$ 600 vs $ 1200 - Citadel vs AK interactive Miniature Painting COLORS | WORTH IT???
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Tried Vallejo, Monument Hobbies and AK Interactive and Citadel. Now I have kind of my favorites from every range. Guess it depends to find the right use for different colours. GWs paint coverage and consistency is… let’s say: sometimes unexpected - especially considering the price.
On note on Aethermatic Blue though - my Nighthaunt paint scheme depends on this colour - so one of my favorites. 👻
Yeah the only thing about gw is that we probably all started with those. Unless you are into historical things then the approach it’s a bit different!
I think we all have citadel and we can find a use for them!
IMO, 3rd gen is superior is almost every way. There are only a handful of Citadel paints I can’t give up, and that’s only because of the actual color, not the paint properties. Nice comparison!👍
Thanks!! And now you need to tell me what they are!
@@ataraxiapainting Deathworld Forest, Death Guard Green, Mephiston Red, Wazzdakka Red, and Evil Suns Scarlet 😜
I really like the AK 3rd generation paints. Especially their lighter tones, their yellows and tans. It's a great alternative if you have access to them.
Oh yes! The only downside is the shaking part
I mean because of the medium
Totally worth the 3rd Gen from AK. I really been a fan since i been checking a middle ground between Vallejo and Citadel. The only bad thing is that some colors have a separation issue, but with some good shake can be solved! Overall AK has some solid colors with great cover. Also.. the WHITE INK. ohhhhh sisssterr, that INK is just 10/10 stuff. I just throw away all white inks. Resistant as F and you can build up the white with ease. Neat comparison!
Oh yeah I agree that’s a bit annoying, I think getting shaking balls is a good investment. I have been having some clogging issues tho… did you??
I just ordered some directly from AK and had them shipped to the US, with the VAT removed I paid 2.05 per bottle. Also if anyone outside of Europe is looking on AK's site just add some stuff to your cart and then click view your cart and update your shipping info and then after that you'll notice everything on the site shows cheaper prices due to the VAT being removed from the price. Still saved a ton of money even with shipping vs buying it here in NA.
So you say it’s cheaper than for us in eu???
Ya but u gotta pay shipping which I notice there are creation tiers almost based what you have in the cart. Either way for this of us in NA it's cheaper to just prefer direct from the manufacturer site rather than the few stores in the US that do carry these paints as they mark them up and you still have to pay shipping. If you are going to order from AK directly you gotta make sure your ordering at least a few things to get the most out of what ur paying towards shipping. Either way not VAT.
Somehow when I glaze AK Deep Red, I often find it to leave some sparkly coffee stains. That is probably the only issue I have with AK so far, otherwise I love them!
I think maybe it’s a quality control issue! Other than that, they truly are amazing!!
Ok If my idol Zumikito say so. Now I bieleve that AK is worth a try :)
@@jakubwechowski5786 you mean you don’t trust ME?? Ahaha 😂
@@ataraxiapainting It is just better to believe two similar opinion than single opinion :P
Thanks for sharing your video. In the future I will consider the Ak colors. 🙂
Glad of opening up new possibilities!!
I have some dayler Rowney inks for colours such as yellows. I mix a tiny bit of ink in with flash gits to get great consistency without loosing intensity - my tip of the day
Uuh that’s a great tip! I will try! Even though I use liquitex
Since I paint with Ak I don't use GW anymore except for some contrast paint.
The other problem with GW is the pot. The paint dry much faster and you can't mix easily, you always need to mix with a brush and the GW paints are too thick most of the time. Anyway I begin with intense set is so good. Thanks for your videos I discover your channel.
Thank you!! And yes when you discover something better you never go back… or almost never ahah. Anyway i personally don’t think pots are THAT bad! Droppers have their issues as well!
@@ataraxiapainting yes I know the explosion deopper issue ahaha
I have been painting warhammer miniatures for a couple of years and, as I imagine so many others, have accumulated a lot of gw colors over time trying to replicate the style of their training videos. Today, I feel a little more master of the hobby and I would leave the damn pots .. even if sometimes the 'recipes' are useful for replicating colors over time if you do whole armies. I find myself a slave to the gw colors and I'm afraid to alterate the tones of my armies if I used similar but different colors. I should only use AK on new projects and slowly replace everything
Having recipes it’s cool! But it also good to push ourselves out of the comfort zone and try to find those colors ourselves!! I suggest you try that marco!!
Extremely useful video!! Thank you!!
For citadel white, I added josonja medium and some generic brand airbrush thinner to the pot. And it actually made the paint workable. The pigments clump because the medium that I comes in sucks and has nothing to break up the pigments. I still end up using goldens titanium white alot. But thought it's worth noting GW white can be saved
Thanks for the video, any suggetion for kislev and cadia?
I am in love with the AK 3rd Gen paints. I moved away from Cit mainly because I had some dry up, which hasn't happened with Reaper and Army Painter but I found those rangers less quality to the 3rd Gen Ak. The miniatures I am most happy with have been painted with the 3rd Gen paints. They come in singles, big packs of 8 I think like the browns/leathers and 4 packs like Frozen Flesh which I picked up for a Ice mini. Some depends on individual style as well. 3rd Gen gels with me perfectly. But I know some guys who spray car models with the Dollarstore Craft Paints, and they look amazing. Which is something I can't do.
i started painting about 1,5years ago. And i started with citadel. Some paints got dry in less than 1 year. Citadel paints are very nice, but bottles are garbage. Paint gets dry sooo fast. So then, next time you are painting, probably paint is not as fluid as it should be. I tried AK paints last week, and they are amazing. They are as colorful as citadel. I dont see any reason to keep buying Citadel, unless you like a lot an specific color. For example, i love Averland Sunset. But is nearly same color in AK. So, i do agree with this girl. Go buy AK right now.
What do you think aboutnarmy painter warpaints and vallejo?
I love Ak products! Good quality for a fair price 👍
Oh yesss!! Agreed
I can't wait to pick up some of these to try. A cool idea would be to do some comparison of colours between the two for like substitutes if that makes sense? Like how you have done in the video for say Khorne Red, AK sub would be Wine Red. I haven't found one yet on the net and it would be a great tool to reference, I tried to find equivalent colours but the swatches on each website seem to be different :/
Yeah man conversion tables are weird!! I suggest you to try to step out of recipe and maybe try and understand color a bit more! I will do a video about gettin familiar with colors for beginners!! Is that a cool idea??
I wish ak interactive was more easily available in stores
very informative video! thank you very much!
did you try the inks from AK 3rd gen set? because no one seems to talk about them and I'm curious if they sort of work like Citadel or Vallejo washes...
Uhm yes I have some, they are very different from washes, they are more like inks but they are a bit too satin for my taste!
I've switched from Citadel to AK3gen some time ago, and I'm realy pleased with them. Ofc some of 3gen are performing bit worse, but over all I'm really happy with them.
Oh really? Which ones?? I just have trouble mixing them with the mediums sometimes 😂
Cadium Red, Frog Green and Clear Yellow. Cadium and frog are super gooey no matter how much i shake them, even after putting mixing balls and they require extra thinning. Clear yellow is leaving small brighter stains, but works good with airbrush. I think its just a matter of me having a bad batch.
I bought an ak interactive yellow set to test them out as i was so annoyed with the citadel yellows and it was game changing for me. I have since sold almost all my citadel paints and have upgraded to an almost entire Ak Interactive collection and never looked back.
Citadel have some decent paints but they arent worth the price you pay. Personally i find a massive quality difference between the two paint ranges and honestly considering how much cheaper ak interactive paints are at a much lower price point its a no brainer for me.
Agreed!
I switch to ak once i knew about it. Cheaper and much more easy to paint. But i do still using some citadel paint. Mostly metallic
throw out gw metallics for vallejo. much smoother affair. they flow very well and at least in the eu, they are about 1 € cheaper then citaldel and are bigger (18ml vs 12 ml citadel pots)
Agreed! Still, I heard good things about ak metallics as well! They blend really nicely!
I had to ask. Where did you buy those paint racks? I think i need a few.😄
They are just nail polish racks on Amazon!!
I am coming to the same conclusion. Love those dropper bottles, the lids don't roll around!
I've not had an easy time finding AK paints in the US. Anyone happen to know where I can purchase them reliably without paying out the butt for shipping?
Michigan Toy Soldier
Hopefully you will find help here!! From the official site you don’t send them??
Michigan Toy Store has an awesome selection thanks! I've been using Pro Acryl for a year and love them, but I see so many artists on YT using AK that I have to see what the hype is about.
@@gutsytoadsage6497 stick with pro acryl or scale. Because when you get use to paint thats that pigment rich. Anything that doesn't say kamara kolors, will only let you down.......just kinda kidding. Also war colours (a gel paint), are pretty good to (aftwr Vincet the tecniquenomancer) explained how to use them, and for some truly "FLAT" colours, you can't beat andreas miniature paints. But still GW & Vellejo is the most common mini paints to get your brush wet.
I really like AK paints, my only issue is with the company that has done some... less than ideal decisions on publicity and marketing campaigns, since then they released a couple of apologies that felt overly forced specially since some of the owners defended personally those campaings, I would recommend those paints but I will always recommend check on their background first and make your own decision towards
Yeah I knew about the campaign… still you never know what goes on behind te scenes of a company. There are many people who work hard and I don’t feel like condemning the whole brand for a decision of few of them. Does that make sense??
@@ataraxiapainting Of course I completely understand and I tend to focus on that too when I bought some of their products, but I like to keep in mind this things too 😊
@@Chu466 yeah I think it’s good to keep in mind that as well! But still, these colors are sooo good
Its not a fair comparison to compare Gen 3 to a layer paint and talk about its coverage because its intended to have less coverage, for layering purposes. I do like AK gen 3 paints though, those and Pro acryl are my go to paints.
Well actually all the colors I used for base coats are base colors 😕 caledor sky khorne red and aveland sunset!
@@ataraxiapainting I know, but those are not the ones I was talking about, hence why I said layer paint.
What paint line do you recommend for minipla/gunpla?
I never painted those, probably ak 3rd gen would work well on them as well
Use both love ak paints
Ak 3rd gen are amazing.
GW stuff is absolutely trash for it's price, the only well known brand that I'd say it's better than is army painter. The exception is contrast paints, those are pretty good.
Scale 75 is really good but a little bit harder to use than most paints. The scale 75 artist heavy bodied acrylics are some of my favorite due to their unique buttery consistency.
Kimera is the same but for different reason, it's great if you like mixing & are confident with thinning.
Vallejo used to be something I raved about but honestly the more I've learnt over the years the less I rate it, the biggest issues I have with vallejo is that their paints are about the most fragile things I've ever used. They also have some quality control issues with the bottles their product comes in, myself and a few friends have caps that have split, one person literally had their cap split on the way from the store after buying it. AK interactive 3rd gen are basically a better version of vallejo with none of the downsides. Two exceptions when it comes to Vallejo is the vallejo metal color, that unique metal paint is incredibly useful, the next is their basing texture paints in the big affordable tubs.
Green stuff world, I haven't used their normal acrylics as I've heard they are just ok, but their fluorescents, liquid pigments, fluorescent pigments, metal pigments are all top notch. I think the best way to talk about green stuff world is to say they are absolutely solid outside their normal paint range which is just ok.
Army painter, Just don't. They are low quality products whose only strength is their marketing, they take a ton more work to get good results out of and are inconsistent af.
Tamiya I can't really tell, I avoid their products because usually it's alcohol based on laquer etc and I don't want to deal with the extra steps, however they are very good by reputation, a very solid and long lived reputation at that.
secret weapon, no idea.
war colours, no idea either, heard good things, gel based acrylics.
Reaper is another I have no idea about. For this and the two above I just have found no reason to try them.
P3 while the company has done some incredibly dodgy things over the past years, like selling models with uncured resin, doing tutorial about painting that would misslead new painters to ruin their brush and use way too much paint (encouraging being wasteful) (this is what led p3 to turn off comments on their video tutorials so follow that trail to see which video if you want, now I think about it GW turns off their comments on their videos too), they do have some beautiful colors of paints, I love their necro gold and there is a rust color that is nice (bloodstone), I also hear people swear by coal black. I just don't see the real need to use their paints, for starters they are in those horrible pots, for second... there is just better competition out there.
Pro acryl, oh I want to love pro acryl, but I dislike their bottles, their bright gold and bronze is nice but alas their normal paints while having some incredibly gorgeous ones like bold pyrrole red, the paints don't act well if anything, and I mean ANYTHING messes with them.
For example put them on wet palette? they don't last anywhere near anything else, defeating half the point of a wet palette imo. I suspect their medium has great pros but at the cost of very specific cons.
If they weren't in those annoying unique bottles I'd probably still recommend them.
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Speaking of bottles, AK interactive 3rd gen ones are my favourite, the cap works really well to keep things not clogged and I have had no issues so far, in fact AK interactive 3rd gen is my recommendation of a paint that's good for beginners and desirable for pro's.
If you want a good recommendation point on this paint range: Sergio Calvo who paints the cover art of many busts/artist models mostly uses them for painting those.
Bro I should make a video just with the info you just shared ahah
Well, I haven't tried AK products yet. However, I switched from citadel to Vallejo for the same reasons; much more cost effective and better quality. Seriously, I was able to get around 109 bottles of paint (17ml) for less than $100!!! That's another thing GW lacks, sales, lol!
Yeah gw is way too expensive dude! Vallejo is another good brand, I would say in the top 3!!
You have more cuts in your video than there are paints in either range.
Meanwhile I use artist acrylics and wood laquer
What’s wood laquer? 🤣
@@ataraxiapainting Maybe that's a false friend, wood varnish is more fitting? Like the stuff you coat wooden floors with.
Sorry for break your 444 likes with my like.
why is it in hundreds
Because it’s the full range!
I hate GW pots, they are leaky and shit. My game store never has a full range of the paints either. They are way over priced.
I never agreed more about something ahah
The only Citadel paints worth buying are some of their Contrast colours. The pots alone are a big enough reason to just not bother. Utter shit. These 3rd gen AK paints are some of the best on the market. They're like a more refined Vallejo Model Color: thinner and flow much easier, less prone to splitting in the bottle, but retain the great opacity and dry very matte. They don't need horrendous amounts of shaking like Scale 75, are more matte than Pro Acryl and have a better range of tones than the vastly overrated Kimera Kolors.
Oh, one more thing. AK Interactive Ultra Matte Varnish. The absolute flattest finish you will get on a miniature short of non-varnished Scale 75 paint and separated Revell matte enamel varnish. Brilliant stuff when shot through an airbrush.
The Streaking Grime debacle is reason enough to avoid AK products at all costs.
What's this debacle? I've used it to muck up my DG and was pleased with the results.
You mean the books thing?
They have changed the recipe of streaking grime numerous times so it doesn’t match older bottles at all
AK is better, no match here ...
And you dont speak about airbrush .. in the gun, the AK is one of the best paint on the market
Agreed… I had a lot of issues with citadel paint through an airbrush… I gave that up a long time ago ahah
Oltre il costo, la boccetta GW è la vera bestemmia
Ahahah no dai è il minore
Yay, I'll still be passing on AK.
That’s okay!
Kimera for pure pigments, vallejo, AK, ProAcryl all perform beautifully.....citadel is overpriced, joke pigment garbage. No consistency, no matter what I did. I also use AK RC, Lifecolor, Tamiya, Gunze, Golden, Abteilung 502 oils and see their values. Sorry GW, you are outdated garbage.
That ear will look great when your 40
Aww thanks that’s sweet 🥰