Martin talked about an interesting idea for a video: How bands went from the vinyl era to the CD era, maybe you could talk about the changes they made from their last vinyl album to their first CD. You could talk about the differences in cover art, length of the recording and number of songs. Also about what happened in the music world during that transition.
Fantastic and interesting topic. The doubles by Yes and Genesis are examples of albums that were initially ranked first or second, but have dipped a bit in my estimation over the years. I still love both Tales and The Lamb, but other albums from both respective catalogues have climbed up in my ranks. On Yes, I seem to recall a joke along the lines of "Close to the Edge was just that. Tales from Topographic Oceans was when they went over it."
I would love to see an episode on double albums that could have been single discs (with preferred track listing). I have done this with The White Album, Tusk, The Wall, and Quadrophenia. It's an interesting "alternate history" experiment, if nothing else.
I look forward to these shows each week and y'all always make them entertaining. I do have an idea though, I was wondering if there would be enough material for you two to talk about bands that Pete likes and Martin doesn't and vice versa. I think it would be an interesting topic.
"The Final Cut" is lacking the keyboards of Rick Wright. Rick was an important part of the "typical" Pink Floyd sound, so ditching him was a bad move not only on the personal side, but even more so on the musical side of things.
1) have you ever tried to work with a person that has a severe depression AND a drug habit? The narrative that he was "ditched" conveniently glosses over the facts, which Richard Wright never disputed. He was pissed he was fired, but his choices didn't do him any favors. 2) Rick was not writing much for years. So his contributions were missed, but not because he was fired. It started since the animals sessions ended, and many of the ideas that became those songs were older, performed live since 1975.
Hi Luis. While I am not going to contradict you about Richard Wright’s ‘condition’ toward the end of the 1970s/early 1980s, yes you make an excellent point- I do still think the fact that Rick, David and Nick all eventually ended up siding together against Roger is very telling.
Let's not forget that the transitional Genesis touring drummer was Bill Bruford. Yes, Chester Thompson became their long-term drummer, but Bruford was the one that initially got them over the hump.
My Five: Pink Floyd A¹) Double: Ummagumma Single: Atom Heart Mother A²) Double: The Wall Single: The Final Cut A³) Double: Delicate Sound of Thunder Single: The Division Bell A⁴) Double: Is There Anybody Out There? The Wall Live 1980-81 Single: The Endless River Moody Blues: Double: Caught Live + 5 Single: Octave Bruce Springsteen C¹) Double: The.River Single: Nebraska C²) Double: Live/1975-85 (3 LP's) Single: Tunnel of Love Kansas Double: Two for the Show Single: Monolith Yes E¹) Double: Yessongs (3 LP's) Single: Tales from Topographic Oceans E²) Double: Yesshows Single: 90125 *Note:* Only counted Live albums that charted and/or was popular.
I appreciate that Pete allows his guests to talk about bands that he does not care for personally. The Clash is a good example. We all know Martin loves The Clash. My own history with The Clash is strange. For a long time I could not stand Joe's vocals. The Clash for me were only the songs that Mick sang (the likes of "Somebody Got Murdered" from "Sandinista" or "Train in Vain" from "London Calling"). But slowly, with time, I started to "tolerate" and even appreciate Joe's vocals and The Clash became one of my favourite bands. There is certain "raw power" and sincerity about them. It is certainly not the only band that matters, but The Clash were the real thing, and you feel this when you listen to them. Songs like "Hateful", "The Card Cheat", and a few others from "London Calling" turned me into The Clash fanatic. The success of this channel (and the reason I like it) is Pete's personality - he is sincere about things he does not like, at the same time being gracious and humble.
I saw the tour for Genesis "Trick Of The Tail" and it was a really great show. I wish I would have seen them with Gabriel, but Phil did a fantastic job.
I saw them in Columbus OH in a small venue in '73 or '74 with Gabriel. Already had their albums so thought I knew what to expect but WOW!!! Gabriel was so out there it was some experience. His costumes were totally outlandish.
I noticed and my friends noticed that Phil’s voice was similar to Peter’s voice so I thought that’s why the change in vocals for Genesis worked so well ! 🤷🏻♂️
Cheers Pete & Martin. Great show as usual. Couple things: 1) Frank Zappa’s Joe Garage was a triple album. Parts I, II, III. 2) The Final Cut got a 5/5 rating in Rolling Stone. I remember be confused by that because I was hugely disappointed after The Wall and didn’t get it. Since then it has really grown on me as a solid Waters solo album. Add to it When the Tigers Broke Free and you have a very heartfelt letter to his father. It clicked for me after my veteran father passed away and I can’t make it through without shedding some tears. The Hero’s Return is Gilmours only moment but is solid. The Gunners Dream when Rogers voice blends into the sax. It has it’s moments. It just not a Pink Floyd album. However it’s leagues ahead of the crap that is Momentarily Lapse and lesser degree Division Bell.
My picks for double-album hangovers: 1.) Elton John's "Blue Moves (1976)," followed up by "A Single Man (1978)" 2.) Bob Dylan's "Blonde on Blonde (1966)," followed up by "John Wesley Harding (1967)" 3.) Fleetwood Mac's "Tusk (1979)," followed up by "Mirage (1982)"
Always happy to hear some love for one of my favourite Stones albums “Black And Blue”. “Goats Head” is a fantastic album, the sum of its parts are greater than its components. The opposite is true of “It’s Only Rock & Roll”, a favourite in the 70’s but today I’m less inclined to listen to it. Strip it apart and bar 2 tracks it’s full of great songs. Now there’s a possible topic if you’ve not tackle it already; albums with mainly great tracks that don’t work as a whole album.
I agree. Sometimes it makes sense to grasp the whole story, but there is hardly a double album with killers only. The Wall or Lamb lies down would both be great 3 sided albums.
Absolutely. There are albums like the Beatles' White album (to dig at Martin some more) and Van Morrison's Hymms to the Silence and many more that if forced to trim it to a single album they would be really killer from start to finish whereas there are lots of skip-able tracks as they are.
@@dangerdolls it's hard to complain as a music fan when you get more from a band/artist, but as we've said, most double albums fall far short of a killer single album
@@dangerdolls Although if you add the Singles that the Beatles recorded around the sessions of the White Album and add them onto the Album it would’ve been their biggest hit Album ( or hit double Album )
Pete's comments about not liking the reggae-ish songs on London Calling got me thinking about a possible topic: genres that you don't like except for an album (or two). For me (as an example) I have no use for "neo-prog" but I *love* Transatlantic Bridge Across Forever.
I love Goats Head Soup.Probably because I picked it up the day it was released.I remember it like it was yesterday.Went home put it on the turntable lit up with my wife and enjoyed
I agree. I got it brand new when it came out and love the whole thing. Mick Taylor has some real shining moments .Hide Your Love and a 100 Years Ago have great guitar breaks.
I enjoy all of Chicago's "Terry Kath era" albums, including the first three albums, which were *all* double albums, as well as the single albums with Terry too (especially "Chicago V"). However, sadly, after "Chicago VII," their *last* double album, they lost much of the adventurous, jazzy side of the band that I loved so much. After VII, they still did jazz-rock well live, and *very* occasionally, in the studio, but it was never quite the same.
Peter like Kath were rockers in secret but frustratingly was constantly pushed by the record company and sales to stick with ballads, but we always have those albums and Peter’s “Livin’ in the Limelight” 👍🏻
Popoff and Pardo are at it again with some Double Album discussion. Very interesting discussion, gents. Though outside the usual SoT areas, one that comes to my mind is Stevie Wonder with the double album "Songs In The Key Of Life" followed by the soundtrack but which was issued as a Stevie Wonder Album "Stevie Wonder's Journey Through The Secret Life Of Plants." The double album a wonder (no pun intended) of genius, the second a commercial and critical slump. Thanks to Pete for including Todd Rundgren in the discussion. Wizard is not just a favorite Todd album but perhaps my favorite album period. Todd just didn't get a lot of airplay other than "Hello, It's Me" and wasn't a very well-known artist outside of that song. Thanks to Martin for sharing the communique from City Boy. Very interesting. And yep, George Harrison's All Things Must Pass was a 3-album release. A brief side note- Chicago IV was not a triple album but a quadruple LP boxed set. My teenage wallet was emptied when buying each of these at the time. Thanks once again, gents, for the interesting topic. There ya go!
Sandinista was very brave, following London Calling with a 3 disc set and only charging for the same as a single record album. Sure there's some filler on it and it would have made a GREAT single album but the fact its so packed with so much diversity is whats so cool about it.
Was watching the "Amazing Journey" documentary on the Who, and Pete Townshend was was talking about following up "Quadrophenia" with "Who by Numbers." He said he was so fatigued and exhausted that there was no way he could write another rock opera concept after coming up with "Tommy," "Lifehouse (Who's Next)" and "Quadrophenia." If critics and audiences were a little tired with the Who as Martin indicated, so was Pete Townshend. That whole "Who By Numbers" album was his mid-life crisis set to music, and that's why I love that album.
Smashing Pumpkins released one of the most popular double albums, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. And on vinyl I think it's a triple album. It was big, complicated and heavy at times. But they followed it up with the more simple Adore that was more electronic and less full-blown rock. Being one of the most anticipated albums of 1996, it was seen as a big disappointment. And I never hear fans talk about it much these days.
Out of their reach. Basically I have only heard them cover 1970-1990. Sometimes Martin mentions some early grunge. Or they mention later output by bands, like Europe, who was active in this period.
Frank Zappa's Lather for the question brought up in Sandinista. A 4 LP album that Zappa had to split into individual albums that on their own don't transmit the eclecticism of a 4LP tour de force, with the exception of Sheik Yerbouti which works as a transitional album, and a very loved one. The hangover for Läther would be the one and only Joe's Garage, a departure from everything Zappa had done before. The hangover for Joe's Garage would be the uninspired Tinseltown Rebellion. Läther would be released as a posthumous 3 cd album in the 90s with some great bonus tracks. My absolute fav from Zappa. I might be the small minority but Mellon Collie was the hangover from Siamese Dream which, for vinyl purposes was released as a double album in the age of CDs. The secret ingredient that made Nirvana and the Smashing Pumpkins so great and accessible was Butch Vig, someone no one brings up any more. Mellon Collie is a mess full of filler songs, rushed, generic songs most of them. It has some good tracks, a couple astounding ones. Sorry, I just still can't get into that album after decades. Nothing they would ever release after Siamese would capture the spirit of the 2 first albums. I agree with The Who by Numbers, it's a good album, probably their last great album although it has the evident signs of wear where the energy was gone to never come back again. Never again a Bargain or a Won't get fooled again or a Love reign o'er me. Honourable mentions for me are Captain Fantastic by Elton John following up the ambitious Goodbye Yellow Brick Road. An even more ambitious and biographical concept album that did well on the charts despite not having a big pop single in it. U2's Achtung Baby following up Rattle and Hum. I know it's a mainstream band you guys don't talk about but that album is the greatest example of how to overcome a hangover by partying extra hard, lol. A complete departure from the preachiness and messianic band they'd become with Joshua Tree and the pretentious double album Rattle and Hum. I take the XTC challenge with Apple Venus volume 1 as the hangover of Nonsuch which was released as a double vinyl back in the day. Nonsuch is what Avalon was for Roxy Music, a culmination as a more polished and accessible treat. A masterpiece. Apple Venus 1 is great too, although suffers a bit in spots with Moulding's songs that are totally forgettable. Apple Venus 1 would end up breaking the band in the end because Andy would become the band's Roger Waters of sorts. Nice show! Deserves a part 2, imo.
Abbey Road is a huge, iconic album. Hit songs like Come Together, Octopuses Garden, Something, and Here Comes the Sun. I wouldn't exactly refer to it as a hangover from The White Album. Yellow Submarine wasn't really a studio album. Just a few new songs. Mostly previous released stuff and the second side was George Martin instrumental music. It was a soundtrack to the animated cartoon. Let It Be was actually recorded before Abbey Road. So, we are talking about a two year gap between the recording of The White Album and Abbey Road.
I love this show, and this is another great episode. Not one of my favoites, but I do appreciate The Clash, and I quite like London Calling. I love The Who, and although there are some good songs The Who By Numbers is not my favorite. I love The Stones too, but they have had their ups, and downs. I really like It's Only Rock-N-Roll, and Black and Blue is pretty good too. Todd Rundgren is a good choice. Thanks guys.
Here are some doubles Cream - wheels of fire + goodbye Jimi Hendrix- electric ladyland + band of gypsys Jethro tull - living in the past + a passion play The sweet - strung up + give us a wink Peter frampton- frampton comes alive + im in you Led zeppelin- the song remains the same + in through the out door Kiss - alive + destroyer Alive 2 + dynasty Status quo- alive + rockin all over the world Motorhead- no remorse + orgasmatron Iron maiden - live after death + somewhere in time
Hendrix, from the lush double Electric Ladyland to the raw Band of Gypsies; ELO’s double Out of the Blue to the dance pop Discovery,; and Dylan’s double Blonde on Blonde to the sparse John Wesley Harding.
The first concert that Genesis played with Phil as the singer was in London , Ontario . I remember reading that they wanted to have him start the tour in an area that looked very favourably towards the band ( which Ontario did ) . I was at the second concert that he sang at , which was in Toronto's Maple Leaf Gardens . It was clear that he was going over very well , and having the second drummer , in this case it was Bill Bruford , added an interesting element to the show . Fortunately , I also happened to attend the Lamb Lies Down concert with Peter a couple of years before that , which was fantastic . The shows were quite different , but both were wonderful . Cheers !
Great show. My favorite double albums are: London Calling, Exile on Main street, lamb lies down, physical Grafitti, The River and The White Album. As for follow ups, I'm not a big fan of Sandinista and Nebraska and Presence. I love Goat's Head, Trick of the Tail, and Abbey Road.
I’m with you Pete. I love the title track of London calling. The album cover is iconic and one of my favourite album covers ever. But I cannot get into the Clash either…..I’ve tried. I’ve tried as early back as 1982….all the punk guys I’ve known throughout the years loved them and I tried again…..the Clash to me are like George Constanza after his shower at the gym…….” Yeah it didn’t take “ cool show……some funny comments on this one…..🤟
Have to thank Pete for giving me that push that finally got me to check out Priest’s Nostradamus. I downloaded it. To my surprise I really liked it. Really like the guitar work. There are things I don’t like, like the vocals. Yet I’m fine with the short comings. As I listened I imagined if this was done differently, if that was done like whatever... perfect. I like the album so much I’m thinking of getting a physical copy of it. For me, this is the only Judas Priest album I really need to have. Pete shakes his head and says, “go figure.” This is more the kind of Metal I want to hear. It’s not perfect, but there’s enough there that it can engage my mind.
Funny Martin mentioned going into Sam's to grab the last of the vinyl. I worked next door at A&A's, and I remember the fateful day when we were asked to pack up the vinyl section. I asked if we should put them in the boxes in alphabetic order, and the manager said just throw them in the boxes. A sad day.
The Final Cut really speaks to me, probably because it is so morose and unhappy. I love it. And yes, I agree, it's pretty much a Waters solo album. The Endless River has more to do with the Metallic Spheres album that Gilmour did with The Orb than a Floyd album in my opinion.
I can still listen to The Clash London Calling nowadays, but I could not listen to anything from Yes ever again, and I was a huge fan way back. London Calling cover = paying homage to Elvis Presley first album cover, check it out.
I’m not a big fan of studio double albums, but the one that springs to mind is ELO Out of The Blue, followed by Discovery. OOTB is their apex IMO, full of strings & very grand. Discovery is more stripped down & influenced by disco. A hang over? Probably not but very different.
With Pete on Goat's Head Soup - never understood the flak at all, full of great songs. The Clash and Sandinista? Absolutely love all 6 sides of it, unique in sound too. Just wish they'd followed it with a quadruple though, would have been hilarious, they had it in them too. Yes and Tales From Topographic Oceans - 4 tracks, 1 on each side - just love that, how prog can you get? and it's full of beautiful passages.
Thanks for clarifying the Beatles situation, Martin. All is forgiven but I'm still not sure whether you or I misunderstood the concept of last week's topic - I had read it as 'only one album that you liked and the rest were average/poor' but you seem to have interpreted it as 'one album that towers above the rest in my opinion' As four Beatles' albums get 10/10, in my opinion, and the rest get between 7 and 9/10, I can understand the mini-furore that your choice caused. Anyway, I might comment on this week's topic when I've heard the rest of the video.
Zappa's Joe's Garage is kind of a triple album. Originally released as a single and a double shortly after, but then quickly repackaged. Lather is a quadruple album but a good chunk of it is live.
Azra release 8 albums in one year. Iron Maiden - The Book of Souls Iron Maiden - Senjutsu Prince - Crystal Ball Prince - LOtUSFLOW3R Tom Waits - Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards
There's a bit of amnesia when it comes to Exile. I remember it wasn't received well at the time. It took a couple of years for people to begin to rate it up there with their best. But I never warmed up to it either. It's very much like their concerts. . .pretty one-dimensional sound all the way through.
'Trick of the Tail' is right up there with the Gabriel-era albums. I prefer 'The Lamb" but also dig 'Trick' a lot. I missed Gabriel's deeper vocal delivery though. Cheers.
Yes Pete . I was going to mention All Things Must Pass . It's all in the studio and the third album is jam sessions . Great guitar , Clapton , Harrison and who ever was hanging around and drumming from Jim Gordon and Ginger Baker , they don't make records like that anymore .
One listen to the last song, "Lochness" on Angel of Retribution and you know which direction they are heading going forward and sure enough, 4 years later, out comes Nostradamus.
Your discussion about Todd takes me back to your Epic Length Songs That Suck video, and that even after A Wizard A True Star, he decided to keep getting weirder over the next couple of years, which eventually culminated with A Treatise On Cosmic Fire on the Initiation album. It's almost like with each album after Something/Anything, he was taking steps to try and scare off all his mainstream followers. If none of them were turned off by A Wizard A True Star, he then hoped he could scare them off with the Todd album, and if that wasn't successful in scaring them off, he hoped that the first Utopia album would do just that, and if they somehow weren't turned off by that album's weirdness, he then put out Initiation to make sure he finished them for good. I personally think he was just testing his fans' loyalty, because after Initiation, he gradually went back to putting out more radio friendly material again, like Hermit Of Mink Hollow and all the later Utopia albums.
@@reclaimerReclaimer Todd was actually intended to be a single vinyl album. It is in fact the same length as Initiation which came out as a single vinyl release the following year. When CDs came about however, Todd was finally issued as a single disc release as it originally should have been.
I disagree with Martin. The "low point" of "The Stones entire career" isn't Goats Head Soup (1973). I think the low point is Undercover (1983) and Dirty Work.(1986).
If my memory serves me. The Incredible String Band double Album U (1970) followed their somewhat ambitious 1970 single album. I Looked Up. It would be a new musical direction reviewed in their next studio album, Liquid Acrobat. from 1971. Their best work, was No Ruinous Feud. (1973). and I would bet that fewer than a handful will know what the heck I am talking about. lol.
Talk about a contrarian,Martin,my buddy is a true contrarian.He swears Nostrodamus is a masterpiece.He loves it.His favorite ThinLizzy album is Chinatown.Cool shirt,Pete.Great vid as always.Popoff&Pardo are hit.🤘
George Harrison´s first solo album, All Things Must Pass from 1970, is a triple vinyl album, also available as a 2CD. Also, I bought the Black Album when it was brand new in 1991. The vinyl was a double, while the CD was a single release, as was the cassette release. Same thing went for Use Your Illusion I & II, and U2´s Rattle and Hum from three years earlier - single CD but double vinyl. Some bands had that in their contracts, that they wanted the vinyl to have a certain standard of fidelity, meaning bigger grooves, hence double vinyl as opposed to single CD. Nothing wrong with that!
22:48 Wikipedia has a list of triple albums though it is admittedly dominated by live albums and compilations. I'm also not sure if a 2 CD/3 LP is considered a triple album (e.g. "Senjutsu", Iron Maiden)? Anyway, one might consider these: "Emancipation" by Prince, "The Fragile" by Nine Inch Nails, "1/2 Gentlemen/Not Beasts" by Half Japanese.
It also must be remembered that the “The Who by Numbers” was released just in the immediate wake of “The Tommy” film. The film put a lot of focus on Roger as a film star and the band were trying to figure out their next move as they had been so focused on the making and release of the “Tommy” film. Also, Keith Moon had moved to LA and was working on a solo album plus causing all sorts of mayhem. Additionally, John had touring and losing money with The Ox band. Finally, the album was recorded when Pete and Roger were duking against each other it out in British music press. It was definitely a fraught/uncertain period for the band and Pete’s lyrics reflect it.
The Beatles used up a lot of material for the White Album, (much of Abbey Road and Let It Be were demoed during the sessions), which got me wondering if at some point they thought it might be their last.
Some bands I'm surprised Martin didn't mention are Hüsker Dü (Zen Arcade is the great double album and New Day Rising is their equally great single album follow-up) and the Minutemen (Double Nickles on the Dime,their double and 3-way Tie (For Last) ,their single follow-up). Also there's Iron Maiden,who followed up a fine double album with another fine double album in recent years,The Book of Souls and Senjutsu.
If you take The Kinks Preservation Act 1 and then Preservation act 2 and 3..which was a double album..then that's a sort of Triple Studio album...kinda.
Exile on Main St is the culmination of the Stones career, specifically from where they started with Beggars Banquet. With Banquet through Sticky Fingers they did interpretations of American music. With Exile they matured, the influences are there but they don’t sound like interpretations anymore. They are making music equal to those influences. They melded all those influences into something new. A great record, one of the greatest albums of all time. Goats Head Soup is probably the greatest downfall in rock history. The Stones went from Exile to making imitations of their of interpretations. Calculated music, and it goes on to this day.
George Harrison's album "All Things Must Pass" is a triple album. It's still considered his classic. The first two discs are original studio stuff/songs that were rejected for Beatles albums. The third disc includes lengthy jam sessions that are instrumental, one amusing hidden track about John Lennon's 30th birthday, and that's it. The third disc may not be your cup of tea if you don't like bands jamming for extended lengths of time. So there's that.
I saw Priest here in the UK promoting Nostradamus. I travelled to Manchester to see them, only to find out the gig had been moved last minute to a smaller venue. We got there just in time. They played a lot of Nostradamus, but what I remember the most was how bad Rob Halford was, seemed utterly disinterested. I quite like Nostradamus, if Spinal Tap made a concept album, they'd have made this.Seriously though it's a nice album, I'm amazed Pete dislikes it.
The thing with Topographic Oceans isn't just the length, but that it kind of lacks focus and a sense of direction, whereas Relayer is equally epic but has a ton of energy and drive. Justice For All isn't actually a double album -- at least by late-'80s standards, and by Metallica album-length standards. It was released as a double-disc >record< because they pressed it at 45 rpm so as not to compromise sound quality. There would have been issues had they pressed it onto a single vinyl record. Load and Reload are both way longer, but no one considers them double albums -- in fact, quite the opposite. They're considered a double-album package >together< which means that each one is considered a single half of a double album. A lot of it was that Justice straddled the cd era but also that Metallica albums had all been long up to that point anyway.
A lot of cd era albums are double albums since cd's hold more than a single album. Consequently though these are generally less total minutes than the pre-cd true double albums usually with fewer songs per side.
Yes Clash blew their brains out on Sandinista. They impressed with that but you kind of knew it was going to run out of gas. They opened for the Who in Toronto earlier in their career. Very cool band.
I agree with Pete.I was a teenager when punk happened in 76.I loved the Pistols,Damned,Jam,Ramones,etc but couldn’t take to the Clash.I now have London Calling and Sandinista on cd replacing my long lost vinyl copies.I still don’t get it.The first lp is worse.Give ‘em Enough Rope is ok.
Listening to Martin talk about Metallica in transition from AJFA double album to the Black Album….It made me think a couple of things: First is how much different would things have been had Cliff never been in that fateful bus accident? It is undeniable the band felt they went as far as they could go musically with that style with Justice based on interview and material they put out. Still, I wonder if the same conclusion would have been made had Cliff never passed? It just seemed that the more progressive metal side of Metallica was something that was evolving from RTL to MOP after Cliff got more involved in the songwriting. Second and something Pete said, The Black Album did signify them as ending being a thrash band. I think the closest thrash song they did on the Black Album was Wherever I may roam. It was clear it was going to have a more commercial vibe. This was the direction Lars wanted to take the band and if that is what the band wanted to do. I am one of those people that really did not care for this change, not so much because they were more commercial, but music became so predictable. It is a very good album but it really has not aged well at all like much of what they made after it. Okay my rant is done /rant off :)
How about doing best "rarities albums"? The one that contains outtakes, singles, unreleased, etcetera. Like the following albums: The Who - Odds and Sods Nirvana - Incesticide REM - Dead Letter Office Def Leppard - Retro Active Metallica - Garage Inc. and many many more.
Metallica's black album is in my definition of heavy. Definitely the most sonically sounding heaviest of Metallica's album it sounds great and i dont understand some of the hate it gets its a great album.
These Friday shows for me are like sitting down with two of my best mates and having a good chinwag.
chinwag ! haha
Lol. I feel the same way.
Best part of SoT in my opinion! Greatly enjoy those episodes. Cheers!
Same here ... and not only with them, but also with all of you. These shows bring us all together. 🤗
Ah, yes, I also enjoy a good meal with my buddies! Now, when you order the chinwag, do you like it spicy or mild?
I always look forward to Pete Pardo and Martin Popoff on Friday. What a great episode on double albums. Pete and Martin's discussions are gold.
Martin talked about an interesting idea for a video: How bands went from the vinyl era to the CD era, maybe you could talk about the changes they made from their last vinyl album to their first CD. You could talk about the differences in cover art, length of the recording and number of songs. Also about what happened in the music world during that transition.
Love that video idea.
@@CaretakerWanted Hope someone does it
Brilliant idea!
Fantastic and interesting topic.
The doubles by Yes and Genesis are examples of albums that were initially ranked first or second, but have dipped a bit in my estimation over the years. I still love both Tales and The Lamb, but other albums from both respective catalogues have climbed up in my ranks. On Yes, I seem to recall a joke along the lines of "Close to the Edge was just that. Tales from Topographic Oceans was when they went over it."
I would love to see an episode on double albums that could have been single discs (with preferred track listing). I have done this with The White Album, Tusk, The Wall, and Quadrophenia. It's an interesting "alternate history" experiment, if nothing else.
What would you have removed from Quadrophenia? I can't imagine much more than "I Am The Sea."
The fact that it's so difficult a task shows why the artists went with double albums.
Totally agree with The White Album
I have many doubles on my list that should have been edited down to single albums
I look forward to these shows each week and y'all always make them entertaining. I do have an idea though, I was wondering if there would be enough material for you two to talk about bands that Pete likes and Martin doesn't and vice versa. I think it would be an interesting topic.
"The Final Cut" is lacking the keyboards of Rick Wright. Rick was an important part of the "typical" Pink Floyd sound, so ditching him was a bad move not only on the personal side, but even more so on the musical side of things.
I agree, one of those very underrated but essential members of a classic band. Like John Deacon, John Paul Jones, Bill Ward.
1) have you ever tried to work with a person that has a severe depression AND a drug habit? The narrative that he was "ditched" conveniently glosses over the facts, which Richard Wright never disputed. He was pissed he was fired, but his choices didn't do him any favors.
2) Rick was not writing much for years. So his contributions were missed, but not because he was fired. It started since the animals sessions ended, and many of the ideas that became those songs were older, performed live since 1975.
Hi Luis. While I am not going to contradict you about Richard Wright’s ‘condition’ toward the end of the 1970s/early 1980s, yes you make an excellent point- I do still think the fact that Rick, David and Nick all eventually ended up siding together against Roger is very telling.
Let's not forget that the transitional Genesis touring drummer was Bill Bruford. Yes, Chester Thompson became their long-term drummer, but Bruford was the one that initially got them over the hump.
My Five:
Pink Floyd
A¹)
Double: Ummagumma
Single: Atom Heart Mother
A²)
Double: The Wall
Single: The Final Cut
A³)
Double: Delicate Sound of Thunder
Single: The Division Bell
A⁴)
Double: Is There Anybody Out There? The Wall Live 1980-81
Single: The Endless River
Moody Blues:
Double: Caught Live + 5
Single: Octave
Bruce Springsteen
C¹)
Double: The.River
Single: Nebraska
C²)
Double: Live/1975-85 (3 LP's)
Single: Tunnel of Love
Kansas
Double: Two for the Show
Single: Monolith
Yes
E¹)
Double: Yessongs (3 LP's)
Single: Tales from Topographic Oceans
E²)
Double: Yesshows
Single: 90125
*Note:* Only counted Live albums that charted and/or was popular.
Great memories of spending Saturday afternoons at Sam the record man going through all the music in that place. Terrific episode guys.
I appreciate that Pete allows his guests to talk about bands that he does not care for personally. The Clash is a good example. We all know Martin loves The Clash. My own history with The Clash is strange. For a long time I could not stand Joe's vocals. The Clash for me were only the songs that Mick sang (the likes of "Somebody Got Murdered" from "Sandinista" or "Train in Vain" from "London Calling"). But slowly, with time, I started to "tolerate" and even appreciate Joe's vocals and The Clash became one of my favourite bands. There is certain "raw power" and sincerity about them. It is certainly not the only band that matters, but The Clash were the real thing, and you feel this when you listen to them. Songs like "Hateful", "The Card Cheat", and a few others from "London Calling" turned me into The Clash fanatic. The success of this channel (and the reason I like it) is Pete's personality - he is sincere about things he does not like, at the same time being gracious and humble.
I saw the tour for Genesis "Trick Of The Tail" and it was a really great show. I wish I would have seen them with Gabriel, but Phil did a fantastic job.
I saw them in Columbus OH in a small venue in '73 or '74 with Gabriel. Already had their albums so thought I knew what to expect but WOW!!! Gabriel was so out there it was some experience. His costumes were totally outlandish.
I noticed and my friends noticed that Phil’s voice was similar to Peter’s voice so I thought that’s why the change in vocals for Genesis worked so well ! 🤷🏻♂️
Cheers Pete & Martin. Great show as usual. Couple things:
1) Frank Zappa’s Joe Garage was a triple album. Parts I, II, III.
2) The Final Cut got a 5/5 rating in Rolling Stone. I remember be confused by that because I was hugely disappointed after The Wall and didn’t get it. Since then it has really grown on me as a solid Waters solo album. Add to it When the Tigers Broke Free and you have a very heartfelt letter to his father. It clicked for me after my veteran father passed away and I can’t make it through without shedding some tears. The Hero’s Return is Gilmours only moment but is solid. The Gunners Dream when Rogers voice blends into the sax. It has it’s moments. It just not a Pink Floyd album. However it’s leagues ahead of the crap that is Momentarily Lapse and lesser degree Division Bell.
I’ll have to dig out "The Final Cut" and give it listen. It’s been quite a long time since I heard it last.
My picks for double-album hangovers:
1.) Elton John's "Blue Moves (1976)," followed up by "A Single Man (1978)"
2.) Bob Dylan's "Blonde on Blonde (1966)," followed up by "John Wesley Harding (1967)"
3.) Fleetwood Mac's "Tusk (1979)," followed up by "Mirage (1982)"
John Wesley Harding was a masterpiece, one of Dylan's best albums.
Always happy to hear some love for one of my favourite Stones albums “Black And Blue”. “Goats Head” is a fantastic album, the sum of its parts are greater than its components. The opposite is true of “It’s Only Rock & Roll”, a favourite in the 70’s but today I’m less inclined to listen to it. Strip it apart and bar 2 tracks it’s full of great songs. Now there’s a possible topic if you’ve not tackle it already; albums with mainly great tracks that don’t work as a whole album.
Pete, Chicago Live at Carnagie was a 4 album set on vinyl.
I absolutely love these Friday shows. Thanks guys! ALWAYS so insightful.
Fun episode Pete & Martin. Double album hangover, and yet most double albums for me tend to have too much filler.
I agree. Sometimes it makes sense to grasp the whole story, but there is hardly a double album with killers only.
The Wall or Lamb lies down would both be great 3 sided albums.
Absolutely. There are albums like the Beatles' White album (to dig at Martin some more) and Van Morrison's Hymms to the Silence and many more that if forced to trim it to a single album they would be really killer from start to finish whereas there are lots of skip-able tracks as they are.
@@dangerdolls it's hard to complain as a music fan when you get more from a band/artist, but as we've said, most double albums fall far short of a killer single album
@@simond1574 agree, the Wall has lost some luster for me over the years, the high points are spectacular, but too much of it fails to hold my interest
@@dangerdolls Although if you add the Singles that the Beatles recorded around the sessions of the White Album and add them onto the Album it would’ve been their biggest hit Album ( or hit double Album )
Always great to watch two friends talking about music …greetings from Argentina …
Pete's comments about not liking the reggae-ish songs on London Calling got me thinking about a possible topic: genres that you don't like except for an album (or two). For me (as an example) I have no use for "neo-prog" but I *love* Transatlantic Bridge Across Forever.
I love Goats Head Soup.Probably because I picked it up the day it was released.I remember it like it was yesterday.Went home put it on the turntable lit up with my wife and enjoyed
It's aged really well too. The deluxe release a year or so back was excellent.
Tough to Follow up Exile on main Street but Goats Heads Soup is the last Great Stones record...Maybe because they stopped working with Jimmy Miller?
I agree. I got it brand new when it came out and love the whole thing. Mick Taylor has some real shining moments .Hide Your Love and a 100 Years Ago have great guitar breaks.
I like It's Only Rock and Roll better, so there 🎸
I enjoy all of Chicago's "Terry Kath era" albums, including the first three albums, which were *all* double albums, as well as the single albums with Terry too (especially "Chicago V"). However, sadly, after "Chicago VII," their *last* double album, they lost much of the adventurous, jazzy side of the band that I loved so much. After VII, they still did jazz-rock well live, and *very* occasionally, in the studio, but it was never quite the same.
Kath and Cetera together were great.
Peter like Kath were rockers in secret but frustratingly was constantly pushed by the record company and sales to stick with ballads, but we always have those albums and Peter’s “Livin’ in the Limelight” 👍🏻
Popoff and Pardo are at it again with some Double Album discussion. Very interesting discussion, gents. Though outside the usual SoT areas, one that comes to my mind is Stevie Wonder with the double album "Songs In The Key Of Life" followed by the soundtrack but which was issued as a Stevie Wonder Album "Stevie Wonder's Journey Through The Secret Life Of Plants." The double album a wonder (no pun intended) of genius, the second a commercial and critical slump. Thanks to Pete for including Todd Rundgren in the discussion. Wizard is not just a favorite Todd album but perhaps my favorite album period. Todd just didn't get a lot of airplay other than "Hello, It's Me" and wasn't a very well-known artist outside of that song. Thanks to Martin for sharing the communique from City Boy. Very interesting. And yep, George Harrison's All Things Must Pass was a 3-album release. A brief side note- Chicago IV was not a triple album but a quadruple LP boxed set. My teenage wallet was emptied when buying each of these at the time. Thanks once again, gents, for the interesting topic. There ya go!
Sandinista was very brave, following London Calling with a 3 disc set and only charging for the same as a single record album.
Sure there's some filler on it and it would have made a GREAT single album but the fact its so packed with so much diversity is whats so cool about it.
Didn't Todd Rundgren follow up "A Wizard, A True Star" with another double album, "Todd?" I love all those records myself. I was a huge fan.
Correct: Something/Anything?, A Wizard..., Todd is the order of studio releases mentioned. Of those 3, I love A Wizard, A True Star the best.
Was watching the "Amazing Journey" documentary on the Who, and Pete Townshend was was talking about following up "Quadrophenia" with "Who by Numbers." He said he was so fatigued and exhausted that there was no way he could write another rock opera concept after coming up with "Tommy," "Lifehouse (Who's Next)" and "Quadrophenia." If critics and audiences were a little tired with the Who as Martin indicated, so was Pete Townshend. That whole "Who By Numbers" album was his mid-life crisis set to music, and that's why I love that album.
Smashing Pumpkins released one of the most popular double albums, Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. And on vinyl I think it's a triple album. It was big, complicated and heavy at times. But they followed it up with the more simple Adore that was more electronic and less full-blown rock. Being one of the most anticipated albums of 1996, it was seen as a big disappointment. And I never hear fans talk about it much these days.
Out of their reach. Basically I have only heard them cover 1970-1990. Sometimes Martin mentions some early grunge. Or they mention later output by bands, like Europe, who was active in this period.
Prince released back to back triple albums. Emancipation and Crystal Ball
Frank Zappa's Lather for the question brought up in Sandinista.
A 4 LP album that Zappa had to split into individual albums that on their own don't transmit the eclecticism of a 4LP tour de force, with the exception of Sheik Yerbouti which works as a transitional album, and a very loved one.
The hangover for Läther would be the one and only Joe's Garage, a departure from everything Zappa had done before. The hangover for Joe's Garage would be the uninspired Tinseltown Rebellion.
Läther would be released as a posthumous 3 cd album in the 90s with some great bonus tracks.
My absolute fav from Zappa.
I might be the small minority but Mellon Collie was the hangover from Siamese Dream which, for vinyl purposes was released as a double album in the age of CDs.
The secret ingredient that made Nirvana and the Smashing Pumpkins so great and accessible was Butch Vig, someone no one brings up any more.
Mellon Collie is a mess full of filler songs, rushed, generic songs most of them. It has some good tracks, a couple astounding ones.
Sorry, I just still can't get into that album after decades. Nothing they would ever release after Siamese would capture the spirit of the 2 first albums.
I agree with The Who by Numbers, it's a good album, probably their last great album although it has the evident signs of wear where the energy was gone to never come back again.
Never again a Bargain or a Won't get fooled again or a Love reign o'er me.
Honourable mentions for me are Captain Fantastic by Elton John following up the ambitious Goodbye Yellow Brick Road. An even more ambitious and biographical concept album that did well on the charts despite not having a big pop single in it.
U2's Achtung Baby following up Rattle and Hum.
I know it's a mainstream band you guys don't talk about but that album is the greatest example of how to overcome a hangover by partying extra hard, lol.
A complete departure from the preachiness and messianic band they'd become with Joshua Tree and the pretentious double album Rattle and Hum.
I take the XTC challenge with Apple Venus volume 1 as the hangover of Nonsuch which was released as a double vinyl back in the day. Nonsuch is what Avalon was for Roxy Music, a culmination as a more polished and accessible treat. A masterpiece.
Apple Venus 1 is great too, although suffers a bit in spots with Moulding's songs that are totally forgettable. Apple Venus 1 would end up breaking the band in the end because Andy would become the band's Roger Waters of sorts.
Nice show!
Deserves a part 2, imo.
Abbey Road is a huge, iconic album. Hit songs like Come Together, Octopuses Garden, Something, and Here Comes the Sun. I wouldn't exactly refer to it as a hangover from The White Album. Yellow Submarine wasn't really a studio album. Just a few new songs. Mostly previous released stuff and the second side was George Martin instrumental music. It was a soundtrack to the animated cartoon. Let It Be was actually recorded before Abbey Road. So, we are talking about a two year gap between the recording of The White Album and Abbey Road.
Love Martin!!
I love this show, and this is another great episode. Not one of my favoites, but I do appreciate The Clash, and I quite like London Calling. I love The Who, and although there are some good songs The Who By Numbers is not my favorite. I love The Stones too, but they have had their ups, and downs. I really like It's Only Rock-N-Roll, and Black and Blue is pretty good too. Todd Rundgren is a good choice. Thanks guys.
Here are some doubles
Cream - wheels of fire + goodbye
Jimi Hendrix- electric ladyland + band of gypsys
Jethro tull - living in the past + a passion play
The sweet - strung up + give us a wink
Peter frampton- frampton comes alive + im in you
Led zeppelin- the song remains the same + in through the out door
Kiss - alive + destroyer
Alive 2 + dynasty
Status quo- alive + rockin all over the world
Motorhead- no remorse + orgasmatron
Iron maiden - live after death + somewhere in time
Helluva podcast. Much thanks Pete and Martin👍
Agree with you pete on trick of the tail album an underated album from that period its a perfect one and the followin one after too...
Prince’s Emancipation (and Crystal Ball, unreleased but paired down to a double for Sign o The Times), is a triple album, and a very good one at that.
Thanks for sharing the great insights on Mutt Lange from Steve Broughton, Martin!
Great episode. Consider this, talk about Band's Double albums that actually worked and were great. Thanks.
Hendrix, from the lush double Electric Ladyland to the raw Band of Gypsies; ELO’s double Out of the Blue to the dance pop Discovery,; and Dylan’s double Blonde on Blonde to the sparse John Wesley Harding.
Thank you Pete thank you Martin
The first concert that Genesis played with Phil as the singer was in London , Ontario . I remember reading that they wanted to have him start the tour in an area that looked very favourably towards the band ( which Ontario did ) . I was at the second concert that he sang at , which was in Toronto's Maple Leaf Gardens . It was clear that he was going over very well , and having the second drummer , in this case it was Bill Bruford , added an interesting element to the show . Fortunately , I also happened to attend the Lamb Lies Down concert with Peter a couple of years before that , which was fantastic . The shows were quite different , but both were wonderful . Cheers !
Great show. My favorite double albums are: London Calling, Exile on Main street, lamb lies down, physical Grafitti, The River and The White Album. As for follow ups, I'm not a big fan of Sandinista and Nebraska and Presence. I love Goat's Head, Trick of the Tail, and Abbey Road.
I’m with you Pete. I love the title track of London calling. The album cover is iconic and one of my favourite album covers ever. But I cannot get into the Clash either…..I’ve tried. I’ve tried as early back as 1982….all the punk guys I’ve known throughout the years loved them and I tried again…..the Clash to me are like George Constanza after his shower at the gym…….” Yeah it didn’t take “ cool show……some funny comments on this one…..🤟
Johnny Winter has an album that was 3 sides. Side 4 was blank.
Have to thank Pete for giving me that push that finally got me to check out Priest’s Nostradamus. I downloaded it. To my surprise I really liked it. Really like the guitar work. There are things I don’t like, like the vocals. Yet I’m fine with the short comings. As I listened I imagined if this was done differently, if that was done like whatever... perfect. I like the album so much I’m thinking of getting a physical copy of it. For me, this is the only Judas Priest album I really need to have. Pete shakes his head and says, “go figure.” This is more the kind of Metal I want to hear. It’s not perfect, but there’s enough there that it can engage my mind.
Funny Martin mentioned going into Sam's to grab the last of the vinyl. I worked next door at A&A's, and I remember the fateful day when we were asked to pack up the vinyl section.
I asked if we should put them in the boxes in alphabetic order, and the manager said just throw them in the boxes. A sad day.
The Final Cut really speaks to me, probably because it is so morose and unhappy. I love it. And yes, I agree, it's pretty much a Waters solo album.
The Endless River has more to do with the Metallic Spheres album that Gilmour did with The Orb than a Floyd album in my opinion.
22:47....Triple Studio album: Prince, "Emancipation".
I can still listen to The Clash London Calling nowadays, but I could not listen to anything from Yes ever again, and I was a huge fan way back.
London Calling cover = paying homage to Elvis Presley first album cover, check it out.
great show as usual guys! love it, love it, love it
I’m not a big fan of studio double albums, but the one that springs to mind is ELO Out of The Blue, followed by Discovery. OOTB is their apex IMO, full of strings & very grand. Discovery is more stripped down & influenced by disco. A hang over? Probably not but very different.
With Pete on Goat's Head Soup - never understood the flak at all, full of great songs. The Clash and Sandinista? Absolutely love all 6 sides of it, unique in sound too. Just wish they'd followed it with a quadruple though, would have been hilarious, they had it in them too. Yes and Tales From Topographic Oceans - 4 tracks, 1 on each side - just love that, how prog can you get? and it's full of beautiful passages.
Thanks for clarifying the Beatles situation, Martin. All is forgiven but I'm still not sure whether you or I misunderstood the concept of last week's topic - I had read it as 'only one album that you liked and the rest were average/poor' but you seem to have interpreted it as 'one album that towers above the rest in my opinion' As four Beatles' albums get 10/10, in my opinion, and the rest get between 7 and 9/10, I can understand the mini-furore that your choice caused. Anyway, I might comment on this week's topic when I've heard the rest of the video.
Tales from Topographic Oceans is a really difficult listen. I rarely go back to that one. Relayer is my favorite Yes album.
Regarding Merallica, Justice, Metallica and Load were all double albums (on vinyl in the UK).
Load ,and Reload so underated,Fuel,King Nothing,Hero of The Day, 🏠 that Jack Built,2/4,
Zappa's Joe's Garage is kind of a triple album. Originally released as a single and a double shortly after, but then quickly repackaged. Lather is a quadruple album but a good chunk of it is live.
Azra release 8 albums in one year.
Iron Maiden - The Book of Souls
Iron Maiden - Senjutsu
Prince - Crystal Ball
Prince - LOtUSFLOW3R
Tom Waits - Orphans: Brawlers, Bawlers & Bastards
I can't get exile by the stones I've listened time and time again and always end up scratching my head
There's a bit of amnesia when it comes to Exile. I remember it wasn't received well at the time. It took a couple of years for people to begin to rate it up there with their best. But I never warmed up to it either. It's very much like their concerts. . .pretty one-dimensional sound all the way through.
actually, the black album was released as a double vinyl at the time :)
'Trick of the Tail' is right up there with the Gabriel-era albums. I prefer 'The Lamb" but also dig 'Trick' a lot. I missed Gabriel's deeper vocal delivery though. Cheers.
Love the Abominog shirt Pete 😁
Yes Pete . I was going to mention All Things Must Pass . It's all in the studio and the third album is jam sessions . Great guitar , Clapton , Harrison and who ever was hanging around and drumming from Jim Gordon and Ginger Baker , they don't make records like that anymore .
It was technically a double album with a free 3rd disc of the Apple Jams.
One listen to the last song, "Lochness" on Angel of Retribution and you know which direction they are heading going forward and sure enough, 4 years later, out comes Nostradamus.
These shows are f@#$ing GREAT!
Your discussion about Todd takes me back to your Epic Length Songs That Suck video, and that even after A Wizard A True Star, he decided to keep getting weirder over the next couple of years, which eventually culminated with A Treatise On Cosmic Fire on the Initiation album. It's almost like with each album after Something/Anything, he was taking steps to try and scare off all his mainstream followers. If none of them were turned off by A Wizard A True Star, he then hoped he could scare them off with the Todd album, and if that wasn't successful in scaring them off, he hoped that the first Utopia album would do just that, and if they somehow weren't turned off by that album's weirdness, he then put out Initiation to make sure he finished them for good. I personally think he was just testing his fans' loyalty, because after Initiation, he gradually went back to putting out more radio friendly material again, like Hermit Of Mink Hollow and all the later Utopia albums.
I really love the 1974 Todd album, also a double album it seems massively underrated to me.
@@reclaimerReclaimer Todd was actually intended to be a single vinyl album. It is in fact the same length as Initiation which came out as a single vinyl release the following year. When CDs came about however, Todd was finally issued as a single disc release as it originally should have been.
@@peterjames8039 Yes, originally though it is a 2-LP.
Love the show. "Have one on Me" by Joanna Newsome was a triple album. I believe "Emancipation" by Prince was as well.
I disagree with Martin. The "low point" of "The Stones entire career" isn't Goats Head Soup (1973). I think the low point is Undercover (1983) and Dirty Work.(1986).
Quadrophenia is one of my all time favorite albums.
Your videos and great discussions always make my day
👍The Clash👍thanx Martin....
If my memory serves me. The Incredible String Band double Album U (1970) followed their somewhat ambitious 1970 single album. I Looked Up. It would be a new musical direction reviewed in their next studio album, Liquid Acrobat. from 1971. Their best work, was No Ruinous Feud. (1973). and I would bet that fewer than a handful will know what the heck I am talking about. lol.
You are not in the minority, Martin. I love "Black and Blue". "Hand of Fate" and "Memory Motel" are masterpieces on that album!
Favorite show of the week dudes !
I never knew ...And Justice For All was a double until I bought it on vinyl a month ago. Back when it was released, it was on ONE Tape and ONE CD.
Talk about a contrarian,Martin,my buddy is a true contrarian.He swears Nostrodamus is a masterpiece.He loves it.His favorite ThinLizzy album is Chinatown.Cool shirt,Pete.Great vid as always.Popoff&Pardo are hit.🤘
George Harrison´s first solo album, All Things Must Pass from 1970, is a triple vinyl album, also available as a 2CD. Also, I bought the Black Album when it was brand new in 1991. The vinyl was a double, while the CD was a single release, as was the cassette release. Same thing went for Use Your Illusion I & II, and U2´s Rattle and Hum from three years earlier - single CD but double vinyl. Some bands had that in their contracts, that they wanted the vinyl to have a certain standard of fidelity, meaning bigger grooves, hence double vinyl as opposed to single CD. Nothing wrong with that!
ATMP was technically a double album with a free 3rd disc of the Apple Jams.
22:48 Wikipedia has a list of triple albums though it is admittedly dominated by live albums and compilations. I'm also not sure if a 2 CD/3 LP is considered a triple album (e.g. "Senjutsu", Iron Maiden)? Anyway, one might consider these: "Emancipation" by Prince, "The Fragile" by Nine Inch Nails, "1/2 Gentlemen/Not Beasts" by Half Japanese.
It also must be remembered that the “The Who by Numbers” was released just in the immediate wake of “The Tommy” film. The film put a lot of focus on Roger as a film star and the band were trying to figure out their next move as they had been so focused on the making and release of the “Tommy” film. Also, Keith Moon had moved to LA and was working on a solo album plus causing all sorts of mayhem. Additionally, John had touring and losing money with The Ox band. Finally, the album was recorded when Pete and Roger were duking against each other it out in British music press. It was definitely a fraught/uncertain period for the band and Pete’s lyrics reflect it.
The Beatles used up a lot of material for the White Album, (much of Abbey Road and Let It Be were demoed during the sessions), which got me wondering if at some point they thought it might be their last.
Some bands I'm surprised Martin didn't mention are Hüsker Dü (Zen Arcade is the great double album and New Day Rising is their equally great single album follow-up) and the Minutemen (Double Nickles on the Dime,their double and 3-way Tie (For Last) ,their single follow-up). Also there's Iron Maiden,who followed up a fine double album with another fine double album in recent years,The Book of Souls and Senjutsu.
If you take The Kinks Preservation Act 1 and then Preservation act 2 and 3..which was a double album..then that's a sort of Triple Studio album...kinda.
Hey Martin. You like whatever Beatles album you want to like! You picked a good one anyway
Elton John's masterpiece Goodbye Yellow Brick Road followed by Caribou. Some thought Caribou was a huge let down. I personally liked Caribou.
Exile on Main St is the culmination of the Stones career, specifically from where they started with Beggars Banquet. With Banquet through Sticky Fingers they did interpretations of American music. With Exile they matured, the influences are there but they don’t sound like interpretations anymore. They are making music equal to those influences. They melded all those influences into something new. A great record, one of the greatest albums of all time. Goats Head Soup is probably the greatest downfall in rock history. The Stones went from Exile to making imitations of their of interpretations. Calculated music, and it goes on to this day.
George Harrison's album "All Things Must Pass" is a triple album. It's still considered his classic. The first two discs are original studio stuff/songs that were rejected for Beatles albums. The third disc includes lengthy jam sessions that are instrumental, one amusing hidden track about John Lennon's 30th birthday, and that's it. The third disc may not be your cup of tea if you don't like bands jamming for extended lengths of time. So there's that.
It was technically a double album with a free 3rd disc of the Apple Jams.
when a band pulls a " Nostradamus" or " the astonishing " do you respect them more or less for doing it? I'm in the more camp.
More- there is nothing wrong with ambition even if a band doesn’t pull it off.
@@jimmycampbell78 absolutely 💯
I saw Priest here in the UK promoting Nostradamus. I travelled to Manchester to see them, only to find out the gig had been moved last minute to a smaller venue. We got there just in time. They played a lot of Nostradamus, but what I remember the most was how bad Rob Halford was, seemed utterly disinterested. I quite like Nostradamus, if Spinal Tap made a concept album, they'd have made this.Seriously though it's a nice album, I'm amazed Pete dislikes it.
The thing with Topographic Oceans isn't just the length, but that it kind of lacks focus and a sense of direction, whereas Relayer is equally epic but has a ton of energy and drive.
Justice For All isn't actually a double album -- at least by late-'80s standards, and by Metallica album-length standards. It was released as a double-disc >record< because they pressed it at 45 rpm so as not to compromise sound quality. There would have been issues had they pressed it onto a single vinyl record.
Load and Reload are both way longer, but no one considers them double albums -- in fact, quite the opposite. They're considered a double-album package >together< which means that each one is considered a single half of a double album.
A lot of it was that Justice straddled the cd era but also that Metallica albums had all been long up to that point anyway.
in the slide that shows multiple double albums, what cover is the last one in the second row? I have all the others and can't identify that one.
The Black Album by Metallica is a double album too. I have the original vinyl from 1991.
A lot of cd era albums are double albums since cd's hold more than a single album. Consequently though these are generally less total minutes than the pre-cd true double albums usually with fewer songs per side.
Yes Clash blew their brains out on Sandinista. They impressed with that but you kind of knew it was going to run out of gas. They opened for the Who in Toronto earlier in their career. Very cool band.
Way to go Martin !! THE CLASH are the. Best ,,,, sorry Pete Husker Du ZEN Arcade number two - seen both live in Boston .
Lucky man - no kidding i think i'd swap all the gigs I've seen (about 200) to have seen The Clash.
The weather part was particularly excellent in this episode.
I agree with Pete.I was a teenager when punk happened in 76.I loved the Pistols,Damned,Jam,Ramones,etc but couldn’t take to the Clash.I now have London Calling and Sandinista on cd replacing my long lost vinyl copies.I still don’t get it.The first lp is worse.Give ‘em Enough Rope is ok.
Listening to Martin talk about Metallica in transition from AJFA double album to the Black Album….It made me think a couple of things:
First is how much different would things have been had Cliff never been in that fateful bus accident? It is undeniable the band felt they went as far as they could go musically with that style with Justice based on interview and material they put out. Still, I wonder if the same conclusion would have been made had Cliff never passed? It just seemed that the more progressive metal side of Metallica was something that was evolving from RTL to MOP after Cliff got more involved in the songwriting.
Second and something Pete said, The Black Album did signify them as ending being a thrash band. I think the closest thrash song they did on the Black Album was Wherever I may roam. It was clear it was going to have a more commercial vibe. This was the direction Lars wanted to take the band and if that is what the band wanted to do.
I am one of those people that really did not care for this change, not so much because they were more commercial, but music became so predictable. It is a very good album but it really has not aged well at all like much of what they made after it. Okay my rant is done /rant off :)
How about doing best "rarities albums"? The one that contains outtakes, singles, unreleased, etcetera. Like the following albums:
The Who - Odds and Sods
Nirvana - Incesticide
REM - Dead Letter Office
Def Leppard - Retro Active
Metallica - Garage Inc.
and many many more.
A recent triple studio album is Ritchie Kotzen’s 50 for 50. Triple CD but not sure how it would translate to vinyl in terms of length.
How is It possible to forget "Songs in the Key of life" by Steve Wonder ?
Metallica's black album is in my definition of heavy. Definitely the most sonically sounding heaviest of Metallica's album it sounds great and i dont understand some of the hate it gets its a great album.
top 3 metallica album