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@@jjhova I think Destiny fans are so extreme, they are all bashing the Asian women for challenging Destiny's ideology... You all call yourselves liberal but can't take valid criticism 😆😆Isn't that hypocritical?
Destiny having to address the audience to say “fellas out there listening, if you cheat on your wife or gf she’s NOT going to find that attractive, don’t do that” while getting shouted down by all the other (male) panelists was my favorite part
@@eshaybah5581 they genuinely are. Sneako is out here acting like anything less than being Leonardo DiCaprio is a disappointment. Meanwhile huge swathes of young guys in this audience are going to struggle to get any dates or real relationships, never mind having one where they get to tell hot women that they expect them to stay home while they go out and try to get laid with other women. These guys say they're trying to help men "be better" but it's just nonesense. They're setting up a standard where most of them have to fail as a rule.
The problem I have with the whole one-sided open relationship thing, is these men want their wives to be faithful and have a low body count because a high body count lowers their value, yet they're actively lowering the value of other women by sleeping with them and contributing to hookup culture. I don't see how you can have both without being a hypocrite or at least admitting that you're contributing to the problems that you're complaining about.
Yup, listening to lots of these debates and podcasts I've realized they contradict themselves SO MUCH! They said women cheat more because it's easier yet they also say men in monogamous relationships mostly all cheat because it goes against their nature while women want monogamy. So which is it? Do women cheat more or do they want monogamy? Sneako himself admitted to catching a man doing his girl when they went to a sex party and stayed with her so he's a literal cuck saying he's a high value man who wouldn't let his girl be with other men 😂 They view all women the same because those are the only type of women they surround themselves with. Materialistic promiscuous women. There's no way they actually believe these women that are with them because of money and success are virgins. If they do, theyre dumb. They completely push away the type of women they say they want because good high value women don't want men like them. Their ideologies are WILD and massively contradict each other.
Because you are looking it at as a average man. The man that has money and status will have way more options than you. People out here just listen to how their life is but don't take a moment to see that they are talking mostly for most of high status. If you think a average man is the same as a high value man than right there is the problem. 🤷♂️
The most obvious issue with "we have all types of women on the show" is that there is one major way the show's women are skewed. Every single woman that goes on Fresh N Fit are women that would go on Fresh N Fit. There are so many types of women who would never want to be on such a show. Whether its shy women, older women, more religious women, more progressive women. This selection bias destroys Fresh N Fits argument that they cover all women.
It's what destiny and his group were trying to say. Where are these girls getting picked from? Miami or influencers. They're from all these different states but they're all going to this one place/lifestyle.
Man our luck they bring on a whole bunch of super religious women who totally back what Fresh n fit say and we find out they are all super fundamentalist Mormon women
Yeah, it's really bullshit. Actually being from Miami is barely relevant. It tells you way more about someone if they made a decision as an adult to go to Miami to live an Instagram lifestyle
I'll say this again for the 100th time; bringing girls in who happened to be born somewhere else but CHOOSE to live in Miami and embrace the culture is NOT the same thing as bringing in non Miami girls.
Its by definition that. You can argue about the type of women who choose to go to the show. But by demographic statistics individuals moving to metropolitan and core cities is a representative sample of the average millennial and younger worldwide. Unless you are talking about the underlying culture of ethnicities in said city, majority of people moving to said areas have no wildly differing culture.
@@reclassified_ It's precisely about the different underlying culture. Miami is a flashy party town full of shallow materialistic people, probably _especially_ those that _choose_ to move there. That's where the sample bias comes from.
@@reclassified_ what’s the point in being so pedantic lol. Yeah technically by definition they’re non-Miami girls because they come from a different city but the whole point of wanting ‘non-Miami’ girls is to bring girls on that aren’t a part of the Miami culture. If they choose to live in Miami then they’re not what we’re looking for.
"My girlfriend is ok with our one-sided open relationship, she just doesn't want to know or hear anything about the girls I'm sleeping on the side with." This is not someone that is ok with it lol.
@@delornegg I mean isn’t that the argument they’re presenting ? To position yourself to such a degree of leverage that the other person tolerates the BS ?
@@ggdatboi They aren't saying tolerate. They are saying they are OK or are happy with the arrangement. They aren't either of those things if given the option they'd have it another way.
Yeah, they also said girls are fine with any body count on a man when they said they didn't want to know. If you don't want to know, that, by definition, means you aren't OK with it. You're just agreeing to ignore it and not think about it.
NotSoErudite is probably the best guest they've ever had on this podcast because she is SO much smarter and more knowlegable about these things than the party girls they pull in on the regular.
But dude, they bring in SO many different types of girls, not just party girls. Ignore the fact that they're all girls who are: 1. Willing to be flown out to, or live in or around Miami after being contacted on Instagram, likely for their looks ((Although I could certainly be wrong on that part). 2. Willing to go on a famous podcast, typically to boost their careers/financial gain in some way. 3. In rare cases, girls who are going on to actually discuss the topic/engage with the ideas, like Destiny. Also Erudite and Melina, but I had to sneak in a Destiny is a girl's name joke.
She completely lost me with some of those quotes. "Women don't actually want a man with money and status." "Women will help build up a man who's not on their level."
Dude he is so far into his feminine mindset. His comments on single motherhood are so far off. Most women walk away from the father. They're not being abandoned it's the other way around
That Asian girl is such a pick me omg. You have to be a damn liar to say that women don't want to hear their man being vulnerable and sharing their problems with them. All of these people are morons except for brown leather jacket, destiny, and his wife.
The girl in the brown jacket is making so many well articulated points that are not really being addressed by the panel. The most important one was that the dating strategy proposed by Fresh and Fit is not conducive to finding a long-term partner. The strategy is only effective at helping improve a guy's chance of having sex with more girls.
@@axeledongo7846 Fresh and Fit can't attract these types of women, Hence why her perspective seemed so out of place here. I'm GLAD they finally got one of these chicks on the show to state the obvious truth.
Bro the issue is they don’t even talk to the average guy. The average guy doesn’t need a podcast for advice they give incels advice for the 1% of the 1%. Telling men that if you don’t get rich you don’t deserve a family is so toxic
A high value man is not a rich man, it's a emotionally secure and self aware man that has an understanding of the complexity that is humanity... not whatever FnF is advertising lol
@@theimmortal4718 completely agree myron to me seems like someone whos been through some kind of trauma whether it be from his childhood or his mom or maybe a woman he loved in the past and now he walks around basically putting everyone down both men and women while simultaneously trying to make it seem like men are overall better than women. He makes men seem like the biggest assholes on the planet and women are shit beneath their shoe. Men who think and talk like him clearly have insecurities or just things going on in general that made them this way. Hes not a good role model for any man. Ive heard women say that ever since their bf or husband started watching this podcast and andrew tate they changed and it made thw relationship worse. At the end of the day all myron has is money and nothing else to offer and even then a lotta women dont care about men with a ton of money. They just preach all the wrong things.
@@hg13589 I agree. He acts as if men have no agency or self control. He also presents the dichotomy in which he complains that women aren't trustworthy and are too sexually promiscuous, yet expresses the desire to sleep around with untrustworthy and promiscuous women and refuses to accept the idea that he can live without sluts in his life. He literally thinks most women have the behavior and mindset of an OF sex worker. I doubt he's spent any time with a woman he didn't meet while partying or on his podcast. Any actual high value woman would have nothing to do with him and find him repulsive. His understanding of the world is that of a middle schooler.
Notsoerudite alone brought up the average IQ by about 50 points. She was able to argue and bring up very good points by just cleverly asking questions. Impressive performance.
Was she in the brown jacket (Kyla)? Yes, she had great questions and ideas. I didn't recognize her, and I don't think she introduced herself as NotSoErudite. Thanks for pointing this out.
@@tada3399 eh, perhaps if you looked at it from a purely "if it's not completely white than its black" perspective. Whenever she brought up a point, Myron oftentimes responded with a reason or justification which tackled the issue from an entirely different dimension. And while she agreed with him on certain things, she often still remained with her orginal points. But to be honest, I consider that to be normal if you go on this podcast: if you want to be taken seriously by an audience of red pillers you need to at least acknowledge some things that they are saying otherwise the audience will just assume that you are some brainwashed sheep.
@@chocolatMouse he was impressed because he's used to bimbo onlyfans types who have less braincells than fingers. If all the women you interact with are shallow and superficial, it makes sense that you would have such a weird perception of women
Destiny is in a open relationship and his wife has yelled at him on stream for CHEATING on her, you realize this right? and whats worse Destiny acknowledged that he was cheating on his wife because he entertained relationships without her knowledge. In fact pull up his history... the dude has cheated in all of his relationships according to his current wife but he's on her espousing how true love is not cheating on your wife and only sick men do/want that.
The argument of a one sided relationship destroys itself. Not a single one of these guys would want there daughter to casually sleep with someone but if people listened to them they would eliminate the women they say they want
@@Ruba-v1i it's called being a good parent. I don't want her bedding different guys, if she can't keep a relationship what's the point of sex and dating. Also your point is? What? A relationship shouldn't be one sided. Let alone should it mainly be about sex, I don't have time to deal with my daufhters issues if her dates aren't good and if she gonna bring problems. Girls are born with value and if they don't it, they fail to understand anything. I want my daughter or daughters to preserve themselves and not be sluts. I don't need to see different guys each different day of the week or months or whatever
This felt like one actual adult talking to dudes who still havent left their college frat house days, about what a relationship actually is and is supposed to be. Big W Destiny
How can not showing your emotions be toxically masculine, if showing emotions is a feminine trait to begin with? Toxic masculinity doesn't exist because there aren't any masculine traits that are toxic. Masculinity is a positive term in its nature. Men who don't control their emotions are shooting in schools, r*pe women and children, and are violent.
@@edrickbetancourtesquilin162 The reason women are usually so awful at responding to men who show emotions is because they live and witness the same society men do and thus have that same view that 'men should not show their emotions' as a man who is not stoic is weak- its a cyclical thing. Idea that a real man is a man who is stoic and doesn't cry as emotions are for women. Men show emotions less. Man breaks down at some point. Woman is uncomfortable and thinks they're weak and not a good man. Man feels uncomfortable crying in front of people and feels less manly. Men show even less emotions. Women see men show less emotions. Cycle goes on. Also obviously this isn't about absolutely everyone, there are many women who are very good at comforting men who shoe emotions and there are many men who shows emotions. But broadly speaking... that's the core of the issue. That's where the idea of toxic masculinity comes from, it's the idea that there is a system which is toxic to men and causes harm, for example a man supressing his emotion could lead to many mental health issues and thus the suicide rate for men is very high.
This was genuinely painful to watch and I could feel myself losing braincells as the panel talked...I truly pity these people. I doubt they'll ever find true happiness
I literally had to call my husband 4 times while I watched this at work because I needed someone to restore my brain cells. This cast was a bunch of clowns.
Fresh and fit: we don’t date girls with social media but we can have it Girl: I don’t date guys with social media but I can have it. Fresh and fit: surprised piccachu face*
The more I watch Destiny in these panels, the more fascinated I get, the way he articulates his points and is able to fully speak his mind out (either you agree or disagree with said takes) whenever needed on any given topic is crazy.
I think the reason why he's so good at articulating is because he fleshes out his arguments in his head before talking, most people just say the first thing that comes up in their head.
I wish he pushed back on some more points but I understand that if you don’t pick your battles with these type of people you get labeled as someone who you can’t debate with just like Logan Paul
yeah just talks long sentences without meaning man he talks fast and confuse people but he still on the wrong side with his arguments thus making is arguments weak but with lot of words
I mean he did bring up a good point about using the word "league." It does imply that one league is better than the other. Destiny should have said something like field or interest group or whatever.
I LOVE that Destiny decided to guest in this podcast. It's so refreshing to have someone like him continuously challenge Myron's points. Plus, Destiny doesn't get offended by all the superchats and side comments. And that one woman next to MJ was KILLING it with her questions!
These dudes are highkey manipulative. There entire mindset is based on using power dynamics to satisfy their “insatiable thirst” and using massive generalizations to justify having a one sided relationship. They want a poly relationship where their women sits idly by, and obedient to their comfort zone. I only listened to clips of this podcast in the past but wow this was eye opening. People actually watch this shit on the daily, crazy.
@@diegoenrique6780 Ive been listening to this everyday and I can literally feel my brain being poisoned by the stuff they say, it's wild what they believe is traditional and polygomy💀
@@damnkevindeaderthanamf3297 no follower just a person that deals in facts instead of mental childish name calling, kinda like you just did... maybe quit defending a loser, oh wait, you are lol same boat lol
@@johncostello2519 U literally was calling people name and simp and all that. And u still are. But let it be done to u, u get emotional. Pls stfu. I defend looser, u defend Incels
The sweeping generalisations as if all men and all women are one entity and think exactly alike. The worst phrase I’ve heard is ‘women’s value on the sexual marketplace decreases after the age of 22’ Horrible way of thinking about it and blatantly untrue.
These dudes are highkey manipulative. There entire mindset is based on using power dynamics to satisfy their “insatiable thirst” and using massive generalizations to justify having a one sided relationship. They want a poly relationship where their women sits idly by, and obedient to their comfort zone. I only listened to clips of this podcast in the past but wow this was eye opening. People actually watch this shit on the daily, crazy.
"women overwhelmingly initiate divorce." One of the top reason for divorce is... infidelity, and these idiots are over here encouraging men to have one sided open relationships.
@Cristiano Ronaldo "One of the top reasons" idiot. And although financial incompatibility might be the top reason, being broke is not. It is more about disagreements on what the money is used for.
You are so right. But just to change the subject a little bit, on the left we have a lot of degenerate woketards who pressure men into dating sexual content creators (OnlyFans,Pornhub,Insta..etc) and they try to sugar coat it "Oh its just their job" just like these guys try to sugar coat their one sided open relationships with "men are like this women are like that BS"... arent they both the exact same thing? Think about it, dating a girl who does sexual content is literally being in a one sided open relationship.
@@casebased8391 but there is a BIG difference between THE TOP REASON and "one of the top" so for women, is way worse being broke than a cheater but for men its the other way around
@@railguncs Nah. There are *many* studies, and results vary slightly in each so it’s hard to pinpoint the number ONE factor. A study by the Department of Psychology at University of Denver showed infidelity contributed *more* often to divorce (59.6%) than financial problems (36.7%). What ALL these various studies had in common, however, was that infidelity was always one of the top reasons. _“so for women, is way worse being broke than a cheater but for men its the other way around”_ Yeah you just pulled this out your ass and provided *zero* stats to support this claim 😂
Going to be honest I don't really care about having a bunch of sex as a dude, sexual satisfaction just feels unimportant because I can gain it by myself. I just want a family, I want to hold my kid, I want to have someone I trust and can confide to. I don't want to be alone. Having multiple hallow sexual relationships is meaningless. I'm sure everyone, even the fresh and fit fans, deep inside themselves want the same. No one want to be alone.
And you will get none of that and you'll be sad and lonely and miserable. And end up on a TRP/Black pill forum, the ironic part is 99.98% (and i am being generous, it's actually 99.99%) of TRP were once Blue pillers who didn't get what they wanted or Hollywood sold them. What i like about Fit's mindset is, you're aiming for the stars and you might, worst case scenario land on the moon.
@@awesomepower1600 going to be real pal, you sound like your projecting on me Never been to those forums, and as far as I know they're on 4chan and are cringe. That's about it. You sound like you might've been there a few times tho. Hopefully you get better
You literally wrote a dear diary post on some random youtube video. You mention you have never been to those forums but then mention 4chan. Which is it? Make up your mind before your next med sess. Stay away from schools
I hope every person in this conversation gets to experience ACTUAL deep love and respect and attraction with a partner they are committed to. Because this is just sad. The one thing they all fight against having is the one thing that would make all these debates stop.
@@cherrrybracelets while he is out plowing another woman? You realize an open marriage is both ways, right? Y'all spend way too much time worrying about what other grown adults do in the bedroom, it's weird af
@@jaer.6540 yea sure, let’s act like this man gets any. when you have a platform & share your personal life, expect people to weigh in. just how it works.
I gotta say im a traditional conservative and there’s a lot of things I don’t like about destiny. Yet I like him a lot more than most the dudes on this panel. Guy or girl, if you think your so amazing that you don’t need to practice loyalty and fidelity to the people you claim to care about; then there is something deeply wrong with you.
Ah, god.. you have no idea how refreshing it is to see a level headed conservative in this goofy ass redpill space. Bald dude claims all his points are backed by science, but it's all just pseudo intellectual evolutionary psychology that only accounts for like 3% of behaviours. Just sooo mind numbing. Dx
@@dontajones7379politics strongly indicate your beliefs of intergendender culture. Why are you so defensive/picking a comment section fight over his received surprise?
I come from a fundamental Christian background and I’m mad on behalf of the men in my life. My dad, brothers and guy friends are fiercely loyal to their wives/girlfriends. How dare these men try to say that all men think like they do and play with women like we’re play things. Also super hypocritical to expect women stay loyal to them, have traditional values and upkeep their appearance while they get to screw around and think that they’ll still make good fathers despite being terrible people
I’m one of the girls FnF talks about constantly. Low body count, feminine, don’t post bikini pics on social media and would love to settle down. But I would never EVER date guys like them. They’re the kinds of men who expect YOU to put all the effort and don’t put the effort themselves, won’t respect you at all. I want a low key guy who would love, care and respect me. That’s all. Not a “high value guy” who constantly reminds me that he has other options. I want to be the only girl for a guy and I’ll give everything to be with him no matter what. Also, they say that once you cook and clean for the guy, and show your dedication for the guy, he’ll stick around. I’ve done that for two men. They backed out because they couldn’t match the effort that I made in the relationship.
@THE ADAM FRIEDLAND SHOW Original commenter sounds like a sweet girl. The double edge sword of being a really giving partner is people tend to misattribute your doting to them being of higher value. So regardless of whether the person is a 6 dating a 6: a 6 who gives/cares too much will make their partner assume their is an imbalance---and the partner may start to think thay they are a 7 and that the giver is a 4. Sad, but true.
@@bdonovable Thank you very much! I gave so much effort into the relationship with two men that I completely lost MYSELF. I HATE when red pill men tell me that I’m probably just a 4 or a 5 which is why men didn’t put the effort. I consider myself fairly attractive. 5’3” 110 lbs. I look very cute in dresses. But attraction shouldn’t be the sole thing as to how you treat the other person in a relationship. Attraction can develop gradually if you find that your values are similar and those relationships last so much longer than “I just wanna fuck him/her” mentalily
@THE ADAM FRIEDLAND SHOW What’s a 4 or 5 girl for you? I consider myself fairly attractive. 110 lbs, 5’3”. Let’s say I’m a 6. The first guy I dated, I wasn’t even attracted to him sexually. I considered him a 5. But I knew initial attraction means nothing. Attraction can develop slowly and a did. I went on 4 dates and realized we had so much in common. I decided to be with him because his values were so similar to mine. The second guy smoked crazy but was attractive, put a little more effort but backed out once I asked him to put more work i.e. just texting. He would say he’d come pick me up, and disappear so many times. I tried to make so many concessions but it didn’t work. It was taking a toll on my mental health. My first boyfriend treated me so well. No ulterior motives, we loved each other and I knew we were gonna see each other in the future. We did long distance for two years and I had told him that you just tell me you’ll see me in the US and I’ll wait 5 years if you want me to. He decided to go his separate way because he was gassed up by his friends to leave me. Which is why our relationship lasted 4 years. Because no one thought who had the more power in the relationship . We were both willing to put in all the work. I was extremely loyal and he gave me all the emotional security I needed. Just a healthy relationship. FnF never talks about how to have a healthy relationship, just constant manipulation. Worse, Tate talks about us like we’re the “main chick”. It’s disgusting honestly.
@@HaHa-lx9yo this is a interesting read, this gave me a broader sense of reality of about this. I also hope there’s more woman like you in the dating world. Also find you a man that respect your need as you do to him.
I think the more often I see these podcasts, the more I'm realizing that Myron has a pretty small amount of arguments, and just sort of pivots between them whenever he starts to struggle to defend one. 1. Appeal to nature and primal wiring with no evidence that he hopes will sound right to people without needing to elaborate 2. social valuation based on cultural values that are subject to shifting and changing 3. "women socially don't mind this stuff because look at these anecdotes I have as a wealthy and attractive man" 4. Like 2 or 3 cherry picked studies that he always brings up that don't usually prove what he thinks they prove. He counts on asking such questions that seem on their face like they're confirming his views, but asking any follow-up questions would probably contradict the conclusions he draws from them. It's a clever trick, but it doesn't work when he's sharing the stage with people who have the awareness to challenge him on any of his conclusions. Like the thing where he asked women if they prefer one man and men if they prefer multiple women, and used that to draw a conclusion that the ideal relationship involves a man being able to fuck any woman he wants while the woman remains monogamous. The missing question there is asking women if they prefer a man that's monogamous, and I think he very consciously avoids asking that question. Seems like more than anything else he's just leading his chat to the conclusions he wants to for his red pill ideology, rather than actually exploring relationship dynamics in earnest. It also didn't strike me the last time when he was mostly talking down to party girls who didn't really seem like they knew what to say or how to act, but it is very grating how Myron is always telling women that they can't fathom the male mind and they just have to deal with that, but when a woman disagrees with him he also seems to believe he has a greater understanding of the female mind than any woman who disagrees with him.
I only know Myron through Destiny's content (previous podcast and the Sneako conspiracy talk) and this was the first time I was really disappointed with his thought process and engagement with the topic. For instance, his answers to that question at 1:07:20 whether this one sided open relationship comes with attributes that make him a good father/husband were so simplistic and with a direct link to his preferred conclusion but without any thought or reasoning behind it ("wife will be a good mother because she proved to be a good wife"). The obvious answer is no, there is nothing about fking around with other women that make you a good father or that strengthens the husband-wife-child bond but he couldn't bite that bullet.
Essentially myron has a superficial understanding about these topics and only adheres to what confirms his biases. He can’t go in depth and effectively flesh out his arguments when pushed back on them.
@Akyra "seems like more than anything else he's just leading his chat to the conclusions he wants to for his red pill ideology, rather than exploring relationship dynamics in Ernst" These guys, and other red pill dudes also sell courses and programs that cost hundreds close to thousands of dollars based on their "ideology". So they could care less either way about really helping men
exactly. he had no reply to what notsoerudite asked about being a father. i seriously cant understand how unaware of reality they are. what a sad bubble they live in
Agree. He's extremely smart and witty, but his biases show REALLY hard when he starts talking about redpill BS. The Evo psych stuff about "women are biologically driven to blah blah blah" or "men are biologically driven to mate with 1000s of women like the mindless animal they are", lol. It's taking small truths of biology and stretching them as far as he possibly can to suit his views.
Yup, that shit was funny! 100% agree with her, being swedish myself. I find it super weird when people that have like 25%-12% swedish genetics who have lived in another country all their life (and have no connection to sweden outside of those genetics) claim the nationality. That isn't what makes you swedish. If you live in sweden or have lived in sweden for a time and is a citizen then go right ahead - call yourself swedish, absolutely. I will make an exception for people that have a swedish parent and have lived in another country all their life as well if they've got the citizenship and is somewhat culturally swedish too I think. Self-identification deffo plays into it a little bit but other factors must be met.
She simply doesn't care Gigachad. But for real though, Europeans don't see cultural heritage the same as Americans. In America, noting your cultural roots are more important than simply saying you're American. 99% of the people you meet here are American, so it is a useless distinction. Cultural heritage explains a lot more about someone's perceived eccentricities than nationality here.
Love seeing Destiny on all these platforms spitting the most common sense and facts. While I see all these other men are fighting to keep their fantasies. It's fantasy, not reality. These men need to ultimately grow up. Monogamy is 'High Value.'
Destiny better be paying melina alimony like he says men should, she did leave her life in another country to come live with him. I mean this is destinys advice to men right? 😂 so pay her alimony
@@brockcharz2104lmfao you dont even understand what alimony is. melina is more than well off to care for herself financially. you only pay alimony if the other person is not able to take care of themselves financially after the divorce. dont be stupid.
Yeah she did really good but I do think the asking, "how many nurses are here?" pivot was kind of random & jarring. I get she had that little hypothesis in her head for a while but I think keeping it simple like destiny saying Miami party circles are not similar to the rest of the world was a better tactic because once they said many woman who come on ARE nurses that line of attack just kind of went flaccid. It was just so random & was a stretch of a weird statistical argument in the first place but im still super glad she came on because she's 1000 times more intelligent than the normal woman they have on their show. God I just remember the twins from last time.. theres lil xan & then those must be the lil xanettes Also LOL when she asked them what they thought of Aristotle. She always does that, she tries to bring up things way over somebody's head while actually thinking they might have some well thought out position about it. Come on now nobody in that room is familiar with Aristotle erudite lmao, I'm shocked she didn't pick up on that
Fresh N Fit: In a perfect world women would be home taking care of the kids while the men are out earning the money, supporting the family, and fucking other women. *2 hours later* Fresh N Fit: It's a fact that men get screwed after a divorce because they have to pay child support and alimony. Destiny: Ya because the man is out making more money and bettering himself while the wife is home taking care of the kids just like you want. Fresh N Fit: *Surprised pikachu Face*
Exactly it’s literally the reason why alimony was implemented in the first place. Also Kevin samuels used to say that worrying about alimony as a high value man is dumb. Because the money they take can easily be made back double to triple fold which is why they choose that price.
@@dbz287 Right. It goes back to old testament Bible days when men would abandon wives and children on a whim. And God instructed society to take care of the abandoned or widowed women and children.
In the new one wasn't looking at a woman that was not your wife lustfully considered adultery? 😂 Even God himself had to tell guys to chill, after all isn't it how we got cursed by Eden? Trusting females blindly! (I am a woman)
@@fatcat5817 shhhh, these clowns cherrypick the bible: in the bible submission from the woman (even tho it said wife but these clowns nvr mention marriage), while also saying "it's biology to want more than one woman" as soon as u tell them god don't like adulterers
@@thelonercoder5816 it’s the classic gotcha moves. Have crazy and ridiculous ideas, sprinkle some genuine truth and good points every once in a while, and before you know it you’ll be parroting the same ridiculous stuff as them lol
I feel like their strategy of getting women and one sided relationships defeats the purpose of a relationship to begin with. A relationship is about a person knowing you so intimately that you feel the most free around them, and feel like you’re the most ‘yourself’ in their presence (and vice versa). If you’re not able to be emotionally vulnerable with your partner and are constantly regulating the level of affection you give them so they’re more interested in you, you’re losing what makes a relationship valuable in the first place. What’s the point?
going through the redpill phase when i was 18 - 19 then growing out of it and seeing these guys talk about it is really mind blowing, I can feel the hurt and insecurities in their words bro
For sure, TRP is full of hurt and insecurities, but TRP is the other side of the coin of blue pill/simp/male feminist life and one that actually favors men. Or whatever life style Destiny thinks he has as a 30 year old gamer, if that's something you 'left' TRP for to aspire towards. Wowww.
@@awesomepower1600 And that is the problem right there. There is no alterative solution to the "red pill" that anyone is presenting other than "be a good person and get your shit together" which isn't that different from what a RP person would say. Destiny himself knows he cannot offer a different path that is viable to the average person which is why MJ told chat to not listen to him. I honestly think most men grow up the opposite of the red pill by default and they only seek this kind of content out because they have been burned by the dating world and want real answers.
Daniel with the “90 percent of this chat is 80 IQ” was just about the most accurate thing I’ve seen or hear this entire stream. Many of those superchats were shallow beyond recognition
I checked out some of their channels. Quite a few of them were gamers that post clips of FPS games, and have a comic book character for their profile pic. I think it speaks a lot to who F&F are making money from. These dudes probably aren't having much luck with women, but that's a conclusion you could draw just from the fact that they're fans of F&F. A podcast dedicated to viewing dating in a way where all of the power is in the man's hands.
That's because majority of the people on the Fresh and Fit Podcast ARE 80 IQ. Maybe 100. Destiny and Erudite far exceed them by 50 to 70 points, maybe 100. Destiny's IQ is likely above 150. These Fresh and Fit guys and women and Shneako are likely 100 IQ or lower. Just take an IQ test and you'll easily learn who will be less happy in 10 - 20 years.
Especially the one about how all the powerful men had a bunch of women, King Solomon wrote a whole book about how it’s bad and you shouldn’t commit adultery but these guys try to be like “look he did it so it good”
Damn... The "If you are ok with her leaving you the second she finds a more financially stable man" argument was a bombshell of a counter. Nicely done D.
@@suzygirl1843 What is the end result of that kind of society structure? In my mind, it results in the top 1% or men ending up with all of the woman... Which leaves a LOT of frustrated incels behind. Having such a large frustrated population tends to result in violent revolution.
@@suzygirl1843 Lol if you think throwing money at your kid is how you raise them, you're describing a strip club for toddlers. Interesting parenting style you've got there.
Enough already with this “stepping out” fallacy. Women will never accept it, even when they say they will. It will just create a tense, sullen, hostile household, the exact opposite of the environment they know men want to retreat to after a long day. If a “high value man”( another term that needs to be thrown in the garbage) wants to sleep around, he can stay single.
Her and Destiny, and his wife are calm and intelligent. People in the comments talk about how Destiny has failures in his relationship, but Destiny even says that he doesn't recommend people to engage in such. Knowing better doesn't necessarily mean that you will do better, even if you strongly believe that you can.
Notsoerudite brings up a fantastic point. My gf loved me when I was broke and I told her my career of wanting to be a software engineer. 3 years later, she stuck besides me and watched me get my first time making over 6 figures. She loved me when I was broke and still loves me the same. That is how I know this girl is for me and deserves what I provide for her.
@@nic_aya even if a guy is broke, a woman still can choose to be with him by hypergamic reasons. If the guy is broke but have traits that indicate successful prospects such as being in college studying medicine or engeneering, the woman will look at him as someone who has the potential to be a good provider.
Destiny: Women will only accept a one ended relationship if the man is higher level like Leonardo DiCaprio Sneako+ everyone else: Levels? What are you talking about🙄🙄 Bald man on left: Women will only accept being in a one ended relationship if the man is higher level i.e emperors throughout history. Everyone: Yes👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
The issue where they misconstrue his point a lot is that they focus purely on the example of money and status when his whole point was: if you both are on equal status of positioning in life regardless of what your values are (be it business owner, rich, going to college, etc) then the woman will not put up with her peer doing something like cheating because she can find a million other guys much like him, as opposed to what some consider the pinnacle of status being able to do what they want and put up with them cheating because their chances of getting with another guy like that is 1 to damn near impossible. For some reason the other guys, mainly Sneako, didn't seem to understand the argument.
For someone who says they operate on the “reality” instead of the ideal, Myron sure has a hard time accepting that no women would want to be one sided open relationship.
Bruh those dudes are so far beyond help LMAO they truly don’t see girls as humans but a machine that cooks and cleans and make babies , bruh these dudes are weird
The first time and only time my Husband has ever cried in front of me completely melted me. I felt more connected to him than ever! It made me feel l more deeply connected to him. My Husband and I are 31 & 33. We have been married 11 years, together 16 years. We grew up together, we have had many ups and downs. Nothing he can do will ever make me leave him other than another women. It doesn’t have to be sex either. If you are using another women to fill a void we have a problem. Also, until recent years, I have been the main bread winner by a lot. I never looked at my Husband as less than me or lost any respect for him. My husband’s value never came from his 💲! It came from the man he is. Providing doesn’t always mean finances.
Together for 16 years holy shit congrats. Imagine like never having anyone else’s opinion to ruin your view on your own relationship. Like it’s crazy how 1 in a million your relationship is.
@@Eetechy Destiny better be paying melina alimony like he says men should, she did leave her life in another country to come live with him. I mean this is destinys advice to men right? 😂 so pay her alimony
it’s so weird like they don’t see their own partner as a person, but a role to play in a relationship. the way these woman and the hosts talk about dating is deranged and is gonna lead to divorce lol.
I find it so strange and quite revealing, that the guys (Other than Destiny) think a man can sleep around with a bunch of other women, and not be more likely to leave, his current wife or girlfriend etc. If you are sleeping around with a load of other women, unless you are completely devoid of emotions, it's quite likely that you are eventually you are going to find a woman you have feelings for, and end up leaving your wife or girlfriend for them. And it certainly is a lot more likely that you will leave, had you not been sleeping around. And I honestly don't understand why you would want to sleep around with other women, if you are in a relationship with someone, I assume you love them. And although some small minority of women, might accept you sleeping around, whilst they can't sleep around, but that doesn't mean it doesn't upset them, and why would you want to upset someone that you love. I just couldn't even imagine wanting to sleep around with other women, whilst in a relationship for a number of reasons, but that's just one of them, as well as risking getting an std or getting another woman pregnant.
@@thepubquiz3198 These guys clearly don't believe in romantic love. No man that believes he can't cry in front of his girl does. Their idea of a girlfriend is just locking down the best girl they can get to agree to their lopsided relationship terms so that they have permanent, high-quality, low maintenance backup pussy.
@@thepubquiz3198 everything that you said was on point, this is why guys should just pursue a woman who is interested in engaging with women if this is that big of a necessary benefit lol
@@thepubquiz3198 they literally said at one point that a man sleeping around with a bunch of women is more likely to hold they're MAIN girl down,,, lmao. This kind of stuff 1,000,000% leads to more of the EXACT problems they're "supposedly" trying to fix.
You could say this literally about anything that someone is really into. “ putting this much time and thought into martial arts must be exhausting” if it’s not for you it’s no for you man.
@@cryptocaesar8972 not really, martial arts is a hobby or even a career, having sex with multiple women when you have a main girl is neither of those things
I think Erudite is absolutely right that the female guests on Fresh and Fit do not represent the average woman. Maybe they are selected that way, or maybe there is just a tendency in favour of certain women who are willing to go on the show....
for real they keep making the same argument that they have a pool of 1500 women from all kinds of states and different education levels. But they ignore that the vast majority of girls still end up the same way, they all still came to miami and were picked up for the podcasts in clubs and the vast majority of them were the same clout chasing instagram models, pornstars/onlyfans or do other social media related stuff. having a college education doesn't mean shit if you didn't do anything with it. Get people outside of miami or big cities, get some succesfull female doctors, bankers, lawyers, ceo''s of non social media companies etc or hell get some female construction workers, plumbers or other trade jobs and see how they will react to their speech about how men should be able to fuck other women and women need to stay exclusive so that men have leverage over the women because she is "replaceable" or how women don't know what they want or are attracted/aroused to.
@AK Milli these girls are claiming to be Financial Advisors and they barely got out of Highschool, what are you talking about. You literally just heard what someone with an actual job and IQ above 90 sounds like when expressing her point of view, and she (notsoerudite) pretty much made all the foundations of these pointless ranting shake. On the other end, you have girls pretending they'd be okay with their boyfriend fucking with other girls because "status", whilst never ever thinking about fucking a 10/10 dude if they had the chance to and no one would know. These are not the woman you should be trying to date.
This show is for pure entertainment. There is nothing Fnf can teach you, they are losers. However they are so good at being clowns. The jokes write themselves 😂
What I appreciate most about Destiny is his willingness and capability to disagree with popular opinions regardless of optics. Too many people stay silent when they disagree with red pill or blue pill echo chamber bs. He is extremely lucky to have a fast-thinking mind, I can’t say the same for myself in terms of speed.
Popular opinions are only popular because the majority of people who fall for this Fresh and Fit shit and media in-general are people who are statistically dumb. Rich are rich because they found ways to make money off the dumb and/or lazy people in society. I will bet you that the CEO's of McDonalds RARELY IF EVER eat at McDonalds because they know how bad it is for them and how it makes you dumber. But they won't come out and tell you that because then they may end up losing business because people got smarter. Corporate America is literally built on the foundation of making us dumber and banking on the bet that people won't seek information to make themselves smarter and abandon their manipulative business tactics.
@@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262 Destiny rarely does ad homs anymore though, in general. If you think about all his online discussions with Sneako, Destiny is going just as hard on these podcasts.
Haven't finished yet but damn man, this is a hard but interesting listen. I didn't realize just how shallow many people seem to be when it comes to relationships lol.. Love how Fit always talks about "facts" that are literally just his opinion too. Sigh.
Bruh if the girl isn't attractive enough you ain't dating her also and that's the same for women if you don't have your shit together or maybe too short most women ain't dating you. that's everyone get over it
Yeah, love and intimacy seems non existent to these people. And they talk a lot about loyalty and respect without even knowing what those words even mean.
Destiny and the girl in red coat sitting second left to myron make the most sense in this podcast especially when she says that "A female with a low body count will not be liked to be treated as replaceable". This is pure facts. Guys cannot seriously think that if a women has low or no body count, they will like a man who can f**k around whenever he likes. The fact that she has no body count means that she wants the guys to be her every kind of support be it physical or emotional. If a guy fucks around while in relationship with a serious low body count women then that's just loser behaviour on guys part. That's just facts.
I disagree with Myron a lot, but I respect how he runs his show and tries to let people talk. Or how he helped euradite by having the girls raise their hands. And while I still think there’s a selection bias in terms of the type of people willing to fly out to Miami to go on this pod in pursuit of a certain lifestyle, the fact that he’s keeping stats to try and refute it was cool. He’s super organized.
Myron was the only one giving Destiny and euradite good counter arguments, Fresh has good points and he's clearly smart, but his inability to vocalize it is his downfall. Sneako and MJ were just there for the drinks.
@@awesomepower1600 Yeah I agree with this. I feel bad for Fresh because he has trouble speaking and people make fun of him for it so he doesn't speak much and I can't listen to his thought process. To me, Sneako is like the male version of Lav who just actually can't follow the conversation and yet is so smug about something they've completely misunderstood. Sneako can only make his points by shitting on people and labeling them. We judge the left for calling people racist, nazi or sexist, but these right leaning people do the same things with words like lib, soy, feminist. It's just that socially, the words the leftist tend to use has a stronger negative connotation. Like being a lib is cringe but being racist makes you morally corrupt. This panel isn't the greatest example of it, but if you watch Sneako's response to Noah Samson or the videos he makes on his channel, he mostly makes fun of the person (not all the time obviously) without engaging. Mj I don't have much thoughts on. He just comes off a pretty boy who's a player. Only time he stood out to me was the overreaction to Destiny mentioning that he's bisexual (I haven't finished the pod yet though). The thing about these shows that makes me sad is how Destiny was right about how both sides hardcore play into toxic societal norms. Women wearing makeup, or men being detached and masculine. The way these women talk about Bi men makes me feel so shit and I'm not even Bi. To push back on this shit (on what it means to be a man, or having to wear makeup) you have to martyr yourself which most people aren't willing to do because it sucks ass.
@@lampad4549 when he pulled a 'react' on all those content creators coming after him that was a major L moment and he lost me with that, i hope that was a learning experience for him
Damn. Notsoerudite is spitting fire here. She understands men and relationships at a way deeper level than Fresh and fit. It’s like they think the dynamic they experience at Miami clubs is representative of the real world 99.99% of people experience.
You will have no time to sleep with other women if you’re married, have kids and still need to attend to your “main chick” unless you’re basically abandoning your family. That is reality in most of these cases.
@@christopherrivera1673 meaning parading this lifestyle of sleeping with other women while also talking about being a a strong family man is an oxymoron unless the fnf goal is to just be a bachelor all your life without kids.
Whenever these guys talk about the ideal male life, they are basically using the extreme example of something like an Arab Prince. Stacks of money, family, kids, but also travelling in private jets and fast cars and be surrounded by women wherever they go. Maybe one in each country, which they pay for an apartment and clothes for etc.
Destiny better be paying melina alimony like he says men should, she did leave her life in another country to come live with him. I mean this is destinys advice to men right? 😂 so pay her alimony
F&F's chat went from not knowing how to handle Destiny's strong points, to not knowing how to handle his whole existence, then to getting triggered by just how he talks 😂 it was the most fascinating chat I've ever seen like their small brains could not form any proper argument so they had a full meltdown lol great stream.
I don't know, Rollo gave some good points that weren't covered and brushed aside for Destiny's sake. It was funny to see some of the triggered comments though.
dude it's a chat, nobody can rebuttal with any "proper arguments" with a one line sentence that'll be buried in seconds. They just talk smack to troll, but believe it or not a lot of the F&F audience respect Destiny. They make fun of everyone with opposing points on this show, but Red Pill guys stalk smack and roast each other, even if they like you.
I think bringing Erudite was an absolute power move, I was trully surprised, how many times she destroyed Fit's flawed logic, and his only answer was to say " I understand women can't understand this but..." followed by repeating the same thing again.
It really takes some confidence to bring out the evo psych bullshit when someone that works in the field of psychology is on the podcast xD. Too bad its also a bad decision.
'We're biologically programmed by evolution to sleep with lots of women', 'We're biologically programmed by evolution to make lots of money'. Yeah we're biologically programmed to s*** in the woods, but we don't do it anymore cos it sucks. What we're really biologically programmed to do is shift our behaviour to lead the most harmonious, positive life possible, which for most men is not sleeping around and getting into constant arguments. These evo psych guys are so reductionistic and think they're so smart by pretending to be able to explain all human behaviour by looking at chimps. Maybe for them it's true. The most hilarious thing is when they bring religion into it and pretend to be devout this and that. What they champion is literally the reverse of everything religion has preached for the last 2,000 years.
@@zootsoot2006 "Yeah we're biologically programmed to s*** in the woods, but we don't do it anymore cos it sucks." No, we're not biologically programmed to s*** in the woods, we're just biologically programmed to s***, period. I don't know why you would bring that up as a rebuttal when that has nothing to do with the praxeology of the Red Pill. You can try and dismiss it as "evo psych" bs, but there's statistical data that backs up what they say and anecdotal evidence that backs it up even further. "What we're really biologically programmed to do is shift our behaviour to lead the most harmonious, positive life possible, which for most men is not sleeping around and getting into constant arguments." The reality is, most men can only sleep with one girl cuz most men don't have the capabilities of sleeping with multiple women. Whether a man *PREFERS* to sleep with multiple women or not has nothing to do with biological programming, just preferences. And no one there claims to be devout in their religion, they use it as an example to explain the biological differences between men and women. "What they champion is literally the reverse of everything religion has preached for the last 2,000 years." If you're referring to Christianity and alike, that's only *ONE* religion out of many religions tat condone open relationships on a man's side, which actually goes in harmony with what they talk about on their show, but once again, they never claimed to be devout in religion. Unless you have evidence to actually rebut what they're saying, all you're doing is just speculating, which doesn't constitute as proof
This whole thing made me so grateful for my woman. We are both sickly honest with each other, have never cheated in our life and are disgusted by it, both open up cry etc and listen to each other. We have been poor together, well off together, don't care who makes more money. We both cook, both clean, neither really want kids. Neither care about body count but are both pretty low. Both low maintenance. I mean we are far from perfect but make what these people talk about look inhuman lol.
Your relationship sounds awesome. I think it sounds inhuman because they literally dehumanize both men and women, and act like relationships are strictly some kind of business deal, when in reality emotions and relationships are far more intricate and complex. Using language like “high/low value” gives the impression that the person is some kind of object, void of all personality traits.
same? frankly? are our relationships really so rare? what you describe, while none of it is negative....feels like it should be bare minimum you know? the bar is in hell...lol
These men don't know the first thing about women. Women are usually innately nurturing and caring. Men who are able to trust a woman enough to show their vulnerable side puts him at an advantage. This is why a lot of narcissists or manipulative men who know this will play the "victim" or pretend to be vulnerable in order to tap into that nurturing side of women.
Bullcrap. Experience teaches wisdom so you know about women from a woman's perspective but they know them from a male's perspective, it's not the same.
Bro, Destiny had some bad moments, but in general he crushed his opponents, he pointed out their logical flaws and fallacies, and exposed their beliefs
It just hit me: fresh and fit and redpill communities are just advocating for relationships where the guy is figuratively a legal guardian and the girl is a child
They wax poetic (I think they're actually incapable of that) about the "good ol' days" and about "traditional roles" and "family values", aka when women were property and had very little to no independence and autonomy and men where the absolute voice of authority in the household. That's why they hate feminism and blame it for all of the social woes of modern society.
I thought I would have never watched a FnF podcast in a million years but it was good to see different ideologies get challenged and people having healthy disagreements. Destiny is really good at arguing his ideas/beliefs and Notsoerudite brought up a lot of amazing points.
I wish they would just lay it out plainly. They want a one-sided open relationship because being faithful is hard, and they wanna be able to do what they wanna do, but they don't want their girl to cheat. They want to have their cake and eat it, too. They try to make it sound so much deeper than it actually is.
Perfectly stated. It also seems like they want to downgrade women and their accomplishments so they don't have to morally feel bad that they are treating another human being so badly.
I actually commend these guys because they are honest. It's true that sticking to one woman is very hard, but the thing is, it's not hard for them only but for almost all men. Most men cheat and are never caught. The few that don't cheat only manage not to because they lack the opportunity. The unfortunate thing is that a lot of women believe that only men who are scumbags cheat. that's why they criticize men who openly say they want to have multiple girlfriends
@@wilts8965 Statistically speaking, most men, married or just dating, do not cheat. The percentage of men who at least admit to cheating falls around 20-25% from recent studies; even if we were to try to adjust for those who were not willing to admit to cheating but still cheated, we could add another 20%, and it still wouldn't be most men. I'll agree with you that for a lot of those who didn't cheat, they just didn't have the opportunity. But many of them make a conscious choice to not have that opportunity to begin with. For instance, in a marriage, if you're actually committed, you're not going to put yourself in situations where you'd be tempted or likely to cheat, like going to the bars/clubs without your spouse frequently, creating an inappropriate relationship with female coworkers, accepting numbers or giving your number to interested women, etc. It's a sacrifice, and it takes work. That's why everyone says marriage is so difficult. So I don't respect Myron at all; Fresh is just a parrot for Myron so I'm not gonna even comment on what he believes. Myron is advocating for a life of shallow, instant gratification with virtually no regard for anyone but himself. He views women as a source of sexual pleasure and to bear children. That's literally it. No one takes priority, ever, over his own carnal needs, and he expects to have a successful "marriage" (put that in quotes cause what he's describing is anything but a marriage) with not just one but four different women. Ok, buddy. See how that plays out in real life; I don't care how much money you have. Also find it funny how he advocates so strongly for this dream world, fantasy setup where he gets to have his cake and eat it, too, and everything goes off without a hitch...but he's in his mid-thirties and appears to never have had a serious, long-term relationship. 🤔 But yet he's always screaming that *women* do not and could not ever know what men want. Dude openly admitted to not caring to please his women during sex. That's actually embarrassing. He's had sex with "hundreds" of women but still has no skills in the bedroom. He's a joke. Nothing to respect about this guy whatsoever, and his plan for all his future wives and constantly cheating on them will 100% blow up in his face.
43:42 was so satisfying. that moment of silence after she brought up a valid point and no one could think of a way to counter was incredible. sneako couldn’t even answer the question without getting immediately defensive. which is funny because her question and line of reasoning was simple. if you are aware that women see sex as an emotional tether to their partner, how are you going to satisfy your s/o emotionally if you’re sleeping with other women thus breaking that emotional connection and possibly giving your partner a reason to cheat? now, someone else’s actions don’t facilitate your own as you have the responsibility of controlling yourself, but if it’s their philosophy that women need to be protected and provided for, how are you “protecting” your woman from the possible appeal of cheating if you’re actively giving her a reason to do so?
The answer is it's up to the woman. If they can't handle a man not giving enough attention and they're gonna cheat because he's too busy to be with them a satisfying amount, then leave and settle for a man that will give you a more average life style but you'll get more attention. Pick your poison.
2:48:00 - last year my uncle died tragically. I cried and my girlfriend supported me through the period of grief. I can’t imagine dating let alone marrying a woman who’d find that an issue. As melina said, what these people preach isn’t relationships, it’s fuckbuddies…
Imagine you were dating Melina at that time and u call her for support and she doesn t respond cause she is out there somewher f*in random dudes and girls. Thats messed up
Facts bruh ain’t nothing wrong with crying to your women. After I got out of the military an experience a whole bunch of shit my wife held me down these mf aren’t real men. Especially that light skin nigga lol with the Miami vice shirt on lol.
These men and bimbo women speaking for the average normal women make me cringe. They are not the average woman. The average woman is not ok with getting cheated on or being with a dog man with a over 200 body count. Like no way. Women are initiating divorce the most and rather be single now. Men following their "advice" will end up divorced. And as a real Miami person, its not a miami thing, maybe its a LA girl who moved to miami thing.
You missed the big picture. This is only for HVM so why bother fussing about it. Its only like 5% of the male population who can even ask their partner to accept that (Myron says the HVM should tell her upfront, if she says its ok then its not cheating). Don’t even know why they spend so much time discussing this when most of the population is monogamous (even though both men and vvomen still cheat on each other behind their backs).
The point is not that women are ok with being cheated on. The actual point is that women don't want their man to cheat, but they want a man who could. In other words a man who could cheat is inherently attractive because other women want him. The majority of men in a committed relationship cannot cheat because they are not attractive enough to even attract genuine sexual attention. The reason Myron says it's not the same is that women on average, provided she isn't obese or fat are attractive to the majority of men. So women cheating is by no means difficult because many men would gladly have sex with her.
@@ahmarcamacho8404 the ability for a man to cheat has nothing to do with his attractiveness or financial status. every single man on this planet can cheat and would if they wanted to. the reality is women see what another woman has and some of them want to take him. it doesn’t matter if he’s attractive or something, women like to know they can take your man. that’s why when people get in relationships they notice it seems like more people want them as opposed to when they were single
These people are insane… they’re saying first you get her emotionally invested-you don’t lead by saying you want a one-sided open relationship, rather it’s a bait and switch. You find someone who can’t replace you as easily as you can replace them. That’s manipulative and dishonest, and the relationship is based on fear. Plus, if the goal is to wife the mid women and fuck the prettiest, then the mid woman you’ve baited into a long term relationship should be easily able to get wifed again. It’s a flawed strategy and I stand by 95% of Destiny’s points here
@@georgesontag2192 What?? She paid him back a lot of his money and he doesn’t owe her anything. And he definitely still has his reputation-watch his debate against Cenk
Common misconception, they constantly say that a woman they intend to take seriously needs to provide more than what a maid and a prostitute can. I think these conversations get stupid because they go back and forth between what they’re looking for in just sex and what they’re looking for in serious partners without specifying which they’re currently describing.
When freud asked sneako “do you want just casual sex or something more serious with these other women” sneako said just casual. But when sneako was talking to destiny, he mentioned that this ideology can be tied into religion and used Islam allowing multiple wives as an example. Multiple wives is NOT casual. He contradicted himself
you can tell hes so easily influenced by his peers. his morals and beliefs are so wishy washy, but in the moment he makes it very believable that they aren’t.
Watching this guy continuously back up his arguments by saying people are "hard-wired" is so fkn challenging. I feel like I'm watching the scenes from Idiocracy where the police keep saying, "this particular individual"
And, that in itself is not a good justification for behavior. It could serve as a possible explanation. You can argue that humans are biologically pre-disposed to do a lot of things, yet we are not slaves to our biology. If we thought that way, the world would be vastly different.
Funny how Fresh and Fit questioned the Asian chick for her one-ended social media take, when it's pretty much perfectly analogous to their one-ended open relationship take
These guys really need to choose better girlfriends. There are a lot of lovely, down to earth, good looking women out there who are not the kind of obtuse, fickle and shallow people these guys seem to surround themselves with.
You’ll be surprised bro. Even the most innocent looking girls THINK the things fresh n fit refer too. They will just never admit it to the “good/nice guy”. Which you probably are tbh judging by your comment.
Destiny finally says what I’ve been thinking on all these Fresh & Fit podcasts - Destiny at 2:5:55. I don’t think there are a lot of these one-open relationships.” …It’s “celebrity only” scenarios. “It’s like 1% of monogamous relationships.” He’s right. Their scenario is not for 98% of the male population. 2:18:30 Melina is right. 2:19:48 Fit says: “You got to let her know she’s replaceable…” Melina’s response is realistic: “No, she’s going to divorce you and take your shit.” Fresh and Fit’s repetitive scenarios only work with the 1% or 2% high value men. It’s like they’re thinking the majority of men are all 6’4”, Andrew Tate high rollers. The typical decent successful man that gets married to this ideal wife with the low body count they keep describing, even if he’s providing all the security, good father, etc. making six figures, if this typical high value man goes out and has all these women, she’ll say, “You cheated!” Gets divorce, take half of everything! The entire Fresh and Fit philosophy is based not on the vast majority of men. It’s based on the 2% 30-45, very fit, very handsome, 6’3” millionaires, that they’re all part of in Miami. They’re talking about themselves. They routinely devalue men say, a 5’8” - 5’10 men which I believe is the average height. And, regardless of beautiful high wage women, the majority of males in the US are more likely to below below 6’ and make below six figures. The majority of real-world, successful 6-figure + professionals (lawyer, doctor, well-off entrepreneur) who’s great looking, tall and provides security to his beautiful wife will overwhelmingly be facing DIVORCE on her cheating husband if they followed Fredh & Fit’s advice. Check the stats on this. The ONLY HV Men who would get away with the scenario of f*cking multiple women, while the young wife at home says “okay” are very very the very few 1%.
That’s why I liked Kevin Samuels more. A divorced person has way more experience and nuanced. That’s why I loved how Kevin talked about class levels. Sorority’s, college etc … like most women don’t even understand class level matters when he brings you around his peers class matters…in the NON CELEBRITY world. Chest tattoos, works at target just won’t fit in cuz she has a cute face or body. Men actually do like class. These guys don’t even speak for normal guys most normal guys don’t need TH-cam to get sex. It’s like they give millionaire advice to incels.
This comment doesn't even ring true for hyper successful men. Tiger Woods' wife divorced him for infidelity, so it just shows that if women can choose, they'll pick monogamous situations
So true, especially with the what they want of a woman stuff. Like I get they’re more of a ‘male oriented channel’ and so tend to talk about things from the ‘male perspective’, but I feel like sometimes they just don’t understand that in a normal world where you’re not so powerful that you don’t have to compensate for other people and their desires, you actually have to … compensate for other people and their wants and needs. Like the body count thing. They really think that if a woman who cared about her body count enough, and about her body, that she would be saving herself well into her 20s would go out with let alone marry them, I have to laugh. What ever happened to values? That woman is likely looking for a guy that mirrors her own values as shared values are conducive to a strong long term relationship. On top of that, they really think that a woman like that is going to save herself for *them* and not even get loyalty from them??? Save herself to get with a man who risks giving her a disease cause he can’t even keep it in his pants?? And yet they have the nerve to say that the lot of women are the ones who don’t live in reality and only live in lala land. Most women don’t care how much “money” or “security” you give when loyalty is free.
Average men in United States doesn’t have a partner because most women won't date average men....1 in 3 men now a days are single and haven’t had sex in last year.That proves women only care about high value men, they only want to date high value men...Fresh and Fit are advising men to become high value men... That's the whole point of Fresh and Fit
Or when he says "imma keep it 1000 with you", "facts", or "I don't make the rules", it is universally followed by some fringe nonsense he just made up.
@@railguncs They're right about 10-15% of the shit they say, maybe. The rest is BS they're using to make money off the "invisible" men they always refer to.
Even in the comments here, the only thing people really attack are Destiny is in an open relationship & he’s a video game streamer, two things he does not advocate for. They can never argue against any of his specific points.
I like how Destiny didn’t laugh in the beginning when everyone else was. I used to laugh with everyone to make them comfortable but these days people aren’t funny they’re rude and their audience is uncomfortable and by default wants to appease. Silence gives you so many answers
Not laughing when something isn’t funny if it’s directed toward insulting someone else shows dominance. Especially if it’s jokes towards being misogynistic, disrespectful or downing a gender or anyone in general
Destiny really destroyed their entire philosophy at 2:00:00. At the end of the day, being able to rise above our animal instincts is what makes us better than animals. The three stooges might not want to admit it, but part of being a functional adult is not spending all your time self-gratifying.
LOL destiny brought his blue haired wife and mutually open relationship onto the fresh and fit show knowing what they are about. That is a real G move.
Unironically Destiny is the only alpha on the panel and yes i dickride him and yes he's a cuck None of these guys would stand behind something they enjoy but would get made fun for. They would buckle. I know a rich young guy who bought a fiat abarth, his friends made fun of him bc it's a small girly car, he sold it a week later and bought an audi. Same energy from these guys
The commentary at 1:08:00 about a woman investing in your true value not monetary value legitimately made me break into tears because that truly is the deep connection that pushes my existence forward. I had that at one point, and look forward in hopes I'll find it again. I've drifted away from that in search of fleeting pleasures from hookups because it helps me avoid the fear that I'll never have intimacy like that again. And that's not how I want to continue living my life. Goddammit I wasn't expecting to get smacked in the face with a reality check this morning
At least you had it at one point in your life. I NEVER had that from a woman and I don't know if I ever will bro. I ain't sad about it tho. I have to make the best of my life. I only got one.
Myron's favorite repeated phrases are: * Chivalry is dead and women killed it". " men and women are not the same" " Here's the thing" " The reality is this" And my favorite of all, " Since the beginning of human time". ( As if he is a 10,000-year-old Somalian vampire and has been there since the beginning). 🤣
myron "open ended on one side keeps the woman docile because she knows she can be replaced" then, 10 minutes later, erudite: how can your woman feel secure if she knows you're looking to replace her sneako and myron: no i dont want to replace her she has no reason to feel insecure lmao
No he said her feeling insecure is good but doesn't mean they are looking to replace their main girl. Would like to say personally I am not interested in these open ended relationship models but as a man you still have to walk the same path to dictate the relationship and get the girl you want. Must self improve in all facets.
@@mitchrapp5214 If she is insecure that you are gonna leave, then she is not secure, it's pretty straighforward bro. Myron constantly uses vague words like "security" and "provide" so he can change what he means when people show him the inherent contradictions in the shit he says.
@@at5203 I would need a timestamp honestly. I understood their points at the time and felt Destiny was conflating. For example Destiny wasn't aware women are attracted to men that other women find attractive. Basic social proof. He has many glaring gaps in his knowledge like this.
@@mitchrapp5214 Let's make it simple, Myron did or din't say that women need to feel like they are insecure that a guy will stay with them to be on their best behaviour?
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@@jjhova I think Destiny fans are so extreme, they are all bashing the Asian women for challenging Destiny's ideology... You all call yourselves liberal but can't take valid criticism 😆😆Isn't that hypocritical?
@@Sigmaasphere lol, I'm pretty sure 40 - 60% of Destiny's audience is conservative
oOoOO 🤣🤣 ppl
@@Sigmaasphere the Asian woman was pretty dumb that's why.
The girl in between Sneako and Destiny literally got heartburn the instant the guy said “suck this Johnson.” 39:10
Destiny having to address the audience to say “fellas out there listening, if you cheat on your wife or gf she’s NOT going to find that attractive, don’t do that” while getting shouted down by all the other (male) panelists was my favorite part
F&F panel trying to create a new breed of incels.
Destiny who is actively fucking other women, I guess his WIFE doesn't find him attractive?
@@eshaybah5581 and Destiny trying to create a common breed of simp cucks if you ever do manage to land a girl, be sure to hollar
@@eshaybah5581 they genuinely are. Sneako is out here acting like anything less than being Leonardo DiCaprio is a disappointment. Meanwhile huge swathes of young guys in this audience are going to struggle to get any dates or real relationships, never mind having one where they get to tell hot women that they expect them to stay home while they go out and try to get laid with other women.
These guys say they're trying to help men "be better" but it's just nonesense. They're setting up a standard where most of them have to fail as a rule.
I think the strategy here is you give all the dudes terrible advice and swoop in on the women who’ve been effected by it 😂
The problem I have with the whole one-sided open relationship thing, is these men want their wives to be faithful and have a low body count because a high body count lowers their value, yet they're actively lowering the value of other women by sleeping with them and contributing to hookup culture. I don't see how you can have both without being a hypocrite or at least admitting that you're contributing to the problems that you're complaining about.
THIS. One of the best points about this whole podcast. Well done!!
Agreed man
Yup, listening to lots of these debates and podcasts I've realized they contradict themselves SO MUCH!
They said women cheat more because it's easier yet they also say men in monogamous relationships mostly all cheat because it goes against their nature while women want monogamy. So which is it? Do women cheat more or do they want monogamy?
Sneako himself admitted to catching a man doing his girl when they went to a sex party and stayed with her so he's a literal cuck saying he's a high value man who wouldn't let his girl be with other men 😂
They view all women the same because those are the only type of women they surround themselves with. Materialistic promiscuous women. There's no way they actually believe these women that are with them because of money and success are virgins. If they do, theyre dumb.
They completely push away the type of women they say they want because good high value women don't want men like them.
Their ideologies are WILD and massively contradict each other.
Because you are looking it at as a average man. The man that has money and status will have way more options than you. People out here just listen to how their life is but don't take a moment to see that they are talking mostly for most of high status. If you think a average man is the same as a high value man than right there is the problem. 🤷♂️
Exactly
The most obvious issue with "we have all types of women on the show" is that there is one major way the show's women are skewed. Every single woman that goes on Fresh N Fit are women that would go on Fresh N Fit. There are so many types of women who would never want to be on such a show. Whether its shy women, older women, more religious women, more progressive women. This selection bias destroys Fresh N Fits argument that they cover all women.
It's what destiny and his group were trying to say. Where are these girls getting picked from? Miami or influencers. They're from all these different states but they're all going to this one place/lifestyle.
Exactly what I was thinking too
Man our luck they bring on a whole bunch of super religious women who totally back what Fresh n fit say and we find out they are all super fundamentalist Mormon women
But those are the girls on the forefront for us guys. Those are the girls we see outside.
Yeah, it's really bullshit. Actually being from Miami is barely relevant. It tells you way more about someone if they made a decision as an adult to go to Miami to live an Instagram lifestyle
1:51:10
"Feminism has destroyed the nuclear family" as they literally just spent 2 hrs explaining why its okay to cheat on their wives
LMAO literally
Exactly 😂
It did u femnoid femcel
Cause guys built the world?
@@Beebeepbooboop huh?
It's crazy how the guy in an open relationship understands monogamy better than the guys in a monogamous relationship 🤣🤣🤣🤣
None of the men there were in a monogamous relationship
he doesnt
@@Roguenight863 or WANT a monogamous relationship.
It’s crazy how during this podcast his wife was taking a big load to her face . She must love him so much ❤
"monogamous" relationship
I love how destiny is so timid and unnoticeable but the second he starts talking it’s a energy shift and his presence is strong
True “alpha”. He is humble and kind while being strong and dominant when needed. They can learn from him.
I have a feeling people aren't used to someone like him. Just based on their reactions
Now that's what you call real masculinity.
He's proficient in speaking but clearly a very socially awkward guy.
Hiding his power level.
I'll say this again for the 100th time; bringing girls in who happened to be born somewhere else but CHOOSE to live in Miami and embrace the culture is NOT the same thing as bringing in non Miami girls.
Its by definition that. You can argue about the type of women who choose to go to the show. But by demographic statistics individuals moving to metropolitan and core cities is a representative sample of the average millennial and younger worldwide. Unless you are talking about the underlying culture of ethnicities in said city, majority of people moving to said areas have no wildly differing culture.
Not all the girls are there for that lmao.
@@reclassified_ It's precisely about the different underlying culture. Miami is a flashy party town full of shallow materialistic people, probably _especially_ those that _choose_ to move there. That's where the sample bias comes from.
@@reclassified_ what’s the point in being so pedantic lol. Yeah technically by definition they’re non-Miami girls because they come from a different city but the whole point of wanting ‘non-Miami’ girls is to bring girls on that aren’t a part of the Miami culture. If they choose to live in Miami then they’re not what we’re looking for.
@@___jd so is every other large city in the country or in the west or 1st world countries for that matter...
Fresh doesn’t realize his audience isn’t high value men they’re 14 year old boys they’re telling to cheat on their gf.
"My girlfriend is ok with our one-sided open relationship, she just doesn't want to know or hear anything about the girls I'm sleeping on the side with." This is not someone that is ok with it lol.
@pablo puthon People will tolerate or endure certain things for the sake of other benefits of a relationship or arrangement. Not terribly surprising.
@@delornegg I mean isn’t that the argument they’re presenting ? To position yourself to such a degree of leverage that the other person tolerates the BS ?
@@ggdatboi They aren't saying tolerate. They are saying they are OK or are happy with the arrangement. They aren't either of those things if given the option they'd have it another way.
Yeah, they also said girls are fine with any body count on a man when they said they didn't want to know. If you don't want to know, that, by definition, means you aren't OK with it. You're just agreeing to ignore it and not think about it.
Why would they want to hear anything about the other girls? How is that even an inability to cope?
NotSoErudite is probably the best guest they've ever had on this podcast because she is SO much smarter and more knowlegable about these things than the party girls they pull in on the regular.
too bad she's an outlier.
@@bobcruz2826 not really. ive known a lot of smart girls.
But dude, they bring in SO many different types of girls, not just party girls.
Ignore the fact that they're all girls who are:
1. Willing to be flown out to, or live in or around Miami after being contacted on Instagram, likely for their looks ((Although I could certainly be wrong on that part).
2. Willing to go on a famous podcast, typically to boost their careers/financial gain in some way.
3. In rare cases, girls who are going on to actually discuss the topic/engage with the ideas, like Destiny.
Also Erudite and Melina, but I had to sneak in a Destiny is a girl's name joke.
She completely lost me with some of those quotes.
"Women don't actually want a man with money and status."
"Women will help build up a man who's not on their level."
@@aryzen2781 I'm 36 and I've met 1.
Destiny is the only male on this panel with a fully functional brain.
Nah he has a female mindset
Dude he is so far into his feminine mindset. His comments on single motherhood are so far off. Most women walk away from the father. They're not being abandoned it's the other way around
Y’all must’ve never seen the black father abandoning his kid stereotype that’s been around since before fresh n fit were itches in their dads ballsack
@@michaelnizza414 where did you get that info from Fresh and fit women are initiating 90 percent of the divorces or some bull crap
His girls getting smashed by other dudes and you look up to him…LMAO
That Asian girl is such a pick me omg. You have to be a damn liar to say that women don't want to hear their man being vulnerable and sharing their problems with them. All of these people are morons except for brown leather jacket, destiny, and his wife.
whats her ig ?
Dude girls always say they want
A sensitive guy because
It sounds better
Then I like assholes who treat me
Like shit
They’re getting paid to act like brainless 304 only smart girl was the one in the red leather jacket and destiny’s gf
Notice how they always selectively pick these only fan 🌽 stars and brains less 304s in their videos to try and prove their points.
@@MatthewHarvey-d5wthhe don't like assholes who treat them like shit only the damaged ones do
The girl in the brown jacket is making so many well articulated points that are not really being addressed by the panel. The most important one was that the dating strategy proposed by Fresh and Fit is not conducive to finding a long-term partner. The strategy is only effective at helping improve a guy's chance of having sex with more girls.
She even sounds different than all the other girls on the panel and her arguments are so well constructed, she's definitely getting a follow from me
@@axeledongo7846 Fresh and Fit can't attract these types of women, Hence why her perspective seemed so out of place here. I'm GLAD they finally got one of these chicks on the show to state the obvious truth.
Who is she tho?
@@Getbacka5 notsoerudite YT Channel
Bro the issue is they don’t even talk to the average guy. The average guy doesn’t need a podcast for advice they give incels advice for the 1% of the 1%. Telling men that if you don’t get rich you don’t deserve a family is so toxic
A high value man is not a rich man, it's a emotionally secure and self aware man that has an understanding of the complexity that is humanity... not whatever FnF is advertising lol
I agree
@@hg13589 I don't. A high value man is a rich man.
And values.
Honor, integrity, loyalty , respect, discipline, and courage.
Myron has none of the qualities
@@theimmortal4718 completely agree myron to me seems like someone whos been through some kind of trauma whether it be from his childhood or his mom or maybe a woman he loved in the past and now he walks around basically putting everyone down both men and women while simultaneously trying to make it seem like men are overall better than women. He makes men seem like the biggest assholes on the planet and women are shit beneath their shoe. Men who think and talk like him clearly have insecurities or just things going on in general that made them this way. Hes not a good role model for any man. Ive heard women say that ever since their bf or husband started watching this podcast and andrew tate they changed and it made thw relationship worse. At the end of the day all myron has is money and nothing else to offer and even then a lotta women dont care about men with a ton of money. They just preach all the wrong things.
@@hg13589
I agree. He acts as if men have no agency or self control. He also presents the dichotomy in which he complains that women aren't trustworthy and are too sexually promiscuous, yet expresses the desire to sleep around with untrustworthy and promiscuous women and refuses to accept the idea that he can live without sluts in his life. He literally thinks most women have the behavior and mindset of an OF sex worker.
I doubt he's spent any time with a woman he didn't meet while partying or on his podcast.
Any actual high value woman would have nothing to do with him and find him repulsive. His understanding of the world is that of a middle schooler.
Notsoerudite alone brought up the average IQ by about 50 points. She was able to argue and bring up very good points by just cleverly asking questions. Impressive performance.
Was she in the brown jacket (Kyla)? Yes, she had great questions and ideas. I didn't recognize her, and I don't think she introduced herself as NotSoErudite.
Thanks for pointing this out.
she conceded every argument made. She can start a strong argument but cant maintain it.
@@joshmaclean8206 that was her, alright. She managed to articulate her points really well. Even Myron seemed to be impressed.
@@tada3399 eh, perhaps if you looked at it from a purely "if it's not completely white than its black" perspective. Whenever she brought up a point, Myron oftentimes responded with a reason or justification which tackled the issue from an entirely different dimension. And while she agreed with him on certain things, she often still remained with her orginal points.
But to be honest, I consider that to be normal if you go on this podcast: if you want to be taken seriously by an audience of red pillers you need to at least acknowledge some things that they are saying otherwise the audience will just assume that you are some brainwashed sheep.
@@chocolatMouse he was impressed because he's used to bimbo onlyfans types who have less braincells than fingers. If all the women you interact with are shallow and superficial, it makes sense that you would have such a weird perception of women
Why do they want to push infidelity?
It's honestly gross, they also flip flop every other day on their opinions
Thank goodness for destiny seriously
I bet they all have STDs
Destiny is in a open relationship and his wife has yelled at him on stream for CHEATING on her, you realize this right? and whats worse Destiny acknowledged that he was cheating on his wife because he entertained relationships without her knowledge.
In fact pull up his history... the dude has cheated in all of his relationships according to his current wife
but he's on her espousing how true love is not cheating on your wife and only sick men do/want that.
@@jasonu3741proof?
I don't have a problem with a man who wants to smash everything, just leave me out of it.
Don't enter in a relationship, live your life by yourself.
I agree
Same
I mean, I agree, but saying you don't have a problem while at the same time saying you want nothing to do with it is contradictory.
@@gabof92 I think what they were trying to say is that if that’s your thing then go for it, but leave them out of it.
You don’t know what you want
The argument of a one sided relationship destroys itself. Not a single one of these guys would want there daughter to casually sleep with someone but if people listened to them they would eliminate the women they say they want
You’re so clueless . There will always be those women.
They're hypocrites, most popular figures are hypocrites.
Facts.
If I caught my daughter sleeping with a guy. I'll be angry asf.
@@koreancowboy42 so don't sleep with others daughters even if they offer them selves
@@Ruba-v1i it's called being a good parent.
I don't want her bedding different guys, if she can't keep a relationship what's the point of sex and dating.
Also your point is? What?
A relationship shouldn't be one sided.
Let alone should it mainly be about sex, I don't have time to deal with my daufhters issues if her dates aren't good and if she gonna bring problems.
Girls are born with value and if they don't it, they fail to understand anything.
I want my daughter or daughters to preserve themselves and not be sluts.
I don't need to see different guys each different day of the week or months or whatever
This felt like one actual adult talking to dudes who still havent left their college frat house days, about what a relationship actually is and is supposed to be. Big W Destiny
The Epitome of Masculinity is Polygamy
Destiny is the boomer the new generation needs
Destiny takes it in the ass. Can't take his opinions on male female relationships very seriously
@@Sigmaasphere nonsense
his chick gets railed by other dudes dawg XD
“Toxic masculinity doesn’t exist” Also “men should never show their emotions” wtf
It's pre requisite to be a walking contradiction to make it in media these days.
I have not seen this video yet, but they usually say “men should never show their emotions” because of the reaction that women tend to have.
How can not showing your emotions be toxically masculine, if showing emotions is a feminine trait to begin with? Toxic masculinity doesn't exist because there aren't any masculine traits that are toxic. Masculinity is a positive term in its nature. Men who don't control their emotions are shooting in schools, r*pe women and children, and are violent.
He doesn't mean it like be a machine. What he is saying is be stoic as a leader
@@edrickbetancourtesquilin162 The reason women are usually so awful at responding to men who show emotions is because they live and witness the same society men do and thus have that same view that 'men should not show their emotions' as a man who is not stoic is weak- its a cyclical thing.
Idea that a real man is a man who is stoic and doesn't cry as emotions are for women. Men show emotions less. Man breaks down at some point. Woman is uncomfortable and thinks they're weak and not a good man. Man feels uncomfortable crying in front of people and feels less manly. Men show even less emotions. Women see men show less emotions. Cycle goes on.
Also obviously this isn't about absolutely everyone, there are many women who are very good at comforting men who shoe emotions and there are many men who shows emotions. But broadly speaking... that's the core of the issue. That's where the idea of toxic masculinity comes from, it's the idea that there is a system which is toxic to men and causes harm, for example a man supressing his emotion could lead to many mental health issues and thus the suicide rate for men is very high.
This was genuinely painful to watch and I could feel myself losing braincells as the panel talked...I truly pity these people. I doubt they'll ever find true happiness
yes i agree, but i also didin't know destiny was in a polyamorous relationship :/
I literally had to call my husband 4 times while I watched this at work because I needed someone to restore my brain cells. This cast was a bunch of clowns.
@@SuperNovacaine44 brainwashed child
@@minddweller with a comment like that I think you need to take a good long look at yourself. Obviously you didn’t have brain cells to burn.
Are you saying people won't find happiness if they don't agree with you?🤣🤣🤣
Fresh and fit: we don’t date girls with social media but we can have it
Girl: I don’t date guys with social media but I can have it.
Fresh and fit: surprised piccachu face*
The more I watch Destiny in these panels, the more fascinated I get, the way he articulates his points and is able to fully speak his mind out (either you agree or disagree with said takes) whenever needed on any given topic is crazy.
I think the reason why he's so good at articulating is because he fleshes out his arguments in his head before talking, most people just say the first thing that comes up in their head.
I wish he pushed back on some more points but I understand that if you don’t pick your battles with these type of people you get labeled as someone who you can’t debate with just like Logan Paul
Ya but he has a girls name
Wish he would enunciate more tho, sometimes I can barely understand him like xqc lmao
Yep! he has been continually debating for past 6 years. I honestly believe he might be the best debater in the world, at this point.
Destiny never fails to make solid, and well articulated arguments.
yeah just talks long sentences without meaning man he talks fast and confuse people but he still on the wrong side with his arguments thus making is arguments weak but with lot of words
@@elyon28skill issue
"hes on the wrong side with his arguments" is the funniest and least sound argument ive heard today@@elyon28
Exactly
@elyon28 use your brain to understand
Love how sneako tried his absolute hardest to be combative with destiny and all he did was prove he doesn't know how to listen 🤣😭
Facts
Sneako is 70 IQ.
I mean he did bring up a good point about using the word "league." It does imply that one league is better than the other. Destiny should have said something like field or interest group or whatever.
@@hasanalarbash4057 he did clarify that's what he meant like 5 times
@@Dinnizzel97 I have to listen to it again but I remember that I agreed with Sneako that Destiny at least implied ranking
I LOVE that Destiny decided to guest in this podcast. It's so refreshing to have someone like him continuously challenge Myron's points. Plus, Destiny doesn't get offended by all the superchats and side comments. And that one woman next to MJ was KILLING it with her questions!
Destiny, who is a chick in a man's body, got triggered many times just like a chick. You must be one of his super fans.
@@jackmiller6554 Bro stop, it's cringe
These dudes are highkey manipulative. There entire mindset is based on using power dynamics to satisfy their “insatiable thirst” and using massive generalizations to justify having a one sided relationship. They want a poly relationship where their women sits idly by, and obedient to their comfort zone. I only listened to clips of this podcast in the past but wow this was eye opening. People actually watch this shit on the daily, crazy.
We do not care lil bro. Delete your comment
@@diegoenrique6780 Ive been listening to this everyday and I can literally feel my brain being poisoned by the stuff they say, it's wild what they believe is traditional and polygomy💀
This is why you don’t ever take advice from immature people. It’s literally destiny ( the man ) schooling the whole panel 🤦🏻♀️
And the leather jacket lady
Says you who listens to a guy who is in open relationship and is feminine as fuck. Lol
lol wtf show were you watching? oh yea. one of papa simp smurfs followers lol
@@damnkevindeaderthanamf3297 no follower just a person that deals in facts instead of mental childish name calling, kinda like you just did... maybe quit defending a loser, oh wait, you are lol same boat lol
@@johncostello2519 U literally was calling people name and simp and all that. And u still are. But let it be done to u, u get emotional. Pls stfu. I defend looser, u defend Incels
in what a bleak transactional world these guys live. They see every relationship like a flowchart.
It's all hedonism and materialism.
Empty husks
The sweeping generalisations as if all men and all women are one entity and think exactly alike. The worst phrase I’ve heard is ‘women’s value on the sexual marketplace decreases after the age of 22’ Horrible way of thinking about it and blatantly untrue.
These dudes are highkey manipulative. There entire mindset is based on using power dynamics to satisfy their “insatiable thirst” and using massive generalizations to justify having a one sided relationship. They want a poly relationship where their women sits idly by, and obedient to their comfort zone. I only listened to clips of this podcast in the past but wow this was eye opening. People actually watch this shit on the daily, crazy.
Yep, literally all I heard them is repeat it multiple times to manipulate people. Plus this shit wouldn’t work with 90% of people.
Beta
@@acoleman51096 Damn u right. Being a manipulative piece of shit is the true alpha move.
Not only do they watch it. They believe it and then pay for the privilege 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
*Their
"women overwhelmingly initiate divorce." One of the top reason for divorce is... infidelity, and these idiots are over here encouraging men to have one sided open relationships.
@Cristiano Ronaldo "One of the top reasons" idiot. And although financial incompatibility might be the top reason, being broke is not. It is more about disagreements on what the money is used for.
@Cristiano Ronaldo They said *one of the top reason* , not top. Learn to read.
You are so right. But just to change the subject a little bit, on the left we have a lot of degenerate woketards who pressure men into dating sexual content creators (OnlyFans,Pornhub,Insta..etc) and they try to sugar coat it "Oh its just their job" just like these guys try to sugar coat their one sided open relationships with "men are like this women are like that BS"... arent they both the exact same thing? Think about it, dating a girl who does sexual content is literally being in a one sided open relationship.
@@casebased8391 but there is a BIG difference between THE TOP REASON and "one of the top"
so for women, is way worse being broke than a cheater but for men its the other way around
@@railguncs Nah. There are *many* studies, and results vary slightly in each so it’s hard to pinpoint the number ONE factor. A study by the Department of Psychology at University of Denver showed infidelity contributed *more* often to divorce (59.6%) than financial problems (36.7%). What ALL these various studies had in common, however, was that infidelity was always one of the top reasons.
_“so for women, is way worse being broke than a cheater but for men its the other way around”_ Yeah you just pulled this out your ass and provided *zero* stats to support this claim 😂
This gave me a newfound respect for destiny, he’s quick on his feet and knows how to debate very well
He's the best at it. He can literally win debates arguing the side he is against. He can argue any side and win a debate. He's a debate savant.
@@QualityQman he’s not seeing too much competition tbh….like these ppl would hurt most our brains to even talk with them. He’s just patient af😂
He's the best. I have so much respect for him.
Yall are more that likely female so that's why
@@IForgetWhatISay He debates more intelligent people as well
They want a paid maid that is also a side chick.
It's really gross way to look at women, pay them off so they let you walk all over them- odd
Going to be honest
I don't really care about having a bunch of sex as a dude, sexual satisfaction just feels unimportant because I can gain it by myself.
I just want a family, I want to hold my kid, I want to have someone I trust and can confide to.
I don't want to be alone.
Having multiple hallow sexual relationships is meaningless.
I'm sure everyone, even the fresh and fit fans, deep inside themselves want the same.
No one want to be alone.
And you will get none of that and you'll be sad and lonely and miserable. And end up on a TRP/Black pill forum, the ironic part is 99.98% (and i am being generous, it's actually 99.99%) of TRP were once Blue pillers who didn't get what they wanted or Hollywood sold them.
What i like about Fit's mindset is, you're aiming for the stars and you might, worst case scenario land on the moon.
@@awesomepower1600 going to be real pal, you sound like your projecting on me
Never been to those forums, and as far as I know they're on 4chan and are cringe.
That's about it.
You sound like you might've been there a few times tho.
Hopefully you get better
You literally wrote a dear diary post on some random youtube video.
You mention you have never been to those forums but then mention 4chan. Which is it? Make up your mind before your next med sess.
Stay away from schools
one thing Myron needs to do more is say its not every single man. ur probably in the smaller percent who just wants to have one woman
@@awesomepower1600 L
I hope every person in this conversation gets to experience ACTUAL deep love and respect and attraction with a partner they are committed to. Because this is just sad. The one thing they all fight against having is the one thing that would make all these debates stop.
Destiny is married with kids
@@jaer.6540 while his wife is getting plowed by other men lmao
@@cherrrybracelets while he is out plowing another woman? You realize an open marriage is both ways, right?
Y'all spend way too much time worrying about what other grown adults do in the bedroom, it's weird af
@@jaer.6540 yea sure, let’s act like this man gets any. when you have a platform & share your personal life, expect people to weigh in. just how it works.
Yess so much this. Its like most of these ppl have never had genuine connection in their lives.
Don't let this debate distract you from the fact that Melina's biceps are a woman's biceps
And destiny has none
Doesn't matter, since untrained teenage boys are still stronger than women who work out.
and it still smoll
Pathetic comments🥱
@@CommandoMaster so what that's obvious to see on average.
I gotta say im a traditional conservative and there’s a lot of things I don’t like about destiny. Yet I like him a lot more than most the dudes on this panel. Guy or girl, if you think your so amazing that you don’t need to practice loyalty and fidelity to the people you claim to care about; then there is something deeply wrong with you.
Ah, god.. you have no idea how refreshing it is to see a level headed conservative in this goofy ass redpill space. Bald dude claims all his points are backed by science, but it's all just pseudo intellectual evolutionary psychology that only accounts for like 3% of behaviours. Just sooo mind numbing. Dx
What do politics have to do with anything
Tf person would you like more? Ur coping because he’s bi or something
@@dontajones7379politics strongly indicate your beliefs of intergendender culture. Why are you so defensive/picking a comment section fight over his received surprise?
I come from a fundamental Christian background and I’m mad on behalf of the men in my life. My dad, brothers and guy friends are fiercely loyal to their wives/girlfriends. How dare these men try to say that all men think like they do and play with women like we’re play things. Also super hypocritical to expect women stay loyal to them, have traditional values and upkeep their appearance while they get to screw around and think that they’ll still make good fathers despite being terrible people
I’m one of the girls FnF talks about constantly. Low body count, feminine, don’t post bikini pics on social media and would love to settle down. But I would never EVER date guys like them. They’re the kinds of men who expect YOU to put all the effort and don’t put the effort themselves, won’t respect you at all. I want a low key guy who would love, care and respect me. That’s all. Not a “high value guy” who constantly reminds me that he has other options. I want to be the only girl for a guy and I’ll give everything to be with him no matter what.
Also, they say that once you cook and clean for the guy, and show your dedication for the guy, he’ll stick around. I’ve done that for two men. They backed out because they couldn’t match the effort that I made in the relationship.
@THE ADAM FRIEDLAND SHOW Original commenter sounds like a sweet girl. The double edge sword of being a really giving partner is people tend to misattribute your doting to them being of higher value. So regardless of whether the person is a 6 dating a 6: a 6 who gives/cares too much will
make their partner assume their is an imbalance---and the partner may start to think thay they are a 7 and that the giver is a 4. Sad, but true.
Same here.
Why would a quality woman want them? I'm being deadly serious here.
@@bdonovable Thank you very much! I gave so much effort into the relationship with two men that I completely lost MYSELF. I HATE when red pill men tell me that I’m probably just a 4 or a 5 which is why men didn’t put the effort. I consider myself fairly attractive. 5’3” 110 lbs. I look very cute in dresses. But attraction shouldn’t be the sole thing as to how you treat the other person in a relationship. Attraction can develop gradually if you find that your values are similar and those relationships last so much longer than “I just wanna fuck him/her” mentalily
@THE ADAM FRIEDLAND SHOW What’s a 4 or 5 girl for you? I consider myself fairly attractive. 110 lbs, 5’3”. Let’s say I’m a 6. The first guy I dated, I wasn’t even attracted to him sexually. I considered him a 5. But I knew initial attraction means nothing. Attraction can develop slowly and a did. I went on 4 dates and realized we had so much in common. I decided to be with him because his values were so similar to mine. The second guy smoked crazy but was attractive, put a little more effort but backed out once I asked him to put more work i.e. just texting. He would say he’d come pick me up, and disappear so many times. I tried to make so many concessions but it didn’t work. It was taking a toll on my mental health.
My first boyfriend treated me so well. No ulterior motives, we loved each other and I knew we were gonna see each other in the future. We did long distance for two years and I had told him that you just tell me you’ll see me in the US and I’ll wait 5 years if you want me to. He decided to go his separate way because he was gassed up by his friends to leave me. Which is why our relationship lasted 4 years. Because no one thought who had the more power in the relationship . We were both willing to put in all the work. I was extremely loyal and he gave me all the emotional security I needed. Just a healthy relationship. FnF never talks about how to have a healthy relationship, just constant manipulation. Worse, Tate talks about us like we’re the “main chick”. It’s disgusting honestly.
@@HaHa-lx9yo this is a interesting read, this gave me a broader sense of reality of about this. I also hope there’s more woman like you in the dating world. Also find you a man that respect your need as you do to him.
I think the more often I see these podcasts, the more I'm realizing that Myron has a pretty small amount of arguments, and just sort of pivots between them whenever he starts to struggle to defend one.
1. Appeal to nature and primal wiring with no evidence that he hopes will sound right to people without needing to elaborate
2. social valuation based on cultural values that are subject to shifting and changing
3. "women socially don't mind this stuff because look at these anecdotes I have as a wealthy and attractive man"
4. Like 2 or 3 cherry picked studies that he always brings up that don't usually prove what he thinks they prove.
He counts on asking such questions that seem on their face like they're confirming his views, but asking any follow-up questions would probably contradict the conclusions he draws from them. It's a clever trick, but it doesn't work when he's sharing the stage with people who have the awareness to challenge him on any of his conclusions. Like the thing where he asked women if they prefer one man and men if they prefer multiple women, and used that to draw a conclusion that the ideal relationship involves a man being able to fuck any woman he wants while the woman remains monogamous. The missing question there is asking women if they prefer a man that's monogamous, and I think he very consciously avoids asking that question.
Seems like more than anything else he's just leading his chat to the conclusions he wants to for his red pill ideology, rather than actually exploring relationship dynamics in earnest.
It also didn't strike me the last time when he was mostly talking down to party girls who didn't really seem like they knew what to say or how to act, but it is very grating how Myron is always telling women that they can't fathom the male mind and they just have to deal with that, but when a woman disagrees with him he also seems to believe he has a greater understanding of the female mind than any woman who disagrees with him.
I only know Myron through Destiny's content (previous podcast and the Sneako conspiracy talk) and this was the first time I was really disappointed with his thought process and engagement with the topic. For instance, his answers to that question at 1:07:20 whether this one sided open relationship comes with attributes that make him a good father/husband were so simplistic and with a direct link to his preferred conclusion but without any thought or reasoning behind it ("wife will be a good mother because she proved to be a good wife").
The obvious answer is no, there is nothing about fking around with other women that make you a good father or that strengthens the husband-wife-child bond but he couldn't bite that bullet.
Essentially myron has a superficial understanding about these topics and only adheres to what confirms his biases. He can’t go in depth and effectively flesh out his arguments when pushed back on them.
@Akyra "seems like more than anything else he's just leading his chat to the conclusions he wants to for his red pill ideology, rather than exploring relationship dynamics in Ernst"
These guys, and other red pill dudes also sell courses and programs that cost hundreds close to thousands of dollars based on their "ideology". So they could care less either way about really helping men
exactly. he had no reply to what notsoerudite asked about being a father. i seriously cant understand how unaware of reality they are. what a sad bubble they live in
Agree. He's extremely smart and witty, but his biases show REALLY hard when he starts talking about redpill BS. The Evo psych stuff about "women are biologically driven to blah blah blah" or "men are biologically driven to mate with 1000s of women like the mindless animal they are", lol. It's taking small truths of biology and stretching them as far as he possibly can to suit his views.
Melina: I’m from Sweden. I mean that literally. Doing otherwise is dumb.
The literal next girl: I’m Italian. From Philadelphia.
Yup, that shit was funny! 100% agree with her, being swedish myself. I find it super weird when people that have like 25%-12% swedish genetics who have lived in another country all their life (and have no connection to sweden outside of those genetics) claim the nationality. That isn't what makes you swedish. If you live in sweden or have lived in sweden for a time and is a citizen then go right ahead - call yourself swedish, absolutely. I will make an exception for people that have a swedish parent and have lived in another country all their life as well if they've got the citizenship and is somewhat culturally swedish too I think. Self-identification deffo plays into it a little bit but other factors must be met.
She simply doesn't care Gigachad. But for real though, Europeans don't see cultural heritage the same as Americans. In America, noting your cultural roots are more important than simply saying you're American. 99% of the people you meet here are American, so it is a useless distinction. Cultural heritage explains a lot more about someone's perceived eccentricities than nationality here.
To be fair: she brought it up as to why her family own a pizzeria. She had stopped on philly before being asked more questions.
What’s the issue ? Italian ancestry and born in America. Not that hard to comprehend.
@@HomoErectus311 the issue is that melina had just said “I’m from Sweden. Actually born there, otherwise its dumb to bring it up.”
Love seeing Destiny on all these platforms spitting the most common sense and facts. While I see all these other men are fighting to keep their fantasies. It's fantasy, not reality. These men need to ultimately grow up. Monogamy is 'High Value.'
And then his relationship fell apart because his wife was open and got emotionally attached to a scumbag
Destiny better be paying melina alimony like he says men should, she did leave her life in another country to come live with him. I mean this is destinys advice to men right? 😂 so pay her alimony
@brockcharz2104 damn bro i didn't even think of that lmao got em
@@brockcharz2104lmfao you dont even understand what alimony is. melina is more than well off to care for herself financially. you only pay alimony if the other person is not able to take care of themselves financially after the divorce. dont be stupid.
@@Ali-ng7jk so why was she asking destiny for 100k after the divorce? Lol
I think that Erudie really killed it on this podcast, it was really enjoyable to listen on her, and I hope she revisits it
Yeah she did really good but I do think the asking, "how many nurses are here?" pivot was kind of random & jarring. I get she had that little hypothesis in her head for a while but I think keeping it simple like destiny saying Miami party circles are not similar to the rest of the world was a better tactic because once they said many woman who come on ARE nurses that line of attack just kind of went flaccid. It was just so random & was a stretch of a weird statistical argument in the first place but im still super glad she came on because she's 1000 times more intelligent than the normal woman they have on their show. God I just remember the twins from last time.. theres lil xan & then those must be the lil xanettes
Also LOL when she asked them what they thought of Aristotle. She always does that, she tries to bring up things way over somebody's head while actually thinking they might have some well thought out position about it. Come on now nobody in that room is familiar with Aristotle erudite lmao, I'm shocked she didn't pick up on that
Håller med helt och hållet.
Hon är en mycket mer verklighetstrogen representant för kvinnor i allmänhet än festtjejerna de vanligtvis ger utrymme.
I enjoyed her takes and questions a lot, it was great
I, personally, can’t wait for that bridge to fucking burn
They prolly won’t she’s too smart and ask too many good questions they have trouble answering in good faith
Fresh N Fit: In a perfect world women would be home taking care of the kids while the men are out earning the money, supporting the family, and fucking other women.
*2 hours later*
Fresh N Fit: It's a fact that men get screwed after a divorce because they have to pay child support and alimony.
Destiny: Ya because the man is out making more money and bettering himself while the wife is home taking care of the kids just like you want.
Fresh N Fit: *Surprised pikachu Face*
Exactly it’s literally the reason why alimony was implemented in the first place. Also Kevin samuels used to say that worrying about alimony as a high value man is dumb. Because the money they take can easily be made back double to triple fold which is why they choose that price.
@@dbz287
Right. It goes back to old testament Bible days when men would abandon wives and children on a whim. And God instructed society to take care of the abandoned or widowed women and children.
DON'T FORGET FXCKING OTHER WOMEN 😂 These men really think women are ok with him fxcking others
In the new one wasn't looking at a woman that was not your wife lustfully considered adultery? 😂 Even God himself had to tell guys to chill, after all isn't it how we got cursed by Eden? Trusting females blindly! (I am a woman)
@@fatcat5817 shhhh, these clowns cherrypick the bible: in the bible submission from the woman (even tho it said wife but these clowns nvr mention marriage), while also saying "it's biology to want more than one woman" as soon as u tell them god don't like adulterers
Man, they've stepped up their game. The women on the panel are infinitely more interesting and intelligent than the last podcast.
Stepped up their game with the panel selection but they still have a ridiculous super niche world view on relationships lol
@@nitolinilo9034 I don't personally watch them outside of Destiny being a guest.
probably because Destiny brought some reasonable people with him.
@@thelonercoder5816 it’s the classic gotcha moves. Have crazy and ridiculous ideas, sprinkle some genuine truth and good points every once in a while, and before you know it you’ll be parroting the same ridiculous stuff as them lol
Wym Melina's there?
I feel like their strategy of getting women and one sided relationships defeats the purpose of a relationship to begin with. A relationship is about a person knowing you so intimately that you feel the most free around them, and feel like you’re the most ‘yourself’ in their presence (and vice versa).
If you’re not able to be emotionally vulnerable with your partner and are constantly regulating the level of affection you give them so they’re more interested in you, you’re losing what makes a relationship valuable in the first place. What’s the point?
going through the redpill phase when i was 18 - 19 then growing out of it and seeing these guys talk about it is really mind blowing, I can feel the hurt and insecurities in their words bro
For sure, TRP is full of hurt and insecurities, but TRP is the other side of the coin of blue pill/simp/male feminist life and one that actually favors men. Or whatever life style Destiny thinks he has as a 30 year old gamer, if that's something you 'left' TRP for to aspire towards.
Wowww.
How old are you now? 20?
@@awesomepower1600 And that is the problem right there. There is no alterative solution to the "red pill" that anyone is presenting other than "be a good person and get your shit together" which isn't that different from what a RP person would say. Destiny himself knows he cannot offer a different path that is viable to the average person which is why MJ told chat to not listen to him.
I honestly think most men grow up the opposite of the red pill by default and they only seek this kind of content out because they have been burned by the dating world and want real answers.
@@jellyfishbrained 21 but fresh n fit got me feeling 41 LMAO
It's very clear the people who are in relationships in the room and those who aren't.
Daniel with the “90 percent of this chat is 80 IQ” was just about the most accurate thing I’ve seen or hear this entire stream. Many of those superchats were shallow beyond recognition
I would say most people in the chat are 12
I checked out some of their channels. Quite a few of them were gamers that post clips of FPS games, and have a comic book character for their profile pic. I think it speaks a lot to who F&F are making money from. These dudes probably aren't having much luck with women, but that's a conclusion you could draw just from the fact that they're fans of F&F. A podcast dedicated to viewing dating in a way where all of the power is in the man's hands.
Yeah honestly lmao, the superchats were unbearable. But half of them had pictures of their abs so it’s not suprising really..
That's because majority of the people on the Fresh and Fit Podcast ARE 80 IQ. Maybe 100.
Destiny and Erudite far exceed them by 50 to 70 points, maybe 100.
Destiny's IQ is likely above 150.
These Fresh and Fit guys and women and Shneako are likely 100 IQ or lower.
Just take an IQ test and you'll easily learn who will be less happy in 10 - 20 years.
Especially the one about how all the powerful men had a bunch of women, King Solomon wrote a whole book about how it’s bad and you shouldn’t commit adultery but these guys try to be like “look he did it so it good”
Damn... The "If you are ok with her leaving you the second she finds a more financially stable man" argument was a bombshell of a counter. Nicely done D.
But women are supposed to find more financially stable men if they want their offspring to succeed
@@suzygirl1843 What is the end result of that kind of society structure? In my mind, it results in the top 1% or men ending up with all of the woman... Which leaves a LOT of frustrated incels behind. Having such a large frustrated population tends to result in violent revolution.
@@suzygirl1843 Lol if you think throwing money at your kid is how you raise them, you're describing a strip club for toddlers. Interesting parenting style you've got there.
Yeah the whole Darwinism, primal, uncivilized thing is NOT a game you want to play when you look at the full picture.
@@grimtrix Yes, so? Compete
Enough already with this “stepping out” fallacy. Women will never accept it, even when they say they will. It will just create a tense, sullen, hostile household, the exact opposite of the environment they know men want to retreat to after a long day. If a “high value man”( another term that needs to be thrown in the garbage) wants to sleep around, he can stay single.
Girl in the maroon jacket is awesome in this. We need more calm and collected girls like her in the world.
Her and Destiny, and his wife are calm and intelligent. People in the comments talk about how Destiny has failures in his relationship, but Destiny even says that he doesn't recommend people to engage in such. Knowing better doesn't necessarily mean that you will do better, even if you strongly believe that you can.
She is the only one happily married. FnF goal isn’t marriage but casual sex
Notsoerudite brings up a fantastic point. My gf loved me when I was broke and I told her my career of wanting to be a software engineer. 3 years later, she stuck besides me and watched me get my first time making over 6 figures. She loved me when I was broke and still loves me the same. That is how I know this girl is for me and deserves what I provide for her.
Women seek for men with resources or, at least, men who have the potential to get resources.
@@inrisalvatore9520 bro what
@@nic_aya even if a guy is broke, a woman still can choose to be with him by hypergamic reasons. If the guy is broke but have traits that indicate successful prospects such as being in college studying medicine or engeneering, the woman will look at him as someone who has the potential to be a good provider.
Opposite story for me, we are both poor but im applying to school this year while he supports my career. so happy for you!
This never happened but good story
Destiny: Women will only accept a one ended relationship if the man is higher level like Leonardo DiCaprio
Sneako+ everyone else: Levels? What are you talking about🙄🙄
Bald man on left: Women will only accept being in a one ended relationship if the man is higher level i.e emperors throughout history.
Everyone: Yes👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
lmao "bald man on the left"
The issue where they misconstrue his point a lot is that they focus purely on the example of money and status when his whole point was: if you both are on equal status of positioning in life regardless of what your values are (be it business owner, rich, going to college, etc) then the woman will not put up with her peer doing something like cheating because she can find a million other guys much like him, as opposed to what some consider the pinnacle of status being able to do what they want and put up with them cheating because their chances of getting with another guy like that is 1 to damn near impossible. For some reason the other guys, mainly Sneako, didn't seem to understand the argument.
I love how they casually ignore the vast majority of relationships
For someone who says they operate on the “reality” instead of the ideal, Myron sure has a hard time accepting that no women would want to be one sided open relationship.
Myron reminds me of the count on Sesame Street
Bruh those dudes are so far beyond help LMAO they truly don’t see girls as humans but a machine that cooks and cleans and make babies , bruh these dudes are weird
The first time and only time my Husband has ever cried in front of me completely melted me. I felt more connected to him than ever! It made me feel l more deeply connected to him.
My Husband and I are 31 & 33. We have been married 11 years, together 16 years. We grew up together, we have had many ups and downs. Nothing he can do will ever make me leave him other than another women. It doesn’t have to be sex either. If you are using another women to fill a void we have a problem.
Also, until recent years, I have been the main bread winner by a lot. I never looked at my Husband as less than me or lost any respect for him. My husband’s value never came from his 💲! It came from the man he is. Providing doesn’t always mean finances.
I drew the line right there. Destiny sounds confident in there current relationship status, but it sounds pretty empty.
The clock is ticking.....
Together for 16 years holy shit congrats. Imagine like never having anyone else’s opinion to ruin your view on your own relationship. Like it’s crazy how 1 in a million your relationship is.
i can’t wait for a marriage like this , wish you the bestttt!!!
@@angelganggirl thank you ❤️
Finally, Destiny provides a rational and articulate perspective what a breathe of fresh air
Time stamp it
@@shamaYahu8635 wym? every time he talked.
@@Eetechy Destiny better be paying melina alimony like he says men should, she did leave her life in another country to come live with him. I mean this is destinys advice to men right? 😂 so pay her alimony
it’s so weird like they don’t see their own partner as a person, but a role to play in a relationship. the way these woman and the hosts talk about dating is deranged and is gonna lead to divorce lol.
I find it so strange and quite revealing, that the guys (Other than Destiny) think a man can sleep around with a bunch of other women, and not be more likely to leave, his current wife or girlfriend etc. If you are sleeping around with a load of other women, unless you are completely devoid of emotions, it's quite likely that you are eventually you are going to find a woman you have feelings for, and end up leaving your wife or girlfriend for them. And it certainly is a lot more likely that you will leave, had you not been sleeping around.
And I honestly don't understand why you would want to sleep around with other women, if you are in a relationship with someone, I assume you love them. And although some small minority of women, might accept you sleeping around, whilst they can't sleep around, but that doesn't mean it doesn't upset them, and why would you want to upset someone that you love. I just couldn't even imagine wanting to sleep around with other women, whilst in a relationship for a number of reasons, but that's just one of them, as well as risking getting an std or getting another woman pregnant.
@@thepubquiz3198 These guys clearly don't believe in romantic love. No man that believes he can't cry in front of his girl does. Their idea of a girlfriend is just locking down the best girl they can get to agree to their lopsided relationship terms so that they have permanent, high-quality, low maintenance backup pussy.
@@thepubquiz3198 everything that you said was on point, this is why guys should just pursue a woman who is interested in engaging with women if this is that big of a necessary benefit lol
@@thepubquiz3198 they literally said at one point that a man sleeping around with a bunch of women is more likely to hold they're MAIN girl down,,, lmao. This kind of stuff 1,000,000% leads to more of the EXACT problems they're "supposedly" trying to fix.
Divorce? They don't even care about marriage XD they are human trash.
Putting this much time and thought into hooking up with people must be utterly exhausting.
You could say this literally about anything that someone is really into. “ putting this much time and thought into martial arts must be exhausting” if it’s not for you it’s no for you man.
@@cryptocaesar8972 not really, martial arts is a hobby or even a career, having sex with multiple women when you have a main girl is neither of those things
@@meepmeep3308 Having sex is one of the joys of life. If you’re not enjoying it then you have low T.
@@cryptocaesar8972 that's not a hobby or a job tho
Since you'll never be in that position, you don't have to worry about it, stick to your right hand
I think Erudite is absolutely right that the female guests on Fresh and Fit do not represent the average woman. Maybe they are selected that way, or maybe there is just a tendency in favour of certain women who are willing to go on the show....
for real they keep making the same argument that they have a pool of 1500 women from all kinds of states and different education levels. But they ignore that the vast majority of girls still end up the same way, they all still came to miami and were picked up for the podcasts in clubs and the vast majority of them were the same clout chasing instagram models, pornstars/onlyfans or do other social media related stuff.
having a college education doesn't mean shit if you didn't do anything with it. Get people outside of miami or big cities, get some succesfull female doctors, bankers, lawyers, ceo''s of non social media companies etc or hell get some female construction workers, plumbers or other trade jobs and see how they will react to their speech about how men should be able to fuck other women and women need to stay exclusive so that men have leverage over the women because she is "replaceable" or how women don't know what they want or are attracted/aroused to.
@AK Milli pls interact with women in real life im begging you LMAO
Hell no. Those women are the type you see at the club every weekend. They are absolutely not the average woman.
Software is different, hardware is the same.
@AK Milli these girls are claiming to be Financial Advisors and they barely got out of Highschool, what are you talking about. You literally just heard what someone with an actual job and IQ above 90 sounds like when expressing her point of view, and she (notsoerudite) pretty much made all the foundations of these pointless ranting shake. On the other end, you have girls pretending they'd be okay with their boyfriend fucking with other girls because "status", whilst never ever thinking about fucking a 10/10 dude if they had the chance to and no one would know.
These are not the woman you should be trying to date.
This show is for pure entertainment. There is nothing Fnf can teach you, they are losers. However they are so good at being clowns. The jokes write themselves 😂
What I appreciate most about Destiny is his willingness and capability to disagree with popular opinions regardless of optics. Too many people stay silent when they disagree with red pill or blue pill echo chamber bs. He is extremely lucky to have a fast-thinking mind, I can’t say the same for myself in terms of speed.
A fast thinking or quick wit mind is something I’m envious of.
Popular opinions are only popular because the majority of people who fall for this Fresh and Fit shit and media in-general are people who are statistically dumb. Rich are rich because they found ways to make money off the dumb and/or lazy people in society.
I will bet you that the CEO's of McDonalds RARELY IF EVER eat at McDonalds because they know how bad it is for them and how it makes you dumber. But they won't come out and tell you that because then they may end up losing business because people got smarter.
Corporate America is literally built on the foundation of making us dumber and banking on the bet that people won't seek information to make themselves smarter and abandon their manipulative business tactics.
Destiny also thinks there are 200 genders
@@adolphgracius9996 i bet he could make a better case for it than you could
@@adolphgracius9996 based
I just really like the energy of in person things. Everything is more animated.
@@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262 I'd prefer this "less real" version a hundred times over.
Imagine sitting there though. Suddenly you smell a fart but no one is saying anything and it smells so bad you want to die
@@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262
Destiny rarely does ad homs anymore though, in general. If you think about all his online discussions with Sneako, Destiny is going just as hard on these podcasts.
Things are way more about the actual points instead of getting lost in random tangent or definitions i'd say
@@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262 my friend pls touch grass there’s no way you think a discord call is more real than people sitting face to face😂😂
Haven't finished yet but damn man, this is a hard but interesting listen. I didn't realize just how shallow many people seem to be when it comes to relationships lol..
Love how Fit always talks about "facts" that are literally just his opinion too. Sigh.
@MOGKeanu yeah sure seems like it
@MOGKeanu youre so badass
You're right, cause saying opinion would make what he says more digestible for the triggered mob
Bruh if the girl isn't attractive enough you ain't dating her also and that's the same for women if you don't have your shit together or maybe too short most women ain't dating you. that's everyone get over it
Yeah, love and intimacy seems non existent to these people. And they talk a lot about loyalty and respect without even knowing what those words even mean.
Destiny and the girl in red coat sitting second left to myron make the most sense in this podcast especially when she says that "A female with a low body count will not be liked to be treated as replaceable". This is pure facts. Guys cannot seriously think that if a women has low or no body count, they will like a man who can f**k around whenever he likes. The fact that she has no body count means that she wants the guys to be her every kind of support be it physical or emotional. If a guy fucks around while in relationship with a serious low body count women then that's just loser behaviour on guys part. That's just facts.
Low or higher body count it doesn’t matter…if that woman is a good person she deserves respect and loyalty no matter what
I disagree with Myron a lot, but I respect how he runs his show and tries to let people talk. Or how he helped euradite by having the girls raise their hands. And while I still think there’s a selection bias in terms of the type of people willing to fly out to Miami to go on this pod in pursuit of a certain lifestyle, the fact that he’s keeping stats to try and refute it was cool. He’s super organized.
Myron was the only one giving Destiny and euradite good counter arguments, Fresh has good points and he's clearly smart, but his inability to vocalize it is his downfall. Sneako and MJ were just there for the drinks.
@@awesomepower1600 Yeah I agree with this. I feel bad for Fresh because he has trouble speaking and people make fun of him for it so he doesn't speak much and I can't listen to his thought process. To me, Sneako is like the male version of Lav who just actually can't follow the conversation and yet is so smug about something they've completely misunderstood. Sneako can only make his points by shitting on people and labeling them. We judge the left for calling people racist, nazi or sexist, but these right leaning people do the same things with words like lib, soy, feminist. It's just that socially, the words the leftist tend to use has a stronger negative connotation. Like being a lib is cringe but being racist makes you morally corrupt. This panel isn't the greatest example of it, but if you watch Sneako's response to Noah Samson or the videos he makes on his channel, he mostly makes fun of the person (not all the time obviously) without engaging.
Mj I don't have much thoughts on. He just comes off a pretty boy who's a player. Only time he stood out to me was the overreaction to Destiny mentioning that he's bisexual (I haven't finished the pod yet though). The thing about these shows that makes me sad is how Destiny was right about how both sides hardcore play into toxic societal norms. Women wearing makeup, or men being detached and masculine. The way these women talk about Bi men makes me feel so shit and I'm not even Bi. To push back on this shit (on what it means to be a man, or having to wear makeup) you have to martyr yourself which most people aren't willing to do because it sucks ass.
@@oephry3253 you are right there are plenty of other things to make fun of myron for.
"Deep desire"
@@lampad4549 when he pulled a 'react' on all those content creators coming after him
that was a major L moment and he lost me with that, i hope that was a learning experience for him
@@awesomepower1600 I have no idea what you guys are referencing
Damn. Notsoerudite is spitting fire here. She understands men and relationships at a way deeper level than Fresh and fit. It’s like they think the dynamic they experience at Miami clubs is representative of the real world 99.99% of people experience.
You will have no time to sleep with other women if you’re married, have kids and still need to attend to your “main chick” unless you’re basically abandoning your family. That is reality in most of these cases.
They've said that before, what's your point?
@@christopherrivera1673 meaning parading this lifestyle of sleeping with other women while also talking about being a a strong family man is an oxymoron unless the fnf goal is to just be a bachelor all your life without kids.
Whenever these guys talk about the ideal male life, they are basically using the extreme example of something like an Arab Prince. Stacks of money, family, kids, but also travelling in private jets and fast cars and be surrounded by women wherever they go. Maybe one in each country, which they pay for an apartment and clothes for etc.
Thank you Destiny for holding your own in a lopsided debate and speaking for guys that think similar to you.
Destiny better be paying melina alimony like he says men should, she did leave her life in another country to come live with him. I mean this is destinys advice to men right? 😂 so pay her alimony
@brockcharz2104 Go get evaluated, "alimony" is for the divorced, they aren't divorced.
@@DetectiveRaven they got divorced month ago lol, and she asked him for 100k but destiny refused
@@brockcharz2104 ya you copied a reposted your comment. at least cone up with some new shit dude. 😊😅
F&F's chat went from not knowing how to handle Destiny's strong points, to not knowing how to handle his whole existence, then to getting triggered by just how he talks 😂 it was the most fascinating chat I've ever seen like their small brains could not form any proper argument so they had a full meltdown lol great stream.
I don't know, Rollo gave some good points that weren't covered and brushed aside for Destiny's sake. It was funny to see some of the triggered comments though.
dude it's a chat, nobody can rebuttal with any "proper arguments" with a one line sentence that'll be buried in seconds. They just talk smack to troll, but believe it or not a lot of the F&F audience respect Destiny. They make fun of everyone with opposing points on this show, but Red Pill guys stalk smack and roast each other, even if they like you.
@@awesomepower1600 wouldn't it be cool of Rollo gathered the testicles to actually talk to Destiny and they could discuss those points?
@@awesomepower1600 Rollo was putting out some stats. It's really hard to respond to them when you haven't had time to look at the study
@@johannsebastianbach3501 F&F audience is 70 IQ
I think bringing Erudite was an absolute power move, I was trully surprised, how many times she destroyed Fit's flawed logic, and his only answer was to say " I understand women can't understand this but..." followed by repeating the same thing again.
It really takes some confidence to bring out the evo psych bullshit when someone that works in the field of psychology is on the podcast xD. Too bad its also a bad decision.
How did she destroy Myron's argument when all she did was argue exceptions to the rule? Clearly we aren't watching the same video lol
'We're biologically programmed by evolution to sleep with lots of women', 'We're biologically programmed by evolution to make lots of money'. Yeah we're biologically programmed to s*** in the woods, but we don't do it anymore cos it sucks. What we're really biologically programmed to do is shift our behaviour to lead the most harmonious, positive life possible, which for most men is not sleeping around and getting into constant arguments. These evo psych guys are so reductionistic and think they're so smart by pretending to be able to explain all human behaviour by looking at chimps. Maybe for them it's true. The most hilarious thing is when they bring religion into it and pretend to be devout this and that. What they champion is literally the reverse of everything religion has preached for the last 2,000 years.
bruh she keeps bringing up excaptions on the argument, how is she destroying myron? lmao
@@zootsoot2006 "Yeah we're biologically programmed to s*** in the woods, but we don't do it anymore cos it sucks." No, we're not biologically programmed to s*** in the woods, we're just biologically programmed to s***, period. I don't know why you would bring that up as a rebuttal when that has nothing to do with the praxeology of the Red Pill. You can try and dismiss it as "evo psych" bs, but there's statistical data that backs up what they say and anecdotal evidence that backs it up even further.
"What we're really biologically programmed to do is shift our behaviour to lead the most harmonious, positive life possible, which for most men is not sleeping around and getting into constant arguments." The reality is, most men can only sleep with one girl cuz most men don't have the capabilities of sleeping with multiple women. Whether a man *PREFERS* to sleep with multiple women or not has nothing to do with biological programming, just preferences.
And no one there claims to be devout in their religion, they use it as an example to explain the biological differences between men and women. "What they champion is literally the reverse of everything religion has preached for the last 2,000 years." If you're referring to Christianity and alike, that's only *ONE* religion out of many religions tat condone open relationships on a man's side, which actually goes in harmony with what they talk about on their show, but once again, they never claimed to be devout in religion.
Unless you have evidence to actually rebut what they're saying, all you're doing is just speculating, which doesn't constitute as proof
This whole thing made me so grateful for my woman. We are both sickly honest with each other, have never cheated in our life and are disgusted by it, both open up cry etc and listen to each other. We have been poor together, well off together, don't care who makes more money. We both cook, both clean, neither really want kids. Neither care about body count but are both pretty low. Both low maintenance. I mean we are far from perfect but make what these people talk about look inhuman lol.
Your relationship sounds awesome. I think it sounds inhuman because they literally dehumanize both men and women, and act like relationships are strictly some kind of business deal, when in reality emotions and relationships are far more intricate and complex. Using language like “high/low value” gives the impression that the person is some kind of object, void of all personality traits.
I need to step up my prayer game so god can give me a guy like you 🥹
How old are you and your gir
same? frankly? are our relationships really so rare? what you describe, while none of it is negative....feels like it should be bare minimum you know? the bar is in hell...lol
Yep.
These men don't know the first thing about women. Women are usually innately nurturing and caring. Men who are able to trust a woman enough to show their vulnerable side puts him at an advantage. This is why a lot of narcissists or manipulative men who know this will play the "victim" or pretend to be vulnerable in order to tap into that nurturing side of women.
Bullcrap. Experience teaches wisdom so you know about women from a woman's perspective but they know them from a male's perspective, it's not the same.
@@kingoftheuniverse98 Last I checked men do this just as much, if not more so. Stop dating narcissists and elevate your life.
@@kingoftheuniverse98 Or just fck men at this point since you guys like to complain about women so damn much.
Destiny absolutely crushed this podcast. You could feel the shift in energy when he spoke vs the others.
No he didn't...lol
Destiny just says what sounds good to women...
Destiny loses almost every debate he encounters with REAL DEBATORS like Myron...
@@TheFirephoenix76 Myrion didn't really say anything though. Half of his arguments don't make any sense if you actually paid attention to it.
@@TheFirephoenix76Myrion looks like a chud, nothing he says is backed up by research or reality
He means what he says and lives what he says tbh
Bro, Destiny had some bad moments, but in general he crushed his opponents, he pointed out their logical flaws and fallacies, and exposed their beliefs
It just hit me: fresh and fit and redpill communities are just advocating for relationships where the guy is figuratively a legal guardian and the girl is a child
Adults are not children.
@@bennyboy2446 read between the lines
@@kensha1643 shit flew right over his head
That’s most of redpill people
They wax poetic (I think they're actually incapable of that) about the "good ol' days" and about "traditional roles" and "family values", aka when women were property and had very little to no independence and autonomy and men where the absolute voice of authority in the household. That's why they hate feminism and blame it for all of the social woes of modern society.
I thought I would have never watched a FnF podcast in a million years but it was good to see different ideologies get challenged and people having healthy disagreements. Destiny is really good at arguing his ideas/beliefs and Notsoerudite brought up a lot of amazing points.
I wish they would just lay it out plainly. They want a one-sided open relationship because being faithful is hard, and they wanna be able to do what they wanna do, but they don't want their girl to cheat. They want to have their cake and eat it, too. They try to make it sound so much deeper than it actually is.
Perfectly stated. It also seems like they want to downgrade women and their accomplishments so they don't have to morally feel bad that they are treating another human being so badly.
I actually commend these guys because they are honest. It's true that sticking to one woman is very hard, but the thing is, it's not hard for them only but for almost all men. Most men cheat and are never caught. The few that don't cheat only manage not to because they lack the opportunity. The unfortunate thing is that a lot of women believe that only men who are scumbags cheat. that's why they criticize men who openly say they want to have multiple girlfriends
@@wilts8965 Statistically speaking, most men, married or just dating, do not cheat. The percentage of men who at least admit to cheating falls around 20-25% from recent studies; even if we were to try to adjust for those who were not willing to admit to cheating but still cheated, we could add another 20%, and it still wouldn't be most men. I'll agree with you that for a lot of those who didn't cheat, they just didn't have the opportunity. But many of them make a conscious choice to not have that opportunity to begin with. For instance, in a marriage, if you're actually committed, you're not going to put yourself in situations where you'd be tempted or likely to cheat, like going to the bars/clubs without your spouse frequently, creating an inappropriate relationship with female coworkers, accepting numbers or giving your number to interested women, etc. It's a sacrifice, and it takes work. That's why everyone says marriage is so difficult. So I don't respect Myron at all; Fresh is just a parrot for Myron so I'm not gonna even comment on what he believes. Myron is advocating for a life of shallow, instant gratification with virtually no regard for anyone but himself. He views women as a source of sexual pleasure and to bear children. That's literally it. No one takes priority, ever, over his own carnal needs, and he expects to have a successful "marriage" (put that in quotes cause what he's describing is anything but a marriage) with not just one but four different women. Ok, buddy. See how that plays out in real life; I don't care how much money you have. Also find it funny how he advocates so strongly for this dream world, fantasy setup where he gets to have his cake and eat it, too, and everything goes off without a hitch...but he's in his mid-thirties and appears to never have had a serious, long-term relationship. 🤔 But yet he's always screaming that *women* do not and could not ever know what men want. Dude openly admitted to not caring to please his women during sex. That's actually embarrassing. He's had sex with "hundreds" of women but still has no skills in the bedroom. He's a joke. Nothing to respect about this guy whatsoever, and his plan for all his future wives and constantly cheating on them will 100% blow up in his face.
43:42 was so satisfying. that moment of silence after she brought up a valid point and no one could think of a way to counter was incredible. sneako couldn’t even answer the question without getting immediately defensive. which is funny because her question and line of reasoning was simple. if you are aware that women see sex as an emotional tether to their partner, how are you going to satisfy your s/o emotionally if you’re sleeping with other women thus breaking that emotional connection and possibly giving your partner a reason to cheat? now, someone else’s actions don’t facilitate your own as you have the responsibility of controlling yourself, but if it’s their philosophy that women need to be protected and provided for, how are you “protecting” your woman from the possible appeal of cheating if you’re actively giving her a reason to do so?
You’re coping
The answer is it's up to the woman. If they can't handle a man not giving enough attention and they're gonna cheat because he's too busy to be with them a satisfying amount, then leave and settle for a man that will give you a more average life style but you'll get more attention. Pick your poison.
@@Xxrocknrollgod lolz you just proved her point by your two worded sentence.
@@candytaffy4491 he is coping. No one was silent at all
Sneako said you agree with us lol
2:48:00 - last year my uncle died tragically. I cried and my girlfriend supported me through the period of grief. I can’t imagine dating let alone marrying a woman who’d find that an issue. As melina said, what these people preach isn’t relationships, it’s fuckbuddies…
Imagine you were dating Melina at that time and u call her for support and she doesn t respond cause she is out there somewher f*in random dudes and girls. Thats messed up
@@hercegmario8679 That shit don’t make no sense bruh.
Facts bruh ain’t nothing wrong with crying to your women. After I got out of the military an experience a whole bunch of shit my wife held me down these mf aren’t real men. Especially that light skin nigga lol with the Miami vice shirt on lol.
@@Incrediblewash how Sway
@@hercegmario8679 it wouldn't be your fault but you owe it to yourself to pay attention to who you date so that don't happen
These men and bimbo women speaking for the average normal women make me cringe. They are not the average woman. The average woman is not ok with getting cheated on or being with a dog man with a over 200 body count. Like no way. Women are initiating divorce the most and rather be single now. Men following their "advice" will end up divorced. And as a real Miami person, its not a miami thing, maybe its a LA girl who moved to miami thing.
You missed the big picture. This is only for HVM so why bother fussing about it. Its only like 5% of the male population who can even ask their partner to accept that (Myron says the HVM should tell her upfront, if she says its ok then its not cheating).
Don’t even know why they spend so much time discussing this when most of the population is monogamous (even though both men and vvomen still cheat on each other behind their backs).
The point is not that women are ok with being cheated on.
The actual point is that women don't want their man to cheat, but they want a man who could.
In other words a man who could cheat is inherently attractive because other women want him. The majority of men in a committed relationship cannot cheat because they are not attractive enough to even attract genuine sexual attention. The reason Myron says it's not the same is that women on average, provided she isn't obese or fat are attractive to the majority of men. So women cheating is by no means difficult because many men would gladly have sex with her.
@@ahmarcamacho8404 the ability for a man to cheat has nothing to do with his attractiveness or financial status. every single man on this planet can cheat and would if they wanted to. the reality is women see what another woman has and some of them want to take him. it doesn’t matter if he’s attractive or something, women like to know they can take your man. that’s why when people get in relationships they notice it seems like more people want them as opposed to when they were single
@@cananary nah most men can't cheat most men can't even get laid on the first place 🤣🤣
@@cananary My guy you don't know anything about women lol
This is nuts!!!! Balance is key and having a half invested person in your teamwork does not make a dream work.
These people are insane… they’re saying first you get her emotionally invested-you don’t lead by saying you want a one-sided open relationship, rather it’s a bait and switch. You find someone who can’t replace you as easily as you can replace them. That’s manipulative and dishonest, and the relationship is based on fear. Plus, if the goal is to wife the mid women and fuck the prettiest, then the mid woman you’ve baited into a long term relationship should be easily able to get wifed again. It’s a flawed strategy and I stand by 95% of Destiny’s points here
Cowards. Can’t keep it real because they know it’s wrong
But females go after the men they can't easily replace. That's their end goal. If a girl makes more than her man it usually doesn't last long
Destiny is getting divorced, he lost Melina, his money, his income ( alimony) and his reputation for being smart. He is rather immature in my opinion.
@@georgesontag2192 What?? She paid him back a lot of his money and he doesn’t owe her anything. And he definitely still has his reputation-watch his debate against Cenk
Hear me out, buy a fleshlight and hire a maid , that seems to tick all the boxes these guys want
is the flashlight supposed to help with finding the maid in the dark?
Based
Common misconception, they constantly say that a woman they intend to take seriously needs to provide more than what a maid and a prostitute can. I think these conversations get stupid because they go back and forth between what they’re looking for in just sex and what they’re looking for in serious partners without specifying which they’re currently describing.
When freud asked sneako “do you want just casual sex or something more serious with these other women” sneako said just casual. But when sneako was talking to destiny, he mentioned that this ideology can be tied into religion and used Islam allowing multiple wives as an example. Multiple wives is NOT casual. He contradicted himself
you can tell hes so easily influenced by his peers. his morals and beliefs are so wishy washy, but in the moment he makes it very believable that they aren’t.
thats cuz sneako, is a sheepo
Watching this guy continuously back up his arguments by saying people are "hard-wired" is so fkn challenging. I feel like I'm watching the scenes from Idiocracy where the police keep saying, "this particular individual"
And, that in itself is not a good justification for behavior. It could serve as a possible explanation. You can argue that humans are biologically pre-disposed to do a lot of things, yet we are not slaves to our biology. If we thought that way, the world would be vastly different.
Funny how Fresh and Fit questioned the Asian chick for her one-ended social media take, when it's pretty much perfectly analogous to their one-ended open relationship take
They're consistently self-involved and full of hypocrisy. In their defense, a lot of women are operating in similar fashion.
These guys really need to choose better girlfriends. There are a lot of lovely, down to earth, good looking women out there who are not the kind of obtuse, fickle and shallow people these guys seem to surround themselves with.
Oh no. These guys deserve the girls they have. Don’t push these nuts onto good women.
Exactly!
Yeah, it’s a different type of delusion to complain about the women you purposely seek out…..
You’ll be surprised bro. Even the most innocent looking girls THINK the things fresh n fit refer too. They will just never admit it to the “good/nice guy”. Which you probably are tbh judging by your comment.
Trust me.. good women like that don’t want their shallow asses
Destiny finally says what I’ve been thinking on all these Fresh & Fit podcasts - Destiny at 2:5:55. I don’t think there are a lot of these one-open relationships.” …It’s “celebrity only” scenarios. “It’s like 1% of monogamous relationships.”
He’s right. Their scenario is not for 98% of the male population.
2:18:30 Melina is right. 2:19:48
Fit says:
“You got to let her know she’s replaceable…”
Melina’s response is realistic:
“No, she’s going to divorce you and take your shit.”
Fresh and Fit’s repetitive scenarios only work with the 1% or 2% high value men. It’s like they’re thinking the majority of men are all 6’4”, Andrew Tate high rollers.
The typical decent successful man that gets married to this ideal wife with the low body count they keep describing, even if he’s providing all the security, good father, etc. making six figures, if this typical high value man goes out and has all these women, she’ll say, “You cheated!” Gets divorce, take half of everything!
The entire Fresh and Fit philosophy is based not on the vast majority of men. It’s based on the 2% 30-45, very fit, very handsome, 6’3” millionaires, that they’re all part of in Miami. They’re talking about themselves.
They routinely devalue men say, a 5’8” - 5’10 men which I believe is the average height. And, regardless of beautiful high wage women, the majority of males in the US are more likely to below below 6’ and make below six figures.
The majority of real-world, successful 6-figure + professionals (lawyer, doctor, well-off entrepreneur) who’s great looking, tall and provides security to his beautiful wife will overwhelmingly be facing DIVORCE on her cheating husband if they followed Fredh & Fit’s advice.
Check the stats on this.
The ONLY HV Men who would get away with the scenario of f*cking multiple women, while the young wife at home says “okay” are very very the very few 1%.
That’s why I liked Kevin Samuels more. A divorced person has way more experience and nuanced. That’s why I loved how Kevin talked about class levels. Sorority’s, college etc … like most women don’t even understand class level matters when he brings you around his peers class matters…in the NON CELEBRITY world.
Chest tattoos, works at target just won’t fit in cuz she has a cute face or body. Men actually do like class.
These guys don’t even speak for normal guys most normal guys don’t need TH-cam to get sex. It’s like they give millionaire advice to incels.
@@Qleverett ah yes the sexist fat phobic mysgonistic 🤡
This comment doesn't even ring true for hyper successful men. Tiger Woods' wife divorced him for infidelity, so it just shows that if women can choose, they'll pick monogamous situations
So true, especially with the what they want of a woman stuff. Like I get they’re more of a ‘male oriented channel’ and so tend to talk about things from the ‘male perspective’, but I feel like sometimes they just don’t understand that in a normal world where you’re not so powerful that you don’t have to compensate for other people and their desires, you actually have to … compensate for other people and their wants and needs. Like the body count thing. They really think that if a woman who cared about her body count enough, and about her body, that she would be saving herself well into her 20s would go out with let alone marry them, I have to laugh. What ever happened to values? That woman is likely looking for a guy that mirrors her own values as shared values are conducive to a strong long term relationship. On top of that, they really think that a woman like that is going to save herself for *them* and not even get loyalty from them??? Save herself to get with a man who risks giving her a disease cause he can’t even keep it in his pants?? And yet they have the nerve to say that the lot of women are the ones who don’t live in reality and only live in lala land. Most women don’t care how much “money” or “security” you give when loyalty is free.
Average men in United States doesn’t have a partner because most women won't date average men....1 in 3 men now a days are single and haven’t had sex in last year.That proves women only care about high value men, they only want to date high value men...Fresh and Fit are advising men to become high value men... That's the whole point of Fresh and Fit
On this podcast ...Destiny was on a league of his own.
When Fit says "here's the thing", you know he's about to say some overly-generalized BS.
Or when he says "imma keep it 1000 with you", "facts", or "I don't make the rules", it is universally followed by some fringe nonsense he just made up.
@@krombopulos_michael but they are right in almost everything, just because triggers you doesnt mean that they are wrong
@@railguncs "almost everything", huh?
@@WaitingInVaine yup
@@railguncs They're right about 10-15% of the shit they say, maybe. The rest is BS they're using to make money off the "invisible" men they always refer to.
Funny how all the Dono’s personally insult destiny instead of countering his points, he literally predicted it in the earlier debate.
Because Destiny isn’t attractive conventionally, normal guys who follow him are just going to be losers and we all know it.
Typical for a Dono really
Typical Trump tactic!
Even in the comments here, the only thing people really attack are Destiny is in an open relationship & he’s a video game streamer, two things he does not advocate for. They can never argue against any of his specific points.
Okay but someone made a rather funny and good point. “Destiny’s girl said that it’s not good if women chase a wallet but her man is a millionaire…”
I like how Destiny didn’t laugh in the beginning when everyone else was. I used to laugh with everyone to make them comfortable but these days people aren’t funny they’re rude and their audience is uncomfortable and by default wants to appease. Silence gives you so many answers
Ultimate respect to destiny for that.
Not laughing when something isn’t funny if it’s directed toward insulting someone else shows dominance. Especially if it’s jokes towards being misogynistic, disrespectful or downing a gender or anyone in general
Destiny really destroyed their entire philosophy at 2:00:00. At the end of the day, being able to rise above our animal instincts is what makes us better than animals. The three stooges might not want to admit it, but part of being a functional adult is not spending all your time self-gratifying.
LOL destiny brought his blue haired wife and mutually open relationship onto the fresh and fit show knowing what they are about. That is a real G move.
Unironically Destiny is the only alpha on the panel and yes i dickride him and yes he's a cuck
None of these guys would stand behind something they enjoy but would get made fun for. They would buckle. I know a rich young guy who bought a fiat abarth, his friends made fun of him bc it's a small girly car, he sold it a week later and bought an audi.
Same energy from these guys
The commentary at 1:08:00 about a woman investing in your true value not monetary value legitimately made me break into tears because that truly is the deep connection that pushes my existence forward. I had that at one point, and look forward in hopes I'll find it again. I've drifted away from that in search of fleeting pleasures from hookups because it helps me avoid the fear that I'll never have intimacy like that again. And that's not how I want to continue living my life. Goddammit I wasn't expecting to get smacked in the face with a reality check this morning
I’m sure you’ll find it again mate, just try and be as open to life, and do your best to not let fear stop you from taking the risks. Good luck mate
At least you had it at one point in your life. I NEVER had that from a woman and I don't know if I ever will bro. I ain't sad about it tho. I have to make the best of my life. I only got one.
Good luck man! Your comment put me in tears
Tatakae!!!
Keep your head up king!
Myron's favorite repeated phrases are:
* Chivalry is dead and women killed it".
" men and women are not the same"
" Here's the thing"
" The reality is this"
And my favorite of all,
" Since the beginning of human time". ( As if he is a 10,000-year-old Somalian vampire and has been there since the beginning).
🤣
LMFAO
I wouldn't even want a girl who would allow me to step outside of the relationship. Shows no commitment. Keep your failed relationships to yourself.
Is LeBron's marriage a failure?
Thank you! If you or your partner are okay with the other fucking other people, they’re not yours lol.
myron "open ended on one side keeps the woman docile because she knows she can be replaced"
then, 10 minutes later, erudite: how can your woman feel secure if she knows you're looking to replace her
sneako and myron: no i dont want to replace her she has no reason to feel insecure
lmao
No he said her feeling insecure is good but doesn't mean they are looking to replace their main girl.
Would like to say personally I am not interested in these open ended relationship models but as a man you still have to walk the same path to dictate the relationship and get the girl you want. Must self improve in all facets.
You missed the arguement. Good job
@@mitchrapp5214 If she is insecure that you are gonna leave, then she is not secure, it's pretty straighforward bro.
Myron constantly uses vague words like "security" and "provide" so he can change what he means when people show him the inherent contradictions in the shit he says.
@@at5203 I would need a timestamp honestly. I understood their points at the time and felt Destiny was conflating.
For example Destiny wasn't aware women are attracted to men that other women find attractive. Basic social proof.
He has many glaring gaps in his knowledge like this.
@@mitchrapp5214 Let's make it simple, Myron did or din't say that women need to feel like they are insecure that a guy will stay with them to be on their best behaviour?
Mad respect to destiny for acknowledging he was cutting off his girl.
The things their chat PAYS MONEY to say is mind blowing