The development of the asset began years ago, when he was a petty thief. That is the underlying message here - truly valuable assets take a long time to establish. The knowledge of his background, upbringing and love for his mother enable Hani to utilize a different kind of humiliation than physical torture - the humiliation of knowing that he has been a bad son, and that now his mother thinks he is a good son thanks to Hani. The asset fears his mother finding out that none of what she has is due to him, and this makes him compliant. Pain fades - shame is forever.
This is the first time I saw Mark Strong. His performance as a Jordanian spymaster was so convincing I was unable to believe he is British when later revealed to me
This method is very effective in my opinion because it exploits the need for love and the fear of its removal. They could beat him senseless until he cooperated but that could be fickle and when he got up enough nerve revert back to being a loyal AL Qaeda resulting in a lost asset. However the fear of his mother discovering the truth outweighs the love and camaraderie he perceives he has with this terrorist group. Fear will always be a stronger motivator than love.
What's best about this approach is you achieve your objective without resorting to any violence and also reform people at the same time. This is what the US needs to do in the Middle East. War is the last resort
Maqbool Fida Woah, you’re so smart from behind your computer. On the other hand back in reality, it’s not so easy as a director isn’t writing a script to fit his narrative. I’ve met a thousand people like you that think they’re so smart and everyone is so dumb.
Maqbool Fida uhmm last time they did that was with Taliban. You know what the Afghans did next? Stuck to their hardline beliefs, killed all moderates and progressives then bit the hand that fed them.
The problem is that US personnel and officers are unable to understand how an average Middle Eastern guy thinks. They have never faced the trials and tribulations an average child in Middle East goes through, the challenges he faces as he eventually becomes a boy and rises to become a man. I mean, you actually expect some college quarterback or a university valedictorian who joined the armed forces in some official or military capacity to understand what it means to be a Middle Eastern dude? For these guys, their faith plays a large part of the support system. Add to the equation the decades worth of widespread belief that the fortunes of US today are built atop the foundations made of the corpses of innocents in Afghanistan, Iraq and the others killed by US sponsored wars for the sake of oil rights.
Sir, in support of your point, a well known former U.S. military Middle Eastern counter-intelligence expert recently said that he had seen American soldiers die because their commanders knew nothing about Middle Eastern politics and culture. American policy makers since the 19th century have believed that ours is the superior race which gives us the right to destroy native Americans, covertly overthrow Middle Eastern and Latin American governments, and surround China militarily for the economic benefit of our elites. You know this, I would believe. If the United States had followed through on the stated policies of Franklin Roosevelt and Henry Wallace after WW 2, we would have ended colonialism, sided with former colonial peoples and avoided the global horror that we have created. And we would have stopped betraying our own revolutionary, anti British origins!
2:1 A man is like a coin. He has a face. He travels and has a story, and there are two sides to every story. He has a birth date. He has a God, He has a language. He is constantly divided and subtracted throughout his life, and one day his life is spent.
I had a roommate from Jordan, Sam. I miss him and his laugh. I hope he is well. We were riding from the club in a cab and he was upfront talking to the cabby and asked what the worst thing about his job was, as the cabby finished his reply of "people throwing up " I projectile vomited all over the inside of the door and the back of Sams seat. Sam laughed . Ahh I miss Sam
A mother is always a weak link, that is how I found people that went stray. Eventually they where always a their mother's house. It could work to develop an asset if the resources are available.
I feel this approach would only be truly effective if they had history, which they do. If this approach was utilized on a new face it would be a waste. But thats the point of this scene. Its to show just how well he knows his people and how to better deal with these key players that start off as pawns but played right, they can help take down kings. Which is exactly what happens in the film. Without this alliance, Leo's character would be dead by the end of the film. I really do think this film is underrated. If only for Mark Strong's outstanding performance. He steals every scene he is in.
Apparently, this entire sequence is based on a real event. Hani Salaam is based on a former Jordanian spymaster called Saad Kheir who actually "turned" a jihadist by making him talk with his mother, who praised him for leading a decent life and sending her gifts.
This scene.... Beside the fact that M Strong played the arab role, better then an actual arab is crazy... Second... Karami knew he is finished... From the moment he was talking to Hani Salam (pictures being taken, money and gifts to his mother new house(!!!).... all of that it means death for him if a single word reaches his "brothers", so by acting as the good old friend from their youth, Hani actually assured that Karami is in his pocket.... "you will always be able to catch more fly with honey then with s@#t!!! I loved how Strong played Hani Hanjour, and actually i think he was above both... DiCaprio and Crowe.... Di Caprio started with Blood Diamonds to look really like a man, not a boy, and continued with Body of Lies.... I think this is where he started to look like a man(in Deparded, thow he acted outstanding, he was stiil havin that 17 look, and definitely wouldn't portrete a man very well....)
Whether this method would work is the quintesence of the head of this specific inteligence operation. This is not a quantifiable ability in the industry and I do not know if it can ever be. You have to be able to know (always with a measure of certain certainty) if the asset you are developing can be amenable to this specific statecraft process or recruiting. You have to be able to know it's culture, psyche, family background and other characteristics I am too dump to know or suspect. A very delicate way of recruting in the inteligence community, developed by an intelligence community which does not have many tech or financial resources, and has to make do with what it has got. Πενία τέχνας κατεργάζεται. Νecessity is the mother of invention. I keep coming back to this film every now and again. I like Ridley. Always knows how to imprint.
It can be effective. But like a lot of techniques if you have multiple lines in. It increases your chance of it being effective. As with all long shots the better you shape the parameters the more effective it will be.
Convincing him through *reverse psychology* Might be everyone has something to learn from this particular scene. *#BOL* *#Titanic** waala hero* for female crushes. Love mark strong from Kerala, IND.
the fear of death from terrorists and shame of letting his mother down and know the truth kept him in line, guaranteed he knew his mothers life outside of a refugee camp was subject to his cooperation.
Depends how much faith you have in Allah. The sahabas in that sort of situation would have remained steadfast, and not fear what the consequences are, even if it meant the mother was killed, or he ended up dead.
Most don't have faith but fear. Fear of the hardliners and fear of the here after that has been instilled into them from birth. Religions are all the same. Only Islam is smarter and has commands for every aspect of your life and death.
That is not the question having to do with his mother. Yes this method works in the world of intelligence and law enforcement also. This guy is a small fish that swims with the big. Therefore, he has been caught doing something wrong, not punished but his mother is being taken care of. When his assistance is needed by pash or whatever his name is it is given.
Being on intelligence part i agree this works but with caution required bcz positive side is more but you know human being can do anything for some more money either legally or illegally
Well I sure do love to explain my position on this movie 🎥🙃😅🙂🤔 It's interesting when they battle each other for intelligence yet using such simple ways. In a way, Karami thought he was fighting for "Islam".
Only works in cultures like those in the middle east.....this would NOT work in Moscow or Rome or North America. The informant would most likely not be capable of giving them the information that he does in the movie. He just wouldn't have access to it. This is a Hollywood attempt at developing an asset and was devised by an armchair theorist whose only basis is the expression "It's not what you do, but how you do it." This is a very odd discussion to be having on youtube by the way....
This method might work, but it will not have effect if the person in question is a "true believer" and if the one who is making the offer is an infidel. I'm not for torture, but the good cop routine doesn't always work.
It would really boil down to the asset you are try to use. While the person in this film can be easily swayed by throwing money at his situation. Not all people have this angle to exploit. And the fact he is a newly born fundamentalist helps with this cause. You may find the more radicalized, hard line fundamentalist to be harder to develop. Simply money and some gifts would do nothing for someone who thinks that the actions they take are gods will. I do think you would do alot better with this than say, enhanced interrogation. Which at best usually only gets you small bits of operational intel, and more chatter just to get the interrogation to stop.
From this video I percieve the bicycle to be the greatest asset. With a properly installed tracking/listening device, the bicycle can produce positive results long after the traitor expires. Spank you, spank you very much!
culture ..... family is a #1 thing in a Muslims life ....this will work in any situation as long as you find the man week point ....in this case it was his mom :)
Love him, he plays a true Muslim ur duty is to please ur parents and not be a fucking luzer jihadi the real Jihad is life It’s self. God is not petty and needs no worship from man kind it your deeds is want distinguish you..... in his words “ALLAHI AKBIR” (God is great) for its proper to praise him
One of the best way to turn an Islamist is to let him know that you have actually saved his life because you have not killed him. That way he will be obliged to serve you for your purposes. I think this is not shown in this movie but is clearly understood if you understand the beliefs of Islam. I am a Muslim myself but I hated these Islamists so much as they pose more threat to Muslims and Islam than the disbelievers. They are the Munafiq our deen or religion is talking about.
You can never trust an Arab...ever. They may be your best friend and stand by you in many circumstances...but one day...they may sell you out. Unless of course they are no longer Muslims and no longer believe in Allah, but believe in the one true God, Adonai Eloheinu. Am Ys'rael Chai!❤🙏🏻🇮🇱. Stellar performance by Mark Strong though.
I feel that with the obvious approach made during the daytime, in my opinion, I think he would have a 20% chance of surviving the next 72 hours if that. The video itself was good as far as what not to do.
The development of the asset began years ago, when he was a petty thief. That is the underlying message here - truly valuable assets take a long time to establish. The knowledge of his background, upbringing and love for his mother enable Hani to utilize a different kind of humiliation than physical torture - the humiliation of knowing that he has been a bad son, and that now his mother thinks he is a good son thanks to Hani. The asset fears his mother finding out that none of what she has is due to him, and this makes him compliant.
Pain fades - shame is forever.
Hani is the best character in this movie. absolutely amazing.
The only thing stays with you after watching this movie is Mark Strong's stellar performance
This is the first time I saw Mark Strong. His performance as a Jordanian spymaster was so convincing I was unable to believe he is British when later revealed to me
He is a great actor just as Sacha Baron Cohen. They both imitate well stranger's accent of English language.
I knew he was British before I watched this movie but his acting and accent made me forget about it 😅
He personally revealed it to you? Just asking..
British actors are far superior just a better grounding.
Great in Sherlock Holmes too
This scene also shows the importance of cultural knowledge and the values of the culture and how to utilize them within a source
"You have done none of these things for her, but you should have" ouch! That must have struck a chord
Elegant, precise and organic.
Brilliance radiates like the eternal diamond aided by burning coals.
This method is very effective in my opinion because it exploits the need for love and the fear of its removal. They could beat him senseless until he cooperated but that could be fickle and when he got up enough nerve revert back to being a loyal AL Qaeda resulting in a lost asset. However the fear of his mother discovering the truth outweighs the love and camaraderie he perceives he has with this terrorist group. Fear will always be a stronger motivator than love.
Very well said.!
What's best about this approach is you achieve your objective without resorting to any violence and also reform people at the same time. This is what the US needs to do in the Middle East. War is the last resort
Maqbool Fida Woah, you’re so smart from behind your computer. On the other hand back in reality, it’s not so easy as a director isn’t writing a script to fit his narrative. I’ve met a thousand people like you that think they’re so smart and everyone is so dumb.
Maqbool Fida uhmm last time they did that was with Taliban. You know what the Afghans did next? Stuck to their hardline beliefs, killed all moderates and progressives then bit the hand that fed them.
The problem is that US personnel and officers are unable to understand how an average Middle Eastern guy thinks. They have never faced the trials and tribulations an average child in Middle East goes through, the challenges he faces as he eventually becomes a boy and rises to become a man. I mean, you actually expect some college quarterback or a university valedictorian who joined the armed forces in some official or military capacity to understand what it means to be a Middle Eastern dude? For these guys, their faith plays a large part of the support system. Add to the equation the decades worth of widespread belief that the fortunes of US today are built atop the foundations made of the corpses of innocents in Afghanistan, Iraq and the others killed by US sponsored wars for the sake of oil rights.
Sir, in support of your point, a well known former U.S. military Middle Eastern counter-intelligence expert recently said that he had seen American soldiers die because their commanders knew nothing about Middle Eastern politics and culture. American policy makers since the 19th century have believed that ours is the superior race which gives us the right to destroy native Americans, covertly overthrow Middle Eastern and Latin American governments, and surround China militarily for the economic benefit of our elites. You know this, I would believe. If the United States had followed through on the stated policies of Franklin Roosevelt and Henry Wallace after WW 2, we would have ended colonialism, sided with former colonial peoples and avoided the global horror that we have created. And we would have stopped betraying our own revolutionary, anti British origins!
You can flip one guy like this not a whole country.
2:1 A man is like a coin. He has a face. He travels and has a story, and there are two sides to every story. He has a birth date. He has a God, He has a language. He is constantly divided and subtracted throughout his life, and one day his life is spent.
Excellent explanation
Excellent explanation
I had a roommate from Jordan, Sam. I miss him and his laugh. I hope he is well. We were riding from the club in a cab and he was upfront talking to the cabby and asked what the worst thing about his job was, as the cabby finished his reply of "people throwing up " I projectile vomited all over the inside of the door and the back of Sams seat. Sam laughed . Ahh I miss Sam
A mother is always a weak link, that is how I found people that went stray. Eventually they where always a their mother's house. It could work to develop an asset if the resources are available.
'Watch n learn my Dear'....watch n learn
Mark Strong's light dimmed Leonardo's performance in this movie. What a role, and execution. Deserves an Oscar.
I feel this approach would only be truly effective if they had history, which they do. If this approach was utilized on a new face it would be a waste. But thats the point of this scene. Its to show just how well he knows his people and how to better deal with these key players that start off as pawns but played right, they can help take down kings. Which is exactly what happens in the film. Without this alliance, Leo's character would be dead by the end of the film.
I really do think this film is underrated. If only for Mark Strong's outstanding performance. He steals every scene he is in.
You need none other than Hani for this approach to be successful.
This method works for all sorts of people in all sorts of situations. Always has, always will.
Apparently, this entire sequence is based on a real event.
Hani Salaam is based on a former Jordanian spymaster called Saad Kheir who actually "turned" a jihadist by making him talk with his mother, who praised him for leading a decent life and sending her gifts.
Where can I find out more about him ? Fascinating.
@@mattt4309 Or Google "Saad Kheir: Jordan's ace of spies by By David Ignatius" if the link is removed by YT.
Amazing, I remember when I was a field operator for the CIA this was a new tactic in the early 2000s.
it works but for the right people.
+Jawarneh 1 (The one) "right" people, yes!
Jawarneh 1 didn't work for Taliban haha
Movie is horrifically underrated
For some people, the key to cooperation is to take possession of their soul
well it depends on the person u gonna do this to , to effectively break a man you gotta learn him first
This scene.... Beside the fact that M Strong played the arab role, better then an actual arab is crazy...
Second... Karami knew he is finished... From the moment he was talking to Hani Salam (pictures being taken, money and gifts to his mother new house(!!!).... all of that it means death for him if a single word reaches his "brothers", so by acting as the good old friend from their youth, Hani actually assured that Karami is in his pocket....
"you will always be able to catch more fly with honey then with s@#t!!!
I loved how Strong played Hani Hanjour, and actually i think he was above both... DiCaprio and Crowe....
Di Caprio started with Blood Diamonds to look really like a man, not a boy, and continued with Body of Lies.... I think this is where he started to look like a man(in Deparded, thow he acted outstanding, he was stiil havin that 17 look, and definitely wouldn't portrete a man very well....)
Whether this method would work is the quintesence of the head of this specific inteligence operation. This is not a quantifiable ability in the industry and I do not know if it can ever be. You have to be able to know (always with a measure of certain certainty) if the asset you are developing can be amenable to this specific statecraft process or recruiting. You have to be able to know it's culture, psyche, family background and other characteristics I am too dump to know or suspect. A very delicate way of recruting in the inteligence community, developed by an intelligence community which does not have many tech or financial resources, and has to make do with what it has got. Πενία τέχνας κατεργάζεται. Νecessity is the mother of invention. I keep coming back to this film every now and again. I like Ridley. Always knows how to imprint.
sometimes is like training deed - reward, the deed or reward may vary depending on the character of the asset you wish to develop.
Very efective aproach
It can be effective. But like a lot of techniques if you have multiple lines in. It increases your chance of it being effective. As with all long shots the better you shape the parameters the more effective it will be.
One of many strategies, that's it. Information flow is the key and that too at the right time. Intelligence network fails without that.
Convincing him through *reverse psychology*
Might be everyone has something to learn from this particular scene.
*#BOL* *#Titanic** waala hero* for female crushes.
Love mark strong from Kerala, IND.
Damn they couldn't even give him a ride back thats a long way
No, it was a part of a lesson, don't you get it ?
the fear of death from terrorists and shame of letting his mother down and know the truth kept him in line, guaranteed he knew his mothers life outside of a refugee camp was subject to his cooperation.
Every person in the world has a set of values in his mind. If the method is in-line with them - it will work.
This is a the best part I'd make me heart breaking 👍❤️
it works most of the time
Depends how much faith you have in Allah. The sahabas in that sort of situation would have remained steadfast, and not fear what the consequences are, even if it meant the mother was killed, or he ended up dead.
Most don't have faith but fear. Fear of the hardliners and fear of the here after that has been instilled into them from birth. Religions are all the same. Only Islam is smarter and has commands for every aspect of your life and death.
That's why the Sahaba were ignorant, following a mad man like Muhammad
It recognizes that in any type of guerilla warfare, of which terrorism is one, people are the terrain that must be fought over.
That is not the question having to do with his mother. Yes this method works in the world of intelligence and law enforcement also. This guy is a small fish that swims with the big. Therefore, he has been caught doing something wrong, not punished but his mother is being taken care of. When his assistance is needed by pash or whatever his name is it is given.
Being on intelligence part i agree this works but with caution required bcz positive side is more but you know human being can do anything for some more money either legally or illegally
Salaam cinta kasih 💖💖💖💖
Without a doubt...It always works.👍
Well I sure do love to explain my position on this movie 🎥🙃😅🙂🤔
It's interesting when they battle each other for intelligence yet using such simple ways.
In a way, Karami thought he was fighting for "Islam".
How many times a day they must have to wash their vehicles I can't imagine.
0:05 age of emipres? :D
Lol I had a jordarnian professor of engineering materials in college named Hani Salim
Mustafa looks handsome...he jst needs a suit
Hunny you're pretty yourself, salam
@@DestinyAwaits19 thank you 💜 salam
@@emanahmad8049 do you wanna message in private?
@@DestinyAwaits19 y not
@@emanahmad8049 where would you like to talk?
Only works in cultures like those in the middle east.....this would NOT work in Moscow or Rome or North America. The informant would most likely not be capable of giving them the information that he does in the movie. He just wouldn't have access to it. This is a Hollywood attempt at developing an asset and was devised by an armchair theorist whose only basis is the expression "It's not what you do, but how you do it." This is a very odd discussion to be having on youtube by the way....
3:53
😭
Jordanian Intelligence is VERY good; arguable the best in the Middle East.
This method might work, but it will not have effect if the person in question is a "true believer" and if the one who is making the offer is an infidel. I'm not for torture, but the good cop routine doesn't always work.
🌿🌼hellooo🌼🌿
actually this was in the book ;)
It would really boil down to the asset you are try to use. While the person in this film can be easily swayed by throwing money at his situation. Not all people have this angle to exploit. And the fact he is a newly born fundamentalist helps with this cause. You may find the more radicalized, hard line fundamentalist to be harder to develop. Simply money and some gifts would do nothing for someone who thinks that the actions they take are gods will. I do think you would do alot better with this than say, enhanced interrogation. Which at best usually only gets you small bits of operational intel, and more chatter just to get the interrogation to stop.
Yes. It works. Not just on Jihadist which are some of the most difficult to crack.
Work for new recruitment, maybe?
My favorite shirt 1996
There is a lot of thing that is desirable in this world.
too many variables. In real life instances jihadis could be having the support of their families.
inteligence
From this video I percieve the bicycle to be the greatest asset. With a properly installed tracking/listening device, the bicycle can produce positive results long after the traitor expires. Spank you, spank you very much!
Little hook big hook.
culture ..... family is a #1 thing in a Muslims life ....this will work in any situation as long as you find the man week point ....in this case it was his mom :)
Love him, he plays a true Muslim ur duty is to please ur parents and not be a fucking luzer jihadi the real Jihad is life It’s self. God is not petty and needs no worship from man kind it your deeds is want distinguish you..... in his words “ALLAHI AKBIR” (God is great) for its proper to praise him
Yes
This is the only effective way to develop a CI or asset
One of the best way to turn an Islamist is to let him know that you have actually saved his life because you have not killed him. That way he will be obliged to serve you for your purposes. I think this is not shown in this movie but is clearly understood if you understand the beliefs of Islam. I am a Muslim myself but I hated these Islamists so much as they pose more threat to Muslims and Islam than the disbelievers. They are the Munafiq our deen or religion is talking about.
مثل عماني: خذ اقرارها مع اصغارها
AwesoM^ Bgm....
Armenian music. I think
Somehow a vague scene
Everytime
This Method works in the EAST...
I say, Donald would know.
it just standart mo
Fear will ALWAYS be a stronger motivator than love. Always.
Just as ENVY is the fuel to second industrial revolution. ENVY runs the world, not gree.
Leo come back home.i want tea daily morning.leo where u r i want tea.
It could work wonders with some but could just as well prove utterly foolish
Leo where u r ? Leo where's my breakfast.where is my morning tea with kiss?
ys
هلا بالعيال
ارحبو ارحبو
No. He has no proof except for his word
Noo chance for Americans one day in medal east totally fack of the fackest,every society having their own rays and frequencys ❤❤
Leo come back home right now I m home alone.i want u here wit me i m feeling hungry.come soon n cook something for me.waiting come soon.
You can never trust an Arab...ever. They may be your best friend and stand by you in many circumstances...but one day...they may sell you out. Unless of course they are no longer Muslims and no longer believe in Allah, but believe in the one true God, Adonai Eloheinu. Am Ys'rael Chai!❤🙏🏻🇮🇱. Stellar performance by Mark Strong though.
Well it migth be effective.. coz in ISLAM love ALLAH first and second love your mom.. mom is second to ALLAH in islam....
Leo i m telling u why u r there? i m telling u just come back home right now.ur home USA.
It wasn't an attempt, lol...
pure propaganda but it's entertaining
@DLarson1083 Dude, what is wrong with you?
I feel that with the obvious approach made during the daytime, in my opinion, I think he would have a 20% chance of surviving the next 72 hours if that. The video itself was good as far as what not to do.