Hey Guys! A lot of criticism on this video about how I came to the conclusion that some battery packs were lying about their capacity. Let me explain why I did this the way I did. The reason I did not charge and discharge these batteries was to save time ( I am running a full-scale repair business as well as creating these videos). While there is a slight chance the writing on the batteries was fabricated the likelihood of that is not high. Batteries in battery packs are often sourced from different manufacturers than those who create the battery packs, which is why the stamping on the batteries were different from the advertised mAh of the packs that we're being dishonest. The point of this video was to raise awareness of this issue and ensure any individual buying a battery pack from Amazon, Ali express or any similar website thinks twice before purchasing a battery pack with absurd advertised capacities. If anyone would like to charge and discharge the batteries I have taken a look at in this video, feel free to tag me and I will repost the video. P.S - my team and I use two of these battery packs currently and are planning to make one large battery pack with the leftover batteries ( Aside from the pierced one ). Hope this clears up any confusion, once again thank you guys so much for the support and I hope you guys are having a wonderful day :)
@@SunnyBoy88844 bro its called a sarcasm. Life’s not meant to be taken so seriously. The reason you’re able to tell its a lie is because it’s blatant sarcasm. Wish you all the best man, thank you for watching and supporting me🙌🏼🙏
A little tip from someone that was doing the same thing and almost caught my house on fire, Keep a bucket of sand nearby, it will extinguish most batteries
3:28 seeing the power bank I specifically chose for my dad to order scared me but seeing its actually not lying made me happy that I chose something that was advertised correctly
Seeing how the first one has more Watt hour than my laptop powerbank, I already knew something was off. Its good that people are more aware of these scams now
It is important to note that even if your battery is 10,000mAh you still aren’t going to get all 10,000 you can expect to lose about 10-100 watts from the circuit that is responsible for stepping up the 3.7 volts to 5 volts depending on how well made the circuit is.
@@Random_4400 i dont think you understand. He probably meant you are losing 10-100Wh (wich is ridiculus, probably more like 0.1-0.2Wh on modern ones). imagine this, you have a 10000mah battery listed with 29Wh capacity. If it can output 29Watt continuously, it will be able to charge your whatever for 1h. If it can charge at 22.5Watt, it will last for 1.29h. Got it? great. you cant lose 10-100watt as it doesnt tell you how much capacity you lose. watthour/-s does.
It's like they said here's a 16000 MAH power battery and someone higher up said" just lie and double the number. They would have already bought it at that point anyway."
The issue is that if they say higher then they are better than the lower ones. Hence, more sale. If they try to match other then there is more chance that other people will buy other brands.
I love how the companies keep using the mAh just to make that number huge! It's like saying your car's fuel tank takes 55.000ml, or 55.000.000μl of fuel :) On another note, even the ones that are not lying about the battery capacity, are not correct in their specs. The battery output goes through a DC-DC up converter circuit to be able to raise the average voltage from 3.7v to 5v. Even at a theoretical 100% efficiency, the delivered rated capacity would be no more than 74% of the battery's. The correct specs should state how much electric charge is actually delivered.
Some exeptions are to be made here, some list the mha at 9v and clerly state the W/H to advertise its safe to carry on airplanes. To be clear this only counts for Packs around 90 W/H
I found this video by searching to see if somebody broached the topic. I bought 20,000 mah battery bank that was about the right size to actually have it - thinking I was going about it in a smart way - and in reality it topped out at no more than 4400mah. Super upsetti
I actually own two of the 20000MAh INIU packs myself, and one of them can charge my 4500mah phone 4 times, so I can confirm that the actual capacity is very close, if not the same as the one listed. Their warranty is also great because when I thought that mine broke, I requested another one and they shipped it to me within 3 days. Additionally, the powerbank is nice to touch, albeit it is easy to scratch the soft material, and if you drop it you should say bye bye as I did in my case.
if you can get 4 charges (about 18000mah) out from it, it means that the battery is actually around 20ah or more. Powerbanks generally loses 10-15% of their capacity to powerlosses for example the battery is 3,7V and it needs to be boosted to 5V so there is loss already, then the cables etc resistances so you are looking at 100% legit battery
Here are the two INIUbattery packs. Make sure you guys check the reviews, most advertising to be 30800mAh are probably lying! Thank you guys for watching! amzn.to/3BGBr2q amzn.to/3p8gVTj
Only charged cells are dangerous. Below 10% and you can mangle them as much as you want. Linus said it was dangerous without telling how it’s dangerous. Don’t get sucked into the fear mongering about batteries, handle it properly and it’s fine.
Prodding a metal spudger into a new battery which should be around 60 to 75% charged is not handling then properly. These packs go up in toxic smoke and potentially flange very easily.
@@jakejakedowntwo6613 ? Did u not see the spark and smoke of the one he poked? Not just 10 % charged... And being brand new right out of the box as shown, no way to be safely sure about the charge %... Not to mention, Best Practices/etc... So, not sure what point you're trying to make, but quite sure you've failed.
Finally somebody who finds out. It was about time. I capacity test every battery I buy for cameras and send them back when they don‘t have close to the advertised capacity. And I sent back tons of batteries. Almost all of them are lying. It became so bad that a company doesn‘t sell anything when they advertise the real capacity. This has to change either through customer awareness or legislation.
You can directly contact Chinese companies and request very high quality batteries and get them shipped. That`s how I get the best 18650s and NiMH for hurricane emergencies. They`ve been honest about their claims.
@@baneverything5580 How do you find that info simple Google search for say Samsung HQ email? Do you just email in English and they figure it out or do you have to use a translator before you send the email? Also how does the payment work?
I've only ever bought anker powerbanks for a few years, and more recently buying their charging cables. If I've spent hundreds on my iPhone, why would I save 10 on a powerbank that could mess it up?!
Using Anker for years, saving me many times. Especially during the days when iPhone has weak battery. Travel to many countries, charge on trains, buses and plane journeys. Take pictures, videos without any worries afterwards. Happy customer here.
Omg thank you for making this video. Last week I spend around 4 hours each day looking for a power bank for 6 days straight. I was looking for a 20,000mah power bank. Almost every powerbank is marketed with false information and I am grateful for the customers that went ahead to show evidence of the deception. So many of the 20,000mah I checked were truly 10,000 or sometimes even worse 5000mah. This frustrated me as a consumer and I really wish Amazon can do something in regards to this problem. At the end of the week I got frustrated, and just went ahead to purchase an anchor charger off target.
There are some reputable brands. Anker usually the best but also a bit pricy. I have used brands like Mi, Romoss and Pineng and they are good with accurate capacity and overcharge protection. Unfortunately, there are also fake ones so be careful
Whenever buying powerbank, always always buy those that are branded and from a trusted source. Batteries are just too scary to be meddled with, especially when it's in your bag, pocket or even your car!
In some cases it’s not lying. Companies just keep consumers ignorant about battery information. I hate it when even honest companies only use mAh when they should be using Wh. Some power banks base their mAh on the standard 5V output instead of the actual battery cell’s nominal voltage, plus different battery chemistries and factories can have different energy densities.
I agree that power banks' capacities ought to generally be specified in (m)Wh. However: > Some power banks base their mAh on the standard 5V output instead of the actual battery cell’s nominal voltage x mAh @ 5V is *more* energy than x mAh @ 3.7V.
By the way , the "smaller" 10,000 mAH pack is also a higher voltage LI-ion pouch cell (3.85 volts nominal over 3.7 volts nominal) means they can get a little more capacity in a slightly smaller form, granted those higher voltage Li-ion cells typically degrade faster because of the higher voltage.
@@mujtabaalam5907 your phone never sees the charger bank's battery voltage, there is a boost circuit to bring it up to 5v volts at a minimum or if it's using fast charge 9, 12, 20 volts or any other modes USB-C PD can do.
I wish for more videos like this! I think you could have people send you money to be able to test all of those products with a tester. Love that you're doing this!!!!
Coming from someone who changes the batteries on all their devices, I wouldn't necessarily trust what is printed on the batteries. Most of them can also be flat out lies.
I wish all the thousands of commenters, I mean every one of them, would've stopped to think about this. That's exactly why this is a total bullshit video... don't trust what he says here. All he did was fucking rip apart the battery packs and read the print on the battery cells. Yeah right, like that's gonna give you an accurate representation of their battery capacity... Lol! Bullshit! There's one thing this video does right: entertainment. That's it. But if you actually want some real objective truth? Go somewhere else. Watch a video from "Gadget Addict" (I think that's his username, if I remember correctly): he actually used a proper fucking meter connected to the battery pack to electrically measure the battery's true electrical capacity! Not just ripping apart the damn thing and reading the print on the battery cells. I seriously cannot believe some of these commenters actually trust this video for actual legitimate proof... because it's not legit. That print on the battery cells could be lying just as much as the advertisements. Seriously, the comments that point this out should be getting the hundreds or thousands of likes/replies, not the stupid ones. This should be the case with all TH-cam videos, for that matter. The comments that actually tell it like it is and call out bullshit when they see it are the ones that should be getting all the attention. But then again, we live in a society that's afraid of being brutally honest and telling things like they are and calling out bullshit where needed. All they want now is to be "entertained" regardless of whether it's legit or not.
Even "respectable" companies say 20,000 on the packaging and on the instructions says maximum 15,000. Unfortunately lying is now a daily part of corporate strategy.
Great video tho, actually it's not just the battery themselves, The quality of the batteries plays a HUGE role in the power bank's capacity, Also there are other factors such as the charging board efficiency too
Exactly! Any battery manufacturer can label their batteries with anything. You can't know for sure what they are until you test them. Lots of cheap cells are fake but still show the "right values" on their casing.
@@dominus6695 Wrong. You're supposed to have quality control and test the parts frequently from each batch (and even the finished products, at least on a sample basis). That's why most powerbanks and non original chargers are crappy.
Thanks for giving us some insights on what power pack we should buy. Some people seems unappreciative but honestly you've gone out of your way to see each Powerpack and that's good enough for me.
He's certainly not doing a "huge service" with his totally unlegit testing methodology. Come on, you really think just ripping apart a battery pack and reading the print on the battery cells is gonna give you an accurate representation of the battery capacity? Bullshit! That print on the battery cells could be lying to you just as much as the advertisement. You need to actually do an objective test, using a meter that's actually measuring the electrical output of the battery, if you want to know the true battery capacity. This guy did none of that whatsoever. In summary: this video is bullshit. It just is. There's one thing it does very well: entertainment.
We should ask those manufacturers who are not lying to make their products easier to open. If you are honest, then you have nothing to hide 😀Anyways, waiting for the second part with the inner battery tests to detect even more liers.
Makes you wonder if there isn't any sort of agency that checks these products before they can be sold in a country and then slaps their label on it so we know it's good...
It's actually really easy. For instance a 15000mah power bank at nominal 3.7v is in fact a 15000mah, however when you charge stuff at 5v (over usb) it's more like 9000mah. Banggood actually has a really nice blog post about this.
Hear me out! Crazy idea here... if you wanna save/use the batteries and still properly test em' - just go ahead and use a battery tester. It would have been a lot cheaper and A LOT more environmentally responsible! These are now just e-waste. Edit: Oh, and you can't always blindly trust the print on the battery pouch... trust me ;)
I've seen a youtuber that uses a portable meter for usb applications that display voltage current and total capacity of the powerbanks. He totally drains them with a dummy load simulating normal consumption. Took a bit of time to perform but good experiment to debunk advertised capacity
It's a setting you can do with Amazon to consolidate packages. You have to go into settings. It used to be an option during checkout, but they buried it.
I definitely notice battery pack not being as exact as advertised because whenever I use it to charge my iPhone I would often count how many times I’ve plug it in and most of the time it’s much shorter than the supposed battery pack content.
@@rafiihsanalfathin9479 1000 mah is 4 volt on power bank battery , so it need it to step up the voltage to about 5 volt to charge other battery that mean about 200 to 300 mah is converted to extra volt , and the converter also take some power itself . Plus your phone may use some power during charge so you Wont see 1000 mah increase in your phone.
You should definitely get a battery drain tester if you plan on making these videos. You could have returned all those powerbank after testing the capacity if you hadn't opened them
the issue is that the 10000mah the battery has not not what the powerbank gives due to losses so the only real way to do it is to open it to see the cells inside
Great video. Please take in consideration that the battery also needs to power the cellphone while it's charging, so it will never be 1:1 ratio. If your phone has a 4000 mA battery and you are using a 8000 mA portable battery, it won't charge it twice to 100%, it will fully charge 1x time and ~40% on the second time.
@@S_wali i think he meant to charge the phone you need higher voltage than the cell you're gonna charge. Power Bank usually state the 3.7v to rate the capacity but that need to be changed to at least 5v to be able to charge. Hence why it'll never be 1:1 ratio. But if the pb is genuine, the total power (Wh) should be close or same.
For people complaining about the writing potentially being false too, that’s typically only the case with bare battery replacements, and even then is typically a label stuck on over the original. In either case, not really a big enough concern for a situation like this to be worth charging and discharging all of these packs.
Those LiPo batteries are still really useful, so don’t just chuck them out. They can be used on all kinds of projects like drones, RC cars and the like.
@@thebristolbruiser internal resistance is too high. They can't output as much power for their size and weight as rc batteries can. Rc batteries have a bit smaller capacity for same volume, but have much lower ir and can provide much more power.
@@thebristolbruiser lipo batteries in powerbanks are optimized for capacity, and are weaker Rc lipo are opposite, optimized for power but have a bit less capacity. Nimh are usually not really powerful
Watching you rip into these hurt me so bad man. All you had to do was order one of the little USB dangles to monitor the power input/output and voltage. You'd have been able to figure it out without having to destroy the packs.....
@@ethylg7572 His ‘credibility’ was obvious when he said “ThErEs No WaY tHaT mUcH pOwEr CoUlD fIt iN tHiS tInY bOx!!” Says my 30k MaH charger that will charge my 13 pro max 4-5 times. And I used to charge my 7 plus and 12 pro with it. Thank TH-cam for removing the damn dislike button. So glad I wasted 2 minutes of my time on this attention seeker -_-
@@Norinia The iPhone 13 Pro has a capacity of 3095mAh, so if your power bank is truly 30k you should get NINE full charges with some power left over. If you’re only getting five charges, then your capacity is likely closer to 15,000mAh. This video isn’t fake, your battery is fake lol
@@ethylg7572 The numbers on the battery cell are always correct per the strict regulation. These are just generic LiPos put into power banks manufactured by third parties. These companies can print whatever numbers they want on the plastic casing and retail packaging, but they can’t do that on the cell itself. Unless you want to sit and watch a discharge cycle for hours, the only way to find true capacity is to look at the cell. The capacity readings from the PCB use voltage, but voltage doesn’t decrease linearly over time so these are usually wrong.
He did basically no testing (very poor video) as all he did was read off of the "printed" labels on the battery packs which are well known to be re-printed or overlaid as a sticker to cover up the original markings. He also doesn't account for voltage conversion losses or that the mAh rating is calculated on the native 3.7V Lion/LiPo voltages.
It's been 9 days since this video is posted. I checked the Amazon listing for these power banks. Surprisingly, they are all still there. I checked the latest review on the product, nobody mentioned about lying capacity.
The ones on ebay are even more rediculous. I have often messaged sellers asking them how their battery pack that's the size of a poptart can make three times the capacity of a Tesla Model X battery. They make up some "marketed capacity" excuse whenever I have done that.
@@PhoneRepairGuru I've always found they're a fair bit more expensive than other legitimate counterparts with the same capacity. Though I guess you're paying for the namebrand and reliability
I think its amusing that one of my smallest, most modest, battery packs, outlasts nearly all of my others. Clearly it was the one pack that came with the battery it claimed
Really informative, thanks for taking so many apart! Please be more careful though! It's so easy to puncture those batteries with a metal object and start a fire
Just taking apart a battery pack and fucking reading the print on the battery cells is not at all an accurate metric for determining the battery capacity, though. That's exactly what this guy in this video did. So... this video is bullshit. That print on the battery cells could be lying to you just as much as the advertisements. You need to actually get an objective measurement using something that's actually measuring the real electrical output from the battery over time... that's the correct way to do it. Not by reading some pretty print written on the battery cells! Yes, I've said this before in other replies to other comments... and yes, I will happily continue to say it. Because... this video is bullshit. The guy's just wanting you to click on his fucking Amazon affiliate links; pretty common with these youtubers. And he does this at the expense of proper objectivity; pretty common with these youtubers.
A video like this is appreciated but the hypocrisy here... "Lying about battery capacity is wrong...this company is a liar." "I'm literally buying every battery pack on Amazon" *Buys only 6 battery packs* This would make you a liar too, as there are way more than 6 different power banks on Amazon 🤦🏽♂️ 😆
Their capacities might be correct, or some of them might even be relabelled. You need an USB tester to measure the actual capacity. But the charging speed is definitely not right for some of these. The SAFUEL bank says that it can put out 225W, that's literally instant death for the power bank and your device!
If you pay close attention you notice a very small decimal place between the second 2 and the 5, so that means it's 22.5w, which is fairly standard for high power USB power banks. Not gonna argue since I know this is the truth and I've seen it with my own eyes
Can you check the Silvercrest (Lidl tech brand) powerbanks? I'm curious to see if they're legit. Most Silvercrest products aren't bad but you can never be too careful...
Silvercrest spb3000 is legit. Using cell: icr18650d1. Manufacture date 2016 12 01. Bought this 2021. So 5 years old stock. Build quality is horrible, chargeport kept losing up, and all 4 screws fell out
Don't use this video as buying guide. The labels even on the cells themselves could be misleading or inaccurate. There is much more to the capacity. Efficiency and durability play a role too.
@@DarkGT Why do you have a negative view of him? He's only doing what he thinks is right, if he's misinformed about something well that doesn't mean he's a bad person. it just means he was misinformed.
Great video however with the first battery pack the capacity listed on the cell is likely only for that cell and judging by the thickness of the pack there might be multiple of them that are likely wired in parallel so their capacity is added together
Yeah I noticed that once too when I took one apart. Fun story one of my battery packs is held together by fabric tape. Back in my HS days it fell on the floor and the casing broke. At the time I could not afford another one and it still seemed to work so I just taped it up and called it a day. Amazingly it still works whenever I go on vacation years later🤣
But you don't validate anything by just reading the fucking print on battery cells as if that automatically gives you the true battery capacity. That's exactly what this guy did. Come on, don't be fooled. The guy in this video never once measured the actual electrical capacity of the batteries! So... as I've said before, and I will happily continue to say, this video is bullshit. There's one thing it does well: entertainment. But if you actually want some real objective truth? Look somewhere else. That print on the battery cells could be lying to you just as much as the advertisements.
The INIU battery packs are great, used them for years. I wish you tested a ROMOSS item but I know ROMOSS delivers like INIU. My only regret with ROMOSS is that they once held juice for 8 iPhone charges but now only contain half that now because that is the popular go to range for the consumer. Great video, enjoyed it.
Hey Guys! A lot of criticism on this video about how I came to the conclusion that some battery packs were lying about their capacity. Let me explain why I did this the way I did. The reason I did not charge and discharge these batteries was to save time ( I am running a full-scale repair business as well as creating these videos). While there is a slight chance the writing on the batteries was fabricated the likelihood of that is not high. Batteries in battery packs are often sourced from different manufacturers than those who create the battery packs, which is why the stamping on the batteries were different from the advertised mAh of the packs that we're being dishonest. The point of this video was to raise awareness of this issue and ensure any individual buying a battery pack from Amazon, Ali express or any similar website thinks twice before purchasing a battery pack with absurd advertised capacities. If anyone would like to charge and discharge the batteries I have taken a look at in this video, feel free to tag me and I will repost the video. P.S - my team and I use two of these battery packs currently and are planning to make one large battery pack with the leftover batteries ( Aside from the pierced one ). Hope this clears up any confusion, once again thank you guys so much for the support and I hope you guys are having a wonderful day :)
@@SunnyBoy88844 shut up
@@SunnyBoy88844 phg is not a liar
@@SunnyBoy88844 bro its called a sarcasm. Life’s not meant to be taken so seriously. The reason you’re able to tell its a lie is because it’s blatant sarcasm. Wish you all the best man, thank you for watching and supporting me🙌🏼🙏
@@SunnyBoy88844 Hate to break it to you, this won't make you famous
@@SunnyBoy88844 hahaha, no, they lie
You should definitely measure the capacity by discharging them because the printing on them could be lying
My thoughts exactly.
@@CKorvus some still do fake the printing on the battery too sooo
He should have measured them instead of destroying them.............. what a waste
@@CKorvus yeah add in the fact capacity can be fake and the energy lost from the charger it self,cable and the device being charged
Exactly
A little tip from someone that was doing the same thing and almost caught my house on fire, Keep a bucket of sand nearby, it will extinguish most batteries
Yes,
@@wedaktofi9939 no
@@wedaktofi9939 Delete your channel
@@parakoopa99 it's a bot
Anyone that has replaced batteries, or touched batteries, this video is complete cringe
3:28 seeing the power bank I specifically chose for my dad to order scared me but seeing its actually not lying made me happy that I chose something that was advertised correctly
I asked
@@mechanicalturkproductions7349 no you did not.
Hai, since you bought the same power bank and said it made you happy on how it works.
I need the link if you have it.
please
I mean it is a very popular power a k brand so it shouldn’t be lying.
I also just ordered a week ago hahahhah
I wish my mom could see this instead of blatantly trusting scammers *with every cell of her body*
My mom comes to me for help, and I come here to double check
@@kalishiva18 honestly that’s the cutest shit ever
@@kalishiva18 same
“Cell”
I see what you did there
@@wedaktofi9939 get out of here bot
Seeing how the first one has more Watt hour than my laptop powerbank, I already knew something was off. Its good that people are more aware of these scams now
It is important to note that even if your battery is 10,000mAh you still aren’t going to get all 10,000 you can expect to lose about 10-100 watts from the circuit that is responsible for stepping up the 3.7 volts to 5 volts depending on how well made the circuit is.
10000mah 3.7 to 5v = 7400mah plus the efficiency loss
10-100 watts? Most of thease power banks can't even output more than 22.5w lol.
@@Random_4400 i dont think you understand. He probably meant you are losing 10-100Wh (wich is ridiculus, probably more like 0.1-0.2Wh on modern ones). imagine this, you have a 10000mah battery listed with 29Wh capacity. If it can output 29Watt continuously, it will be able to charge your whatever for 1h. If it can charge at 22.5Watt, it will last for 1.29h. Got it? great. you cant lose 10-100watt as it doesnt tell you how much capacity you lose. watthour/-s does.
This video will definitely help some people when buying a power bank
Or you could just buy an anker battery charger
It actually did help. Now ima use them every time I go in vacation or to charge my phone if I forget
Power banks are a dying tech..
All day battery + Fast Charging are the solution.
I just started watching
I just hope my anker one is fine (probably is)
@@ixyzyxi how is it after this lol
If they just said 16000mah, that still is impressive and it's truthful.
True man
It's like they said here's a 16000 MAH power battery and someone higher up said" just lie and double the number. They would have already bought it at that point anyway."
The issue is that if they say higher then they are better than the lower ones. Hence, more sale. If they try to match other then there is more chance that other people will buy other brands.
you can't tell a battery capacity by the print on the back. It's lying just like the titles of the listings and the product boxes.
@@nicks3608 Definitely seems accurate
I love how the companies keep using the mAh just to make that number huge! It's like saying your car's fuel tank takes 55.000ml, or 55.000.000μl of fuel :) On another note, even the ones that are not lying about the battery capacity, are not correct in their specs. The battery output goes through a DC-DC up converter circuit to be able to raise the average voltage from 3.7v to 5v. Even at a theoretical 100% efficiency, the delivered rated capacity would be no more than 74% of the battery's. The correct specs should state how much electric charge is actually delivered.
Some exeptions are to be made here, some list the mha at 9v and clerly state the W/H to advertise its safe to carry on airplanes. To be clear this only counts for Packs around 90 W/H
Lawsuits need to start since false advertising, deliberately lying about a product and not giving the exact product purchased is a crime
When these products and their sellers are based in china that’s pretty hard to do… Best we can do is have them removed from Amazon
"lawsiuts" ..... hahahahahah so the police are gonna march into china and arrest people are they?
Good luck going forward with international legal actions
Good luck suing the fraud Chinese companies.
I found this video by searching to see if somebody broached the topic. I bought 20,000 mah battery bank that was about the right size to actually have it - thinking I was going about it in a smart way - and in reality it topped out at no more than 4400mah. Super upsetti
My claims to be 10,000 but I think it's somewhere around 6800 to 8000
I actually own two of the 20000MAh INIU packs myself, and one of them can charge my 4500mah phone 4 times, so I can confirm that the actual capacity is very close, if not the same as the one listed. Their warranty is also great because when I thought that mine broke, I requested another one and they shipped it to me within 3 days. Additionally, the powerbank is nice to touch, albeit it is easy to scratch the soft material, and if you drop it you should say bye bye as I did in my case.
Thanks for the short review, def picking up one soon
if you can get 4 charges (about 18000mah) out from it, it means that the battery is actually around 20ah or more. Powerbanks generally loses 10-15% of their capacity to powerlosses for example the battery is 3,7V and it needs to be boosted to 5V so there is loss already, then the cables etc resistances so you are looking at 100% legit battery
@@volcaprojects8333 but seriously who charges they're phone with 0% ? He might be charging with 5-15%
I am currently charging mine on my power bank, it charges my phone ab 4 times before dying
I have the same power bank, I have a 5000mah phone, and a full charge drains the bank to 66%. I get just under 15k usable capacity.
I owned the INIU one at the first, wasn’t even that bad and it’s capable to charge my iPhone in 2-3 uses
Thank god that my powerbank wasn’t lying lol
Where did you get yours?
@@wedaktofi9939 Anna is a beautiful girl. He's... Says it all
@@Daniel-wj9rz lmaooooooo
@@kalishiva18 i have one and i got it for christmas and i got mine off of amazon, its really good
I also have the INIU one
Load testing is hella easy but seeing them broke open intrigues me as well
Load testing / Capacity recording is not accurate as some power is wasted through heat from the ICs.
@clarkandrews8073 it should still get you close enough to tell if they're lying or not
Here are the two INIUbattery packs.
Make sure you guys check the reviews, most advertising to be 30800mAh are probably lying! Thank you guys for watching!
amzn.to/3BGBr2q
amzn.to/3p8gVTj
hi
10,000 is more than enough. (For A Phone.)
Thanks, I was literally finna ask to see if you could send me the link 😂
Check ANker and ROMOSS powerbanks
Test the Poweradd battery packs,
Linus: Be very careful, these cells could explode in your face!
Phone Repair Guru: *Casually pokes battery with metal tool*
Yeah. Definitly not a guru.
It gave me anxiety too
Only charged cells are dangerous. Below 10% and you can mangle them as much as you want. Linus said it was dangerous without telling how it’s dangerous.
Don’t get sucked into the fear mongering about batteries, handle it properly and it’s fine.
Prodding a metal spudger into a new battery which should be around 60 to 75% charged is not handling then properly. These packs go up in toxic smoke and potentially flange very easily.
@@jakejakedowntwo6613 ? Did u not see the spark and smoke of the one he poked? Not just 10 % charged... And being brand new right out of the box as shown, no way to be safely sure about the charge %... Not to mention, Best Practices/etc... So, not sure what point you're trying to make, but quite sure you've failed.
This vid is so cathartic. Can’t count how many batteries I’ve got that are definitely not what’s advertised.
Finally somebody who finds out. It was about time. I capacity test every battery I buy for cameras and send them back when they don‘t have close to the advertised capacity. And I sent back tons of batteries. Almost all of them are lying. It became so bad that a company doesn‘t sell anything when they advertise the real capacity. This has to change either through customer awareness or legislation.
You can directly contact Chinese companies and request very high quality batteries and get them shipped. That`s how I get the best 18650s and NiMH for hurricane emergencies. They`ve been honest about their claims.
@@baneverything5580 How do you find that info simple Google search for say Samsung HQ email? Do you just email in English and they figure it out or do you have to use a translator before you send the email? Also how does the payment work?
I've only ever bought anker powerbanks for a few years, and more recently buying their charging cables. If I've spent hundreds on my iPhone, why would I save 10 on a powerbank that could mess it up?!
Anker is dope
Using Anker for years, saving me many times.
Especially during the days when iPhone has weak battery. Travel to many countries, charge on trains, buses and plane journeys.
Take pictures, videos without any worries afterwards. Happy customer here.
Agreed. Banker has been my go to company for years. Everything from mobile charging to audio that I've had from them has been great.
I've been using my Anker battery pack since 2016 and it's still going strong.
I have Anker, EasyAcc - neither has let me down for like 4 years
Thank you so much for this! Was getting really fed up looking for a power bank but reviews said they were lying on the capacities.
Omg thank you for making this video. Last week I spend around 4 hours each day looking for a power bank for 6 days straight. I was looking for a 20,000mah power bank. Almost every powerbank is marketed with false information and I am grateful for the customers that went ahead to show evidence of the deception. So many of the 20,000mah I checked were truly 10,000 or sometimes even worse 5000mah.
This frustrated me as a consumer and I really wish Amazon can do something in regards to this problem. At the end of the week I got frustrated, and just went ahead to purchase an anchor charger off target.
There are some reputable brands. Anker usually the best but also a bit pricy. I have used brands like Mi, Romoss and Pineng and they are good with accurate capacity and overcharge protection. Unfortunately, there are also fake ones so be careful
7:35 "I really don't want to break it"
2 seconds later *hammering his metal tool into it*
Thanks! After an hour or two of finding so many reviews about incorrect specs this video was much needed 😭💛
Whenever buying powerbank, always always buy those that are branded and from a trusted source. Batteries are just too scary to be meddled with, especially when it's in your bag, pocket or even your car!
In some cases it’s not lying. Companies just keep consumers ignorant about battery information. I hate it when even honest companies only use mAh when they should be using Wh. Some power banks base their mAh on the standard 5V output instead of the actual battery cell’s nominal voltage, plus different battery chemistries and factories can have different energy densities.
I agree that power banks' capacities ought to generally be specified in (m)Wh. However:
> Some power banks base their mAh on the standard 5V output instead of the actual battery cell’s nominal voltage
x mAh @ 5V is *more* energy than x mAh @ 3.7V.
Thanks for ripping these open for us. All of this assumes the batteries are labeled correctly, but it's a heluva better than nothing!
You get what you pay for. This is also extremely common in flashlights with their excessive lumen claims.
By the way , the "smaller" 10,000 mAH pack is also a higher voltage LI-ion pouch cell (3.85 volts nominal over 3.7 volts nominal) means they can get a little more capacity in a slightly smaller form, granted those higher voltage Li-ion cells typically degrade faster because of the higher voltage.
That is correct and that is science.
What if your phone only supports a lower voltage?
@@mujtabaalam5907 your phone never sees the charger bank's battery voltage, there is a boost circuit to bring it up to 5v volts at a minimum or if it's using fast charge 9, 12, 20 volts or any other modes USB-C PD can do.
Prevented me from cheaping out, you are doing gods work. Godspeed vigilantly
3:22 I actually own that one and I was happy to see that they weren’t lying like a lot of other companies
Luck 100
0:54 the way you opened that box 🤩
I wish for more videos like this! I think you could have people send you money to be able to test all of those products with a tester. Love that you're doing this!!!!
"So I went on Amazon and bought literally every battery pack I could find"
Tests 6 battery packs. I guess lying is contagious.
I heard that, what a tosser!!
He couldn't find more at MSRP
Where I live only 5 are willing to deliver to me so I guess that's what he's referring to?
Did you really think he was gonna every single battery pack on amazon?
He should have tested reputable companies like Spigen, Anker, and etc.
Coming from someone who changes the batteries on all their devices, I wouldn't necessarily trust what is printed on the batteries. Most of them can also be flat out lies.
I wish all the thousands of commenters, I mean every one of them, would've stopped to think about this. That's exactly why this is a total bullshit video... don't trust what he says here. All he did was fucking rip apart the battery packs and read the print on the battery cells. Yeah right, like that's gonna give you an accurate representation of their battery capacity... Lol! Bullshit!
There's one thing this video does right: entertainment. That's it. But if you actually want some real objective truth? Go somewhere else. Watch a video from "Gadget Addict" (I think that's his username, if I remember correctly): he actually used a proper fucking meter connected to the battery pack to electrically measure the battery's true electrical capacity! Not just ripping apart the damn thing and reading the print on the battery cells.
I seriously cannot believe some of these commenters actually trust this video for actual legitimate proof... because it's not legit. That print on the battery cells could be lying just as much as the advertisements.
Seriously, the comments that point this out should be getting the hundreds or thousands of likes/replies, not the stupid ones. This should be the case with all TH-cam videos, for that matter. The comments that actually tell it like it is and call out bullshit when they see it are the ones that should be getting all the attention. But then again, we live in a society that's afraid of being brutally honest and telling things like they are and calling out bullshit where needed. All they want now is to be "entertained" regardless of whether it's legit or not.
Even "respectable" companies say 20,000 on the packaging and on the instructions says maximum 15,000.
Unfortunately lying is now a daily part of corporate strategy.
Great video tho, actually it's not just the battery themselves,
The quality of the batteries plays a HUGE role in the power bank's capacity,
Also there are other factors such as the charging board efficiency too
@@wedaktofi9939 sussy
He needed to capacity test the batteries to find out their true capacity.
mhm, they could easily write fake specs on the battery
@@thejpt yeah but that's up to the battery manufacturers, not the companies making the banks. So likely true info.
Exactly! Any battery manufacturer can label their batteries with anything. You can't know for sure what they are until you test them. Lots of cheap cells are fake but still show the "right values" on their casing.
@@dominus6695 Wrong. You're supposed to have quality control and test the parts frequently from each batch (and even the finished products, at least on a sample basis). That's why most powerbanks and non original chargers are crappy.
Exactly, what a useless video!!!
I purchased 2 20000mAh iniu banks after watching this video. Love them so far. Thank you so much for this
Thanks for giving us some insights on what power pack we should buy. Some people seems unappreciative but honestly you've gone out of your way to see each Powerpack and that's good enough for me.
You are doing a huge service to the TH-cam community! Please make more battery videos. Amazon reviews are completely unreliable anymore..
He's certainly not doing a "huge service" with his totally unlegit testing methodology. Come on, you really think just ripping apart a battery pack and reading the print on the battery cells is gonna give you an accurate representation of the battery capacity? Bullshit! That print on the battery cells could be lying to you just as much as the advertisement. You need to actually do an objective test, using a meter that's actually measuring the electrical output of the battery, if you want to know the true battery capacity. This guy did none of that whatsoever.
In summary: this video is bullshit. It just is. There's one thing it does very well: entertainment.
We should ask those manufacturers who are not lying to make their products easier to open. If you are honest, then you have nothing to hide 😀Anyways, waiting for the second part with the inner battery tests to detect even more liers.
Coincidentally the ones that were honest did seem the easiest to open
USB battery testers are definitely something that are worth having in your kit, especially since you can pick one up for around 20 bucks.
Makes you wonder if there isn't any sort of agency that checks these products before they can be sold in a country and then slaps their label on it so we know it's good...
"I bought every battery pack I could find"
_Literally does not buy battery packs from the most popular companies like Anker, Aukey, RavPower, etc_
It's actually really easy. For instance a 15000mah power bank at nominal 3.7v is in fact a 15000mah, however when you charge stuff at 5v (over usb) it's more like 9000mah. Banggood actually has a really nice blog post about this.
Thanks for sharing
Hear me out! Crazy idea here... if you wanna save/use the batteries and still properly test em' - just go ahead and use a battery tester. It would have been a lot cheaper and A LOT more environmentally responsible! These are now just e-waste.
Edit: Oh, and you can't always blindly trust the print on the battery pouch... trust me ;)
Use a multimeter
@@limegreentechnologies8803 please explain wtf a multimeter is going to do
@@jimmysyar889 measurements
@@limegreentechnologies8803 yeah what measurements
I've seen a youtuber that uses a portable meter for usb applications that display voltage current and total capacity of the powerbanks. He totally drains them with a dummy load simulating normal consumption. Took a bit of time to perform but good experiment to debunk advertised capacity
Seriously like how hard it is to sell a battery dude. Scammers are the worst.
Wait they sent the entire order in one box ?!? Since when does Amazon do that
It's a setting you can do with Amazon to consolidate packages. You have to go into settings. It used to be an option during checkout, but they buried it.
I definitely notice battery pack not being as exact as advertised because whenever I use it to charge my iPhone I would often count how many times I’ve plug it in and most of the time it’s much shorter than the supposed battery pack content.
you know 1000 mah from battery wont charge 1000mah to your phone , you know why?
@@VJETRAwhy?
@@rafiihsanalfathin9479 1000 mah is 4 volt on power bank battery , so it need it to step up the voltage to about 5 volt to charge other battery that mean about 200 to 300 mah is converted to extra volt , and the converter also take some power itself . Plus your phone may use some power during charge so you Wont see 1000 mah increase in your phone.
Love the INIU power bank. It's the one with a paw on it! Great to see you give the product a gold star. Thanks for the info!
You should definitely get a battery drain tester if you plan on making these videos. You could have returned all those powerbank after testing the capacity if you hadn't opened them
He Can send it back for a full refund still. Because not as described and he is eligible for full refund in rhat case
the issue is that the 10000mah the battery has not not what the powerbank gives due to losses so the only real way to do it is to open it to see the cells inside
Great video. Please take in consideration that the battery also needs to power the cellphone while it's charging, so it will never be 1:1 ratio. If your phone has a 4000 mA battery and you are using a 8000 mA portable battery, it won't charge it twice to 100%, it will fully charge 1x time and ~40% on the second time.
Wdym power the cell phone? . Are you referring to efficiency cuz that's completely different
@@S_wali i think he meant to charge the phone you need higher voltage than the cell you're gonna charge.
Power Bank usually state the 3.7v to rate the capacity but that need to be changed to at least 5v to be able to charge.
Hence why it'll never be 1:1 ratio. But if the pb is genuine, the total power (Wh) should be close or same.
@@razgriz1214 plus the phone gotta step that back down to the cell voltage
For people complaining about the writing potentially being false too, that’s typically only the case with bare battery replacements, and even then is typically a label stuck on over the original. In either case, not really a big enough concern for a situation like this to be worth charging and discharging all of these packs.
Those LiPo batteries are still really useful, so don’t just chuck them out. They can be used on all kinds of projects like drones, RC cars and the like.
Too weak for rc
@@riba2233 In what sense?
@@thebristolbruiser internal resistance is too high. They can't output as much power for their size and weight as rc batteries can. Rc batteries have a bit smaller capacity for same volume, but have much lower ir and can provide much more power.
@@riba2233 Are you referring to these batteries in particular or all LiPo batteries? Because I have only built rc cars with LiPo and NiMH batteries.
@@thebristolbruiser lipo batteries in powerbanks are optimized for capacity, and are weaker
Rc lipo are opposite, optimized for power but have a bit less capacity. Nimh are usually not really powerful
2:03 GENIUS
Watching you rip into these hurt me so bad man. All you had to do was order one of the little USB dangles to monitor the power input/output and voltage. You'd have been able to figure it out without having to destroy the packs.....
Seriously. So much ewaste only to read off numbers that also could be wrong. Honestly makes me doubt the whole channel. Unsubscribing.
@@ethylg7572 His ‘credibility’ was obvious when he said “ThErEs No WaY tHaT mUcH pOwEr CoUlD fIt iN tHiS tInY bOx!!”
Says my 30k MaH charger that will charge my 13 pro max 4-5 times. And I used to charge my 7 plus and 12 pro with it.
Thank TH-cam for removing the damn dislike button. So glad I wasted 2 minutes of my time on this attention seeker -_-
@@Norinia The iPhone 13 Pro has a capacity of 3095mAh, so if your power bank is truly 30k you should get NINE full charges with some power left over.
If you’re only getting five charges, then your capacity is likely closer to 15,000mAh. This video isn’t fake, your battery is fake lol
@@ethylg7572 The numbers on the battery cell are always correct per the strict regulation. These are just generic LiPos put into power banks manufactured by third parties. These companies can print whatever numbers they want on the plastic casing and retail packaging, but they can’t do that on the cell itself.
Unless you want to sit and watch a discharge cycle for hours, the only way to find true capacity is to look at the cell. The capacity readings from the PCB use voltage, but voltage doesn’t decrease linearly over time so these are usually wrong.
@@Norinia this video has 1.1K dislikes at time of replying. Get TH-cam Vanced.
You're just checking the labels, not testing if they actually hold the charge.
He did basically no testing (very poor video) as all he did was read off of the "printed" labels on the battery packs which are well known to be re-printed or overlaid as a sticker to cover up the original markings. He also doesn't account for voltage conversion losses or that the mAh rating is calculated on the native 3.7V Lion/LiPo voltages.
Big Brain Phone Repair Guru: The printing on the batteries cannot possibly lie!
Just FYI - you can buy a USB meter to discharge and count how many mah is drained. Saves disassembling all these 😆 fun video either way
I love your channel! Do u remember me? been here since like june 2020. I knew subscribing was the right thing to do.
Yeah I do :) thanks for the support
@@PhoneRepairGuru That's what you call an OG
This was so awesome! Thank you so much! 😀
It's been 9 days since this video is posted. I checked the Amazon listing for these power banks. Surprisingly, they are all still there. I checked the latest review on the product, nobody mentioned about lying capacity.
To be fair, many people aren’t aware of how long they should actually last.
The ones on ebay are even more rediculous. I have often messaged sellers asking them how their battery pack that's the size of a poptart can make three times the capacity of a Tesla Model X battery.
They make up some "marketed capacity" excuse whenever I have done that.
I think it would be interesting to test reputable brands such as Anker
Same, I think it’d be great to know whether brands like Belkin and Anker are being honest too
I love when you fix devices
In this case, breaks them
Stick to Anker, you’ll never be disappointed with them. Loving my Anker MagGo.
100%, when you just want no bs device that works well at a decent price, Anker is always the way to go.
I could go on and on about their products, I use Anker Soundcore Liberty 2 Pro+ earbuds as my main pair for crying out loud, haha.
Can confirm they are reliable and affordable. Great brand
@@PhoneRepairGuru I've always found they're a fair bit more expensive than other legitimate counterparts with the same capacity. Though I guess you're paying for the namebrand and reliability
This is an awesome video, thank you!
Never thought I’d find someone who is less careful with poking into batteries than I am 😂😂
I think its amusing that one of my smallest, most modest, battery packs, outlasts nearly all of my others. Clearly it was the one pack that came with the battery it claimed
Really informative, thanks for taking so many apart! Please be more careful though! It's so easy to puncture those batteries with a metal object and start a fire
Just taking apart a battery pack and fucking reading the print on the battery cells is not at all an accurate metric for determining the battery capacity, though. That's exactly what this guy in this video did. So... this video is bullshit. That print on the battery cells could be lying to you just as much as the advertisements. You need to actually get an objective measurement using something that's actually measuring the real electrical output from the battery over time... that's the correct way to do it. Not by reading some pretty print written on the battery cells!
Yes, I've said this before in other replies to other comments... and yes, I will happily continue to say it. Because... this video is bullshit. The guy's just wanting you to click on his fucking Amazon affiliate links; pretty common with these youtubers. And he does this at the expense of proper objectivity; pretty common with these youtubers.
"Im gonna try not to break it" proceeds to beat with hammer
So basically we're telling them to lie better, by printing the advertised number everywhere and not only on the box
These power bank companies are not the battery manufacturers so the print on the battery pack is not from them and it can be trusted in most cases.
A video like this is appreciated but the hypocrisy here...
"Lying about battery capacity is wrong...this company is a liar."
"I'm literally buying every battery pack on Amazon"
*Buys only 6 battery packs*
This would make you a liar too, as there are way more than 6 different power banks on Amazon 🤦🏽♂️ 😆
I don't wanna break this, this so beautiful
Few seconds later : *hammering the battery pack*
I would love to see this done with Anker Battery packs as I trust them will all of my electronics and I hope they are truthful
06:50 Vroom 🚗🚗🚗😂😂😂
6:51
I feel attacked!
I am using the battery pack you reviewed first! OH my goodness my emotions!
You should also check the efficiency rating of the power bank like how much of their total charge can actually be used.
Their capacities might be correct, or some of them might even be relabelled.
You need an USB tester to measure the actual capacity.
But the charging speed is definitely not right for some of these. The SAFUEL bank says that it can put out 225W, that's literally instant death for the power bank and your device!
i have the same pfp
If you pay close attention you notice a very small decimal place between the second 2 and the 5, so that means it's 22.5w, which is fairly standard for high power USB power banks. Not gonna argue since I know this is the truth and I've seen it with my own eyes
@@emireri2387 what is that channel banner of yours I see it on a lot of channels
now THIS is the video i was looking for. fully prepared to return my power bank based on my findings here.
You could wire the output of the Vurt battery to a shunt and volt meter. Then track the level of the battery over time.
can we just thank this guy for wasting so much money just for a vid where we learn that battery companies are lying.
2:36 I can definitely back INIU as i have been using it for almost 2 years and it can last for 3 days on one charge. 👍
Great stuff. Was hoping you’d test something from anker. I’d like to know how honest and legit they are.
Can you check the Silvercrest (Lidl tech brand) powerbanks? I'm curious to see if they're legit. Most Silvercrest products aren't bad but you can never be too careful...
Silvercrest spb3000 is legit. Using cell: icr18650d1. Manufacture date 2016 12 01. Bought this 2021. So 5 years old stock.
Build quality is horrible, chargeport kept losing up, and all 4 screws fell out
Busted all these packs to read words which are also probably lies.
Don't use this video as buying guide. The labels even on the cells themselves could be misleading or inaccurate. There is much more to the capacity. Efficiency and durability play a role too.
Which is exactly what he said
@@HoloScope Nope, people in comments say otherwise.
@@DarkGT there is a reason he didn't put any of the products in the description
@@HoloScope He is not payed to do so? Or he forgot to include his referral links?
@@DarkGT Why do you have a negative view of him? He's only doing what he thinks is right, if he's misinformed about something well that doesn't mean he's a bad person. it just means he was misinformed.
Great video however with the first battery pack the capacity listed on the cell is likely only for that cell and judging by the thickness of the pack there might be multiple of them that are likely wired in parallel so their capacity is added together
Exactly. You can see in 2:27 four wires going out from cell pack, which probably means 3 cells there
He showed that it was 2 batteries like 5mins later
Thank you for your sacrifice.
Yeah I noticed that once too when I took one apart.
Fun story one of my battery packs is held together by fabric tape.
Back in my HS days it fell on the floor and the casing broke. At the time I could not afford another one and it still seemed to work so I just taped it up and called it a day. Amazingly it still works whenever I go on vacation years later🤣
Yeah if it's only the casing it SHOULD be fine. important is that the cell inside is undamaged and not pinched or scratched or anything
Should've bought some brand name one's as well (Samsung/Xiaomi)
They wouldn't be lying
@@PhoneRepairGuru you can try still
Also difficult to get in USA…
20,000 is about the size of a thicc boi phone, 30,000+ is the size of a decent sized book
This was such a helpful video. I’d love to see more videos that validate Amazon vendor claims.
But you don't validate anything by just reading the fucking print on battery cells as if that automatically gives you the true battery capacity. That's exactly what this guy did. Come on, don't be fooled. The guy in this video never once measured the actual electrical capacity of the batteries! So... as I've said before, and I will happily continue to say, this video is bullshit. There's one thing it does well: entertainment. But if you actually want some real objective truth? Look somewhere else. That print on the battery cells could be lying to you just as much as the advertisements.
If you ever actually plan on testing cells true capacity, DL24 from aliexpress is a great discharging tool for cheap.
Just a DL24?
@@TheNenniux Yes...?
That first powerbank opened itself up nicely for me when the cells grew and popped it open! That said its over 4 years old at this point.
The INIU battery packs are great, used them for years. I wish you tested a ROMOSS item but I know ROMOSS delivers like INIU. My only regret with ROMOSS is that they once held juice for 8 iPhone charges but now only contain half that now because that is the popular go to range for the consumer. Great video, enjoyed it.
0:45 I have that battery!
Sue for false advertising
8:46 fbi open up
The charge rate is also regularly highly over rated on power banks with "fast charging" capabilities!