Anger at Putin after conscripts 'surrender en masse' in Kursk | Ian Garner
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- The Kremlin is working to dampen anger towards Putin from Kursk residents and conscripts families, Ian Garner, Professor at the Pilecki Institute in Warsaw, tells Frontline on #timesradio
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Several things gave me confidence as a soldier: my leaders knew what they were doing, the food was good, my weapons and equipment worked, and if I got injured I would be in surgery faster than a civilian would be in city life. Russian soldiers can’t tick any of those boxes.
There is no recent military conflict the US has engaged in that had clear military (or political) goals. The difference is that you could be confident that your leaders were interested in keeping you alive
Your leaders? If you became a soldier - you are a follower. They never know. Food? Unhealthy with dangerous amounts of c-h and p. In real combat - when wounded - your forehead will be marked with a Y or N. Most soldiers are wounded liabilities and get an N on their forehead. That’s reality since the beginnings of war.
You spelt Ukraine incorrectly. The Russian military is better equipped and care for their personnel as well as, or better than what you experienced.
Early on in the conflict in 2022, Ukrainian soldiers were abandoned by their leaders leaving them without food, ammo and medical supplies. Injured soldiers were left for days in trenches. Many died waiting for treatment.
Many others suffered from frostbite.
Stop getting your info from CNN that spreads propaganda [that Hussein Obama made legal] not news.
@@trninfanyes because they cared and even if they didnt the public did so if they wanted to win the next election they had to
Times Radio only brings a big smile to my face. There is so much information available that contradicts with proof that Times Radio is only spreading misinformation to keep the brain washed willing to support the MIC with they hard earned tax money for as long as possible. But it only matters what will happen in the end, and that is Ukraine's unconditional surrender. It's only a matter of time. You will see. Even if you believe Times Radio now.
I feel so sorry for all these young people being thrown into a meat-grinder by a megalomaniac criminal who couldn't care less about his own people.
dying because of an uncaring monster with delusions of grandeur. russians totally brainwashed by propaganda.
Yes, Zelensky has to go.
@@luke7bennervlad started this war, he’s the one responsible.
@@luke7benner zelenski wasn't even in politics when the war started in 2014
@wh1st The U.S. coup led to Zelensky, which led to war.
No honor, fame, or glory fighting for Putin in Ukraine.
Russian people honor their country not like us in the west we honor the dollar
@@draza-x4b
They don't honor their country. They are afraid to speak out because Putin, an ex-KGB agent, engages in Soviet methods to silence anyone who speaks ill of him or his policies. The citizens in the States do honor their country. It is the rich folks, who honor the dollar (and power) more then their country.
But, try again wise Betty Bot.
Save yourself conscripts. Don't be Putin's cannon fodder.
Save themselves ... how?
Ukraine could offer Ukrainian passports the people of Kursk, and any Russian soldiers that want to become Ukrainian citizens in the Kursk oblast of greater Ukraine.
@@johndoe-ss9bz They could also potentially negotiate with another country to have them go there.
If they stayed in Ukraine, I suspect they'd either be sitting ducks or end up being asked to fight for Ukraine...
Just say you don't have any idea what 'conscript' means, chances are decent that they never wanted to be involved in this way.
@@johnhough7738 Surrender if you can.
What you have to offer any soldier is honesty and a good cause. Russia offers neither.
Russia only offer inflation to Russians😔
These are not soldiers, they are CONSCRIPTS. Russia does not deploy Conscripts into fights. Its essentially civilians. Thats why they took so much ground.
@@stephenlyon1358
I believe you're confused.
@@stephenlyon1358 They probably have more training than most Russian soldier though😂 Conscript have gone through military training "boot camp". Most mobilized men do not
@@dpelpal You are again not accepting that Ukraine walked into an undefended area with troops it needed for the east.
Blessings, peace and luck from California to Ukraine. 🙏🙏☮🍀💛💙
A-MEN!
This 3 day special operation has turned into an utter nightmare for putin
I remember when he scream "Kyiv in THREE DAYS!" on TV.
@@dpelpalAaah but he like to forget that!
Now he says" All going according to plan"
@dpelpal I remember that one very arrogant Russia 1 tv pundit screaming "two days". Ha ha 😂 😆 🤣 😄 😅
Now they are saying, "Pokrovsk in three months!"
Let's be honest after 200 Billion USD and 50 countries sending in weapons 😮 common you haven't stop them in 3 years fools.
The people in Kursk wants to be Ukrainian so why should the soldiers fights against them?
Old maps show Kursk is part of Ukkraine.
Pooty doesnt care what people want.
Do they?
Who says they did? The civilians x’s choose to evacuate Simple from fear alone, but we haven’t heard is a single Kurskan civilian casualty by the Ukrainians
@@admiralbenbow5083 I am so glad we have Bidens, Bushes, Kamalas, Borises and the rest of the mob who are careing so dearly they would put their life down.
Or maybe NOT🤔
Yes. It is difficult to motivate troops who have been deceived to fight in a cause for which they have no sympathy or belief in.
Yeah, they're basically fighting for Putin's ego. Not going to win many hearts and minds that way.
What is so difficult simple the west keeps on encroaching near to Russian border amid broken promises NATO would not Ukraine boycotted any attempts at talks have you ever heard of Minsk accord me thinks not .
Years ago, I sat under a tree in Tajikistan having lunch, watching a very long freight train shipping badly battered tanks from Afghanistan back to Russia. Their former crews were clearly not well. Sane old, same old.....
That must have been some travel adventure? Did you write ✍️ an book about it?
Thank you for your coverage
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Don't ruin 🏴 with this trash 🇬🇧
Dont blame them ! What idiot would die for putin !?
When old men send young ones to the wars the consequences of which they will never live to experience...
Especially with the losses my Russia has. over 500,000 men.....Ukraine only have 1/5th of that
I saw an obituary for a 62 year old from Osa Perm Krai so they're not all young
@@dpelpalactually it is ~621,500 dead and ~1.864,600 wounded russians.
@@zeffe0528 I no longer watch the television here in Russ because it is all "propaganda" talking
"It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no senator's son
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate one, no"
Name a single country in the world that lost territory to a foreign invader and then just kind of said, "Meh".
France?
To be fair,France at least did fight for a few weeks.
😂😂
@@KillerBill1953They fought until it was clear the Germans were going to steam-roll them in a hot war. Then they began one of the most successful underground resistance movements in history. Its fair to say that the invasion of Normandy would not have been possible without the help of the French Resistance. Let’s not bruise the French egos more than we have to, ok?
There was a big difference between the military commanders in France (who would rather be German allies) and the French people who would rather not be German subjects. A number of countries in Europe had that problem.
The key motivation for getting army volunteers is telling them it's a war of DEFENSE, (when it's really a war of aggression).
Putin tried…. He said they were fighting nazis…. Literally said we are fighting nazis and facism in Ukraine….. lol just nobody believes him 🤡 🤡!
The thing that I always think about is that the invasion was supposed to be the easy part. The occupation was always going to be harder. So if the Russians can’t even do the easy part, they got no chance of winning this thing.
People have realised these days that wars are power grabbing games for the rich and the common man is just cannon fodder.
Nope.
“These days?” Hasn’t that been almost universally true throughout all of human history?
@@ero1220
Pretty much. Always some nobility or rich man gets insulted or wants something the other man has. Always taking their personal desires and finding a way to make the poor think it is for their best interest (or flat out forcing them to do it). Case and point: Civil War was 100% about slavery. (Their declarations of succession say so). Yet they convinced the lower classes it was about states rights and their own benefits.
I think the problem is the actual Russian army is dead and buried in east Ukraine
These cadets aren't going to die for a man who they all despise
Saved, might comeback to laugh at you when they take Baltics from nato.
@@평양시1 That is not going to happen
@@평양시12 month old account
@@kevinbailey3384Oh I assure you it will, remember this.
@@nicklindberg90 How original, good bot!
Because their not soldiers are they, plucked from the streets to die for a lunatic.
you talk of Zels soul hunters, right?
Putin and his cronies are toast, as is the Russian media. 🇬🇧
I hope so, but I would never underestimate the Russians. They have two major advantages: the numbers and absolutely no sense of responsibility.
The odds are, their media will live on, just as Fox has here.
Those poor kids. Being sent to be slaughtered for no reason whatsoever. Poo Tin is disgusting.
You believe this rotten news channel they cannot look at themselves in the mirror
Thr entire road to Moscow is defended by not by real soldiers. Ukraine could easily get to Moscow and create a REAL problem for russia.
I am in Samara, I hope they come here! I do not to support mr. putin and I would welcome, much like resident of Kursk
It's a fantasy one the reasons armies often lose is because they can't maintain their supply lines..that's actually why the Germans lost at Stalingrad
@@dpelpal You know that won't happen but I hope you get your freedom from Moscow to live in peace .
@@rickmoore3730 no I am 400 KM south to Moscow. In Samara many oppose this war. But in Kazan there is military base
Ukrainians don’t want this war. They are defending their land. If Russia leaves Ukraine, Ukraine will gladly leave Russia. 🇺🇦
An army needs to believe in the cause to fight and win a war. What is Russia fighting for? Essentially, for Putin's greater glory. There may be some who would willingly lay their lives down for that, but not many.
I agree with you in principle, but for large parts Russia used mercenaries, be-it in the form of Wagner or the convicts
Even they aren't happy. Some of them have deserted
The U.S. figured out in Vietnam that using draftees, conscripts by a different name, in a conflict that does not have wide spread public support ends up being far more of a problem than a benefit. Which is why we moved to an all volunteer army in 1973.
Basically, to be an effective soldier you have to be more focused on fighting the enemy than in avoiding conflict as much as possible. And draftees who aren't there of their own volition don't make the best fighting force. So, it does not surprise me that Russian conscripts are surrendering when given the opportunity. Why wouldn't they?
Actually the army discovered to their suprise not much difference between conscripts and volunteers.
The problem was that the public and soldiers stop believing in that war.
Vietnam war and invasion of Ukraine is a little similar in a sense that both Russian and American has nothing to gain and everything to lose in the war(Russian even more so because of many families ties in Ukraine). So conscription is a disaster, unlike in, say WW1 where the French, despite mutinies and stuff, still fights on because their home is being invaded.
@@anantachonnambat6701 the N V A invaded the south before we got there ! get it stright !
@anantachonnambat6701 I disagree, it's important for us in the US to understand Ukraine MUST win, for our own National Security. Putin wants to get the old band back together, the Soviet Union, and take over most or all of Europe. This is disastrous for us. Ukrainians are fighting this war for ourselves, and in the process, keeping our troops NOT THERE. We must supply these brave young soldiers with whatever they need, along with other NATO countries, to keep Putin in his own country, period.
And why THAT Army is more likely to follow Trump a mixed-bag draft/pro Army would. Just one more thing to concern regarding Project 2025.
My goodness, your evaluation must be upsetting the russian bots, loads of negative feedback here!
Why would anyone give their life for this idiotic war?
Sixty to seventy percent chances of survival in war. Facing the dictator for refusing to go there is none. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.😮
Because they have no option
Being lied to about what it's about. Being lied to about payments to their family if they don't make it home. Being lied to about how long they'll have to fight. A propaganda engine that's been running for like a decade trying to convince them that Ukraine's a n*zi country. Being threatened with prison or worse if they don't go and fight. Being crushingly poor and getting offered what sounds like decent money for it.
The lunatic thinks he in year after the USSR disintegrated to form many new nation.hopefully he will be sentence to the ICC to face trial . against humanity
Too many syllables; you spelled "idiot" wrong.
Used to think Russia was the 2nd military in the world; then the 2nd in Ukraine. Now we know Russia's military is the 2nd strongest _in Russia._
Why would you give up your life to a lost cause? Especially if its only to save one man's ego
Because if you don't, you give up your life anyway.
@fnjesusfreak you're missing the fact that that's exactly why they're so quick to surrender. The Ukrainian army has also been showing Russian prisoners more respect and care than their own country's.
@@jljl5449 And the people out there in general.
@fnjesusfreak yea but this video isn't about the people out there in general. Stay on topic.
@@fnjesusfreak But they get to live if they surrender, and probably eat better too. Also, they're not put into battle while wounded like Russia does now.
Ever day putin stays in power Russians needlessly suffer
That's a big difference from the USA- here, we would not take 30 years to send him packing!!- He wouldn't know what hit him!!-
@toodleloo2253 I'm not so sure, just look at the incumbent issues, no matter how bad they are they keep getting reelected
And so do Ukranians.
@toodleloo2253 Still can't get rid of Trump though. Why not try that and your country might have a future.
@@johncrofts4393 That's because we're still following our legal systems. But, it could get QUITE Lively here!!- Note how an Honor Student kid gave his young life to try to assassinate him here & he was a registered Republican voter-!!... Plus, Trump got shut down over & over by Congress & the Supreme Court for all of his 4 years!.. Also, I know the U.S. Military puts the USA first vs. threats both foreign & domestic.
Baically they get better treatment as prsisoners in Uktaine who can blame them
Sure buddy
Any chance we can get you to edit your comment?
I wonder where all the Millions of AK-47s disappeared even before the start of the war ....
Let's not forget the two million Russian Winter Uniforms, all of which were verified in Report after Report, but when somebody went to actually get some of them, they discovered that they had never existed and that the funds to procure and store them had been stolen.
It was somewhat difficult to explain all of the Reports which confirmed that the uniforms were in warehouses.
This was but a single example of corruption within the Russian military command.
Prolly into the hands of American "militias" (read: far-right military larping groups)
Lots of individuals sold them for profit... Just like the majority of Russia's military capacity...
Send his kids or better yet why dont he go to the front himself.
3 years not 3 days 500000 lives give up putin stop waisting lives slava ukraine 🇺🇦🏴🇺🇦🏴
Those new soldiers, will face battle hardened experts in war, they will lose hard without chance..
They are no idiots. That's why so many surrender, or desert.
War destroys young lives. Evil!
Dude, close your window. You're on TV.
At least he's not doing it from the front seat of his car like the guy that probably honked.
And get a proper microphone. Those earphones on a string are not good.
To be precise, he's on radio.
But your point remains valid.😅
Many of these conscripts are children who have no idea what they're getting into, and no idea that their lives aren't valued by their leaders... It's shameful...
Younger russians know better what is right and what is wrong!!
. . . By the law, by the law
What is right and what is wrong, by the law
What is right and what is wrong,
The weak arm and the strong,
The short sword and the long
For to draw, for to draw . . .
The song later adds
"And leave a man undone to his fate!"
Let’s not forget the Russian Revolution in 1917. It was fueled by the disaster which was WW1.
I remember the US military’s expeditions to Archangel and Vladivostok. Recollections of the Czar’s downfall are vague.
Dying for a Billionaire madman..is not worth it
Wish this war would come to an end. Young people dying from both sides. After all the wars from the past we never did learn. The war to end all wars and ww2 ect and the many proxy wars thereafter. How can the governments of many countries not learn?
Hey Ian Garner. Get a real microphone. Close the window. Center yourself on the screen. Listen to your recording. Do it over.
Russia can purchase and use foreign missiles, but then complain and threaten the world if Ukraine do the same.
putin: fight for the motherland and have 10 kids to preserve the culture.
also putin: steals from them and gives them nothing to live for
Putin's offer to the Conscripts: "You may survive."
For a few hours, per some experienced foreign mercenaries!.. They also advise their countrymen to Stay Away because Russia doesn't Pay the promised Contract Bonuses and the conditions are terrible!!-
'You will be a hero, you will get flowers'
I hope they are communicating with their people in Russia and a light is shinning.
"Why won't they fight?"
Because you offer them no real reason, terror doesn't motivate, when there's a scarier group in much closer proximity.
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I’ve been to Russia 🇷🇺 and let me tell you I ye entire place absolutely reeks 😂 I’m not making it up their plumbing 🪠 system is appalling
aus had a decent privvey down the garden
worked all hose years
here in uk in 40-50's same thing
dont see any of that in modern ruzzkie land in the country
They want a better life, no dictatorship. They want freedom
Compare their situation into other areas, Get told to run a marathon while having previously have run 1km at the most. Get told to to drive a 50 tons truck when you dont have a drivers permit and so on. These conscripts by their own descriptions have seen often no and someones only days , at the most weeks of training. That means they have zero competence . This would erode anyones will to do a job they arent fit at all to do. Would they have fought they would have simply been slaughtered. Its like having a boxing fight vs a 10 year old. I can relate to every conscript laying down the weapons and giving up.
Why do world leader have a problem of not understanding why people do not want to die for them? When you become a world leader, are they required to give up their souls and humanity? This applies not just to Russia, but many world leaders throughout history. Including America....(Viet Nam, Iraq and The American Civil War)
Interesting that he didn’t point out the dangers that the *voluntary* soldiers might pose down the road. In the United States, we saw what can happen to former soldiers who feel betrayed in some way *and* are then fed a ton of lies about a stolen election. A large number of the people who stormed the Capitol Building on January 6th had military experience-most in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of those wars was entirely unnecessary and started on false pretenses (Iraq), while the other was initially justified but continued for far longer than necessary for ultimately little gain (Afghanistan). We should have left the area as soon as we got Bin Laden-because that’s what we told the Afghans themselves: “help us find Bin Laden so that we can go home and you can take over here.” But we stayed for 10 years after we got Bin Laden-and for the first 8 years, we didn’t seem to be trying particularly hard to find him.
So many American veterans came home after multiple tours of duty and completely traumatized. Some pushed through it-others turned to drugs, and far too many took their own lives because we didn’t help them recover. Then the survivors were fed a pack of lies by snake-oil salesman and ultimately attacked their own country.
Putin is creating the same situation in Russia…and unless he dies first, it will probably come back to bite him.
Thoughtful.
I agree. We were fed a ton of lies about a stolen election. The biggest lie was that it wasn't stolen.
Often, the conscripted soldier didn't want to join the army, and even risk their lives in a war that they don't approve.
I love the conscripts have a sense of humor about Putin.
"Yeah yeah, we'll go and surrender"
Because Putin is too cowardly to go to the front himself!
are these places starting to want independence from Russia and join Ukraine
I can’t think of a single reason why they would fight.
Lithuanian volunteers fighting with the Russians and not for Ukraine. How embarrassing!
Thankfully such volunteers are rare.
Even his soldiers hate him!
Soldiers don't fight for people who Starve them?
These young men know about VPNs. They know they are not on the right side of history.
Putin; Why do they surrender?
Answer: Haven't you seen yourself in the mirror?😅
Afghanistan will look like a tea-party
They 0:40 don’t want to die seeing their fellow soldiers dying for Putin only
Super....very enlightening 👏
We've read it over and over. After the promises are made by the higher echelons (patriotism, obedience), the thing that motivates soldiers under fire is their bond with their "brothers in arms". Conscripts have not had the time or the experiences to create a bond strong enough have a group identity with their fellow soldiers. Hence, surrender or retreat.
The Empire of Evil was exhausted by the Afghan war 1979---1989.Lost the Cold War. Lost the Moon 🌙 race. At present, this war contra Ukraine , plus the sanctions ---will strangle Moscovia.
'I’m driven by two questions: what drives Russia’s obsession with war, and why have so many Russians in the past and present fallen for militarism?'
What planet is this guy on?🙃
I'm seeing a lot of the TG channels blaming the corruption within the state, which is probably correct, but it doesn't change the fact of what's happened.
I am Russian, live Samara. Many in Russia know the war cannot to be winned. Whether due to corruption, or bad russian army......
@@dpelpalBoth..
But mainly rasputin
@@petervanwyngaard4788 Yes
Corruption has always been a problem in the USSR and Russia. The west simply underestimated how badly it actually affected the military. Russia is now incapable of defending itself from China or NATO.
Corruption has kept troops from being properly led, trained, and equipped. Why die so someone else may get rich?
Those poor young men thrown to the lions and Putin doesn't care one bit about their lives.
Afghanistan - 1
Ukraine - 1
USSR/Russia - 0
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Korea - 1
Vietnam - 1
USA - 0
I'm smelling a pattern here.
Well, in other countries like Israel, South Korea and Finland with a mandatory conscription based military service and reserve, there is no promise of rewards for the service. They are going to do it because it is required by law, and because most of the populace love and respect their country and are happy to do it. The fact the the Russian conscription surrender without a fight tells exactly how much they love their country
They love living. The end.
I have read in a book, western military intelligence read Soviet newspapers and especially military newspapers, during the Afghanistan war , that supposedly the conscripts / ordinary soldiers, fed up with the career NCO and Senior NCO’ s and of course junior officers were being fragged ….
They're Russians and they know what's worth it and what isn't. Amazing on that score.
OH yes the quality of soldiers send IN ukraine seems better then the soldiers, aka conscripts, they have in their own country.
Hapless 18 year olds that have to do a one year stint, probably guarding an area that Russia was never expecting to be attacked. And suddenly Ukraine says "hi"
I understand why those conscripts are like "F this, I am done"
I agree with the sentiments. What we DON’T have is numbers! Are we talking tens, hundreds, tens of thousands?
Hundreds so far, according to other reports.
Don't blame them for a moment
Great speaker. I'll look for his name.
Putin money is finished.
I wish that were so. Unfortunately, Putin has his grubby fingers in the Russian economy.
And don't give your life up for putin
Maybe trumps patriots can go help putin out since his patriots aren't willing to fight.good luck with that.
I am fed up with you recycling the same interview under different titles. Much of this interview was posted by you already, 18 hours earlier under the title "'They're not willing to fight' Putin risks conscript revolt as Kremlin battles families outcry" and I keep hearing that bloody car horn. If you keep recycling interviews and wasting my time I will unsubscribe.
You must be Russian because they're always making empty threats. 😂😂😂
You think tiktokers are going to fight?
Not a single time, the AI translator is capable of writing the name "Kursk" properly, even not when it is pronounced properly.
24Feb 2022..Biden to Zelensky
" Need a ride out"?
Reply: "Give me ammunition !"
Late 2024:
Xi and Kim to Putin..
" Need ammunition?"
Reply :" Give me a ride out !"
The prediction just came out. Harris will win!
Working from home. Should be embarrassed
I wonder how many young British men would stand, fight and die if Kier Starmer forced them to for his goals and values?
the religion of peace have already said in many you tube videos they wont fight for us,they seem to be british when it suits them
your just weird
@@vincentvangogh8092 Don't feed the (cat) bot 😀
The question should be if any of those far-right kiddies would go outside
Has Putin setup thousands of bots to attack the uk system?
Ian, please get a proper microphone. Hard to hear garbled audio
russia does not have a good record in rewarding or protecting their troops ... not in 1812, not in 1917, not in the 1940's, not in the 1980's, not in the 2000's and not now.
What did you expect..realllllly
Thx for insights! Truly fakked up! I wonder what Putin thinks of when he goes to bed.
Yet another rehash
Do the officers surrender also or are they x x x x 'd by the conscripts?
Did you know the rus who surrendered,said there commander has run away.
190 000 troups ready to go mate?
Putin should go to the front line
America had cannon fodder in Vietnam.
Old maps show Kursk as part of Ukraine.
Because they know that they are not a TOY SOLDIER OF A BAD RULER..that's it.
The conscripts consider themselves as above those from the Russian empires states