goo.gl/yzL6YQ Click link to see the batteries I used. amzn.to/2gZcOF3 Replace up to 8 batteries with this kit get all your batteries fixed, instead of sitting in the drawer. amzn.to/2ef8PVA Soldering Tools See the reviews. amzn.to/2gVJezF Electrical mini plier set goo.gl/BeQewM Click link to purchase the multimeter that I use in this video.
This is a usefull video, however i must point out some details mentioned that are incorrect. the drill "power" is defined by the voltage of the battery. the reason the 2.2 amp hour battery is better is because it holds the same voltage (usually 12 volts) for a longer period than the 1.5 amp hour battery. the definition is rather simple as the drill has a constant current consumption (say 500miliamps per hour for sake of the argument) your 1.5Ah battery will last for 3 hours before the voltage drops below 12V rendering the drill slow, or stopping it completely (depending on how the ciscuit of the drill works) with a 2.2amp hour battery, your drill will last for over 4 hours before the voltage drops. usually the issue with the NiCad batteries is the fact that they have memory of the recharge cicle, which tends to make them drop voltage sooner, giving them an effective capacity that gets lower and lower the more you use them. in order to make NiCad batteries last longer the common approach is to ensure a full discharge before recharing, as this will avoid the memory effect. NiMH batteries are considered better because they do not suffer from this memory effect. it is worth noting that the reason drill companies tend to use NiCad batteries in the battery packs is not entirely because these are cheaper. it is also because NiCad batteries cope better sudden high current drain, unlike NiMH. It is possible to restor a NiCad battery to hold almoust as much capacity as it had when it was new, this requires a sequence of complete discharge, and very slow charge cicles many times in succession. although i have heard rumors, that after restoring a NiCad battery, it tends to "gain" memory a lot faster than when it was new. hope this information is helpful to someone.
interesting points ,if anyone else needs to find out about how to recondition my car battery try Megarno Amazing Battery Magician (do a search on google ) ? Ive heard some decent things about it and my buddy got cool success with it.
wow, i wish i would have known about this rebuild before throwing away my old craftsman set away, ..I west back to sears to see if they had a new battery, and the sales rep tells me they don't make the battery anymore…this was 7 yrs ago, i sense bought a Porta Cable 18 volt, still going strong, and loses don't sell the 18 volts anymore, they since upgraded it to 20 volts..
It's been about 3 years now I believe...? How are the rebuilt battery packs holding up? Would you convert them to lithium ion batteries next time around if need be?
I'm rebuilding a snapon battery pack and one of the connections has 2 batteries facing positive side up but have a connector running from one of the positive down in-between the batteries to the negative. once i had completed the connection joined them together and somehow created a short and almost melted the battery down. any tips?
If I am not mistaken it is better to start soldering the bottom side of the bat teries according to the map, later on fix it in the box and then continue soldering the top side , that way it will be more secure handling the batteries.
Thx for video. I have 2.4 mAh in Dewalt XRP pack Can I go up in mAh's to the 2200 mAh you refer to or how do I discern? also what setting do you have the solder set to? 1500 watts?Thx
I have several old somewhat battered Ryobi 18v power packs and thanks to thieves I am going to have to try to refurbish the ones I have left. I came across your great videos found some new batteries with a rating of 3200-3500 mah and wondered if you knew what was the maximum mah rating that the P118 or P117 can manage? I would assume the higher mah would give me longer life in these packs. Do you know the tolerances or where I might find that information? I wanted to check before I bought a bunch of batteries and started testing them out. Your opinion is greatly appreciated.
wouldve been nice to see you open it. im stuck lol. my pack is open but the battery wont just slide out and i refuse to yank on it etc although its been dead for years, prob.
Sixtyfivefold has a good video on how to do this. I think the reason they don't rebuild the lithium packs is because lithium batteries have to be charged to a certain voltage and no more because they'll explode. Great video dw6. Does your charger for your drills drain the batteries before it charges them?
@ Love2boat92, the main reason lithium packs may explode on (possible overcharging) is that they are essentially capacitors. Capacitors are charged to their max and released as per their design, so keeping an input to them beyond their max is dangerous. IF however yo know their max voltage and capacitance, you can calculate the time required. but i wouldnt rcommend it.
I found this for you if it is useful. www.green-charger.com/Article/id-37/ it is different from what i previously explained, but it will work just foine and safely for you.
I replaced the batteries with 2200Mah batteries from the originals that were 1200Mah. After 24 hours of charging, I am only getting 10.73 volts for a battery that should be at 18 volts. Any ideas?
You have done a great job ,,,,,,I have all ryobi lithium now some of my early ones died because I moved nearl 3 years ago and may have stored them flat,,,you can buy a charger and and lithium or buy a kit with a new drill etc ....you don’t need buy genuine ryobi batteries I use FLAG POWER now they seam ok in uk a 5ah battery is £25 ish ,your tools will then be like they are on steroids..ps stuff looks cheaper over the pond ... happy soldering
Your charger is going to charge, based on *voltage*, not battery capacity, so you should be able to use larger capacity cells... it will take *longer* to charge, obviously, but... Thanks for the video!
Changing from 1500mah batteries to 2200mah batteries does not make your powertool stronger, it increases your runtime, just to clear that out. Upping the voltage makes it stronger, if your motor can handle it :) power is just like hydraulics, upping voltage or pressure equals strength, flow and current equals speed/runtime, only difference is for power current is runtime for hydraulic it is speed, hope that explains it 😃
Do you what is the max mah batteries I can use to still be compatible with my charger? I have a newer ryobi charger that charges both Ni-Cd and Lithium batteries. Thanks!
Crap, I have Lithium Ion in my Makita. I have the original 1.5 AH batteries but are getting a little weak after about 3 years of pretty hard use. Merry Christmas to you and yours Double Wide! -Eric
Volusia-ev Thanks for watching as always. Maybe it is time for a new set of tools. I don't know what I am going to do when my lithium ion tools start fading away.
Cool video, but you cant make a motor stronger, without increasing the volt. The motor will Draw the amps that it needs. When a cell tells 2200mah, it actually tells you have much amp it has in it. . . If the drill runs hard, it simply draws more of the amp.
Tenergy is a great battery manufacturer - Lithium can be rebuilt as well depending on the drill - like the Milwaukee 12 volt all that has are 3 18650 IMR batteries - each 18650 battery has a nominal voltage of 3.7 with a fresh off the charger of 4.2 volts - not all Lithium packs are going to be 18650 IMR's some may be Lithium Polymer that those are like what is found in a cell phone or Remote Control Car each of those cells are also 3.7 volts - the only problem with buying Lithium cells is there are tons of fakes and the only place that has a wide selection of authentic batteries that i know of and can trust is RTDVapor.com - yes they are an electronic cigarette vendor but they sell authentic cells with high AMP limits - for instance AW IMR has a 10 amp continuous - the only thing you have to take into consideration with IMR cells or any Lithium cell is they can not be taken below 3.3 volts or you ruin the cell. So each battery pack will have a chipset inside that monitors the voltage as does it monitor the battery temp - lithium are a little bit more delicate and like to be kept at temps humans do - so the cold will drain a battery very easy - those should be stored in a heated space - the reason I suggested RTDVapor.com is because they normally have the batteries in stock and are a trusted US Vendor - I use the cells for my Ecig - so the brands that are the best quality would be AW, Efest, Sony, Panasonic and Orbtronic - Fluidvapor sells Orbtronic or you can go directly to Orbtronic.com
The lithium-ion batteries has different charging characteristics than the nickel-cadmium batteries. If you put a li-ion into a ni-cd loader the battery can explode. There are ways to modify the charger, but it's much more easy to use new ni-cd cells.
There are several components to doing a pro job. One place I found that succeeds in merging these is the Jons mender guide (google it if you're interested) definately the most useful course that I have ever heard of. look at this awesome resource.
I\'m not sure but ,if anyone else wants to learn about how to recondition batteries try Corbandy Battery Blueprint Crusher (just google it ) ? Ive heard some extraordinary things about it and my partner got great results with it.
goo.gl/yzL6YQ Click link to see the batteries I used.
amzn.to/2gZcOF3 Replace up to 8 batteries with this kit get all your batteries fixed, instead of sitting in the drawer.
amzn.to/2ef8PVA Soldering Tools See the reviews.
amzn.to/2gVJezF Electrical mini plier set
goo.gl/BeQewM Click link to purchase the multimeter that I use in this video.
Do you know where I can purchase the sticky paper that goes atop and bottom to the batteries?
This is a usefull video, however i must point out some details mentioned that are incorrect.
the drill "power" is defined by the voltage of the battery. the reason the 2.2 amp hour battery is better is because it holds the same voltage (usually 12 volts) for a longer period than the 1.5 amp hour battery.
the definition is rather simple as the drill has a constant current consumption (say 500miliamps per hour for sake of the argument) your 1.5Ah battery will last for 3 hours before the voltage drops below 12V rendering the drill slow, or stopping it completely (depending on how the ciscuit of the drill works)
with a 2.2amp hour battery, your drill will last for over 4 hours before the voltage drops.
usually the issue with the NiCad batteries is the fact that they have memory of the recharge cicle, which tends to make them drop voltage sooner, giving them an effective capacity that gets lower and lower the more you use them.
in order to make NiCad batteries last longer the common approach is to ensure a full discharge before recharing, as this will avoid the memory effect.
NiMH batteries are considered better because they do not suffer from this memory effect.
it is worth noting that the reason drill companies tend to use NiCad batteries in the battery packs is not entirely because these are cheaper. it is also because NiCad batteries cope better sudden high current drain, unlike NiMH.
It is possible to restor a NiCad battery to hold almoust as much capacity as it had when it was new, this requires a sequence of complete discharge, and very slow charge cicles many times in succession.
although i have heard rumors, that after restoring a NiCad battery, it tends to "gain" memory a lot faster than when it was new.
hope this information is helpful to someone.
Great project idea, yes I have experience with Tenergy and they have always been good for my uses.
Curiosity good to hear!
interesting points ,if anyone else needs to find out about how to recondition my car battery try Megarno Amazing Battery Magician (do a search on google ) ? Ive heard some decent things about it and my buddy got cool success with it.
How much do you charge to rebuild or do you know someone who does it somewhere near ky
if the heat sensor is broken will it keepbattery from charging?
The new battery's have tabs on them. I guess they can be cut and solider I guess. What gives with the tabs that are half soldiered?
wow, i wish i would have known about this rebuild before throwing away my old craftsman set away, ..I west back to sears to see if they had a new battery, and the sales rep tells me they don't make the battery anymore…this was 7 yrs ago, i sense bought a Porta Cable 18 volt, still going strong, and loses don't sell the 18 volts anymore, they since upgraded it to 20 volts..
What do you think about 'rejuvenating' the battery. how long does that last.
out of interest on the Ryobi drill, was it a PH, PZ or Torq bit for the screws on the bottom?
It's been about 3 years now I believe...? How are the rebuilt battery packs holding up? Would you convert them to lithium ion batteries next time around if need be?
I'm rebuilding a snapon battery pack and one of the connections has 2 batteries facing positive side up but have a connector running from one of the positive down in-between the batteries to the negative. once i had completed the connection joined them together and somehow created a short and almost melted the battery down. any tips?
now I know how to fix my x2 dead batteries - thanks so much
Tom (F4collector)
If I am not mistaken it is better to start soldering the bottom side of the bat teries according to the map, later on fix it in the box and then continue soldering the top side , that way it will be more secure handling the batteries.
Thx for video. I have 2.4 mAh in Dewalt XRP pack Can I go up in mAh's to the 2200 mAh you refer to or how do I discern? also what setting do you have the solder set to? 1500 watts?Thx
question, how long did your new constructed battery last?
great tip have lots of these type batteries laying around need to rebuild them
I have several old somewhat battered Ryobi 18v power packs and thanks to thieves I am going to have to try to refurbish the ones I have left. I came across your great videos found some new batteries with a rating of 3200-3500 mah and wondered if you knew what was the maximum mah rating that the P118 or P117 can manage? I would assume the higher mah would give me longer life in these packs. Do you know the tolerances or where I might find that information? I wanted to check before I bought a bunch of batteries and started testing them out. Your opinion is greatly appreciated.
merry christmas to you and your family. love your videos keep them coming.
ziggyr1 Thanks I will.
wouldve been nice to see you open it. im stuck lol. my pack is open but the battery wont just slide out and i refuse to yank on it etc although its been dead for years, prob.
Sixtyfivefold has a good video on how to do this. I think the reason they don't rebuild the lithium packs is because lithium batteries have to be charged to a certain voltage and no more because they'll explode. Great video dw6. Does your charger for your drills drain the batteries before it charges them?
Love2boat92 I saw sixtyfivefords video and it was very helpful. I always enjoy his videos. My charger does not drain down the batteries.
Oh ok. Thanks for the reply!
@ Love2boat92, the main reason lithium packs may explode on (possible overcharging) is that they are essentially capacitors. Capacitors are charged to their max and released as per their design, so keeping an input to them beyond their max is dangerous.
IF however yo know their max voltage and capacitance, you can calculate the time required. but i wouldnt rcommend it.
kosh142 I've never heard it put that way but it does make sense. Chances are I would charge the batteries to long and they would explode.
I found this for you if it is useful.
www.green-charger.com/Article/id-37/
it is different from what i previously explained, but it will work just foine and safely for you.
I replaced the batteries with 2200Mah batteries from the originals that were 1200Mah. After 24 hours of charging, I am only getting 10.73 volts for a battery that should be at 18 volts. Any ideas?
You have done a great job ,,,,,,I have all ryobi lithium now some of my early ones died because I moved nearl 3 years ago and may have stored them flat,,,you can buy a charger and and lithium or buy a kit with a new drill etc ....you don’t need buy genuine ryobi batteries I use FLAG POWER now they seam ok in uk a 5ah battery is £25 ish ,your tools will then be like they are on steroids..ps stuff looks cheaper over the pond ... happy soldering
Your charger is going to charge, based on *voltage*, not battery capacity, so you should be able to use larger capacity cells... it will take *longer* to charge, obviously, but... Thanks for the video!
Changing from 1500mah batteries to 2200mah batteries does not make your powertool stronger, it increases your runtime, just to clear that out. Upping the voltage makes it stronger, if your motor can handle it :) power is just like hydraulics, upping voltage or pressure equals strength, flow and current equals speed/runtime, only difference is for power current is runtime for hydraulic it is speed, hope that explains it 😃
95tt Thanks for the info, that should help out many of my views that read through the comments.
Do you what is the max mah batteries I can use to still be compatible with my charger?
I have a newer ryobi charger that charges both Ni-Cd and Lithium batteries.
Thanks!
This video was a Great help! Thanx!
thanks for the info, and great presentation.
Crap, I have Lithium Ion in my Makita. I have the original 1.5 AH batteries but are getting a little weak after about 3 years of pretty hard use.
Merry Christmas to you and yours Double Wide!
-Eric
Volusia-ev Thanks for watching as always. Maybe it is time for a new set of tools. I don't know what I am going to do when my lithium ion tools start fading away.
very clear explanation
Good informative video. Thanks!
Thanks for a great video.
Cool video, but you cant make a motor stronger, without increasing the volt. The motor will Draw the amps that it needs. When a cell tells 2200mah, it actually tells you have much amp it has in it. . . If the drill runs hard, it simply draws more of the amp.
I thought sub C and 4/5 were the same. Good thing I watched this video first.
So helpful. Thanks.
Tenergy is a great battery manufacturer - Lithium can be rebuilt as well depending on the drill - like the Milwaukee 12 volt all that has are 3 18650 IMR batteries - each 18650 battery has a nominal voltage of 3.7 with a fresh off the charger of 4.2 volts - not all Lithium packs are going to be 18650 IMR's some may be Lithium Polymer that those are like what is found in a cell phone or Remote Control Car each of those cells are also 3.7 volts - the only problem with buying Lithium cells is there are tons of fakes and the only place that has a wide selection of authentic batteries that i know of and can trust is RTDVapor.com - yes they are an electronic cigarette vendor but they sell authentic cells with high AMP limits - for instance AW IMR has a 10 amp continuous - the only thing you have to take into consideration with IMR cells or any Lithium cell is they can not be taken below 3.3 volts or you ruin the cell. So each battery pack will have a chipset inside that monitors the voltage as does it monitor the battery temp - lithium are a little bit more delicate and like to be kept at temps humans do - so the cold will drain a battery very easy - those should be stored in a heated space - the reason I suggested RTDVapor.com is because they normally have the batteries in stock and are a trusted US Vendor - I use the cells for my Ecig - so the brands that are the best quality would be AW, Efest, Sony, Panasonic and Orbtronic - Fluidvapor sells Orbtronic or you can go directly to Orbtronic.com
The lithium-ion batteries has different charging characteristics than the nickel-cadmium batteries. If you put a li-ion into a ni-cd loader the battery can explode. There are ways to modify the charger, but it's much more easy to use new ni-cd cells.
boelwerkr I agree. Thanks for watching.
There are several components to doing a pro job. One place I found that succeeds in merging these is the Jons mender guide (google it if you're interested) definately the most useful course that I have ever heard of. look at this awesome resource.
LOL better be good or you will get a piece of coal!
I have spent months studying battery reconditioning and found a great resource at Magic Mender Wizard (google it if you're interested)
I\'m not sure but ,if anyone else wants to learn about how to recondition batteries try Corbandy Battery Blueprint Crusher (just google it ) ? Ive heard some extraordinary things about it and my partner got great results with it.
you said battery like 5000 times wtf
Well he was not doing a video on Chair Building.
your voice is very grating on my ears like a whining motorboat
Your comment is very grating but not great.