What's even tragic is it is not due to the author's sudden death or something unforseen, it is entirely cuz of his severe procastination and pathological perfectionism issue
I really think that he is very apprehensive/fearful of finishing the series because of the reaction to the show and people's high expectations for the books ending . He's writing and rewriting it seems endlessly. He's also got many other projects in the pipeline. All I can say is, I really hope that not only he lives to finish it but that I live to read it!
The White Walkers should take over all of Westeros due to mankind's pride and arrogance while they were fighting amongst themselves for the Iron Throne. Those who barely managed to escape would've fled across the Narrow Sea 🌊
To sum it up: for more than 10 years he has been writing a lot. Yet he is not close to being done. Cannot wait to get my hands on this 6000 page book! :D
Look up the definition of a rewrite. If you think Lord of the rings was written in one go within a few weeks, you kbow as much about writing as I know about operating an F16.
I was introduced to the Song of Ice and Fire in July 2011; a friend of mine who enjoyed fantasy had the new hardcover and was excited to read it. We were much younger and had our whole lives ahead of us. "His ETA for the next one being released in about 2015," he told me then, "I imagine we'll both probably be married by then, our own places. Seems far off, but we'll be reading the next one before we know it." It's now 2023. That was twelve years ago, me and my friend sitting in that dingy apartment. He was correct, we both married our girlfriends; he had a ten year marriage with his and divorced. I'm a father now, our own homes, completely different lives. Had The Winds of Winter released in 2015, when the deadline was, he and I would have still been close and would have read it together. Now, our lives have swept us away and we no longer are in contact. The full duration of a long friendship a ten-year marriage have come and gone, and Martin has still not released TWOW. When my friend and I had that conversation in that dingy apartment in 2011, not a single cast member had been cast in the not yet produced Game of Thrones TV show; now that show is completely finished, an entire eight season show built from the ground up, andMartin has still not released TWOW.
Back in 2020 I was finishing my thesis and it was some of the most gut wrenching, anxiety inducing months of my life, it came to a point where I couldn't even open my laptop without entering into panic, I designed and broke my project apart again and again, frankly the one time I can consider i made any progress was 3 days before the final presentation and even after that I wasn't happy with the result That's when I thought about GRRM, the pressure to deliver and then the response from the public is on levels none of us will ever understand. I just wish he's happy on what he's doing and I've already accepted we are never getting A Dream of Spring
Wonder if the pressure would ease if he released what he's written as part one? Publishers and readers would be so busy reading the book, he could continue at his own pace
That would be so cool. The chapters he already published are very good, especially theons, sansas/jeynes and victarions. I live in germany and here all the asoiaf books got published in 2 versions: a big version (the normal books but in german) and a more popular version with each book having 2 parts. So for me it would be pretty normal to buy one half and later the other one😂
That's literally what the author James Patterson told George RR Martin months ago. George said that "I Have 1,200 pages finished and still have 500 pages to go". And James Patterson said, dude, it's been over 12 years, if it's taking so long to write those last 500 pages then split the book you have now into 2, and the books will still be the same length as the rest of the books in series and the fans will be happy they don't have to wait and then the fan will get another book in 1 or 2 years and be even happier than before. It is a win win. The author then went on to say, that is probably your best option George, and I mean think about it practically a 1,700 page book is barely even physically possible anyway, that is just way too big, so you have 2 choices to either cut down the story OR you can split the book into 2 and the books would still be just as long as the rest of the series and the fans would be happy and then the fans would be even happier when they get anothed book again after 1 or 2 years which will give them more hope about a dream of spring.
I had the theory that two books is not enough to end the story as he originally planned: 1/3 starks vs lannister, 2/3 the war of the dragons, 3/3 the war with the others. The original plan has changed for sure but it seems George want to write at least two books together. it would be a great solution to publish aWoW asap and a second part in few years (i mean 2 or less). He even had a great title: a time for wolves.
At least give us a 900 page book and then go for another approximately 900 page book. But he keeps saying "This is the biggest book of them all." And seems so proud of it. Like he almost can't release it in 2 parts. It wouldn't be his biggest book ever. He asked Stephen King how he wrote a book so fast. He told him I sit down and I write a hundred pages a day. (He'd be done in 5 days.) Hence how Stephen cranks them out. If George did that he would have been done 10 years ago. Same with A Dream of Spring. At this point is the book going to be so long it's cutting into ADOS? Or will it be like movies that are too long and could have been 30 min shorter?
I love George but as time goes on, you can tell he's got into his own head. What the fans, critics, agents, studio heads, publishers, etc.. What they want, what they expect to happen, the build up and hype and the *expectations* surrounding his masterpiece. And that statement in itself is part of that, we see ASOIAF as a masterpiece and George wants to live up to that expectation. Factor in the explosion of popularity and fanfare since "Game of Thrones" and the show itself also plays into how he writes. It's a mixture of a LOT of things and George is probably at his wits end. I personally believe that *we will see The Winds of Winter* be released, but not for a long time. And I honestly don't believe that ASOIAF will ever be finished. I believe The Show had essentially gutted his passion for his books, as the show was the peak of television and the most popular show since Breaking Bad and The Sopranos. Literally millions of millions of people watched the show, so reading a book and having it go an entirely different way, it'll be a shell-shock. And let's be honest, the man is 74. Even if his passion was at its fullest, his age will slow him down on his writing. If it takes another 2-4 years for The Winds of Winter, he'll be 76-78. Then if it takes another 2-10 years? You never know with George R. R. Martin.
Also hard for his passion to be at his fullest when you have a bunch of rabid fans, tearing him to shreds and expecting that will somehow get him all enthusiastic to finish.
@@conors4430- I have never been one of his fans but I have the feeling that those who still are aren't tearing Martin up at all. Even the most optimistic and delusional have given up.
I doubt he will be able to finish the series. Once WoW is released he will take a good break I’m sure and by the time he starts working on A Dream of Spring he will be into his 80’s. If he needs 10 or more years he would be well into his 90’s by then. As someone who works with the elderly I have watched seemingly healthy octogenarians just suddenly decline and mentally fit 85 year olds develop dementia just 2 years later If Martin is already struggling to keep track of all the strands of the story and the large cast of characters it will be even more difficult for him as time goes on. ASOIAF will never be finished.
I read the entire series back in highschool in 2016, the last book had come out when I was a kid so I figured that I could get to read Winds sometime in college. I loved the series, even got a map of Westeros for my dorm, ended up taking it down when the show ended like it did. Covid came and went I graduated and completely forgot about the series. So I’m a adult, well into my career. Over half a lifetime has past for me and this guy is still working on this goddamn book.
Imagine people who were reading the A Song of Ice and Fire when first book was published, back in 1996. Then college kids now are approaching their fifties...
@@Harahvaiti That's me only I was in high school, now early 40s. A Game of Thrones was recommended to me in '96 by a guy at Barnes and Noble after I told him I had just finished Lord of the Rings. He said it was like that book only more subversive, and told me the main character died as proof. Such a twat. Thankfully it was hard to tell exactly who the main character was. If 'Winds' comes out in three years it'll have been 30 years since I started reading the series- and not even the final book!
I have mixed feelings about the situation, part of me agrees that it takes however long it takes to write it. Its his story, but if he was never working on it or had major writers block he should not have led fans on thinking the book was right around the corner
Like he said in the video, he is only making an estimate, he isn’t trying to lead us on, when he says he might be nearly done it’s because he thinks he is, but he doesn’t actually know and things can get complicated
@@aminaa5824 In mid to late 2010s he said he had dozens of chapters finished. Let's say that means 36 chapters, that's like half of the book maybe 2/5. Recently he said that he like a thousand pages maybe I forget exactly. The book is going to be over 1500 pages so he's what 2/3 done maybe less. It doesn't make sense unless completely started over or he wasn't doing any writing. You have all the sample chapters already done that what 15-20 chapters
I think he wrote himself into a corner and doesn't know how to finish because he keeps adding sub plots and new characters late in the story like in "Dance". Sometimes simplicity is better. To be honest Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons were a slog to get through. Entire chapters would just grind to a halt with nothing going on. Stephen King has this issue too.
Why people keep asking? Is clear he will not finish it, is not an issue about writing but will, he has no will to finish it, he keep putting other books ahead and even bringing new book ideas ahead of the WoW book. This is text book example of someone who struggles to close a story.
I think it’s not will it’s that he has no idea how to get to the finish logically and that the response to Dan And Dave’s ending has him petrified about his legacy. It’s just sad because they had so much content they cut that could have kept the series going for a few more years. It makes no sense that they wanted to move into a new project.
@@bloodaonadeline8346only issue he's dropped hints before he had no intention on finishing before the show ended. He has compared himself to tolken too many times and tolkens unfinished work. During a comic Con event stated how nobody got upset that tolkens work wasn't finished. Apparently the fact that Tolkien had a full-time job and writing books was not even his first hobby went over Martin's head
At this point I'd pay $1000 for the book. I won't support anymore of GRRMs work till I get it. It's his right to not finish it. And my right to abandon all other works
Exactly what I said to my BFF when she asked if I had read HotD. I'll definitely watch whatever on HBO if it's good quality. But the next book I'm reading by GRRM is WoW...
@@gidorah- This is a common misconception. People don't stop consuming other GRRM'S works to pressure him to finish at least the sixth book. That's nonsense, they haven't got the power to do so. People don't boycott the author, they stop immersing themselves in something they have no influence on and know will never be finished. They stop being invested and are emotionally distancing themselves as an act of let's say self-care. And that's the best thing they can do. And the only thing.
@@saymyname2417 I disagree. Commercial motivation, professional respect, admiration for creating a masterpiece are all motivations. If that doesn't motivate him then if all other works being Boycotted is another motivation. I mean you wouldn't rebook a caterer who quits halfway through service would you? They lose business. This art is also a business. So as a consumer I'm acting on my right to not rebook him... He may not give a f. It's certainly understandable. Yet my position remains the same
George R.R. Martin: the Doran Martell in real life. He lives a rich lifestyle in an arid climate, overlooks a swimming pool, keeps his secrets too well, and his plans blow up in his face...just like Doran.
I'm convinced that he has abandoned work on his Magnum Opus; what could've gone down in history as a major accomplishment will now be remembered, if it is remembered at all, as an abandoned work of something that could've been great, but stumbled and fell quite short All these TV shows he is working on will be forgotten the moment they are done; they don't carry the same gravitas as something like his completed Magnum Opus would carry
And George has the gall to talk smack about Lord of the Rings. Say what you will about Tolkien's stories, at least he *finished* his legacy--and created a whole new genre in the process. I suspect few if any people still think Winds of Winter--let alone Dream of Spring--will actually be releasing in George's lifetime.
I would say that 1 whole page per may is more than you think. Considering it's not as simple as just writing, he has to think about what he is writing, plan ahead etc. It would basically be asking him to work a full 9-5, which is asking a lot for somebody that just doesn't need too. On the other hand, even if expecting him dedicate that amount of time every day is too much, expecting that as an overall average with him taking other time to plan and having spouts where rights a lot more than one page then takes a break doesn't seem that bad.
I swear to god, If I die before George finishes and releases winds of winter I’m going to float to Santa Fe and haunt him for the rest of his life. The only times I will give him peace is when he’s writing the last asoiaf books. The rest of his life will be one giant nightmare
He is 74 years old odds are he is gonna die before this book gets released he has been saying the same thing about how he is almost done for like 15 years.
@@alucard8433 I know. It’s fckd up. I’ve invested almost 20 years into reading this series and now the chances of seeing the end of it are almost non existent. And that’s annoying . People can say “it’s his life to do as he wants. If he doesn’t wanna finish the books that’s up to him.” But I kind of disagree. He put out all those books getting us invested emotionally and financially. And I’ve invested decades of time. He owes us these books. No one can persuade me otherwise.
@@BeneathTheGold "The chance of seeing the end is almost nonexistent." Almost? Oh, you sweet summer child. I'll give you one caveat. You won't see *the* end, but surely you'll see *an* end. Or hundreds. Let's hope there's a Mozart level artistic genius fan-fic writer out there. 😅
I feel for the guy. Big projects could be overwhelming and the pressure of this one must be at the point of making diamonds! I am disappointed of course, but more so by trying to understand him and his circumstances, i cant help but feel more encouraged that he is still trying despite everything.
My daughter didn't want to read it until WoW was out. I told her she would be 35 by the time that happened. She was 29 at the time. 😅 We were laughing about it because she even said he'd die with the series unfinished. And maybe she and I could write it together. (Since we are writers) She passed shortly thereafter in October of last year.
@@gamer2101 Like I said before. Someone had chat AI write up WoW and ADoS already. I have them up on my computer so I can read them. I'm going to save them for myself for after he writes them or passes.. to read them to see what the computer decided.
As much as I am a fan of GoT, I would have to reread most of the series to remember where he left off a decade ago. That's a big commitment to a writer that I don't feel is that committed to his fans. I'm opting out myself 🤷♂️
Who cares that you're opting out tbh. Good. GRRM doesn't owe you anything. It's his book and his world. He can take as long as he wants because its HIS. He could've quite easily rushed the book because his 'fans' were pressuring him but no hes still writing so it's the best it can be. That shows it's his passion and it has to be perfect, not some thing that has to be finished immediately so entitled pricks like you can be satisfied. Wake up. It's not about you
i'm big brain so I started book 1 this year. I'm a slow reader and will interval each book with other books so I hope that by the time I read DoD he will release the WoW After GoT (which it took me 3 months to read) I just ended American Gods Tonight I will start A Clash of Kings. I think either Foundation part I or Watchmen will be following up in my readings :P
I can’t imagine the amount of pressure he has on him. Very few authors have that level of expectation put on them. I almost wonder if he’ll write it all, but not have it published till after he’s gone
@@longling194 the ending was terribly executed and extremely rushed, though, with so many questiosn left unanswered... so that's not really a compelling argument 🤐
Honestly, I can't blame him. It must be an unimaginable amount of pressure seeing your work get so massive and so highly regarded and feeling you have to write an ending that lives up to that expectation.
And obviously, seeing the reaction to the shows ending probably didn't help. Honestly, I'm fine with however long it takes him and even if he never finishes, as long as he keeps writing it his way and hopefully enjoying it. After all, I doubt he'll be giving us his best if he's writing unenthusiastically and under a timeline that doesn't work for him.
Wrong. GRRM does NOT write to appease fans. He has said this several times. He's extremely critical of writers who write for the audience rather than for themselves. He's struggling because of how massive these books are. They are several books in one.
@@GreenFalcon926 ". He's struggling because of how massive these books are. They are several books in one." He's struggling because he keeps too many unecessary parallel plots and now cannot manage to sew them together properly to make them even make sense to exist in the first place. And no, they don't write for themselves, if they did, they would keep it locked in a safe in their homes instead of publishing. This is a fine example of hypocrisy.
GRRM has taken great note from politicians on how to shuck and jive in interviews when giving solid answers about this book. I’ve stopped optimistically looking for the final release of WoW but now I look for his latest “I’m almost there but nowhere close” and “hey I’m gardening and loved Barbie” posts.
Because he doesn’t know ya dingus. Writing is not a linear process. You just can’t give a reliable estimate for a creative work like that, at least not if it’s going to be any good.
He released House of the dragon which takes place 100 years before a song of ice and fire. To George he just gave himself another 100 years to catch up to Winds of Winter.:P
Honestly, at this point. More than WoW and DoS being released-which may be unlikely-I just want him to drop his writing/plot notes. I get that while he would write, he may stray away, but I just need *something* - at least get answers to the big plot questions and the prophecies, etc. just lore questions for me.
What is likely to happen with the last book if something bad happened to George then I think someone else would write the last book using his notes, like Tolkien's son and much of the legendarium
@@Draconianoverlord55 I'm not sure if this might happen, IIRC, I think George said he didn't want anyone else to finish his work? (Or I may be mistaking it for another author). But in any case, I would accept that option, too. But I would much accept his notes. 🤣
I am sure he’s getting close. I kind of understand. He wants to make something good. A feast for crows and dance with dragons weren’t as good as CoK or SoS but if he can tie everything together, it will be amazing. I think he’s got the right idea.
It's not because of that, these are just excuses. He can't finish the book, because of several likely factors related to his tv involvement, the current toxic political environment that surrounds him and of course what happened with season 8.
I think the re-writing is what takes him so long. He could have probably released 3-4 versions of the book, but none of these would be satisfactory for him. And I understand and respect that. I once was working on a painting for three month only to completely overthrow it 5 days before the deadline. He is after all an artist and in my mind one of the greatest yet in his field. I just have this one wish that he won‘t suffer bad health or even die before finishing his series. Even if it comes out 2035. If it is the version he is content with I am ready to wait because boy oh boy this guy will deliver, I assure you that.
By my calculations, Winds release date: Sometime between late 2026 - early 2027. Dream of Spring?!? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 FAT CHANCE. The guy's barely gonna be able to get out of bed. He should call it "A Pipe Dream of Spring"
A few years ago I was afraid of his age, now I started to fear my own age too. I am in late forties, don't considered young anymore and faced the fear of my mortality. Time seems to speed up with every year and anything can happen, even if George will finish it a lot of the fans won't live long enough.
@@SelectiveApathy82 Well... In any case. I think Winds will be released sooner or later and ADOS won't solely be released by GRRM. I guess he will leave his notes and someone else will finish the job eventually. Although it will be hard to find a person who even comes close to his genius writing capabilities.
@@MortredMaul He's already said he will never let another person finish ASOIAF, but I suppose that could change when he's 80 and close to full-on dementia.
In the year 2929 star citizen officially launches & the george martin AI anounced good progress on the eve of the second century of the creation of the Dream of Spring after the long anticipated release of the Winds of Winter, it's a shame people went extinct 400 years ago, I'm sure they would have liked it.
he better have a journa about how he wants to end the story or tell a friend how he wants to story to go just in case he dies. Oda the author of One Piece has already thought about him dying before finishing the story so he told his writing crew how the story will end and how he wants it to end. This is what GRR needs to do. Dont be like Miuara the author of berserk that didn't leave no clues on how he wanted Berserk how to finish
The author of Berserk Miura did have notes and a general idea of how the story will end that he left behind. His studio and personal friend are continuing the story adhering to said notes.
Miura actually told the end of the story to Koji Mori who is a great mangaka and one of the closest friends of Miura. Now he is completing the manga with studio gaga, the assistant of Miura and they're doing a great job.
I hate to be grim about this stuff but there’s no way we will ever see George r r martins a dream of spring. I mean the winds prob won’t be out til 2024 or maybe 2025, sadly that’s being optimistic, I just don’t believe Martin will live another 30 years to be able to get winds and dream done and out. Hopefully Martin has everything outlined so that a successor could pick up the pieces and get dream of spring out, but it’ll never be martins book. I wish he’d just decide to make winds a double book, release what he’s got done now and then he can release the second part in a year or 2
A Dream of Spring would take him way less time for sure. Winds of Winter will kill a lot of characters, who make it more complex to finish, at least according to this video.
I'm just hoping the reason it's taking him this long to finish The winds of winter is because he is writing both books (winds of winter and a dream of spring) simultaneously and he plans to release them both at the same time😅
I hope that's the case. This has gotten so frustrating for him I can imagine he wants to get it over with already. But I fear not even TWOW will be released any time soon
About this garden. George once entered his garden had a dozen small but promising plants. He cultivated it perfectly over the years. But at some point there was a change, he started buying lots of smaller plants. Thus, from the beautiful composition of a bonsai master, his garden began to resemble a wilderness that had outgrown him. He keeps expanding the story instead of moving towards the end. I love this world and the nuances, full of diverse characters, stories, however, I have the feeling that GRRM does not know how to finish such a multitude of plots.
I asked Brandon Sanderson at Tampa Bay Comic-Con 2023 if he'd take over the series. He said "Nope, not touching that one." And just to be clear, I was joking when I asked the question.
Makes sense though. Based on the sex and graphic violence in A Song of Fire and Ice, Sanderson’s religion (LDS Church) doesn’t permit him to write that level of adult content
Ridiculous question. You asked another author in a public forum if he’d be willing to finish the most popular fantasy series of the 21sr century, someone else’s work- which implicitly means “hey since we both acknowledge GRRM is old and going to die, would you mind picking up the slack?” That’s just straight up rude. Glad to hear he had the class not to provide an answer.
@janomerzo2058 I would hate that. Let Joe Abercrombie continue expanding on his First Law series and other original work. Phenomenal writer that just needs to focus on his legacy. Joe is a generational talent in my opinion
He wanted to subvert expectations with ASOF and this is the ultimate representation of that. You expect an ending to this sprawling story and guess what? This book just like life has no end.
Meanwhile, George issues the 500th volume of Wildcards... I find it all a bit ridiculous really. How can it take this long to write a book you have already started/know where is heading. He isn't writing it because he doesn't want to. He is busy doing other projects.
Yes, he has other projects, but asoiaf has a big world with complex characters and character pov chapters, that's not easy. Especially danys chapter needed a lot of work
@@FrankeNamensKarimDanny's POV isn't even necessary to the story. Imo her story should've been released after the main story as a prequel. Same with Aryas time in braavos. The story doesn't need all the convoluted side quests
ASOIAF is his Magnum Opus; I don't get why he doesn't put 100% effort into completing it. It means the difference between him going down in history or just being another forgotten writer; I'm talking 100 years from now, if he had a completed series, I'm sure it would be thought of as a massive achievement. Or it can be just an abandoned work
I wish he would just pass the story on to someone who still cares about it and will actually write. There are plenty of competent authors out there willing to take on this great world. I’m literally at the point where I have just assumed he’s never going to finish this book, let alone the series.
I'd rather find the series unfinished and give it a proper ending inside my head than seeing it torn apart in some mediocre writer's hands. Let's face it, Martin is genious where the others are just meh.
@@sedakoc6686 I’m sure plenty of people said the same about Wheel if Time. There are authors that you and I have never heard of that are truly incredible
great point…it’s what George Lucas finally did (and should have done 30 years earlier) with the Star Wars universe. I’m certain there are many talented GoT writer/enthusiasts who could do great things with that world.
@@sedakoc6686get real, George it's that mediocre now, he Lost his touch, just like a musician that once released great hits he started to wrote crap fue to lazyness, greedy, other interest and such, he's just lying at this point and just hyping a Big wall of smoke for years
Well done, George. How to start one of the greatest and acclaimed fantasy saga ever seen and turn it into a notoriously frustrating case of unresolved mess in the literally world. This books will not have any ending ( a no acknowledged fact we still try to deny and lie ourselves), and George Martin will pass into history as one of the most talented but failed author of the fantasy genre, a flawed genious who lost the chance to culminate such highly promising work into a masterpiece destined to pass on to the posterity. Sad but true.
He finished it years ago, Im 99.9% sure. He is just building up pent up demand. He will probably release it when Snow comes out or some point when the demand has built to a crescendo.
@@punchforpound2808by now I'd be sure to say that Winds is the most expected book of all time, he doesn't need to build up hype or wait for 'high demand' ... People will be lining up out of the bookstores to buy it .. there is tons of fans that literally don't care about reading any other book but this one..
@@punchforpound2808 We were saying that before Season 8's finale. "Oh he's just waiting for the show to end so adverts can plug the book around the same time."
I have a theory. I believe he is already done with both novels but is waiting out his days to release them posthumously to avoid any backlash like the show got
It's not like we're waiting the final final book, in which case of course everything would be 10x complicated, we're waiting for TWO, damn people know that if someday we got winds of winter, A dream of spring would take at leaaaast 5 years or even 10 to get out, and it would be ok. God we need at least this one :/
By this time he would have changed the content and course of events in the novels and bring it to satisfactory ending. This theory doesn't make any sense.
I actually think that he has finished writing Winds of Winter, but doesn't want to release it until he finishes A Dream of Spring. That way if he needs to correct something in Winds because it doesn't fit with the narrative of Dream he can do it easily. Don't forget, he's juggling A LOT of characters.
My philosophy behind authors releasing books is that every release is a luxury. We want the 6th book so badly because of how amazing the first five were. We could have lived in a time where those five books never existed. These authors don't owe me anything. I'm grateful for the time I've had in the worlds they've built. I'm not going to tell wizards how wizarding needs to be done or how fast they need to move. Wizards arrive precisely when they mean to.
I agree, it really irks me when people feel like writers "owe" them something. GRRM is not your slave, it's just a guy like you and I. The way I see it, artists are people that are just writing their own thing, or drawing or making films, and then they publish it, and if you like it you can go there and see it. There's no relationship of "owing" something to the fans.
And if the wizard never arrives? What if the wizard begins casting a spell, weaving dazzling colors and patterns before your eyes, mesmerizing you, until you are bursting with curiosity and wonderment, your entire being fixed in anticipation of what the spell will be... when all the lights and sounds cease in an instant and you hear only the sound of a sharp, quiet fart.
George should just have the balls to say "im sorry, but I lost interest in the main story and want to do other things like world build" but instead he keeps yanking our chains. His problem is his style of writing, "gardening" well it got away from the gardener, he was trying to do too much with too many people and you can tell in the books when it got away from.
I think the problem is that he has so many storylines going, this is the book where they have to come together. He's clearly getting older and slowing down, but I suspect Spring will be faster because the really hard questions are in Winter.
I was doing a re-read recently and I was thinking "He has so many threads and plot lines going, there's no way in hell he's going to be able to tie it all up in 2 books. Allot can happen in two books, but I didn't feel like he was working toward a close. If anything it keeps expanding as he goes.
I have this small idea.. With how GOT blew up, it rushed GRRM out of how he had done everything up until that point. Pushing him out of how we normally wrote. Meaning his work suffered ( With taking longer, not how good it was ) And then all the question, and people saying he will never finish, how he would die long before he ever finished. Every forum about GOT and A song of Ice and Fire, would be about the book he could not finish. And I think it annoyed him like hell. And I could see with how he thinks, and how he view things ( At least how I understand him, with my limited understanding ) I have this idea Winds of Winter is pretty much done. Have been for some time. No doubt it was delayed, and he have rewritten alot. But I do think he might have finished it around 2020 mark. He might still do a little this or that. But I just have this idea he is not gonna release it in spite. " So people say it wont be done before I am dead, tss " So now the books will be finished, and ready. And then when he dies hopefully far in the future, or people stop hawking him about it. It will be realsed. Including the Spring book after Winds of Winter. I do think they are sort of ready, and have been for some time. And also. No sane person, who cares about story telling will ever thing the Tv shows ending will be the better. Drones who watch Transformers 57 and think its amazing, and cant wait for the new Spiderman with the 11 actor making his 4th film about the same topic the 10 actors before him did. Those people might like the badly written and unconnected story those two Hollywood writers blended together. Because they dont care about lore, or the story or how its connected, they just want to see a sword and a dragon, it does not need to make sense to that group. But that is not really what A song of Ice and Fire is. its lore, and story telling and connections througout a world that all lead to the same crossroad.
He just can't connect all the subplots. He dug a hole to deep. Well, he could start wrapping up some but would be very unfulfilling. He hit a historic writing block due to expectations of the show and how bad the reception was to the ending. Even though the show ending wasn't what he intended. It still built the pressure because people expect him to correct what HBO did and there is no way he can wrap up his story in 2 books.
@@krischanlive That is fair you think that. And it has become one of the things he later stated as an issue himself. So it might be the truth. As I stated, I just have this idea in the back of the head. Its impossible to really know its true.
@@CJR-89 So we agree there is no hope to see the ending of ASOIAF saga, wich was my point. I suppose we finally would get "Winds of Winter" a few years into the future, but its obvious that with the amount of time George Martin writing process requieres a 7th book posibility is unrealistic
If there's one good thing that hopefully comes outta the ongoing Writers & Actors Strike, it will hopefully be George finally finishing the dam Book #6. George has no excuses this time around as he himself recently revealed that all of his HBO projects like the in development Egg & Dunk show have been postponed because of the strike & the strike is expected to last a long time. Season #2 of House of The Dragon thankfully wrapped up filming before the strike began but Season #3 ain't starting production anytime soon also because of the strike. Thanks to the strike, George now officially has a ton of free time that he previously didn't have before because he was always extremely busy & focused on all his HBO committments so now is the time that he should be taking full advantage of the situation that has just presented itself to him & proceed to sit down in front of his computer to finally finish The Winds of Winter and get it ready for a 2024 launch. Heck I'm praying big-time that the real reason that George has been taking 12 frickin' years to write The Winds of Winter is because he is in fact writing both Winds of Winter AND A Dream of Spring back to back. Finish the dam story now George.
I wonder whether the 7 book limitation GRRM has placed on himself for this series is part of the hold up. The story is huge and with so many sub plots it is hard to comprehend how he will wrap it all up in two more books especially considering his extraordinary attention to details. I would not be surprised if more than two more are needed.
@@vorkzen4172 Yes I understand the size of the future books. However, considering the number of main plots and sub-plots, it is reasonable to consider GRRM might need more than the two planned books even at 2000 pages each.
@@willowflowerchild maybe we don't know but in 1-2 years wow be release I think and we see what is story avancement and if 2000p last page is enough to end properly. (Sorry for my english not my first language)
@@vorkzen4172 Yes that’s a good point. Once we get WoW that should give us enough info to know if the story can be wrapped up fully in A Dream of Spring :)
He's clearly too afraid to write the ending because the way he probably wanted to write it changed based on how the show played out. He can't come up with an ending that satisfies everyone, so he's stuck and can't commit to an ending.
He said after the finale that Bran would be king in the book if he ever finished it and people got mad so we'll never see it now. He really threw D&D under the bus for S8 cuz people were mad. He pretended he had little to do with the writing process and was constantly overruled which is completely untrue. I actually didn't mind S8 other than Bran being king and a couple other smaller complaints. Most of what happened was foreshadowed from the beginning, other than Bran, which I didn't understand at all.
See I don't mind alot of what happend in S8 in theory. Dany going mad, bran being king etc. Could all work in a book where things are given time and happen gradually and we can see people's thoughts. It was just ludicrously fast and out of no where in the show
From my my knowledge of grr I don't think he's cares about what the audience wants it's what he wants for the ending and I do agree the show messed up the ending for him and he can't come up with a great ending for winds of winter.... He still has a dream of spring to start too.
@alice-caraline912 I don't know, from many interviews he comes across as not very confident and spends quite a bit of time second guessing himself. If he didn't care my guess is that he would have finishes a while ago. But today he doesn't know how to close the story.
I'd rather wait and be gripped than be disappointed. I'm thinking because the dance of the dragon has been a hit, and we are all hungry for the next season, it will give him more confidence to finish the winds of winter. Don't be scared, George, we got you
"I'd rather wait and be gripped than be disappointed." And there you have it. The reason you won't see the end. He could have given you a bad ending a long time ago. Any ending, even one GRRM finishes on his 111th birthday, could be disappointing. But an unfinished masterpiece... is still a masterpiece by definition.
I think this is what finally breaks me caring if it comes out or not After s5-8 of the show being a real let down I was hoping to read a hopefull/better ending but he can’t even finish WOW never mind dream of springs 😢
That were my exact thoughts back in 2014 when I read the books for the first time, and after that again in 2018 when I read them for a second time 😁 I just started reading them for a third time ... Unfortunately this time I am not so optimistic..
He might release it next year. HOTD is doing well. Dunk and Egg will be popular. It’s a good time to release a Westeros novel with positive publicity around.
Is it crazy to think that alot of the story stayed parallel to what he had already written in the book and due to public reaction he has had to go back to the drawing board. Even if he had no hard copy he at the very least a rough outline or at the very least a vision of what winds of winter would be.
This is a good theory but doesn’t explain why the book didn’t come out ten years ago like he said. Still the fact the people hated Arya Whacking the NK and Bran ending up on the throne says a lot. And I’m not about Arya but definitely Bran ending up on the throne is the bitter sweet ending he had in mind. On the other hand though he really might have just made too big of a story to finish and keeps re writing
What we know: he said he only wrote a few chapters during covid. Said he was too busy even during lockdowns. He focused on the prequel show. He said he doesn’t give a F if he dies before he finishes and we’re upset. If he’s dying he has a bigger problem. He gave hbo a basic plot summary to end the show. Just a rough small outline in case he did die and not finish it. So while the book and show are definitely different (some characters alive and dead in the other versions) and while hbo didn’t do a great job with the last season it basically was a rough draft of his ending. He said the last season is bad but the ending of dany going crazy is realistic, they just needed a few more seasons to flesh it out and make it more believable. Lending credit to his ending being similar.
Damn these comments are so harsh. I understand those of us that read the book but we have to remember we never know what’s happening in a persons life and he probably doesnt want to put out a shitty book that’s why it’s taking him so long. He knows a lot of us were disappointed with the show. He’s a busy man some of us don’t have as much as this man has to do, and we can’t even get our basic needs done so don’t judge so hard.
I’m trying so hard to be patient. I wanna read it so bad. But it’s going on 14 years now. Another huge time span of 5-10 years and I probably would just give up that point and wouldn’t even care.
@@kev792you say that now but when it comes out you’ll have something to look forward. I could never stop caring I love the books and the show even if for some reason their disappointing the books give you more wiggle room to see what will happen and are way more interesting then the show the honestly.
@@Midnightqueen93 Right now I care and want to read it. But if it’s another 5-10 years like I mentioned I probably wouldn’t even care at that point. The main point is that it’s already 14 years overdue. It would’ve been different if this year was the release date and there was a 10 year delay.
I wish he would refrain from saying useless stuff. We know he is not finished. We know he wished to write faster and we know he is still far from the mark. Nothing has changed, right?
I think there is no rush finishing these books when he makes more helping write these HBO shows, so until that well drys up its not going to be done. If HBO stops making shows based off what he has written or calls him about a show, guaranteed less then a year...Winds is out
He needs to hire a team of Writers that are fans of the series and have them help him finish the series. They can sit in a conference room and bounce ideas off each other. I bet GRRM with 3-5 writers would blast through Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring way faster than GRRM thinks they could. He could then use that same team to write the full story of Dunk & Egg and The Blackfyre Rebellions.
One thing i like about GRR Martin is that he doesn't pressure himself into anything...he wake up everyday and live life as it comes...For his age no pressure cuz if anything happens to him life will go on anyway 😅
Either Martin has a release date for that unicorn or he doesn't, everything else regarding it is just so much BS. Release date or fuckin forget it, I won't be reading another word of his because that's all I care about. I've already given up on even hoping for book 6. It's never getting released, at least not in my life-time.
I wonder if the 7 book outline is causing a lot of the issues. In that case just change it to 8, 9 or however many it takes just give us books to read :D
Around 13:50 he says Areo Hotah wasn’t on the show but I thought we saw him briefly as the Dornish king’s bodyguard. He was a big guy, AfroBritish or African American actor. I could’ve sworn that was him.
@@chink-xina he captured both Jamie and Bronn and the three ridiculous Sand Snakes. He was killed later when Doran Martel was killed by Ellaria and Sand Snakes.
We know you're a perfectionist when it comes to worldbuilding but come on now sir it's been a decade since the fifth book was released 😢 guess _A Dream of Spring_ will remain a dream
I have 2 theories here 1st optimistically he is just writing winds and D.O.S. at the same time to be done with it. 2nd he has written himself into so many corners he is having trouble bringing all the storylines together or to a conclusion so he is discouraged and given up.
Imagine being so astronomically rich that you can put your bread and butter work on the back burner. George. We may or may not have a Misery situation here if you don’t get to cracking on this book 😉
The release of The Winds of Winter is the story that we keep telling ourselves, over and over... until we forget that it is a lie. 💪😭🍤
😅😅😂😂😂
Hui hui hui 😄 😝
And what do we have left once we abandon the lie? Chaos! A gaping pit waiting to swallow us all!
😂😂😂 💀 ⚰️
Haha!!! Brilliant!
I'm still of the mind that we are GRRM's greatest story of tragedy. Being given one of the greatest stories ever told...with no end.
The real never ending story
That’s actually pretty poetic.
What's even tragic is it is not due to the author's sudden death or something unforseen, it is entirely cuz of his severe procastination and pathological perfectionism issue
@@jasperl.1721 all part of his ingenius masterpiece. We are now the ones who will lose the game of thrones. hahahaha...sigh...
@@avernion his greatest masterpiece yet
I really think that he is very apprehensive/fearful of finishing the series because of the reaction to the show and people's high expectations for the books ending . He's writing and rewriting it seems endlessly. He's also got many other projects in the pipeline.
All I can say is, I really hope that not only he lives to finish it but that I live to read it!
Didn't he defend the ending of the show, though?
@@TheFLAMEXDThe show is tied to him he's not going to publicly trash it
@@TheFLAMEXD I'm sure he has also said that his ending will be different to the show finale.
@@ciaranmck4469 He's openly trashed things before.
Same here. I'm getting on a little bit... It's not only the writer that needs to live long enough... 🤣
I think the real Winds of Winter is the friends we made along the way.
This is so depressing, I have to laugh not to cry.
The White Walkers should take over all of Westeros due to mankind's pride and arrogance while they were fighting amongst themselves for the Iron Throne. Those who barely managed to escape would've fled across the Narrow Sea 🌊
That made me laugh. Thanks. I wonder whether it will take until 2031 ?
To sum it up: for more than 10 years he has been writing a lot. Yet he is not close to being done.
Cannot wait to get my hands on this 6000 page book! :D
Look up the definition of a rewrite. If you think Lord of the rings was written in one go within a few weeks, you kbow as much about writing as I know about operating an F16.
@@sebastianb.3978- Dude, stop.
@@sebastianb.3978 I'm a writer. He's been procrastinating for ten years, full stop.
@@sebastianb.3978 🤡
@@jaredouimette1 to be fair, he also involves in many projects and tv shows.
I was introduced to the Song of Ice and Fire in July 2011; a friend of mine who enjoyed fantasy had the new hardcover and was excited to read it. We were much younger and had our whole lives ahead of us. "His ETA for the next one being released in about 2015," he told me then, "I imagine we'll both probably be married by then, our own places. Seems far off, but we'll be reading the next one before we know it."
It's now 2023. That was twelve years ago, me and my friend sitting in that dingy apartment. He was correct, we both married our girlfriends; he had a ten year marriage with his and divorced. I'm a father now, our own homes, completely different lives. Had The Winds of Winter released in 2015, when the deadline was, he and I would have still been close and would have read it together. Now, our lives have swept us away and we no longer are in contact.
The full duration of a long friendship a ten-year marriage have come and gone, and Martin has still not released TWOW. When my friend and I had that conversation in that dingy apartment in 2011, not a single cast member had been cast in the not yet produced Game of Thrones TV show; now that show is completely finished, an entire eight season show built from the ground up, andMartin has still not released TWOW.
Time flies man
😢 damn...
wow
Yeah that's why I gave up and won't read it either he finishes it or not. I've lost interest
@@PlanetToca thats a bit depressing. Hopefully you'll change your mind when it finally comes out
Back in 2020 I was finishing my thesis and it was some of the most gut wrenching, anxiety inducing months of my life, it came to a point where I couldn't even open my laptop without entering into panic, I designed and broke my project apart again and again, frankly the one time I can consider i made any progress was 3 days before the final presentation and even after that I wasn't happy with the result
That's when I thought about GRRM, the pressure to deliver and then the response from the public is on levels none of us will ever understand. I just wish he's happy on what he's doing and I've already accepted we are never getting A Dream of Spring
Wonder if the pressure would ease if he released what he's written as part one? Publishers and readers would be so busy reading the book, he could continue at his own pace
That would be so cool. The chapters he already published are very good, especially theons, sansas/jeynes and victarions.
I live in germany and here all the asoiaf books got published in 2 versions: a big version (the normal books but in german) and a more popular version with each book having 2 parts. So for me it would be pretty normal to buy one half and later the other one😂
That's literally what the author James Patterson told George RR Martin months ago. George said that "I Have 1,200 pages finished and still have 500 pages to go". And James Patterson said, dude, it's been over 12 years, if it's taking so long to write those last 500 pages then split the book you have now into 2, and the books will still be the same length as the rest of the books in series and the fans will be happy they don't have to wait and then the fan will get another book in 1 or 2 years and be even happier than before. It is a win win.
The author then went on to say, that is probably your best option George, and I mean think about it practically a 1,700 page book is barely even physically possible anyway, that is just way too big, so you have 2 choices to either cut down the story OR you can split the book into 2 and the books would still be just as long as the rest of the series and the fans would be happy and then the fans would be even happier when they get anothed book again after 1 or 2 years which will give them more hope about a dream of spring.
I had the theory that two books is not enough to end the story as he originally planned: 1/3 starks vs lannister, 2/3 the war of the dragons, 3/3 the war with the others. The original plan has changed for sure but it seems George want to write at least two books together. it would be a great solution to publish aWoW asap and a second part in few years (i mean 2 or less). He even had a great title: a time for wolves.
@@dragonwargit would be awesome if the wings of winter isn't enough to finish the story
At least give us a 900 page book and then go for another approximately 900 page book. But he keeps saying "This is the biggest book of them all." And seems so proud of it. Like he almost can't release it in 2 parts. It wouldn't be his biggest book ever.
He asked Stephen King how he wrote a book so fast. He told him I sit down and I write a hundred pages a day. (He'd be done in 5 days.) Hence how Stephen cranks them out. If George did that he would have been done 10 years ago. Same with A Dream of Spring.
At this point is the book going to be so long it's cutting into ADOS? Or will it be like movies that are too long and could have been 30 min shorter?
I love George but as time goes on, you can tell he's got into his own head. What the fans, critics, agents, studio heads, publishers, etc.. What they want, what they expect to happen, the build up and hype and the *expectations* surrounding his masterpiece. And that statement in itself is part of that, we see ASOIAF as a masterpiece and George wants to live up to that expectation. Factor in the explosion of popularity and fanfare since "Game of Thrones" and the show itself also plays into how he writes.
It's a mixture of a LOT of things and George is probably at his wits end. I personally believe that *we will see The Winds of Winter* be released, but not for a long time. And I honestly don't believe that ASOIAF will ever be finished. I believe The Show had essentially gutted his passion for his books, as the show was the peak of television and the most popular show since Breaking Bad and The Sopranos. Literally millions of millions of people watched the show, so reading a book and having it go an entirely different way, it'll be a shell-shock.
And let's be honest, the man is 74. Even if his passion was at its fullest, his age will slow him down on his writing. If it takes another 2-4 years for The Winds of Winter, he'll be 76-78. Then if it takes another 2-10 years? You never know with George R. R. Martin.
Also hard for his passion to be at his fullest when you have a bunch of rabid fans, tearing him to shreds and expecting that will somehow get him all enthusiastic to finish.
@@conors4430- I have never been one of his fans but I have the feeling that those who still are aren't tearing Martin up at all. Even the most optimistic and delusional have given up.
I have given up. It also can’t help he uses that idiotic old word document software
I doubt he will be able to finish the series. Once WoW is released he will take a good break I’m sure and by the time he starts working on A Dream of Spring he will be into his 80’s. If he needs 10 or more years he would be well into his 90’s by then. As someone who works with the elderly I have watched seemingly healthy octogenarians just suddenly decline and mentally fit 85 year olds develop dementia just 2 years later If Martin is already struggling to keep track of all the strands of the story and the large cast of characters it will be even more difficult for him as time goes on. ASOIAF will never be finished.
We can hope he brings in a younger author to help bring the next book along and complete in case of the worst.
The “Long Night” continues…
I read the entire series back in highschool in 2016, the last book had come out when I was a kid so I figured that I could get to read Winds sometime in college.
I loved the series, even got a map of Westeros for my dorm, ended up taking it down when the show ended like it did. Covid came and went I graduated and completely forgot about the series.
So I’m a adult, well into my career. Over half a lifetime has past for me and this guy is still working on this goddamn book.
Imagine people who were reading the A Song of Ice and Fire when first book was published, back in 1996. Then college kids now are approaching their fifties...
@@Harahvaiti That's me only I was in high school, now early 40s. A Game of Thrones was recommended to me in '96 by a guy at Barnes and Noble after I told him I had just finished Lord of the Rings. He said it was like that book only more subversive, and told me the main character died as proof. Such a twat. Thankfully it was hard to tell exactly who the main character was.
If 'Winds' comes out in three years it'll have been 30 years since I started reading the series- and not even the final book!
Maybe it will end up like the Chicago Cubs. Generations’ childhoods will come and pass and still they will not have read the Winds of Winter
My dude, you're not an adult well into your career if you were in high school in 2016. You're still a baby 😂 but I get your point. 😋
@@seanking1775I feel like subversion of Tolkien was his motivation, but “tits and wine” only get one so far and so the motivation faded.
I have mixed feelings about the situation, part of me agrees that it takes however long it takes to write it. Its his story, but if he was never working on it or had major writers block he should not have led fans on thinking the book was right around the corner
He just needs to be honest. He needs to tell people he doesn't want to finish it. It's fine if you don't have the passion for it but be honest
Like he said in the video, he is only making an estimate, he isn’t trying to lead us on, when he says he might be nearly done it’s because he thinks he is, but he doesn’t actually know and things can get complicated
@@aminaa5824 In mid to late 2010s he said he had dozens of chapters finished. Let's say that means 36 chapters, that's like half of the book maybe 2/5. Recently he said that he like a thousand pages maybe I forget exactly. The book is going to be over 1500 pages so he's what 2/3 done maybe less. It doesn't make sense unless completely started over or he wasn't doing any writing. You have all the sample chapters already done that what 15-20 chapters
I think he wrote himself into a corner and doesn't know how to finish because he keeps adding sub plots and new characters late in the story like in "Dance". Sometimes simplicity is better. To be honest Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons were a slog to get through. Entire chapters would just grind to a halt with nothing going on. Stephen King has this issue too.
Why people keep asking? Is clear he will not finish it, is not an issue about writing but will, he has no will to finish it, he keep putting other books ahead and even bringing new book ideas ahead of the WoW book. This is text book example of someone who struggles to close a story.
100% agree with you. Yet I find many of the TH-cam channels dedicated to the books more entertaining and better than the show and books.
Because he keeps saying “This Year, Next Year”. I’m sure alot less would bug him if he didn’t say that.
I think it’s not will it’s that he has no idea how to get to the finish logically and that the response to Dan And Dave’s ending has him petrified about his legacy. It’s just sad because they had so much content they cut that could
have kept the series going for a few more years. It makes no sense that they wanted to move into a new project.
@@bloodaonadeline8346only issue he's dropped hints before he had no intention on finishing before the show ended.
He has compared himself to tolken too many times and tolkens unfinished work.
During a comic Con event
stated how nobody got upset that tolkens work wasn't finished.
Apparently the fact that Tolkien had a full-time job and writing books was not even his first hobby
went over Martin's head
@@anissafogel868could you please recommend some of these channels?
Waiting for Winds of Winter is like dreaming of spring
I figure if we get the rest of the series it will be a Wheel of Time situation where another author will finish it using GRRM’s notes.
At this point I'd pay $1000 for the book.
I won't support anymore of GRRMs work till I get it. It's his right to not finish it. And my right to abandon all other works
Exactly what I said to my BFF when she asked if I had read HotD. I'll definitely watch whatever on HBO if it's good quality. But the next book I'm reading by GRRM is WoW...
@@gidorah- This is a common misconception. People don't stop consuming other GRRM'S works to pressure him to finish at least the sixth book. That's nonsense, they haven't got the power to do so.
People don't boycott the author, they stop immersing themselves in something they have no influence on and know will never be finished.
They stop being invested and are emotionally distancing themselves as an act of let's say self-care. And that's the best thing they can do. And the only thing.
I'm just preying hes been holding of and getting material ready for songs of spring otherwise we're never getting it 😅
@@saymyname2417 I disagree. Commercial motivation, professional respect, admiration for creating a masterpiece are all motivations. If that doesn't motivate him then if all other works being Boycotted is another motivation. I mean you wouldn't rebook a caterer who quits halfway through service would you? They lose business. This art is also a business.
So as a consumer I'm acting on my right to not rebook him... He may not give a f. It's certainly understandable. Yet my position remains the same
George R.R. Martin: the Doran Martell in real life. He lives a rich lifestyle in an arid climate, overlooks a swimming pool, keeps his secrets too well, and his plans blow up in his face...just like Doran.
I'm convinced that he has abandoned work on his Magnum Opus; what could've gone down in history as a major accomplishment will now be remembered, if it is remembered at all, as an abandoned work of something that could've been great, but stumbled and fell quite short
All these TV shows he is working on will be forgotten the moment they are done; they don't carry the same gravitas as something like his completed Magnum Opus would carry
And George has the gall to talk smack about Lord of the Rings. Say what you will about Tolkien's stories, at least he *finished* his legacy--and created a whole new genre in the process. I suspect few if any people still think Winds of Winter--let alone Dream of Spring--will actually be releasing in George's lifetime.
Yeah, imagine if Tolkien had just stopped after Two Towers and spent all of his time writing the supporting texts
If he wrote ONE PAGE PER DAY over the past nine years...that book would be 3,285 pages.
I would say that 1 whole page per may is more than you think. Considering it's not as simple as just writing, he has to think about what he is writing, plan ahead etc. It would basically be asking him to work a full 9-5, which is asking a lot for somebody that just doesn't need too. On the other hand, even if expecting him dedicate that amount of time every day is too much, expecting that as an overall average with him taking other time to plan and having spouts where rights a lot more than one page then takes a break doesn't seem that bad.
One page per day but he rewrites it everyday. LOL.
Writing is not a linear process.
@@frederickpatino4117or destroys it and starts over again
@@AVerySillySausage so many people are opposed to the concept of discipline
The sad part is that even if we finally get Winds of Winter theres still a whole other book left to wait for. 😭
I swear to god, If I die before George finishes and releases winds of winter I’m going to float to Santa Fe and haunt him for the rest of his life. The only times I will give him peace is when he’s writing the last asoiaf books. The rest of his life will be one giant nightmare
He is 74 years old odds are he is gonna die before this book gets released he has been saying the same thing about how he is almost done for like 15 years.
we will thank you for your service 🤣
@@alucard8433
I know. It’s fckd up. I’ve invested almost 20 years into reading this series and now the chances of seeing the end of it are almost non existent. And that’s annoying . People can say “it’s his life to do as he wants. If he doesn’t wanna finish the books that’s up to him.”
But I kind of disagree. He put out all those books getting us invested emotionally and financially. And I’ve invested decades of time. He owes us these books. No one can persuade me otherwise.
@@BeneathTheGold "The chance of seeing the end is almost nonexistent." Almost? Oh, you sweet summer child.
I'll give you one caveat. You won't see *the* end, but surely you'll see *an* end. Or hundreds. Let's hope there's a Mozart level artistic genius fan-fic writer out there. 😅
@@Genarii 😂😂😂👌
I feel for the guy.
Big projects could be overwhelming and the pressure of this one must be at the point of making diamonds!
I am disappointed of course, but more so by trying to understand him and his circumstances, i cant help but feel more encouraged that he is still trying despite everything.
@@keithhanisek2465 you are still here, aren't you?
@@keithhanisek2465 ? were you born with a disability?
@@mum-yourironically the “disability” I see is hanging on to the word that this charlatan to finish his book. I’m sure it’s just around the corner
I hope to be alive when the next book drops.
I think we run more of a risk of George not surviving the wait
My daughter didn't want to read it until WoW was out. I told her she would be 35 by the time that happened. She was 29 at the time. 😅
We were laughing about it because she even said he'd die with the series unfinished. And maybe she and I could write it together. (Since we are writers) She passed shortly thereafter in October of last year.
I hope Martin is too.
George won't finish it. I know he doesn't want anyone to finish it if he passes but I hope someone does. He
@@gamer2101 Like I said before. Someone had chat AI write up WoW and ADoS already. I have them up on my computer so I can read them. I'm going to save them for myself for after he writes them or passes.. to read them to see what the computer decided.
As much as I am a fan of GoT, I would have to reread most of the series to remember where he left off a decade ago. That's a big commitment to a writer that I don't feel is that committed to his fans. I'm opting out myself 🤷♂️
lol entitled!
Who cares that you're opting out tbh. Good. GRRM doesn't owe you anything. It's his book and his world. He can take as long as he wants because its HIS. He could've quite easily rushed the book because his 'fans' were pressuring him but no hes still writing so it's the best it can be. That shows it's his passion and it has to be perfect, not some thing that has to be finished immediately so entitled pricks like you can be satisfied. Wake up. It's not about you
Same. D & D cured my of my obsession with the show, and now George has cured me of my obsession with the books. Thanks, guys!
You'll re-read the whole thing if WoW is released ans you know it 😂
i'm big brain so I started book 1 this year. I'm a slow reader and will interval each book with other books so I hope that by the time I read DoD he will release the WoW
After GoT (which it took me 3 months to read) I just ended American Gods
Tonight I will start A Clash of Kings. I think either Foundation part I or Watchmen will be following up in my readings :P
I wish they would do an animated series of A Song Of Ice And Fire. And leave nothing out. However they’d probably pass him up too.
I can’t imagine the amount of pressure he has on him. Very few authors have that level of expectation put on them. I almost wonder if he’ll write it all, but not have it published till after he’s gone
Imagine thinking for one second the show could ever be better than the novels 😂😂😂
I mean it had an ending so it's immediately better
Season 1 and 2 were on par but not better
I will say alot of Jon's storyline on the wall were done way better in the show
@@longling194 the ending was terribly executed and extremely rushed, though, with so many questiosn left unanswered... so that's not really a compelling argument 🤐
It wasn't better even in its prime
Honestly, I can't blame him.
It must be an unimaginable amount of pressure seeing your work get so massive and so highly regarded and feeling you have to write an ending that lives up to that expectation.
And obviously, seeing the reaction to the shows ending probably didn't help.
Honestly, I'm fine with however long it takes him and even if he never finishes, as long as he keeps writing it his way and hopefully enjoying it. After all, I doubt he'll be giving us his best if he's writing unenthusiastically and under a timeline that doesn't work for him.
@@tbbcch1039 and once you deliver the cheese, people will realize that the cow is dead so no more milking.
Wrong. GRRM does NOT write to appease fans. He has said this several times. He's extremely critical of writers who write for the audience rather than for themselves. He's struggling because of how massive these books are. They are several books in one.
@@GreenFalcon926 ". He's struggling because of how massive these books are. They are several books in one."
He's struggling because he keeps too many unecessary parallel plots and now cannot manage to sew them together properly to make them even make sense to exist in the first place.
And no, they don't write for themselves, if they did, they would keep it locked in a safe in their homes instead of publishing. This is a fine example of hypocrisy.
"Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans"
- John Lennon
The greatest story never told
It’s getting to that point, he’s getting older and older and I can’t imagine he’s in the best of health
@@WhoIsRuccaz yup then the excuse will be he has to focus on his health before writing the books,,
GRRM has taken great note from politicians on how to shuck and jive in interviews when giving solid answers about this book. I’ve stopped optimistically looking for the final release of WoW but now I look for his latest “I’m almost there but nowhere close” and “hey I’m gardening and loved Barbie” posts.
Because he doesn’t know ya dingus. Writing is not a linear process. You just can’t give a reliable estimate for a creative work like that, at least not if it’s going to be any good.
He released House of the dragon which takes place 100 years before a song of ice and fire. To George he just gave himself another 100 years to catch up to Winds of Winter.:P
Could I please ask before watching the video, was there actually any real updates on WoW?
@@rosita3528 Nope I think it was just every promise he made and never kept.
@@josephlamonica4167 thank you
Honestly, at this point. More than WoW and DoS being released-which may be unlikely-I just want him to drop his writing/plot notes. I get that while he would write, he may stray away, but I just need *something* - at least get answers to the big plot questions and the prophecies, etc. just lore questions for me.
What is likely to happen with the last book if something bad happened to George then I think someone else would write the last book using his notes, like Tolkien's son and much of the legendarium
@@Draconianoverlord55 I'm not sure if this might happen, IIRC, I think George said he didn't want anyone else to finish his work? (Or I may be mistaking it for another author). But in any case, I would accept that option, too. But I would much accept his notes. 🤣
I am sure he’s getting close.
I kind of understand. He wants to make something good. A feast for crows and dance with dragons weren’t as good as CoK or SoS but if he can tie everything together, it will be amazing. I think he’s got the right idea.
Honestly, the older I get the more I appreciate AFFC
Nah dance was better than acok famalam
It's not because of that, these are just excuses. He can't finish the book, because of several likely factors related to his tv involvement, the current toxic political environment that surrounds him and of course what happened with season 8.
@@hez859 Yeah I really appreciate 400 pages of Brienne walking around aimlessly, doing nothing 🙄🙄🙄. Shut up.
I think the re-writing is what takes him so long. He could have probably released 3-4 versions of the book, but none of these would be satisfactory for him. And I understand and respect that. I once was working on a painting for three month only to completely overthrow it 5 days before the deadline. He is after all an artist and in my mind one of the greatest yet in his field.
I just have this one wish that he won‘t suffer bad health or even die before finishing his series. Even if it comes out 2035. If it is the version he is content with I am ready to wait because boy oh boy this guy will deliver, I assure you that.
By my calculations, Winds release date: Sometime between late 2026 - early 2027.
Dream of Spring?!? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 FAT CHANCE. The guy's barely gonna be able to get out of bed. He should call it "A Pipe Dream of Spring"
A few years ago I was afraid of his age, now I started to fear my own age too. I am in late forties, don't considered young anymore and faced the fear of my mortality. Time seems to speed up with every year and anything can happen, even if George will finish it a lot of the fans won't live long enough.
I strongly disagree some thing George is masterful at characters as for plotting not really.
@@SelectiveApathy82
Well...
In any case. I think Winds will be released sooner or later and ADOS won't solely be released by GRRM. I guess he will leave his notes and someone else will finish the job eventually. Although it will be hard to find a person who even comes close to his genius writing capabilities.
@@MortredMaul He's already said he will never let another person finish ASOIAF, but I suppose that could change when he's 80 and close to full-on dementia.
In the year 2929 star citizen officially launches & the george martin AI anounced good progress on the eve of the second century of the creation of the Dream of Spring after the long anticipated release of the Winds of Winter, it's a shame people went extinct 400 years ago, I'm sure they would have liked it.
he better have a journa about how he wants to end the story or tell a friend how he wants to story to go just in case he dies. Oda the author of One Piece has already thought about him dying before finishing the story so he told his writing crew how the story will end and how he wants it to end. This is what GRR needs to do. Dont be like Miuara the author of berserk that didn't leave no clues on how he wanted Berserk how to finish
The author of Berserk Miura did have notes and a general idea of how the story will end that he left behind. His studio and personal friend are continuing the story adhering to said notes.
Miura actually told the end of the story to Koji Mori who is a great mangaka and one of the closest friends of Miura. Now he is completing the manga with studio gaga, the assistant of Miura and they're doing a great job.
He told the end to Dan and Dave lol if you beleive anything else you are fooling yourself!
im with you i hope he has notes because i dont think he will ever finish it he has to many irons in the fire so to speak.
He has lore masters that helps him with continuity etc. He even mentions their help.
I hate to be grim about this stuff but there’s no way we will ever see George r r martins a dream of spring. I mean the winds prob won’t be out til 2024 or maybe 2025, sadly that’s being optimistic, I just don’t believe Martin will live another 30 years to be able to get winds and dream done and out. Hopefully Martin has everything outlined so that a successor could pick up the pieces and get dream of spring out, but it’ll never be martins book.
I wish he’d just decide to make winds a double book, release what he’s got done now and then he can release the second part in a year or 2
A Dream of Spring would take him way less time for sure. Winds of Winter will kill a lot of characters, who make it more complex to finish, at least according to this video.
I'm just hoping the reason it's taking him this long to finish The winds of winter is because he is writing both books (winds of winter and a dream of spring) simultaneously and he plans to release them both at the same time😅
I hope that's the case. This has gotten so frustrating for him I can imagine he wants to get it over with already. But I fear not even TWOW will be released any time soon
That would be fantastic! However, I won't be holding my breath. Nor do I believe Geoege has done any such thing
Didn't he say somewhere that he is not doing that?
One can only hope
Bless your heart. What inspiring optimism.
About this garden.
George once entered his garden had a dozen small but promising plants. He cultivated it perfectly over the years. But at some point there was a change, he started buying lots of smaller plants. Thus, from the beautiful composition of a bonsai master, his garden began to resemble a wilderness that had outgrown him.
He keeps expanding the story instead of moving towards the end. I love this world and the nuances, full of diverse characters, stories, however, I have the feeling that GRRM does not know how to finish such a multitude of plots.
Best guess is 5 years, barring incidents, we might see Winds. Dream of Spring is just that IMHO -- I don't see it coming out but it is what it is.
I asked Brandon Sanderson at Tampa Bay Comic-Con 2023 if he'd take over the series. He said "Nope, not touching that one." And just to be clear, I was joking when I asked the question.
Makes sense though. Based on the sex and graphic violence in A Song of Fire and Ice, Sanderson’s religion (LDS Church) doesn’t permit him to write that level of adult content
Perhaps Joe Abercrombie would be the one to finnish it? What do you think?
Ridiculous question. You asked another author in a public forum if he’d be willing to finish the most popular fantasy series of the 21sr century, someone else’s work- which implicitly means “hey since we both acknowledge GRRM is old and going to die, would you mind picking up the slack?” That’s just straight up rude. Glad to hear he had the class not to provide an answer.
@janomerzo2058 I would hate that. Let Joe Abercrombie continue expanding on his First Law series and other original work. Phenomenal writer that just needs to focus on his legacy. Joe is a generational talent in my opinion
Hmm
He wanted to subvert expectations with ASOF and this is the ultimate representation of that. You expect an ending to this sprawling story and guess what? This book just like life has no end.
True. He has written himself over the edge. There is no way to concisely wrap this up.
Meanwhile, George issues the 500th volume of Wildcards...
I find it all a bit ridiculous really. How can it take this long to write a book you have already started/know where is heading. He isn't writing it because he doesn't want to. He is busy doing other projects.
Yes, he has other projects, but asoiaf has a big world with complex characters and character pov chapters, that's not easy. Especially danys chapter needed a lot of work
@@Traisas very true, and especially ending a story in a way where it ia apot on can be really really tough.
Trauma. The experience of DandD butchering GOT is causing some trauma based avoidance issue lol
@@FrankeNamensKarimDanny's POV isn't even necessary to the story. Imo her story should've been released after the main story as a prequel. Same with Aryas time in braavos. The story doesn't need all the convoluted side quests
ASOIAF is his Magnum Opus; I don't get why he doesn't put 100% effort into completing it. It means the difference between him going down in history or just being another forgotten writer; I'm talking 100 years from now, if he had a completed series, I'm sure it would be thought of as a massive achievement. Or it can be just an abandoned work
I wish he would just pass the story on to someone who still cares about it and will actually write. There are plenty of competent authors out there willing to take on this great world. I’m literally at the point where I have just assumed he’s never going to finish this book, let alone the series.
I'd rather find the series unfinished and give it a proper ending inside my head than seeing it torn apart in some mediocre writer's hands. Let's face it, Martin is genious where the others are just meh.
@@sedakoc6686 I’m sure plenty of people said the same about Wheel if Time. There are authors that you and I have never heard of that are truly incredible
@@bayazwow Robert Jordan is kind of an idiot, though. He had no idea about women nor politics 🤣
great point…it’s what George Lucas finally did (and should have done 30 years earlier) with the Star Wars universe. I’m certain there are many talented GoT writer/enthusiasts who could do great things with that world.
@@sedakoc6686get real, George it's that mediocre now, he Lost his touch, just like a musician that once released great hits he started to wrote crap fue to lazyness, greedy, other interest and such, he's just lying at this point and just hyping a Big wall of smoke for years
Well done, George. How to start one of the greatest and acclaimed fantasy saga ever seen and turn it into a notoriously frustrating case of unresolved mess in the literally world. This books will not have any ending ( a no acknowledged fact we still try to deny and lie ourselves), and George Martin will pass into history as one of the most talented but failed author of the fantasy genre, a flawed genious who lost the chance to culminate such highly promising work into a masterpiece destined to pass on to the posterity. Sad but true.
He finished it years ago, Im 99.9% sure. He is just building up pent up demand. He will probably release it when Snow comes out or some point when the demand has built to a crescendo.
@@punchforpound2808by now I'd be sure to say that Winds is the most expected book of all time, he doesn't need to build up hype or wait for 'high demand' ... People will be lining up out of the bookstores to buy it .. there is tons of fans that literally don't care about reading any other book but this one..
@@punchforpound2808 We were saying that before Season 8's finale. "Oh he's just waiting for the show to end so adverts can plug the book around the same time."
Oh yeah, GoT is totally a failure! 🤡
@@punchforpound2808 Without acrimony, but that theory was overly absurd even years ago, actually on 2023 doesnt have any sense at all.
I have a theory. I believe he is already done with both novels but is waiting out his days to release them posthumously to avoid any backlash like the show got
Everyone who is not brain dead has that same theory.
Would that not make people talk badly about him, like call him thin-skinned or something?
@@Dani_1012 Yes, but it wouldn't be his concern anymore. Because, you know. Dead.
It's not like we're waiting the final final book, in which case of course everything would be 10x complicated, we're waiting for TWO, damn people know that if someday we got winds of winter, A dream of spring would take at leaaaast 5 years or even 10 to get out, and it would be ok. God we need at least this one :/
By this time he would have changed the content and course of events in the novels and bring it to satisfactory ending. This theory doesn't make any sense.
George isn't finishing those books.
I'm almost convinced he doesn't want to, and had he did they would've been finished already.
Pretty sure GRRM is playing Baldur's Gate 3 instead of writing Winds of Winter.
He's playtesting Half Life 3.
Valve hired him to write the backstory of the G-man.
I actually think that he has finished writing Winds of Winter, but doesn't want to release it until he finishes A Dream of Spring. That way if he needs to correct something in Winds because it doesn't fit with the narrative of Dream he can do it easily. Don't forget, he's juggling A LOT of characters.
I think you dream a lot.
My philosophy behind authors releasing books is that every release is a luxury. We want the 6th book so badly because of how amazing the first five were. We could have lived in a time where those five books never existed. These authors don't owe me anything. I'm grateful for the time I've had in the worlds they've built. I'm not going to tell wizards how wizarding needs to be done or how fast they need to move. Wizards arrive precisely when they mean to.
You don’t start a series like this only to leave it unfinished and 70 + year old wizards need to cast a haste spell before it’s too late.
simp lmao
I agree, it really irks me when people feel like writers "owe" them something. GRRM is not your slave, it's just a guy like you and I. The way I see it, artists are people that are just writing their own thing, or drawing or making films, and then they publish it, and if you like it you can go there and see it. There's no relationship of "owing" something to the fans.
@@piface3016
At the very least, he owes it to his publishers.
And if the wizard never arrives? What if the wizard begins casting a spell, weaving dazzling colors and patterns before your eyes, mesmerizing you, until you are bursting with curiosity and wonderment, your entire being fixed in anticipation of what the spell will be... when all the lights and sounds cease in an instant and you hear only the sound of a sharp, quiet fart.
George should just have the balls to say "im sorry, but I lost interest in the main story and want to do other things like world build" but instead he keeps yanking our chains. His problem is his style of writing, "gardening" well it got away from the gardener, he was trying to do too much with too many people and you can tell in the books when it got away from.
If he said that his fans would go mental 😂😂😂😂
I think the problem is that he has so many storylines going, this is the book where they have to come together. He's clearly getting older and slowing down, but I suspect Spring will be faster because the really hard questions are in Winter.
GRRM should release his work as WOW 1,
Take his time for Dunk and egg,and then release WOW2, gives him time to work ,and satisfy fans
No finish wow, take a rest and finish last book
I was doing a re-read recently and I was thinking "He has so many threads and plot lines going, there's no way in hell he's going to be able to tie it all up in 2 books. Allot can happen in two books, but I didn't feel like he was working toward a close. If anything it keeps expanding as he goes.
I have this small idea..
With how GOT blew up, it rushed GRRM out of how he had done everything up until that point.
Pushing him out of how we normally wrote. Meaning his work suffered ( With taking longer, not how good it was )
And then all the question, and people saying he will never finish, how he would die long before he ever finished. Every forum about GOT and A song of Ice and Fire, would be about the book he could not finish.
And I think it annoyed him like hell. And I could see with how he thinks, and how he view things ( At least how I understand him, with my limited understanding )
I have this idea Winds of Winter is pretty much done. Have been for some time. No doubt it was delayed, and he have rewritten alot. But I do think he might have finished it around 2020 mark.
He might still do a little this or that. But I just have this idea he is not gonna release it in spite. " So people say it wont be done before I am dead, tss " So now the books will be finished, and ready. And then when he dies hopefully far in the future, or people stop hawking him about it. It will be realsed. Including the Spring book after Winds of Winter. I do think they are sort of ready, and have been for some time.
And also. No sane person, who cares about story telling will ever thing the Tv shows ending will be the better.
Drones who watch Transformers 57 and think its amazing, and cant wait for the new Spiderman with the 11 actor making his 4th film about the same topic the 10 actors before him did. Those people might like the badly written and unconnected story those two Hollywood writers blended together. Because they dont care about lore, or the story or how its connected, they just want to see a sword and a dragon, it does not need to make sense to that group. But that is not really what A song of Ice and Fire is. its lore, and story telling and connections througout a world that all lead to the same crossroad.
i agree with your post completely
No. He was and is too busy with all the other projects.
Meh. Your "look at me, I'm not a drone" speech was so unnecessary...
He just can't connect all the subplots. He dug a hole to deep. Well, he could start wrapping up some but would be very unfulfilling. He hit a historic writing block due to expectations of the show and how bad the reception was to the ending. Even though the show ending wasn't what he intended. It still built the pressure because people expect him to correct what HBO did and there is no way he can wrap up his story in 2 books.
@@krischanlive That is fair you think that. And it has become one of the things he later stated as an issue himself. So it might be the truth.
As I stated, I just have this idea in the back of the head. Its impossible to really know its true.
He is more interested & involved in "other" stuffs than completing the book series😤😤.... He will left the series unfinished mark my word
I said thing many times.
Obviously, and he is looked at great now. He can only go down.
Yup…
The new art is giving me hope.
I questioned that myself. I’ve never seen that art before, only the horn.
that's not official art
We better stop lying to ourselves, sadly there is no hope for this
@@xalba5245 I disagree. I think there’s hope for Winds but Dream is just that at the minute
@@CJR-89 So we agree there is no hope to see the ending of ASOIAF saga, wich was my point. I suppose we finally would get "Winds of Winter" a few years into the future, but its obvious that with the amount of time George Martin writing process requieres a 7th book posibility is unrealistic
Winter may come but the same cannot be said for the winds of winter.
there has been 5-6 good years since i stop worrying about a book that is never going to be published.
Thanks for the recap!
If there's one good thing that hopefully comes outta the ongoing Writers & Actors Strike, it will hopefully be George finally finishing the dam Book #6.
George has no excuses this time around as he himself recently revealed that all of his HBO projects like the in development Egg & Dunk show have been postponed because of the strike & the strike is expected to last a long time. Season #2 of House of The Dragon thankfully wrapped up filming before the strike began but Season #3 ain't starting production anytime soon also because of the strike. Thanks to the strike, George now officially has a ton of free time that he previously didn't have before because he was always extremely busy & focused on all his HBO committments so now is the time that he should be taking full advantage of the situation that has just presented itself to him & proceed to sit down in front of his computer to finally finish The Winds of Winter and get it ready for a 2024 launch.
Heck I'm praying big-time that the real reason that George has been taking 12 frickin' years to write The Winds of Winter is because he is in fact writing both Winds of Winter AND A Dream of Spring back to back.
Finish the dam story now George.
A dream of Spring, will be just that: A DREAM!!
I wonder whether the 7 book limitation GRRM has placed on himself for this series is part of the hold up. The story is huge and with so many sub plots it is hard to comprehend how he will wrap it all up in two more books especially considering his extraordinary attention to details. I would not be surprised if more than two more are needed.
Is not 400-500 p book but big one 1500-2000p 2 is enough to tell many things.
@@vorkzen4172 Yes I understand the size of the future books. However, considering the number of main plots and sub-plots, it is reasonable to consider GRRM might need more than the two planned books even at 2000 pages each.
@@willowflowerchild maybe we don't know but in 1-2 years wow be release I think and we see what is story avancement and if 2000p last page is enough to end properly. (Sorry for my english not my first language)
@@vorkzen4172 Yes that’s a good point. Once we get WoW that should give us enough info to know if the story can be wrapped up fully in A Dream of Spring :)
@@willowflowerchild yes 😎
Great video. Nice and concise.
He's clearly too afraid to write the ending because the way he probably wanted to write it changed based on how the show played out. He can't come up with an ending that satisfies everyone, so he's stuck and can't commit to an ending.
He said after the finale that Bran would be king in the book if he ever finished it and people got mad so we'll never see it now. He really threw D&D under the bus for S8 cuz people were mad. He pretended he had little to do with the writing process and was constantly overruled which is completely untrue. I actually didn't mind S8 other than Bran being king and a couple other smaller complaints. Most of what happened was foreshadowed from the beginning, other than Bran, which I didn't understand at all.
See I don't mind alot of what happend in S8 in theory. Dany going mad, bran being king etc. Could all work in a book where things are given time and happen gradually and we can see people's thoughts. It was just ludicrously fast and out of no where in the show
The end is good, the show just rushed things too much.but it is clear that Dany would end up being the baddie
From my my knowledge of grr I don't think he's cares about what the audience wants it's what he wants for the ending and I do agree the show messed up the ending for him and he can't come up with a great ending for winds of winter.... He still has a dream of spring to start too.
@alice-caraline912 I don't know, from many interviews he comes across as not very confident and spends quite a bit of time second guessing himself. If he didn't care my guess is that he would have finishes a while ago. But today he doesn't know how to close the story.
Readers waiting for WOW : "What do we say to the god of death?
GRRM : Not today
You mean:
Readers waiting for WOW: what do we say to the god of publishing?
GRRM: not today
He just won’t admit that he doesn’t know how to finish the story.
I'd rather wait and be gripped than be disappointed. I'm thinking because the dance of the dragon has been a hit, and we are all hungry for the next season, it will give him more confidence to finish the winds of winter. Don't be scared, George, we got you
"I'd rather wait and be gripped than be disappointed." And there you have it. The reason you won't see the end. He could have given you a bad ending a long time ago. Any ending, even one GRRM finishes on his 111th birthday, could be disappointing. But an unfinished masterpiece... is still a masterpiece by definition.
"I'd rather wait"
George has you covered! :D
You do understand that when you name this video as you do, we do expect some news right?
I think this is what finally breaks me caring if it comes out or not
After s5-8 of the show being a real let down I was hoping to read a hopefull/better ending but he can’t even finish WOW never mind dream of springs 😢
Once I was excited to read Winds. Now I don't think I'll buy it even if it does come out. I'm kinda over it
This is so unfortunate but completely understandable
Oh you will, I mean I’m sick of it too, but when it does come out it’ll be off the shelves so fast everyone will want one.
Sure bud
@GEBUS12 nah I won't but more of a show fan
The kicker is there`s another after WOW, a dream of spring
Never gonna happen. I’m sure Winds will eventually be published, but there is no way for Spring
I'm at the the beginning of A Storm of Swords. I'll be done reading the series by the time Winds comes out. I'll be waiting for it.
That were my exact thoughts back in 2014 when I read the books for the first time, and after that again in 2018 when I read them for a second time 😁 I just started reading them for a third time ... Unfortunately this time I am not so optimistic..
I thought this same thing back in 2019. Just stop now or you will be gravely disappointed.
He might release it next year. HOTD is doing well. Dunk and Egg will be popular. It’s a good time to release a Westeros novel with positive publicity around.
Is it crazy to think that alot of the story stayed parallel to what he had already written in the book and due to public reaction he has had to go back to the drawing board. Even if he had no hard copy he at the very least a rough outline or at the very least a vision of what winds of winter would be.
This theory is the one I've subscribed to. I think he saw the backlash and began backtracking.
This is a good theory but doesn’t explain why the book didn’t come out ten years ago like he said. Still the fact the people hated Arya Whacking the NK and Bran ending up on the throne says a lot. And I’m not about Arya but definitely Bran ending up on the throne is the bitter sweet ending he had in mind.
On the other hand though he really might have just made too big of a story to finish and keeps re writing
What we know: he said he only wrote a few chapters during covid. Said he was too busy even during lockdowns. He focused on the prequel show.
He said he doesn’t give a F if he dies before he finishes and we’re upset. If he’s dying he has a bigger problem.
He gave hbo a basic plot summary to end the show. Just a rough small outline in case he did die and not finish it. So while the book and show are definitely different (some characters alive and dead in the other versions) and while hbo didn’t do a great job with the last season it basically was a rough draft of his ending.
He said the last season is bad but the ending of dany going crazy is realistic, they just needed a few more seasons to flesh it out and make it more believable. Lending credit to his ending being similar.
Damn these comments are so harsh. I understand those of us that read the book but we have to remember we never know what’s happening in a persons life and he probably doesnt want to put out a shitty book that’s why it’s taking him so long. He knows a lot of us were disappointed with the show. He’s a busy man some of us don’t have as much as this man has to do, and we can’t even get our basic needs done so don’t judge so hard.
I’m trying so hard to be patient. I wanna read it so bad. But it’s going on 14 years now. Another huge time span of 5-10 years and I probably would just give up that point and wouldn’t even care.
@@kev792you say that now but when it comes out you’ll have something to look forward. I could never stop caring I love the books and the show even if for some reason their disappointing the books give you more wiggle room to see what will happen and are way more interesting then the show the honestly.
@@Midnightqueen93 Right now I care and want to read it. But if it’s another 5-10 years like I mentioned I probably wouldn’t even care at that point. The main point is that it’s already 14 years overdue. It would’ve been different if this year was the release date and there was a 10 year delay.
I wish he would refrain from saying useless stuff. We know he is not finished. We know he wished to write faster and we know he is still far from the mark. Nothing has changed, right?
I'm loving that Terrapin pin GRRM is sporting at 12:39. He was already a confirmed Deadhead, but that pin is heady.
600 videos, congrats
I have hopes for Winds of Winter. It's Dream of Spring I'm worried about
Ay ay sweet summer child. I don't think WoW is coming either
@@anaserranocorces4551ain't wrong being a bit optimistic
I think there is no rush finishing these books when he makes more helping write these HBO shows, so until that well drys up its not going to be done. If HBO stops making shows based off what he has written or calls him about a show, guaranteed less then a year...Winds is out
He needs to hire a team of Writers that are fans of the series and have them help him finish the series. They can sit in a conference room and bounce ideas off each other. I bet GRRM with 3-5 writers would blast through Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring way faster than GRRM thinks they could. He could then use that same team to write the full story of Dunk & Egg and The Blackfyre Rebellions.
Why??? It’s his story and his world let him tell it how he sees fit
Why don’t you write something comparable then mess with him since it’s soooo easy
@@noirekuroraigami2270 ummm maybe because he's having trouble writing it! He obviously can't think of what to write on his own.
One thing i like about GRR Martin is that he doesn't pressure himself into anything...he wake up everyday and live life as it comes...For his age no pressure cuz if anything happens to him life will go on anyway 😅
3/4 Done... i believe in the Winds and i believe in George.
guys guys guys guys calm down! Don't worry, let him be, he is 74, if he does it great if not AI George will finish it for him
Someone already did for him.
We need to be realistic at this rate it will never be done
Given the average size of the other books in the series, the man has written less than 1/4th of a page a day since the release of the last book.
don’t hug me i’m scared released eventually and I thought that would never happen
For a man that's living on borrowed time, he doesn't seem to care whether his masterpiece is finished or not.
That’s life, though. People die everyday with their stories unfinished. We just really care about this story.
Either Martin has a release date for that unicorn or he doesn't, everything else regarding it is just so much BS. Release date or fuckin forget it, I won't be reading another word of his because that's all I care about. I've already given up on even hoping for book 6. It's never getting released, at least not in my life-time.
Or not in his. The series will not be done in his lifetime. 😢
@@NiamhCullen Well Could be but... he deserves to live for another 20 years if that's what he wants, I'm just not gonna think about that part.
I wonder if the 7 book outline is causing a lot of the issues. In that case just change it to 8, 9 or however many it takes just give us books to read :D
You can start the sword of truth series & read all 20 books before we see Winds of Winter finished
Love that series, it's the first ever fantasy series (or book series in general) I ever read, started reading it when I was in 3rd grade
Hmm
Around 13:50 he says Areo Hotah wasn’t on the show but I thought we saw him briefly as the Dornish king’s bodyguard. He was a big guy, AfroBritish or African American actor. I could’ve sworn that was him.
yeah he was
@@chink-xina he captured both Jamie and Bronn and the three ridiculous Sand Snakes. He was killed later when Doran Martel was killed by Ellaria and Sand Snakes.
@Harahvaiti Yup. He was stabbed by one of the bastard Daughters of Oberyn Martell
We know you're a perfectionist when it comes to worldbuilding but come on now sir it's been a decade since the fifth book was released 😢 guess _A Dream of Spring_ will remain a dream
over a decade, actually. 12 years to be exact
A Dream of A Dream of Spring.
I have 2 theories here
1st optimistically he is just writing winds and D.O.S. at the same time to be done with it.
2nd he has written himself into so many corners he is having trouble bringing all the storylines together or to a conclusion so he is discouraged and given up.
Imagine being so astronomically rich that you can put your bread and butter work on the back burner. George. We may or may not have a Misery situation here if you don’t get to cracking on this book 😉
I hope that book series ends before me or Martin😂
I'll buy and read all of the books if he releases the next one