I think it counts just not as one of his 3 main lives. I think the non canon deaths do count as deaths,they are just not bothered by them that much. I like to think that the server itself decides what is a canon death or not.And that when a canon death is coming or when there is actual danger,the characters feel it.I think all deaths are canon,just in a different way.I like to think that the "non canon" deaths do hurt but so much less than the canon ones.Since i don't wanna break the fourth wall,i can't mention writers.So instead i say it's the server itself deciding what is a more important death.I'm bad at explaining things but i hope some people understand what i'm trying to say.
Why was the first thought “they sound kinda like drista” my first thought I- Anyways- Great video! I appreciate it. I was caught up with the lore- but this definitely made some things clearer
something about these videos really gets to me. I usually am not usually easily disturbed or scared, but the simplest things in these videos gets to me, and I love it.
Wait in the manburg and pogtopia war when Tommy died I’m not sure if that was a cannon life if I remember correctly Tommy lost 2 cannon lives in the first Lmanburg war
Schlatt actually died to a stroke. Tubbo and Tommy just thought it was a heart attack, but smelling toast is actually a common sign that you're about to suffer a stroke
Wilbur just wrote "schlatt has a heart attack and fucking die" in the script. And schlatt be like: what did Wilbur write for me? I have a heart attack and fucking die,oh I smells toast. He shouldn't said I smells toast if the script just worte he have a heart attack.
Someone else came up with this theory and now I’m scared af Spoilers for Tommy’s stream: also tw: death, and suicide (it’s just a theory tho) So ummm did anyone else feel like Tommy was talking almost as though he was going to die? And that got me thinking. what if it was Tommy who stole the nuke? And he is planning a suicide mission to kill Dream, where he uses the tnt canon to open a hole to get in and then when he reaches Dream he detonates the nuke which would kill both of them? He also was talking about doing it for the greater good, so what if what Wilbur said to him in the afterlife about how they “made the server worse” got to him and he thinks it would better for everyone if he died again but this time taking Dream with him?
i did get something wrong in this video: techno didn’t take a canon life from tommy - all 3 of them were taken by dream (final control room, duel, and prison). thank you to the comments that clarified this to me! these videos are a one person job, so i’m bound to make a few mistakes here and there, but i will be sure to proofread my scripts a few more times next time. i hope the rest of the video is still helpful to you! 💜 edit: yes, i know that the disc is far, not cat. i just needed a pic of tommy holding some discs and that was the only one i could find heh. contrary to popular belief, i also am not drista.
@@aaronxlycan2880 he is a child that's what children do not listen and break rules I don't think adults are meant to manipulate children and threaten to kill them or just kill then yk ( I'm talking about character dream )
@@mosquiche9359 no his character isn't Wilbur just thought 13 years has passed in the normal world too he got confused I think his character is still a miner
@@OhSeeBarber Ah yes.... Tommy and his friends used Techno in the pogtopia vs manburg war by replacing Wilburs role as president to Tubbo. Techno is an anarchist so.... He didnt like it. Tommy onced again used Techno for hiding him from Dream after Tommy escaped exile. Techno said he wanted to destroy lmanberg with Tommy but Tommy didnt agree and decided to fight along side lmanberg. Wich also means Tommy betrayed Techno *again.* And also, Tommy never thought Techno as a friend, and Techno knew all along. So your commemt wasnt an insult but a fact except for the end. If you meant in character, thats pog. (Sorry for bad grammar)
It’s 12am and I’ve got school tomorrow but screw it you’ve posted and this is more important. Heh good thing I have insomnia and won’t sleep anyways am I right? Yay for optimism! But seriously great job on this vid! I can’t even imagine the time u spend on these things.
Ah yes, Hamilton rolplay area, my favorite also, there was a Fundy stream on osmp earlier about making a drug van or sumn and all I could thing was history repeats itself vjxhxjjdj
as a relatively new inniter, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS I've watched so many recaps i always think I understand but then there's a bunch of lore from before I joined the fandom that I completely missed :'D anyway thank you v!! i adore you, great video!!
Wait i had no idea that techno took a canon life. Im pretty sure the canon life was from Eret's betray, the dual and then dream killing him in prison. (All of the deaths were by dream).....yeah I'm sure they've confirmed it 😅
Just a little clarification, from my understanding, Tommy's original deal with Techno was that Tommy would only help Techno get his armor and tools back from L'manburg, and that he'd only participate in minor acts of terrorism, in return, Techno would help get the discs back. It wasn't until just before the community house incident that Techno revealed that the only goal the whole time was to destroy L'manburg completely. Tommy, sort of agreed? but was very on the fence about it when the Community House thing happened and Tommy realized he wasn't being true to himself or his friends while he was with Techno. This is what lead to the betrayal I believe. What I think is most important about this fact, is that Techno is NOT absolved of blame in the situation. Techno claims he was clear in his intentions, but he wasn't. He was only really "clear" at the very very end, and left Tommy with no other choices, and refused compromise. While Techno has every right to be angry for being treated like a weapon, Techno dose have to realize that he is not the only victim of betrayal here. The problem with Techno's character is very much his mentality on "His way or the High way." Its anarchy or death with him and he never once dose he think about the consequences of Anarchy on anyone except him and maybe Phil. Sure he and Phil would thrive in an anarchist world, because they have the power and skill to do so, but what about everyone else? What about the people who cant defend themselves, or those who don't have the resources to fight? Are they just too weak to have the right to exist? If that's the way he thinks then I feel he needs to look at himself a little more before accusing all government officials of being Tyrants.
@@lavenderisdedagain4554 alright first of all techno hiding the truth from tommy until the very end is reasonable for techno besides tommy has had a VERY rocky relation and there isn't that much fighting anymore because there is no government and lore standpoint? please elaborate :)
@@lucianoroberti1734 So, by lore standpoint, I mean for the story to make any sense, the land has to be populated by civilian people who are just not played by any of the CC's. These innocent civilians would have little to do with the plot other tan collateral but they are important nonetheless. These are the mother's and children and the weak who would not be able to defend themselves in Techno's version of a perfect world. Another thing, so the relationship was rocky, so? dose that give techno an excuse to be dishonest and then claim otherwise after? another thing is I'm not painting Techno as some sort of evil villain in this situation, I'm saying I'm tired of everyone pretending that Techno did nothing wrong and is somehow absolved of the consequences. I'm also not painting Tommy as some saint either, he made mistakes and the betrayal was fucked, but it was reasonable. I'm saying the situation is so much more gray then people like to portray it as and I'm sick of pretending it's Black and White. I mean what would you even do in the same situation Tommy was, would really choose the guy who told you to die in the past, is making you feel like you've become a different person you dont like, and destroyed your country, beat you in a pit and told you the only universal language was violence, and almost gave you back to your abuser for no reason, over your country, your best friend who exiled you under tremendous pressure that you've already expressed understanding of, and literally all your other friends? And either way it was a loose loose situation because both ways he becomes a traitor. its betray Techno or L'manburg and I can tell you the fandom would react the same way for both options. There was no right answer.
if only she knew that a few days later after uploading this ghostbur will enter the prison but will never leave instead Wilbur will return forever leaving ghostbur and everything he stood for behind
Dream smp lore before Wilbur: Tommy: I’m just going to troll dream and I need my disc back Dream smp: after Wilbur: Tommy: I was revived once and something something ghostbur
My head canon is that Tommy's chaos drove Dream insane. Dream started as a peace keeper, and became an agent of chaos with the intent of absolute control.
I think your on to something but I don't think he was drove him insane more like gave him epiphany. When dream took the disc and saw how much Tommy was fighting for them he realized how much they meant to him and notice that if Tommy loves this so much then everyone else has to have something the same value. Dream realizes that instead of negotiating and telling people what to do and what not to do he can rather manipulate then with the things they love to get them to do what he wants. You can call dream a peace keeper but what you call peace is different in every mind and dream wanted his way to be the only way. Dream didn't need that apology yet he fought and twisted the situation. Apologizes aren't wrong but how can you get a apology from someone who believes differently. This is why dream believes Tommy's the key since Tommy was the one that awoke this idea in him and Tommy is also the one who encourages people to fight for that they love that's like Tommy's major thing. I do think insanity may have got to dream more recently but I think what got to dream was his lust of power and it was always there since the start if you start to look more closely. His drive to get what he wants just like Tommy but Tommy is more for a pride reason then dream is more for a control reason.
20:31 well if you really think about it the reason dream became the way he is was because of trying to preserve the pease between the server, But then changed more and more as he started to realize he cannot stop tommy from causing chaos, So be exiled him, Then is when he started to change himself. He started manipulation and then realized that tommy could give him leverage over everyone, That was his Evil Ark, but even in Prison, dream still thinks that he was in the right, and tommy has always thought that dream was the evil and he was the good. Most character in the dream smp lore sure has some radical views on how to “Fix” things.
@@azizuladnan2957 absolutely, it is a critical story beat. Honestly I was surprised it wasn’t mentioned. But I guess the video was only focused on how events effected Tommy. The real interesting contrast between Niki and Jack is so interesting, as their entire story arcs are, and I loved to see that moment where jack was truly the last one to hold on to the grudge.
I just want to say thank you, your videos have helped me alot with understanding the things happening in the dream smp, from the "So you want to start watching the DreamSMP" to this video, again, thannk you so much!
Ok but, imagine if tommy areyd with techno? What would have happaned back then? 1 Edit: And also, what Will happend? Like, some people are theorising that tommy stolle the nukes and want to go on a suacide mission bc he has been speaking about death in a different way?? Idk.. 2 Edit: i only now realise that tommys lore reminds me a lot of Steven universe ;¬;
You forgot to mention he got framed for the explosion of the community house, but still managed to bring everyone together to try and go against dream.
Thank you! I joined the fandom so late and have been struggling understanding the past lore. This helped a lot and was very clear. So thanks for making this :D
12:45 So all of this is correct but I m 99.9% sure that techno never took a cannon live from Tommy cuz he would be dead: Dream has taken every single canonical live from Tommy. The bunker The duel for L‘Manburg And The Prison
YES Finally! thank you! :) 9:32 I personally love how the wanted poster's show the character's personality's, techno being preactically done with it, wilbur being (practically) a president, and dream being a sociopath! 25:24 *someone finally talks about his mental health* :.)
I find lore rlly hard to keep up with because I'm very busy with school and overall it can get a bit complicated when there is a lot going on at once, story wise. Thank you for making this video and putting in time to make it as simple to follow as possible. means a lot!
Just realized how long of a fan I am. All this happened in front of me wow. Tho after the disc saga and the eggpire it all seems way to staged and it's not really fun anymore.
@@flaoro as i already stated i am a long timr viewer u think i wont know that? Before it was staged but it now it dosent even feel natural before if u see felt way natural and hyped.
@@ItsAK69 It's not like that one show where everything is just repeating again and again. It's also boring seeing everything repeating. You want the disc saga to not end?, Like bruh
@@digital_leo96 its not like i dont want it to end i want something interesting and fun to watch unlike eggpire. As wilber is back as the main script writer hopefully its againg going to be intresting. Like wilber coming back to life was.
@@ghozty3866 yeah i have no idea what they said either but i was exaggerating lol, i’m a tommy apologist too but he fs made mistakes that weren’t results of trauma.
this is really cool
just got noticed by a child, feeling good!
Woah you actually commented
was this just posted
Pog
pog
Even though I'm caught up with everything this is still so helpful
same haha
same lmao
Same
I know right!
Same
12:52 a slight error that life isn't canon all Tommy's life is taken by dream one in final control room other in the duel amd last one in prison
I think it counts just not as one of his 3 main lives.
I think the non canon deaths do count as deaths,they are just not bothered by them that much.
I like to think that the server itself decides what is a canon death or not.And that when a canon death is coming or when there is actual danger,the characters feel it.I think all deaths are canon,just in a different way.I like to think that the "non canon" deaths do hurt but so much less than the canon ones.Since i don't wanna break the fourth wall,i can't mention writers.So instead i say it's the server itself deciding what is a more important death.I'm bad at explaining things but i hope some people understand what i'm trying to say.
@@Aidselin just look at wiki all 3 is taken by dream this was death just in collateral damage
@@ranjanasharan4051 I'm talking about my theory here.I know about the wiki a read shit on it yesterday.
Tommy has 1 canon life left, Dream revived Tommy in the prision.
@@Aidselin stop using .'s and ''s when you're trash at using them please...
7:18 "following this, there was a period of peace, but it didn't last long." The entire SMP in a nutshell
Tommy lore
Long answer: 0:00 to 26:00
Short answer: DISCS
Here we go, another one
Honestly this was really good summary of everything, I am too lazy to go through tons of streams so this was really nice thank you!
That's been a while since i last heard the dark auction music
Thanks you got me caught up in everything I need to know without having to drag back all the way to the start of the SMP!! Thank you. :)
0 dislikes. Like it should be
Why was the first thought “they sound kinda like drista” my first thought I-
Anyways- Great video! I appreciate it. I was caught up with the lore- but this definitely made some things clearer
just wanna appreciate the thumbnail for a minute, it's really good.
21:33 ahh yes the calming music in the background is amazing while the topic is killing friends, death and destruction
something about these videos really gets to me. I usually am not usually easily disturbed or scared, but the simplest things in these videos gets to me, and I love it.
am i the only one whos been watching the smp from day 1 and has been caught up on lore and everything but still likes to watch these??
7:55
Tommy really did a Super Mario jump there
I have y to see anyone say this yet, so it’ll be me I guess.
I love your cover art! So good!
you deserve way more subs there are 1000s of hours of lore hope you grow
**you might wanted to have waited a bit before making this video**
this video was more for the purpose of earlier lore anyway :)
the wither death isn’t canon his canon lives are in the final control room and the bow duel
This does t really relate to the video but I love the faint music box version of heir of grief in the background at the beginning
LMAO HER VOICE KINDA SOUNDS LIKE DRISTA
Wait in the manburg and pogtopia war when Tommy died I’m not sure if that was a cannon life if I remember correctly Tommy lost 2 cannon lives in the first Lmanburg war
Tommy really just captain price
the tommy impression...
I believe Schlatt is not coming back, he’s just been doing so much other stuff I think he’d rather not come back
1:22 the disc on the right is actually called "far" :)
The fact that this is over 20 minutes long
plz give Tommy some peace hes getting too much trauma
Imagine if he had just said sorry
Ah yes I remember when we all wanted a villain arc and we got a depression arc
I still want villain arc
@@kissatassuk4935 same
@@kissatassuk4935 same :(
If we are lucky he may side with Wilbur
@@ratwithblackdeath4377 Why though?
Especially if our good friend Wimbler is a C!Dream stan.
This got him so much trauma he got PTSD now..
especially after today’s lore😭
@@mags233 oh no
....
@@digital_leo96 Hello Error 👁👁
Crinj
tommy can’t have a “chill arc” or a “happy arc” for a second 😰
That's character tommy real tommy is a total sweet heart
@@cath_innit4153 I know, I was talking about his character 🧍
@@yurification9925 sorry you had me confused 😅
so c!tommy you mean?
i feel like the closest we’ve gotten and ever will get to something like that was those few weeks when c!Tommy was focused on building his hotel
The fact that there is almost no game footage you used and all of this is made by you is insane
It’s best not to use the term ins*ne as it is ableist but ye I agree :)
@@hithere2477 awesome would work too
@@hithere2477 insane insane insane insane insane insane
@@bobbyjacob7930 bestie ur not funny or edgy 😅
@@hithere2477 insane ain't a bad word ur insane to believe so
Wilbur "just came back feeling good."
Y
Yes
HAHAH
@@pritikagurung4521 Why what?
🍴
Schlatt actually died to a stroke. Tubbo and Tommy just thought it was a heart attack, but smelling toast is actually a common sign that you're about to suffer a stroke
anyone smell toast- *OOF*
wait what's that smell-
*Guess I'll die*
I smell toast rn,
am I going to die?? /j
nope mom making me toast ✌️
Wilbur just wrote "schlatt has a heart attack and fucking die" in the script.
And schlatt be like: what did Wilbur write for me? I have a heart attack and fucking die,oh I smells toast.
He shouldn't said I smells toast if the script just worte he have a heart attack.
Poor tommy has faced everything at start he was dependent on wilbur now he is all alone taking decision himself (and we all know he will mess things)
Lol its a game
@@itstrix2096 I am talking about the character u don't see a role play where u symphatise with someone andsay "lol it's scripted"
Mess things?
@@hashhbrownn560 yep like how he messed up his plan to kill drean
stfu stan
Someone else came up with this theory and now I’m scared af
Spoilers for Tommy’s stream: also tw: death, and suicide (it’s just a theory tho) So ummm did anyone else feel like Tommy was talking almost as though he was going to die? And that got me thinking. what if it was Tommy who stole the nuke? And he is planning a suicide mission to kill Dream, where he uses the tnt canon to open a hole to get in and then when he reaches Dream he detonates the nuke which would kill both of them? He also was talking about doing it for the greater good, so what if what Wilbur said to him in the afterlife about how they “made the server worse” got to him and he thinks it would better for everyone if he died again but this time taking Dream with him?
Sorry 😞 didn't happen
I miss ghostbur.
I need this
....sadly...
I love this theory OMG SDHBHSBHSDB I HOPE IT HAPPENSSS *THIS IS LORE MANNN*
Tommy is my favorite character and now everytime I see someone say some dumb stuff about my boi I'm linking them this vid
fax
Tommyinnit apologist? :')
@@mei-sqrd and?
@@Itz_Taya. - Uhhh- nevermind- (this is the part where I pretend this conversation never happened-)
6:34
"What sword? There is no sword"
17:03
"What tommy? There is no tommy"
@Amit Yurany Lucero Pablo wingdings
@Amit Yurany Lucero Pablo wait no, that's possibly wrong
@Amit Yurany Lucero Pablo lol I can read enderman
i did get something wrong in this video: techno didn’t take a canon life from tommy - all 3 of them were taken by dream (final control room, duel, and prison). thank you to the comments that clarified this to me! these videos are a one person job, so i’m bound to make a few mistakes here and there, but i will be sure to proofread my scripts a few more times next time. i hope the rest of the video is still helpful to you! 💜
edit: yes, i know that the disc is far, not cat. i just needed a pic of tommy holding some discs and that was the only one i could find heh. contrary to popular belief, i also am not drista.
@@robloxlover4208 woah, woah, what?
@@robloxlover4208 woah woah, why would you say that to them? It was an honest mistake-
@@robloxlover4208 dude, your 8 that’s a no no word
Yeah I was confused I thought it was the duel that killed him
That’s amazing writing. All of Tommy’s lost canon lives were from Dream, and all of Dream’s lost canon lives are from Tommy.
SOMEONE JUST GIVE TOMMY SOME PEACE PLEASE-
Yeah no I see why dream is angry at him if Tommy wasn't so prideful he'd never went through such things it's all his fault
@@aaronxlycan2880 he is a child that's what children do not listen and break rules
I don't think adults are meant to manipulate children and threaten to kill them or just kill then yk ( I'm talking about character dream )
Hey , he got axe of PEACE , so he has some peace
@@ghozty3866 isn't his character like in his 20s?
@@mosquiche9359 no his character isn't Wilbur just thought 13 years has passed in the normal world too he got confused I think his character is still a miner
"Tommy is incredibly loyal to his friends"
_TechnoBlade has joined the server_
Techno did not earn a position as tommys friend, cuz he's an asshole
@@OhSeeBarber Ah yes....
Tommy and his friends used Techno in the pogtopia vs manburg war by replacing Wilburs role as president to Tubbo. Techno is an anarchist so.... He didnt like it.
Tommy onced again used Techno for hiding him from Dream after Tommy escaped exile. Techno said he wanted to destroy lmanberg with Tommy but Tommy didnt agree and decided to fight along side lmanberg. Wich also means Tommy betrayed Techno *again.*
And also, Tommy never thought Techno as a friend, and Techno knew all along. So your commemt wasnt an insult but a fact except for the end. If you meant in character, thats pog. (Sorry for bad grammar)
@@OhSeeBarber i mean, to be fair so is tommy, but thats kinda his thing.
Very loyal 😒
It’s 12am and I’ve got school tomorrow but screw it you’ve posted and this is more important. Heh good thing I have insomnia and won’t sleep anyways am I right? Yay for optimism! But seriously great job on this vid! I can’t even imagine the time u spend on these things.
@Gabs I do online classes and I’ve finished most of my classes early so don’t worry lmao. Stay in school kids
so much time ,,,, i got so sick of editing after this that i did hw all day today 💀 stay in lore kids!
@@vvbutnotv XD
Ah yes, Hamilton rolplay area, my favorite
also, there was a Fundy stream on osmp earlier about making a drug van or sumn and all I could thing was history repeats itself vjxhxjjdj
when your realize that the dream SMP will become nostalgic
Dumbass the your is stupid and english isnt even main language your grammar is like me years ago
@@DecisionsAreQuestionable is you are stupid?
@@DecisionsAreQuestionable geez calm down it was probably just a typo
@@DecisionsAreQuestionable ah yes, your grammar confused my brain more then the actual comment. *really*
I like how wilber got revived 2 days later
it isn't like 2 days it was only just 5 months or something
I THOUGHT NOVEMBER WAS 5 MONTHS AGO WHY IS TIME GOING SO FAST-
Wilbur*
@@zaddybytes494 i think they meant real life days after this video came out
as a relatively new inniter, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS I've watched so many recaps i always think I understand but then there's a bunch of lore from before I joined the fandom that I completely missed :'D anyway thank you v!! i adore you, great video!!
AYUP welcome new inniter 😎
Bestie, the lore today really got me
me too 😭 video this weekend!
@@vvbutnotv POG
Wait i had no idea that techno took a canon life. Im pretty sure the canon life was from Eret's betray, the dual and then dream killing him in prison. (All of the deaths were by dream).....yeah I'm sure they've confirmed it 😅
Yea
my bad! you’re correct, i didn’t realize that the techno one wasn’t canon
@@vvbutnotv WHY DO U SOUND LIKE DRISTA
@@vvbutnotv are you drista?
@@bucketmouthdonkey8001 no that isnt Drista, but he/she does sound similar.
25:23
“Tommy killing Dream?”
Me: HE was BUT IT WENT WRONG AND WILBUR CAME BACK!!!
AND GHOSTBUR IS GONE!!! I STILL CAN'T GET OVER IT NOOOO😭😭😭
@@joshikanotfound9934 😭😭😭😭😭
@@joshikanotfound9934 its okay your not alone :(
Just a little clarification, from my understanding, Tommy's original deal with Techno was that Tommy would only help Techno get his armor and tools back from L'manburg, and that he'd only participate in minor acts of terrorism, in return, Techno would help get the discs back. It wasn't until just before the community house incident that Techno revealed that the only goal the whole time was to destroy L'manburg completely. Tommy, sort of agreed? but was very on the fence about it when the Community House thing happened and Tommy realized he wasn't being true to himself or his friends while he was with Techno. This is what lead to the betrayal I believe.
What I think is most important about this fact, is that Techno is NOT absolved of blame in the situation. Techno claims he was clear in his intentions, but he wasn't. He was only really "clear" at the very very end, and left Tommy with no other choices, and refused compromise. While Techno has every right to be angry for being treated like a weapon, Techno dose have to realize that he is not the only victim of betrayal here. The problem with Techno's character is very much his mentality on "His way or the High way." Its anarchy or death with him and he never once dose he think about the consequences of Anarchy on anyone except him and maybe Phil. Sure he and Phil would thrive in an anarchist world, because they have the power and skill to do so, but what about everyone else? What about the people who cant defend themselves, or those who don't have the resources to fight? Are they just too weak to have the right to exist? If that's the way he thinks then I feel he needs to look at himself a little more before accusing all government officials of being Tyrants.
to weak to exist??? pretty much everyone has netherite armor and tools XD
@@lucianoroberti1734 Lore standpoint man, and not everyone dose?
@@lavenderisdedagain4554 alright first of all techno hiding the truth from tommy until the very end is reasonable for techno besides tommy has had a VERY rocky relation and there isn't that much fighting anymore because there is no government
and lore standpoint? please elaborate :)
@@lucianoroberti1734 So, by lore standpoint, I mean for the story to make any sense, the land has to be populated by civilian people who are just not played by any of the CC's. These innocent civilians would have little to do with the plot other tan collateral but they are important nonetheless. These are the mother's and children and the weak who would not be able to defend themselves in Techno's version of a perfect world. Another thing, so the relationship was rocky, so? dose that give techno an excuse to be dishonest and then claim otherwise after? another thing is I'm not painting Techno as some sort of evil villain in this situation, I'm saying I'm tired of everyone pretending that Techno did nothing wrong and is somehow absolved of the consequences. I'm also not painting Tommy as some saint either, he made mistakes and the betrayal was fucked, but it was reasonable. I'm saying the situation is so much more gray then people like to portray it as and I'm sick of pretending it's Black and White. I mean what would you even do in the same situation Tommy was, would really choose the guy who told you to die in the past, is making you feel like you've become a different person you dont like, and destroyed your country, beat you in a pit and told you the only universal language was violence, and almost gave you back to your abuser for no reason, over your country, your best friend who exiled you under tremendous pressure that you've already expressed understanding of, and literally all your other friends? And either way it was a loose loose situation because both ways he becomes a traitor. its betray Techno or L'manburg and I can tell you the fandom would react the same way for both options. There was no right answer.
@@lucianoroberti1734 Another thing, hiding the truth was reasonable HOW? how is that reasonable?
if only she knew that a few days later after uploading this ghostbur will enter the prison but will never leave instead Wilbur will return forever leaving ghostbur and everything he stood for behind
y'all sleeping on the puns in the editing.
"dream frames tommy" **tommy in a picture frame**
Dang that Heir Of Grief Song Is Perfect For him in the beginning
Dream smp lore before Wilbur:
Tommy: I’m just going to troll dream and I need my disc back
Dream smp: after Wilbur:
Tommy: I was revived once and something something ghostbur
"Oh my god! That was sick" like tommyinnit always say :)
Homestuck music. I love it.
*the entirety of Reddit wants to know your location*
@Josh Le Toby Fox worked on some of the music for Homestuck so that is pretty accurate.
I'm literally only here because the two trucks but swing rythm
My head canon is that Tommy's chaos drove Dream insane. Dream started as a peace keeper, and became an agent of chaos with the intent of absolute control.
I think your on to something but I don't think he was drove him insane more like gave him epiphany. When dream took the disc and saw how much Tommy was fighting for them he realized how much they meant to him and notice that if Tommy loves this so much then everyone else has to have something the same value. Dream realizes that instead of negotiating and telling people what to do and what not to do he can rather manipulate then with the things they love to get them to do what he wants. You can call dream a peace keeper but what you call peace is different in every mind and dream wanted his way to be the only way. Dream didn't need that apology yet he fought and twisted the situation. Apologizes aren't wrong but how can you get a apology from someone who believes differently. This is why dream believes Tommy's the key since Tommy was the one that awoke this idea in him and Tommy is also the one who encourages people to fight for that they love that's like Tommy's major thing. I do think insanity may have got to dream more recently but I think what got to dream was his lust of power and it was always there since the start if you start to look more closely. His drive to get what he wants just like Tommy but Tommy is more for a pride reason then dream is more for a control reason.
20:31 well if you really think about it the reason dream became the way he is was because of trying to preserve the pease between the server, But then changed more and more as he started to realize he cannot stop tommy from causing chaos, So be exiled him, Then is when he started to change himself. He started manipulation and then realized that tommy could give him leverage over everyone, That was his Evil Ark, but even in Prison, dream still thinks that he was in the right, and tommy has always thought that dream was the evil and he was the good. Most character in the dream smp lore sure has some radical views on how to “Fix” things.
Ooh I'm excited
WOAH 26 MINUTES-
Tommy’s lore is so dense that a literal attempt to get him nuked is glossed over and it doesn’t really matter that much.
But it does builds up Niki's and Jack's character more
Where at the end... one says "I started baking again..." and another, still wants revenge...
@@azizuladnan2957 absolutely, it is a critical story beat. Honestly I was surprised it wasn’t mentioned.
But I guess the video was only focused on how events effected Tommy.
The real interesting contrast between Niki and Jack is so interesting, as their entire story arcs are, and I loved to see that moment where jack was truly the last one to hold on to the grudge.
@@technobeagle9598 and Fundy's denial as well!
I feel like all thos newcomers don't even know Fundy is Wilbur's son, Phil's grandson
Going back to the beginning now is really helping me understand the motives that Dream has and has had this whole time. Thanks for the hard work!!!♡♡
I just want to say thank you, your videos have helped me alot with understanding the things happening in the dream smp, from the "So you want to start watching the DreamSMP" to this video, again, thannk you so much!
Yo he is sort of like Steven Universe
They both have a lot of trauma at a young age
i dont even need this ive been with him almost all the way, but im still vibing
Ok but, imagine if tommy areyd with techno? What would have happaned back then?
1 Edit: And also, what Will happend? Like, some people are theorising that tommy stolle the nukes and want to go on a suacide mission bc he has been speaking about death in a different way?? Idk..
2 Edit: i only now realise that tommys lore reminds me a lot of Steven universe ;¬;
am i watching a cube world roleplay instead of studying? YEAH, AND?
"Dream punches Tommy to death"
No no no
Dream potatos Tommy to death
You forgot to mention he got framed for the explosion of the community house, but still managed to bring everyone together to try and go against dream.
Love this stuff thank you, you keep me updated lol
we still don't even know who his parents really are because it's canonacly not phil
Thank you! I joined the fandom so late and have been struggling understanding the past lore. This helped a lot and was very clear. So thanks for making this :D
What will he do if Wilbur comes back??
Hummm good question indeed...
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Wait this Has like 5 k views WTF this feels like something that should go viral, i
The image for the "tommy my beloved" UAHDHSKSLSJ
This went out of date feast just because the stream today
DUDEEEE IVE BEEN STUDYING TOMMYINNITS LORE FOR EVER THANK YOU SO MUCH
12:45 So all of this is correct but I m 99.9% sure that techno never took a cannon live from Tommy cuz he would be dead: Dream has taken every single canonical live from Tommy.
The bunker
The duel for L‘Manburg
And The Prison
Tommy’s lore is basically
He’s just some random British guy with a lot British friends
with trauma
@@txtstan2707 exactly
People who just came to the video Wilbur came back :)
why did you put the "what sword? there is no sword" in ender/void? also i can read it lol
just a little reference to the ranboo lore video heh
@@vvbutnotv ah, ok!
yooo this is anazing!! small question, what music was played in the greek mythology section?
respite from the undertale OST !
@@vvbutnotv ty!!
the fact you can say pogtopia without laughing is stunning
this vde is really high quality, better than some larger channels
Wilbur✨
YES
Finally!
thank you! :)
9:32
I personally love how the wanted poster's show the character's personality's, techno being preactically done with it, wilbur being (practically) a president, and dream being a sociopath!
25:24
*someone finally talks about his mental health*
:.)
I love how you used a slowed-down version of the Able Sisters for the Exile Arc. That was just excellent in my opinion. *chef's kiss*
1:23 ah yes, my favourite disc, "cat"
you did the swing tempo
You should do a character analysis on Tubbo!!
Alternate title: Tommyinnit and dream play hot potato with CDs and actual lives
love the editing💀
I find lore rlly hard to keep up with because I'm very busy with school and overall it can get a bit complicated when there is a lot going on at once, story wise. Thank you for making this video and putting in time to make it as simple to follow as possible. means a lot!
This is so good although, I am already caught up! But this is good for new comers:D
Just realized how long of a fan I am. All this happened in front of me wow. Tho after the disc saga and the eggpire it all seems way to staged and it's not really fun anymore.
It is staged, there's a written outline and everything. They have actually said this. That's the point of it, this is like a show
@@flaoro as i already stated i am a long timr viewer u think i wont know that? Before it was staged but it now it dosent even feel natural before if u see felt way natural and hyped.
@@ItsAK69 It's not like that one show where everything is just repeating again and again. It's also boring seeing everything repeating. You want the disc saga to not end?, Like bruh
@@digital_leo96 its not like i dont want it to end i want something interesting and fun to watch unlike eggpire. As wilber is back as the main script writer hopefully its againg going to be intresting. Like wilber coming back to life was.
So much has happened in TWO DAYS lmao
actually you could’ve explained it by saying “TOMMY HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING WRONG EVER”
I'm a Tommy apologist but I think he made mistakes too
Your completely right nothing he did was ever wrong. Murder is Okay! 👍 Especially on children!
@@SatoreyGojo I couldn't get my head around this sentence
@@ghozty3866 yeah i have no idea what they said either but i was exaggerating lol, i’m a tommy apologist too but he fs made mistakes that weren’t results of trauma.
@@ghozty3866 Use a big brain like Tommyinnit
Tommy all the time: I'm friends with GeorgeNotFound.
First day on DreamSMP-Dream to Tommy: you are under arrest for the murder of GeorgeNotFound.
The SMP lore is more intresting then all the history in the world