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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มิ.ย. 2024
- Final Fantasy VII Remake is another gaming unicorn that eventually became real. Much like a few other projects of the same ilk, it wasn't as majestic upon seeing it up close. This time, however, disappointment evolves into much more...
0:00 - Prologue: The Pre-Release
8:29 - Chapter 1: No. 1 Reactor Bombing
21:01 - Chapter 2: At the Hideout in the Slums
34:53 - Chapter 3: To the No. 5 Reactor
38:29 - Chapter 4: The Woman at the Church
44:53 - Chapter 5: To Corneo Hall
48:58 - Chapter 6: Prevent the Fall of the Plate
57:52 - Chapter 7: Aerith's Secret
1:12:59 - Chapter 8: Storming the Shinra Building
1:23:42 - Chapter 9: The Nightmare Beginning Anew
1:34:42 - Chapter 10: Destiny's Crossroads
1:48:19 - Epilogue: The Unknown Journey
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Hey everyone, thank you for continuing to engage with this video over the past year or so. With the nearby release of Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, I just want to make it clear that my piece here is exclusively about "Remake" itself. The entire script was focused on what this entry means to me, regardless of what the outcome is of the overall trilogy. The entire point of making the video was that there's a lot of nuance to this whole debacle and that it's okay to express it without waiting another decade for this to finally end. The video is two hours specifically because I wanted to demonstrate that this is not a simple matter of, "it sucks lol." Art's not just about "Good and Bad." I acknowledge many times in the video that this game obviously has a ton of heart and talent put in, but that I'm disappointed because of some very crucial decisions pertaining to a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.
So, I kindly request that you do not use the hindsight of Rebirth onward against me when I was careful to only make conclusive statements about the present and not the future. There's no "gotcha" to be had because (spoiler for those who haven't finished) my stance was that it ultimately doesn't matter. The sequels cannot reverse my fundamental issues with the project's inception, and I don't intend to be a party pooper with that in mind. It'll be a great time for the overwhelming majority and I have no reason to be spiteful towards anyone for enjoying the upcoming game(s.) So if I'm not going after you... please do not go after me. Thank you.
I respect you griping about the remake. It's terrible. But this is the internet
People will be like "gotcha" or whatnot. Keep ripping this a new A
you were right when you made this video, you'll be right after rebirth drops, and you'll continue to be right when they finish the trilogy.
this was a 0/10 remake. a 3/10 reboot/sequel.
When I think of the remake of FF7, bastardized is the word that comes to mind. How Square Enix can get away with making a lower in quality of the original and adding new characters that no one wanted. Then we have the cheek of the newer Final Fantasy fans claiming turn based was dropped because of new hardware and this is what the original FF7 should look like and so on. I enjoyed the video, I'm pleased I came across this channel as I feel there's not many of us around anymore.
wait wait wait wait wait.... did you NOT know you get Omnislash for free if you suck so hard that you never get it throughout the game?
What I realized when I came back to finish the ff7 remake (cause I stopped because it became a chore) was I love this style of FF gameplay, the blend of action and turn-based is really good with this one, I also hate that they had to break it up into MULTIPLE parts I mean shit isn't part 2 good enough to end it you're telling me there might be a part 3?? Come on square...but I'll still buy it and play it I really just hope it doesn't have extremely dull parts that are a chore to get through, I was pulling my teeth at certain points in the last couple chapters cause it was so boring, the ending though...was high octane action and even though I can see why people complain about it I thought it was a badass way to end part 1 after that awful Hojos basement mundane switched between two parties bs 🫠
I've noticed that western and Eastern devs tend to have opposing strengths and weaknesses. Western devs reject or fear originality and innovation, but are good at iteration and refining what's proven to work. Meanwhile eastern devs are much more creative and original, but are slow to embrace objectively beneficial design trends and obsessed with reinventing the wheel no matter how unnecessary it is and no matter how destructive it is to the finished product.
FF7 remake wasn't a destructive product though. It was well received with a vocal minority complaining because they didn't get the same exact game with a new coat of paint.
@@crystalwater505 I believe he said that in a general perspective. I doubt he was talking about FFVII Remake as a whole. He didn't even slander the game. He just stated an all too common mentality between devs from the West and the East and he is right on that. The West strengthen long standing foundations while the East put new ideas and concepts into practice regardless of the overall reception of it.
If we were to get down to that topic, it's not just limited into games. You can see it from architecture to culture on how the West and the East have very differering concepts of various things.
@@TheyCallMeSledge Stalker.
There's some truth to this but the opposite can be said of both as well. At the end of the day, they both make video games for the sake of profit. If Nintendo thinks Star Fox or Paper Mario will sell better as an adventure game, they'll do it. If Activision/EA thinks Call of Duty/Madden will sell better by staying safe and making minimal changes, they’ll do it. If Square thinks FFVIIR and even FF16 will sell better as a western style action game, they'll do it. They all try different kinds of things and sugarcoat it in different ways but its done for the sake of profit. Of course, you'll always have your outliers from both. Your passion projects like the Xenoblades, God of Wars, Doom Eternals, Elden Rings, Zeldas, etc.
And yet it used to be the opposite, in the 1700s and 1800s the West was the source of Enlightenment thought, eclectic art styles inspired by other cultures, new econonic philosophies and the Industrial Revolution, all of which were anti-conventional and anti-traditional phenomena. Meanwhile, East Asia did things like they had done for hundreds or thousands of years. Most of the great and revolutionary works of art, literature and composed music from this era came from Europe.
My favorite part: "I will never not take the stairs! I don't even know what the other way looks like!" Barret: "This sucks! I wanna go back!" 🤣🤣🤣
Shame they cut Tifa calling him a retard :^)
I was a bit apprehensive clicking on this video, simply because I like Remake for what it is and I didn't wanna watch a 2 hour video of someone going on a rant. But I was curious about the word "betray" and decided I would listen to just the first few mins. Very quickly, just based on the way you were speaking, your style of delivery, and the points you were making, I decided I was gonna watch the whole thing. and kudos, because the video didn't feel like it was two hours long. You didn't ramble, your thoughts were clear, and the video well paced.
You know, it's interesting. Every single one of your points here was valid, and yet, I still like Remake. Maybe it's because I played the OG for the first time right before Remake, and so I didn't have years of love and attachment to then be disappointed how the new one turned out. By the time I got into the OG FF7, I already know Remake was split into 3 parts and that it wasn't a faithful remake but a new retelling. But I did grow up with Kingdom Hearts, and my love for the franchise definitely died with KH3, a game I was supremely disappointed about, so I guess I kinda see where you're coming from. and I see on the side there that you have a 2 hour video about KH3; looking forward to watching that.
While Sephiroth showing up in Remake didn't bother me (and again, you raised some great and valid points) I did feel the same way you felt about his appearances but in Rebirth. I know you said you're not interested at the end of the video, but I really do hope you cover Rebirth. There's a lot to discuss there, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on it!
Fun Fact, The entirety of Final Fantasy 7 OG fits onto one disc, the only reason there are three is because of the fmv cutscenes taking up a ton of space
then...it doesn't fit? I mean the FMV cutscenes are part of the game.
Or you mean like the playable part of the game?
@@CronicasDeGisthia pretty much yeah, additionally, a large majority of the game (minus sound effects and fmvs) was actually stored in the ps1's ram, meaning you could still play it even with the disc removed. There's a video on here I know where a guy shows this off and it's really cool
If u remove the FMVs in the OG.. would the game be playable(understanable)? If not then it means the game couldnt fit a disc
Without cutscenes OGFF7 is a shadow of itself. It was those glorious cutscenes that made it so popular, it was the focus of their entire promotional campaign which may be the most successful and impactive campaign in gaming history.
I feel like a lot of games exaggerate the "grave" side of Cloud, and make him look bored and insecure all the time.
He was much more chill and mischievous in FF7 than a lot of people seem to think, and it is almost only during the bombing missions that he actually has that grave and serious attitude.
He lightens up a lot after that, and jokes around in various ways.
The OG has a lot of little moments of Cloud just being a goofy country boy. It’s honestly sad how he’s been misconstrued to be all brooding and emo.
The dialogue and clouds portrayal is my biggest issue. I just fucken hate this dude. Such a cunt to everyone, and for no reason. (English dub btw) and I CANNOT stand the random grunting anime noises from the characters in place of actual dialogue. Feels very weird when cloud or co is asked something directly to their face and they go “hmmmm aghhh ughhhh” and look to the ground. Did a brain damaged child write this?
@@hollyshock8400 I think the creators said he's supposed to be awkward and anti-social though. He failed to become SOLDIER and was always shy. Even the flashback where Tifa got mad at him for ignoring her never happened, she actually didn't notice him when they were children in that scene.
@@eveningrice That version of Cloud is supposed to be after the reveal. For the majority of the game, Cloud is supposed to be emulating Zack's personality. If he is already brooding right from the start, then it doesn't make any sense why Aeris even think Cloud resembles Zack. Even then, once Cloud accepts his past, he doesn't go back to being anti-social. He is still awkward, but accepts that he has friends that will help him. That is his character development. Whatever version of Cloud Square Enix dished out after the original has little resemblance to the original.
@@zeiva always processed Cloud becoming casual and less fake after he remembered himself. He was bummed in Advent Children due to the state of the world and an ongoing identity crisis, but he got over that in the movie. In his last canon appearance, in Dirge of Cerberus, the man cracks wise when he shows up and even kinda grins.
They threw all that out to make him a generic anime sad boy. Pitiful.
Something that I felt was SUPER important in the original is that the original had one of THE most unique methods of storytelling via gameplay I've ever seen. When you play the flashback arc where Cloud is on his first mission with Sephiroth, and you control both of them as you go through the town, the disparity in power level is stunning. It's told through the numbers, and I don't think I've ever experienced anything like it since. When Sephiroth attacks, his worst hits are going to do 2000-3000 if not WAY more, and Cloud's do like 15-40 (iirc), and Cloud routinely gets KO'd in battle. Sephiroth is shown to have a power level so far ahead of anything we've seen so far that you FEEL just how strong he his. It's very clever and says a lot without literally saying anything at all.
I just got to this part in the original today and agree. Hope they keep it in Rebirth.
You never controlled Sephiroth it was an AI you only played as Cloud
@@GrandmasterKnight32 I just meant he was in your party and you can see his output and stats
@@actuallynotsteve that's not what you said though
@@GrandmasterKnight32 This is the strangest nitpick ever. You control the party, they're both in your party.
5:40
FF7 is technically a single-disk game; each of its disks has the entirety of its game stamped onto it (which allowed you to actually hot-swap the disks with minimal disruption to the game, which was very useful if you happened to have a scratched or dirty disk). The reason it had to be broken into multiple disks is entirely the fault of the cutscenes.
Good Ole days
Oh that's cool. Never knew they could be hot swapped like that.
@Skyverb it tells you not to shut console off and insert disc 2 or 3
@@patrickbrooks2644 Oh I know that part; when u reach the end of each disc's story. I was saying I didn't know u could hot swap before those points; as OP mentioned.
I initially read this comment without my glasses and thought you said "dicks" instead of "disks"😂
barrets banter during the stair climbing was fucking hilarious, had me rollin.
I loved how he started singing in pain
I love that they slow you down as you go so you start to rethink your decision just like when you decide to take the stairs irl.
took the elevator. there was some funny moment also,. A random dude pop in, talking on the phone about avalanche terrorist about to attack anyday now, while barret tifa and cloud, arm to the teeths stand not 2 feet away from him. Those glances were funny.
@@kyrrozz lol yeah i did both instances just to see, elevator was funny too.
getting slowed down on the stairs was just paaaainful
I never saw the "Aerith in front of the Highwind" art to be a mistake, viewed with the context of the game is a sore reminder that she never flew in it. I believe you have an opportunity to see the highwind early on when you visit Junon. Aerith could have glimpsed it there, never to join the others when they took to the skies.
That's actually pretty clever and heart wrenching.
Like the barret in aeriths church art, I just took it to mean wrong disc, since it's the only time it was ever seen in game
I thought the exact same, and never saw it as an error as well. Your also 100% right! There's an entire area in Junon where the Highwind is docked and floating. Aerith absolutely saw a airship as long as she was in your party I suppose. 🤷♂️
Yes, you can take the ship back to junon, after getting the buggy. It‘s there. Found it by mistake today. Pretty neat.
All of these artwork are scenes we don't see in the game (except Sephiroth and Cloud), we don't see Barret at Aerith's church with Marlene, Red XIII standing next his petrified father, Yuffie on a hill next to Wutai, Tifa as an adult on top of the water tower, Cid sitting in his plane staring at Rocket Town or Vincent standing on top of a building in Nibelheim. Aerith in front of the Highwind is obviously the first time you go to Junon, they all follow up after Cloud after he goes up using the dolphin. This artwork is no different than any other. You guys are reading WAY too much into this.
The problem with Aerith potentially not dying in this version (and who knows? Maybe it's a bait and switch,) is that FFVII was *conceived* around Sakaguchi's mother's death and how he himself was coping with it. Aerith is a stand in for his mother and Aerith saves the day at the end through the lifestream which symbolizes how those who are gone still have very real effects on us in life... This is true of Zack's character too. FFVII is fundamentally about loss and FFVII remake is throwing that all away it seems. It's replacing the *core.*
You could say the "remake" is experiencing...a Crisis of its Core.
.....I'll see myself out
@@silentmoondemon Exquisite.
those themes were never portrayed well
You have no idea what's gonna happen or who's gonna die nobody wants to play the exact same game I'm glad they made a fresh new story
@@xernade 🤣 see here is where your "logic" is showing I don't have to because they made a new game, stupid ass point
Man, when I first played Remake, I completely forgot about the plate falling by the time I got out of that fucking train graveyard.
Honestly if the ONLY time we saw Sephiroth was Palmer seeing him in the corridor it would have been pretty good. Though it should have happened later, right after they got captured and freed.
Tease him like that why exactly? It's not like we don't know he'll play a part in the story, or how he looks.
In the OG FF7 the teasing and big reveal worked because no one knew him, no one. Meanwhile by 2020 he was among the most famous videogame villains of all time, so teasing wouldn't work because everyone knows him.
Also, the game is a REMAKE, not a REMASTER. Remasters are the ones that take the story 1:1 and upgrade everything for the new console gen.
Remakes tend to change stuff to give an entire new experience to the player, and that's what the new FF7R trilogy is supposed to be.
@@ghoulknight1526 Because his obsession with Cloud makes absolutely no sense. He didn't even know who Cloud was until he became a useful tool for him.
A remaster is taking the old game and upscaling textures and (sometimes) adding quality of life features, what you're describing is a re-imagining, not a remake.
I love sephiroth as much as the next guy, but the whole reason I want to play FF7 is to see everything build up to it.
i think ff7 has that lore edging that goes for it more than others
ff9 has a ending if you ignore Necron
Exactly. In the first disc he was just an enigma that you never saw until he finally appeared at the Nibelheim flashback. That made you imagine what he looked like; someone who is so infamous and seems to always be a step ahead of you
my faith in squaresoft burned bright with final fantasy 7
my faith in square enix died with the remake...
@@fumomofumosarum5893 absolutely agree!
When Zack said “it’s mako time” against the Shinra guards I got literal chills.
One of the lines of all time
Especially when he mako'd all over them.
Oh stfu the meme was never funny & it’s old
monkey see monkey do
mako see mako do
appreciated this video a lot. it encapsulates many of my own thoughts towards the " REMAKE "
I get the feeling Jeb watched Robot Co-Op's - Final Fantasy 7 Remake | When Stories Become Too Famous for Their Own Good ( th-cam.com/video/kYdkrAZWbTM/w-d-xo.html )
But they're both right. Wrecked the story which the original was great but had problems that could have been fixed up.
Honestly, I think I needed this video.
After finishing 7 Remake, I remember feeling really empty, or at least angry at it because of how the story felt like it was written in spite. But then I kept seeing and hearing positive things about it and I started wondering if I was just wrong about it. I eventually gaslit myself into liking it a bunch, but there was always that lingering feeling in the back of my mind.
I just finished Rebirth the other night, and hoo boy did it bring back those feelings of anger and frustration at the story that I won't expound on yet for spoiler reasons. It's such a shame too because everything else is phenomenal, minus the actual plot and the toooons of padding.
This video gave me comfort in that I'm not crazy to have had doubts in the past 4 years about Remake. And honestly, I think a lot of my grievances could be attributed to them labeling and marketing the first game as a "remake". Had they just been honest in the first place I probably would have been more open to them.
I was asking myself the same while playing REMAKE. All I asked was Remake / Remastered from OG. That´s all, yeah, a little more deep story, sure!
I mean, yes! I had fun the playing the game. Did I enjoyed it? Yeah, it was fine! -Graphics, characters, Voice Actors, ambience everything was great!
Until, the timelines bullshit story came onto scene, I was like: "WHAT? This crap about multiverses shit, again?"..
I was so down about it, because it felt like a knockoff from Kingdom Hearts (which bored me so much btw) .
I haven't played Rebirth because... I'm scared I won't like it. I have seen screenshots and mini shorts on YT from specific scenes... but, still nothing that reassures me that it's okay to buy and play, not because of the graphics but, because how much the story is changed.
i'm with you tho i stuck to my guns, is alot great like music and characters have more weight in better graphics and with voice acting, a lot of the stuff the expanded was awesome but the end and just the lack of rpg elements action elements made it feel like a lame kh game, the story changes all added nothing and where worse in most case, n dint gaslight myself, just got abuse from the "fans" i no longer consider myself a final fantasy fan as im not aloud to have a opinion beyond namura and confusing plot is great.... its not
more than anything i'm sad that i was so excited for a ff7 remake to get met with a narrative that spits in its face! and now we never get a real remake is this style 😭 so much wasted potential!
by sales numbers they messed up so your not wrong, online just full of fanboys/girls calling everything a masterpiece and the people who hate it or not interested are less verbal so will always see more praise than hate its called ecco chambers
I did this, too. I tricked and convinced myself into liking it. It's really disappointing. There are SO MANY things I liked in this game, but it's so padded out and boring. On top of that, they changed the story! Why couldn't they have just done a remake?
Rebirth is 90 percent minigame 10 percent story. lol
"Whenever Sephiroth's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, 'Where's Sephiroth?'"
I mean, that's pretty much true in the original, too, just not in midgar.
I love that I understand this reference
Or I do you one better "Why is Sephiroth?" 🤣
This comment absolutely NEEDS more likes.
"Sephiroth died on the way back to his home planet"
One thing to point out is the voices are perfect. They didn't have voices in the original but somehow they all sound exactly the way I imagined they would sound.
Out of curiosity is this the first time you've heard their voices? Have you checked out Other games with Cloud and the others appeared in?
@@toddstone230 yes and I know they matched them to Advent Children. My point is that's how I imagined them the first time around.
what are you talking about? barret, aerith and many others are bloody awful.
Really? I find the voices and lipsinc average at Best (for a project like that), specially on pivotal scenes...
@@mateusgreenwood1096yes, I recently played Nier replicant and the voice acting in that game blows this remake out of the water, listening the voice acting and scenes in ffVll remake feels mediocre after that
Jessie has a line in the original about how her bomb wasn't powerful enough to make the explosion that happened, the remake just makes it more explicit because it was easy to miss.
Honestly, there is not even need for it to be said at all. You've seen the first reactor, and it is not like she was planting a nuclear bomb. It is pretty clear that the idea of the entire plate being knocked down as a side effect of AVALANCHE's actions targeting something entirely different from the pillar is visibly ludicrous from what happened before and some common sense.
@@louisvictor3473 I'm talking about just the first bomb in the first reactor. The whole "took the plate down" thing was blamed on AVALANCHE bombing the support pillar directly, not a side-effect of the reactor bombings.
Yeah weirdly it was kinda teed up
@@lordravenblade Fair, it has been a while since my last play through, I misunderstood what you said. Indeed, odd that in the original it is so blink and you miss, because that is basically foreshadowing. I guess this is a plus for the "remake".
@@louisvictor3473 Yeah, you need to talk to her right after going down the pinball machine elevator, before walking into the room and triggering Barrett's dialogue. She's like "Whoops! I thought I followed the directions but I must have miscalculated somewhere". I actually just ran back through the beginning of the game to make sure I wasn't misremembering.
43:00 That wasn't even a plot hole. She's alive during the first trip to Junon, and if you talk to her on the cargo ship, she explicitly expresses a desire to ride the airship some day. Right in the feels there.
I was about to say the same thing. Good thing I looked in the comments for someone who already said it
Glad that someone remembers, people are reading way too much into this. Also if you check the other artwork, they're all scenes we don't see in the game, like Barret and Marlene at Aerith's church looking for Cloud. The Aerith one is obviously when they go to Junon right after Cloud goes up using the dolphin, they had to pass by the Highwind.
The beautiful green fields of Junon.
@@Yashirmareyup that sit right behind the top of the city and all around the outside so she could absolutely see it from the Airport.
@@kjh4496 Look at Junon in the overworld and tell me half a mountain is flat plains.
I guess Nomura and the boys were watching Neon Genesis Evangelion Rebuild and said "We can do that better"
And they didn't.
@@Shendue Ironically, Anno's NGE stuff after the EoE OVA is all crap IMHO, like what they did here with FF7R. You can see the similarities in how the story structure gets changed for worse beat by beat. A similiar phenomenon I'd say. In Hideki Anno's case, I'm not sure if he's tired of re-telling Eva's story over & over or if the suits want him to do it to try & print money.
@@PaulieMcCoy 3.0+1.0 imo is way better than End of Evangelion.
@@PaulieMcCoy Bad comparison, I think. Like them or not, EoE and the rebuilds were purpose built with a specific goal in mind. The FF7 remakes(?), on the other hand, seem only to exist and deviate just for the sake of doing so.
EoE and the Rebuild movies are purpose built middle fingers to the obsessive fans of the series or those who didn't understand it's message. EoE reiterates the point of the series, but showcases a much more negative outcome for having "not learning the lesson in time". The rebuild films are the cinematic equivalent of an spitefully slamming someone's face into a face, with the first film being wish fulfillment bait, the second film being a subversion, and the third film being Anno's wish fulfillment that ends with a very explicit "no more evas, go out outside".
@@spnked9516 It's so funny how the biggest hater of Evangelion is Anno himself.
"RANDOM JENOVA BOSS FIGHT" the sheer break into that line so casually has me on my ass.
This video has only increased in its accuracy given everything happening in Rebirth. You voiced so many of my thoughts since Remake so well.
I like the thumbnail
It shows the gentle changes in art style while also staying true to his 1st appearance
I don’t know who you are, but I’m glad I watched this video and I’m glad you made it. Thank you!
1:17:10 I just finished Remake for the first time prior to Rebirth releasing… and I did the stairs like two nights ago and laughed so many times. My favorite part was also Barrot’s “This sucks, I wanna go back.” So much better than the elevator option.
Excellent analysis, i know its a lot of work but your kingdom hearts and final fantasy videos were really well put together.
I hope you will continue to do these sorts of videos, again, great work!
For me the big problem with the whole 'sequel' thing is not just that it was called 'remake', it's that it was made because there was huge enthusiasm for a remake, it wasn't that people were saying "can we have another sequel please, we loved Dirge of Cerberus".
It's because it's not a sequel, it's a remake, you're misinterpreting the story and believing youtube fan theories. Have fun living in denial.
@@domx7zero157 correct. Idk why these nerds constantly misinterpret the word REMAKE. It's an overhauled version of the original with drastic changes. If you wanted the same game with a fresh coat of paint then that's a REMASTER.
@@huelolhue4018 It's funny how both of you are misinterpreting both what OP is saying and what the video is saying while accusing everyone else of not getting it. Real intellectuals you defender types are.
The point isn't that FF7R isn't a remake, it's a remake obviously, the point is that it was presented as a game that would be made from the ground up, recreating the original game like Shadow of the Colossus for example (which by your definition is not a remake, which it is), when in reality it's a continuation of FF7 with a new plot.
We also didn't want a remaster, we wanted a remake with the action combat and graphics shown in the trailers, with the original story, or at the very least one equally as good. The people who asked for a remaster and the people who asked for a remake aren't the same. This is beyond simple and if either of you had any reading comprehension you wouldn't have typed these comments out in the first place.
Also Dom, nothing about his comment has to do with the story and if you think the video is a TH-cam fan theory I suggest getting your head checked for tumors. Good day.
@@huelolhue4018 “drastic changes to the original” yet it shows events that happened in the original and 2 characters that know what happens and are trying to change that. The first game had to have HAPPENED. Look I’m a fan of the remake, but it’s ridiculous to say that this isn’t a sequel😂😂
@@Handles_are_garbage what contradictions are you referring to?
Ah yes, I am going to remake The Lord of the Rings. The first part will end when Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin unite and leave The Shire. However, Sauron has knowledge of how the original story ends, and so he appears to Frodo as an apparition at several points, beginning at Bilbo's party. He arrives personally to fight the hobbits at the Brandywine Bridge. The Hobbits fight the fate ghosts because they don't want the original ending where they won... because Boromir died. They want FREEDOM.
Don’t give them idea’s Amazon will do it 😭😭
This pretty much perfectly sums up the big problem with Final Fantasy VII Remake lol. 😂
But just look at all the extra detail in the foot hair! Totally worth it
The part where we had to climb the lights to get to the security booth just to climb the elevator...I guess we should be grateful that we only had to climb 69 flights of stairs instead of 99...I noticed Cait Siths ultimate megaphone was nowhere to be found...anyways
So I'm in the middle of my first playthrough of the remake and this is how I found out its not the complete game
wouldnt it have been so much cooler if Sephiroth had a sort of Tyler Durden roll? showing up in the background in a passing crowd, a glimpse of silver hair, a voice in the distance, mentions of the man, showing up for a single frame in security footage. shit like that is AWSOME for horror!
Wonder if they'll pull something like that in rebirth?
@@thewolfking3054 how? they already exposed him much more in remake pt1 than in all off the og story combined. prepare that he gets as much anime trope screen time as he did in remake, cheapening everything about him sadly.
I mean...that is exactly what is happening lol. Note how Cloud is not physically able to touch Sephiroth in the intro scene. Seph is not physically there, hes just using Clouds memory as an anchor point to that reality. And attempting to 'REMAKE' events of the past by leading him down another path. Its all very meta. After this scene, you will notice that cats will do the same thing throughout the rest of remake.
Hint - how many cats do you remember from the OG? Probably not many. These are all very purposeful hints that let the player know VERY early in the game that this is NOT a remake. This is a game subtitled 'Remake' and there is a HUGE difference.
@@kazyink7187 When OP mentions 'Tyler Durden', he's talking about the very early parts of Fight Club prior to his proper introduction, where he appears in single frames, as a background character, and just generally lurking or 'haunting' the scene--like Sephiroth uhh... isn't in the remake. At all.
@@TheMightyNovac oh, that would be terrible and make no sense.
Final Fantasy 7 was literally my first video game, introduced to me by my Dad. Once I realized what this remake was ACTUALLY doing... yeah I had no words. I just dropped the game back off to Gamestop and just never looked back. Absolutely broke my heart. The one chance for a true FFVII remake was just completely wasted. And there's just no way we'll get the remake the game needed, like, ever.
Fans will have to do it i realize.
Sephiroth is pretty much one of the big signs that shows the huge flaw with this game. Like how many new and young players knw sephiroth, like actually know him from the original game and not just from smash r kingdom hearts? He is nothing but a cameo here. Take spiderman ps4. Eveyone knows Doc Ock and yet the game built him up. Cause this is how story telling works. We still cared about his character, we had sympathy hope and it was crushing when he sadly became the villain we know and feared. We seen it many time before and yet the game managed to retell his story in a way that we still cared and enjoyed... sephiroth... is just there cause he is evil cloud or something, who knows, who cares, give us money.
And honestly what kinda disgusts me a little more, how square managed to gas light so many people into believing that this remake was what they where always asking for. No it was not. No one asked for a shitty ass fan fiction that does not respect the wishes of the original fans and is also no proper introduction for new comers.
And the best part is that in building that Doc Ock up, he became my favorite version of the character! Just.... like.... Sephiroth could have been in this remake. Woahh. :O
@@JebZone exactly, and wow, thank you for reading my somewhat long comment ^^;
Seriously, this isn't what fans wanted. We wanted the SAME story, only fleshed out. We wanted the SAME characters, only fleshed out. We wanted the SAME combat, only fleshed out. Give us all sorts of new materia combinations/exploits the developer never saw coming. We're still seeing new, creative ways people use OG materia 25+ years later. No one will do the same for this, or any, of the Remake(s). SE said shit like, "Well, can't please everyone." How about pleasing the people, that, you know, truly held this game in such legendary regard??? The same people that held SquareSoft as their favorite developer for DECADES???
Even If everyone knows who sepiroth is... everyone hasn't experienced that story for themselves and it is completely different than hearing about it.
I watch, play, and read great stories that I HAVE already experienced and very often think "oh that's why they were so good" because even rexperiencing them is more visceral than remembering them.
Ff7 is a masterpiece of story pacing and development and would of held merit today as well.
The older I get the more I realize it wasn't just 'nostalgia' or me being a kid, the classic works of the past were really just good.
Watched Ghostbusters from 1980s recently and thought it was a masterpiece. It probably wasn't though, just by contrast seems like one today because of how low the bar has dropped.
@@astrahcat1212 yea dude I recently played a lot of old school games. Some of them I was replaying some I was playing for the first time.
Its not nostalgia, modern games are missing something.
Idk if Ghostbusters is a masterpiece but you could def make an argument for it.
@@asdfghjkllkjhgfdsa8725 They're missing heart or soul or whatever you wanna call it. The special sauce, maybe creators giving a crap. 🤔
@@astrahcat1212 there are creators who give a crap but those are very rare these days and some times being forced by there publishers to release unfinished games
Nah, he's just male eve from parasite eve
I think this is a mix of "the wrong person for the project" and Nomura having lost the plot of game development a while ago. See also the KH 3 video, and Super Eyepatch Wolf's video on Final Fantasy 15. The guy was doing mass rewrites, scrapping everything and starting over from the ground up, changing genres, over and over again. And it's reflected in how these three games are paced. They can't decide what they want to be and don't care to end their stories in a meaningful way, or even build particularly meaningful narratives anymore. You can almost see nomura's whims shifting as you play them, "I want this kind of game", "now I want this system", "now I want this game instead". And it leads to these bloated, expanded, boring, dissapointing games about exclusively asking exciting questions and then getting acidicly angry when you dare ask for an answer. "Why can't you just be happy with more questions?! Isn't that fun?!" The games snap at you.
Your theory really loses ground when you go to interviews where he admits to being more of a consultant than the co-director square forced him to be. Writing was entirely by Nojima, who wrote KH1 and 2, Advent Children, Dirge of Cerberus, Crisis Core, amongst other monstrosities, and also mostly finished the script for the OG FFVII, whit most of Nomura's input that we know being "he pushes for the game to follow the original one closely".
@@matheusmartins1716 So your argument is that this other guy wrote all of the other games that have better scripts that people liked but NOT this, KH3, or FF15, the games that I specifically mentioned. In addition, we have evidence that Nomura spent so much time restarting and remaking and redoing over and over that they had to send another guy down to take the reigns and force them to finish and release what they had. (See the aforementioned FF15 video...)
One quote in one interview to help save face doesn't magically overturn the evidence of our eyes nor all the interviews prior, as well as Nomura being the lead director and creative behind these three games. Sure though, go off, insist that Nomura was an innocent victim of the forces conspiring to ruin his reputation in order to ???
@@marzgamingmaster I didn't mention KH3 cause I didn't bother to play it. It's probably as terrible as the other ones, with the added negative point that of gameplay being worse than the previous ones.
But specifically, I didn't mention XV cause:
1st - Super Eyepatch Wolf's video is badly researched and really old, with information that even at the time, were badly researched leaving many details off the video, or just straight up, being wrong.
2nd - I followed Versus XII/XV since 2007, all the way through it's horrendous development that was a combination of all the worse traits of current Square Enix.
First, Square at this point saw the need to stretch Nomura as thin as they could to have his name in all places they could have it (if you want an example, the first credited name on XV you'll see is his, although he didn't have any connection to the game at that point), and although they wanted this game to exist, they still made him work in more than 10 different titles before the game even got re-branded to XV.
One of the comments that Eyepatch wolf makes reference to (which was really out of context and badly interpreted, where he says the designer said the team was unorganized, while he was actually saying that since he never worked in games before, he felt that way about it cause his only experiences were with animation/anime teams) actually shines a lot of light on the production, Roberto Ferrari said that "the game would get re written over and over again in a couple of months", and that in most part is due to Nomura needing to work on something else, coming back with new ideas and start all anew. Interestingly enough, Ferrari actually always compliments Nomura and the VsXIII team, even deciding to follow him to any project he'd call him, as he said himself.
Now, I could go on about FFXV, about how many times Tabata tried to save face lying about something, just to someone else later find out on the demos (and even on the games files) evidence he was just lying to not say he changed things to fit his own vision, but that's not necessary right now, Versus XIII was a mess, nothing really sets in stone the fact that it was going to be a better written game... but at least from trailers and the first two demos (that were closer to the final state the original team left the game on), we can say gameplay was way better, go figure.
Now, once again, about Remake, his name, just as always, is plastered by Square on it, to the point were Nomura told people (basically laughing at this fact that's, honestly, fucked) that he learned that he would be the game's director, while watching the teaser (the one that everyone saw on E3) with everyone else on square, learning with everyone in the company that also had nothing to do with the game at that point.
And then again, because he was being stretched thin by square, he barely even was a director on Remake, being mostly a supervisor giving some ideas, then again, the comment about him being the one pushing the game to be closer to the original. Still, he said he did things, but tbh, I don't remember a single interview where he claimed anything outside of the battle system and how the game ended.
As a matter of fact, we don't even know how much input he gave to Rebirth, but judging from the fact that Square had to announce that he wasn't going to direct it as a co-director "like on Remake", I'd say, he probably didn't do much, and probably because he is tired of being labeled by things he didn't do, he even said in an interview that most of the "Nomura-isms" (in general to all games he worked on) are not his actual doings. I know he drew some stuff from promotional materials, then again, could be remnants of thing he already did before that Square's only now showing to the public.
Now, I'm not a Nomura fan, I like one character he wrote for (Original VII Aerith), don't care much about the two he made for FFVI (They're not bad, just don't care about them), and I hate most of his more recent artworks and designs, looking forward to people like Lisa Fujise and Gen Kobayashi to take his place drawing artworks (since they draw in his style better than he does). But throughout the year, I've seen his name being dragged down the mud by things he never did, things that actually make me pissed off since I'm a creative like him. I do shit on him, but for the things he actually did and that I actually consumed.
If you want to blame Nomura for something, do it fairly, although, then you'll have to make fun of the KH portable games, since those are the only games he actually wrote for and directed at the same time (not that I would, since, again, everything about this world was mostly set in stone by Nojima on KH 1 and 2, but these games are the only ones he got to do without any interference from Square or Disney).
"I can take a shit in a crosswalk,and that would be different"lmaooo i literally lol so hard
"The reason why Sephiroth became the foe we remember wasn't because how often he was there, it was because how often he wasn't."
I couldn't have agreed more with that statement. Square fucked up with that anonymity, which they were always good at before in other games, but for some reason they jus rushed it here. AND not only is sephiroth always there now, he sounds more like Cloud's past child molester than his nemesis.
we're still buying it.
@@EnigamiNetshinobi Who is we?
The problem is we already kmow who Seph is given that FF7 is so popular and have been adapted in several forms of media. There is no mystery anymore, so it makes no sense to go with the old mysterious Sephiroth.
@@Shadow-gm9ct bit exaggerated there he’s shown twice at the start like twice somewhere late game and obviously at the end that’s about it if I remember out of a good 30-50 hour game.I feel like this is something we will find out in the sequels he was not put in there to be just there he’s been put there to mess with Cloud and to change the events of FF7 not entirely but just enough that was the whole point of the whispers the party have now defeated them which is what I think sephiroth wanted so the story is now going to change and Sephiroth clearly has his plans so expect some changes in the next games.
@@ceruleanx5364 Sephiroth is popular amongst Final Fantasy fans. Someone who never played a Final Fantasy game until the remake won’t get that same anonymity of the original. He’ll come across differently and it’ll split the fanbase on who he should be as a character.
To add to how Sephiroth is shown at the beginning of the remake... If they had done it in a more subtle way rather than out right put Sephiroth there! Cloud was hearing voices in his head in the original game and the remake did put in mako "addiction". If they took those two concepts and made it a bit more mysterious I think it would have been better, like the voice of the Jenova Cells in Cloud messing with his head mixed in with maybe Zack or maybe his own monologue, I think that would be pretty effective in building some intrigue as well as mystery for new players while giving a subtle wink to the older ones. Like you mentioned in the video Sephiroth was only slightly hinted at the beginning and shown in Cloud's retelling of "his" time in Nibelhiem. The first time the group encounters the image of Sephiroth is actually on the Shinra boat before the Jenova Birth fight and even then Sephiroth is a bit cryptic bringing in more questions than answers. I felt motivated as a player waaaaaaaaaaay back to chase after Sephiroth at that point to learn what the heck was going on. Putting him right at the beginning is comparable to like a poorly done horror movie.... horror movies need suspense, sounds, atmosphere, and camera angles, sometimes you might not even see the creature or murderer or whatever till much later, if they reveal the big bad right at the start well might as well spoil the whole experience! If they had left Sephiroth out along with that burning Nibelhiem scene ... I think the remake part 2's trailer would have been far more impactful maybe. I am curious as to how they are going to do the world map and how far they are going to take the second part? I dread that the second part will only be Cloud's retelling...
its imposible to keep fucking sephirot a secret, the guy is in smash bros, he is the most popular villain in the entire franchise and even people that have never played the original know about him, any attempt at trying to keep him misterious would be meet with "and when does sephiroth appear exactly?" or "so he is hearing sephiroth or something?" people in 1997 didnt knew who sephiroth was, people in 2020 knew or at least had heard about him even new fans
the diference is that when the game originaly came out over 20 years ago it was a completly new story and the gaming industry was much smaller and less developed, final fantasy 7 on itself became a franchise with like a dozen spin of tittles and a movie, its not easy to write the story because you need to take all that into account the expectations are very diferent from when the game originally released to today
That moment where you talk about Sephiroth and "how do you even hijack your own story?" cracked a rib lol
Thanks so much for making this. There are so many things about the remake they messed up that are so hard to explain why. I love your line about it not being a remake, but instead, a freaking commentary.. Breaks my freaking heart.
sounds more like a bad sequel than anything close to a remake. it reminds me of terminator genesys. it starts out like the amazing original movie but it turns into something much different and much worse.
i never played it and this video makes me glad. i already knew before it even released that nomura would likely ruin it just like kh3.
Dude, thank you so much for this vid. It took me multiple watches to see the full 2 hours and was worth every second. You point out so many of the same angry gripes I have with FF7R. I feel see sad for people that never played OG7, had heard all the hype for years, played this and just ask "THIS is the game believe by millions??? This is the 2nd best selling game on PS1??? This?!"
For every good aspect, SE and specifically Nomura, took 5 steps back. Like you, I'm not interested in any more...
I was really upset about the prison doors not being opened and the blood being everywhere. That was one of my favorite scenes from midgar
Did you not finish the game? The Remake is not telling the same story as the original. There are story-related reasons the things you mentioned did not happen.
@@cloudshad0ws It's a pathetic version of the original. Story wise. It is untalented people stealing genius storytelling and tainting it. If they wanted to be creative, why didn't they just make a new game? Answer they are untalented game story developers who aren't creatively exceptional.
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@@Musician7831 Exactly right. The "remake" is the product of money-grubbing suits and talentless bottom feeders on a power trip. Nomura is a hack. He shouldn't be allowed to do anything but eat, sleep, shit and draw little stick men, because that's all he's good for. It's a case of profit first, profit second, profit third, and artistic achievement last. And guys like Nomura get to pat themselves on the back in their corporate sanctioned, ego-driven echo chambers.
@@Musician7831 nah it was a coo story. Kind of boring in spots but the prison esape scene was such a dope scene that i thought could give great nostalgia
I was one of the non-ff players that thought that this was a full remake, and was surprised to know that The story wasn't complete.
However, this game gave me interest for the Final Fantasy games, and I went yo play the original FF7 after playing The remake.
This game made me a fan of the series, and I'm thankful for that, because I nevera would've played the OG FF7 if it wasn't for this one. And I'm sure that I'm not the only one.
Thats actually nice to hear. But imagine you could just play a true remake and not have to play a 25y old game after paying 70$ for a "remake"
@@wernerziegler5919 What ?? The original game is still better.
@@Preceyese-Seyeght uhh ok?! Did i say something different?
@@wernerziegler5919 "imagine you could just play a true remake and not to have to play a 25 year old game"
Read between the phuckin lines. Also there will be never a TRUE REMAKE of anything. Changes will always be the case. People still should play the original game before a remake. Even if they made an 1 to 1 copy with bad a$$ graphics.
@@Preceyese-Seyeght dude are u shizophrenic or what is your fkn problem? I never said this trash remake is better than the original get a doctor u need serious help
Thank you for this video.
Tifa‘s desperation before the plate came down felt very real. It gave it a lot of gravity.
And then that gravity is taken away when you go back to Sector 7 and find out it's just a bit messy and basically everyone's just fine
Yup, unfortunately so.
Cloud throws the switch to move the train and she smiles at him like, "good job... cmon, let's go!"
Then a helicopter flies overhead, and WAIT! Omg, the towers under attack... cmon, let's go! You run down a small alley and OMG, she grabs the fence... the towers under attack! This is bad... cmon, let's go! You run up to the base and WAIT! Omg, the towers under attack... this is terrible. Cmon, let's go! You get the first group of people and OMG, this is terrible. The towers under attack and people hurt.............
God I hated that fucking section so much.
Get it, gravity
Me too. With a passion.
"None of these rumors are true and even tough the world expected us to bring Aerith back to life - we did not. We had decided this from the beginning and did not want to include the cliches of undoing meaningful deaths" - Nomura on old rumors about having Aerith back in party after her death
Imagine believing Nomura after "Final Fantasy characters are useless in Kingdom Hearts so they won't return, anyway, pay for the DLC if you wanna see them again" lmao
@@Peasham yooooo wtf lmao
@@stevenhousley819 I wish I was joking but he had an interview, either before or after KH3 came out, where he said that he won't be putting FF characters into KH anymore because they don't serve the story... and then they were in the ReMind KH3 DLC. Like he didn't need to do that interview, it didn't promote the game in any positive way, it was just a lie, and the ReMind DLC was basically just cut content so he knew what was up, nowadays DLC is planned years in advance.
And guess what? He said they're not gonna use FF characters in KH4 anyway. Lol. Lmao, even.
@@Peasham Honestly final fantasy characters do not even do anything in the kingdom hearts main story line only final fantasy characters in KH1 gave back story that was it beyond KH1 they get to do nothing else besides fight fodder enemies . any ways did Leon or cloud fight Ansem the heartless in the final battle in the first Kingdom hearts game, Did Cloud or sephiroth fight against Xemnas in the final battle of Kingdom Hearts 2.non of the final fantasy characters appearing in Kingdom hearts games have nothing to do with its main Keyblade lore either so that's why final fantasy characters are obsolete now since none of them can use a Keyblade yes no keyblade user final fantasy character means the final fantasy cameo characters can do nothing plot wise. The final fantasy characters in Kingdom hearts are used for fan service fights that's it. remember cloud said he does not give a care about Xemnas or Ansem and Xehanort in KH2 this only exemplifies on why final fantasy characters are used for fan service fight affairs since the world building of Kingdom hearts franchise now is only about the keyblade mythos this keyblade mythos does not resolve around the final fantasy characters at all. Does cloud strife in kingdom hearts have a Keyblade wielding ancestor in kingdom hearts "no he does not" so cloud is not important to the lore or plot of kingdom hearts. Call me when cloud, Tifa,Sephiroth,and Aerith get to beat Ansem's heartless,Xemnas and Xehanort when they appeared in all those kingdom hearts games since the final fantasy characters lack a keyblade to be a main hero they will continue to be side lined as fan service fights and this is done on purpose to focus on sora and his friends or other Keyblade wielders.
@@1BadAssArchAngelvs14 Bitch, call me when Disney offers anything to the plot lmao, 90% of KH3 was entirely irrelevant to the plot, yet it happened anyway.
You're also still acting as though he didn't add FF characters into KH3 in the DLC after saying he wouldn't, and he's gonna do it again.
I just realized something. You ever have someone tell you. "OMG you MUST see this movie. It's amazing. I've seen it 100 times. I'll watch it with you. I'm so excited that you're about to watch this film. It is so good." So you proceed to watch this movie that your friend just hyped up. And as you proceed to watch it with him, he starts talking throughout the movie... "That girl.. She's not really in love with him. She's a secret agent trying to get info but you'll find out later. Oh... and that guy who walked into the room. He's about to kill her." And you're like, "Dude shut up and let me watch the movie. You're spoiling it." Your friend responds "Sure no prob. Just keep watching. It's a great film. OMG! This guy's best friend. He's actually working for the enemy. You'll find out at the end when he turns on him and tries to assassinate him. It's gonna be crazy!" That is what this game was like.
Underrated comment. That’s the best way to describe this game holy wow.
i hate the remake cause im playing the original ffvii, but i dont get this comment. Is it bcause sephiroth always apperead every second in remake? lmao
@@Secretxxx67 Game: OMG. Sephiroth is like such an awesome character. He's like responsible for controlling Jenova and for all this shit. You'll find out soon. Keep playing. Player: Stop spoiling it. He's not supposed to be here now! Game: Yeah. I know but I'm so excited I just want to show you. Hey... let me show you what will happen 100 hours from now. Player: No! Let me play! Game: ok ok. But I have a surprise for you. I'm so excited. You know Aerith the girl you just met who seems like just a pretty flower girl? Player: No. Shut up shut up shut up. Let me play. Game: ok ok. I hear ya... "SHE'S GONNA DIE!" It's gonna be sad and cloud will cry and he's gonna be in love with her. Player; STOP SPOILING THE GAME ! Game: I'm just saying that Cloud is a flawed hero and you can't blame him because of what happened at Nibelheim with that fire that you'll find out about later. The fire that killed everyone and is now haunting him. It's so tragic. Player: I don't want to know that yet! Game: This is gonna be so cool. I can't wait for you to play the rest of the game. Wait til you meet CaitSith, the cat being controlled by Reeve. Look at him so sad at the top of the building. And then Zack the guy who was supposed to be killed. He is really gonna be important but now he's alive. Oh he is Aerith's boyfriend.... AWKWARD! Player: I'm done!
@@rudeboyrg AYO WTF? They showed that aerith gonna die in remake? Zack also still alive?
@@rudeboyrg omg i just searched about it and saw cloud n friends fighting something and caught glimpse of "future" from strings of "streams"
How tf this is a REMAKE (even its in the title) if the story different from the original and even able to give a glimpse of other franchises (advent children's glimpse). Hironobu sakaguchi, the original story writer for FF series wasnt working on this remake lmao, they really destorying his legacy. But it seems most people enjoyed it, must be bcause graphics
FF7:R
"putting the Mid in Midgar"
Can't believe how well you captured everything I was thinking about this "Remake" but didn't have the ability to articulate. Thank you!
I lost it at Aerith's "gamer girl time knowledge" lmao
The thing that highlights the problem with the changes to the plot the most is the "whisper fate ghosts" themselves. It highlights the attitude of the creators when it comes to making a faithful remake. They straight up trolled the fans by having the ghosts blatantly show how they saw the fans that wanted a faithfull retelling of the story as "getting in their way."
Yeah I didn't like that at all. It was so obvious what the ghosts represented and felt like a slap in the face. I mean. We are the ones that bought the damn game and gave them their money I think it's fair for us to have a damn opinion.
@@XionosOrigin It says significantly more about you than it does about the game if you felt insulted by the game attempting to do something original with a story that is literally 25 years old
people really wouldn’t be so hostile to critique like this if people like you didn’t coat it in so many layers of hyperbolic victimhood nonsense. Calling a game so clearly crafted with love and care to the original game a “slap to the face” because of some story decisions is over-dramatic nonsense. Want people to respect your opinion? Drop that shit.
@@supermutantsam1160 hmmm..... I have to say, I neither got the vibe that this game respected the original. It appeared very corporate in its approach, albeit very competent. Though I wouldn't say it tried to disrespect the fans.
@@UnicornStorm We must have played different games. Although really, this whole “feels corporate/honest” point is incredibly subjective.
I feel that it’s honest because the music did not have to be so good (seriously, that tease with JENOVA Quickening was awesome); they really could’ve kept the story the same while still stretching it out to three parts, but SE take an extra mile to change it up to keep a sense of ‘mystery’ even if we the fans should already know how FF7 goes. And speaking of SE, if they were some other company like Konami they would’ve allowed whatever mid level product CyberConnect2 would’ve put out, but they actively chose to redo it in-house because they were not satisfied with what was done.
@@lefthandrule638 of course its subjective, we will never know what was going on in their heads when they made that game.
What you call going the extra mile, I call unnecessary inclusions, what you call keeping a sense of mystery, I call blatant fanservice.
The music is great, of course, but why did they need to include sephiroths chorus into the opening theme, why has the wall market theme a completely different feel to it.
And I'd say its only natural for a big developer (and publisher) to be very protective of their golden goose.
At the end of the day, this IS a very good game I got a lot of enjoyment out.... that in many moments felt like a nomura-esque fanfiction for Final Fantasy VII.... which it kinda is
Loved the video. I pretty much agree on all fronts. I still would have preferred the old combat but when I played back in 2020 I kept thinking…wow I don’t remember this happening at all I. Regards to so much Sephiroth in midgar. Now I see why I had that memory. Have t played the proper game since 98 but wow does this really draw out my thoughts on the tedium and the weird. Story beats excellently. Well done
This is so funny, thanks for making this x)
Thanks for putting this together @JebTube. After beating the re-make I was left feeling empty, and I think many of the points you mentioned in the video help describe why I feel that way.
"They can't recreate that now since he's basically been our 5th party member." 😂😂😂
Ill never get over them blowing the sephiroth load so early, so recklessly. Even as i play rebirth right now, it really bothers me..
That board room meeting was top tier
This remake has the same problem of Hollywood's modern reboots/sequels/ prequel, which is that EVERY single detail about the original has to be glorified and reverenced. When Cloud meets Aeris for the first time in the original, it was a nice and mundane event, and it was a surprise to meet her later. But now evertthing has to be multiplied by 1000, it has to be ghosts and emotional speeches... One thing I hate some FF writers is that they has no sense of subtlety and nuance.
100% it’s like cordial without water in it. There’s no semblance of balance everything needs to have more sugar in it
Japanese in general don't have a sense for nuance, because they like when people explain things to them
You realize its because this is a sequel and those things are there for a reason. And its highlighted for a reason right
@@jacquegusto4038 Think you need to look up what a sequel is in the dictionary. It's a *R E M A K E*
@@aerfwefd7334 “Remake”, as in, remaking the timeline. It’s not the same timeline.
Revisiting this video because its one of my favorite critiques on TH-cam. Great job, Jeb.
With the release of the remake of Super Mario RPG, two things have been proven in response to FF7R; 1.People want and love shot-for-shot remakes and 2. Square actually has the restraint to make a faithful remake and enhance it to modern standards without relying on "subversion" to make it successful. Square, you see what you did with MRPG? Thats what people wanted with FF7!
Speak for yourself. Some people don’t want the exact same shit they’ve experienced a thousand times before.
@@sora8480 I am speaking for myself.
@@sora8480 what did you think I was doing?
Nier Replicant it's a perfect example of a good remake, cause improved visually every aspect of the former and tweaked the gameplay talking out most of the jank the original had, while mantaining the unique moments, twists and dialogues and overall charm of the original, extending and improving bits or the story and lore, they didnt do a frankestein that navigated in an episodic mess between remake/remaster/sequel/reboot
Game Theory 7, Ad revenue children was a sick line.
This video made me feel heard. Thank you for this 🙂
There's one thing I really despise in this game over all the other bullshit. It doesn't get the Cloud vs. Sephiroth conflict. Sephiroth doesn't give a shit about Cloud (at least in FF7). This whole "we are eternally connected. I am your darkness. Our battle is destiny" shtick is something Nomura misinterpreted or shoehorned in cuz' he thinks it's cool. In FF7, Sephiroth just wants the Black Materia. That's it. Once he gets it in disc 2, he leaves the party alone until the final battle. All along, Sephiroth was only using Cloud because he had Jenova cells that could be manipulated. For all we know, Sephiroth pulled the mind-screwing bit on all the clones. Cloud just happened to be the puppet that got the materia for him.
This game is not a remake. Like you said in the end, it's a sequel. The events of FF7 have already happened in this game's narrative. This kills the whole theme of how loss shapes a person's identity and replaces it with a generic "we will fight fate and make our own future" message. Holy Shit Materia, this game sucks...
@@Soniman001 Notice, that I was talking about Nomura's interpretation of Cloud vs. Sephiroth in the original FF7. You know, the one where Nomura wasn't the director/writer. The one involving the OG Sephiroth. It was the compilation stuff you mentioned that brought about the exact thing I'm talking about. It wasn't in FF7 because it wasn't the point. Like I said, once Sephiroth got what he wanted, he doesn't interact with the party until they come bashing in his front door for the final fight (even when Cloud and Tifa were spending some time alone by said door). He used Cloud because he was useful, not because they were destined to do battle eternally. Sephiroth doesn't care. That's what the shitty argument is.
So true. It amazes me that Nomura and Kitase literally helped make the original game and yet they don't really understand all the undertones and subtleties. Or they do and don't give a crap cuz they have to 'sUBvErt ExPEctAtIoNs'.
Insert: "The Office - Michael Scott - THANK YOU!" gif here.
I can't properly express in words how grateful i am that you took it upon yourself to create a review, as long as a full movie, about the many horrors of this game.
Sure, it has MANY great qualities as well, but the opportunity we've lost here is just TRAGIC.
And for what?
For constant stream of fan service?
So the game can shove literal ghosts in the machine to kill/save people, rendering our actions and choices as the characters meaningless?
Why did we even bother defend ourselves in any of the game's fights if the ghosts would just keep all of us "important" people alive anyway?
This game.. just makes me angry, and so sad.
And you articulating all of this actually helps.
So again, thank you for this.
1:20:47 I absolutely loved your board meeting “remake” of Square Enix’s change decisions. Absolutely hilarious. Epic content!
Considering how important death and processing that are to the original game, and considering how those themes were born from the death of Hironobu Sakaguchi's mother, and how the game as a whole was essentially a memorial to her as well as Sakaguchi's way of processing his loss, isn't it a bit insulting that Aerith and Zack survive almost purely for fan-service and "subversion" of expectations?
You're right the game is about these themes. Both the og n the sequel are. Sephiroth also cannot deal with death, endings and loss, therefore he is doing what he is doing in the sequel. He is trying to defy destiny rather to internaly process and accept what happened. It's not just about him as well cuz at the end of ff7r he told Cloud ''I will not end and I will not let YOU end.''
Have some faith in the ff7r team. And it's also 1 game of out of a trilogy. It's way to early to cast these games aside as merely ''fan-service''.
@@themon1100 Then it's just fucked that they're marketing this faux-sequel as a "remake".
I don't have faith in the team because they've given me no reason to have faith in them after how abysmally confused Remake was.
They will probably just kill Tifa instead.
Zack doesn't survive, you're seeing him in a different timeline. This is simply a tease for new players like they did at the end of kingdom hearts 2, teasing the heroes from birth by sleep (the prequel) and even IF I'm wrong, you should really wait for the sequel before assuming all these changes. Devs also confirmed that the story is going to follow its original course. This "sequel, zack is alive, anything can happen" is simply a fan theory blown out of proportion. For the "zack is alive" theory to make any sense, the game would have to be written ONLY for people who have already played the original, which is obviously not the case. The only way this could be "fan service" is by assuming that they wrote this game exclusively for people who knows the original story while this is a remake. Please explain to me what would be the logic behind this. All the new stuff the added was to expand the Midgar section since you can't expect a full modern game with only 5 hours of story. The rest of the game is way more expensive, they don't have to add as much. The rest of disc 1 can be a game and disc 2 and 3, which are way shorter can be another. On another note, if Zack is alive, there is no story. Nothing in the remake proves he's alive. Him walking to Midgar holding Cloud is canon, he might have survived the onslaught of soldier (scene from Crisis Core) but in the OG he gets shot while holding Cloud, maybe they're mixing both, he could very well get shot later. More importantly, if he's alive, where did he drop Cloud, where is he during remake part 1. How does any of this make any sense?
@@domx7zero157 You wrote an essay over a game I couldn't give less of a fuck about.
Man, I thought I was the only one who felt this way. The whole subreddit for FF7R won't stop suckling on this games tits like it's the greatest thing ever made. I'm so sad we won't ever see a legit remake of the OG.
Anyways great video, you vindicated my feelings for this game. You got yourself a new subscriber.
Same here
well there will be at least ever crisis
i think the reason they praised it its beacuse they arent like fans of the original this is like the first completion o f7 so they dont compare it with the original when it was announced i though it was a remake but is a retelling
Ever Crisis is a literal Remake.
@@simonhanna3679 i supposed they did in order to satisfy everybody that had a problem with the game etc
I haven't played the original so I'm not sure when you actually see Sephiroth. But I'm guessing why he's mentioned and seen so much in the remake is because the game will be played in multiple parts over a decade instead of 50 hrs, and they're keeping his character relevant, and in the back of players minds, particularly for those new to the story.
Sephiroth shows up just after this in the og (tho literally only in a half hour long flashback Cloud gives the group to give context to what happened, which only raises more questions about him, he shows up "in person" quite a bit after that), he literally has zero bearing on the events that happen (and is barely mentioned), until the very end of the Midgar section, and it's supposed to be a shock. His presence (you only see the effects of his actions, taking JENOVA, killing the president, etc.) is meant to throw a wrench into the story, vastly complicating things out of nowhere with an unknown variable. Showing him all the time takes away from that.
He's a legendary war hero that supposedly died, has shown up out of nowhere, wrecked havoc against his supposed side, upending the status quo, and peaced out while clearly having some kindof agenda with some weird biological experiment Shina was apparently doing. What's his goal? Who IS this guy?
There's no need to "keep his character relevant", because he literally wasn't a character at this point in the og. Hell, during the Cloud flashback where he talks about him, Barret even asks if Sephiroth is on their side. Cause all anyone (including the audience) knows about him is "Dead war hero", outside of Cloud (whose info isn't reliable) and Tifa
Plus you're vastly underestimating the impact of "putting one of the most recognizable villains in gaming into the game" from a business standpoint. Literally the only reason to put him in here is cause he's easily marketable, and fanservice (outside of telling a terrible time travel story, which has no business being in a FF7 game)
@@Eidlones Pardon?
@@Pillock25 Hm?
@@Eidlones Don't worry just my idea of humour, like a can you repeat that after someone gives a long answer.
@@Eidlonesso much cope. you og purists really need to take a shower and get a clue. This game took 15 years from it's original teaser, and you idiots actually think Sephiroth wouldn't be in it?????? Because well he is only mentioned in the original, that means 25 years later it's totally acceptable to not have him in the game, because that's what the original was!!!! NOOOO DONT CHANGE MY HECKING FINAL FANTASY 7!!!!! AHHHH
FF7 Remake is like Hollywood: an unfaithful "remake" that looks good but is bad because of its unfaithful changes. Like Jackson's LOTR trilogy vs Rings of Power.
So damn true.
Remake is a god damn Rings of Power.
I wouldn’t go that far. There are a lot of things Remake did incredibly well. The gameplay and music is absolutely stellar. A lot of the great moments from the original story will make it through to the Remake. They fumble a lot of the most important beats, but it’s not like the whole game is a catastrophe.
Rings of Power is a catastrophe.
So often we are disappointed when games have a great concept, but flop on the execution.
FF7R is one of those rare games where the execution is actually quite impressive, but the failure of the concept tears the whole thing down.
You are spot on with everything.
The concept isn’t a failure when the story isn’t finished yet.
@@guyc1479 sorry, but if I need to play multiple full-length games in order to start appreciating the story, I would call that a failure. The butchering of sephiroth's arc and impact is particularly egregious.
@@a1be31s8x9 the story isn’t done, so that makes little sense. His impact was actually built up and expanded. I get it, it’s not a point to point remake. But to call it a failure when the story isn’t completed yet is disingenuous
@@guyc1479 that's like saying you're not allowed to dislike Star wars episode 1 when it came out because the story wasn't done yet. That's a ridiculous standard.
@@a1be31s8x9 No it isn’t. Because some shows have a slow build that picks up throughout the season. Some of the most classic films have a slow start. FF7 remake’s concept is a continuation of the original and avent children.
What I just cannot wrap my head around involving discussions of this game is how all of the different ways that the Remake paints the OG as a "restriction" or "failure" or something to be defeated, and even the Whispers potentially representing the fans of the OG, are all extremely passive-aggressive and insulting jabs at the fans of the OG, but the minute those OG fans criticize the Remake about that or even anything else, oh, now all of a sudden people are complaining about "hate". Yeah OK, whatever. Guess the "hate" doesn't matter if it's coming from a multi-billion dollar corporation?
Also there is nothing wrong with wanting a beat-for-beat remake of a video game with updated graphics and some added little tidbits to better flesh out some things like cut content. Nothing! Why is that seen as a forbidden taboo? There is no harm in fleshing out older video games with updated aspects as long as your not trying to ruin or get rid of the original. People are probably worried about it becoming like the recent trend of stale and forgettable remakes, but Final Fantasy VII is a very special case in regards to remakes. It came out during the perfect time to not have very polished polygonal graphics, and a battle system that was standard for JRPGs of the time, but it was still advanced enough to be considered a top dog in gaming at the time. Remaking it so that the OG fans are happy and new fans can still have fun with it in a newer style seems so simple to me, and it's not like Square Enix doesn't have the money to do that.
Edit: For the record I never really felt like I needed this game to be remade at all imo. I know that's pretty subjective but I love the OG game as it is.
@@torchlight3173 Yea, I hear ya. I mean look at the Live-A-Live remake, too. No one complained about that, old fans loved it, the remake re-vamped the graphics in a style that suits the original vision, added in really high-quality voice acting, and added a new secret final boss that actually adds more to the story and character arc of one of the characters. It is an exceptional example of a remake done right. Or even SaGa Frontier remastered, where they re-added a previously cut scenario. Stuff like that, I'm positive, is all Final Fantasy VII fans wanted from the remake, and maybe we'll get that with Ever Crisis at least, but then again I recently learned Ever Crisis is going to have freaking loot boxes. I really do hate the modern gaming industry. This is why I tend to stick to retro games.
I take a break at 12 minutes after you said everything I thought about how this game used Sephiroth.
I still have the original game and the fact that even in the manual you can see drawings of all character but no image for Sephiroth shows how far they went to make him looks mystery. In Shinra, you woke up in jail and you see blood everywhere and find the president dead with a big sword in the chest. When you play with him in Nibelheim memories, he's way too OP even compared to your curret level in the present.
Everything was perfect to make you feel "this guy is way too strong" ♥
I disagree I saw my older brother play this game and saw how “op” sepherioth was and during my own play through made sure I was lv 85 before I even heard tale of him, I’m confident enough to say that he and his mother stood no chance against me nor my team. Tifa and I stood by and let him kill off that crazy so called “alien” ex gf.
Aerith never had an exceptional ultimate weapon that was endgame worthy so we as team decided she wasn’t worthy.
Seems a lot of people are missing the fact this is a sequel disguised as a remake. FF7 already happened.
@@I-HAVE-A-BOMB why the fuck name it remake then. It's kingdom hearts cringe shoved into FF7. Sad times.
@@malango255 Because it has been remade. If it was a 1 for 1 they would just call it FF7 Part 1
@@malango255 Because it's a bait-and-switch. It makes you think its a remake of the original game, but its instead a game where the plot of the original is going to be literally "remade" into something different. Although I'm not even going to sugarcoat that it's definitely also for marketing purposes because it certainly got a lot of people unfamiliar with FF7 into the game since they thought it was just the original game and not some alternate-timeline-sequel nonsense.
FF7R writers: "Hey you know one of the most iconic moments in gaming history? Well let's undo it!" 🤪
I feel you, when it comes to the filler. FFVIIR did not need to be as long as it was, and some chapters simply were not necessary. That said, it has some of the highest high points I've played and seen in modern triple-A games. I'm always revisiting them either through individual chapter play sessions, or online videos to have on while I work. I really love this game a lot, and I'm sorry the admittedly clumsy new story stuff did so much damage to it, for you. I don't agree at all that the devs didn't start the project with a long-term plan, and I'm pretty excited to see how the now-confirmed trilogy plays out. Always cool to hear other perspectives, though.
what are the high points for you? curious :)
@@mabonman Everything in Chapters 1 and 4, the first half of Chapter 8 (the Reno battle and Cloud’s interactions with Aerith), Wall Market as a whole (best chapter in the game), the Rufus boss fight, and even the final battle against Sephiroth. The ending of the game was great, for me. Gives the feeling that we’re in for a “Rebuild of Evangelion” type of scenario with this project. True to the original, with twists and turns along the way to make the story feel fresh, all over again. At least that’s how I see it.
I would say this only for now. The neccesaty of thes chapters will propaly be explained in Rebirth
Didn’t need to be as long as it was? Really? I’d gladly take 20 more hrs of Midgar and tell myself the original didn’t need to be as short/condensed as it was
I agree with your take, there are moments in the remake i strongly appreciated despite a lot of obvious filler, high points for me were: cloud and aeris/tifa chatting scenes which felt in character (unlike advent children), aeris sensing death vision (reminiscent of yuna), barret reassuring marlene before heading to shinra building, the vr simulation was awesome, i liked the goofiness of yuffie, cloud's general dorkiness, the detailed expansion of the slums etc. I still prefer the original (played it back in 1999-2000) and think its perfect in terms of pacing and tone, but i appreciate the remake's experimentation, i even forgave them for the harry potter dementors which i originally hated
Tetsuya Nomura seems like the Kanye of Square and jrpg development, where he thinks he's some kind of genius, thinks too highly of himself, and everything he comes up with and creates is game development gold
I am not sure who was responsible for recent FF titles in general (like FFXV), because they all seem to shoot themselves in the foot towards the end. It's like they cannot allow themselves to have a simple and smart ending without time travel, etc. FFXV's ending was tragic, but it was extremely abrupt (it felt like the half-way point of the story), so maybe the KH3 and FFVII are trying to overcompensate with fan service, time travel and trying to save everyone. What made FFVII impactful were the unforseen tragedies, but the players had to move on.
And now he's bound and determined to make his XIII Versus series. What are the chances it is going to make up for at least FFXV?
Except kanye is actually good. But hey he said some whack shit therefore he's never been good ever lol
I like how you all blame Nomura when he wasn’t even involved with the story
Nah, it's Kojima
In both games, sephiroth is the final boss and you beat him both times. Why should you fear him? Why should any of the party be afraid when hes om screen? Youve literally beaten him every single time youve fought him and suffered no casulties. Theres no fear of losing, theres no fear at all because youve beaten him while hes had god tier powers when youre supposed to be weaker than the flashback version. They completely ruin him as a villain because youve never lost against him.
After seeing the ending to FF7 Rebirth, I’d LOVE if you did another video on that. Nomura & Kitase have given you plenty of changes to complain about in the second game, but man you’d be so angry about that final boss. That’s why we need you to do another analysis for Rebirth!
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!! This is what I've saying for two years now! You just did in such a much more elegant and thoughtful way! You just earned yourself a new sub!
I've been saying it since day one and all I get is people defending the remake with stupid arguments like "go play the original" (that defeats the whole purpose of wanting a remake for years), "what are you talking about? it has some different details, a remake doesn't have to be identical" (it's not just details, and it's not a remake, it's a sequel!! an alternate timeline soft reboot thing that requieres you to know the original, again defeating the purpose of a remake), or even worse, not a month goes by without arguing on some comment with somebody that says "what are you talking about?, it's the same!".
aaaaargh!. it's so frustrating.
all they had to do was "ff7 with better graphics", people wanted it, people bought it thinking it was that, nobody say "I HOPE WE GET A SOFT REBOOT ALTERNATE TIMELINE SEQUEL WHERE THE CHANGE DESTINY!!".
now we'll never get a true remake.
Given how popular this game is (FF7R), you are probably going to get a lot of crap spewed your way for what you express in this video. But it's an important video to make given how far the story of this game strays from the source material.
I was fine with updates to the presentation and gameplay, but when they changed the story into a "Actually it's kind of a sequel, sort of" they lost me.
And to anyone who says "You just wanted a 1 for 1 Remaster with no story changes"... Well, yeah. That's exactly what was advertised and what most people thought it would be when it was revealed.
Do you really think that when they officially announced the game at E3 that the crowd was going crazy for the possibility that it could be a sequel or alternate timeline of FF7? Especially after how the Compilation was received in general? No, everyone was hoping for a graphically updated and modernized version of the same classic story. If you're happy how FF7R turned out that's fine. But don't act like those who expected an accurate retelling of the original are foolish for being disappointed.
Exactly , well said.
This!^^^^^^
despite me loving remake alot, thats the one thing that pissed me off, that they advertised it to be a full remake and not change the story, and then it turns out they changed the story. I mean me personally it annoyed me a lil but i still enjoyed it, but what pissed me off was that they were not being genuine and it was a slap in the face to the og fans
Completely agree with you, they fucked up advertising this game, so people that wanted the full game have a right to be disappointed
Just to play devils advocate here:
1) Could it be worth subverting the idea of a complete remake to catch the player off guard and add something new to the story?
2) at the level of design they incorporated, could a complete 1 for 1 remake feasibly fit in one complete game? But I I suppose they could make a 3 discount, 120 hour version, just take more time.
I agree.
The Ever Crisis app is basically the true remake to the game. It actually sticks to the story as it was.
As someone who never played the original, seeing Sephiroth throughout this game was great. Like I'd heard of him and I wanted to see him and I got to see him so it was satisfying to me!
it ruins it tho he was more of a legend in the real game, you think he's dead til near the end in the original, til they find his body in crystal in the northern crater so hes not even meant to be in the next part all you see is the destruction he leaves in his wake, he's a lame kh / bond villain now n gay for cloud, even tho he barely knows him in the original game, cloud was a no name grunt who overpowered him in his anger at him attacking his village
not to mention hes stupid he wants to destroy the planet and can time travel, he knows about zacks time line n for some reason don't just go there n win, he got to steal the plot from ff8..... one alot of people don't like because of the story....
As someone who never knew about prior to my first playthrough of the original game, the gradual buildup and mystique was considerably more interesting and seeing him in the flesh seemingly out of nowhere was genuinely quite scary. Remake blows its load several hours before it should, ruining what previously worked so beautifully.
I was 12 when FFVII came out, it quickly rose to become one of my favorite games of all time. I've played it many times over, and knowing what happens in the story didn't affect my enjoyment of any subsequent playthroughs nor did it affect my excitement for getting a modern remake. There was a reason FFVII was as popular as it was compared to all the other JRPG's of the time. It had an easy to follow story with great pacing. It had a fantastic villain who was masterfully introduced. The majority of the main characters were well-rounded, relatable and their reasons/motivations for being in the story were clearly understood. The music was fantastic.
It's blows my mind how they have managed to almost destroy every aspect of what made FFVII the stand-out game that it was and they haven't even finished yet. I really enjoyed the video, you've managed to articulate almost everything I felt about the remake. Got yourself a new subscriber 👍
naw they made it better you just lack creativity and an innovative mind.
@@lordblazer hahaha 🤣
@@lordblazer Gotta stop eating the glue during art hour, buddy.
@@lordblazer spoken like a brain dead stockholmed troll. Your single brain cell lonely yet?
I remember the enigmatic figure of Sephiroth in the original game, hearing about him and not getting to see him until Cloud’s story in Kalm. I even remember that every character had a short bio and picture in the instruction manual, except Sephiroth!
Yeah he had like a photo or sum
@@raldux9153 He has a bio with many unknown facts about him but no picture. Once again, this makes him very mysterious! Here you have the manual (page 6) archive.org/details/sces-00900-spain-manual_RAW/SCES-00900-%28Spain%29-M005.jpg
The FF7 Remake tends to forget about one crucial thing in storytelling…
*Pacing*
The moment you run into the snake and find it impaled, youre like ooohhhh shit... sephiroth is powerful.
Yeah but also to be fair you can no longer treat Sephirot as a mystery anymore. Hell he might be the fricking Mickey Mouse of the Final Fantasy franchise. I didn't even play the original and still have his image and theme ingrained in my brain.
You are a master of this format. Deserve way more views, holy f9ck
He creates ragebait for the worst type of gamers
Yeah, FF7R isn't a remake, its a straight up sequel. The bait and switch was real.
The remake is great when it’s touching up the beats of the original. When it does it’s own thing is where it falls flat. My absolute favorite part of the game is when you climb up the Sector 7 pillar. They took a short 5 minute tops climb around the spiral staircase with a few random encounters thrown in and turned it into 20 minute long epic struggle to the top, with the Turks following you in a helicopter, shooting at you the entire time, and mocking you. Absolutely phenomenal. If the game did more stuff like that and less stuff like padding with side quests, bringing in story content too early, and shoving in badly written Nomura OCs, it would’ve been a lot better.
The remake was horrible
Jesus Christ, the padding is awful, what is wrong with you
Which is literally 99.9% of the time lmao!
@@thelastofitskind3034 only to those who know about the original
@@mohabalserafe3795 I didnt play or knew about the original and I think the remake is trash
I played the remake when it came out and was disappointed with the final plot. I didn't play the og, so, I didn't understand what was going on. Overall, the game has its flaws, but I still loved a lot of it's details and characters. But that final just ruined everything. I just didn't understand why I was fighting Sephiroth, why this was important and why Aerith was being so weird all of sudden. Who is Zack? Why they left? Naturally, I had to search the og plot and the theories.
The point is, being a remake, a sequel or even trying to do new stuff isn't even the bad part about this game. It's the WRITING, the pacing and the narrative. The game tries too much to be cool and misterious about this new course, and fails to empathize the player with the final plot. They could have done the same story, but if it was truly intentional and clear since the beginning, showing us what Aerith knows and thus making the game be about her (and Sephiroth's) attempt to change the future, fine! Great! Just make a good writing about it. Make a good story.
So, the problem does not rely on the changes they made, but on the executives trying to make this game a remake and a sequel at the same time, and failing on both.
Reading your comment confirmed one of my big story gripes.
I grew up with the original and, beside my personal disappointment in the direction they chose to go, I wondered how the story would even land with newcomers since a lot of the new plot points lose most of their weight if you don't already know what happened in the original. It seems like the writers are kind of exploiting the original story and it's legacy to subvert expectations but not considering that it doesn't necessarily make a ton of sense at face value how they went about it.
Either way, to your point, they missed the mark story wise with probably most of fans of the original by trying to create a completely new story experience and then didn't manage to make that experience fully enjoyable for newcomers either because the story relies so heavily on gamers having played or at least watched the original story which shouldn't be a requirement for a "remake."
It's basically a Frankestein that surfs between remake, reboot, and a sequel and like You said it doesnt do any of that remotely good, this Game screams "development hell" and sudden changes as time goes on
@@diegosotomiranda4107 And in addition, you have people who defend this game saying that this is "what a remake is". Um, what? If I want something that is considered old remade, or restored, I don't want an old chair turned into a footstool, which it seems like this game does. It is not good game design to require new players to have played the old version of the game you're supposedly "remaking".
Yeah, Nomura "Kingdom Hearts-ified" the remake. There's just too much "FF7ness" in the original, y'know? Gotta make it a convoluted shitshow and drag the game out to like 10 discs.
I mean, you nailed it on the head. The remake doesn't stand on its own. How is this a remake?
Thank you for beautifully articulating what many people intuitively knew about Squenix's fateful FF7 attempt back when the game was first announced.
I highly recommend playing the orginal ff7 with the echo-s voice acting mod. The actors bring a very similar feel to the cast of the 7 remake without the remake nonsense. Their are visual mods if wanna upgraded visual experience as well.
Thank you!
@@BeatVids you're welcome. Happy gaming.
I dunno, I think Cloud sounds really off. Because of that I decided to forgo using Echo-S & went for New Threat instead.
@@Edmund_Christo
Thanks for pointing it out, I'll try both!
@@Edmund_Christo fair point I personally prefer echo but to each their own. But we can all agree these mods makes ff7 way better. Happy gaming.
Different does not automatically make something good. Different does not automatically make something bad.
The only thing different automatically makes something is different. Different will always be divisive.
The internet blowing up about Zack’s change in Voice Actor has made me think of Justin Cook’s Yusuke. Justin Cook’s rendition of Yuske Urameshi is different than Nozomu Sasaki’s, and I love him for it. Cook-ske is my favorite Yusuke, the character it makes is this distinct hard-boy but also soft-boy that is really hard on the outside but trying to fingers out the inside because of the light swears, sarcastic quips, basic slang, and how the emotional lines can somehow convey that this is a kid who has no idea what he's doing with whatever emotion is at hand. I love this character because of what Cook brings to it creates a character that I love. Sasaki’s Yusuke still reflects this character too, but differently. It hits different. So much that I find it hard to watch the sub - not because it’s bad or I don’t like it, but when I do I’m missing Cook-ske.
If we didn’t have “different” I wouldn’t have Justin Cook’s Yusuke.
Take that logic and throw it out the window because now we get to the Poltergeist Report movie dub. Something I was so excited to find out existed because it meant more adventures with the cast I loved. Then finding out Dub Yusuke was different was low stakes-horrifying and I dropped the movie. Because it was different and I wanted, hoped and prayed Funi would license a redub. Different was the last thing I wanted, and now I couldn’t have more adventures with Cook-ske.
FF7:R is different. FF7:R it was destined to be divisive from the moment it was conceived.
Lot of words to say absolutely nothing
@@sparxskywriter2589easy way of saying you didn't bother to read the comment...
Considering the trick you could use to swap discs and continue the story if the game froze, usually because of scratches on it's surface, the entire game was on all three discs. What differed was which animated cutscenes there were. Those are what was taking so much space and needed more than one disc.
On the whole resurrections plot, Aerith (and Sephiroth to an extent), to me, gives off the vibe not of someone that can see the future but of someone who's been there before. Like she literally played this part before.
I actually had to use this back in '97, as all three copies I bought had an unreadable Disc 1. Since Walmart wouldn't take the defective product back the third time, I tried swapping Disc 1 out for Disc 2 when immediately prompted for Disc 1 after selecting New Game.
I mean it’s literally in the title “re-make”.
@@DDRFaQ some people call it a remake outhers call it a reimagining . overall i thought it it was a very good game. hopfull part 2 with a Simi open would is even better and maybe they take some criticism into mind but on the hole sticking too their vision of what they want after all they are the ones making the game.
I’m just commenting to say how now I’m gonna be thinking about how the game was on all 3 discs. My brothers didn’t get the game until I was 4. I remember that bulky case and forever thinking disc 1 is part 1. I got the game on the switch so I never had to deal with switching discs. I learned something new today lol 🙊
@@supersaiyaman11589 I mean, remake fits as the very definition of remake is also that someone is made differently lol
It’s literally the plot to terminator one. Kyle explains to the cops that the humans had already won the war and it was over but the machines, in a last ditch effort had a secret time device to go back and give themselves one more chance.
After playing rebirth I’d happily like to report the accuracy
Yeah Rebirth sucks
The biggest issue is how these days you can't seem to criticize something popular without being called a hater, or people dismissing your criticisms just because they weren't bothered by what bothered you, FF7R was no different about this
Very interesting thing to say to a video called “How the Remake Betrayed Us”. Is it that hard to interpret that as more hate than legit criticism? Really?
100% agree it is my personally belief that nothing or nobody is above criticism not even god himself.
@@minecraftgravityguy Not as hard as watching the actual video, apparently
@@minecraftgravityguy when a remake becomes a reboot its betray, no matter how u flip it
@@minecraftgravityguy The FF7 remake was a betrayal, whether one loved or hated it. We were promised a remake, we got an alt timeline pseudo sequel that could change massive parts of the story going forward. Already has as seen with Zack surviving (and with Crisis Core Reunion confirmed to be part of the Remake project I'd bet good money that game will end with Zack surviving rather than dying in the final battle like the original CC)
The FF7 Remake was a deliberate betrayal by Square Enix. A calculated one, as the twist wouldn't work otherwise. It remains to be seen if that twist is worth it, but FF7R is a deliberate betrayal of expectations and borders on false advertising because there was no other way for that twist to work. It had to be a last minute betrayal or it would've been far too obvious. As is, plenty still figured out where the Whisper plot was going long before it was spelled out.
Simply stating that is neither hate or even criticism of the game we got. Personally loved the game, ridiculous amount of filler aside, but it absolutely was a betrayal of what we were promised and expected. It was intended to be, Square is taking a massive gamble in doing so but also showing the kind of quality writing they haven't in a very long time. They know exactly what they are doing and are showing off the quality writing to get me and a lot of skeptics to give this new timeline a chance before simply writing it off as bad. They could drop the ball hard but I haven't seen them this confident in a move in a very long time. The betrayal was essentially Square confidently saying they can do FF7 better and if nothing else I'm curious what they have in mind.
When all is said and done it could be garbage or it could surpass the original and everything in between. The one thing it absolutely will remain though is a betrayal of what was initially promised for better or worse.
This game should've been called as Rebuild of Final Fantasy VII 1.0: You Can (Not) Fight Fate
This is (Not) a Remake
@@meltedpoo0987 Look up the definition of remake chief
@@joed5150 Do you not even understand the reference? Calm down.
Take it a step further: actually get Hideaki Anno to write/direct for this. We'd be in for a truly unforgettable blast at that point.
@@joed5150 remakes have many different definitions. but the ones that would apply here are softwere remake being a clone that is made to be exactly the same as another system. and a video game remake. closely adapted from a earlier title usaually for the purpose of modernizing a game with updated graphics for newer hardware and gamplay for the contemporary audiences. Typically, a remake of such game software shares essentially the same title, fundamental gameplay concepts, and core story elements of the original game. However, some aspects of the original game may have been changed. should be noted that they changed it a bit from it always to typically. either way this game is not a remake but a sequel or a reboot but not a remake. and arpg is not even a modern style the first turn based rpg and arpg video games were released in the same year
You know, I'd give massive respect to Nomura if he went through getting all these stories out with a 'saving Aerith' undertone throughout the whole story...
....and then slaughtering her even more brutally at the beginning of the final installment
Would completely forgive my feelings towards Remake if that was the case.
I don't really think they got the characterization quite right, personally. For Cloud and Barrett, they cranked things up to anime levels, with Cloud being a jerk just way too often (he really wasn't that grumpy in the OG, that was all the compilation crap that stereotyped him that way) and Barrett being a scenery-chewing, bombastic blowhard. But for Aerith, a precocious child who learned to live in the slums and think on her feet, while still being a kind person, she's now a ridiculously saccharine-sweet personification of innocence, which just really clashes. Likewise, fat jokes about Wedge are increased exponentially and Jessie went from maybe having a little crush on Cloud to being full-blown gagging for his "buster sword", to the point of constantly trying to manipulate him and arrange alone time and drive a wedge between Cloud and Tifa. I also like how Jessie now has alot more development, and is given a tragic back story, but these two completely contradict each other; she takes up arms as a terrorist in the slums over her dad's condition, but mostly just tries to get laid? Really? Biggs is still "guy", though; he sure is a guy, who's there, existing. I think Tifa was fine, and Red 13 was fine for the 10 minutes he gets on screen and when he's not vomiting up metaphysical exposition of Nomura's insecurities. And then all the new characters are silly, one-note anime characters as well. And then there's Sephiroth; Nomura has been under the absolute delusion that Cloud and Sephiroth are some kind of "rivals" constantly in opposition, and I think he even included that in one of the Ultimanias, but no, Sephiroth, besides being a decent enough superior officer in the flashback, has never given a whit about Cloud, and Cloud never had an issue with him until, again, the Nibelheim events, in which he thought the man died until the events of the game. So Sephiroth being outright touchy-feely with Cloud, and appearing to him constantly, is just weird.
You know, I agree with every single critique in this video plus some and I still enjoyed the remake thoroughly... until the last chapter. I remember after I killed the plot ghosts thinking, "Wait, the things trying to keep the story on track were the bad guys?" and once I found out they basically represent the old fans I was like, "Wait, you had the characters kill the representation of the fans?" If that doesn't describe the state of modern gaming, I don't know what does.
Completely missing out on the point that said fans would also be bored with a 1:1 remake of the game.
Can we just trust the creative process of Squarenix they’re probably going to wow us with a conclusion that goes to show that this is another one of sephiroth’s manipulations towards cloud so that he can once again transcend death and ruin the world. Smh ungrateful gamers I swear to god…
@Zenith I think 1:1 remakes are OK depending on the age of the game. I think FF7 is old enough that 1:1 story remake would be fantastic. Getting to see the characters' subtle emotions rather than the charming but overexagerated body movements was a treat. The subtle changes were interesting. Like I said I loved the game except for the final chapter. I am cautiously optimistic for the next one.
Newer games need more changes because otherwise there's no reason to make it again, but older games are harder to get people to play simply because of the graphics.
@@zenith5048 Many people's problem isn't that it's not a 1:1 Remale. Problem is the HOW they made it different. PlotGhost is one of the most immersion breaking thing ever. It feels so unnatural like a CloudXSephi fanfic.
If the differences were because of how much more detail you can pack into the game, giving more times with the characters and have diversion come naturally it wouldn't have bothered me. The Last chapter for the game is equal for what was ME3 ending for me before Extended cut. It felt like they took a writer for wattapad who had this amazing multiple timeline mindfuck of a fanfic, and let them have a go at it. They try to have this Marvel-crossover with itself doing Avengers shenanigans and it has not worked
When the Remake deals with the OG specific themes and events it is everything I hoped it to be. The second they de-rail it (This destiny bullshit has been so overdone), is when things fall apart, and I'm not a purist. + I always found Sephiroth to be the most over-rated villian ever.
I had a friend who I back-seat gamed with. He never played OG, yet he could tell everytime the ghost's were their they felt unnatural and forced. He could surprisingly tell the padding. (Chapter 6-11 *cough*) I rather have a full-course short 8 hour journey that the unnecessary padding.
But I'm not doomer. I'll wait for Rebirth to let it determine whether or not Remake was worth it for me or not. I'm hoping they won't put contrived plot railing bullcrap like another type of plotghosts or somethings. That would be a greatest step forward.
@@ObviousHUN so you inherently didn’t understand what the arbiters of fate are and what they meant to the story.
So because the story went over your head it’s bad?
The plot ghost are a reference to us as players because we (most of us) already know what’s going to happen in the story.
It’s a metaphors for Sephiroth trying to rewrite history to give himself a favorable outcome while also still manipulating cloud to do his bidding.
I’m sorry this is too much for you to handle maybe you need to go watch a video explaining the plot.
And Sephiroth being overrated is your take, which is fair to have your own opinion, but man is it a shit one.
@@zenith5048 Wow, here I was trying to be respectful, but you go full condescending mode. Funny how it is only people who suck off the Remake who do that. (Wonder why)
Guess what? I got the metaphors, everybody did, it was so on the nose that EVERYBODY got it!
But with how you answered I doubt you came to that conclusion on your own, most likely had to be spoon fed it to you.
Since it seems you can't read and can't actually comprehend my comment, I dumb it down to your level: Fact: Ghost's are shit and the story didn't need it. They are inconsistent. One time they correct it prejudice, other time can't do sh*t (Don't say it's Sephiroth, tired of that excuse, it is shit writing plain and simple.) Characters willfully ignore the spoilers they are given. (Hojo, Deepground shit.... Really ignore it?)
Convoluted -=- Complex (See Final fantasy 13) Timeline shenanigans, is wholly unnecessary to the story. It is not a Remake, A reboot. A sequal.
Last chapter is actually shit, Rebirth will determine if I can forgive&forget the awful padding it had. Instead of sucking a game off, maybe people like you should learn to measure it. Why I couldn't take Maximillian seriously anymore with FF7 after Remake release.
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it might sound stupid, but one of my all time favorite cutscenes of all FF games (I'm including XIV btw) is the the 8ish seconds of the train going up the Midgar pillar with Anxious Heart playing in the background. an actual cutscene on the PS1 was a very rare thing and the fact that SS chose that moment to be one was very telling. it sets the tone so perfectly, and it's that kind of thing that gave each installment in the series an actual feeling and ambience that would allow you to differentiate it from the others. even after travelling around the planet, I always kept that sequence in mind, because it such an excellent way to show you the world for what it actually is.
FFVIIR doesn't try to recreate that emotial bond, it just hopes the one you had to the actual game is still intact. I think new players would not completely understand why the original was so special if they only played the remake.
I think it was playing On that day 5 Years Ago not Anxious Heart
that whole opening of ff7 until you get to seventh heaven is one of my favourite parts of any video game ever, amazing atmosphere and music
Final fantasy 7 for PS1 as a whole is such a masterpiece. I played and finished it months ago on an emulator. I still think about it to this day.
What adds to the ubderstanding is if they were with the context of the times. Unless the kid was growing uo messing with those kinds of gsmes or person. Seeing it now being surrounded by fedlity will ne a novelty indeed. However various things will apply differently. I completely get what you mean man and definatrly various games no matter how old deserve it. You can say alot of.older games are wuite better. Indie devs and passionate devs and game mods are where the best gsmes are at now
The last 2 sentences *chef’s kiss*
Thoughts now that part two is out and rocking the world? I am a huge fan of the classic (played through countless times), but this reimagined version is top shelf and made me fall in love with the story all over again.
i enjoyed this video so much i feel bad to ask you to play Rebirth so you can make another of this video 😅😂