, but it has nowhere near the reputation since there’s other options that can be better. It’s really not good unless the 3 furthest gens from it are left.
It's really hard to make a killer run it, though. In pubs, you will get away with abandoning all chases in main on Dead Dawg.
@@amateur_nft_screenshitter1498
"Not very good" ? It's one of the better mains. Like for all mains though, the survivor needs to know how to loop it or how to outplay the killer.
I suppose with how insanely good some new mains are (like Garden of Joy) DDS's main seems only "meh, decent" but it's really good. Not the best one though.
@@Libellulaire i was just trying to tell this guy that the main building isn’t as “busted” as he seems to think. And beside other mains it is not very good
Watching das play opened my third eye.
That wraith had far less than optimal perks for the first game due to not accounting for rules and he just outplayed them. Impressive. All of them were extremely good. The bubba is not one I want to meet. DBD is fundamentally a game about decision making. Ping can make a difference, but it's rarely going to be the determining factor. Though playing from another region and effectively doubling your reaction time is pretty severe. I don't know if their ping was 200ms or what. It all looked pretty normal to me. The last team had 2 games of prep to watch. No doubt they were impressive, though.
There was no outplaying. He was playing against a full American team who had terrible ping. He had good connection. They would’ve won had they not been lagging tbh
Dead dog made it abit easier for him imo, hit and run strat works wonders on such a small map
Ping makes a major difference. I play mostly survivor and unfortunately more than a half of the killers I play against are lag switching. If I want to play killer I need to prepare myself mentally for this, because my connection is too good and therefore I miss many hits. Currently my internet provider has some issues and my latency is higher than usual and I literally get hits I could have never gotten before.
Still don't understand how the silent bell wouldn't have helped.
These guys have so much patience
i've played on and off since the game started and always been a wraith main. I'm not "good" by any means but it was cool to see a really good player use the body blocking strat that i've been using for so long. Great video!
.... This is pretty common especially since the base kit speed increase while cloaked
@@DarthRane113 Can't a man be happy to see something ?
Otz reaction is killing me 19:13
Lmao same
the windup after the whiff on Nancy was amazing
@Hens pls continue with this type of series
I remember Tru3 trying this strategy a couple years ago. Glad to see war of attrition is finally viable in comp lol.
It only worked against 1 team who was playing on 100+ ping. It really isint
the dude in this vid is a LOT better than tru3
Na team as well. Bottom tier Eu team > middle-top tier na team
And they had 150 ping
Hens, I want to see your squad play against someone named KING WOLFE 2.
I want to see what pro teams would do to someone that has a play style like him, would be insanely interesting and genuinely entertaining
literally me
King Wolfe Is a casual player he would get shit on
@@RACK-uv7mw he camps, slugs and tunnels
His awareness is pretty good too
pov: he’s streaming right now as this uploaded and you clicked on the vid
Man when i was waiting for this video to come out, def would watch part 2 if there was any.
That wraith must win games by putting the survivors to sleep with how he plays. So glad they changed that kicking gen meta
Great video. Love this kind of content
22:37 that wasnt a ping battle, the wraith realized he just needed to bait the start of the uncloak to get xeno to stop vaulting and start playing for distance, which gives enough hesitation to kick the pallet :3
he does it sooner the next time xeno starts to vault the pallet, if you didnt notice
Yes, as the wraith u can end this early by starting to uncloak, but him being able to break the pallet while on the same side as the surv is just a ping battle won, since no sane survivor would stop trying to vault on the same side as the killer (for situation 2)
Otz's instant reaction to blast mine followed by his stunned silence... killer confirmed 😂
Niiiice, I've been looking forward to this!
"I will not go down as a joke for playing comp after this showcase" ironically them crying on twitter because of videogame ego makes them a joke.
This video was uploaded 10 sec ago and it was already on my homepage lol
These are the survivors I get in my games as Killer
21:33 wtf i love how people are just like 'no even tho a non-comp killer got a 4k against a comp team is DOES NOT count as rando killers being able to beat comp teams'
like, reality clearly says otherwise no matter how triggered you are
The Euro team used an exhaustion perk, thought they said no exhaustion perks
They said they banned most of them because they were too good in chase. You can't use head on in chase (by yourself) so it makes sense that it wasn't banned for that reason. Unlike the other exhaustion perks, it requires 2 people not to be doing gens to work, so ig they thought it wasnt so important
das did such an amazing job that was super fun and intense to watch ggs
more vids like this plzzzz
if you gimp them by taking exhaustion perks away then its not a real showcase.
As a Wraith main I was really not surprised that this playstyle works so well with the latest gen kick meta or health nerfs.
But I'm also convinced, that the killer is still the one losing if played well by everybody. In public matches there is always someone who just wants to have fun or who is weaker or who is not on discord.
In this showcase the first comp team lost because their weren't ready for this strategy and they made man small questionable decision (which Hens noticed in live commentary).
The second comp team demonstrated, how to beat it with a gameplan in mind. And even public swf would beat it, because they are much more used to it and actually don't need the level of body blocking for that.
Generally Wraith doesn't really need a endgame 3-gen for this, because he's fast and stealthy. This fits Bubba better.
And he can't hold 3-gen against 4-man swf, because the lethality is just not enough.
Nonetheless it worries me, that a basic M1 killer can get so close to force a stale mate by just gen kicking. That shows that some numbers and concepts (gen regression, healing speed) had a reason and shouldn't be messed with.
Tip for survivors: try to greed pallets vs. Wraith when you're healthy. In this playstyle Wraith just wants to get pallets out of the way quickly. Don't do him this favour. Make him sweat for every hit and pallet.
I need more of this content!!
20:50 just great patience instead of swinging in for the jolt if feng went for locker and waited to see if they fake since he’s expecting feng to be dodging jolt tbf
I love the commentary it felt like a more legit esports.
i just watched Ardethas new video about the flopp of dbd's first official turnament. watching & hearing you guys going about those games is so much fun .
I swear this Wraith at the last match was sweating on the chair like sitting right down the sun :) poor man
Guaranteed. Those survivors are also some of the best killers in the game. Every one of them are beasts on the sticks. Zaka is likely the best m1 killer in the game. Xeno is friggin insane and Laser was widely considered the best nurse in the game for a time.
@@chuckp342You are right agree but I felt very bad for him
if u r pretty invested in dbd or the community, just know that it's physically impossible to avoid Otzdarva.
You cant avoid the Spanish Inquisition
@@Luna.Tenebra lmao not takin anything away from what Otz has done for the community, but it lowkey gets annoying seein him m
@@incognitodude1380 same for me but with ayrun he's so annoying nowadays
@@andreidragomir5360 most content creators like Ayrun will run practically the same build and will play with a stacked SWF 90% of the time. i personally would like Ayrun more if he solo q'd in most of his vids.
That main building on dead dog is so strong for survivors he would have slaughtered them if he just gave it up
That Twitter post is extremely childish behavior imo. Who gets salty like that over one single game and says things like "no hate" and then basically continues with "this team sucked". lmao
Twitter itself is childish, id say I agree with the post more than disagree, I'm not a comp gamer, but I do teach music, when I see people post a video that is obviously a fake performance it really upsets me, ort when someone says that a certain performance was really good but I could easily point out 10 things that any college trained player would do better, etc.. It still was a tiny bit childish, but I agree with the sentiment.
Ninny said some shit that was unnecessary asf but they were right, this wraith result is really fucking bad not supposed to happen to a comp team. People joke saying misery are just pub players is insulting as fuck to a team considered the second best NA.
This was the most intense dead by daylight games i have ever seen
Otz cutting out KnightLight in the middle of his sentence just to scream is so funny
15:05 THE FUCKING SLAP OF GOD
The amount of dialogue going on in the survivor side in that last match must be longer than any entire court session. Hectic than a job as a line cook on a Friday night with 5 items on the menu that are 86’d and windows stacked. There’s no reason players should be this good.
As a demogorgon main I'd love to actually test my skill against a team like this
Ggs! That was enjoyable to watch🔥
Last game is an average experience for me on my high mmr killers which are bad and i try to hold 3gen with (freddy, doc, plague, trapper, knight, legion etc). This lvl survivors are not rare at all, they just dont wanna mess with comp stuff.
Killer made some mistakes in overgoing for one, and most crucial that he didnt bring sbfl which is a key tool for 3 gen pressure builds for pure m1 killers. He should hook in the middle of 3gen and camp the shit of it making exchanges.
This video is very educational for everyone who thinks that "jUsT DO pREsSuRE" or holding 3 gen from the start will work against pro swf. It will not.
"This lvl of survivor is not rare" at all cmon man pubs aint that hard. Maybe u just need a Lil more practice. If this wraith claim of not losing in a year until this match is true then they went up against high mmr survivors and had no problems.
@@honkbrother8000 i dont believe that he didnt lose for that long time as an C tier killer ;)
These ppl literally played like many of swf which i met. Also i watched many tournaments and ppl there made very bad plays and "pubs" swf can do everything perfect and play better than tournament teams.
I dont like this restriction of "pub vs tournament", because nothing prevent pub swf from playing strong and efficiently, also they can abuse everything which is usually banned in comps. Ppl think they dont want to win or dont have skill to play that efficiently? Its wrong.
Pub is mostly easy and chill, soloq is horrifying for survivors and ez to stomp as killer. But 1/15 pub games will be like that one from this video. Depends on mmr tho
@MrPendalv idk bout 1/15 games but yes there are some insanely strong swfs out there and at least some of them aren't tournament players. But I still feel like ur upping how often u get teams like this. I also play in high mmr and typically I get a few really good player and a few okay ones. Sometimes rarely I'll get a really strong swf that use everything but it's rare man.
I also have my doubts about him going a whole year without a single loss tho. That seems a bit unrealistic. But ig it depends on what he defines as a loss?
This wraith gameplay is million times more effective than any ASMR videos to get me into sle.. zzzzzzzz
Imaging being a pro at this game
Comp players have been a fantastic source of amusement for me. One complained to my friend that she was so boring holding W all game and a coward for not looping, this was against their Artist as they sweated their nuts off in a public game with a map offering and everything. Another told me that I was abusing broken perks because we ( 4 solos to boot) managed a 3 person escape thanks to Resurgence and Prove thyself while they sat only a few meters from the hook as huntress with Deadlock, Corrupt and NWO.
My favorite was some aussie comp SWF (with matching tags and all the details in their profile) who told me I was boring and not playing for fun because I got one of them in the basement as trapper wile I have trapper sack and 4ked them all at 4 gens, they said this to me with a straight face as I looked at their 4 dead hard, 4 ds (this is old ds and dh) 4 Unbreakables a map offering and an assortment of styptics and anti hemorrhagics.
Suffice to say that comp players saying they don't want to be a joke is the height of irony for me.
Tbf there is a big difference between people who call themselves comp and those who actually participate in tournaments. No team I know of is going in pubs with busted items to try and win games.
i promise these weren’t actual comp players lol, just pub sweats
@@camdenmoore4183 I checked their profiles and everything, the Huntress even had on their profiles that they were some kind of commentator and organizer.
DBD "comp players" are just those kids who demanded no-one use the seeking shell in Mario Kart and then throw a wobbly when someone just wants to play the game.
@@Scarecrow-nu6jy and you’re part of the community so you’d obviously know that those players you ran into totally represent the whole of dbd comp, right?
@@awesomealf6663 As I said to someone else, I checked their profiles, one was even a commentator and organizer. Hell there is another comp player I run into from time to time who streams their Blight with some of the most horrific filters, they too bring a map offering every time I see them.
Why on earth did the wraith never hook a single soul he should have just kept chasing for the down
“TIMMY TURNER, YOU HAVE BROKEN DA RULES”
where can we watch all these matches? i love this kind of content
i want to see more from this guy! sick skills
Great content as always
25:08 lmfaooo Otz scream got me 😭😭💀
Yeah it took one of the best pro teams on the planet to beat one of the weakest killers in DBD played by an above average wraith main public match killer with zero competitive experience and they were very close to losing if they didn’t play things absolutely perfect.
Interesting 🤔
And this is after they nerfed the heck out of wraith too used to uncloak and get a decent speed burst now the uncloak is pretty god awful but maybe not maybe wraith is completely fine if a decent pub stomp killer can nearly beat the best team in the world imagine what they do to pretty much everyone else! I can believe this killer hasn’t lost a game in a year. Probably has 1000+ win streak.
"Very close to losing"
Next time turn off their communication like soloQ intended and see what happens
They will loose ofc
Great idea but they are not gonna do that.
They will still be really good
It’s comp not soloQ that doesn’t even prove anything
That would be great, it would be the ultimate proof that the game is killer sided
That wraith was playing gen kick simulator so hard
I only played one championship match in my entire life and I still am a top tier Pinhead who can play against pros in matchmaking, I know they don’t play as they would in a championship but sometimes they do and they have all perks available
That isnt otz its just a very convincing doppleganger.
Players that have mained the same killer for years are a different breed.
its a shame how much ping really does alter the gamestate and pallets.
What would you call this? Skull Wraith, or Wraith Merchant?
My guy, if you are against a comp team in call the three-genning is the correct thing to do. Because of that every killer does the same in tornament, and is boring as fuck.
Its not Wraith's fault, is the requiriment of a comp setting (Dreadge is the only killer that don't need three gen in comp).
I looked away when Renato stunned wraith to the wrong side of the pallet, so in my head he dumb teched and that's why they were freaking out, I had to rewind to figure why that was good :p
I think being really good at gen rushing and doing gens in under 5 minutes and being good at looping killers are very different things.
Dragons grip might’ve helped that wraith a little
As someone who has nearly 500 hours on War Thunder... dont put yourself through the misery.
lmao hens trying to talk and otz cutting him 😭
That play onto xeno from bubba was so clean, im also sticking too my idea ive had for years where we should have a 5v5 dbd mode so one swf has 4 survivors and 1 killer and so does the other and the killer from each swf goes against the other team and its kinda like a comp mode in a way
I’ve always thought there should be a rule that each player can only be the killer once in a set. So you don’t just have the same player being killer always. For that matter, play best of seven so you potentially have to have every player be a killer.
loved it, thanks
Great commentary!
This was amazing to watch!
The game is in no way balanced enough to be considered a competitive game. You might as well be a pro player in Fall Guys.
Which is why we create very restrictive rulesets
Very impressive from all sides!
Wait till people figure out theres no such thing as professional dbd players since theres no official leaderboards. Think of how many god players there are that just dont bother with tornaments
If u play tournaments for money you're a pro player no matter the game