@@munchies982it's about 1/8192 shiny odds. Assuming that means every 8192 encounters you get a single shiny, that's 8192*25, or 204k. So a little more greedy than Diablo, but at that point, who cares.
pokemon go says hello. a raid costs 1dollar and a legendary pokemon has like 1/20 chance of being shiny there are other chances involved with different pokemon but the game doesn't tell you at all. while not as worse as this pile of crap its still pay to 'win' where winning at a pokemon game is subjective. getting a chance to encounter a pokemon because you paid money to me is pay to win
This is designed to create and encourage gambling addiction. This is why your phone is the recommended platform. Your brain not only gets a dopamine rush from the successes but learns (via distorted addiction) to also get a rush from the failures -- it's called "chasing losses". There are literal teams of ppl who 'think tank' every minute detail of these phone games out; from the psychology of it, to the timing and the pace, to the way features in the game look sound and act as a stimulus, etc.. I guarantee you this game is 100% without a doubt intentionally designed to make gambling addicts, encourage gambling addiction and bleed you (or parents) dry. "Diablo" is a fitting name bc this is next level evil and it's accessible for and in fact targets children.
Its made to soak money from rich Asians. United States is not even close to the target audiance (or the Anglosphere for instance). Its made to soak whales from Korea China and Japan where phone gaming is their way of life
@@BlinddragonsLair yea, but for blizzard/activision the mobile market is sort of new. And they sort of tried money stuff on PC (that community is older, I guess) but people got real angry ;) Same people who booed immortal at blizzcon. Not their target audience, like said. Through wow they figured some people will game all day and keep gaming the more time/resources they spend. A monthly sub was nice, but people with a hole in their hand combined by an app, is better. Still, there's no rule telling you you need optimal gear. It is a bit of a character flaw, to be willing to buy your way to the top (the direct reason why it failed with the old community). At any rate, I booed at the concept from the get-go and don't really care. I've near given up on blizzard. Blizzard north is long gone and the company is basically an investment-vehicle. People want returns from their investment - even when it would bleed the product dry. Biggest problem of capitalism... It doesn't really care about anything but money and phones and the internet created an insane market of directable zombies ;)
I knew someone working on this project and I roasted him about it till we don’t talk anymore. He use to defend it. I wish I could reach out to him now to say told ya so jackass.
I appreciate them. I just hope their fight isn't in vain. Majority of consumers are not bright enough or do not care that they are being exploited and playing games designed around exploiting them instead of being designed to be fun. The companies have proven they are smarter than most consumers and people will happily pay money to get f******.
This is what happens when you let your unfathomably overpaid executives have final word on the cost of things in-game. They have no concept of what a real job pays, so they're like "$50000 to max out your gem slots? Seems reasonable. Ship it."
Nah, they don't care about people maxing out stuff, they care about getting as much money out of them while they try. There's no way they didn't have an entire psychology team to determine how high they can set the estimated price/how low the odds given all the other psychological tricks. I'm guessing the final number was most concerned with the highest spenders - everyone else simply didn't matter enough, the game would trick them into spending anyway, even if they could never reach the max gems.
Thats not how it happens at all. They first identify a target audiance. For Immortals its rich Asian people who do nothing but play phone games all day. They are happy paying this type of money because the status that comes with it is what they value. They feel shame when theyre not the best so they swipe. Immortals wasnt made for average game enjoyers (tm). Its simply a way for blizzard to milk rich people. Nobody in their right mind is gonna swipe thousands of dollars on this reskin game. But remember, there are rich people everywhere that will because they have no concept of the value of a dollar
Using that simulator, I got my first 5/5 star after $700. The second one took $12525. 6 5/5 star gems took a total of $29500. I now feel like I have experienced everything Diablo Immortal has to offer AND didn't spend almost $30k!
I don't think a lot of people realize that these "ultra rare" items in P2W games don't just have an abysmally low drop rate, THEY HAVE NO DROP RATE. In fact, they're handed out based on a completely different algorithm that basically isn't even random. Like the TH-cam algorithm itself, it compares your behavior as a user with the trends of players who are like you, and gives out ultra rares based on how it thinks it will make you a more profitable user, whether that means it thinks you're more likely to spend money in the future, or you have a lot of friends who will be made jealous by your superior items, and so on. That's why when EA was forced to disclose their FIFA loot box rates, their ultra rares were marked as "less than 1%" to disguise the fact that they literally have no concrete number to disclose, because the drop rate is different for every single player.
@@Schmidteren I feel like the game of trying to get 6x 5-star gems in the lowest amount possible is WAY more fun than actually playing Diablo Immortal!
Got one at $650, 2nd at $2250, 3rd at $5550, 4rth at $5750, 5th at $15400 and 6th at $18200, for a total of 5338 1 stars, 1422 2 stars, 381 2/5, 112 3/5, 21 4/5 and 6 5/5. Grand total of 7280 gems. This is entertaining and free, so it is leagues better than Diablo Immoral.
People need to keep in mind that the simulator uses the actual chances in its calculations. There's no way to know if Blizzard implemented special algorithms in their system to diminish or eliminate your chances under certain circumstances. For example maybe they've implemented code that prevents any 5/5 star gems from showing up at all if you haven't spent more than a threshold of money regardless of how lucky you are. There's no way for you to know because their code for the drops isn't audited. They could literally be rigging the drop chances entirely and you wouldn't know.
Very, very likely. In the gacha community there's this thing everybody refers to as the 'desire' sensor, where it's speculated that certain games watch your spending behaviour if you're looking at particular screens in the game to take a guess what it should NOT give you. God help you if you keep looking at a sword/waifu that you contemplated gambling for, for waaay too long.
assuming each roll of the slots was 100% chance to be 5/5 and let us assume you got what you wanted each time...by my count $25x6x10 which totals $1500 and even that would be being overly generous
@@scar445 back then, just did 1 key every weekend as sort of a hat tax on TF2. Eventually got an unusual, a flaming soldier's stash that I traded for a shining ushanka (very aware I traded down, but was in it for my fave class, not the price tag), and guess I was fine with it coz all it cost me was one snack every week. $25? Holy cow, who was this game made for? D:
You know what the worst part is? This is for ONE character. Blizzard explicitly stated you cannot transfer inventory items between characters. Nothing transfers. If you want to have a second character you will have to do it ALL again. You literally dropped an entire tuition payment for ONE character. Not TWO not THREE not ALL. ONE.
imagine the amount of games that you can buy with that kind of money, there is even a steam sale coming up, just the amount of content and gaming time you can have with that amount money, instead some people are wasting it on a game that will be dead in a few weeks, rendering their expenditure complete worthless
Thanks for using my simulator! You guys should check out the new version! I added Legendary Gem Upgrade System, inventory and statistics for acquired Legendary Gems.
Actually had great laugh trying this and roasting Blizzard with my friends. Can't imagine the same joy if we play the actual game. You're doing great work showing people the truth, thanks alot and keep it up!
Thank you. Is there a way to calculate how much it would cost to generate enough shards to do the upgrades to max ranks? This seems to imply you do nothing with the low rank gems, and only keep gambling until it gives you 5-star gems.
thanks to your simulator, I got my first 5 star legendary gem for "only" $1175 USD! thanks for finally giving me the authentic Diablo experience we were all promised! now, I think I'll save that money and use that towards buying a nice mid-range desktop build instead now that GPU prices are finally dropping!
I tried out the Simulator: -The first time it took me $11,375 to get one 5* -The lowest I got was $375 for one 5* -The Highest I got was $28,150 for one 5* -And took $63,725 to fill up the entire slots for one character I could've used that money to get food, buy a tesla, a 98" Sony Crystal HD TV, bought a small house, buy a PS5, and get some Genshin impact characters.
I ran 10 5star gem runs to find out their % chance. It's around 0.008% Cause of my gems the 10 5stars were 0.08 which means they show up 0.008% of the time, cause 0.08/10=0.008 at 25$ a pack it would cost around 250,000$ to get a guaranteed chance of 10. That's 10,000 packs of gems. If I've run that correctly... I'm not too good at math. And their is still a chance of failure, cause it's an RNG system so it's only a soft guarantee I made a spread sheet for it, saved it and called it "Diablo Immoral 5 star gem cost finder.".
With that in mind, I went and kept track of the gems and how much it took to get until the next non-duplicate. $20,750 for the first five.... and didn't hit the sixth until $41,125. I could buy actual real rare gems with $41k.
Keep in mind, this shit has gotten so out of control that a SITTING U. S. SENATOR wishes to know more about this whole fiasco. I am genuinely impressed by how consistently good Blizzard is at fucking things up
Only problem is, that one senator has to go against 99 others, probably at least half of whom are in on the take. _Citizens United._ Remember that name, and remember it well, for it built America's fast track to Hell.
Gamers only have themselves to blame. Loot boxes are only so prevalent cause brainlet gamers have no respect for their money, dropping a dime on half a thought.
You're not the target for this product, the company is already counting on not making any money off you. The target is whales who will spend this money regardless of what the peasants do.
@@JamesBurks Yep. It's a fucking shame, but boycotting is almost impossible to effectively do against these giant corporations that have fingers in so many markets and industries.
@@calebbarnhouse496 Depends on the diamond you're going for... sure industrial diamond dust costs like 50ct/carat - but a several carat single piece diamond... that's a WHOLE other league, take a 2.5 carat diamond and you're already somewhere in the $35k-40k range
@@Hornswroggle no that's what you pay for it, the diamonds actual worth is near nothing, they are very common stones in many places, the supply is just kept low artificially by giant companies that buy them to store them so they can sell some stones for a thousand times the price
the sad thing is this "out of season april fools jokes" or "dont you have phones?" debacles way back then is WAY less damaging than what we actually get the real thing (diablo immoral), at least we can meme those at the beginning.
It's not just Go to Hell, I would have scream louder and give them 2 Middle Fingers and shout, "FUCK YOU, WYATT!" Other people better prepare some fruits & vegetables to throw at them too at the next Blizzcon
"We made 5/5 gems super rare so that when you get one you get that feeling of pride and accomplishment" Blizzard justifying its borrowing of that EA greed
@@SupahTrunks7 I actually never got any dopamine rush while gambling , I go to the slot machines maybe 1 or twice in a year with most being 200$ just to try luck, sometimes I get some , sometimes I lose . But I actually never got any chemical reaction while winnin or losing in them
Imagine creating something worse than any previous lootboxes at a time when lootboxes are seriously being considered as gambling and something that should be banned from gaming. The worst thing about this is when you get lucky in a casino you actually get money. In Diablo Immoral, getting lucky just means you got one piece of gear that's stronger.... it's just horrible.
mmo junky whales who fell for those scammy lootboxy mtx system: ooooohhhhh i feel so powerful after i get +1rank enhancement for my +9999 legendary stat stick! and that's with 0.000something1% chance of success!!!
I think the worst part is once you get the 5 star gem, is it useful for your character? If not... then uh... you still didn't get anything worth keeping
Maybe this egregious design will finally get the politicians off their asses and force them to implement some serious restrictions on gambling in games marketed toward... well anyone, but children especially.
Time to pass laws against this. I can imagine what some 10-year old could do with his parents credit card. I'll pay $60 for a game, but I will NEVER spend a dime in a P2W game.
The companies don't mind. They'll just do F2P games and only force the vanity players to those same prices of thousands of dollars to enjoy the game while the others get to grind 4 years to be best. But wouldn't it be cool with a world where neither vanity nor competitive players have to pay thousands for borrowing digital images from a company?
There are laws being passed. Activision had to revamp Overwatch 2's cosmetics because current Overwatch's lootboxes have been deemed as gambling in multiple countries.
I actually see laws banning P2W being easily passed in the West. Both the gaming public and politicians despise these things (especially for targetting innocent children's developing minds). The only benefactors are the greedy shareholders who get their yachts.
I LOVE how the button says "Waste $25" If we can't ban lootboxes and gambling mechanics entirely, we should at least force companies to put such a label on their buttons.
Would it be better if they took the randomness out and just charged? Maybe a little bit. But they could still make a horrible p2w cash grab without randomness. Look at Star Citizen. They just charge thousands of dollars per ship. No loot boxes.
@@KenjaTimu That's the rule in The Netherlands and Belgium: if you don't want the game to be gambling, the randomness needs to be taken out. Or the RL money needs to be taken out. You can talk to EA about how they feel about that rule;-) That's also the reason Blizzard didn't bother releasing it there. And I don't really mind, I hope the rest of the EU follows soon.
Apparently, they earned $50,000,000 in the first month alone and some say it might be up to $100,000,000 now. So you know what, I don't blame Blizzard. We apparently have an entire generation of degenerate gambling gamers that are turning our games into slot machines and casinos. No sympathy for these players anymore.
The same thing happened with graphic cards . For the last couple fo years prices were OUTRAGEOUS with cards sold well over 2.5 times their msrp (700 € became 1800 €) , but guess what ? Idiots were still buying them.. showing Big Tech that "we" can spend so much more than what was tought before
You seem to not understand the effect these predatory "games" (slot machines essentially) have on kids. I hate mtx and never buy shit from in-game stores but kids are an easy target for manipulation and dirty tricks. Put the blame where it belongs.
Ah yes, let's blame the players and not the company. "If you play Diablo Immortal, you deserve to get scammed by Blizzard for thousands of dollars" is so incredibly short sighted and naive. These games are literally designed by hundreds of people to play on your psyche, to suck out as much money as possible from each individual person. Not everyone follows gaming news or knows that Blizzard is a shitty company with horrible morals at this point, and the artwork is well done and enticing. I don't blame people for downloading what looks like a fun game and then getting sucked down a rabbit hole of addiction. Blizzard is 100% at fault here, and it's actually disgusting that you would imply anything otherwise.
@@Edamori I’m sorry who made the player enter their credit card number? Who made them play the game? I guess there’s no personal responsibility anymore, eh?
"Blizzard should be utterly ashamed." Bruh, if the concept of shame was at all something they're consciously aware of, they sure as shit don't care. Hence why they've been doing this for years, without any gripes.
Really shouldn't blame Blizzard solely. Activision is the one that wanted this and they did it. They are hiding behind the flesh mask of Blizzard. Blizzard is dead. Besides...this kind of BS is what caused EA get into a lot of trouble. Amazing how Activision isn't being sued by literal countries. I mean it is Gambling and a lot of countries have anti-gambling laws. Plus...the government isn't getting their cut of the gambling profit.
The whales who actually spend $40k to get their first 6 5-star gems will try to justify it by saying, "Well it's worth it to me because I'm having fun". Here's the thing: if you asked 100 people, "What would you do if you could spend $40,000 just on having fun?", I'm sure that ALL of them would give a better answer than, "Pour all of it into getting some virtual magic gems in one game".
It’s so much worse than that. All this human suffering going on around us. People literally homeless, starving, living pay check to check, or can’t even afford medical care for themselves or family members and you got a group of rich sociopaths flexing or dropping money for virtual rewards because they are bored. And blizzard places themselves at the head of this human suffering and exploitive food chain. This is not the way!
@@suisui5930 At least those things can be sold for more money down the road, lol. They're both investments and not bought for their artistic value. They're either for laundering money or as part of an investment portfolio. You can't sell a Diablo gem for more money than you spent gambling for it
I would buy gaming PC first, pay all rent, then use it to buy better tools for my art work, the rest is for food and gaming, but I won't play many games cuz I only play games that seems fun to me and at least F2P
yeah it's actually beneficial for Blizz. Some dude spending $16k is probably more than a thousand of regular f2p enjoyers would've spent combined. This is literally rewardng Blizz for being trash.
@@Sawarynk each streamer that does this is costing them all the people who quit the game. While this games are all about getting money from whales. Studies have shown that its the F2P players that get the whale to keep playing.
F2p players are the problem, John? Thats single handedly the dumbest thing anyone has fucking said all week. No, its 100% the dumbass streamers and youtubers. Ppl playing for free dont keep anything going. Im not watching these idiots spend real money. Only other idiots dpending money on it will watch other ppl do something as fucking dumb. Wtf do free to play players care to watch someone pay to win?
These pretty jpegs don't even have blockchain, so not even the cryptobros would want them. Congratulations to Blizz for creating something with less perceived value than NFTs lol
@@I_am_a_cat_ You know what might be cheaper? Find a job as a dev so you can play with the development source code, get tired of it, then quit the job and never spend a dime on the game.
I'd love if the creator of this also added a "Loot-box Exploring Time" stat that just added 5 minutes per roll so you can really see how much time you'd spend having fun opening your lootboxes! Because money isn't the only factor in this system since they tried sidestepping the lootbox label in Immortal.
In Yong's case here, his simulation did a total of 2,228 spins (55,700 dollars divided by 25 dollars per spin). Multiplying that by five gives us a total of 11,140 minutes of lootbox opening, or approximately 186 hours of raw, undiluted game time not accounting for bathroom breaks, sleep, or other activities.
There is the "total gem" number. You can multiply that number by 5 to get a number of minutes and then divide the result by 60 to get the number of hours required.
The game isn't available to download where I live. Thought the government were just partypooping as usual, but after seeing this... Kudos for once standing for what's right! Great video.
There's one huge difference between casino and these P2W mechanics in video games - regulation. Real world slot machines (and real world gambling in general) are extremely heavily regulated and subject to random spot checks, where federal agents will walk into a casino, pick a random machine, and will test it for compliance with specified winning odds. Basically, they are making sure that machines are not designed to never let you win, and that the odds are true. Video game loot boxes are subject to no such things, so there is no guaranteed return on these nor is there anything stopping them from giving you anything of value in return. That's why video game companies are constantly fighting to make sure loot boxes are NOT classified as gambling, so that they don't have to play by the rules.
not even considering as bad it may sound casinos are much better as you can get money or real things like cars from them, in any loot boxes you only get virtual items, and even those virtual items don't last in the nba2k games FIFA and madden ones you lost almost everything you had from the previous one when the new ones come out.
I've recently been watching card counters and they make sure to not give in to "random spot checks". Only get checked by Police Officers and when you first enter, make sure the Police Officer doesn't give out the personal information either. What casinos try doing is recording your information to prevent you from entering other similar places. The information is easily shared on linked databases once recorded. You also need to get checked if you won a certain amount of money for tax reasons so I would check the laws first. I remember seeing a case where a fake officer somehow didn't get taken in by real officers. The context was the fake officer worked under the casino and tried to pressure the card counter into giving away personal information when it wasn't necessary. The real officers for some reason didn't pay the fake officer too much mind for the felony of impersonating an officer.
I design and produce casino slots games, and I resent being compared to Immoral's monetization model. We need to go through so many hoops to get certified and get a game live, it boggles the mind how this 'micro'transaction model is not outright banned.
I know right? In the UK, casino slot games need to have a certain return percentage (RTP, return to player) in the upper 90% to be allowed by the Gambling Commission, and need to have safety options possible to implement (user self-limits and the like), and really, comparing lootboxes to gambling is offensive *to gambling* which. Really says a lot about lootboxes.
I love it. In Argentina, 40k is a pretty decently-sized house (depending on where, might be bigger or smaller). Dudes be charging you a house for a shitty game's equipment gem.
@@bizarrebra They're streamers. They can afford their gambling addiction. You shouldn't follow their example, and you fucking bet those streamer will play any gambling related games anyway in the future. They can do it tho, and whale the shit out of shitty dev games maybe even lick their ass in the process, and then told their audience not to do the same shit. Some influencer they're
for me, it took 314 rolls ($7,850) to get 1 5/5, to get 6, it took 990 rolls ($24,750). i averaged 1 5/5 gem every 165 rolls. honestly, simulating rolls and making a spreadsheet to calculate and examine my results was more fun than the mere thought of playing with surprise mechanics.
Wow. For that money you could just straight up get one of the most powerful gaming pcs in the world, every game on your wishlist, legit copies of super high end software and professional to personally coach you on how to do anything you want, so you could have your career, hobies, and entertainment settled, as well as having so much left over that it'll be decades until you end up with a pc weak enough that you notice stuttering on the best graphics.....
One legendary crest costs 160 eternal orbs. You can buy 60 eternal orbs for $0.99. You need to spend $3 for one legendary crest (getting the $5 for 315 orbs is just 5 orbs shy of two legendary crests). One person won't care if they lose $3 playing a slot machine, just like someone else won't care if they casually drop thousands of dollars on an excessively expensive computer. Personally, I think it's dumb to spend that much for a computer, but who am I to tell you how to spend you're money?
I believe I've heard that Quin intends to compile everything and send it higher up to actual investigators and make enough noise for the big wigs in legislation to actually ban this thing in at least New Zealand. So if that's true, he didn't do it just for a publicity stunt. On top of that, he is sadly on the lower end of the big twitch spenders, which is just straight up ridiculous.
Without proof of that claim he's just another whale with a saviour complex that pretends to 'take one for the team' while knowing they'll make it back through revenue with no regard to the people prone to gambling that covering the game will affect. This game should have been buried and forgotten, but streamers smelt blood in the water.
@@Tarquin47 I mean the proof will be when he sends it off I guess. What other proof could he give for it besides just doing it. Like he’s already recording the shit wouldn’t be that hard to send it off. If he wanted to do what your saying and gain the clout for still doing what he said. Spend cash->make cash-> send it and it actually fucking works-> fat fucking respect bonus. Or It doesn’t work and it’s like fuck I tried still a respect bonus either way
@@theblackoutexplorer2658 i don't get people. This is a win win situation. Streamer gets clout. Their audience sees how bs the games is. They get headlines which gets them more clout and more eyes on this shit.
Guys I did it!! I beat the odds!!! I got a 5 star gem on the simulator and I only had to spend almost 400 bucks for it!!!! So affordable and healthy gameplay loop!!!!
The saddest part is, even without Quinn and other TH-camrs taking the L to show their audience how bad this system is this game is still selling gang-busters and that's just wrong...
(actual programmer) There could be *anything* in that code governing loot generation. Did it take Blizzard over a year to make a standardized call to a random number generator? Noooooo. That work was thrown into 'fine-tuning' the process. The loot generation merely has to *appear* 'random.' If Blizzard wants to artificially hold you back from getting your next gem, then there is nothing stopping them from doing just that.
Ah yes the "they got a 5 star gem last roll lock them out of 5 stars for 300 rolls" and "make sure they get a 2/5 and 3/5 and 4/5every 5-15 spins" to keep the dream fresh.
@@osets2117 Oh it has a pity system. Very technically. Every 50 spins you get a guaranteed "?/5" gem. which means even on that pity spin you have a 1% chance of actually getting a 5-star gem.
Ive always wondered the mental gymnastics it takes for people to say “its free they need to make money!”. So let me get this straight. For 60$ a game is supposed to be a complete experience. But if its free they’re allowed to make infinite money off me? Literally makes no sense, even for free games that gouge you 1% as much as immortal is trying to.
It also depends on the games you're talking about though. Something that may get a handful of updates and then left alone with no servers as a 60 is perfect complete game. But then there are these free games that are intended to be played over a much longer period of time like Warframe or Destiny 2, and there's the issue of server costs. So monetization through cosmetics and extra items aren't terrible as more content will come unlike most 60 dollar games. Sorry if this doesn't make the most sense rushed typing it out due to life.
I got lucky my first time hitting the "calculate the cost" button and got a 5/5 gem at $325. Still waaaay more money than what it's worth, even if that one single gem was all I ever needed to reach the end game.
Oh, by the way, something I forgot: You can't equip duplicates. So getting 6 5/5's doesn't guarantee you that power because *THEY CAN ALL BE THE SAME FUCKING GEM.*
@@DaosVasheer What's amazing is you can accidentally see this early on. Out of...a little masochism I tried to see how far I could get free to play but my phone is a bit of a heat sink for this game for whatever reason so I stopped at level 28 when it was still an okay shrunk down D3. And I noticed immediately from the free rifts I could do that I got duplicate 1 star gems. Boy that poked a hole in their approach because I immediately saw an aspect of the gems not even Joshstrifehayes discussed.
My results on the fake money pit(just went to 10 5/5*s and total wasted threshold for each): -Echoing Shade at $8,375 -Seeping Bile at $12,500 -Bottled Hope at $13,900 -Zwenson's Haunting at $19,100 -Blood-soaked Jade at $20,250 -Blessing of the Worthy at $23,000 -Zwenson's Haunting at $24,200 -Blood-soaked Jade at $25,275 -Zwenson's Haunting at $26,500 -Bottled Hope at $29,150 I'm fairly sure that even the first gem is still more than I've ever spent on games, consoles and computers combined.
1st 5 star I got after $3,100. 2nd one I didn’t get until spending a little over 16K. Stopped the simulator at that point. I love how the single use button says, “Waste $25” lol. I feel like this simulator provided the 1-2mins of fun I would have had playing the game for free, and then allowed me to avoid the p2w end game. Thanks Yong and Simulator Guy!
"Can you really be proud of this?" What a silly question, Yong! The Devs behind Diablo Immortal, naturally, feel an incredible sense of pride and accomplishment.
@@prime_optimus diablo only made around 20 millions past 2 weeks. It is still only a minnow compared to the giant in gacha games like fate grand order. Also if you think that this kind of monetization will work in Japan, it won't. Most people play story driven games here, so people pay for characters not numbers.
@@r3zaful Different models, although I'm suprised they went with Netease for Diablo. Genshin made ~100 in past month but it's more or less one hyper invested game (I know there are more but still very few) company. Same for FGO or priconne or whatever. VS Netease model that pumps out cashgrabs, gets money and closes them down. 20 mil in 2 weeks is a very decent number for pump and dump game
Based on Yong's run in the simulation, I could by myself a car with that amount of money or maybe even the high-spec gaming PC or even better, I could use that money to pay for a house I need. Spend wisely my guy. My worst fear is that they would use Diablo Immortal as a testing board for how they would monetize Diablo IV that will be releasing next year.
A high spec gaming PC costs maybe 2500. And thst assumes you're going alllllllll out. For the cost of outfitting one of these characters, you could buy a *house* in some areas of the U.S.
And people told me I was a paranoid cynic years ago when I said EA was going to ruin the gaming industry with their money grubbing loot box BS and set a dangerous precedence that other developers would follow. The same thing is now happening with larger studios making a ton of DLC all of a sudden for a game that they've never done that before with.
This absolutely needs to be illegal or at the very least held to the same standards as other gambling businesses especially since its targeted towards children. Complete scum bags im proud to say I haven't played a Blizzard game since WoW like 8 years ago and I will never buy another Blizzard game for this and all the other known scumbag activities.
Took a crack at the simulator myself, and my results are as follows. I had Notepad open to log my results, and I decided I would stop when I got 6 different types of Gem, labeling each as to what I think they looked like (helps to track Duplicates). Otherwise, for each roll, I would log the new total US Dollar amount (shortened to USD) spent to get to the new Gem. Also random aside, but I did all that while listening to the Galadril Mines track from the Blackthorne OST on loop just because I found the spinning slot visual of the simulator jived really well with that track's beat. Results: USD to 1 5/5 gem: 17450 USD to 2: 21750 USD to 3: 22875 USD to 4: 30350 (Duplicate: Blue Teardrop) USD to 5: 31575 USD to 6: 34125 (Duplicate: Turquoise Skull) USD to 7: 47125 (Duplicate: Turquoise Skull) USD to 8: 52325 USD to 9: 62950 (Duplicate: Red sphere being eaten) USD to 10: 64625 (Duplicate: Blue Teardrop) USD to 11: 68250 (Duplicate: White Sphere with Gold Circle) USD to 12: 69150 [GOAL REACHED: 6 separate gem types] Gems: White sphere with gold circle: 2 Blue teardrop: 3 Red sphere being eaten: 2 Turquoise Skull: 3 Azure Orb in Squid Hold: 1 Crimson on Demon Head: 1 Gem Count after reaching Goal (as read on the Simulator) 5/5: 12 4/5: 70 3/5: 347 2/5: 1396 2: 5575 1: 20620 Total gems: 27660 Total expenditure: $69150
I found it funny how your efforts for record the results, calculate the money spent and write it on TH-cam comment are much more works than Immortals dev trying to hide its hideous gambling predatory. I don't know what to do, should I laughed at the absurdity or cry for the direction we all headed into...
Just for fun I did some calculations with your numbers to see how long this would take you cause you'll also need to run the actual rift before you get the gems. 27660/10 = 2766 rift runs. let's say doing a run takes 5 minutes and buying more crests for a run takes about 1 minute so 6 minutes per run 2766*6=16.596 minutes 16.596/60=276,6 276,6/24=11 days 12 hours and 36 minutes of continuous play with no breaks to get all the gems you need to fully equip one character.
Their reputation was already smithereens before Immortal, they prob just said "screw it" people already hate us now, then just proceeded to craft this evil software. It's likely their way of milking the fans one more time before they bite the dust.
You should probably mention that at 3 spins, when you got nothing but a few 2 stars and many 1stars, you had already paid more than a normal AAA game. You could have bought many games with that. Good ones. And their DLC, which is just as debatable of a design.
There are also many cheap gems that are really worth their price like terraria or Ravenfield. Or games that are on sale. You can buy so many games for 25 (insert local money currency)
Even when you're just clicking buttons in a simulator the dollar amount feels diminished. It took me a moment to remember that I balk at even spending $10 in a mobile game, and $100 would be ridiculous to me. And even if I had cash to waste I'd still feel terrible throwing it to Blizzard instead of doing something productive with it.
With 100$ you can buy a lot of actual good games to entertain you for a whole year. I bought witcher 3 goty edition for 9,99$ and played it for 250hours. Heck you can play LOL dota2 without the need of paying a single dollar for it. Blizzard is looking at people seeing money bags.
i only buy games on a sale, i like getting my maximum amount of value out of my money, and this lootbox thing to me looks like the equivalent of burning money on a fireplace.
@Li F I'm against buying items in a game, period... Mostly because of how they always go about it. Weaponizing psychology in every aspect of our lives is turning us into neurotic nutcases
It always blew me away how numeric values in games codes have litterally obtained an artificial value, and have made companies probably close to a trillion dollars
Less than 1% of the player base makes up over 99% of the revenue because they are psychologically unable to stop themselves. Casinos have strict laws in place to make sure these people are not exploited for all they're worth, but games get away with it because lawmakers either don't know about it, don't care, or are in their pockets.
you know, I have one simple request. And that is to have sharks with frigging laser beams attached to their heads! Now, evidently my cycloptic colleague informs me that, that can't be done! Now, can you remind me what I pay your people for? Honestly, throw me a bone here. What do we have?
That's the part I find funny. Being a whale with $50k isn't enough, you ALSO need to spend a significant amount of time doing the rifts. Up until Diablo Immoral the narrative was that paid purchases were for people who had money but didn't have the time to grind in games, now they need both.
@@Notivarg I'd wager to bet that some1 with that money could just pay a farm abroad where it costs like $30 a day max, so that's not an issue. Still it'll take time to be ready.
I got "lucky", getting a 5/5 at 3000 and something....The equivalent to my country's annual minimum wage What's most appalling is how bad this is compared to known predatory gacha games. I play (f2p) Fate/Grand Order, and a whale's bad day usually comes when they spend like 200 bucks to roll a character, which is already really bad. And that's rolling for a character that has unique stats, classes, combos, etc; meanwhile a diablo immortal player has to fork out tens of thousands for what''s essentially a smithing stone from elden ring
@@temporal_paradox I'm kind of thinking this comment might be a joke, the more I look at it and similar replies. If not, then... are you alright over there, Dog? Because this is not the behavior of the mentally sound.
Funny thing is, my dad took me and my sister to a casino to waste $20 on the slots. We actually made a profit of $200, but we saw a bunch of people with dead eyes and ashtrays full of cigarette butts. So the lesson was taught, but not how he expected.
Just stop playing video games. These greedy companies won't quit until they realize the fan base is no longer a zombie horde just begging to be "the best". The best at what? Wasting your real life in exchange for pixel clout? You'll just move to the next game and keep chasing that dopamine hit. Take it from a vanilla wow player back in 2005. Nothing will ever feel the same. But you'll spend countless hours researching, playing, reviewing, and spending. Just to always repeat the cycle.
So, it was almost 1400 rifts, 14k gems dropped and 6 of those were 5/5. That's a 0.04% drop rate, math checks out. That's why gambling regulatory laws MUST be implemented for those games. No wonder Blizz does not want to mess with regulations in Belgium and Netherlands.
Quite literally those numbers are what got everyone and their mothers on the case of Gacha Games when they were blowing up and becoming more widespread. Like seriously, there were court cases and legislature written for them and everything. The fact that Blizzard isn't being dragged to Court by several governments including the US is the reason I've completely lost what remaining faith I had in a lot of things right now.
do you feel like a winner? i mean 100k for full gear is awesome price. and fair. no problem with game as FTP. Problem that you are paing money and dont get what you want? ahahahahaha
No problem here. I have 30k ready for this game when it releases in my country. Remember its diablo, an auction house is bound to arrive and i may be able to resell any legendaries i would have hopefully obtained.
It's this game that has made me fully realize how pointless the 'mechanic' of quality ratings for items really are. Keep in mind everyone, each of these 10 spins also come with a dungeon you have to complete before you even get the rewards.
Yes, it's basically a disguised lootbox. You cannot fail them...there are amoeba living under rocks in swamps that could complete a rift...and even if by some chance you have to quit out or disconnect or whatever, I believe, if it was right what someone was saying, you get the stuff mailed back to you to do it again. They added in that small element of 'gameplay' to circumvent the stigma, and rulings in certain places that have them, against lootboxes.
I took a crack at this and I got my first five-star gem at $15,875 dollars. No game is worth throwing that much of my hard-earned money at. Activision/Blizzard should be ashamed of themselves. Entire livelihoods are being destroyed by this horrendous system. Honestly, I am grateful to the creator of this sim. It literally shows a person how much of their life they're throwing away for the sake of a shiny collection of pixels.
Gambling addictions, and super rich people are more profitable to them in the long run, than making a proper game. They know EXCTLY what they are doing, it's very sad too see. Streamers "making an example" for clicks are part of the problem too.
@@nojuanatall3281 Most, if not all of it, will be tax deductible...as a job expense. Quin also had sizeable audience figures throughout...probably gained a fair few paid subs, especially from Twitch prime members that picked up on the stream, and donations...plus whatever for running ads if he did. I doubt that he'd have come out of it at too much of a loss tbh.
'Streamers "making an example" for clicks are part of the problem too.' - I disagree...in Quin's case, since a) I don't think it's fair to say he was doing it for clicks and b) he has been the one that people have picked up on throughout this mess, when I saw his streams throughout the day he was getting 15-20k viewers pretty much constant throughout, sometimes a little higher....now, some of those people watch full streams, yes, but also people come and go...they watch for a while and leave, others join and do same etc. SO, how many eyes did that reach altogether each stream...and, in total over the course of however many days it was? If it prevented people from trying and spending on the game themselves, and it really should have done, then I think it's pretty well justified.
The people "Proving their point" by giving Blizzard exactly what they want are fools of the highest order. Not only did they get played but they shout it out loud to try and dull the blow. All at our expense.
This. They can talk all the crap they want, but streamers "donating" cash to blizzard (like YY said) are literally just doing exactly what the devs want. Streamers chasing clout/views are the new whales. Blizzard is just laughing their way to the banks on streamers' tears.
I just though about it, and it's not a bad idea tbh. A streamer's income is largely dependent on exposure>views> people's sympathy and all this leading to donations It's a safe bet that this streamer made more money because of the spike of popularity he got.
whats worse is, they found out that once you max out a 5/5 star gem, there's slots for MORE gems that appear and the estimated costs went from 100k~150k to like 550k+ to full power.
I tried this spinner, first time I got lucky, about every 2k it would "give" me a 5/5, the second time after a reload, it shot up to an average of $9k per 5/5. Just goes to show how rigged the systems are to feed gambling addictions, and just how shitty the game is. It also would not at all surprise me if Blizzard put a "limit" on how often you could get 5/5 gems, and how much money you need to spend until you are finally allowed a chance to get a 5/5 gem.
"It also would not at all surprise me if Blizzard put a "limit" on how often you could get 5/5 gems, and how much money you need to spend until you are finally allowed a chance to get a 5/5 gem." And of course they wouldnt tell you that
@@chickenking1753 I miss cheat codes. They made it very clear to everyone that there was nothing special or valuable about game items. Some players should be reminded of that.
I was raised in a state where gambling is legal. One of the first things I learned about casinos is that THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS. Casinos/Game Studios will always stack the odds against you so that they come out on top. The kicker is that game studios never really have to payout winnings. They just give you a virtual item in a game, over which they have absolute control. You winning a little too much? Accuse you of hacking and wipe your character coughBETHESDAcough. Now you gotta start from scratch and pull the slot machine lever all over again.
@@The_Gent No, that happened... a guy spent a bunch of time grinding and got banned because Bethesda just blind fired bans to anyone with decent gear and told them, "Lol can't fix it."
That should be illegal because its so clearly outright theft. If a casino did something similar the law would be on their ass. Boomers running the government think that video games don't need this type of regulation when they clearly do.
I only had to "spend" $475" to get my first 5/5 legendary. Next one didn't happen until after $12,000. Should have stopped when I was ahead, at spending $0.
would it be better if i told you there are over 20 individual resources that you can buy, several battle passes, limited time edition deals, oh and only people who pay for the shop crests can actually sell their gems on the market. the shop crests and free crests are designed to look almost exactly the same with a slightly different shade of purple. lots of other things as well
We haven't had this much cover on other games also all of this is thx to pc players dumb mobile gotchas dont have pc players therefore there might be even worse ones we don't know
I’ve played many gacha games and Diablo immortal has the worst odds I have ever seen by miles. Even the worst gacha games have some level of pity or some method to the madness. This is honestly evil.
@@Impurity41 yea, there is a pity system, they guarantee you a 5 star gem every 50 runs. Not a 5/5 though, just a bit of a reward, just to keep you hooked. Sad, the game itself is kinda fun, I think I would gladly spend 15 bucks a month on a battlepass if cash shop was cosmetics only. Think of Hearhstone BG monetisation system. Guess that's a PC player perspective, we are just not their target audience. Asian release is on the horizon, I wonder how it does there.
Damn, I heard the news about diablo but I never realized it was this bad. How is this even legal? Just because they title it "chance" or "lottery" this is a video game not a God damn casino. I swear companies are "weaponizing" gambling for their own gain and ruining games in general
I find it funny how rolling for the first gem cost you just over half of your total expenditure for all six. It's like they rig it after your first 5/5 so you wanna go _just_ that little bit farther for each subsequent one.
I wouldn’t phrase it as “it cost $25k” to get a five star gem. This is simply a company seeing how much money they can get out of people. It’s not even gambling it’s blatant robbery
Extortion is what it is m8. It's basically ransomware fraud but yeah yknow. Do you have any idea how much money these companies owe the general public in damages?
The saddest part of all of this is that some dumbass, whether it be an "influencer making a point" or some rich idiot with more money than sense, has to actually spend the money to make this profitable...and no one is twisting their arms to spend this money, they are doing it of their own free will. That is the most sad and scary part of all of this.
I was able to get 6 gems in only 20k. I got so lucky that I only had to trade my entire gaming library and 30 PS5s for a partially leveled character in a mobile game.
I gave it a shot on my end too: First gem took me $10,075. I got six of them with $32,925, but I noticed that at least one of those was a duplicate. So I rounded off my spins and I'll say I theoretically spent $34,425 to fill out my team. Which is higher than my current student loan debt. I'll say this for the simulator: it's educational, and ironically more fun than I can imagine Diablo Immortal actually is. Edit: I came back to play again while keeping a closer eye on duplicates :O this time around it took me $41,000 even to fill out my team!
Love how the simulator says "waste" $25. It cost me $9850 for my first 5/5 gem. That's more than I've spent on video games my entire life. Content-wise I'll be generous and say it would take me 5 minutes per run, that's 394 runs clocking in at almost 33 hours. 33 hours of brain dead content for a single top tier gem at the low low cost of 10 grand, not bad for a free mobile game. My pc only cost 2 grand lol. Conversely I've gotten 262 hours of excellent content from Elden Ring at the modest price of $60. Funny how that works.
But it's +800% extra value !! But yeah, this monetization is absolutely ridiculous. My 6x max gem result was around ~25.000$. You could buy a house and pretty big yard with that money from where I'm living, for crying out loud !
Did the simulator, got my first 5/5 at $725, first 6 unique 5/5s at $12675. Pretty damn lucky comparatively. Then it took me $77475 to have a copy of each of the 9 gems at 5/5 and $96100 to get 6 to rank 10. If I had the money to spend on that, I'm sure I'd totally feel the pride and accomplishment
I tried the Rift simulator. I got EXTREMELY lucky and "only" had to spend 5500USD to get a 5/5 gem. this game was made solely for the purpose of ripping people off for every single dollar possible. edit: after running it some more, I got extremely lucky and got off with the low low price of 24375 USD to get all 6 5/5 gems. this cannot be defended. it is the most shameless cashgrab to ever be invented. and let's all remember, items are bound to the character. not the user.
And also keep in mind, you also need to rank up the gems, which needs duplicates of that gem and other gems which also need to rank up on their own, then awaken it, then put another gem on it that also needs ranking up That statement people talked about that you need $100,000 to max out a character is a serious understatement, and is all for ONE character Blizzard just had the worst fall from grace ever in video game history. Used to be beloved by everyone, now corrupt to the very core
when you consider that you could just code these same systems without tying it to actual money for the same gambler rush minus the gambler's harm it becomes even more disgusting.
The thing is that Diablo 3, Path of Exile, Borderlands, and similar basically all do this already! All that Immortal does is make it cost real money to pull the lever. (And at least in Borderlands you can just edit your save file to get exactly the prefixes you need.)
@@judyh3707 or any number of PC casino games before they all became monetized hell. You can sometimes find them in the bargain bin at Staples or Walmart.
I tried the simulator, $11,325 for six 5* gems. Assuming perfect RNG, and I x10 that result, that's $113,250. Not only is that more than the cost of my entire spenditure on video games throughout my 30+ years of life. With that amount of money, I could pay off my school loan and buy a car straight up, with some money over for my mortgage. Absolute insanity.
tried the sim, 28k for 6 5/5 gems, and i know for a fact that at least 3-4 of them is useless for most if not all meta builds without even having ever played the game. and that is indeeda very important factor to consider, whatever or not that gem you get is actually the one you need for your build or if it's useless for you, this makes the estimation of 100k to actually be rather low, and the recent 500k estimation for the very top max gear to also feel a bit on the lower end. for example, the freedom and devotion gem, its entirely useless for anyone who's not running a summoner build as that gem give bonus to summons, and defiant soul is useless if you dont run a block build as that gem gives bonus to blocking, so im thinking that 100k-500k estimation feels more like a best case scenario estimation. oh, and those 28k usd is equivalent to about 2 and a 1/4 years worth of income for me.
Extra props for the person behind this sim for literally calling the option "waste $25".
wow you people have no idea what normal is supposed to look like anymore do you
Got 2x 5 star gem after washing $2k on the simulator, I think this simulator is too generous.
@@andrewwoods2557 I got my first 5 star gem on the $500 mark.
Edit: I just got my second 5 star gem after $9125
Got my first one at $10k
Best part is the "Waste $25" button also has "+800% Value" next to it lol
This sim sounds more fun than the actual game. And more honest.
That's cuz it's made out of passion from a fan, even if it is also made from spite.
Well, it's F2P.
@@IshCaudron and f2w
"cheaper" too!
And Blizzard doesn't get a dime from it.
Imagine spending 25 bucks every time you encounter a wild pokemon while shiny-hunting.
As a Pokémon fan, this almost gave me a heart attack….. 😱
Shh! 🤫 Don't give them any ideas.
Wouldn't it be $25 for every 10 encounters while shiny hunting, cuz this rolls 10 games at a time
@@munchies982it's about 1/8192 shiny odds. Assuming that means every 8192 encounters you get a single shiny, that's 8192*25, or 204k. So a little more greedy than Diablo, but at that point, who cares.
pokemon go says hello. a raid costs 1dollar and a legendary pokemon has like 1/20 chance of being shiny there are other chances involved with different pokemon but the game doesn't tell you at all. while not as worse as this pile of crap its still pay to 'win' where winning at a pokemon game is subjective. getting a chance to encounter a pokemon because you paid money to me is pay to win
This is designed to create and encourage gambling addiction. This is why your phone is the recommended platform. Your brain not only gets a dopamine rush from the successes but learns (via distorted addiction) to also get a rush from the failures -- it's called "chasing losses". There are literal teams of ppl who 'think tank' every minute detail of these phone games out; from the psychology of it, to the timing and the pace, to the way features in the game look sound and act as a stimulus, etc.. I guarantee you this game is 100% without a doubt intentionally designed to make gambling addicts, encourage gambling addiction and bleed you (or parents) dry. "Diablo" is a fitting name bc this is next level evil and it's accessible for and in fact targets children.
There is also the fact that mobile gaming has a wider audience than PC and console combined
Its made to soak money from rich Asians. United States is not even close to the target audiance (or the Anglosphere for instance). Its made to soak whales from Korea China and Japan where phone gaming is their way of life
@@BlinddragonsLair And you take your phone with you everywhere.
@@BlinddragonsLair yea, but for blizzard/activision the mobile market is sort of new. And they sort of tried money stuff on PC (that community is older, I guess) but people got real angry ;)
Same people who booed immortal at blizzcon. Not their target audience, like said. Through wow they figured some people will game all day and keep gaming the more time/resources they spend. A monthly sub was nice, but people with a hole in their hand combined by an app, is better. Still, there's no rule telling you you need optimal gear. It is a bit of a character flaw, to be willing to buy your way to the top (the direct reason why it failed with the old community). At any rate, I booed at the concept from the get-go and don't really care. I've near given up on blizzard. Blizzard north is long gone and the company is basically an investment-vehicle. People want returns from their investment - even when it would bleed the product dry. Biggest problem of capitalism... It doesn't really care about anything but money and phones and the internet created an insane market of directable zombies ;)
From the Diablo Twitter,
"Evil is everywhere"
The fact this game's description on their twitter is "Evil is Everywhere" is really starting to take on a new meaning outside diablo's story.
A true immersive experience
CircleToons said it best, "the great evil is here, and you gave it your debit card..."
The person who's came up with that slogan was truly a cynic, or self-awarewolf.
@@piotr7805 I like "self awarewolf" lol
A devil this time no longer wants souls, now they're after players' wallets.
They had the balls to present this on stage and acted surprised when no one was hyped.
He shoulda said “dont you have credit cards?”
@@piouswhale "Dont you guys have 100k$ ?"
I knew someone working on this project and I roasted him about it till we don’t talk anymore. He use to defend it. I wish I could reach out to him now to say told ya so jackass.
What’s weird is tho people still spend this money on the game
@@TheMarc477 because there are people out there who are either suckers or really think 100k$ is pocket change.
Honestly the amount of effort and dedication people have on their quest prove how shitty this games loot boxes are is quite admirable.
The people spending money don't care and neither do Blizzard.
i guess but like he still gave them a bunch of money
The shittiest thing about this, is Diablo 4 will break record sales and still have this type of shit in it
@@Zxoshi if it stops at least 2-3 whales then blizzard is losing much more than that
I appreciate them. I just hope their fight isn't in vain. Majority of consumers are not bright enough or do not care that they are being exploited and playing games designed around exploiting them instead of being designed to be fun. The companies have proven they are smarter than most consumers and people will happily pay money to get f******.
This is what happens when you let your unfathomably overpaid executives have final word on the cost of things in-game. They have no concept of what a real job pays, so they're like "$50000 to max out your gem slots? Seems reasonable. Ship it."
Nah, they don't care about people maxing out stuff, they care about getting as much money out of them while they try. There's no way they didn't have an entire psychology team to determine how high they can set the estimated price/how low the odds given all the other psychological tricks. I'm guessing the final number was most concerned with the highest spenders - everyone else simply didn't matter enough, the game would trick them into spending anyway, even if they could never reach the max gems.
Its all for the streamers because they are really fucking stupid and spending money like its nothing to usless things
Thats not how it happens at all. They first identify a target audiance. For Immortals its rich Asian people who do nothing but play phone games all day. They are happy paying this type of money because the status that comes with it is what they value. They feel shame when theyre not the best so they swipe. Immortals wasnt made for average game enjoyers (tm). Its simply a way for blizzard to milk rich people. Nobody in their right mind is gonna swipe thousands of dollars on this reskin game. But remember, there are rich people everywhere that will because they have no concept of the value of a dollar
"It's a banana, Michael, how much can it cost? $10?"
@@piouswhale Yeah, when i see games like Diablo Immoral i knew that the target market is those Gacha addicted Chinese / Japanese whales
Using that simulator, I got my first 5/5 star after $700. The second one took $12525. 6 5/5 star gems took a total of $29500. I now feel like I have experienced everything Diablo Immortal has to offer AND didn't spend almost $30k!
I just tried. Got all 6 with only spending a little over half what you did. :D One point I got two within 150 dollars!
@@Schmidteren Please buy a lottery ticket today. You'll thank me later with that kind of luck.
I don't think a lot of people realize that these "ultra rare" items in P2W games don't just have an abysmally low drop rate, THEY HAVE NO DROP RATE. In fact, they're handed out based on a completely different algorithm that basically isn't even random. Like the TH-cam algorithm itself, it compares your behavior as a user with the trends of players who are like you, and gives out ultra rares based on how it thinks it will make you a more profitable user, whether that means it thinks you're more likely to spend money in the future, or you have a lot of friends who will be made jealous by your superior items, and so on.
That's why when EA was forced to disclose their FIFA loot box rates, their ultra rares were marked as "less than 1%" to disguise the fact that they literally have no concrete number to disclose, because the drop rate is different for every single player.
@@Schmidteren I feel like the game of trying to get 6x 5-star gems in the lowest amount possible is WAY more fun than actually playing Diablo Immortal!
Got one at $650, 2nd at $2250, 3rd at $5550, 4rth at $5750, 5th at $15400 and 6th at $18200, for a total of 5338 1 stars, 1422 2 stars, 381 2/5, 112 3/5, 21 4/5 and 6 5/5. Grand total of 7280 gems. This is entertaining and free, so it is leagues better than Diablo Immoral.
People need to keep in mind that the simulator uses the actual chances in its calculations. There's no way to know if Blizzard implemented special algorithms in their system to diminish or eliminate your chances under certain circumstances. For example maybe they've implemented code that prevents any 5/5 star gems from showing up at all if you haven't spent more than a threshold of money regardless of how lucky you are. There's no way for you to know because their code for the drops isn't audited. They could literally be rigging the drop chances entirely and you wouldn't know.
looks like you are going to be proven right
I know a complete free to play player who got a 5/5 star bottled hope legendary gem from the free legendary crests he got.
@@FODOR00 that guy should play the lottery for reals lol
Laws in Japan at least mandates the posting of the worst case odd, so you know the worst case chance.
Very, very likely.
In the gacha community there's this thing everybody refers to as the 'desire' sensor, where it's speculated that certain games watch your spending behaviour if you're looking at particular screens in the game to take a guess what it should NOT give you.
God help you if you keep looking at a sword/waifu that you contemplated gambling for, for waaay too long.
the thing is, even if $25 gave you 10 5/5 star gems 100% of the time, that's still a lot of money for some digital gemstones.
If you need 100 gems then that's still 2500$
Assuning that you always get what you need
assuming each roll of the slots was 100% chance to be 5/5 and let us assume you got what you wanted each time...by my count
$25x6x10
which totals $1500 and even that would be being overly generous
@Li F cosmetics would be fine, TF2 did a great job with their way of doing things.
Ikr?!
@@scar445 back then, just did 1 key every weekend as sort of a hat tax on TF2. Eventually got an unusual, a flaming soldier's stash that I traded for a shining ushanka (very aware I traded down, but was in it for my fave class, not the price tag), and guess I was fine with it coz all it cost me was one snack every week. $25? Holy cow, who was this game made for? D:
You know what the worst part is? This is for ONE character. Blizzard explicitly stated you cannot transfer inventory items between characters. Nothing transfers. If you want to have a second character you will have to do it ALL again.
You literally dropped an entire tuition payment for ONE character. Not TWO not THREE not ALL. ONE.
So in Blizzard's mind, a 5* gem is roughly worth the same amount of money as a cheap car. Insanity.
No in there mind it's completely worthless but they are happy to take your car if you don't want it.
imagine the amount of games that you can buy with that kind of money, there is even a steam sale coming up, just the amount of content and gaming time you can have with that amount money, instead some people are wasting it on a game that will be dead in a few weeks, rendering their expenditure complete worthless
Cheap car is $2000. That gem is worth 10-15 years of cheap cars.
@@Pentti_Hilkuri my thought exactly
The 5 star gem has no value. Period.
Thanks for using my simulator! You guys should check out the new version!
I added Legendary Gem Upgrade System, inventory and statistics for acquired Legendary Gems.
You are doing god's work my friend. Keep fighting the good fight.
thanks for this simulator! Its firee🔥🔥
Actually had great laugh trying this and roasting Blizzard with my friends. Can't imagine the same joy if we play the actual game. You're doing great work showing people the truth, thanks alot and keep it up!
Thank you. Is there a way to calculate how much it would cost to generate enough shards to do the upgrades to max ranks? This seems to imply you do nothing with the low rank gems, and only keep gambling until it gives you 5-star gems.
thanks to your simulator, I got my first 5 star legendary gem for "only" $1175 USD! thanks for finally giving me the authentic Diablo experience we were all promised! now, I think I'll save that money and use that towards buying a nice mid-range desktop build instead now that GPU prices are finally dropping!
As a wise man once asked the developers "Is this an out of season April fools joke?"
"Do you guys not have money?"
"Do your parents have no credit card?"
"do you guys not have phones"
"Do we look like we even care about our loyal fanbase?"
"Don't you guys have souls? Sell it to us and reap the rewards, receive VIP status!"
I tried out the Simulator:
-The first time it took me $11,375 to get one 5*
-The lowest I got was $375 for one 5*
-The Highest I got was $28,150 for one 5*
-And took $63,725 to fill up the entire slots for one character
I could've used that money to get food, buy a tesla, a 98" Sony Crystal HD TV, bought a small house, buy a PS5, and get some Genshin impact characters.
When you say "small house" you mean garage, right? For the Tesla? 🤣
I would spend that on a down payment on a house and a few months of mortgage payments. No need for a new TV or characters on another gacha game lol.
9800k to fill up 6 gems in my try
you lost me at genshin impact characters
I ran 10 5star gem runs to find out their % chance.
It's around 0.008%
Cause of my gems the 10 5stars were 0.08 which means they show up 0.008% of the time, cause 0.08/10=0.008
at 25$ a pack it would cost around 250,000$ to get a guaranteed chance of 10.
That's 10,000 packs of gems.
If I've run that correctly... I'm not too good at math.
And their is still a chance of failure, cause it's an RNG system so it's only a soft guarantee
I made a spread sheet for it, saved it and called it "Diablo Immoral 5 star gem cost finder.".
Fun fact, your 5th 5 star was a duplicate, so you can’t use it! Isn’t that great game design?
its quite ethical and fun
Yup you're correct
that was surely some surprise mechanics right there
With that in mind, I went and kept track of the gems and how much it took to get until the next non-duplicate. $20,750 for the first five.... and didn't hit the sixth until $41,125. I could buy actual real rare gems with $41k.
@@Not_Soundwave exactly why I quit the game
Keep in mind, this shit has gotten so out of control that a SITTING U. S. SENATOR wishes to know more about this whole fiasco. I am genuinely impressed by how consistently good Blizzard is at fucking things up
Only problem is, that one senator has to go against 99 others, probably at least half of whom are in on the take.
_Citizens United._ Remember that name, and remember it well, for it built America's fast track to Hell.
Making them the mother of all omelets
i pray to god that the federal government sue Activision Blizzard for this ponzy scheme lootbox crap for billions of dollars.
That's a nice argument Senator, why don't you back it up with a source?
@@speed3414 my source is that I made it the fuck up
"I got a gem, it only cost $2500 this time!"
"Lucky!"
*This is what companies think of you now*
JUST FAIL TO CONSUME PRODUCT AND GET EXCITED FOR MAYBE CONSUMING PRODUCT!
1750 "only" with my luck i whould install Diablo and try my luck there .
i think i got super lucky and getting around 1600 per gem
I should buy a lottery ticket, $1175 for me. Easy peasy.
Gamers only have themselves to blame. Loot boxes are only so prevalent cause brainlet gamers have no respect for their money, dropping a dime on half a thought.
Boycott the company: Stop paying for their products, be a conscientious responsible consumer.
@Daniel Sauerborn he's been co-opted by Bilderberg Group Money.
“Be a conscientious responsible customer” people in 2022 could never!
You're not the target for this product, the company is already counting on not making any money off you. The target is whales who will spend this money regardless of what the peasants do.
@@JamesBurks Yep. It's a fucking shame, but boycotting is almost impossible to effectively do against these giant corporations that have fingers in so many markets and industries.
@@JamesBurks yes it does, through mouth to word, people left FACEBOOK/META, which has filed for Bankruptcy for example.
I have to say it's not often that we see a fantasy gemstone actually cost as much as a real life diamond.
you can choose, a game gear that will be crap in the next season or you buy a car.
Boy, ain't you ever seen a bitcoin? Those bitches are worth like 300000 normal coins
This is fat more then what a real diamond costs
@@calebbarnhouse496 Depends on the diamond you're going for... sure industrial diamond dust costs like 50ct/carat - but a several carat single piece diamond... that's a WHOLE other league, take a 2.5 carat diamond and you're already somewhere in the $35k-40k range
@@Hornswroggle no that's what you pay for it, the diamonds actual worth is near nothing, they are very common stones in many places, the supply is just kept low artificially by giant companies that buy them to store them so they can sell some stones for a thousand times the price
Blizzard: "Don't you have phones?"
People: Of course we do!
Blizzard: Don't you have $100'000 USD?
People: Go to hell!
Blizzard : We're trying to send you there
the sad thing is this "out of season april fools jokes" or "dont you have phones?" debacles way back then is WAY less damaging than what we actually get the real thing (diablo immoral), at least we can meme those at the beginning.
It's not just Go to Hell, I would have scream louder and give them 2 Middle Fingers and shout, "FUCK YOU, WYATT!"
Other people better prepare some fruits & vegetables to throw at them too at the next Blizzcon
@@arrowghost I'm looking forward to it. 😅
Bang!
Blizzard: Sorry, didn't catch that.
"We made 5/5 gems super rare so that when you get one you get that feeling of pride and accomplishment"
Blizzard justifying its borrowing of that EA greed
Don't tell me they actually said that...FFS...
What f-ing accomplishment? How to waste more money than a car o a whole year worth or food for a few pixels in a shitty mobile game?
@Zack Smith What Microsoft has to do with this? The deal is not even through yet and the game was in development for years.
“That feeling of pride and accomplishment” also known as the rush of dopamine that is linked to gambling addiction
@@SupahTrunks7 I actually never got any dopamine rush while gambling , I go to the slot machines maybe 1 or twice in a year with most being 200$ just to try luck, sometimes I get some , sometimes I lose . But I actually never got any chemical reaction while winnin or losing in them
Ah remember the days when levelling up or making character progress was done with in-game currency
Grinding is also not fun. Modern gaming is cringe
@@MushookieMan so you never played old rpg
@@MushookieMan depends the grind, not all grind is created equal
Pepperidge Farm Remembers.
Imagine creating something worse than any previous lootboxes at a time when lootboxes are seriously being considered as gambling and something that should be banned from gaming.
The worst thing about this is when you get lucky in a casino you actually get money. In Diablo Immoral, getting lucky just means you got one piece of gear that's stronger.... it's just horrible.
mmo junky whales who fell for those scammy lootboxy mtx system: ooooohhhhh i feel so powerful after i get +1rank enhancement for my +9999 legendary stat stick! and that's with 0.000something1% chance of success!!!
Really makes you question your life priorities when you see your peers spending more money you've ever had in your entire life ON A GAME.
I think the worst part is once you get the 5 star gem, is it useful for your character? If not... then uh... you still didn't get anything worth keeping
Basically, you put money in and get an NFT out. This is capitalism run amuck.
Maybe this egregious design will finally get the politicians off their asses and force them to implement some serious restrictions on gambling in games marketed toward... well anyone, but children especially.
Time to pass laws against this. I can imagine what some 10-year old could do with his parents credit card. I'll pay $60 for a game, but I will NEVER spend a dime in a P2W game.
Depending on the pay to win. But this is asinine and should be looked into as gambling.
The companies don't mind. They'll just do F2P games and only force the vanity players to those same prices of thousands of dollars to enjoy the game while the others get to grind 4 years to be best.
But wouldn't it be cool with a world where neither vanity nor competitive players have to pay thousands for borrowing digital images from a company?
There are laws being passed. Activision had to revamp Overwatch 2's cosmetics because current Overwatch's lootboxes have been deemed as gambling in multiple countries.
I actually see laws banning P2W being easily passed in the West. Both the gaming public and politicians despise these things (especially for targetting innocent children's developing minds). The only benefactors are the greedy shareholders who get their yachts.
I don’t even spend 60$ on games anymore, fuck them and their half assed bug riddled messes
I LOVE how the button says "Waste $25"
If we can't ban lootboxes and gambling mechanics entirely, we should at least force companies to put such a label on their buttons.
Can't forget the "800% Extra Value" tag on that button. Too bad 800% of 0 is still 0.
Would it be better if they took the randomness out and just charged? Maybe a little bit. But they could still make a horrible p2w cash grab without randomness. Look at Star Citizen. They just charge thousands of dollars per ship. No loot boxes.
@@KenjaTimu That's the rule in The Netherlands and Belgium: if you don't want the game to be gambling, the randomness needs to be taken out. Or the RL money needs to be taken out. You can talk to EA about how they feel about that rule;-) That's also the reason Blizzard didn't bother releasing it there. And I don't really mind, I hope the rest of the EU follows soon.
@@annekekramer3835 but that wouldn't stop p2w. They just don't care because Netherlands and Belgium are small potatoes.
@@annekekramer3835 I wonder if loosing access to the E.U would hurt their bottom line. You'd think so.
Apparently, they earned $50,000,000 in the first month alone and some say it might be up to $100,000,000 now. So you know what, I don't blame Blizzard. We apparently have an entire generation of degenerate gambling gamers that are turning our games into slot machines and casinos. No sympathy for these players anymore.
The same thing happened with graphic cards . For the last couple fo years prices were OUTRAGEOUS with cards sold well over 2.5 times their msrp (700 € became 1800 €) , but guess what ? Idiots were still buying them.. showing Big Tech that "we" can spend so much more than what was tought before
You seem to not understand the effect these predatory "games" (slot machines essentially) have on kids. I hate mtx and never buy shit from in-game stores but kids are an easy target for manipulation and dirty tricks. Put the blame where it belongs.
Ah yes, let's blame the players and not the company. "If you play Diablo Immortal, you deserve to get scammed by Blizzard for thousands of dollars" is so incredibly short sighted and naive. These games are literally designed by hundreds of people to play on your psyche, to suck out as much money as possible from each individual person. Not everyone follows gaming news or knows that Blizzard is a shitty company with horrible morals at this point, and the artwork is well done and enticing. I don't blame people for downloading what looks like a fun game and then getting sucked down a rabbit hole of addiction. Blizzard is 100% at fault here, and it's actually disgusting that you would imply anything otherwise.
@@Edamori I’m sorry who made the player enter their credit card number? Who made them play the game? I guess there’s no personal responsibility anymore, eh?
@@AMotoVlogger Both of you aren't wrong, the answer lies somewhere in the middle...
"Blizzard should be utterly ashamed."
Bruh, if the concept of shame was at all something they're consciously aware of, they sure as shit don't care. Hence why they've been doing this for years, without any gripes.
We know they're not. But they should be.
They really should be once they found out that a U. S. Senator, of all people, is starting to get involved
Really shouldn't blame Blizzard solely. Activision is the one that wanted this and they did it. They are hiding behind the flesh mask of Blizzard. Blizzard is dead.
Besides...this kind of BS is what caused EA get into a lot of trouble. Amazing how Activision isn't being sued by literal countries. I mean it is Gambling and a lot of countries have anti-gambling laws. Plus...the government isn't getting their cut of the gambling profit.
@@riatorex8722 Lmao, he gonna offer the mother of all Omelets.
@@riatorex8722 who? I hadnt heard that yet...
The whales who actually spend $40k to get their first 6 5-star gems will try to justify it by saying, "Well it's worth it to me because I'm having fun". Here's the thing: if you asked 100 people, "What would you do if you could spend $40,000 just on having fun?", I'm sure that ALL of them would give a better answer than, "Pour all of it into getting some virtual magic gems in one game".
These "rich people" are probably the same people that buy nfts and "modern" painting
It’s so much worse than that. All this human suffering going on around us. People literally homeless, starving, living pay check to check, or can’t even afford medical care for themselves or family members and you got a group of rich sociopaths flexing or dropping money for virtual rewards because they are bored. And blizzard places themselves at the head of this human suffering and exploitive food chain. This is not the way!
@@suisui5930 At least those things can be sold for more money down the road, lol. They're both investments and not bought for their artistic value. They're either for laundering money or as part of an investment portfolio. You can't sell a Diablo gem for more money than you spent gambling for it
give me 40k and I can buy all the games I want including dlc, and then spend the rest on food and electricity.
I would buy gaming PC first, pay all rent, then use it to buy better tools for my art work, the rest is for food and gaming, but I won't play many games cuz I only play games that seems fun to me and at least F2P
This is the way to do it. I'm sick of hearing about streamers who feed tens of thousands of dollars just to "show how bad it is".
yeah it's actually beneficial for Blizz. Some dude spending $16k is probably more than a thousand of regular f2p enjoyers would've spent combined. This is literally rewardng Blizz for being trash.
Because protesting or boycotting really worked in the past 🤡
@@Sawarynk each streamer that does this is costing them all the people who quit the game.
While this games are all about getting money from whales.
Studies have shown that its the F2P players that get the whale to keep playing.
@@830927mjki fair point, however would like to see estimates on whale spends for D Immoral.
F2p players are the problem, John? Thats single handedly the dumbest thing anyone has fucking said all week. No, its 100% the dumbass streamers and youtubers. Ppl playing for free dont keep anything going. Im not watching these idiots spend real money. Only other idiots dpending money on it will watch other ppl do something as fucking dumb. Wtf do free to play players care to watch someone pay to win?
I really hope these simulators keep popping up to show kids how much they’re wasting amid how common loot boxes have become.
For the price of these pretty JPEGs you could just get actual gemstones.
A single 5/5 is almost worth a year of a german low pay grade employee. (single class taxes included).
For the price of maxing out a character i might as well just open a jewelry store
These pretty jpegs don't even have blockchain, so not even the cryptobros would want them. Congratulations to Blizz for creating something with less perceived value than NFTs lol
Imagine spending 1 years worth of Rent for something that doesn't do a thing besides look pretty.
@@gManGabe when even a useless monkey picture is theoretically more valuable than a digital gemstone you know you fucked up something and badly!
Finally, the modding community has cut out all of that silly ARPG bulls*** and left us with unadulterated loot in its purest form.
Not really modding, this is a 3rd party tool but still. Point made, mate
@@I_am_a_cat_ You know what might be cheaper? Find a job as a dev so you can play with the development source code, get tired of it, then quit the job and never spend a dime on the game.
@@maggiejetson7904 Even better, instead of wasting cash on it, you're getting paid to help fuck people over! 💪💪
I mean, this is really the heart of Diablo Immoral's game play so.. yeah, cut out the fat!
@@maggiejetson7904 that might just be crazy enough to be confusing
I'd love if the creator of this also added a "Loot-box Exploring Time" stat that just added 5 minutes per roll so you can really see how much time you'd spend having fun opening your lootboxes! Because money isn't the only factor in this system since they tried sidestepping the lootbox label in Immortal.
In Yong's case here, his simulation did a total of 2,228 spins (55,700 dollars divided by 25 dollars per spin). Multiplying that by five gives us a total of 11,140 minutes of lootbox opening, or approximately 186 hours of raw, undiluted game time not accounting for bathroom breaks, sleep, or other activities.
@@joshualowe618 horrible :( that is pure enslavement
There is the "total gem" number. You can multiply that number by 5 to get a number of minutes and then divide the result by 60 to get the number of hours required.
The game isn't available to download where I live. Thought the government were just partypooping as usual, but after seeing this... Kudos for once standing for what's right! Great video.
There's one huge difference between casino and these P2W mechanics in video games - regulation. Real world slot machines (and real world gambling in general) are extremely heavily regulated and subject to random spot checks, where federal agents will walk into a casino, pick a random machine, and will test it for compliance with specified winning odds. Basically, they are making sure that machines are not designed to never let you win, and that the odds are true.
Video game loot boxes are subject to no such things, so there is no guaranteed return on these nor is there anything stopping them from giving you anything of value in return.
That's why video game companies are constantly fighting to make sure loot boxes are NOT classified as gambling, so that they don't have to play by the rules.
we need matrix fbi agents to do inquisition check on those loot boxy gacha video game companies.
not even considering as bad it may sound casinos are much better as you can get money or real things like cars from them, in any loot boxes you only get virtual items, and even those virtual items don't last in the nba2k games FIFA and madden ones you lost almost everything you had from the previous one when the new ones come out.
I can't wait to see them loose that battle
I've recently been watching card counters and they make sure to not give in to "random spot checks". Only get checked by Police Officers and when you first enter, make sure the Police Officer doesn't give out the personal information either. What casinos try doing is recording your information to prevent you from entering other similar places. The information is easily shared on linked databases once recorded. You also need to get checked if you won a certain amount of money for tax reasons so I would check the laws first.
I remember seeing a case where a fake officer somehow didn't get taken in by real officers. The context was the fake officer worked under the casino and tried to pressure the card counter into giving away personal information when it wasn't necessary. The real officers for some reason didn't pay the fake officer too much mind for the felony of impersonating an officer.
not at indian casinos... there are no spot checks at all and they do not publish the odds of the slot machines either
I design and produce casino slots games, and I resent being compared to Immoral's monetization model.
We need to go through so many hoops to get certified and get a game live, it boggles the mind how this 'micro'transaction model is not outright banned.
I know right? In the UK, casino slot games need to have a certain return percentage (RTP, return to player) in the upper 90% to be allowed by the Gambling Commission, and need to have safety options possible to implement (user self-limits and the like), and really, comparing lootboxes to gambling is offensive *to gambling* which. Really says a lot about lootboxes.
I love it. In Argentina, 40k is a pretty decently-sized house (depending on where, might be bigger or smaller). Dudes be charging you a house for a shitty game's equipment gem.
Similar in the philippines too hahahha
@@bizarrebra he didn’t prove blizzard’s point he showed how bad the monetization system in this game is
@@bizarrebra If the dude has that much money to spend he must not be much of an idiot. But maybe that's just me
Oh you unfortunate soul. Move to Chilli, same house no spending limit.
@@bizarrebra They're streamers. They can afford their gambling addiction. You shouldn't follow their example, and you fucking bet those streamer will play any gambling related games anyway in the future. They can do it tho, and whale the shit out of shitty dev games maybe even lick their ass in the process, and then told their audience not to do the same shit. Some influencer they're
for me, it took 314 rolls ($7,850) to get 1 5/5, to get 6, it took 990 rolls ($24,750). i averaged 1 5/5 gem every 165 rolls.
honestly, simulating rolls and making a spreadsheet to calculate and examine my results was more fun than the mere thought of playing with surprise mechanics.
When simple programming stuff like this actually produce more entertainment than the big ass corporate give you
Wow. For that money you could just straight up get one of the most powerful gaming pcs in the world, every game on your wishlist, legit copies of super high end software and professional to personally coach you on how to do anything you want, so you could have your career, hobies, and entertainment settled, as well as having so much left over that it'll be decades until you end up with a pc weak enough that you notice stuttering on the best graphics.....
Nah man gimme sparkly jpeg
With $40,000 you have a house deposit in Australia. Just saying.
For that money you could pay for a whole-ass brand new vehicle, or put a down payment onto a home purchase lol
@@damienblackmore5318 as an Australian, I FUCKING WISH 😭😭😭
One legendary crest costs 160 eternal orbs. You can buy 60 eternal orbs for $0.99. You need to spend $3 for one legendary crest (getting the $5 for 315 orbs is just 5 orbs shy of two legendary crests). One person won't care if they lose $3 playing a slot machine, just like someone else won't care if they casually drop thousands of dollars on an excessively expensive computer.
Personally, I think it's dumb to spend that much for a computer, but who am I to tell you how to spend you're money?
I believe I've heard that Quin intends to compile everything and send it higher up to actual investigators and make enough noise for the big wigs in legislation to actually ban this thing in at least New Zealand. So if that's true, he didn't do it just for a publicity stunt. On top of that, he is sadly on the lower end of the big twitch spenders, which is just straight up ridiculous.
Without proof of that claim he's just another whale with a saviour complex that pretends to 'take one for the team' while knowing they'll make it back through revenue with no regard to the people prone to gambling that covering the game will affect. This game should have been buried and forgotten, but streamers smelt blood in the water.
I hope he succeeds! And he's been a serious Diablo fan for years, so the fact that even he's disgusted by this game really shows how bad it is.
@@Tarquin47 maybe it will get buried after Asmongold meets with Ted Cruz, they intend to talk about loot boxes. That would be a historic gaming moment
@@Tarquin47 I mean the proof will be when he sends it off I guess. What other proof could he give for it besides just doing it. Like he’s already recording the shit wouldn’t be that hard to send it off. If he wanted to do what your saying and gain the clout for still doing what he said. Spend cash->make cash-> send it and it actually fucking works-> fat fucking respect bonus. Or It doesn’t work and it’s like fuck I tried still a respect bonus either way
@@theblackoutexplorer2658 i don't get people. This is a win win situation. Streamer gets clout. Their audience sees how bs the games is. They get headlines which gets them more clout and more eyes on this shit.
Guys I did it!! I beat the odds!!! I got a 5 star gem on the simulator and I only had to spend almost 400 bucks for it!!!! So affordable and healthy gameplay loop!!!!
400? It took me 10k to get a 5 star in the simulator, you lucky bastard xD
I got $75 on my first try than $1,775 third was $3100
Got mine after 3750 $
First 125$, 2nd 675$ and the 3rd stopped at 6450$ ... didn't press a 4th time because i'm already frustrated.
My first one was at $350
Ah, I remember that time Blizzard said "it's morbin time." and then with a press of a button, they got morbillion dollars.
They making insane profits on this game
The saddest part is, even without Quinn and other TH-camrs taking the L to show their audience how bad this system is this game is still selling gang-busters and that's just wrong...
I mean blizzard did make 42 mil I do believe soo they aren prob celebrating
You really think they would've done those spending spree stunts if it was an L for them overall? So naive.
It's mobile. Honestly, Blizz should have never ported Eternal to PC. Keep mobile trash where it belongs.
ActiBlizzard is relying on the Asian market. Just wait till it booms there, especially in China.
its like Blow...always selling and not good for you
(actual programmer) There could be *anything* in that code governing loot generation. Did it take Blizzard over a year to make a standardized call to a random number generator? Noooooo. That work was thrown into 'fine-tuning' the process. The loot generation merely has to *appear* 'random.' If Blizzard wants to artificially hold you back from getting your next gem, then there is nothing stopping them from doing just that.
Ah yes the "they got a 5 star gem last roll lock them out of 5 stars for 300 rolls" and "make sure they get a 2/5 and 3/5 and 4/5every 5-15 spins" to keep the dream fresh.
@@CatOnACell ...include an 'equipment rating bar' that tells the player they're 'inadequate' until they upgrade their gear.
That's why most games like this have a pity system, of which I'm assuming this game does not
so so the casinos, lol, why you think they steal like they dont care,
@@osets2117 Oh it has a pity system. Very technically. Every 50 spins you get a guaranteed "?/5" gem. which means even on that pity spin you have a 1% chance of actually getting a 5-star gem.
Ive always wondered the mental gymnastics it takes for people to say “its free they need to make money!”. So let me get this straight. For 60$ a game is supposed to be a complete experience. But if its free they’re allowed to make infinite money off me? Literally makes no sense, even for free games that gouge you 1% as much as immortal is trying to.
That I agree with, 60 dollars, complete experience, free equals the worst monetization humanely possible
It also depends on the games you're talking about though. Something that may get a handful of updates and then left alone with no servers as a 60 is perfect complete game. But then there are these free games that are intended to be played over a much longer period of time like Warframe or Destiny 2, and there's the issue of server costs. So monetization through cosmetics and extra items aren't terrible as more content will come unlike most 60 dollar games. Sorry if this doesn't make the most sense rushed typing it out due to life.
Well if end game IS the game. This dude spent 15/16k (US) to buy / play a game.
@@oteedez2019 That's what they want you to think.
Yeah. Somehow, no one makes an ftp game that is capped at 60$, on which point you get the full experience
I got lucky my first time hitting the "calculate the cost" button and got a 5/5 gem at $325. Still waaaay more money than what it's worth, even if that one single gem was all I ever needed to reach the end game.
Took me "3k" for my 1st 5/5 gem in the simulator! Hell, I just uninstalled Diablo Immortal and I am just going to play this simulator!
At least with the simulator you'll get your money's worth out of it.
Yeah well Russia is uninstalling Banderite Nazis in Ukraine.
🇷🇺
took me 7k for my first one
I got one at "975" somehow...
The full 6 was just shy of 20k
took me $6150 in the simulator for the first 5-Star Gem
Oh, by the way, something I forgot: You can't equip duplicates. So getting 6 5/5's doesn't guarantee you that power because *THEY CAN ALL BE THE SAME FUCKING GEM.*
I figured they would make those gems unique. This is how you fleece people into giving you money for nothing.
@@DaosVasheer What's amazing is you can accidentally see this early on.
Out of...a little masochism I tried to see how far I could get free to play but my phone is a bit of a heat sink for this game for whatever reason so I stopped at level 28 when it was still an okay shrunk down D3.
And I noticed immediately from the free rifts I could do that I got duplicate 1 star gems.
Boy that poked a hole in their approach because I immediately saw an aspect of the gems not even Joshstrifehayes discussed.
Honestly, even having to spend $300 to complete a game or get the whole game is absurd. To have to spend hundreds of thousands to do it is madness.
Madness? THIS! IS! BLIZZARD!
lol
To buy all the sims 4 packs is over $800 😬
Most I would spend on any single game is 60$ and even that is rarely done
This is a mental ilness level
My results on the fake money pit(just went to 10 5/5*s and total wasted threshold for each):
-Echoing Shade at $8,375
-Seeping Bile at $12,500
-Bottled Hope at $13,900
-Zwenson's Haunting at $19,100
-Blood-soaked Jade at $20,250
-Blessing of the Worthy at $23,000
-Zwenson's Haunting at $24,200
-Blood-soaked Jade at $25,275
-Zwenson's Haunting at $26,500
-Bottled Hope at $29,150
I'm fairly sure that even the first gem is still more than I've ever spent on games, consoles and computers combined.
1st 5 star I got after $3,100. 2nd one I didn’t get until spending a little over 16K. Stopped the simulator at that point. I love how the single use button says, “Waste $25” lol. I feel like this simulator provided the 1-2mins of fun I would have had playing the game for free, and then allowed me to avoid the p2w end game. Thanks Yong and Simulator Guy!
Well getting even 10 legendary rift (not even eternal) would roughly take 5 months
I got 6 gems just shy from 8k. I guess the simulator may be a tad overgenerous
RNG gods must have been with me, the site threw a 5/5 at me with only $175 spent.. which is still absolutely fucking stupid.
Dude I thought you actually spent that much money for a second there
@@VeXeDZERO if I had that much disposable income I'd be spending it on hookers and drugs, not virtual equivalent of AIDS lol
"Can you really be proud of this?"
What a silly question, Yong! The Devs behind Diablo Immortal, naturally, feel an incredible sense of pride and accomplishment.
in fact they will smile gleefully at their work and even point to how well their revenues are...
Yup. Let's blame the over worked and underpaid devs for this because rich executives can do no wrong.
@@prime_optimus diablo only made around 20 millions past 2 weeks.
It is still only a minnow compared to the giant in gacha games like fate grand order.
Also if you think that this kind of monetization will work in Japan, it won't.
Most people play story driven games here, so people pay for characters not numbers.
@@r3zaful Different models, although I'm suprised they went with Netease for Diablo. Genshin made ~100 in past month but it's more or less one hyper invested game (I know there are more but still very few) company. Same for FGO or priconne or whatever. VS Netease model that pumps out cashgrabs, gets money and closes them down. 20 mil in 2 weeks is a very decent number for pump and dump game
of course they are proud, they made Millions by releasing it a few days ago, EZ money from WHALES and ADDICTS
Based on Yong's run in the simulation, I could by myself a car with that amount of money or maybe even the high-spec gaming PC or even better, I could use that money to pay for a house I need. Spend wisely my guy.
My worst fear is that they would use Diablo Immortal as a testing board for how they would monetize Diablo IV that will be releasing next year.
Dude, you could buy a NASA level PC and still have money left over with the amount simulated.
Thats enough for a sports car on the cheaper end
Then don't buy/play Diablo 4. Easy peasy
A high spec gaming PC costs maybe 2500. And thst assumes you're going alllllllll out. For the cost of outfitting one of these characters, you could buy a *house* in some areas of the U.S.
@@andrewgause6971 bruh, my work PC is like about $5,000. You could buy multiple of these PC’s with the money simulated
And people told me I was a paranoid cynic years ago when I said EA was going to ruin the gaming industry with their money grubbing loot box BS and set a dangerous precedence that other developers would follow. The same thing is now happening with larger studios making a ton of DLC all of a sudden for a game that they've never done that before with.
This absolutely needs to be illegal or at the very least held to the same standards as other gambling businesses especially since its targeted towards children. Complete scum bags im proud to say I haven't played a Blizzard game since WoW like 8 years ago and I will never buy another Blizzard game for this and all the other known scumbag activities.
It’s not targeted towards children at all.
@@xd-qi6ry ah right because only adults over the age of 21 play this game
Reasonable assumption for sure.........
@@xd-qi6ry copium
@@xd-qi6ry that’s why it has been banned in my country.
could just buy a nft and have better luck getting a profit
Took a crack at the simulator myself, and my results are as follows. I had Notepad open to log my results, and I decided I would stop when I got 6 different types of Gem, labeling each as to what I think they looked like (helps to track Duplicates). Otherwise, for each roll, I would log the new total US Dollar amount (shortened to USD) spent to get to the new Gem. Also random aside, but I did all that while listening to the Galadril Mines track from the Blackthorne OST on loop just because I found the spinning slot visual of the simulator jived really well with that track's beat.
Results:
USD to 1 5/5 gem: 17450
USD to 2: 21750
USD to 3: 22875
USD to 4: 30350 (Duplicate: Blue Teardrop)
USD to 5: 31575
USD to 6: 34125 (Duplicate: Turquoise Skull)
USD to 7: 47125 (Duplicate: Turquoise Skull)
USD to 8: 52325
USD to 9: 62950 (Duplicate: Red sphere being eaten)
USD to 10: 64625 (Duplicate: Blue Teardrop)
USD to 11: 68250 (Duplicate: White Sphere with Gold Circle)
USD to 12: 69150 [GOAL REACHED: 6 separate gem types]
Gems:
White sphere with gold circle: 2
Blue teardrop: 3
Red sphere being eaten: 2
Turquoise Skull: 3
Azure Orb in Squid Hold: 1
Crimson on Demon Head: 1
Gem Count after reaching Goal (as read on the Simulator)
5/5: 12
4/5: 70
3/5: 347
2/5: 1396
2: 5575
1: 20620
Total gems: 27660
Total expenditure: $69150
NICE
Just needed $270 more for the perfect total cost
I found it funny how your efforts for record the results, calculate the money spent and write it on TH-cam comment are much more works than Immortals dev trying to hide its hideous gambling predatory.
I don't know what to do, should I laughed at the absurdity or cry for the direction we all headed into...
Nice
nice
I mean not at all that amount is fucking terrifying. AND I PLAY THE SIMS
Just for fun I did some calculations with your numbers to see how long this would take you cause you'll also need to run the actual rift before you get the gems.
27660/10 = 2766 rift runs.
let's say doing a run takes 5 minutes and buying more crests for a run takes about 1 minute so 6 minutes per run
2766*6=16.596 minutes
16.596/60=276,6
276,6/24=11 days 12 hours and 36 minutes of continuous play with no breaks to get all the gems you need to fully equip one character.
They really went out of their way to make the most heinous piece of software possible, didn't they?
Don't you have endlessly deep pockets?
This is when EA says "hold my beer"
*C Radaker* EA written and DIRECTED by m night shamalan 🤮 ( the worst game in all mankind)
It took them 5 years to do this.
Their reputation was already smithereens before Immortal, they prob just said "screw it" people already hate us now, then just proceeded to craft this evil software. It's likely their way of milking the fans one more time before they bite the dust.
You should probably mention that at 3 spins, when you got nothing but a few 2 stars and many 1stars, you had already paid more than a normal AAA game. You could have bought many games with that. Good ones. And their DLC, which is just as debatable of a design.
There are also many cheap gems that are really worth their price like terraria or Ravenfield. Or games that are on sale. You can buy so many games for 25 (insert local money currency)
Even when you're just clicking buttons in a simulator the dollar amount feels diminished. It took me a moment to remember that I balk at even spending $10 in a mobile game, and $100 would be ridiculous to me. And even if I had cash to waste I'd still feel terrible throwing it to Blizzard instead of doing something productive with it.
Paid 40 dollars for monster hunter rise. Also bought a second witcher 3 with expansions because i think these companies deserve it
With 100$ you can buy a lot of actual good games to entertain you for a whole year. I bought witcher 3 goty edition for 9,99$ and played it for 250hours. Heck you can play LOL dota2 without the need of paying a single dollar for it. Blizzard is looking at people seeing money bags.
i only buy games on a sale, i like getting my maximum amount of value out of my money, and this lootbox thing to me looks like the equivalent of burning money on a fireplace.
@Li F I'm against buying items in a game, period... Mostly because of how they always go about it. Weaponizing psychology in every aspect of our lives is turning us into neurotic nutcases
Great letsplay here Yong, i'm really feeling the full diablo immortal experience. My senses of hard work and satisfaction are going crazy right now
Don't you mean your sense of pride and accomplishment?
My "pride and accomplishment" nerve was fried by these wonderful monetization systems LONG ago
It always blew me away how numeric values in games codes have litterally obtained an artificial value, and have made companies probably close to a trillion dollars
Addiction is very profitable. Hell, if you think about it 50% of our industries are fueled by addiction.
Less than 1% of the player base makes up over 99% of the revenue because they are psychologically unable to stop themselves. Casinos have strict laws in place to make sure these people are not exploited for all they're worth, but games get away with it because lawmakers either don't know about it, don't care, or are in their pockets.
@@369Sigma Food included.
I think there’s a greater conversation to be had about things we find valuable
@@PastPositive hence fast food.
I’ll admit I’m a sucker for Arbys roast beef and cheddar tho… 😒
Sounds like a great partygame.
Everytime you dont get a 5/5 gem, you have to drink a shoot.
You will die from alcohol poisoning before you even get a 4/5* gem XD
101 on dying from alcohol poisoning
I miss read it at first, and though that gonna be one sober party :D
It would be ruled as a suicide pact
You, too, can completely max out your gear, for the low, low price of
**Dr. Evil pinky**
_ONE HUNDRED _*_MILLION_*_ DOLLARS!_
you know, I have one simple request. And that is to have sharks with frigging laser beams attached to their heads! Now, evidently my cycloptic colleague informs me that, that can't be done!
Now, can you remind me what I pay your people for? Honestly, throw me a bone here.
What do we have?
"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play."
Someone needs to make this War Games meme.
Joshua!!
If each run took about 5 min, Yong would been grinding almost a full week nonstop in his simulation.
That's the part I find funny. Being a whale with $50k isn't enough, you ALSO need to spend a significant amount of time doing the rifts. Up until Diablo Immoral the narrative was that paid purchases were for people who had money but didn't have the time to grind in games, now they need both.
@@Notivarg I'd wager to bet that some1 with that money could just pay a farm abroad where it costs like $30 a day max, so that's not an issue. Still it'll take time to be ready.
Wow, "lucky" me! I managed to roll a 5 star gem in that simulator after only $1925! Blizzard, you will have neither my money nor my time.
I got "lucky", getting a 5/5 at 3000 and something....The equivalent to my country's annual minimum wage
What's most appalling is how bad this is compared to known predatory gacha games. I play (f2p) Fate/Grand Order, and a whale's bad day usually comes when they spend like 200 bucks to roll a character, which is already really bad. And that's rolling for a character that has unique stats, classes, combos, etc; meanwhile a diablo immortal player has to fork out tens of thousands for what''s essentially a smithing stone from elden ring
wtf are you doing throwing away $3000 on this garbage?
@@temporal_paradox I'm kind of thinking this comment might be a joke, the more I look at it and similar replies.
If not, then... are you alright over there, Dog? Because this is not the behavior of the mentally sound.
@@temporal_paradox I think they were referring to the simulator idk
@@temporal_paradox Bro, he clearly talked about the simulation
Got my 1st at $1125
Funny thing is, my dad took me and my sister to a casino to waste $20 on the slots. We actually made a profit of $200, but we saw a bunch of people with dead eyes and ashtrays full of cigarette butts. So the lesson was taught, but not how he expected.
r/thathappened
I've never been gambling I've always told my self of I wanted to burn money I'd do something good with it like donate to charity ECT
The most important thing with Casinos is that after you made a profit. you should just take it and leave.
Atleast we have a chance to make a profit from gambling in casino . In Diablo immortal , we gamble to get pixels .
@@RobotronSage Man, you think everyone on the internet lies, don't you? Replying to every comment head-ass...
Fun fact: This doesn't even take into account the amount of time one needs to waste to reach this point (since all these stages need to be played).
Just stop playing video games. These greedy companies won't quit until they realize the fan base is no longer a zombie horde just begging to be "the best".
The best at what? Wasting your real life in exchange for pixel clout? You'll just move to the next game and keep chasing that dopamine hit.
Take it from a vanilla wow player back in 2005. Nothing will ever feel the same. But you'll spend countless hours researching, playing, reviewing, and spending. Just to always repeat the cycle.
So, it was almost 1400 rifts, 14k gems dropped and 6 of those were 5/5. That's a 0.04% drop rate, math checks out. That's why gambling regulatory laws MUST be implemented for those games. No wonder Blizz does not want to mess with regulations in Belgium and Netherlands.
Quite literally those numbers are what got everyone and their mothers on the case of Gacha Games when they were blowing up and becoming more widespread. Like seriously, there were court cases and legislature written for them and everything.
The fact that Blizzard isn't being dragged to Court by several governments including the US is the reason I've completely lost what remaining faith I had in a lot of things right now.
The sim has counter added to it. I had a 5/5 Star after 6700 gems. So paying 16750$ gave me one 5 Star item.
i got one after 410, i think i just murdered my gacha luck for awhile
do you feel like a winner? i mean 100k for full gear is awesome price. and fair. no problem with game as FTP. Problem that you are paing money and dont get what you want? ahahahahaha
$18800 for a whole 5/5 gem LETS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALREADY INVESTED!! NO TURNING BACK!!!
I got incredibly lucky with simulator. Got 5 star gem after $150 spent. 0 of 4 star, 1 of 3 star.
No problem here. I have 30k ready for this game when it releases in my country. Remember its diablo, an auction house is bound to arrive and i may be able to resell any legendaries i would have hopefully obtained.
It's this game that has made me fully realize how pointless the 'mechanic' of quality ratings for items really are. Keep in mind everyone, each of these 10 spins also come with a dungeon you have to complete before you even get the rewards.
Yes, it's basically a disguised lootbox. You cannot fail them...there are amoeba living under rocks in swamps that could complete a rift...and even if by some chance you have to quit out or disconnect or whatever, I believe, if it was right what someone was saying, you get the stuff mailed back to you to do it again. They added in that small element of 'gameplay' to circumvent the stigma, and rulings in certain places that have them, against lootboxes.
In my country the 40K dollars would buy you an actual house. Maybe not the newest or the prettiest, but still, an honest to god actual house.
I took a crack at this and I got my first five-star gem at $15,875 dollars. No game is worth throwing that much of my hard-earned money at. Activision/Blizzard should be ashamed of themselves. Entire livelihoods are being destroyed by this horrendous system. Honestly, I am grateful to the creator of this sim. It literally shows a person how much of their life they're throwing away for the sake of a shiny collection of pixels.
the thing is people are defending this. saying people are enjoying this game. i am not exactly sure how they can be enjoying this though.
Imagine how many (and much better) games you can buy with a fraction of that money.
If they are trying to Monetize my Fucking time like that I’d be Quite made.
@@thewewguy8t88 I mean If people enjoy Throwing away everything for the little enjoyments they are addicted and need help.
@@notchs0son that is kind of how i feel too.
Gambling addictions, and super rich people are more profitable to them in the long run, than making a proper game. They know EXCTLY what they are doing, it's very sad too see. Streamers "making an example" for clicks are part of the problem too.
Facts
I'd imagine those streamers are getting kickback and if they aren't. Wow. What fools.
@@nojuanatall3281 Most, if not all of it, will be tax deductible...as a job expense. Quin also had sizeable audience figures throughout...probably gained a fair few paid subs, especially from Twitch prime members that picked up on the stream, and donations...plus whatever for running ads if he did. I doubt that he'd have come out of it at too much of a loss tbh.
'Streamers "making an example" for clicks are part of the problem too.' - I disagree...in Quin's case, since a) I don't think it's fair to say he was doing it for clicks and b) he has been the one that people have picked up on throughout this mess, when I saw his streams throughout the day he was getting 15-20k viewers pretty much constant throughout, sometimes a little higher....now, some of those people watch full streams, yes, but also people come and go...they watch for a while and leave, others join and do same etc. SO, how many eyes did that reach altogether each stream...and, in total over the course of however many days it was? If it prevented people from trying and spending on the game themselves, and it really should have done, then I think it's pretty well justified.
The people "Proving their point" by giving Blizzard exactly what they want are fools of the highest order.
Not only did they get played but they shout it out loud to try and dull the blow.
All at our expense.
This. They can talk all the crap they want, but streamers "donating" cash to blizzard (like YY said) are literally just doing exactly what the devs want. Streamers chasing clout/views are the new whales. Blizzard is just laughing their way to the banks on streamers' tears.
I just though about it, and it's not a bad idea tbh. A streamer's income is largely dependent on exposure>views> people's sympathy and all this leading to donations
It's a safe bet that this streamer made more money because of the spike of popularity he got.
Most of the money was gifted to him neways
@@kdubz7680 It's not better to piss someone else's money up a wall to do it.
@@nunyabidnis3815 very true
whats worse is, they found out that once you max out a 5/5 star gem, there's slots for MORE gems that appear and the estimated costs went from 100k~150k to like 550k+ to full power.
I tried this spinner, first time I got lucky, about every 2k it would "give" me a 5/5, the second time after a reload, it shot up to an average of $9k per 5/5. Just goes to show how rigged the systems are to feed gambling addictions, and just how shitty the game is.
It also would not at all surprise me if Blizzard put a "limit" on how often you could get 5/5 gems, and how much money you need to spend until you are finally allowed a chance to get a 5/5 gem.
My first one I got 5 5* gems with 10k. The second time took 12k to get one 5*.
Six 5/5 gems for only 27k
"It also would not at all surprise me if Blizzard put a "limit" on how often you could get 5/5 gems, and how much money you need to spend until you are finally allowed a chance to get a 5/5 gem."
And of course they wouldnt tell you that
And the fact having to spend 2k could be considered "lucky" in this context honestly just makes it even more sickening.
@@Mr.Hishprung Well isn't that logical? As they make it harder for EVERY next chance to get one. So they get more money and your chances are longer.
Remember the days where you could unlock everything by just playing? fun times
Fun Times indeed…
or by just entering a cheat code
bUt yOu cAn gEt tHeM f2P
@@chickenking1753 I miss cheat codes. They made it very clear to everyone that there was nothing special or valuable about game items. Some players should be reminded of that.
@@twilightvulpine gta San Andreas.
I was raised in a state where gambling is legal. One of the first things I learned about casinos is that THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS. Casinos/Game Studios will always stack the odds against you so that they come out on top.
The kicker is that game studios never really have to payout winnings. They just give you a virtual item in a game, over which they have absolute control. You winning a little too much? Accuse you of hacking and wipe your character coughBETHESDAcough. Now you gotta start from scratch and pull the slot machine lever all over again.
Just play Texas Hold'em, house doesn't have much take other than table fees normally
Sounds like someone got caught cheating on Fo76 and is bitter 🤔
@@The_Gent No, that happened... a guy spent a bunch of time grinding and got banned because Bethesda just blind fired bans to anyone with decent gear and told them, "Lol can't fix it."
@@The_Gent sounds like someone is throwing around meritless accusations to deflect from the commenters main message
That should be illegal because its so clearly outright theft. If a casino did something similar the law would be on their ass. Boomers running the government think that video games don't need this type of regulation when they clearly do.
I only had to "spend" $475" to get my first 5/5 legendary. Next one didn't happen until after $12,000. Should have stopped when I was ahead, at spending $0.
I've heard of mmo accounts going for $6,000 . But they had the best character on that server. This is just unspeakably evil
would it be better if i told you there are over 20 individual resources that you can buy, several battle passes, limited time edition deals, oh and only people who pay for the shop crests can actually sell their gems on the market. the shop crests and free crests are designed to look almost exactly the same with a slightly different shade of purple. lots of other things as well
This is probably the most egregious loot box system I’ve ever seen in a game. It’s just sad to see at this point.
We haven't had this much cover on other games also all of this is thx to pc players dumb mobile gotchas dont have pc players therefore there might be even worse ones we don't know
iT's NoT a LoOtboX, yOu HaVe To ClEar A duNGeOn FirsT
I’ve played many gacha games and Diablo immortal has the worst odds I have ever seen by miles. Even the worst gacha games have some level of pity or some method to the madness. This is honestly evil.
@@Impurity41 yea, there is a pity system, they guarantee you a 5 star gem every 50 runs. Not a 5/5 though, just a bit of a reward, just to keep you hooked. Sad, the game itself is kinda fun, I think I would gladly spend 15 bucks a month on a battlepass if cash shop was cosmetics only. Think of Hearhstone BG monetisation system. Guess that's a PC player perspective, we are just not their target audience. Asian release is on the horizon, I wonder how it does there.
Damn, I heard the news about diablo but I never realized it was this bad. How is this even legal? Just because they title it "chance" or "lottery" this is a video game not a God damn casino. I swear companies are "weaponizing" gambling for their own gain and ruining games in general
I disagree. This is 100% a casino.
I find it funny how rolling for the first gem cost you just over half of your total expenditure for all six. It's like they rig it after your first 5/5 so you wanna go _just_ that little bit farther for each subsequent one.
Even the 2 out of 5 star looks like a psychological trick to show you 5 stars and not give your hopes up if you never seen it
I'd like to know what the difference is between the two star and the two out of five star.
@@r0bw00d looks Like 2 star are capped and can't be upgraded. 2 out of 5 you can feed it a ocean of useless gem/money to get it to 5/5 by brute force.
I wouldn’t phrase it as “it cost $25k” to get a five star gem. This is simply a company seeing how much money they can get out of people. It’s not even gambling it’s blatant robbery
Extortion is what it is m8.
It's basically ransomware fraud but yeah yknow.
Do you have any idea how much money these companies owe the general public in damages?
@@RobotronSage Extortion. 😂 Do you even know the definition of that word?
More accurately it's exploitation. No one is holding a gun to their heads and making them spend money. It's exploiting gullible people's desire to.
The saddest part of all of this is that some dumbass, whether it be an "influencer making a point" or some rich idiot with more money than sense, has to actually spend the money to make this profitable...and no one is twisting their arms to spend this money, they are doing it of their own free will. That is the most sad and scary part of all of this.
I was able to get 6 gems in only 20k. I got so lucky that I only had to trade my entire gaming library and 30 PS5s for a partially leveled character in a mobile game.
Keep in mind you also got to max out those gems with upgrades requiring duplicate gems
It only took me 18k, so maybe I can save a few ps5s
@@zacharynelson2856 remember it needs to be maxed out gems so you need to roll for duplicates
" I got so lucky..." Hold up. Think what you just said. You got "lucky" to spend "only" $20,000 on a video game lootbox
@@TheHuskyGT The OP is joking
Love that Diablo Immortal was an ad on this video.
I like how after hitting the simulate 5/5 gem pull, the gems are cycling through fast enough they look like they're laughing at you
👹
I gave it a shot on my end too:
First gem took me $10,075. I got six of them with $32,925, but I noticed that at least one of those was a duplicate. So I rounded off my spins and I'll say I theoretically spent $34,425 to fill out my team. Which is higher than my current student loan debt.
I'll say this for the simulator: it's educational, and ironically more fun than I can imagine Diablo Immortal actually is.
Edit: I came back to play again while keeping a closer eye on duplicates :O this time around it took me $41,000 even to fill out my team!
Love how the simulator says "waste" $25.
It cost me $9850 for my first 5/5 gem. That's more than I've spent on video games my entire life.
Content-wise I'll be generous and say it would take me 5 minutes per run, that's 394 runs clocking in at almost 33 hours. 33 hours of brain dead content for a single top tier gem at the low low cost of 10 grand, not bad for a free mobile game. My pc only cost 2 grand lol. Conversely I've gotten 262 hours of excellent content from Elden Ring at the modest price of $60. Funny how that works.
But it's +800% extra value !!
But yeah, this monetization is absolutely ridiculous.
My 6x max gem result was around ~25.000$.
You could buy a house and pretty big yard with that money from where I'm living, for crying out loud !
Are you that stupid to pay that much for any game
Did the simulator, got my first 5/5 at $725, first 6 unique 5/5s at $12675. Pretty damn lucky comparatively. Then it took me $77475 to have a copy of each of the 9 gems at 5/5 and $96100 to get 6 to rank 10. If I had the money to spend on that, I'm sure I'd totally feel the pride and accomplishment
I tried the Rift simulator. I got EXTREMELY lucky and "only" had to spend 5500USD to get a 5/5 gem.
this game was made solely for the purpose of ripping people off for every single dollar possible.
edit: after running it some more, I got extremely lucky and got off with the low low price of 24375 USD to get all 6 5/5 gems.
this cannot be defended. it is the most shameless cashgrab to ever be invented.
and let's all remember, items are bound to the character. not the user.
I got 6 5/5 gems for a total of $10850
And also keep in mind, you also need to rank up the gems, which needs duplicates of that gem and other gems which also need to rank up on their own, then awaken it, then put another gem on it that also needs ranking up
That statement people talked about that you need $100,000 to max out a character is a serious understatement, and is all for ONE character
Blizzard just had the worst fall from grace ever in video game history. Used to be beloved by everyone, now corrupt to the very core
So we're letting our society be extorted are we?
man I must have gotten really REALLY lucky, cause it only cost me $625 for my first 5/5 gem
when you consider that you could just code these same systems without tying it to actual money for the same gambler rush minus the gambler's harm it becomes even more disgusting.
The thing is that Diablo 3, Path of Exile, Borderlands, and similar basically all do this already! All that Immortal does is make it cost real money to pull the lever.
(And at least in Borderlands you can just edit your save file to get exactly the prefixes you need.)
Yeah... the casinos in various Pokemon games. Literal gambling but zero real money
@@judyh3707 or any number of PC casino games before they all became monetized hell. You can sometimes find them in the bargain bin at Staples or Walmart.
I tried the simulator, $11,325 for six 5* gems. Assuming perfect RNG, and I x10 that result, that's $113,250. Not only is that more than the cost of my entire spenditure on video games throughout my 30+ years of life. With that amount of money, I could pay off my school loan and buy a car straight up, with some money over for my mortgage.
Absolute insanity.
U got lucky, I was 6x5* at 30k so for my I'd be 300k in to Max
tried the sim, 28k for 6 5/5 gems, and i know for a fact that at least 3-4 of them is useless for most if not all meta builds without even having ever played the game.
and that is indeeda very important factor to consider, whatever or not that gem you get is actually the one you need for your build or if it's useless for you, this makes the estimation of 100k to actually be rather low, and the recent 500k estimation for the very top max gear to also feel a bit on the lower end.
for example, the freedom and devotion gem, its entirely useless for anyone who's not running a summoner build as that gem give bonus to summons, and defiant soul is useless if you dont run a block build as that gem gives bonus to blocking, so im thinking that 100k-500k estimation feels more like a best case scenario estimation.
oh, and those 28k usd is equivalent to about 2 and a 1/4 years worth of income for me.