Identifying the Unidentified, UFOs with Avi Loeb
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With the UAP report being released by the Pentagon this month, more are looking at this UFO mystery from a scientific perspective. Dr. Avi Loeb discusses why the UAP sightings should be taken seriously as he offers to lead a scientific inquiry to study these sightings and determine just if they are nothing more than atmospheric phenomena or something else.
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What do you think about the UFO and UAP mystery? Are they Aliens? Tell John below.
Congrats John and team for such a great video. I think they are not alien, but agree that we should let the experts lose on the data to decide.
I don't know what they are but I don't think they're from another country. Maybe alien spacecraft or probes. Or just my very unlikely theory they could be alien creatures who live in space and visit planets. Not technological but biological. 😁
The most common kind of UFO in our galaxy?
Seems very unlikely that anything smart enough to traverse the stars would still be biological at all. We already have artificial hearts , joints & all kinds of implants.
Why have forms at all? Almost certainly any intellect that came here would be artificial intelligence that evolved long ago from biological forms.
I was writing this then they finally addressed it. Ugh.
Seems to me the ship itself would be the intellect. If there was a consciousness at all which seems nearly as unlikely
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I think we can all agree that humans need a reset.
Nothing will bring us together & make us start focusing on the big things like an Alien mothership.
Maybe a zombie apocalypse
I'm glad to see this discussed seriously as a valid scientific problem.
Paranoid delusion.
It's been discussed by many top scientists, some world-renowned like Manhatten Project members. Unfortunately, that's still classified, (except that it happened, as detailed in Project BlueBook 1952).
Would be nice if we knew who on the Manhattan Project the U.S. Gov't Officially tasked with studying UFO's. Time to declassify 70 yo papers, don't you think?
Finally! What I find the most frustrating, is that most of academia has put they're collective heads in the sand and pretend like there isn't 70+ years of documented military and civilian encounters.
@@megamillionfreak Ah, i just naturally assumed he meant his own state of mind. Just one of those people that over-share their inner feelings...
Colonel Phillip Corso stated that he witnessed Alien bodies from a UFO crash in 1947. According to the Army Times - the US Army has signed a Crada to study UFO metal debris from 1947 to develop and I quote " advanced camouflage and flying vehicles " all web media report this as well
Around 15 years ago - just sitting on the balcony in Germany with a cup of coffee and smoking a cigarette on a sunny day - I saw one of those circle shaped objects you can read about in UAP “storys”. It changed its position twice with incredible speed, better to say it vanished here and
reappeared there instantly. The encounter ended after, say, 5 minutes when it vanished definitely. This did not happen instantly but reminded me of the screen of an older tv when you turned it off. The object got smaller and smaller, I think it flew away, and disappeared within a second, two at most. No idea what it was or could have been. “Its not from here”, I’m still convinced. But because the next few days nothing was to be found in the press/media I decided to simply forget about it.
I read Mr. Loebs book on the subject and I feel it's important to point out how ballsy this is of him. He is not swayed by threats to his tenure at all! Which is a refreshing to hear a scientist of his caliber. Only if more would approach the topic like he does it would be a better planet
Hahahaha yeah, it certainly is.
I hope I live long enough to witness the discovery of alien life forms, even if they’re just microbes.
Same, I think the odds are good!
@@ianmatthews1724 yeah well there’s definitely something out there. I’ve witnessed an object years ago.
@@bullparnu7434 yea agreed, never seen anything though!!
@@ianmatthews1724 what my mate, sister seen one night back in 97 was out of this world. There’s nothing that big and quiet that I know of.
@@bullparnu7434 awesome!! There was one time in Spain but I was like 8 years and dont even remember seeing it, but remember my parents and other people wondering what it was. Was on the news as well.
Nice, i was hoping to see an podcast about this subject, especially since the media isnt really coming up with anything new the last couple weeks.
Take a look at the Joe Rogan podcast featuring the commander who chased the pictured ufo
@@smallsherpa2222 already saw that. I find Cmdr.Fravor's interview with Lex Friedman better.
@@smallsherpa2222 already saw that, was hoping for new info since the congress report is this week.
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@@reubanrajan2679 Yes, Lex's interview was more informative. That's a good suggestion.
Avi Loeb is BY FAR your best guest. Intelligent, well thought out discussions and firmly grounded in actual testable science. This guy needs to be on more.
The host has VERY good taste in guests imho.
Avi Loeb is a disgrace ever since the Oumuamua fiasco.
What he wants isn't going to be allowed to happen. He'll either just be shunned, or worse.
@@LeMAD22 did you read his book?
Nope!
Dr. Loeb's statements concerning the long-term, real consequence of the Nobel Prize were well stated and refreshing.
@@RWin-fp5jn bruh....you went from oumuamua and scientific honesty to marxist eugenics aliens infiltrating earth to destroy us.
lol. That is way crazier then any ufo theories man.
@@RWin-fp5jn You really should learn the difference between think and know. You talk much more than listen, that is obvious. So you have to convey that you are knowledgeable.
@@RWin-fp5jn And for a starter of 19
Let's all take just a moment to appreciate how f**king awesome it is that the absolutely brilliant Dr Avi Loeb is starting to become a regular guest on Event Horizon!
Ive been waiting for JMG to touch on the UFO/UAP situation and report, and he couldn't have had a more perfect guest for this topic! It really is just so refreshing to hear the opinion of someone as credible and reputable as Dr Loeb, who isn't afraid to directly address the possibilities of extraterrestrial life with an open mind. This one is definitely a gem 💎
He was our first guest ever. Check out all of our past episodes. He’s been on quite a bit.
@@EventHorizonShow OH wow! I had no idea that he had been on that many times before. I thought that his last several guest appearances were a recent thing! Lol now I need to get caught up on those earlier episodes!
Oh yeah Matt. You’re in for a treat. Avi is an absolute gentleman and we’re happy he’s a friend of the show.
@@EventHorizonShow What about Richard Dolan and Jacues Valee?
@@EventHorizonShow Nice, but where are the green slave girls? I want to pull off my best Kirk impersonation 😂
Avi Loeb has received so much shit, from the scientific community, for his willingness to take an area seriously we do not understand. The goal is to understand the world around us, and that makes, Avi Loeb a true scientist.
Applying the scientifical method makes a real scientist :)
@@NIL0S Yes, but unfortunately not all so-called scientists are driven by the scientifical method.
I mean it does seem crazy going around calling omuamua a ufo while there are no signs of it being anything but a comet with a weird shape but i do dislike the mainstream these days.
@@belstar1128 The fact is that we still do not know what Oumuamua is, and none of what has been suggested fits perfectly. The same goes for Tabby star. I'm not saying it has anything to do with Aliens, but it is surprising what some scientists are willing to accept, as an explanation, when someone mentions the word Aliens.
@@belstar1128 I’m very puzzled by this comment. Avi never said it was Aliens. He said it could be., and that it’s a valid hypothesis. Also, your description of the object isn’t accurate. It isn’t just “a weirdly shaped comet.”
Glad to see some scientists embracing the idea of exploring what is going on. I got my head bit off here a year or two ago for being annoyed at one guest scientist just waving the hand dismissively about the Navy evidence. I am no true believer, I need solid proof, but the evidence is starting to look compelling to at least have a real study done as Dr. Loeb proposes. Great channel and vid as always, JMG, keep on this subject as things unfold one way or the other!
Case in point Neil deGrasse Tyson. Hes just jumping in the ufo recently just to promote his new book. Still dismisive about pilots, radar, and tech imaging videos. Overrated scientist
@@casta Argument from Ignorance, "You gotta' believe me, I saw it. I don't know what it is, it must be aliens from outer space come to Earth"" Well, if you don't know what it is, that's where your conversation should stop, it doesn't have to be anything". Neil DeGrasse Tyson. An abject statement of ignorance to an abject statement of certainty within one sentence.
I think the problem is the nuttier end of the UFO community will instantly think it validates their stated experiences of alien abduction and rectal probes as well as aliens being basically green humans, ie bilaterally symmetrical bipeds, a most unlikely possibility given the alien body structures of many animals on *this* planet.
@@sarah-janelambert8962 Yes, anthropomorphism is rampant thruout, among many others we have, body types, culture, behaviour and emotional states. Most likely there exists intelligent beings that literally know no fear, it doesn't exist in their world, perhaps stemming from a highly reproductive society.
He still sound like a broken record
Avi Loeb needs to have a sitdown with Neil degrasse Tyson, because he's reasonably addressed a good number of NDT's objections to the UAP phenomenon. Great interview!
Anyone else catch Avi saying, “That was excellent John.” ?? I have not heard Avi give a compliment like that in any of the other 15 interviews I’ve listened to. Really Avi was just stating a fact. It was a pretty darn good interview. John hit this one out the park. Crazy thing is how good it was and yet still has plenty of room to be even better. That last question about how Avi would go about investigating the UAP was spot on.
John is literally the best
@@The.Kyle.Scott. agreed. I like John and Isaac most out of all the science channel personalities. John like Avi seems more willing to consider controversial ideas.
Hype! Can't listen to this till tonight. Excited for it...
Do you want me to send you some spoilers? ;-)
@@helixxharpell NOOOOooooooo
@@avonacolyte OK. I won't tell you that Dr. Loeb's newest theory is that Omuamua spilled the only box of tic tacs it had onto the earth & it was going too fast to pick them all up.
Sort of like when your hat flies out the window while you're driving along the freeway. 😉
@@EarthCreature. 😄😄🤪👍
Oh and btw.. Im a huge Avi Loeb fan.
Fantastic interview! Avi Loeb is one of my favorite guests you interview and I love his take on things. Thanks for another great episode!
There was once a time when some scientists thought breaking the sound barrier was impossible.
Their was a scientists that gave an interview about a week before the Wright bros saying we could never fly.
Sigh TH-cam mangled my comment. Even worse, the consensus before the Wright bros. was that heavier than air objects could never fly! Science consensus is wrong sooooo often, it is almost the norm throughout history. Even recent consensus in modern times being totally wrong! Linus Pauling saying there isn't such thing as quasi crystals, only quasi scientists, commenting on Dan Shechtman. Dan Shechtman was later awarded the Nobel prize for quasi crystals, not too long after Pauling's derisive comment. Pauling died before he could see how silly and closed minded he had been. Or how about germs, scientific consensus at the time was that germs were impossible. Or plate tectonics. Or meteor impacts with the earth, and on and on and on.
This is why I have lost respect for Neil deGrasse Tyson, and Seth Shostak from SETI, who both really should know better given the history of persecution of astronomers, but particularly SETI, whose VERY NAME is what we are talking about here, and Seth and other SETI scientists are some of the most closed minded of all scientists when it comes to UAPs. They pretty much are refusing to look through the telescope, like scientists did back in Galileo's time. It wasn't just the church that derided Galileo, other scientists did, too. People forget that. Shostak and Tyson probably would have been some of those scientists if they lived back then, in my opinion.
And this is coming from a former staunch skeptic on the UAP topic. I am not any longer, starting about 5 weeks ago. Not saying it is aliens. What I AM saying is that these officially released videos from the pentagon come from real events, with real objects, doing real maneuvers that we cannot explain. We need to stop the stigma, and figure out what legitmate UAPs are, who is behind the wheel, and how they work. Scientists should be clamoring to figure this out, like Avi Loeb is, volunteering for that opportunity! Even NASA is taking it seriously.
Not sticking their heads in the sand like Tyson and Shostak, who honestly should be ashamed at how closed minded they are. Being a skeptic does not mean ignoring data. Which is what Tyson and Shostak are doing. But they love to trumpet how they are "skeptical" to all who will listen, like it is some kind of badge. Forgetting what it actually means to be a scientist in the process, and what being a skeptic actually means, as well.
@@shank2001 Amen brother!
That was very well said, thanks. I honest to God thought I was reading something I wrote that was being quoted! I even bring up Tyson and Shostak together.
And speaking of Tyson, considering his obvious love of profiling the mistakes and blindspots of science, and scientists in the past, he's doing the exact same thing.
Source? I think some engineers said that at a time many planes were made from wood and cloth. Breaking the sound barrier doesn't violate the laws of physics.
I could be mistaken but I remember interview with Avi Loeb on this channel while ago regarding his upcoming then book "Extraterrestrial". When asked about UFOs and tic tac encounter he refused the idea of them being extraterrestrial in origin, so I am glad to see he changed his mind consistently with his principles. He is a one of the most curious and open minded scientist in position of authority, he reminds me of Carl Sagan in so many ways. Great interview.
Carl Sagan is my childhood hero, he was the greatest science communicator ever, founder of SETI… unfortunately he also wrote an entire book to dismiss UFOs… that book did great damage to serious people doing UFO research and led to the current stigma. He was part Galileo and part Pope Paul V.
Mick West completely debunked every 'incredible' thing about these Navy videos, beyond a shadow of any doubt, in any thinking person's mind. One of them is clearly a simple bokeh effect. If our military couldn't figure that out we are possibly in serious trouble, but not from aliens. I for one am actually disappointed that Loeb would go back to thinking these videos actually show something AFTER people like West have thoroughly demystified them. It's an embarrassment.
@@ToxicBrainSludge wow your in every comment like a mick west cheerleader. Your one of those guys who watches a documentary then suddenly thinks they are an expert who know all there is. Couldn't possibly have been duped. How about you pay attention the the HARVARD PHD Professor speaking instead of spouting regurgitated nonsense by "that dude" mick west. AATIP had 37 scientists. All failed to see what that dude mick west did! Smack yourself
Your not mistaken, i heard an interview with Avi Loeb refuting (actually laughing) about thinking the Navy videos were anything but a smudge or glitch,but it wasn’t this channel(it was”Theory of Everything” with Curt Jaimungal.).
I was really surprised given all the shit he gets for his stance on amouhamuah being of artificial origin. Im sure he got flack for that interview and changed his stance.
Personally, i have no opinion on the matter,but I definitely require better proof than what we’ve been given.But i remain open to possibilities.
@@ToxicBrainSludge The military never said its aliens anyway. Their report essentially said the video material does not give them enough information to put those videos into a specific category. Most of those categories are just that, optical illusions or other mundane explanations. That surely doesn't explain all of the encounters involving radar and what not but probably a lot of them.
The episodes with Dr Avi Loeb are my favorites on this channel. I hope he'll be back again soon for a new one
JMG - it's been said plenty in the comments, but I have been absolutely waiting to hear this topic covered on the show. Whatever it turns out to be, it's far too interesting to dismiss outright. Thanks again for such quality conversation and production.
Thank you for letting us know you wanted to hear it covered. Adam Frank is the guest next week and John talks to him about this as well.
@@EventHorizonShow brilliant, thanks team.
Mick West should be on soon as well.
@@EventHorizonShow I hate Mick he is in bad faith!After listening to Fravor and Chris,both with 36 years of experience on F-18 and F-16 and he talked about ballons or commercial airplanes and birds and saying that the :UFO: were far far away 90 miles...he is full of BS!
@@joannewilson6577 I hate to say it but I found similar flaws in Thunderf00t's video. Skepticism is one thing, but deleting the audio and not even mentioning it exists... not good.
And a bird, really? What species would that be?
I used to count birds for the Forest Service. When we couldn't ID them, we'd often write LBJ for Little Brown Jobbie.
But no LBJ we know is able to fly at 12,00 feet into a 120 knot wind without flapping, produce no visible heat, and fool a cruiser's scanned array radar into thinking it was not a bird.
Sidney Gauthreaux at LSU was identifying birds with simple airport radar in the 1960s. If someone claims it's a bird, they need to hypothesize at least the family. Procellariidae? Hydrobatidae? Zetareticulae?
Awesome now we can have these conversations I've been waiting for... thank you.
Mainstream science has ignored this subject for far to long. It’s annoying bc they have been so wrong, but now that the government says it’s okay, all of a sudden it’s okay 😒
Seen these "UFO" videos so many times I've often wondered what they are. Glad to see Avi Loeb back on the channel. He's awesome.
Amazing conent as always.
The "pyramid" video going around is the triangle bokeh of a night vision scope looking at an aircraft's lights while out of focus.
Look into Mick West's explanations of these videos. Trust me. If you really care about this, spend the time, and find and watch several of Mick West's videos where he thoroughly debunks the idea that those videos show anything incredible at all. It's almost all just simple optical camera artifacts/effects. Start with his videos explaining the most recent video that came out, where it's some triangles 'flying' up in the sky at night, with night-vision. He demonstrates that it's a simple bokeh effect very conclusively. Anyone involved in this military project to explain these things should be utterly ashamed because they did a piss-poor job. Optical camera byproducts should be one of the first things considered and it appears they had not one expert in the field. That type of effect is seen by photographers all the time. There's a filter in photoshop that emulates it FFS.
I always enjoy Avi Loeb interviews. He's one of the few true scientists out there. It always irritates me when I hear a so-called scientist shut things down because they don't think it's possible. To me, the very definition of a scientist is someone who explores what COULD be possible. Thank you for your wonderful talks with Avi Loeb.
Thank you Susan.
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He did do the research. He wrote a paper on it, and he was derided for it, long before the rest of science had come up with any plausible theory of it's own (if you can call what they did come up with plausible, which is a long stretch itself). And his paper is every bit as valid as any other paper out there, and in my opinion just as plausible. That is the point. No one has "proven" anything one way or another on Oumuamua. We will never know the actual truth, even Avi Loeb says this, because he is rational. He never claimed it was for certain extraterrestrial in origin in his paper, he said it was a possibility we should take seriously!!
Scientists would rather come up with an extremely convoluted theory that Oumuamua was part of a particular kind of planet and was dislodged in a huge impact towards our solar system, to explain why it looks so different from ANYTHING we have ever seen before in all astronomical history, but they still fail to explain with their consensus theory many aspects of Oumuamua. Yet scientists have decided that is their "consensus", and wont even have a discussion on any other possibility, anymore. Despite how Oumuamua was not moving relative to the frame of motion of the galaxy. It was the solar system that moved to Oumuamua, not Oumuamua moving towards the solar system. One would think that a giant impact origin would have given it some motion relative to the motion of it's orbit around the galaxy, no?!?! And many others holes in the "consensus" theory. It's all pointless as we will never know the truth of Oumuamua. But it is a perfect illustration for all the world to see of the bad attitude of scientists, and their closed mindedness on ANYTHING relating to extraterrestrials.
Your comment "These scientistsdon't dismiss things because they are impossible, they ask Loeb to do his work as a scientist an not omly come up with a hypothesis, but also investigate it, and prove or disprove it", directly applies to what the scientist's current "consensus" is, and they have not proven anything with any more certainty than Avi Loeb's paper did. They are both reasonable hypothesis, and both cannot be "proven" to be true. PERIOD. Get out of here with your holier than thou attitude that is so common among so many scientists.
I don't see many scientists trying to get to the bottom of UAPs. All I see from scientists is refusing to look at the data. And using Mick West's debunk videos as reasons to not do any actual research. Even though Mick West is not a scientist, has no credentials, and is not even a skeptic. He is a debunker, who has even AMITTED that he has an agenda and preconceived set in stone opinions. There is a big difference. And he never takes an event as a whole. He ignores anything he cannot explain. And scientists point to Mick West as some kind of final word.
Think about this. It is IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to debunk these official UAP videos without the government's help. Simply because they have all the data, classified and otherwise. All the public and Mick West has is a snippet of a video. We don't have the start, or the end of the videos. We don't have the radar data. We don't have anything, really. But the government does! Until all that data is released, we cannot debunk these events. PERIOD. No matter how much Mick West wishes he could, so that he could sleep better at night.
We have dozens of HIGHLY credible military witnesses for the tic tac event. And a snippet of a video. We should listen to these military personnel closely. Not just ignore what they say. That is not doing science.
There is a reason the government still calls these events actual UAPs TO THIS DAY, despite Mick West's efforts. Because the government has ALL the data. And there are more and more and more of these events to be released. There was even a major event a week ago, according to Luis Elizondo, but of course you wouldn't know that because your head is in the sand, and you are not following what is happening before our eyes in our own government on this topic. These events are happening all the time!
We have Obama, Bill Clinton, Ratcliffe, other former heads of the CIA and NID, dozens of senators, Chris Mellon, Luis Elizondo, Harry Reid, NASA, former astronauts, and on, and on, and on, more every day, saying that these events are real. That there really are objects invading highly restricted airspace, that we have no explanation for, and cannot understand how they maneuver. They are all saying this POINT BLANK! No room for interpretation here. And they all know more than anyone in the public!!! And NONE of them are stupid. We need to take that seriously. Mick West, the debunker with an agenda, and mainstream scientists, who have their heads in the sand, are NOT paying attention!! They discount all that. They discount anything they cannot explain.
We need to take what the government is saying seriously. We need to take our military personally seriously. They are the ones risking their lives flying around these UAPs, with near collisions, etc. Why does Mick West think he is helping the situation claiming these things are just radar reflecting balloons, or a duck, or a F18 from behind?!?!? It is utterly ridiculous.
Mick West has not debunked ANY of these videos. Because he can't. He does not have access to all the data.
The prudent thing for Mick West to say would be. "It is my opinion, as a hobbyist debunker in the UFO field, that this this object is a bird, or a balloon, and that is my opinion, despite all the witness testimony etc., but I could very likely be completely WRONG, because I do not have all the data. The government needs to release all the data before we can actually say anything conclusive.
Yet I never hear Mick West filing FOIA requests. I have not heard that Mick West has written his representatives asking for transparency on this topic. Why is that? Maybe because he is afraid he might uncover something that he cannot explain? Maybe because deep down he knows he is being misleading?
Why are people like Mick West, and other mainstream scientists not the loudest voices trying to get transparency on this topic, if what they really want is the truth?!
Why is like pulling teeth to get scientists to even CONSIDER that they cannot explain what we are seeing?!
All we get is silence from the majority of scientists.
This is not acceptable!!!
We spend hundreds of millions every year looking for microbial signs of life, and exoplanets, and radio signals. What is so terrible about using some of that money to research what is happening right here on Earth in the form of UAPs, but do you hear any scientists saying this? Again silence.
Dark matter is extremely controversial, and all we really have is guesses about what it could be, yet we spend millions just thinking on that topic! Science has so many areas of study that don't even have a possible way to test, like string theory!! Millions spent on that as well. Or how about the serious scientific discussions on the holographic nature of the universe, or that reality is a simulation? Yet UAPs, nooooo no scientific study allowed!!!! Don't even offer that as a hypothesis, as in the case of Avi Loeb! Or Shun, Shun, Shun. Not even the consideration that UAPs MIGHT be evidence that we are not alone! Their ego and hubris are so huge and have so much mass that they have turned into black holes on the UAP topic! Rationality singularities! All hail Mick "I've already debunked that" West. It's all ridiculous, and true rationality, and logic has been thrown out the window! And it is not the UFO community I am talking about here. And I am a former staunch skeptic on the topic of UAPs. I changed my mind about 5 weeks ago.
Scientists need to get on the right side of history on this topic. The whole world is watching. And history will remember. Things are about to get bumpy for pseudo-skeptics like Neil deGrasse "It's NEVER Aliens"transparencytransparency from scientistsVolunteering
Neil deGrasse Tyson is very closed-minded on this reality, sadly.
@@stevebracken225 He's very close-minded on a LOT of things, sadly.
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No Tyson isn't closed minded on the topic. He just asks for proper evidence and points out that we don't have the kind of evidence required by the scientific method. It doesn't rise above the bar required.
Highly intelligent human being. Dr. Avi Loeb is my favourite guest in your show, John.
Dr Avi Loeb is an amazing dude. He is one of the few physicists that will talk about these things in such an open way.....so does Event Horizon by the way. Love these podcasts....peace to ya.
Avi is a treasure! I wish we had many more like him.
Dr Loeb, in many ways, is very much akin to a modern day Carl Sagan :) It is refreshing to have his voice heard on this matters. Namate ✌
I'm just glad john covers all the interesting things. Whether they be theories or just observations. I could listen to john talk about anything. Love his humor too.
Cool conversation, perfect visuals.
Excellent video. I am highly skeptical that any of these are Aliens, but I agree with Dr. Loeb, outright dismissing the possibility isn't a healthy way of tackling this issue.
That's like saying let's study chemistry, and we all know that's governed by physics but it could be due to some kind of magical unknown force so let's not dismiss the magic side of chemistry entirely.
@@matt.willoughby a very fair criticism.
@@matt.willoughby Always pays to remember that we are someone else's alien civilization and we most certainly are not a magical unknown force.
Oh so you know what these UAPs are? Congratulations, you are smarter than Dr. Avi Loeb, when will you receive your Nobel Prize?
I don't really understand why people regard the alien hypothesis as implausible. What else could highly advanced technological aerial phenomena be..
I’m so happy your channel of all things discussed this
It certainly is not an easy subject to tackle. Thank you for watching.
@@EventHorizonShow Continue to be brave. Whatever these things are, the answers will no doubt be fascinating
No matter how sceptics i am. Just for a moment i put myself in the mod of thinking that this is it. The moment of contact. This fuzzy images are the beginning of something that will be unraveled in the future.
I have been following the field for 40 years or so, and this feels different. The resume's of the board of the TTSA... this is not just a few enthusiasts gathered around a coffee table. It includes the recent head of the Skunkworks! And a former deputy DNI, and more.
I am so grateful to have found your channel.
Dr Loeb is always the best guest
Oh I love when you have Avi Loeb on❤ JMG❤
Best discussion on the topic I've heard so far.
I saw a UFO in Australia when I was a teenager and man was it weird.
Could you elaborate?
@@Bronco541 basically what we saw was a flashing red, green and white light. It was on the horizon for an hour or so from about 8pm. Then it turned a darkish red colour and zipped upwards and across the sky at incredible speed. The next day we heard on the radio that local police received approximately 2000 reports of a UFO the previous night.
Were you drunk at the time? If so did you have a good time? XD
the most possible is the biological curiosity hypothesis. They are not here to make contact, but to study us like we study animals in their habitat
This is probably not the kind of channel where people are into spirituality, but in the New Age community, there are many psychics who say these aliens are a lot like humans, but much further along the path of technological development, and they are here to revitalize their race by borrowing our DNA. Or something like that.
They might not even care what life is here, they want to understand why life started here.
It will be like we are letting the tribe on sentinel island alone.. And casually just observe them, because we know the outcome.. We have tried to "civilisize" native tribes before
I have to agree that Avi has great insight, and has a very intellectual way to articulate his reasoning. Thanks JMG👍. Cheers !
That was a terrific conversation, guys, thank you! It was a lot of fun, but it was also *highly effective science communication* (on both ends no less), and the importance of work like this truly can't be understated, in my opinion at the very least =')
I remember mentioning doing more shows like this months ago along with alternative propulsion systems and the producer that monitors these comments jumped down my throat. Glad the viewcounts of the shows w those topics are now your most popular. Told ya so!
I remember your comment Matt, we are always looking to do shows like that. It just takes time. Didn’t mean to come across like that. Thank you for watching!
Arthur Issac has a lot of episodes like that. He's awesome, too!
these things flying around cant be human made. Theyre getting sighted a lot since the first atomic bomb detonated in WW2 . Since then there are many sightings around nuclear weapons / facilities and theyre on military record. Also think about it, if a country had such an advanced technology they would for sure use it economicly. Theres a documentary about this subject called „the phenomenon“ i would recommend.
@@VictorVii yes im sure birds can activate/deactivate nuclear rockets. The birds in my area do this all the time. Also every single pilot seems to be horrible at their job. We send them up in the sky and trust them to defend us, but they cant recognize if its just a bird in front of them. Youre clearly not well informed about this topic.
It’s possible they’ve been around during World War 2, if you attribute the Foo Fighters as the same phenomena. And then there are cases that go further back than that, the 1561 Nuremberg sighting for example.
@@VictorVii Jets turn nuclear missiles on and off within USSR and USA nuclear ICBM bases backed to cold war? Shining jets shot by missiles of Iran air force and return fire in lasers back in 70s? come on.
@@hazyhalfmoon exactly, most sightings have mundane answers, but there are many incidents in the sky witnessed by trained observers that just don't add up.
It wasn't long before WW2 that humans had means of capturing footage or photos of this phenomenon. Only a few decades prior to that did we even have the means to fly. For all we know these things have been buzzing around for all of human history and our ancestors had absolutely no way to see them, and if they did see them they had no way to document it other than writing it down (or telling someone who could write it down) or drawing pictures of it.
There are lots of historical accounts of people claiming to have seen something that looked like flying disks, or ships in the sky or folklore about meeting strange 'people' in crafts that go back thousands of years. People claiming they have made some sort of sighting is not something that started in the 1940s, people have been making these claims for thousands of years.
Such an interesting interview. This is indeed the greatest mystery of our age. Many thanks.
That was really wonderful. Thank you so much.
I fell in quite quickly this time.
I never left ...
I was in and out rather quickly this time when I saw the topic.
I stepped in it
@@zeromancer-x why
I was eating spaghetti while reading this comment
"Getting the Nobel Prize is really not that big in the grand scheme of things." Someone get this man a Nobel Prize.
Avi is one of the brightest among us, I love listening to him.
Been looking forward to this
if it is true that UAPs or UFOs are technologically advanced objects compared to anything produced by humanity, they are not necessarily extraterrestrials. As Elisondo explained well, they could be terrestrial, of evolved species unknown to us, or even "extradimensional"
I read somewhere a government official said regarding this subject you dont want to know it's the worst possible thing you could imagine.
Meaning the government is behind it.
@@TheOmengod yep, faked up images to deflect attention from all the BS they are really doing, like printing money to give to people so they can sit at home doing nothing.
Alot of gov officials think its demonic in nature
Awesome interview!! thank you 🙏🏼 🌻
Thank you Dr. Loeb, for having the sand to take these possibilities seriously. We need your voice!
Avi Loeb is my favorite living scientist. Great video
You've had many fantastic guests on the show before, and Dr. Loeb is my all-time favorite to hear from. Thanks for the interview!
Thanks for listening :)
Can't believe I missed this. Thanks again for dropping the link for me. After listening I said some of the same things as Dr Loeb in my comment on the other video. Makes me feel so super smart
Second time warching it. Cause like i though i missed a bit :) @EventHorizon im quite glad to see this subject on thr table . Much more - taken seriously.
If Dr. Leob needs funding to set up UFO/UAP detectors, I'm sure crowdfunding would work. I would certainly send some cash!
Another fascinating $ burning party 🥳 did you invest heavily into Theranos?
Lol at the Theranos joke. And yeah, those UFOs have all been debunked already.
@@LeMAD22 by mick west lol, his «debunking» has been debunked by both the pentagon and pilots, aswell as countless youtubers
Absolutely wonderful interview John, thanks.
I’ve known many pilots, several in my own family in fact, and all but one had encounters with unidentified flying phenomena.
All encounters were between seconds to maximum of ten minutes and always cautious and non-hostile.
One account was rather impressive which happened during the Vietnam War. This pilot was engaged in aerial combat with an enemy craft, he saw the enemy craft deploy its air-to-air missiles, he saw the missiles flight path and was about to engage in evasive maneuver when a bluish light stream made the missiles disappear. He was able to look above and get a glimpse of a flying craft that looked like a “teardrop” in shape and appearance (an opaque spheroid outer shell with a darker cube in the inside) that then, in a blink of an eye, shot straight up into the higher atmosphere.
This pilot believed that this unknown craft deliberately intervened for reasons only known to him/her/it.
I’m glad scientists will look deeper into this. It is solvable with science.
Go get em Dr. Loeb!
The report says we need better equipment to study the uap. Yes you can tax me. Thank you.
Which I don't believe for a second. You think that they've been letting these things violate military airspace for 70 years, and they haven't done all they need to do to study them?
Yes, agree.
They do tax you, and me. How about we quit funding bombs and gender studies in Syria and Saudia Arabia and spend our tax money on something useful. Right now our tax money is exploding and brainwashing children halfway around the world.
They just need a guy like Mick West, or at least one or two experts on optical camera artifacts, to tell them that their videos show absolutely nothing of interest. The one with the triangles is conclusively shown to be a simple bokeh effect. Check into Mick Wests videos about this stuff. And then ask yourself how our military came to be so utterly inept.
@@ToxicBrainSludge you, my good sir are a more-onn if you think that mick west debunked anything. Don't forget the pentagon didn't release the triangle video. Jermey Corbell did, so that doesn't mean shit. There's no data-radar electro optical, Flir,pl array ect to accompany that film. So yes , its possibly an artifact. Not true with the 3 videos released by pentagon. Captured by multiple human eyes and multiple sensors. Don't be an idiot. The navy isn't inept, you are. They're finally laying it all out there for you and you just reason yourself out of the obvious.
I have subscribed because Mr Loeb is the smartest guy I have found on this topic on social media. He is spot on
Excellent interview 👍
“There are two possibilities: either someone will mention my quote about whether or not we are alone in the universe, or make a joke about how aliens won’t contact earth because humans aren’t intelligent. Both are equally retârded” -Arthur C. Clarke
That's the best com I've read in a long time.Arthur bloody C.Clarke has got a lot to answer for with that quote.Every comment section you're absolutely certain to get at least four dickheads mention it.The sad part is these idiots really think they're being original. Thankyou. 😁👍👏👍
Hey Stoney Lonesome, I didn't have to go much further down the coms to come across "extraordinary claims require........." I'd forgotten about that massively worn out chestnut! 😁👎👎👎
@@shaundavenport621 I doubt anyone who quotes it thinks they’re original. I mean that’s kind of the point of it being a quote lmao. However, the senseless regurgitation of comments is a huge issue on YT in general so I do understand how it’s annoying. Not a lot of actual intellectual conversation.
@@TheSCPStudio By original i did mean some of them think they're telling the masses something only the chosen few know😂.....but yes it does get a little irksome. Maybe I'm just turning into an old misery!lol.Very possible so people keep telling me. 🤣🤣You have a good one 👍
That was beautiful..
Oh Brother, Wont SETI have egg on their face!
Refreshing to hear Avi
This has been the existential question for ages. Are we alone? If it turns out we aren't, there's something humbling about knowing we may not be the only ones asking the question of "why are we here, why us? Are we the only ones conscious of our own existence?"
"That was Excellent John!" That was the best end to an Event Horizon yet. Haha! Also, nice to get a 'real' discussion on this that's serious. The media is either handling it as a joke, or going overboard.
John, your voice is insane (in a good way!)! I could listen to you for hours.
I'm getting very tired of the media bringing on people like Neil Degrass Tyson, who really doesn't know anything about this topic, and then rolls his eyes and brings up proposals of "what it could be" that have already been completely debunked and ruled out, showing a complete lack of knowledge on the topic, and yet still wants to pontificate on it.
It's also completely insulting to our naval aviators, radar operators, and the military as a whole, as if they don't know what they're looking at, how their systems work, and aren't capable of ruling out basic mundane explanations.
Everything they bring up as a possibility, has already been thoroughly gone over and considered by military investigators.
I wish the media would do their damn job, and stop asking people about this topic that doesn't know what they're talking about.
I'm also tired of people treating this as if this is a brand new phenomenon, this has been heavily recorded for the past 80 years, and the pilots coming out today, are saying the exact same things that our pilots in World War II were testifying.
During World War II, the allies saw these craft and thought they were German, the Germans saw these crafts and thought they were the allies, and the same thing in the Pacific with the Japanese.
There is a wealth of information, data and facts on this topic, and yet it is a constant struggle to have a serious objective conversation, because so many people don't want to listen, or for some reason, people like Mick West have a ideological zealotry, to shoe horn any explanation to fit his personal bias, rather than actually going where the evidence leads.
I don't understand that either, the whole idea of being a "professional" debunker is nonsense.
Could you imagine if the police investigated crimes that way?
Coming up with a premise and hypothesis before seeing where the evidence leads, and then cherry picking anything they can to shoe horn evidence to fit they're preconceived Ideas?
This is not how you investigate something, and yet this topic is full of people that do junk pseudoscientific analysis or "debunking", which in reality, is nothing more than cherry picking what they want, while leaving the rest....
At last! A huge step forward by Avi Loeb.
Thank you Avi Loeb for the work you do and for the courage to speak out. I enjoy your interviews immensely!!!
A Monday upload!? Yes! What a happy surprise.
And another on Thursday
@@EventHorizonShow as always you and Dr Loeb were great
Great stuff, John.
Always good to hear from Avi.
Wonderful news.
I agree with Dr. Loeb about why they seem to appear to cluster near navy ships. If you lived in my toilet, you would think all I ever do is pee.
Interesting analogy. 🙃
Not only near navy ships,but mostly near military bases or nuclear plants or missiles bases.
@@joannewilson6577 because it's military tech... pretty easy explanation
@@TheCBScott7 No military tech go at mach 30,,the best coming in the next generation will go at mach 6.5 The SR 72!
No military tech go from 80 000 feet to 2 000 in .4 sec on radar! and under water at 60 knots! and make a turn at 180 degrees at hyper speed! In 100 years maybe?
@@joannewilson6577 Where's any proof that anything was moving at mach 30? Go ahead, ill wait
Great to see this topic being taken seriously and calling for a scientific approach. Many others seem strangely quick to dismiss.
Really good discoussion. :)
Good video ty 👍.has any 1 purchased a skyhub set up yet ? .enough units worldwide and answers will come on the uap topic 👍
I haven't been so excited to see a new Event Horizon in a while!
👽👍👍👍
Wow--what a fantastic channel! Great conversation, so well produced and polished . I love the idea that John has a lovely British AI assistant for the show. Funny stuff, and great material to feed my thought cage...
British? Russian!
@@razony okay, Russian, but the assistant speaks like a person educated in England. That's all I'm saying! Cheers!
@@JoeBauers Maybe a small star
There is no turning back now after the release of the 25 june 2021 report, any how to identify these UAP UFO? By capturing one of these UAP crafts?
Invite them to address a joint session of Congress?
@@nmarbletoe8210 cool idea there friend cheers
Thank you for covering this topic. What a vindication for all the people who have been ridiculed for all those years
Well vindication isn't here quite yet but if this was happening 30 years ago, it would be the only thing on the news. Even 10 years ago, you couldn't mention ufos without getting snickered at like a child.
Avi Loeb: I salute your courage Sir.
I agree,very brave.Especially considering the position he holds in the scientific community. About time someone was prepared to ask the questions that most of the academic world are too scared to broach! Question everything. --Socrates.
Hey do you do your stuff as a pod cast? I want to listen to it while im preparing for bed and TH-cam is difficult for that
Will be announcing very soon. Waiting for apple and Spotify to finalize some details.
@@EventHorizonShow cant wait cheers mate!
Another chapter
In the bromance of avi and jmg
Just checked the book out of the Dallas public library electronically. Can't wait to dig into it!
I read it. Didn't find it all that interesting.
This was a Mind opening
Interview with NEW thoughts.
Oh look, a must-listen episode. Yes, please and thank you.
Man I do love when Dr. Loeb is on the show!
He’ll be back quite soon.
Why this gem of a channel has such a low subscription. It's amongst my favourites in space science category. The time has come to take exploration seriously if we wish to secure the future of our future generations.
The channel keeps getting better! Congrats! Yet another Great show! Love John's style of interviews!! Very well thought questions! I always have to come back looking for more!
Yes! This is the topic I have been waiting for Event Horizon to cover!
thank - you .
A fourth option was overlooked: That these objects are real, but people are misinterpreting their behaviour, e.g. thinking it's moving very fast, when it's basically stationary, because we've misjudged the size, distance & altitude of the small fuzzy object (typically against a uniform background like the sea). And that can easily happen, when you have FOR EXAMPLE a jet fighter moving at high speed (not necessarily in a straight line), with a camera turret that is smoothly rotating to track a floating but stationary object. Then parallax means the ground will appear to move underneath the object, and if you think the object far away (but it's actually much smaller & closer) then it will appear to be moving very fast.
What about the radar data on the USS Princeton which corroborates the visuals of several pilots at the same time?
Believers need to explain why the footage quality is inversely proportional to their interest in the footage. Cameras have been improving constantly over the decades, but the "best" UFO footage all looks the same. You see what you want to see.
for one its the way ir looks. for two, i wholeheartedly agree. nobody can ever seem to whip out a camera that knows how to focus it.
th-cam.com/video/TxNge92Fcgo/w-d-xo.html
They have more videos that weren't leaked/declassified
@@MoCsomeone seriously? You've gone from bad footage to hints and verbal assurances? I dont want to be rude, but you're making my point for me.
@@johnmclaughlin4778 you think former presidents, directors of cia, military intelligence agents are lying about having more classified footage? The videos that surfaced were leaked, they weren't willingly disclosed. They do have more compelling evidence. Hundreds of well respected intelligence career men from around the world would not throw their immaculate reputations away for funsies man
I’m really excited to see this channel take this topic seriously. I’ve been waiting a long time.
And Avi Loeb is a light in the scientific community. We need more like him
Serious bull.
why i drop school i could listen to avi loeb for hours
Excited to listen to this, thank you Avi, JMG and friends.
This is so cool, Avi is a very open minded and humble scientist.
Because his israeli