I'd absolutely take the F40 if I am choosing an investment or if I am trying to win a race, but if I am just choosing a car to drive on city streets and highways (and if resale values aren't an issue), I'd prefer to have a Testarossa. Maybe I've become a middle aged fuddy duddy, but to me, a comfortable and gorgeous Pinin penned GT sounds like a dream come true.
@@quattrocam I've always dreamed of driving an F40. I've only driven 6 Ferrari s and the last one was 488. They say don't meet your heros, but I have enjoyed every nsx ( r and l) hand drive r32, R34 bunches of Porschees, some lambos , but never had the chance to drive an F40. I pick, obviously, the F40.
"Fraud" is a bit harsh. It had 385hp, 181mph top speed, and 0-60 in the low 5s. On top of that, the Testarossa is absolutely stunning; one of the best looking cars ever.
Well when its barely fast enough to outrun an air cooled bug it should handle the curves. I mean, its literally too slow to kick the rear sideways coming out of a curve 😂😂😂
And they are amazingly spacious, comfortable and easy to drive GT's. I love driving them. Also they are quite reliable and not that expensive to maintain.
The 1st iteration or the 512 tr. I hear the 1st one is easy to drive, but the 512 tr the clutch is super hard. This true. I really want a 512 tr just because it's my childhood dream car.
@@damianlindsey6177 didn't matter, chassis and tires weren't really sophisticated enough to do that anyway. It has all the power it could handle. It also wasn't intended for that kind of driving; high end GTs are made for comfortably covering as much distance as possible, not driving like an idiot. It was the fastest car around at the time though There's been a lot of progress since then.
@@FirssenSimracing This is not exactly true either. Ferrari already had some rear-mid engine race cars at the time of the Miura, but he didn't want to put rear-mid engine layouts in the hands of the public because he didn't think the average Ferrari owner would be able to handle it. It wasn't until the Miura's runaway success that he started developing the mid-engine BB, but it was always supposed to be a direct successor to other Ferrari gran turismo models like the 275 GTB, rather than a race car for the road like the 250 GTO, and later 288 GTO and F40
People say the F40 is peak Ferrari, but I think it’s the 512 TR. No others quite captures the emotion and beauty that is Ferrari like the Testarossa does. I personally think the F40 doesn’t look too good (don’t get me wrong, it’s still a Ferrari, but it’s just my opinion), but the Testarossa certainly does. The wide rear end with those beautiful tail lights, and the sound of that massive engine sitting behind your head. If I was given the choice, I would always pick Testarossa.
"Testarossa" and "Easy to drive" don't really belong in the same sentence. The car didn't even have power steering... At low, city speeds, it's a nightmare to operate.
Whoever thoughz the Testarossa was lame or boring, could drag his to Koenig and get it some punch, up to 800hp. On the other hand: a car reaching 290 is still way faster than 99% of todays range, but this one will always be a visual icon, recognizable by many details, and its silhouette. Something that 99% of all other cars cannot claim. So, the TR is the neatest fake of all times.
The Lamborghini Countach’s rear spoiler was for aesthetic appeal only, it served no use as an aerodynamic aid and produced no downforce at all, in fact it produced drag and slowed the car
For 99.99% of the real world the original Testarossa did all you want and looked great. Though we may think we are racers most have nowhere near the balls or ability to drive a fast car fast. A supercar fraud is what we needed and got and would be my Ferrari of choice to this day. NB please note this isn't actually correct I'd rather have a 80's gto, a 70's 512bb, or a f50 i that order before a Testarossa but i still really like the original, but not the shitty facelift ones.
It's hard to believe my stock 4-cylinder Hyundai will do 0 to 60 a second quicker than a Testarossa ( and smoke it on the track). That's progress for you✔️👍😀
It is daft to think that even early 2000 supercars are now being beaten by even mid level hot hatch let alone high performance EV’s, thank god they sound amazing 😂🙏
It was Billy Gates and some other bloke that created that legislation, the show and tell import and the 25 year import because of Bill's Porsche 959, nice video though.
@@quattrocam The 'Show or Display' rule (the SoD) is because of lobbying that began when Bill Gates and his fellow Microsoft founder Paul Allen bought a pair of brand new 959s that were both confiscated and held prisoner in impound for over a decade. The only legal alternative to this limbo was mandatory destruction of the cars as illegal contraband. However, unlike the SoD rule, the 25-year rule to exempt historical cars was written into the original bill that became the IVSCA (ie, the Imported Vehicle Safety Compliance Act of 1988). It wouldn't have made sense to prohibit Americans from buying prewar collector's cars because they hadn't been crash-tested. It's important to remember what the intent was behind getting the law passed. The IVSCA was not a popular law and was itself the result of special interest lobbying. American dealers who were authorized to sell European sportscars that had been factory built to U.S. spec were losing business. In the 1980s you could save around $10k if you imported a Euro-spec car via the gray market and privately converted the car yourself (aka 'federalized' it) to make it street legal. That'd be a savings of nearly $30k in today's money. The IVSCA was mainly intended protect the profits of U.S. Mercedes dealerships. The very first use of the SoD import exception was an XJ220 bought in 1999 by a friend of a friend who lives in my hometown. He's also got an XKSS.
@@Sedici-Competizione I don't think it was *_literally_* in a shipping container for years. That was merely a bit of hyperbole to make a story slightly more dramatic. However, it did remain in long term storage at a Foreign Trade Zone (FTZ) for 13 years. An FTZ is a secured area near a designated customs port of entry which is physically located within the U.S. but is legally considered to be outside the U.S. - rather like how the land occupied by an embassy is officially considered to be foreign territory.
@@Sedici-Competizione according to an article on rennlist he spent 13 years fighting to get it out of customs on a special exception to the 25 year rule 🤯
And thats the early models, the wing and additional body work of the later cars certainly added drag, the wing alone initially took 10mph off the cars top speed.
Incredible video as always, and also i'm pretty sure the testarossa had a Flat V12 engine, so what i've heard it's that the engine block was 180 degrees like a flat engine, but the cylinders ''move'' like on a V configuration, idk if that's true or not but awesome video either way, love the testarossa and always wished for more videos about it
Thank you & it did 😁 the last Ferrari to have one, it came from the Daytona’s V12 but had the 180 degree banks like you said, it was a lot of fun to make, easy to see why the Testarossa and Countach are held in such high regard, trail blazers 🚀
Watch the silverstate classics with i believe 1989 with the big red camaro. Those testarossas were hitting 197mph and several other over 190mph. Didnt have much off the line but once rolling with mot so much hp, they were fast.
Considering what a torture chamber the interior of the countach could be especially if you're tall accepting the so-called penalty of the comfy interior of the testarossa doesn't seem like such a terrible sentence don't get me wrong the countach is cool but I saw one in person and looked inside and I was like oh shit and ouch
Jason Cammisa also did a good video on the Testarossa, and how it was more of a GT car. I didn't have it, or the Countach on my bedroom wall. I had a Porsche 959 on my bedroom wall in the 80's. Thanks.
Excellent video. Objective and on the point. I like both testarossa (all variations) and the F40, although I find testarossa more classy. Thank you and godspeed.
Not trying to start an argument, but I have to respectfully disagree. "Boxer" is a nickname for all flat engines because the pistons look like they are "punching" like a boxer. It has nothing to do with the crank. When was the last time you saw a boxer throw punches with both fists outward at the same time? The moment someone says "Its not a Boxer because technically speaking...", they are making a "technical" argument over something thats not technical at all. Because nicknames are informal by nature.
So even though it looks slick as shit, can hit 180mph, and can corner a thousand times better than a normal car, it wasn't a supercar because it was comfortable to drive? 😆
The Bb/Testarossa was not born as a supercar. They were born as GT cars. If you look at the industry at the time, the Porsche 959, the Ferrari F40, the Bugatti EB 110 and later the McLaren F1 were the first supercars in history.
I never liked Testarossa. For me 328 and especially 348 were superior in terms of looks. Square end of Testarossa even as a kid looked to me like out of place. Never understood its fame.
@@sabataskull9661 In my childhood it was already Turbo OutRun with F40 and Lotus Turbo Challenge 2 with Elan and Esprit. I completely missed Testarossa era. For me it was just an old and odd looking Ferrari.
hmm so would your Camaro actually, its 4 wheel drive which offers a hell of a shove off the line, plus the turbo offers the power low down off the RPM line, so it gives an instant shove, mind you once its up to highway speed, its out of puff at 90 like all GM shitboxes of the era thanks to its 3 speed auto or the doug nash 4 plus 3 that holds gears for maxium fuel economy despite the protests of the owner hence why transmission swapping became a big thing and yours is probably aerodynamically limited to about a 120, a 130 with heavy front end lift, poor brakes, recirculating ball steering and polyglass tires while the ferrari's good for a 160 with stable aerodynamics, good brakes, rack and pinion steering, and highly rated pirelli tires that can actually take the heat, and hold the road, hence why the people who have them love them, and if its an updated model, one of the latter ones, you might loose in the 0 to 60 if the drivers fast enough too as sometimes, its not about what some idiot in a magazine says about it, its about how it drives
If you could only choose one?
Testarossa
or
F40 (th-cam.com/video/pecUGKr_LmI/w-d-xo.html)
I'd absolutely take the F40 if I am choosing an investment or if I am trying to win a race, but if I am just choosing a car to drive on city streets and highways (and if resale values aren't an issue), I'd prefer to have a Testarossa. Maybe I've become a middle aged fuddy duddy, but to me, a comfortable and gorgeous Pinin penned GT sounds like a dream come true.
Testarossa of course
@@quattrocam I've always dreamed of driving an F40. I've only driven 6 Ferrari s and the last one was 488. They say don't meet your heros, but I have enjoyed every nsx ( r and l) hand drive r32, R34 bunches of Porschees, some lambos , but never had the chance to drive an F40. I pick, obviously, the F40.
Honestly I'd do the Testarossa just for the pure cruzing. For super car, I'd actually want the 288GTO
F40 LM
"Fraud" is a bit harsh. It had 385hp, 181mph top speed, and 0-60 in the low 5s. On top of that, the Testarossa is absolutely stunning; one of the best looking cars ever.
It sure is a beautiful machine 🙏
I think it looks better than the F-40 that's for damn sure ...the F-40 looks like something the Matchbox Cars would make 😆
I had owned Testarossa. Despite the size, high center gravity and other critics, it was nimble on mountain road.
Well when its barely fast enough to outrun an air cooled bug it should handle the curves. I mean, its literally too slow to kick the rear sideways coming out of a curve 😂😂😂
And they are amazingly spacious, comfortable and easy to drive GT's. I love driving them. Also they are quite reliable and not that expensive to maintain.
@@damianlindsey6177 Have you been in one? they don't feel under-powered at all.
The 1st iteration or the 512 tr. I hear the 1st one is easy to drive, but the 512 tr the clutch is super hard. This true. I really want a 512 tr just because it's my childhood dream car.
@@damianlindsey6177 didn't matter, chassis and tires weren't really sophisticated enough to do that anyway. It has all the power it could handle. It also wasn't intended for that kind of driving; high end GTs are made for comfortably covering as much distance as possible, not driving like an idiot. It was the fastest car around at the time though There's been a lot of progress since then.
It is a gradtourer, not a "supercar"...so it is as fake as this video 😉
Grand tourer is cruising cross countries in luxury and enough power
Mid engined grandtourer?? Whaaa
GTs can be supercars, so this video’s premise and title seem silly
The BB-Testarossa lineage was not conceived as a supercar.
It is the rest of the planet that thought it was.
Not exactly.
365BB was made to be competition for Miura but then they made 512BB with bigger engine, less power and that was GT car.
@@FirssenSimracing This is not exactly true either. Ferrari already had some rear-mid engine race cars at the time of the Miura, but he didn't want to put rear-mid engine layouts in the hands of the public because he didn't think the average Ferrari owner would be able to handle it. It wasn't until the Miura's runaway success that he started developing the mid-engine BB, but it was always supposed to be a direct successor to other Ferrari gran turismo models like the 275 GTB, rather than a race car for the road like the 250 GTO, and later 288 GTO and F40
I don’t care whether it’s a “super car” or not it is and always will be my favourite Ferrari.
Enzo was an Old Man by this time and wanted a comfortable car. The TT was a GT car
I have never heard that it's supposed to be a supercar...
It wasn’t meant to be, it’s just content for a video in an attempt to be informative and controversial For the sake of likes and subs.
People say the F40 is peak Ferrari, but I think it’s the 512 TR. No others quite captures the emotion and beauty that is Ferrari like the Testarossa does. I personally think the F40 doesn’t look too good (don’t get me wrong, it’s still a Ferrari, but it’s just my opinion), but the Testarossa certainly does. The wide rear end with those beautiful tail lights, and the sound of that massive engine sitting behind your head. If I was given the choice, I would always pick Testarossa.
512TR is shit, 84 Testarossa is eternal
"Testarossa" and "Easy to drive" don't really belong in the same sentence.
The car didn't even have power steering... At low, city speeds, it's a nightmare to operate.
Whoever thoughz the Testarossa was lame or boring, could drag his to Koenig and get it some punch, up to 800hp.
On the other hand: a car reaching 290 is still way faster than 99% of todays range, but this one will always be a visual icon, recognizable by many details, and its silhouette. Something that 99% of all other cars cannot claim.
So, the TR is the neatest fake of all times.
The Lamborghini Countach’s rear spoiler was for aesthetic appeal only, it served no use as an aerodynamic aid and produced no downforce at all, in fact it produced drag and slowed the car
I repaired the frame on a testarossa... I was appalled to see it was built using 1x2 rectangular steel tubing.
Crazy good editing on this video mate. Cheers!
For 99.99% of the real world the original Testarossa did all you want and looked great. Though we may think we are racers most have nowhere near the balls or ability to drive a fast car fast. A supercar fraud is what we needed and got and would be my Ferrari of choice to this day. NB please note this isn't actually correct I'd rather have a 80's gto, a 70's 512bb, or a f50 i that order before a Testarossa but i still really like the original, but not the shitty facelift ones.
It's hard to believe my stock 4-cylinder Hyundai will do 0 to 60 a second quicker than a Testarossa ( and smoke it on the track). That's progress for you✔️👍😀
Sonny Crockett.made Ferrari cool I say
0-60mph in 6sec... It's amazing how far we've come. My Tesla Model Y Performance a 'commuter' vehicle does it in 3.5.
It is daft to think that even early 2000 supercars are now being beaten by even mid level hot hatch let alone high performance EV’s, thank god they sound amazing 😂🙏
Fun fact Michael Jackson had a testarossa spider in black!
I was in a yellow on yellow with white wheels in 2002. Ya there slow, but so damn cool.
Slow? Are you living in fast forward or something? It’s still way far above the average car and probably always will be
Damn! Great channel and content!! For once I got in early-ish!! Thanks!
Thank you, really appreciate it 🙏
great video, lots of good info. I didn't learn about the M version until 2 years ago.
It was Billy Gates and some other bloke that created that legislation, the show and tell import and the 25 year import because of Bill's Porsche 959, nice video though.
Really? That’s very interesting, we definitely need to look into that 👍
@@quattrocam The 'Show or Display' rule (the SoD) is because of lobbying that began when Bill Gates and his fellow Microsoft founder Paul Allen bought a pair of brand new 959s that were both confiscated and held prisoner in impound for over a decade. The only legal alternative to this limbo was mandatory destruction of the cars as illegal contraband.
However, unlike the SoD rule, the 25-year rule to exempt historical cars was written into the original bill that became the IVSCA (ie, the Imported Vehicle Safety Compliance Act of 1988). It wouldn't have made sense to prohibit Americans from buying prewar collector's cars because they hadn't been crash-tested. It's important to remember what the intent was behind getting the law passed.
The IVSCA was not a popular law and was itself the result of special interest lobbying. American dealers who were authorized to sell European sportscars that had been factory built to U.S. spec were losing business. In the 1980s you could save around $10k if you imported a Euro-spec car via the gray market and privately converted the car yourself (aka 'federalized' it) to make it street legal. That'd be a savings of nearly $30k in today's money. The IVSCA was mainly intended protect the profits of U.S. Mercedes dealerships.
The very first use of the SoD import exception was an XJ220 bought in 1999 by a friend of a friend who lives in my hometown. He's also got an XKSS.
I remember reading about that a long time ago, wasn’t bill gates 959 stuck in a shipping container for a long time because of import laws?
@@Sedici-Competizione I don't think it was *_literally_* in a shipping container for years.
That was merely a bit of hyperbole to make a story slightly more dramatic. However, it did remain in long term storage at a Foreign Trade Zone (FTZ) for 13 years.
An FTZ is a secured area near a designated customs port of entry which is physically located within the U.S. but is legally considered to be outside the U.S. - rather like how the land occupied by an embassy is officially considered to be foreign territory.
@@Sedici-Competizione according to an article on rennlist he spent 13 years fighting to get it out of customs on a special exception to the 25 year rule 🤯
And thats the early models, the wing and additional body work of the later cars certainly added drag, the wing alone initially took 10mph off the cars top speed.
Incredible video as always, and also i'm pretty sure the testarossa had a Flat V12 engine, so what i've heard it's that the engine block was 180 degrees like a flat engine, but the cylinders ''move'' like on a V configuration, idk if that's true or not but awesome video either way, love the testarossa and always wished for more videos about it
Thank you & it did 😁 the last Ferrari to have one, it came from the Daytona’s V12 but had the 180 degree banks like you said, it was a lot of fun to make, easy to see why the Testarossa and Countach are held in such high regard, trail blazers 🚀
Yep, correct.
he literally said that in the video... plus its tecinically a 180 degreeV12
@@joshuawrighton-briggs7120 Yeah that's what being a Flat V12 means
Watch the silverstate classics with i believe 1989 with the big red camaro. Those testarossas were hitting 197mph and several other over 190mph. Didnt have much off the line but once rolling with mot so much hp, they were fast.
My dad had a 512BB in the 70's It was a 512 Berlinetta Boxer, I remember reading in the hand book
Considering what a torture chamber the interior of the countach could be especially if you're tall accepting the so-called penalty of the comfy interior of the testarossa doesn't seem like such a terrible sentence don't get me wrong the countach is cool but I saw one in person and looked inside and I was like oh shit and ouch
Jason Cammisa also did a good video on the Testarossa, and how it was more of a GT car. I didn't have it, or the Countach on my bedroom wall. I had a Porsche 959 on my bedroom wall in the 80's. Thanks.
We plan to cover the 959 very soon ☺️🙏
The wing added drag on the Countach & the US spec BUMPER wasn't a real wing,
only the Walter Wolff Countach's wing improved the car's aerodynamics
Excellent video.
Objective and on the point.
I like both testarossa (all variations) and the F40, although I find testarossa more classy.
Thank you and godspeed.
Thank you, appreciate you taking the time to watch and the nice comment 🙏☺️
4:40 It was easy to drive? Car magazines said the clutch really stiff and the seat were hard as church pews.
I will take one of these fake super cars any day of the week sir.
They're all good to me. Driving is driving.
The Porsche 959 was the first "supercar." This was an "exotic."
We will be covering the first supercar (Lambo Miura) soon 👍
Don't bad mouth my dream car 😭
Anybody who thinks the F40 is the peak of Ferrari hasn't heard a F50 go screaming past
And if they haven’t they will in a little over 1 weeks time 🏎️ the V12 will roar
Jackson, Fox, Jordan, all the Michaels
The Countach was 0.42cd DAMN, I thought it was in the high 0.3's
The BB also isn't a Berlinetta, it's MR. Hot take? The BB is a WAY better-looking car!
Still my ultimate car, sublime
great video, man!
the only Ferrari that I have been in- a low slung Mercedes
Not trying to start an argument, but I have to respectfully disagree. "Boxer" is a nickname for all flat engines because the pistons look like they are "punching" like a boxer. It has nothing to do with the crank. When was the last time you saw a boxer throw punches with both fists outward at the same time? The moment someone says "Its not a Boxer because technically speaking...", they are making a "technical" argument over something thats not technical at all. Because nicknames are informal by nature.
Except the flat 12 pistons don't look like they are boxing.....
Still my favorite
So even though it looks slick as shit, can hit 180mph, and can corner a thousand times better than a normal car, it wasn't a supercar because it was comfortable to drive? 😆
Still love it the most
" I worked for Mr beast. He's fraud " ah video 💀
The Bb/Testarossa was not born as a supercar. They were born as GT cars. If you look at the industry at the time, the Porsche 959, the Ferrari F40, the Bugatti EB 110 and later the McLaren F1 were the first supercars in history.
Those were the first hypercars, Miura & the Countach were the first supercars
1 of my favorite Ferrari. The other 2 are 288 GTO & F50. F40 is ugly
Thanks
Good work!🎉
0:17 why is video mirrored?
I never liked Testarossa. For me 328 and especially 348 were superior in terms of looks. Square end of Testarossa even as a kid looked to me like out of place. Never understood its fame.
Miami vice tv series, Out run video game & a really pretty car to look.
Testarrosa is cool .
@@sabataskull9661 In my childhood it was already Turbo OutRun with F40 and Lotus Turbo Challenge 2 with Elan and Esprit. I completely missed Testarossa era. For me it was just an old and odd looking Ferrari.
kisluxbag versace bag is so cute
I love this car .
Of course it got hot! Like BB 😉😜
Not everyone had it as a poster car.
I had a Countach on my wall, never liked any of the Ferrari's.
What a loser
There is no such thing as supercar.
And then it got smoked by a gmc syclone 6 cylinder truck lmao!
It was the 348 not the Testarossa. 348 was the worst Ferrari ever made.
@@OCDRex11 oh my bad it would smoke them both anyways 🤣
@@Thumper68 cyclone was a 3.8l v6 tyvm
@@HansBelphegor actually it’s a 4.3 liter and that was a typo i made I meant 6 not 4
hmm so would your Camaro actually, its 4 wheel drive which offers a hell of a shove off the line, plus the turbo offers the power low down off the RPM line, so it gives an instant shove, mind you once its up to highway speed, its out of puff at 90 like all GM shitboxes of the era thanks to its 3 speed auto or the doug nash 4 plus 3 that holds gears for maxium fuel economy despite the protests of the owner
hence why transmission swapping became a big thing
and yours is probably aerodynamically limited to about a 120, a 130 with heavy front end lift, poor brakes, recirculating ball steering and polyglass tires
while the ferrari's good for a 160 with stable aerodynamics, good brakes, rack and pinion steering, and highly rated pirelli tires that can actually take the heat, and hold the road, hence why the people who have them love them,
and if its an updated model, one of the latter ones, you might loose in the 0 to 60 if the drivers fast enough too
as sometimes, its not about what some idiot in a magazine says about it, its about how it drives
Is it really a fraud for being a luxury Sports car though?
No
Its not at supercar
All dat kislux bags sssssoooooooo gorgeous
tr all day
Tooth
Please just stop with the idiotic whooshing sounds already!
Yeah we maybe got a but whoosh mad....sorry...lesson learnt :)
ugly car. Crockett shouldve stayed with the Daytona.
The Daytona was fake.
In black it is best. No discussion. Bear Beets Battlestar Galacktica.